Guess who the losers in ‘tax reform’ will be?

Republicans in the state Legislature are trying — so far without much success — to “reform” our state tax code, supposedly to make the state more attractive to business.

If that thought frightens you … well, it should.

The Special Council on Tax Reform and Fairness for Georgians, the commission created by the Legislature last year to study the matter, made it quite clear that changes in the state tax code would not bring jobs. But it nonetheless proposed a package of changes it believed would help modernize the state’s tax structure.

Legislative leaders, in their infinite wisdom, basically tossed the council’s work aside and decided to use its recommendations as a menu from which to pick reforms it preferred. The package now on the table would eliminate state income tax deductions while lowering the income tax rate from 6 percent to 4.5 percent, in effect moving Georgia toward a so-called flat tax.

In addition, it would start levying a sales tax on what are called “casual” auto sales, meaning the sale of used cars between private individuals. The sales tax would also be applied for the first time to auto repairs and telecommunications, such as cell phone and satellite TV bills.

The bill was lauded as revenue neutral, and it probably is. Lowering the income tax rate from 6 percent to 4.5 percent reduces state revenue. However, that loss would be offset by eliminating deductions and broadening the sales tax.

However, state Rep. Stacey Abrams, head of the House Democratic Caucus, was curious about how those changes might affect Georgians in various income brackets, and asked analysts at the Georgia State’s Fiscal Research Center to provide some numbers.

The chart below — which accounts only for the proposed changes to the state income tax, excluding sales tax changes — demonstrates what the GSU experts found. (It includes Georgia taxpayers who itemized deductions on their federal 1040s).

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Data from GSU Fiscal Research Center; chart by Jay Bookman

Those making less than $20,000 pay lower taxes — they don’t tend to itemize, so eliminating deductions doesn’t affect them. Those making between $20,000 and $180,000, who do tend to itemize, would see significant tax increases.

And those who make more than $180,000 would see significant tax cuts. For those with incomes of more than $500,000, the tax cuts would average 16 percent.

Again, the chart above addresses only the impact of proposed changes in the income tax. When you add the proposed changes in the sales tax, the impact on Georgia’s middle and working classes becomes even more profound. The working and middle classes, for example, tend to buy and sell used cars from each other far more often than do Georgians with higher incomes. So they’re going to pay more taxes.

As Abrams points out, a new sales tax on auto repairs would also push your auto insurance rates higher. Approximately 40 percent of auto-repair work in the state is paid for by insurance companies, and they would have to pay the new sales tax on that work as well. Overall, Georgia insurers would pay an estimated $39 million in state sales tax on auto repairs, which they would pass along to their customers.

The tax reform package had been hammered out behind closed doors, and early this week GOP legislative leaders were poised to force its passage into law — allowing no amendments — until these numbers emerged. Now they’ve been forced to again retreat into secrecy — shutting down the Legislature in the meantime — while they figure out their next move. Their efforts have been greatly complicated by an ongoing leadership feud among Republicans in the Senate, who earlier this year stripped Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle of most of his powers but now appear to be having second thoughts.

If all that sounds like a mess, you and I and most of the citizens in Georgia literally don’t know the half of it, because most of the squabbling and backstabbing is occurring in private caucus meetings and leadership chambers. All we get to see is the blood leaking out from beneath the door.

– Jay Bookman

430 comments Add your comment

Stonethrower

April 1st, 2011
12:08 pm

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:10 pm

You cannot balance budgets or fix tax codes without taxing the middle class. While the rich make a lot, they don’t make enough to plug budgetary holes (at the federal level) or to flatten the tax code.

The middle class (and I’m in it) has been subsidized for generations. Time for subsidies, loopholes, etc. to be shut down. Oh, and the evidence would seem to run contrary to this whole liberal notion that the rich are benefiting more from all these loopholes.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 1st, 2011
12:12 pm

About the only thing we can count on in GA is higher taxes for the middle and lower classes.
AND more jobs going to other states due to lack of funding for the education to increase the skillsets of Georgians

Class warfare!!!

April 1st, 2011
12:12 pm

The upper class is winning.

That includes me. You bunch of losers!

