In hard-fought Wisconsin judicial race, a bad omen

As a political junkie, I confess to being very interested in the outcome of tomorrow’s state Supreme Court election in Wisconsin between conservative incumbent David Prosser and liberal challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg.

The race has become an unlikely proxy for the larger political disputes rocking Wisconsin and the rest of the country. Because they took public financing, the two candidates can spend no more than $400,000 each on their campaigns, but outside groups and special interests are dumping so much money into the increasingly bitter race that total spending is expected to top $5 million, according to Politico.

For example, a group calling itself “Citizens for a Strong America” is claiming in a TV ad that “”Kloppenburg is so extreme, she even put an 80-year-old farmer in jail for refusing to plant native vegetation on his farm.” But when the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s Politifact team went looking for the group, allegedly based in Beaver Dam, Wisc., it found no trace of it.

“…. there are no Beaver Dam phone numbers listed for Citizens for a Strong America,” Politifact found, “or for Veronica Johnson, a person identified as having placed the TV ad.” (It also found the ad in question “ridiculously false.”)

But politics aside, as a citizen I have serious concerns about turning judicial races into highly partisan campaigns into which special interests dump a lot of money. Wisconsin isn’t alone in that trend; it’s a national phenomenon, and has played a role in several judicial races here in Georgia as well.

The judiciary is not the legislative or executive branch, where partisan politics are an accepted part of the process. The justice system works because everybody who walks into a courtroom is supposed to have a fair and equal shot. In contrast, a system in which we elect judges because they are perceived to be biased in a particular direction undercuts justice and the perception of justice. It also can’t help but create a situation in which judges themselves feel pressured to help those who helped them, and to punish those who worked against them. The more high-stakes the confrontation, the more probable such sentiments become.

Such influences have always existed to a degree. The question is whether, through laws and standards of public behavior, you attempt to minimize those non-judicial influences or you give them free rein. Increasingly, we are taking the latter course, and we’re all the losers in that one.

– Jay Bookman

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Kamchak

April 4th, 2011
1:04 pm

In contrast, a system in which we elect judges because they are perceived to be biased in a particular direction undercuts justice and the perception of justice.

As does having them appointed by elected executives like governors.

Hard to take electoral politics out of it.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:09 pm

No end in sight for this kinda stuff.

Jefferson

April 4th, 2011
1:14 pm

The GOP will use every dirty trick in the book to fool its flock.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:15 pm

Someone paid for the airtime on the commercial. Can’t they follow the money back to the source? But maybe they paid in cash but still someone would have to hand it over.

We have video cameras everywhere. You can’t swing a dead cat without it getting caught on tape somewhere. Someone’s got pictures of this evil republican donor.

Fly-On-The-Wall

April 4th, 2011
1:16 pm

It will be a truly sad day if all of the judges are for one persuation or the other. I’m sure some of the conservatives feel as though most if not all judges are liberal, activist judges but we all know that isn’t the case. How would this country look if all judges were of one political persuation? I shudder to think of that.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 4th, 2011
1:19 pm

Well, anybody that thinks judges ain’t political is a idiot. They figure out the law according to their political beliefs. Then they put a nice covering on it. That’s why I think all judges should be Republicans. Might as well have them on our side instead of the librul side. Why do you think librul judges think Obamacare is Constitutional and conservative judges think it’s unConstitutional? It’s all politics. Why do you think FDR wanted to pack the Supreme Court with Democrat judges? Why do you think Republicans in the Senate raise a ruckus if a Democrat President nominates a judge? It’s all politics. Anybody that thinks a judge is impartial is living in la-la land. At least we elect them here in GA, unless the guvner gets around to appointing them first. We don’t even pretend they’re not politicans. I guess the next thing we’ll see is Bookman looking for the Easter Bunny.

Fly-On-The-Wall

April 4th, 2011
1:19 pm

I wish someone followed these types of things well enough to keep a count and tell us which side lies the most. I know both sides do but which side seems to this more, does one side make their lies bigger and more outlandish than the other? It would be interesting to see that info – hey Jay, here’s a chance for another chart!

