The Ryan budget plan, Part II: Medicare
In his so-called “Path to Prosperity,” U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan pledges to “preserve America’s social contract with retired workers” by rescuing Medicare from collapse.
“Current retirees deserve the benefits around which they organized their lives,” the plan states. “Future generations deserve health and retirement security they can count on.”
Who's on Medicare? They are, and if you're lucky, you will be too someday. (AP photo)
There’s no question that Medicare is in real trouble. It is already placing enormous pressure on the federal budget, and once the Baby Boom generation begins to retire and claim their benefits, the stress will become untenable. Unfortunately, Ryan proposes to save Medicare by destroying it.
First, some basics. Under Ryan’s plan, Americans 55 and older will be guaranteed standard Medicare benefits. However, those who turn 65 after 2021 will be placed on an entirely different plan. They will in effect be given taxpayer-funded vouchers that they can use to purchase insurance from government-run exchanges, much like the much despised ObamaCare model.
However, those vouchers will not cover the entire cost of health insurance for those retirees. In fact, under the proposed formula, by 2021 those vouchers would probably cover roughly three-fourths of the cost of current Medicare coverage, and that percentage would decline in each succeeding year. Senior citizens would be forced to cover the difference out of their own pockets.
For some retirees, that would be manageable (the plan envisions unspecified higher subsidies for low-income retirees and those with more serious health problems.) But for others it would not, particularly as private and public pension plans falter and proposals are made to slash Social Security.
Ryan argues that the change from a government-managed plan to a voucher plan would actually drive down the cost of health insurance and make it more affordable for retirees. As the plan describes it, “50 million empowered seniors holding providers accountable in a true marketplace” will be more effective than the government in driving down health care and insurance costs.
“Putting patients in charge of how their health care dollars are spent will force providers to compete against each other on price and quality,” the plan argues. “That’s how markets work: The customer is the ultimate guarantor of value.”
There’s an idealism in that claim that is almost charming. The problem is, we have considerable data proving that such belief is nonsense. We know, for example, that since 1970, per capita costs for Medicare coverage have risen more slowly than per capita costs for private medical insurance. Ryan himself acknowledges that fact, complaining that Medicare pays hospitals and doctors less than private insurers while also claiming that “the open-ended, blank-check nature of the Medicare subsidy drives health-care inflation at an astonishing pace.”
When you make an apples-to-apples comparison in what are called common costs — defined as “benefits commonly covered by (both) Medicare and private health insurance” — the price-containment difference is even more stark. Since 1997, the per capita cost for such benefits provided by Medicare has risen at an average annual rate of 4.1 percent, compared to a rise of 6.6 percent among private insurers, a difference of more than 50 percent.
The truth is, individuals in the confusing, frightening and complicated health-care marketplace don’t have the information or analytical skills needed to drive a hard bargain with providers. That’s particularly true of an elderly demographic. If you doubt that, walk into a hospital and try to negotiate a better price for a knee replacement than Aetna or BlueCross has negotiated, using their experts and market power. You can’t do it.
These are not surprises. Nor are they design flaws. The Congressional Budget Office, in an analysis of the Medicare plan requested by Ryan, laid out its impacts in a letter last fall.
“Voucher recipients would probably have to purchase less extensive coverage or pay higher premiums than they would under current law, for two reasons. First, most of the savings for Medicare under the proposal stem from reducing the amounts that the federal government would pay for enrollees on a per capita basis, relative to the projections under current law. Second, future beneficiaries would probably face higher premiums in the private market for a package of benefits similar to that currently provided by Medicare.
For both Medicare and Medicaid, the budgetary effects would become larger over time because federal payments would tend to grow more slowly under the proposal than projected costs per enrollee under current law. Although the level of expected federal spending and the uncertainty surrounding that spending would decline, enrollees’ spending for health care and the uncertainty surrounding that spending would increase.”
Ryan bristles at the description of his approach as a voucher plan, preferring the term “premium support program,” but that’s what it is. But it’s a voucher plan. Through Medicare, this country has made a commitment to its senior citizens that they will not be denied needed medical care because they can’t afford it.