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:13 pm

“All we get to see is the blood leaking out from beneath the door.” Gruesome language. Maybe accurate, but ick.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:14 pm

Jay, maybe you have a future in novel writing…

Chris

April 1st, 2011
12:17 pm

Why the dip at 60-80K? Seems to me that would be what most consider ‘middle class’. Also, a 10% increase of 4.5% is .45%, so that would make an overall tax rate of 4.95%, less than 6% as it currently is.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 1st, 2011
12:17 pm

Jay – how many of the new jobs created were in GA. and were they the minimum wage jobs or more of the corporate(or manufacturing) kind?

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:18 pm

(off topic)

They’re bust. Admit it.
Greece, Ireland and Portugal should restructure their debts now
http://www.economist.com/node/18485985

My hot tub time machine crystal ball points to this article about America’s future.

poison pen

April 1st, 2011
12:19 pm

If all that sounds like a mess, you and I and most of the citizens in Georgia literally don’t know the half of it, because most of the squabbling and backstabbing is occurring in private caucus meetings and leadership chambers. All we get to see is the blood leaking out from beneath the door.

Kinda sounds like how Obamacare was done.

Paulo977

April 1st, 2011
12:20 pm

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:14 pm
“Jay, maybe you have a future in novel writing…” jm Where do you get your poppy seeds from?

Jay

April 1st, 2011
12:20 pm

Chris, that’s a percent decline or increase in actual income taxes owed, NOT a change in the rate being charged.

@@

April 1st, 2011
12:20 pm

Right now, it’s time for the willing to step forward. Eliminate subsidies/loopholes/tax credits from the top down. No need for a tax increase.

Share the love.

Group hug.

carlosgvv

April 1st, 2011
12:21 pm

When Republicans come up with tax reform, it is only a smoke screen for giving more tax breaks to Big Business and raising taxes on the middle class.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:22 pm

“If that thought frightens you … well, it should.”

Then move. Seriously Jay, if Georgia sucks so bad, move.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:23 pm

Any time you have tax reform that is revenue neutral, there will be winners and losers. Duh. They’re making the code flatter and fairer. A darn good idea. I hope they don’t back down.

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
12:23 pm

those who make more than $180,000 would see significant tax cuts

no. really?

Jay

April 1st, 2011
12:24 pm

For example, the 16 percent decline in income taxes for those with incomes above $500,000 equates in dollar terms to an average tax cut of $10,947.

Granny Godzilla

April 1st, 2011
12:24 pm

I support increase the tax rates on all making a million a year and
creating additonal brackets that grow increasing higher as income does.

If you break the back of the middle class, America will fall.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:24 pm

“However, state Rep. Stacey Abrams, head of the House Democratic Caucus”

Democrat good.

Republicans evil.

“And those who make more than $180,000 would see significant tax cuts. For those with incomes of more than $500,000, the tax cuts would average 16 percent.”

What is it with left wingers and wealth envy?

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
12:24 pm

When Republicans come up with tax reform, it is only a smoke screen for giving more tax breaks to Big Business and raising taxes on the middle class.

well, downstairs they were explaining to me how that’s the fair thing to do.

they’re all about the fairness. Why, it’s in the name of the Special Council!

Jay

April 1st, 2011
12:25 pm

jm, by what definition would this be “fairer”?

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:26 pm

Jay, I’m not saying the GSU people are dumb. But all their analysis is “ceteris paribus”, I’m sure.

But when things change, people’s behavior changes, and that’s impossible to model. People will be just fine.

A flatter, simpler tax code is a good idea.

Jay

April 1st, 2011
12:26 pm

As to WOW, it’s not “wealth envy” when the rich push tax cuts to make themselves more wealthy still and dump the burden off on others.

It is only “wealth envy” when the rest of the country notices and complains.

Mick

April 1st, 2011
12:27 pm

**My hot tub time machine crystal ball points to this article about America’s future**

I think it needs a recalibration, once again ad infinitum, those countries are not the US economy…

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:27 pm

“When Republicans come up with tax reform, it is only a smoke screen for giving more tax breaks to Big Business and raising taxes on the middle class.”

Do you drive a car? If so, sell it because a big evil corporation made it.

Do you live in a house? If so, sell it because big evil corporations made the items in the house.

Do you shop at the grocery store? If so, grow your own food because evil corporations made the food.

Do you wear clothes? If so, stop because evil corporations made your clothes.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:27 pm

Jay 12:25 – under the premise that the “broader the base, the lower the rate” distorts economic behavior less, makes a more productive economy, and lessens the burden on everyone ultimately.