Fly-On-The-Wall

April 4th, 2011
1:21 pm

Redneck – I nearly ran over the Easter Bunny this morning on the way into the office. He dropped all of the eggs.

Joe

April 4th, 2011
1:24 pm

Jay is right, but I don’t like the “both sides do it” implication. The right has made it their mission to elect or appoint judges that favor specific outcomes, and the left has no choice but to defend the judiciary by pointing this out (look at Prosser’s statements about his positions).

To Jay’s point though, judges should not be elected. Other countries apply objective approaches to determining who is eligible for the bench unrelated to who has the most money to spend. We need to follow their lead.

On a bigger point, whichever justices decided that, under the law, money equals speech—such that those with the most money have the most speech in our political system—are idiots.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 4th, 2011
1:27 pm

I nearly ran over the Easter Bunny this morning on the way into the office. He dropped all of the eggs.

Oh no! You mean I’m going to have to tell little _____ Zell George he won’t be getting a Easter basket this month?

carlosgvv

April 4th, 2011
1:27 pm

Jay, I agree totally with you on this one. NO judges in the US should be elected, especially in today’s money obsessed political climate. It is bad enough we have the best Congress money can buy. If we wind up with the best Judges money can buy, America will sink even lower.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:29 pm

which side lies the most. Republicans

Ok, that question is resolved. Next?

WOW

April 4th, 2011
1:31 pm

“NO judges in the US should be elected’

So how are you proposing they get put on the bench?

“which side lies the most. Republicans”

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

misty fyed

April 4th, 2011
1:32 pm

Having politics in the judiciary is a shame but thinking that an appointed judge doesn’t play politics looking for a better appointment is just naive. At lease with elected judges, they can easily be removed in a recall or new election. The removal process of appointed judges is far too cumbersome.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:33 pm

The only alrernative to electing the judges is having them appointed. And that gets us into the “old boy network”

if anything, they should not be affiliated with a party. They don’t get on the ballot with a (R) or a (D) after their name, do they?

Mary Elizabeth

April 4th, 2011
1:33 pm

“The question is whether, through laws and standards of public behavior, you attempt to minimize those non-judicial influences. . .”
———————————————————————–
“Standards of public behavior” should be more explored, and perhaps through laws.

Supreme Court Justice David Souter was a model of keeping himself relatively free of social/political interests which might have influenced his judicial decisions. Indeed, even though President George H.W. Bush appointed Souter, Souter ended up leaning more Left than Right, through following his own conscience and judicial instincts.

Other Supreme Court Justices, such as Scalia and Thomas, on the other hand, have had strong social ties with conservative interests while on the bench. Even Justice O’Conner’s husband, when she was on the bench, went on hunting retreats with Dick Cheney, I believe.

Souter, a loner, had the right idea regarding remaining free socially of heavy-handed partisan connections so that he had judicial independence. More judges should emulate his life choice.

DebbieDoRight

April 4th, 2011
1:34 pm

Jay: But politics aside, as a citizen I have serious concerns about turning judicial races into highly partisan campaigns into which special interests dump a lot of money. Wisconsin isn’t alone in that trend; it’s a national phenomenon, and has played a role in several judicial races here in Georgia as well………………………..In contrast, a system in which we elect judges because they are perceived to be biased in a particular direction undercuts justice and the perception of justice

Since you mentioned georgia in your post, The crazy conserv (Bobb Barr) mentioned something similiar (about Georgia’s Atty Gen.); in his blog today, however, i pointed out to him that in Georgia, before any republican could get matching funds from the repub party they had to sign a purity pledge / Loyalty Pledge. I’m betting every Georgia repub that ran for a judicial bench signed one — there goes that unbiased, justice is blind thingy………right out the window.

Paul

April 4th, 2011
1:37 pm

“The judiciary is not the legislative or executive branch, where partisan politics are an accepted part of the process.”

It’s getting more and more difficult to tell. I don’t care for electing judges and I see the difficulty with political appointments at the state level. Heck, if a judge is qualified for service on their highest court, why not make it a lottery? “You’re all qualified to serve, Judge X, your name got pulled. Want the job? If not, we’ll draw again.”