The Ryan approach to Medicare reform abandons that commitment. The best thing that can be said about it — and it’s a contribution not to be belittled — is that this proposal begins a much-needed conversation about how to tackle one of the most serious financial challenges facing us as a society.
That word, by the way, was not chosen lightly. How we treat our senior citizens is an issue for our society, not our government, to solve. It is a challenge to our values, our morals, our ethics and our humanity.
– Jay Bookman
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Midori
April 5th, 2011
9:40 pm
see RW?
I need you around to keep me straight
Soothsayer
April 5th, 2011
9:40 pm
Lil Barry: the Sheriff gonna git you tomorrow. You in a heap o’ trouble. Been nice knowin’ ya!
Thulsa Doom
April 5th, 2011
9:40 pm
Midori,
Did they deny payment for the treatment? Or is it just not covered per your policy till you hit your deductible? There is a big difference. You also have several layers of appeals and recourse if you believe they should have paid.
The earnings that bcbs made last year have nothing to do with it and I’ld be willing to bet that their profit margins are dramatically lower than the average publicly traded company.
getalife
April 5th, 2011
9:40 pm
Josef,
He deserved it .
We know about Andy.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
9:41 pm
I don’t know what you do for a living. I only know what I do for a living. Work. And pay my bills.
AmVet
April 5th, 2011
9:41 pm
And right on Pavlovian command, here comes that 1st 9:39.
Hysterically predictable.
Birds of a feather…
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
9:42 pm
Sooth, go back to your truther fantasies…you’ll probably find them more, uh, gratifying!
Midori
April 5th, 2011
9:42 pm
obviously, there’s an awful lot you don’t know.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
9:42 pm
midori
“I forgot my age”
I may need to get me some of them shots! Wait, I’ll just take the $800 and go down to the corner bar for a few shots to forget!
RW-(the original)
April 5th, 2011
9:43 pm
I need you around to keep me straight
Oh noooo, not the booty calls again
Then again…
Del
April 5th, 2011
9:43 pm
Sooth, I never thought that way…I enlisted in peace time marines and we all went into war time marines, never even thought about hating people who didn’t go and haven’t since.
surgio
April 5th, 2011
9:44 pm
Jesus said is “what you do unto the least of these, you do unto me.” Repubs don’t care about Jesus.
Midori
April 5th, 2011
9:44 pm
RW – You’re a nut!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 5th, 2011
9:44 pm
Sooth…. let’s be honest. Its never been nice to know that particular poster.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
9:44 pm
surgio, keep your religion off the blog, nutjob thumper.
WOW
April 5th, 2011
9:44 pm
“And right on Pavlovian command, here comes that 1st 9:39. ”
You are some piece of work, Vet. I can’t wait to read another one of your rants about how you are pure as snow.
“Birds of a feather…”
Vet, grow up.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
9:45 pm
SoCo
“I’ll still pray that you don’t come down with something that knocks you flat on your ass.”
My prayer cancels your prayer!!
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 5th, 2011
9:45 pm
Already they aren’t taking the medication they need because in some cases they can’t afford it.
Daddy has a prescription that has been costing him $50 every time he re-orders. It’s set up where he orders through the mail, and if he gets it somewhere else, his part of the payment changes and the cost goes up greatly. He’s been taking this same thing for years. Anyhow, a few weeks ago, he got a notice that the prescription, is going to $160. This isn’t the first time something like this has happened either. So he’s got to either find another drug that’ll work, maybe, or just quit taking it.
Soothsayer
April 5th, 2011
9:46 pm
I know it’s not Friday night. And I know this song was never a BIG hit. But I loved it from the minute I first heard it!
Smeat
April 5th, 2011
9:48 pm
Hilarious video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIA5aszzA18
Adam
April 5th, 2011
9:50 pm
Federal government has no business in attempting to administer care for the poor and elderly in our society.
Yes, yes it does.
Faith based care and community care is the best way to assist those less fortunate.
No, no it isn’t.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 5th, 2011
9:53 pm
My prayer cancels your prayer!!
Nuh uhhh….. Remember my new status?? Minority-minority. I go to the front of the line now.