As far as fair goes, I’d say the middle class (us) was getting an unfair number of tax breaks. Time to end it. That’s called self-sacrifice for the greater long term good. Its going to take far more of this to get the federal budget fixed.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:29 pm

“when the rich push tax cuts to make themselves more wealthy still and dump the burden off on others.”

Define rich, Jay? Are you referring to Republicans only or Ariana Huffington who made 111 million off of her website?

Do you mean John F. Kerry who is a billionaire?

Do you mean Barack Obama who is a millionaire?

Do you mean Bill and Hillary who are millionaires?

“It is only “wealth envy” when the rest of the country notices and complains.”

The only people who are complaining are left wingers who hate people with money.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 1st, 2011
12:30 pm

I have lived in Ga since 1961 and have seen many changes in the state.
At one time Ga was the leader in the deep south in regard to education, jobs, race relations etc. not so much anymore. BUT I refuse to give up on GA. If I see indications that GA is heading in the wrong direction I consider it my right and duty to BITCH about it. Along with voting for the person who I see at least has the INTEREST of the people of Georgia in mind when in the state house.

Mick

April 1st, 2011
12:31 pm

**left wingers who hate people with money**

There’s no hate involved, just fairness which you can’t see because of blindness…

DebbieDoRight

April 1st, 2011
12:31 pm

@@: Right now, it’s time for the willing to step forward. Eliminate subsidies/loopholes/tax credits from the top down. No need for a tax increase

Yeah what @@ said, I concur. It’s time for some to show how they really are such good patriots. Someone posted on another blog about how those Japanese workers at that plant are giving their lives to try and save their country from a nuclear disaster, yet Americans have a totally NOT ME! attitude that’s driving us to the brink of a different type of disaster.

carlosgov: When Republicans come up with tax reform, it is only a smoke screen for giving more tax breaks to Big Business and raising taxes on the middle class.

Yeah. What carlosgov said.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:31 pm

Let’s take the personal car sales as an example Jay, because this was probably one of the biggest tax benefits for the middle class.

What will people do, that GSU could not possibly model?

They may do any of the following in a variety of combinations: they may hold and own their cars longer, they may elect to purchase more affordable new cars over used cars since there’s not a tax break, used car prices will adjust down somewhat offsetting the tax increase mitigating the “tax break elimination”.

Jay, the world is complicated. This reform is fine and not a big deal. Tempest in a teapot.

Jay

April 1st, 2011
12:31 pm

jm, defender of the poor, downtrodden rich….

And actually, taking money from the middle class who buy most of the goods and services does NOT benefit everybody and will NOT produce a stronger economy. Quite the contrary. We have trillions of dollars of potential investment capital sitting on the sidelines at the moment because there just aren’t enough people with enough money to buy enough things.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:33 pm

“just fairness which you can’t see because of blindness…”

This is life, Mick. I don’t pander to dead beats who can’t save and control their own money. I don’t pander to the federal government for handouts. I don’t cry because someone else found a way to make a million dollars.

This is America. We are free to choose what we do in life as a career. If one makes good life choices, saves their money, invests etc they will be fine.

As for blindness, you’re vitriol is showing.

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
12:33 pm

We have trillions of dollars of potential investment capital sitting on the sidelines at the moment

but that’s unpossible. Speaker Boehner keeps telling me we’s broke.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:33 pm

Jay 12:31 – please see my 12:31. And there’s no way to manufacture more people with money to buy things on a net basis, short of increasing exports.

DebbieDoRight

April 1st, 2011
12:34 pm

If you break the back of the middle class, America will fall.

Yeah. What granny said.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:34 pm

“We have trillions of dollars of potential investment capital sitting on the sidelines ”

Yep, and those investors don’t like Obama and don’t want his inexperienced @ss to take it from them.

Left wing management

April 1st, 2011
12:35 pm

All we get to see is the blood leaking out from beneath the door.

With any luck, the blood’s coming from all the heads severed on the other side of that door.