DebbieDoRight

April 4th, 2011
1:37 pm

Oh no! You mean I’m going to have to tell little _____ Zell George he won’t be getting a Easter basket this month?

Isn’t it Sonny Zell? What happened, forgot his name, or did he decide to change it to something more appropriate, like Dubya? :)

jm

April 4th, 2011
1:37 pm

Liberals politicized this trying to use simple open meeting laws to overturn a new law through the courts.

Liberals are the undoing of America. But not forever. When you bit the hand that feeds you, eventually you starve to death. After liberals have destroyed this country, the masses will wake up and the reset button will be pressed.

scrappy

April 4th, 2011
1:38 pm

“they had to sign a purity pledge / Loyalty Pledge”

Well, what do you expect? The GA GOP can’t just go around and let people think for themselves!

stands for decibels

April 4th, 2011
1:38 pm

That politifact account of what was alleged in the attack ad, and what actually transpired with this 80-year-old-farmer, is truly stomach-turning.

misty fyed

April 4th, 2011
1:38 pm

I don’t want justices to follow their conscience or use judicial instinct. I want them to determine the constitutionality of a theory. If the constitution does not directly address it, I want them to send it to congress where congress if forced to address new constitutional amendments for new areas of concern. I don’t want some judge using his “conscience” to decide what he wants the constitution to say.

jm

April 4th, 2011
1:38 pm

Liberals and unions in Wisconsin are hyper-politicizing every office. Shame on them.

stands for decibels

April 4th, 2011
1:40 pm

Liberals are the undoing of America. But not forever.

Oh no, it’s forever, jm. You’d best move to some other country, as you’ve been threatening to do the past coupla weeks, real quick-like.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:40 pm

“they had to sign a purity pledge / Loyalty Pledge”

is that like a chastity pledge?

Such silly, silly people

Moderate Line

April 4th, 2011
1:40 pm

But politics aside, as a citizen I have serious concerns about turning judicial races into highly partisan campaigns into which special interests dump a lot of money. Wisconsin isn’t alone in that trend; it’s a national phenomenon, and has played a role in several judicial races here in Georgia as well.
The nomination of judges became political along time ago. The justices in the Supreme Court are voting pretty much along party lines and they are appointed. Politicians are nominating judges which they thing will vote like them.

Jay I believe you fear democracy.

jm

April 4th, 2011
1:40 pm

JAY HOW ABOUT THIS AD AGAINST PROSSER?

David Prosser refused to prosecute a priest who had been accused of sexually assaulting children. Instead, Prosser and the bishop made a deal to avoid a scandal and sent the priest to a different community. The pedophile priest’s assaults continued. We need to tell Justice Prosser to protect our children, not sex offenders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWif64wiTjY

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 4th, 2011
1:42 pm

Isn’t it Sonny Zell? What happened, forgot his name, or did he decide to change it to something more appropriate, like Dubya?

Well, that lazy, do-nothing ex-guvner shamed us all and I won’t have my grandkid going around with that name. I’m saving up to get a judge to change the boy’s first name. Until I got the money, he’ll just go without one. But the name seemed like a good idea at the time.

jm

April 4th, 2011
1:42 pm

SFD – workin on it buddo

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:43 pm

Enter your comments hereLiberals and unions in Wisconsin are hyper-politicizing every office.

In other words: Damn, that cat is out of the bag. Just when we thought we pulled a smooth one on those pesky liberals.

Mary Elizabeth

April 4th, 2011
1:43 pm

Misty fyed @ 1:38

Obviously, Souter, or any Justice, must interpret the Constitution, as he or she correctly sees it interpreted.

Libertarian

April 4th, 2011
1:44 pm

@ Joe

You are kidding yourself if you don’t believe that “boths sides do it.” Reagan appointed Kennedy to the SCOTUS and he is usually the swing vote.

WOW

April 4th, 2011
1:44 pm

Jay, what about the ads Shirley Franklin aired about how the GOP wants to enslave blacks? I don’t remember ever reading anything from you about that one.