Soothsayer
April 5th, 2011
9:54 pm
I think Lil Barry just likes running over here and throwing a turd in the salad bowl!
surgio
April 5th, 2011
9:55 pm
lil’,
jesus love you, everyone else thinks your a a-hole…
getalife
April 5th, 2011
9:55 pm
HD,
Have you tried Canadian pharmacies?
My drugs have gone up too.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
9:57 pm
Del:
Yep ………… of course with all of the helicopters landing and taking off and mortar prep. fire is not like they didn’t know where we were…………….unless you were out on a sniping mission or recon.
Del
April 5th, 2011
9:57 pm
Adam, please common sense alone proves you wrong. How could a centralized government possibly be more effective in administering assistance at a local level in a country the size of America? They can’t even agree on a budget.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
9:58 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe: So he’s got to either find another drug that’ll work, maybe, or just quit taking it.
———————–
You would allow that to happen? Cruel.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
9:59 pm
“Congress on Tuesday revoked the first significant parts of President Obama’s health care initiative when the Senate voted overwhelmingly to eliminate a burdensome tax paperwork requirement the law imposes on businesses.”
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 5th, 2011
10:00 pm
Well, maybe Jesus wanted us to love everybody, but I’ll make an exception in Barry’s case. Like the Godfather says in that book, “Some people just beg to be killed. ‘Kill me, kill me,’ they say.” Anyhow, we don’t need him anyway. He can join Andy, Grand Forks, LA, and others that can watch but can’t talk.
Have a good night everybody.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 5th, 2011
10:01 pm
HD
That’s completely f’ed up. It’s a shame when people are forced into a decision like that. However, other’s see it as the market at work. Sometimes I think the market needs to jerk off with a #30 sandpaper-lined glove, laced with razor wire, and lubricated with tabasco habenero hot sauce.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:01 pm
SoCo
Yeah, but don’t forget nepotism!
Surgio
I think even Cuddin JC might have a problem with loving LBB
Mark in mid-town
April 5th, 2011
10:02 pm
Jay writes “Unfortunately, Ryan proposes to save Medicare by destroying it.”
That’s kind of harsh. I’d like to think that Ryan’s plan is transform Medicare before it destroys us. And destroy us it will if it’s not converted into the type of program that Ryan is proposing. Is what Ryan is proposing a panacea? No. But it is an intellectually honest attempt to confront the 800 pound gorilla in the room, a gorilla that will soon grow to a few hundred tons if we refuse to confront reality.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:03 pm
SoCo
@ 10:01
Ouch!
Soothsayer
April 5th, 2011
10:03 pm
Scout: that was the onerous 1099 requirement. That required businesses that paid anyone $600 dollars or more for almost any reason to send that person a 1099. They’ve been trying to overturn that requirement for months. It should have never been there in the first place.
For the record, I’m not a big fan of the Healthcare Reform Bill. What many people don’t realize is that 99% of it was written verbatim by Anthem (parent of Blue Cross/Blue Shield). It is essentially a big giveaway to the insurance industry.
AmVet
April 5th, 2011
10:04 pm
surgio, classic!
And perfect…
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:05 pm
Y’all, we may be wrong. It may be LBB’s benefits have run out and he can’t afford his meds…
Del
April 5th, 2011
10:05 pm
josef, SoCo sure can be graphic. Double ouch!
Mr. Snarky
April 5th, 2011
10:06 pm
I’m sure the insurance companies are glad to have LBB around to stick up for them. They’re being victimized by the american people. All those annoying sick people filing claims and eating up their profits.
Actually he’ll probably change his tune once he has kids (assuming he can find a blind/deaf girl) and their kid gets denied coverage due to a prior condition…oh wait, healthcare reform fixed that. Nevermind…
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:06 pm
I think “Cuddin JC” might have a bigger problem with someone who allows a family member to suffer in order to save a measly $160 a month.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 5th, 2011
10:06 pm
Yeah, but don’t forget nepotism!
You would have to pull that card, wouldn’t you?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
10:07 pm
“Islamic hard-liners, some of them heavily suppressed under three decades of Hosni Mubarak’s regime, are enthusiastically diving into Egypt’s new freedoms, forming political parties to enter upcoming elections and raising alarm that they will try to lead the country into fundamentalist rule.