Left wing management

April 1st, 2011
12:38 pm

Jay:

I think it’s time to consider docking posters to this forum who mindlessly repeat cliches like “wealth envy”. Seriously. I wouldn’t be above seeing you quarantine posters who post things that amount to no more than propagandistic sloganizing – and there’s no better example of that than this “wealth envy” meme which has been floated for decades now and now has simply become epidemic among some.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:38 pm

Jay, also of note, I’m not defending the rich. I’m in favor of making our economy the most productive it can possibly be.

jm

April 1st, 2011
12:39 pm

“defender of the poor downtrodden rich” though I appreciate the insult (of sorts)

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:39 pm

“I think it’s time to consider docking posters to this forum who mindlessly repeat cliches like “wealth envy”. ”

Jay, remember yesterday when you told me that no one had notified you about banning me? Well, here’s yet ANOTHER example of a left winger who can’t handle other opinions.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:41 pm

“Seriously. I wouldn’t be above seeing you quarantine posters who post things that amount to no more than propagandistic sloganizing ”

LOLOL!!!!!!!! PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Jay is to ban me and others who use words like “wealth envy’ but it’s ok for left wingers to post the following:

Leg Humpers

Racists Nazis

Idiot

Stupid

Knuckledragger

Tea B@gger

Retard

Yep, that makes SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much sense, left winger.

@@

April 1st, 2011
12:41 pm

Can we quarantine the DNC for creating wealth envy?

Mick

April 1st, 2011
12:41 pm

Vitriol? I think not. Ideological blindness on your part? I think so. You make it sound like I want to take it all away which is not so, just an additional 3 or 4%. I can handle it, they can handle, you don’t even want to consider it..

AmVet

April 1st, 2011
12:43 pm

“…because most of the squabbling and backstabbing is occurring in private caucus meetings and leadership chambers.”

More taxation without representation from the borrow and spend, fiscally irresponsible GOP…

Jay

April 1st, 2011
12:43 pm

Yes, WOW. Once again, at least in your mind, it’s all about you.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:43 pm

“Ideological blindness on your part?”

I’m not the one who wants to take other people’s money and give it to dead beats who don’t work, Mick.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:44 pm

“Yes, WOW. Once again, at least in your mind, it’s all about you.”

Considering I’m the only one who’s used the words “wealth envy”, yes I’d say so.

“I think it’s time to consider docking posters to this forum who mindlessly repeat cliches like “wealth envy”. Seriously. I wouldn’t be above seeing you quarantine posters who post things that amount to no more than propagandistic sloganizing – and there’s no better example of that than this “wealth envy” meme which has been floated for decades now and now has simply become epidemic among some.”

You were saying?

Chris

April 1st, 2011
12:45 pm

Mick – the fact that you think you have the right to ‘take away’ anything from another person is a sign of masochism.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 1st, 2011
12:46 pm

A year or two ago, I read on the GA Dept of Labor website, that the average Georgian, who has been on their job 10 years, makes about $15 an hour. I doubt that has changed much since then. That’d be in the $30k a year range. Anybody who has been on their job 10 years, is most likely in their 30’s or older, probably has a couple kids, etc. If both spouses are working and they’re both making that, then they would be in the $60k range for a household income. Not exactly getting rich.

You won’t see any people in that income range or below, in the Legislature. Is it any surprise they are going to write laws to benefit themselves? Not really.

sfd (if you’re still around)

On your question yesterday about my strong dislike (to put it mildly) for Fred Phelps, et al. You were correct in assuming one of the reasons I feel that way is the negative light he casts on the Baptist Church. We get plenty of criticism as it is, some of it deserved, without him. That’s really a secondary reason, though. My belief is that the dead and the grieving are to always be treated with respect and that is sacred. No matter what the deceased may or may not have done in life, the family should be left alone. It’s just a matter of common decency. There are plenty of avenues for protest, legitimate or not, without stooping to making spectacles at a funeral.

getalife

April 1st, 2011
12:47 pm

Cut taxes, hand out corporate welfare for loyal donors, then cut services for the people.

gop politics as usual.

DebbieDoRight

April 1st, 2011
12:48 pm

What is wealth envy? I looked it up in Wobster’s and it said:

Envy that your son/daughter/grandson/granddaughter/sister/brother etc., has to go to war and risk their life because the only person who’s hiring is Uncle Sugar; while someone like Paris Hilton gets a suntan in Malibu.

Now, I don’t know if that’s true or not, but that’s what Wobster’s said. However NewWorld defines wealth envy as:

A myth brought up only when one can not explain or defend coherently or with any conviction why Leona Hemsley said “Only little people pay taxes”.

AmVet

April 1st, 2011
12:48 pm

Jay, if you don’t want to have this blog all about WOW, then don’t make it all about WOW. (grin)

The Georgia reps are merely furthering their mandate – that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Their job is simply to accelerate the process by any contrived means necessary.

