U.S. military balks at promised Afghan drawdown
Military leaders and President Obama’s civilian advisers are girding for battle over the size and pace of the planned pullout of U.S. troops from Afghanistan this summer, with the military seeking to limit a reduction in combat forces and the White House pressing for a withdrawal substantial enough to placate a war-weary electorate.
Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top allied commander in Afghanistan, has not presented a recommendation on the withdrawal to his superiors at the Pentagon, but some senior officers and military planning documents have described the July pullout as small to insignificant, prompting deep concern within the White House.
At a meeting of his war cabinet this month, Obama expressed displeasure with such characterizations of the withdrawal, according to three senior officials with direct knowledge of the session. “The president made it clear that he wants a meaningful drawdown to start in July,” said one of the officials, who, like the others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to share internal discussions….
Two senior military officials said one set of options being developed by staff officers in Kabul involves three choices: the removal of almost no forces; the withdrawal of a few thousand support personnel, including headquarters staff, engineers and logisticians; and the pullout of a brigade’s worth of troops — about 5,000 personnel— by culling a battalion of Marines in Helmand province that was added after the surge, a contingent of soldiers training Afghan security forces and an Army infantry battalion in either the country’s east or far west.
I don’t blame Petraeus and other military leaders for trying to keep as much manpower as possible in Afghanistan. They’ve fought hard and sacrificed a lot for whatever progress they’ve been able to make, and they naturally don’t want to see it all evaporate.
But in the end, it’s not their decision, and it shouldn’t be. I don’t know how much time is enough time, but I do know the tenth anniversary of our invasion of Afghanistan is coming up. I don’t know how much money is enough money, but at this point it’s costing us $120 billion a year. And I don’t know how many American lives this is all worth, especially given the dismal performance of the Afghan government that we’re trying to defend. But last year we lost 499 soldiers and Marines, in that cause, and another 73 have been killed so far this year, with the spring fighting season yet to begin.
It’s time to start drawing down. It’s time to start handing Afghanistan’s fate back to its people.
– Jay Bookman
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Normal
March 31st, 2011
8:21 am
If I were President, I would be shouting from the top of the West Wing…BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
8:22 am
Good article Jay…It is time to bring them all home,
Mick
March 31st, 2011
8:24 am
Bring the boys home….now
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
8:26 am
Bring ‘em home!
Road Scholar
March 31st, 2011
8:31 am
Start with a meaningful withdraw…
carlosgvv
March 31st, 2011
8:31 am
It seems strange, at first, to wonder why anyone would want us to stay in Afghanistan any longer. I am thinking of the Republicans, led by John McCain. Once it is understood that the number one priority of the Republicans is keeping their corporate sponsors happy, it begins to make sense. As long as we have large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, defense contractors will stay in the money. As always, money talks and BS walks.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
8:32 am
“But in the end, it’s not their decision, and it shouldn’t be. ”
Yeah, cuz an experienced community agitator who lived off his wife’s U of Chicago income knows more about military strategy than a guy who was successful as a military general.
“It’s time to start drawing down. It’s time to start handing Afghanistan’s fate back to its people. ‘
Were you in the military, Jay?
Thought not.
Granny Godzilla
March 31st, 2011
8:34 am
Bring them home NOW
that's just goofy
March 31st, 2011
8:34 am
we are never going to be out of Afghanistan or Iraq. We will always have people there. History shows what happens when we involve ourselves in that region and do not finish the job.
kayaker 71
March 31st, 2011
8:38 am
Please don’t let this become an election issue, i.e, not withdrawing “enough” troops means fewer votes for Bozo in 2012.
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
8:38 am
“and they naturally don’t want to see it all evaporate.”
But it is evaporating, Jay. We don’t have the intestinal fortitude anymore. Stop the bombing in Libya, begin the withdrawals from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
8:42 am
wow
Why don’t you go to afghanistan, then? Afghanistan took down the ussr and we are going down the same path, its over man..
Normal
March 31st, 2011
8:46 am
Have we all become so numb to these wars that we are worried that bringing our troops home will mean more Democratic votes?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
8:47 am
Military engagements are used to achieve political objectives. Withdrawal does not mean that the military failed. They did not. The political objective of removing the Taliban was achieved. The political objective of catchin OBL failed. The political objective of nation building failed.
Despite the macho chest beating of some blogger who is not in the field of battle about only the military can make these decisions, that is a ridiculous proposition and the withdrawal will be because the remaining political objectives are unlikely to be achieved.