Jay

April 4th, 2011
1:45 pm

jm, if the ad is paid for by outside special interests, which seems likely, it’s a problem in that regard.

As to the ad’s contents, I don’t know … is it accurate? What are the facts?

WOW

April 4th, 2011
1:46 pm

“Reagan appointed Kennedy to the SCOTUS and he is usually the swing vote.”

He also appointed Sandra Day O’Connor.

getalife

April 4th, 2011
1:46 pm

Attacking American jobs and wages using tyranny is a huge gift from the gop to to dems.

The sc con activist decision corrupted our elections.

Here are some of the President’s accomplishments:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Things-Obama-has-done/457458970505

stands for decibels

April 4th, 2011
1:46 pm

Tommy Maddox

April 4th, 2011
1:47 pm

Judge elections in GA are non-partisan. Unless you personally know the candidate or his/her outlook on life and the Law, you really won’t know what you’ll get until you get it – kind of like Obamacare.

buck@gon

April 4th, 2011
1:48 pm

‘”Kloppenburg is so extreme, she even put an 80-year-old farmer in jail for refusing to plant native vegetation …..when the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s Politifact team went looking for the group,… it found no trace of it.’

Found no trace of what, Jay? Native vegetation? Sounds like a damn fine reason for modern liberals to lock up someone, unless this is just your typical unclear prose that means something else no one can quite guess.

Let’s not beat around the bush here. This fight is upping the ante for politics BECAUSE liberals got their rear ends handed to them in Wisconsin and around the country, and BECAUSE liberals began employing dirty-pool tactics to try and ensure that the the election that happened in 2010 didn’t really happen in the way that everyone knows it did. Also, liberals are upping the ante for class warfare too, to claim that there really is no money shortage except for those who are “unfortunate” enough not to have already stolen it from someone else. Overpaid goonion guys are suddenly the latest trumped-up victim, and union management, in danger of losing its not-so-secret hole in the cookie jar just won’t have it go away–at least not without a fight worthy of the most violent mafioso dons anywhere.

So for liberals, there is no spending crisis, no debt crisis, no unemployment issue, and nothing at all wrong with the country but conservatives who are “allowing” the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. You see, without that final mythology, liberals have nothing, no social or domestic policy that can be legitimately argued, standing on its own two feet.

So, for liberals it’s just business as usual–except for the 2010 ass-kicking in the polls and many more to come.

Jay, I wonder how long you liberals can keep up with this before the American people collectively shout at you: ENOUGH!

Paul

April 4th, 2011
1:48 pm

off topic

AG Holder news conference in a few minutes. It’ll be interesting to hear his reasons on why it’s now in the interests of justice to try the 9-11 conspirators before military tribunals.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 4th, 2011
1:48 pm

Reagan appointed Kennedy to the SCOTUS and he is usually the swing vote.

And that’s why I end my prayer before I go to bed this way: And Lord, if it’s not too much trouble, take that RINO to Your bosom right now, but make sure Obama will never, ever get one of his nominees through to replace him.

It’s better not to have any judge at all than to have one that will be a Turncoat and vote librul.

stands for decibels

April 4th, 2011
1:50 pm

Found no trace of what, Jay? Native vegetation? Sounds like a damn fine reason for modern liberals to lock up someone

That’s right, bucky. Wear your willful ignorance with pride! If some mystery-meat-funded smear group asserts something is true, you pick up that ball and you run with it!

there’s a good lad.

Moderate Line

April 4th, 2011
1:51 pm

Joe

April 4th, 2011
1:24 pm
Jay is right, but I don’t like the “both sides do it” implication. The right has made it their mission to elect or appoint judges that favor specific outcomes, and the left has no choice but to defend the judiciary by pointing this out (look at Prosser’s statements about his positions).
+++
How many judges appointed by liberals turned out to be conservative and vice versa?

WOW

April 4th, 2011
1:52 pm

This should piss off the Daily Kook left wingers.

KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to make announcement today

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20050405-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:53 pm

Enter your comments hereThis is what is telling and what makes this even worse than they claim:

By using information that only became known later, it suggests more information was available to Prosser at the time than really was. For instance, Prosser didn’t know that the priest had a long history of molestation — that came out 24 years later.

If Prosser HAD investigated the case originally, he wouldn’t have had 24 more years of freedom to molest little boys.

Kamchak

April 4th, 2011
1:53 pm

politifact rates it Barely True.

Politifact is a super-duper ultra-liberal website, and therefore cannot be trusted.

Paul

April 4th, 2011
1:54 pm

Joe

“The right has made it their mission to elect or appoint judges that favor specific outcomes, and the left has no choice but to defend the judiciary by pointing this out ”

Look at the last judicial nominees from Pres Bush. Democrats’ repeated question all seemed to be on the single issue of abortion. Seems they were looking for specific outcomes in any future cases.

jm

April 4th, 2011
1:55 pm

Jay 1:45 – the allegations may be supported by the facts, I have no idea. But the marketing blitz is on both sides. And clearly this has gotten out of control. I have no idea if either of these people are qualified to be judges. Maybe elections aren’t the best way to choose judges….

Paul

April 4th, 2011
1:55 pm

Kamchak

So, does that mean someone using another website will find the ad about Prosser substantiated? Doubtful, as politifact, along with other such websites, provides a source upon which their conclusions are based.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
1:56 pm

BECAUSE liberals got their rear ends handed to them in Wisconsin and around the country

Yeah, those conservatives WON BIG! So big, they now control 1/2 of 1/3rd of the legislative body!

Whoooeeeee! Repubs be rockin da house! Well, 1/6th of it anyway!

carlosgvv

April 4th, 2011
1:56 pm

WOW

They should be appointed in the same way the US Supreme Court is appointed. The whold idea is for them to not be owned by Big Business. And by the way, you sound a lot like LA.

WOW

April 4th, 2011
1:58 pm

“They should be appointed in the same way the US Supreme Court is appointed.”

By the president?

“The whold idea is for them to not be owned by Big Business.”

I was unaware that the SCJ’s were owned by big business.

“And by the way, you sound a lot like LA.”

Ya think?

Deep Throat

April 4th, 2011
1:59 pm

ACORN !!!!!!!

Moderate Line

April 4th, 2011
2:00 pm

If you believe appointing judges will rid the process of politics you are kidding yourself. I am not in favor of electing judges because I believe we have to many elected officials as it is but the Supreme Court is highly political. The fewer elections the more focus on those running for office.

At the end of the day the people who are being elected are the ones appointing these officials if they are elected so either directly or indirectly these officials will be subject to the political process.

The more and more I hear this anti-demcractic rhetoric from the left the more disappointed I am. The left gains the most by democracy Just think in Mississippi if democracy had worked when the majority were black in the state. The reason the whites in Mississippi didn’t like democracy is because it didn’t produce the result they wanted.

Jay

April 4th, 2011
2:03 pm

Yes, Moderate, and the fact that federal judges were appointed rather than elected gave them the ability to rule in favor of black Americans during the civil rights era, a reality that played a major role in ending segregation and Jim Crow.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
2:05 pm

Listen to the people calling Politifact biased. Are these the same people who think Fox is fair and balanced?

…and probably also think NPR is biased.

Jimmy62

April 4th, 2011
2:05 pm

The left made this judicial election about politics and partisanship, as they see it as a chance to override the voting last November. If there’s one thing Democrats are consistent about, it’s overriding democracy when they disagree with the choice made by voters. Fits right in with what their fellows in Europe do, make people vote again and again on the same issue till the bureaucrats get the answer they want.

Kamchak

April 4th, 2011
2:07 pm

So, does that mean someone using another website will find the ad about Prosser substantiated?

Merely repeating what has been asserted here numerous times.

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:08 pm

Jay, you keeping the laser like focus on Wisconsin is not helping people govern this country. I understand and appreciate the light that the media can shed own those wrongs that occur in the world. The reform going on in Wisconsin is not one of them.