And to enlist the poor in their base to enable them.

Amazing, isn’t it?

Left wing management

April 1st, 2011
12:49 pm

WOW:

The claim that mega-earners – hedge fund managers making $1 b and up, e.g. – need to be paying a similar tax rate as Warren Buffet’s secretary amounts to ‘wealth envy’ is so outrageous that I think it becomes necessary to rethink the normal boundaries of free speech and the like. I honestly thing there should be some way to rank posters and penalize some for repeating mindlessly-held shibboleths like this.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
12:50 pm

“that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.”

The poor do a great job at staying poor on their own.

Dave R.

April 1st, 2011
12:52 pm

I think it’s time to consider docking posters to this forum who mindlessly post collectivist claptrap as well, LWM. How about that?

Chris

April 1st, 2011
12:52 pm

I think it was Charles Barkley who said – “Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years and guess what….. they are still poor.”

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
12:52 pm

HD @ 12.46, thanks for the reply.

About what I’d figured, and it makes perfect sense to me.

Jimmy62

April 1st, 2011
12:54 pm

Some of your numbers leave out some stuff, but that’s not the point.

The point is that if we simplified the tax code, it would be a lot easier to see how changes affect people. And it would be a lot easier for the average man to do his taxes. And it would cost both citizens and the government a lot less money in filing and collection costs.

I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a Tea Partier who disagrees with simplifying the tax code. The other nice thing about simplifying it is that politicians then have less ability to control by taxes, and in my book anything that lessens the ability for politicians to control our lives and our choices is a fantastic change!

Dave R.

April 1st, 2011
12:56 pm

This latest attempt to re-work our tax code merely shows that the collective IQ of both sides of our legislative delegation does not approach room temperature on any given day.

They’d screw up a free lunch by asking for seconds.

Mick

April 1st, 2011
12:57 pm

wow

Your problem is simple; you think everyone getting assisstance is a deadbeat, that’s illogical and not true. Yes, there is fraud and I’m fine with going after them, just try not to lump them all into one group. Today it’s them, tomorrow it just may be you or someone in your family….

Jonas

April 1st, 2011
1:00 pm

Jay- agreed on the income tax reform needs more unbiased and transparent review

Disagree on the below- folks are waiting to see which country/sector is going to treat capital better.
My guess is you will continue to see such flows to emerging markets which are more thirsty for the capital versus investing into Barney Frank and other morasses of regulation.

We have trillions of dollars of potential investment capital sitting on the sidelines at the moment because there just aren’t enough people with enough money to buy enough things.

Jay

April 1st, 2011
1:00 pm

Jimmy writes:

“I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a Tea Partier who disagrees with simplifying the tax code.”

Reality responds:

“Debbie Dooley of the Tea Party Patriots, Georgia’s largest Tea Party organization, has gone on record not only against the bill, but for the eleventh hour push to pass a bill that Georgians haven’t seen.” (http://www.peachpundit.com/2011/03/31/ongoing-changes-to-tax-bill-diminish-scope-but-increase-support/)

TnGelding

April 1st, 2011
1:01 pm

And it’s bright red, and lots of it.

More tax cuts for the wealthy? Why should we be surprised? It’s the GOP’s mantra. At least Bush accepted the Dems proposals and gave everyone a break. But look what that got us. Taxes are a necessary evil. We all need to contribute, even if just a dollar a week.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
1:01 pm

“Your problem is simple; you think everyone getting assisstance is a deadbeat”

EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrong, Mick. I never said that. Your words not mine, pal. I am chastising people like you who obviously can’t stand it that some people make more money than you do.

I chastise people who make poor choices over and over again and expect a different result. I chastise people who think the Democrat Party is the end all be all to all of lifes problems.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
1:03 pm

PEACH PUNDIT, JAY!!!!!!!!???????????????????

LOL!!!!!! You chastised me for posting a Newsmax story and you post some “column” by a two bit left wing blog?

AmVet

April 1st, 2011
1:03 pm

We’ve just witnessed the greatest amount of income redistribution UP the American economic ladder in our history, and that still isn’t enough?

What exactly is your goal now, cons?

That 10% of the people own 94% of all the wealth in America?

Will you finally be happy then?

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
1:03 pm

I chastise people who think the Democrat Party is the end all be all to all of lifes problems.

let us know when you find someone who actually professes to believe such a thing.