Rational
March 31st, 2011
8:49 am
For once, I actually agree with Jay. When we went into Afghanistan after 9/11, we had the stated goal of hunting down and destroying Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Our real objective had nothing to do with establishing democracy in the country. Now we are fighting the people of a foreign country to impose our ideals and government on a people that may or may not want it. I say we should leave, and let Special Forces and the intelligence community monitor Al Qaeda and destroy them piecemeal when we find them.
And for some people that want to argue with everything anyone says, I’ll make it easy on you. No, I’ve never been in the military, no I’m not a military genius, no I’ve never been to Afghanistan and don’t know what the situation is over there. I do agree with the military point of view that it sucks to loose whatever progress you’ve fought and died for, but it isn’t their choice and shouldn’t be.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
8:50 am
Have we all become so numb to these wars that we are worried that bringing our troops home will mean more Democratic votes?
Not all of us Normal. Thank goodness. BRINGUM HOME!
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
8:51 am
WOW needs to go to Afghanistan and show us how to win in ten years or less. Go for it.
vietnam vet
March 31st, 2011
8:53 am
The Commander-in-Chief has the authority to end the war now. He doesn’t need the approval of the military.End this fiasco. Bring the troops home now.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
8:54 am
“Why don’t you go to afghanistan, then? Afghanistan took down the ussr and we are going down the same path, its over man..”
I love how people totally ignore the facts about what is bringing the US down financially. HINT: It ain’t Afghanistan.
“WOW needs to go to Afghanistan and show us how to win in ten years or less. Go for it.”
Why, Obama and Bush have done it for me.
Oh, and btw, Obama will not bring the troops home. In fact, he and other left wingers stated that Afghan was/is the “good right war.”
Take it up with Bush/Carter 2.0, ladies.
Jonas
March 31st, 2011
8:56 am
It is truly crazy to continue to follow the Vietnam/Rumsfeld model or “warring”- you don’t win a war as a minimalist. Either declare war and destroy the “enemy” as we did in pushing the Iraqi red brigade (whatever) out of Kuwait or don’t even attempt. There are only losers when you play not to lose.
Normal
March 31st, 2011
8:57 am
vietnam vet
March 31st, 2011
8:53 am
Welcome home.
Misty Fyed
March 31st, 2011
8:57 am
It’s great to agree… Bring them home..AND
Let’s establish a new cabinet member and call him the Minister of Historical Precedence. We’ll charge him with making sure we don’t make the same mistakes others made costing precious lives and billions of dollars.
md
March 31st, 2011
8:58 am
And Dog…..there is no contradiction…..it is a game of odds………
WOW
March 31st, 2011
8:58 am
“Military engagements are used to achieve political objectives.”
WW2 was a political objective, Skittles Poop Unicorn?
“Withdrawal does not mean that the military failed. ”
You must have missed Vietnam.
“The political objective of removing the Taliban was achieved. The political objective of catchin OBL failed. The political objective of nation building failed.”
The Taliban is still there. OBL is dead and has been for a very long time.
“Despite the macho chest beating of some blogger who is not in the field of battle about only the military can make these decisions, that is a ridiculous proposition and the withdrawal will be because the remaining political objectives are unlikely to be achieved.”
So you’re talking about yourself now.
“I am thinking of the Republicans, led by John McCain. ‘
Unless John Mccain is a chameleon and changed his pasty white skin to that of a half black half white president named Obama…….
Obama is in charge and will not bring them home.
Remember, it’s not what Obama says, it’s what his teleprompter says.
Normal
March 31st, 2011
8:59 am
Misty Fyed
March 31st, 2011
8:57 am
Well said!
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:01 am
Rational@8:49
” impose our ideals and government on a people”
Not really. When I was in Iraq, we went out our way not to “impose” anything. Even to not putting a cross on top of the camp chapel. We did a lot rebuilding, roads, schools, etc. Even to planning a lift station for a local village. We met with local village councils and tried to improve their lives as much as we could.
Optimistic days. This was of course during the “blood for oil” days. We were total idiots. “You can lead a horse to water, etc”. Doesn’t help when a large chunk of the population aren’t supporting you. There are a good many twenty-somethings in the unit now. I can’t see continuing this debacle and having them face the same thing.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
9:04 am
Let’s bring them home. This should be a case study in the futility of a “war on terror”.