Most of the governors in this country have a genuine and abiding respect for making their states competitive and attractive to jobs and are models of good governance when compared to DC. (Sacramento on the Potomac being the biggest exception possibly, but I digress).

What governors and legislatures seem to need right now, is less media attention, not more, in order for them to craft and enact policies that make sense. The GA state tax reform being one example. GSU research (and you highlighting it) that may or may not be entirely accurate is of no use in actually crafting good legitimate legislation.

The 24-7 hyperpolitical media has become a part of the problem, not part of the solution. And that includes you, Jay. Responsible journalism, such as it ever existed, isn’t even a shadow of its former self.

DebbieDoRight

April 4th, 2011
2:10 pm

is that like a chastity pledge?

LOL! If any grown man in america, (over the age of 21 at least), signs a “purity pledge”, he’d be labeled, pick one: (gay, a hermaphrodite, a nancy boy, stupid). That could be the cons new slogan: We’re Right. We’re Christian. We’re Pure. The Last American Virgins Of Poltics!

Moderate Line

April 4th, 2011
2:11 pm

Jay

April 4th, 2011
2:03 pm
Yes, Moderate, and the fact that federal judges were appointed rather than elected gave them the ability to rule in favor of black Americans during the civil rights era, a reality that played a major role in ending segregation and Jim Crow.
+++
If you had democracy in Mississippi you would not have had Jim Crow because the state was majorty black up until the early part of the 20th century. Also, the independent court supported Jim Crow for a long time.

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
2:13 pm

Jay, I think jm doesn’t like you media-types shedding light on the underhanded dealings of Republican operatives.

I guess the only real news is the good news on FOX!

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:13 pm

“In hard-fought Wisconsin judicial race, a bad omen”

No, a bad omen was Omen 2 and 3. Omen part one was a good movie.

DebbieDoRight

April 4th, 2011
2:14 pm

The left made this judicial election about politics and partisanship, as they see it as a chance to override the voting last November. If there’s one thing Democrats are consistent about, it’s overriding democracy when they disagree with the choice made by voters.

People really shouldn’t drink their lunch…………

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 4th, 2011
2:15 pm

Jay:

This is nothing but the “chicken and the egg” routine.

Which came first?

Politcal elections to elect politcally correct judges?

Political rulings which cause future political elections?

I submit the later …………. including the U.S. Surpeme Court ……… the most political court probably in the world.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 4th, 2011
2:15 pm

Excuse me: “latter”

godless heathen

April 4th, 2011
2:15 pm

“So how are you proposing they get put on the bench?”

Cage Match.

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:16 pm

“People really shouldn’t drink their lunch…………”

Why not?

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
2:18 pm

Cage Match.

I bet she would whip that dude’s beehind.

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:18 pm

Finn – FOX is blatantly biased. Doesn’t excuse the behavior.

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:19 pm

“FOX is blatantly biased. ”

So is CNN, CBS, PBS, NBC, MSNBC, NY Times, WA Post, HuffPost etc…

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:20 pm

Jefferson

April 4th, 2011
1:14 pm

“The GOP will use every dirty trick in the book to fool its flock.”

Liberals are so funny.

TBone

April 4th, 2011
2:21 pm

Prosser went off on our CHIEF JUSTICE when she wouldn’t vote how he wanted her to. He called her a, “complete bitch” and threatened to “destroy her”. Then when he was asked why he did it Prosser basically said bitch had it coming, she was asking for it. Thats the exact kind of stuff you expect from a wife beater or child abuser. Kloppenburg isn’t the democratic candidate she has been painted as. Its just when you compare her to Prosser, an extreme right wing whack job, that she seems to be left leaning. We hope to clown stomp this hack out of office.

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:22 pm

scrappy

April 4th, 2011
1:38 pm

“Well, what do you expect? The GA GOP can’t just go around and let people think for themselves!”

Well, the GA GOP is in favor of letting people decide for themselves where to send their kids to school, decide for themselves how best to save for retirement, decide for themselves how to spend their monry that they earned, etc, etc…

Liberals are so funny……………….