This would be just wonderful.
supertramp
April 5th, 2011
10:08 pm
Take a look at the gop field
the only one I got
Not much of a choice
Never seem to get a lot
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 5th, 2011
10:08 pm
LBB
I’ve flushed better than you, Dude. Nite all.
Del
April 5th, 2011
10:08 pm
0311, If you can smell them, they can smell you. Scent carried and could get you Coors most rickey tic.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:09 pm
I bet none of the GOP candidates would be proposing trillion dollar deficits.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:10 pm
Run away, HD, miserly coward.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 5th, 2011
10:10 pm
Del
I’m pretty reasonable, but can be quite graphic when my feathers are ruffled. Stuff like what HD described really boils my blood. Nobody who’s worked their entire life and been productive in society should be treated like that later in life.
I think “Cuddin JC” might have a bigger problem with someone who allows a family member to suffer in order to save a measly $160 a month.
Like you really give a sh*t. You played your hand earlier with Midori. Don’t try to show some faux concern now. Can’t put the demons back once Pandora’s Box is opened.
Soothsayer
April 5th, 2011
10:10 pm
Well, friends, the old (smokefree) woodstove is, like the sirens on the shore, calling my name. I’m hoping this is the last time this season I have to fire it up. I wish everyone a good night.
“Call on me in your time of need and you will know that I am your God.”
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
10:11 pm
THIS IS GREAT !
“MIAMI — The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida has a message for women who want complete control over their reproductive health: Incorporate your uterus.
To help women who want to do this, the organization launched the website http://www.IncorporateMyUterus.com on Tuesday, which will issue a declaration of incorporation for women who would like one.
Head of ACLU of Florida Howard Simon says “The Florida Legislature – and extreme social conservatives across the country – are taking rules and regulation off of businesses and adding them to uteruses.”
Simon says that telling lawmakers that your body is a business “is really the best way to get them to leave it alone.”
O.K. YOU 18 YEAR OLD MEN OUT THERE !
Incorporate your body and don’t register for the draft. It’s YOUR body and no one has the right to take you away from loved ones for two years and send to someplace where other men will try to kill you.
Mr. Right
April 5th, 2011
10:12 pm
Wow !! There are some stupid people on here!!
AmVet
April 5th, 2011
10:13 pm
I’m with Hillbilly, the stench here is just too much tonight.
I’m out…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
10:13 pm
Del:
The pop flares over our positions most of the night didn’t help either. We didn’t have night vision equipment except a starlight scope or two from the snipers.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:13 pm
SoCo, I’ve been playing the same hand all night. People should pay their bills rather than using the power of government to force their neighbors to do it for them. I’m shocked that someone would tell Daddy that they were just going to have to suffer cuz Junior won’t pony up the measly $160 a month for his meds. Shameful, and a sad reflection on the degraded state of our country thanks to the Democrat entitelement mentality.
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:13 pm
lil bar will get sick one day.
Everybody does.
I think lil bar’s anger problem will make him sick soon.
Bad karma for lil bar.
Doggone/GA
April 5th, 2011
10:13 pm
“Every time I see that doctor I have panic attacks”
I’m coming to this late, Midori – I too will pray for your improvement to continue. As for you panic attacks, this won’t cure them…but it will help. When you begin to feel stressed, let your arms hang straight down, as relaxed as you can manage and spread your fingers as far apart as you can without straining. You will feel the tension flow down your arms and out your fingers.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:16 pm
LBB
If Surgio was as you put it “a nutjob thumper” he’d be upside yo pointy l’il haid ’bout now!
And Cuddin JC cares a lot more about that person and the “measly” $160 than he does yore tacky, nellie lil ass…
SoCo
Hey, you take what you’re dealt and play it!
Del
Don’t he just!
Adam
April 5th, 2011
10:17 pm
To equate our current nonsense with the budget to the overall ability of government to administer health care is a failure in logic. Also known as a logical fallacy. The two cannot be directly correlated. I wish logic was more common than your “common sense”
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 5th, 2011
10:18 pm
LBB
I’ve been trying to avoid even addressing you because of the fu*ked up sh*t you say. You don’t know jack sh*t about Hillbilly’s nor his father’s situation. As you said earlier, all you know is that you work and pay your bills. Maybe you should focus on that and stay the hell out of everyone else’s bills. If you’re not contributing money to them, why in the fu*k do you care anyway? How do you know what HD is or is not going to do with his father’s medicine? You truly are a piece of work. I’ll pray twice as hard that you receive some personal salvation and you don’t have to endure anything like that. I honestly think you’d be one of those people who’d jump out of the Peachtree Westin if you lost all you had worked for.