Jonas

April 1st, 2011
1:03 pm

It is always painful when the full story comes out- I assume the left will now choose to shrug off the CBOE as not accurate.

However, a March 16 Congressional Oversight report, tells a different story. It estimates taxpayers will be out of $25 billion. Additionally, the report points out that “full repayment will not be possible unless the government is able to sell its remaining shares at a far higher price.”

That’s only the beginning. Both the White House and the Congressional Oversight report omit the fact that during its bankruptcy, GM got a $45 billion tax break, courtesy of the American people.

GM is driving “away from its U.S.-government-financed restructuring with a final gift in its trunk: a tax break that could be worth as much as $45 billion,” reported The Wall Street Journal last November.

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
1:04 pm

a two bit left wing blog?

ha ha ha.

Be nice to him, Jay. He’s… special.

carlosgvv

April 1st, 2011
1:06 pm

WOW – 12:27

You are adding one plus one and getting eleven. Just because corporations make the products we use, that does NOT mean they are entitled to bribe our lawmakers with campaign cash in order to get lower tax rates and other favors for themselves. That is called “corruption”, and it has been the downfall of many a country and empire. What makes you think America will be any different. And, by the way, you sound a lot like LA.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 1st, 2011
1:06 pm

If income taxes are reduced and sales taxes raised it will increase the tax burden of the middle and lower class.
It takes the same amount of food to feed a family of 4 whether they are rich or poor.
It takes the same amount of heat for those same people.

The rich can afford the increases the poor and those barely getting by cannot.

If the gov. ever does away with the mortgage interest deduction then you will see a tremendous rise in foreclosures and a complete disaster in the housing starts.

Dave R.

April 1st, 2011
1:06 pm

“What exactly is your goal now, cons?

That 10% of the people own 94% of all the wealth in America?

Will you finally be happy then?”

As long as I’m in that 10%, I’ll be very happy! :D

Mick

April 1st, 2011
1:07 pm

**Democrat Party is the end all be all to all of lifes problems**

I never said that my friend, ever. Last time, I could care less about the rich and their great inheritance, insurance or business skills that got them where they are at. They can afford to ante up a bit more, pure and simple…

Jay

April 1st, 2011
1:07 pm

It’s understandable, sfd. If you stand far enough to the right, the entire world is to your left.

Mick

April 1st, 2011
1:08 pm

dave r

Unfortunately, you are not and probably never will be but like aerosmith said, dream on…

I Yam NOT a Sweet Potato

April 1st, 2011
1:09 pm

You just gotta love the Republican’s non-transparent tax hikes on the lower and middle class so they could give the wealthiest in the state another tax cut. Does anyone else besides me have tax cut envy. We know Dave R’s response already. He claims we have wealth envy. By the way, I wonder how those closed door meetings are going with regard to the uproar from the compassionate conservatives when they heard that the tax deductions for charitable contributions were to be eliminated. After all, charitable giving from a compassionate conservative must be rewarded or else.

Chris

April 1st, 2011
1:10 pm

Jay @ 1:00 – I can’t find where Debbie Dooley is quoted at being against the bill in principle. Only that she felt it should be given at least 72 hours in public view before being voted on. Am I in an alternate reality?

Dave R.

April 1st, 2011
1:10 pm

“Unfortunately, you are not and probably never will be but like aerosmith said, dream on…”

I never limit myself to merely dreaming, Mick.

I act to meet those goals. It is the difference between me and – well, you know. . .

misty fyed

April 1st, 2011
1:10 pm

So prior to this new tax law, people who bought an sold used cars paid no taxes at all. Wealthy people who mainly bought new cars were forced to pay sales tax. That’s fair… After all the rich could buy used if they wanted to.

Now the change makes is so accross the board, if you buy a car, you pay sales tax. Nobody is exempt. Just everybody pays. How is that unfair?

I know…. I’m starting to get the message. Fair is when “working people” pay no taxes and the “rich people” pay all of the taxes.

Here is a simple question. If I make 20k per year and you make 500k per year. What argument is there that states that the cost of being a U.S. Citizen is greater for you than for me?

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
1:11 pm

If you stand far enough to the right, the entire world is to your left.

including Erick Son-of-Erick. Mein Gott…

DebbieDoRight

April 1st, 2011
1:12 pm

DaveR: As long as I’m in that 10%, I’ll be very happy!