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:23 pm

QUESTION FOR SCRAPPY

If liberals are so awesome at thinking for themselves, how come they are willing to let Government do all their thinking for them?

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:25 pm

Harry Callahan

If liberals are so smart, why do they need rich conservatives money to live off of and fund their “causes?”

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:25 pm

WOW 2:19 – pretty much agree….

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:25 pm

WOW,

Because they’re scared of personal responsibility?

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:27 pm

I love it when liberals accuse conservative os being told what to think…as they are regurgitating all the same old trite liberal talking points…

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
2:27 pm

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:28 pm

Jay, how much money do public employee unions dump into elections, and is that or is it not a bad omen?

Jay

April 4th, 2011
2:29 pm

Derrick, one more time. Halt the unnecessary name-calling.

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:30 pm

Finn McCool

April 4th, 2011
2:27 pm

“good news for Conservatives! MCdonald’s is hiring!”

You’re right, that is good news! I’m sick and tired of paying unemployment benefits to all those Democrat constituents!

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:32 pm

Jay, you may want to take a look downstairs.

From Derrick:

“You should be banned just for being an idiot.”

“Both, WOW & GW are useless idiots!”

“Doom is also an IDIOT!!!!!!!”

“RepubliCANTS….can dish it out, but can’t take it! COWARDS! IDIOTS! LOSERS”

“Because you are an IDIOT!”

Now, you filtered me for commenting too much but Derrick is allowed to call us all names?

Jay

April 4th, 2011
2:32 pm

and George W., do not ask for whom the clock ticks…

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:33 pm

this would seem more news worthy….

Vast Gene Study Yields Insights on Alzheimer’s
By GINA KOLATA

The two largest studies of Alzheimer’s disease have led to the discovery of no fewer than five genes that provide intriguing new clues to why the disease strikes and how it progresses.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/health/04alzheimer.html

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:34 pm

More from Derrick:

“I’m having fun while I can. I hope it bothers you! IDIOTS!!! Repugs stink!”

“That was a typo fool!”

Jay, you’ve been waaaaaaaaay more lenient with Derrick than you were with me.

AmVet

April 4th, 2011
2:34 pm

Gov. Walker’s chances at reelection are likely infinitesimal at this point.

The people of Wisconsin aren’t gonna tolerate even more income redistribution UP the economic ladder and will pretty much guarantee that Scotty – another fiscally irresponsible, fiscal conservative – is a one and one…

Moderate Line

April 4th, 2011
2:34 pm

Jay

April 4th, 2011
2:03 pm
Yes, Moderate, and the fact that federal judges were appointed rather than elected gave them the ability to rule in favor of black Americans during the civil rights era, a reality that played a major role in ending segregation and Jim Crow.
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The Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.S. 3 (1883),[1] were a group of five similar cases consolidated into one issue for the United States Supreme Court to review. The Court held that Congress lacked the constitutional authority under the enforcement provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment to outlaw racial discrimination by private individuals and organizations, rather than state and local governments.

The Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.S. 3 (1883),[1] were a group of five similar cases consolidated into one issue for the United States Supreme Court to review. The Court held that Congress lacked the constitutional authority under the enforcement provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment to outlaw racial discrimination by private individuals and organizations, rather than state and local governments.

More particularly, the Court held that the Civil Rights Act of 1875, which provided that “all persons within the jurisdiction of the United States shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the accommodations, advantages, facilities, and privileges of inns, public conveyances on land or water, theaters, and other places of public amusement; subject only to the conditions and limitations established by law, and applicable alike to citizens of every race and color, regardless of any previous condition of servitude” was unconstitutional.

The federal government had already passed laws against Jim Crow in 1875 laws but your sacred independent court had ruled it unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Cases

Harry Callahan

April 4th, 2011
2:36 pm

“The people of Wisconsin aren’t gonna tolerate even more income redistribution UP the economic ladder ”

You can documnet how Gov. Walker is atempting to do that, correct?

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:36 pm

WOW 2:34 – just FYI, you’re on the away field. It’s not a level field…. probably shouldn’t expect it to be. Just keep refuting the ridiculous arguments made by the left (when they’re rarely made), and you’ll be fighting the good fight.

WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:37 pm

“Gov. Walker’s chances at reelection are likely infinitesimal at this point.”

Then it means more companies moving to GA! Harley Davidson!!!!!!!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!!!

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:38 pm

WOW 2:37 – will be awesome if we can get CAT from IL…. long shot maybe who knows

jm

April 4th, 2011
2:40 pm

WOW 2:37 – the GA Gov and Legislature should’ve actually dropped the corporate tax rate as well vis-a-vis the tax commission’s recommendations…. would’ve actually helped get CAT and others…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 4th, 2011
2:41 pm

Ahh, the daily whine and spin from wow as to why his posts are limited because his noise to content ratio on his posts was so very bad. Yet his noise to content ratio continues to be disturbingly childish.

As to the topic, Jay, I agree that political battles for judgeships are horrific. The 30-second soundbite recap of cases that involve precedents, specific elements of proofs, factual issues and more do not make for an informed judgment of the public. As we have also witnessed, congressional hearings regarding SC justices are also very politicized now but at least there can be some discussion (or at least there used to be). Neither situation is wholly acceptable but judicial appointment seems preferrable out of these two limited methods.

DebbieDoRight

April 4th, 2011
2:42 pm

Now, you filtered me for commenting too much but Derrick is allowed to call us all names?

I just LOVE how some on these blogs throw rocks and hide their hands. They’re so quick to point out others trangressions, when, if one just looked/researched a post from beginning to end, their own dirty tricks are easily revealed. That they have the audacity to say anything about someone ele’se writings, (when that person was prodded/pushed/instigated into speaking out), says so much about their character, or lack thereof.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 4th, 2011
2:43 pm

Jay:

Hey ! Obama sent me an email this morning. I don’t know how he finds the time to do that with all of the golf and everything but ………… I’ll send him my cell phone number in case he needs any further advice.

James –

Today, we are filing papers to launch our 2012 campaign.

We’re doing this now because the politics we believe in does not start with expensive TV ads or extravaganzas, but with you — with people organizing block-by-block, talking to neighbors, co-workers, and friends. And that kind of campaign takes time to build.

So even though I’m focused on the job you elected me to do, and the race may not reach full speed for a year or more, the work of laying the foundation for our campaign must start today.

In the coming days, supporters like you will begin forging a new organization that we’ll build together in cities and towns across the country. And I’ll need you to help shape our plan as we create a campaign that’s farther reaching, more focused, and more innovative than anything we’ve built before.

We’ll start by doing something unprecedented: coordinating millions of one-on-one conversations between supporters across every single state, reconnecting old friends, inspiring new ones to join the cause, and readying ourselves for next year’s fight.

This will be my final campaign, at least as a candidate. But the cause of making a lasting difference for our families, our communities, and our country has never been about one person. And it will succeed only if we work together.

There will be much more to come as the race unfolds. Today, simply let us know you’re in to help us begin, and then spread the word:”

http://my.barackobama.com/2012

Thank you,

Barack

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WOW

April 4th, 2011
2:44 pm

“I just LOVE how some on these blogs throw rocks and hide their hands. They’re so quick to point out others trangressions, when, if one just looked/researched a post from beginning to end, their own dirty tricks are easily revealed.”

Then you’ll have no problem proving your statement, Debbie.

“Ahh, the daily whine and spin from wow as to why his posts are limited because his noise to content ratio on his posts was so very bad. Yet his noise to content ratio continues to be disturbingly childish.”

Says the guy who uses phrases like SKITTLE POOP UNICORN! LOL

Timothy O'Donnell

April 4th, 2011
2:44 pm

This is one of many continuing examples of the effects of Citizens United. National elections for the last 30 years may have been for sale to the highest bidder. Statewide elections that elected Scott Walker, John Kasich et al also seem to be corporate auction. Courts can seriously affect the administration our democracy–see the US Supreme Courts above named decision for monumental disregard of the American Democracy as intended by the drafters of the Bill of Rights. This is what is being paid for. Next stop local and county elections.