Bless your soul, or whatever semblance of a soul that you possess.
G’nite all………….
Adam
April 5th, 2011
10:18 pm
It would also be a logical fallacy to assert government can’t administer health care properly THEREFORE faith based initiatives can. Just fyi.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:18 pm
Too bad HD doesn’t care. He’d apparently rather spend the $160 on himself.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 5th, 2011
10:19 pm
josef
I’ll find me a trump card that will best yours before too long…..
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
10:20 pm
Hawaii senator wonders what Obama’s concealing
‘Why would anyone spend millions not to make that information public?’
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Posted: April 05, 2011
8:33 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
State Sen. Sam Slom
“The lone Republican in the Hawaii State Senate was interviewed on the radio this morning, explaining that while he believes Barack Obama was born in the Aloha State, he questions what might be on the original, long-form birth certificate that would prompt the president to go to such lengths to conceal it.
“I’m not a ‘birther,’” Hawaii State Sen. Sam Slom told Jeff Katz of WXKS Radio in Boston, “and I followed this from the very beginning. At first I followed it with amusement, and then I got really concerned about it, because the question was if it was not just the birth certificate, but other records as well – school records, academic records, work records – why would anyone spend millions of dollars in legal fees, particularly someone in public office, particularly someone in the highest public office, to not make that information public?”
As WND has reported, besides Obama’s actual birth documentation, the president has refused to release his Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records.”
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:21 pm
Reminds me of the maggots who hire lawyers and accountants to transfer their sickly parents assets so they parents will qualify for taxpayer support for long term care, etc, just so the greedy SOBs can preserve their inheritance.
Del
April 5th, 2011
10:22 pm
I’m not really sure I dig what you’re putting down. Are you really telling me that I wasn’t sincere when I wished Midori well?
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:22 pm
LBB
You better be glad Hillbilly is a good Christian gentleman…I know you’re stupid as 16 trashcans, but a lot of Hillbillies I know would be tracking you down…
Yippee
April 5th, 2011
10:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIA5aszzA18
Del
April 5th, 2011
10:22 pm
My last was a question to SoCo.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:23 pm
blah blah. Empty, third-party threats, jonix.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 5th, 2011
10:24 pm
TROUBLE IN PARADISE:
STATES OF REBELLION
How legislators and governors nationwide are challenging a rogue president
——————————————————————————–
Posted: April 05, 2011
6:17 pm Eastern
“While millions of outraged Americans protest what they see as a lawless and power-mad Obama administration, many wonder how much clout individuals can really have in reining in a wildly out-of-control government.
But suppose, in addition to citizens with little power beyond their vote, those standing up to the federal government were named Virginia, Texas, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Tennessee, Montana, Maine, South Dakota – and many more?
Incredibly, though under-reported by the establishment press, that’s exactly what is happening right now, as the April issue of Whistleblower documents in-depth, in “STATES OF REBELLION: How legislators and governors nationwide are openly challenging a rogue president.”
jms
April 5th, 2011
10:28 pm
Our out of control spending has to be curtailed. Paul Ryan is just the messenger that the party is over and it’s time to clean up. ABC news reported that even if Ryan’s $5 trillion in cuts over the next ten years are enacted, we won’t see a balanced budget for 30 years.
WOW
April 5th, 2011
10:29 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317
Obamacare will be overturned. It’s already happening and will continue. Left wingers can cry about it but it won’t change the fact that it’s gonna die a slow painful death.
Doggone/GA
April 5th, 2011
10:30 pm
“even if Ryan’s $5 trillion in cuts over the next ten years are enacted, we won’t see a balanced budget for 30 years”
that’s exactly right…because unless you make truly DRASTIC cuts in our biggest expense – the DOD – you cannot even come close to paying down the debt by cuts alone. Can’t be done.
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:31 pm
lil bar,
HD is good people.