Funny! However, the only problem with that ^^ is it’ll mean that you are in the minority. And alas, ( I alwys wanted to use “alas” in a sentence); like the peasants of the French Revolution showed, sometimes the minority can loose their heads over the most mundane things……….

Fletch

April 1st, 2011
1:12 pm

I actually like these delays and re-groupings. That tells me that whatever is being proposed, is meeting with so much resistence that even a sock puppet has to think twice before launching it on the population. At the end of the day, there isn’t ANY politician from EITHER party that is going throw himself on the public sword for his corporate master.

If something is so bad that it doesn’t pass immediately and with overwhelming support, then you know that the representatives are accutely aware of the consequences of their actions.

WOW

April 1st, 2011
1:12 pm

“NOT mean they are entitled to bribe our lawmakers with campaign cash in order to get lower tax rates and other favors for themselves. That is called “corruption”, and it has been the downfall of many a country and empire.”

Yet not one left winger has mentioned GE. A company in which Obama is in bed with and pays ZERO taxes.

“If you stand far enough to the right, the entire world is to your left.”

Love how you totally ignore my valid points about LWM.

“let us know when you find someone who actually professes to believe such a thing.”

Granny Godzilla, Cynthia Tucker………….

misty fyed

April 1st, 2011
1:13 pm

We need to pass the new tax bill so we can see what’s inside it. Come on guys… Everybody knows that.

Blue Man on a Red Island

April 1st, 2011
1:13 pm

@WOW – Rich means rich. Not R rich and not D rich. Naming a bunch of Rich Democrats brings exactly what to the discussion?

Deep Throat

April 1st, 2011
1:14 pm

Dave R , I agree, I would be happy to be in that 10%.
I would even buy the other 90% crying towels.

Left wing management

April 1st, 2011
1:14 pm

Fletch: “If something is so bad that it doesn’t pass immediately and with overwhelming support, then you know that the representatives are accutely aware of the consequences of their actions. ”

But the corollary to that is that we become entombed in the status quo over time.

Dave R.

April 1st, 2011
1:14 pm

“Now the change makes is so accross the board, if you buy a car, you pay sales tax. Nobody is exempt. Just everybody pays. How is that unfair?”

Misty, it is unfair, becasue that car was ALREADY taxed once when new. It shouldn’t be again. It is the same principle as taxing capital gains, which were already taxed as income. The government shouldn’t be double-dipping for their revenue.

Normal

April 1st, 2011
1:15 pm

Seems like WOW is off his meds…Coolit with the double lattes, WOW…

Mick

April 1st, 2011
1:16 pm

dave r

It’s very healthy to dream on and since this is america anything is possible for you and I. If I were to hit it big, paying lower taxes would be least on my list of importance…

Chris

April 1st, 2011
1:16 pm

Jay @ 1:00 – I can’t find where Debbie Dooley is quoted at being against the bill in principle. Only that she felt it should be given at least 72 hours in public view before being voted on. Am I in an alternate reality?

jm

April 1st, 2011
1:16 pm

misty fyed 1:10 exactly.

misty fyed

April 1st, 2011
1:18 pm

Dave,
Well weren’t the parts that make up the car already taxed. Weren’t the dollars my boss pays my salary with already taxed? That double dipping thing doesn’t hold water. The fact is, it’s a sales tax. The tax is on the sale, not the car. Don’t get me wrong. I’d prefer no taxes on the sale, but the arguments being made make no sense at all.

Dave R.

April 1st, 2011
1:18 pm

” However, the only problem with that ^^ is it’ll mean that you are in the minority.”

Alas, Debbie, I already AM a minority.

I am an individual who takes care of ALL of my own responsibilities without coveting the assets of those around me.

On THIS blog, I’m the token! :D

stands for decibels

April 1st, 2011
1:18 pm

“let us know when you find someone who actually professes to believe such a thing.”

Granny Godzilla, Cynthia Tucker………….

I must have missed where either individual ever professed their undying fealty to the DNC.

@@

April 1st, 2011
1:18 pm

Funny! However, the only problem with that ^^ is it’ll mean that you are in the minority. And alas, ( I alwys wanted to use “alas” in a sentence); like the peasants of the French Revolution showed, sometimes the minority can loose their heads over the most mundane things……….

Che!!??!! I thought you were dead.

jm

April 1st, 2011
1:18 pm

dave r 1:14 not condoning it but happens all the time

how many times do you think taxes were paid on the input car parts?