I bet you don’t work or health insurance do you?.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:32 pm
LBB
No threats involved…I’m just enjoying my last few exchanges with you. You’ll be gone to well deserved oblivion by this time tomorrow…
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:33 pm
In English, please.
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:34 pm
Josef,
I think he is on welfare and bitter about it.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:34 pm
getalife
“HD is good people”
Yep. The only person on here who has universal respect and admiration.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:35 pm
HD lets his Daddy suffer. Good people?
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:36 pm
lil bar,
Where do you work?
Del
April 5th, 2011
10:36 pm
One of the few things most agree with on here is that H.D. is good people.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:37 pm
Georgia, Texas, Norway, Malaysia, Brazil, India. Why?
Left wing management
April 5th, 2011
10:37 pm
LBB: “If you have a problem with Ryan’s plan to pare back spending on entitlements, you just might be a maggot. … I’ve been playing the same hand all night. People should pay their bills rather than using the power of government to force their neighbors to do it for them.”
Oh you don’t know the half of it. As I said a few hours ago, it’s not enough for me that I make sure that I am paying taxes so that public services are available for people who need them. I’m coming for YOUR money too. I want YOU paying for those things too.
You see, Lil Barry, that’s one of the strokes of genius about this system. Every little bit put in by every one helps, even when you’re just a maggot. All the little maggots doing their little maggot part, making the maggot colony grow more prosperous. Probably makes you feel right at home, don’t it LBB?
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:37 pm
You don’t have a job do you lil bar and taking it out on good people.
TGT
April 5th, 2011
10:38 pm
How we treat our senior citizens is an issue for our society, not our government, to solve. It is a challenge to our values, our morals, our ethics and our humanity.
Ah yes, another liberal with moving sentimentalities concerning the weaker among us. And we’re supposed to take serious such sentiments from those who have aided and abetted in the deaths of tens of millions of the weakest and most innocent in our midst.
RW-(the original)
April 5th, 2011
10:39 pm
Del,
I think SoCo headed out, but in the comment you’re referencing I think you’re misreading his post. The first part is written to you then there is some quoted text in italics. The bottom of his comment is addressing the commenter he quoted and italicized.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:40 pm
See, that’s the scary part, LWM. Little maggots banding together and voting themselves a living paid for by the productive. Think that’s sustainable?
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:41 pm
getalife
I think he shares the basement with Andy at Andy’s mama’s place…bless her heart…
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:41 pm
Come on lil bar.
It is obvious you are on this blog all the time and you don’t have a job.
Times are tough but you don’t have to take it out on good people like HD and Midori.
Lets talk about it.
You seem desperate.
Do you need some help?.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:44 pm
I need some help with yardwork. Your competition will be the day laborers waiting on the corner.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:44 pm
LBB
Let’s see now. Maggots live in sh*t. You’re the productive paying for it. Okay. Sounds logical to me.
Del
April 5th, 2011
10:44 pm
RW, thank you for clarifying his post. I seldom get angry on this blog but I’m glad I misunderstood.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:46 pm
Strained, jonix.
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:46 pm
lil bar,
If you can’t do yardwork then you must be sick and those bills hurt you .
It is okay. You can admit it.
Ask for help man.
Good people will help you.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:49 pm
LBB
Twasn’t I who came up with it…just following your own stream of semi-consciousness….
Doggone/GA
April 5th, 2011
10:49 pm
“Let’s see now. Maggots live in sh*t.”
Personally, I think you’re being harsh on some useful creatures, however disgusting we might find them. At least they DO do something useful.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 5th, 2011
10:50 pm
getalife: Good people will help you.
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That’s right, good people will help. Maggots and sloths will lobby their Democrat leaders to pass a law confiscating the property of others to buy votes by “helping”.
josef nix
April 5th, 2011
10:51 pm
getalife
“Good people will help you.”
I guess I’m just not a good person…
getalife
April 5th, 2011
10:52 pm
Yeah, you are very bitter and have major problems.
I will pray for you .
RW-(the original)
April 5th, 2011
10:52 pm
You’re welcome Del. It was an easy mistake to make since he didn’t address the person at the bottom, but once you track back the quote it makes more sense.