DW
March 31st, 2011
9:07 am
BRING EM HOME. Nobody is going to “win” in afghanastan… never have, never will.
deegee
March 31st, 2011
9:07 am
Okay, so big deal. We pushed bin Laden out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Bush played footsie with Mubarak for years while we kept pouring money into his coffers. Pakistan doesn’t give a rats azz about Al Qaeda or Afghanistan, they hate India.
The people of Afghanistan want what everyone else wants which is to live their lives in peace without the threat of extortion and bribery at the hands of their government. It isn’t our job to provide that to them, we have enough of that here. It isn’t our job to provide security and infrastructure in a country in which China is exploiting. Get out and get out now.
Rational
March 31st, 2011
9:07 am
I meant imposing our political ideals on people. Like you said, you can lead a horse to water, or in this case you can lead a tribesman to democracy, but you can’t make him accept it. The different tribes are always going to want their top guy to be the top guy of the country. I would never expect that the US Military would try to impose any type of religious belief on anyone. I was meaning that in the general sense of trying to force them to accept democracy when it seems obvious that a large portion of them don’t want it.
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:08 am
“chunk of the population aren’t supporting you.”
I should have put that: the US population aren’t supporting you.
Johns Creek Resident
March 31st, 2011
9:09 am
Let us get out of Afghanistan, and go ahead and bomb Libya. Who is kidding whom?
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
9:09 am
WOW, if you’re not too old, you can still enlist and head on over to Afghanistan and show us how to win a war. How many years will it take you so we can plan on throwing you a welcome home party.
Jimmy62
March 31st, 2011
9:09 am
I remember not so long ago when the liberals were all talking about how Iraq was a bad war and Afghanistan was a good one. Turns out when they said that, they were lying. What a surprise, liberals lying to try to get their way!
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
9:11 am
Another really well written and balanced article, Jay.
With that said, how many more of our soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen need to die to placate craven chickenhawks?
This veterans says the answer is ZERO.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
9:11 am
Lest we forget, we only invaded afghanistan after being attacked. The threat that hijacked those four jet airliners is still capable of mounting another such attack and will once the pressure is off.
How much time is enough, how much money is enough, ask the innocent victims of 9/11.
Sure we sit back in our safety zones with our opinions, a president making a decision to remove troops only to get votes, and you, if I was to ask do you support our troops you’d say yes. I say that is BS. I f you supported our troops you would be tell the politicians to give them EVERYTHING they need to win, to eliminate the threat, you would cheer LOUDLY for their ( OUR ) victory.
War is not political, when one places politics with our troops we see our flag falter.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
9:11 am
“Were you in the military, Jay?”
Were you in the military, WOW?
CW
March 31st, 2011
9:12 am
Dear WOW, Jay is correct that ultimately the decison rests with the President not the military (per the US Constitution). Re Vietnam, in the overall context of the Cold War, Vietnam was consistent with the strategy of containment and while it did great harm to the US (deaths, US government credibility and general public psychology), it was one more step toward breaking the USSR. Obama will bring the troops home, but he might stretch out the timetable. Also, Karzai wants us out too and the Afghan military has started taking the lead in several provinces.
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:12 am
Rational@9:07
“trying to force them to accept democracy”
We didn’t even do that. Each little village had it’s elders and leaders. We never tried to disrupt that. It would probably have worked better if we had imposed. Live and learn.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
9:12 am
So, are Republicans claiming that we should stay in Afghanistan or leave.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
9:13 am
“I remember not so long ago when the liberals were all talking…”
At that point I stopped reading.
There is only so much BS I can tolerate this early in the morning…
Paul
March 31st, 2011
9:14 am
WOW, whether or not someones was in the military is no more relevant than whether or not the President of Ford ever worked an assembly line or owned a dealership. President has legal authority from Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution. Blind acceptance of military recommendations would have led Pres Truman to defer to General MacArthur and would have led to war with China. Executives receive recommendations from qualified individual, consider the arguments and make a decision.
That’s the way it works at the senior executive level
Rational
March 31st, 2011
9:16 am
Joel, you may be correct. I don’t know, like I said, I’ve never been. I’ll take your word for it that we haven’t tried to impose anything on them. I do know that we seem to have given them the idea, and the means to implement the idea, now we need to step back and let them do what they will with what we’ve given them.
ty webb
March 31st, 2011
9:18 am
Good article Jay. And a major kudos for having the intestinal fortitude to not use the word “inherited”(or any synonyms). Lord knows it had to be tough.
Chris
March 31st, 2011
9:19 am
So Jay by your thinking, if we “draw down” substantially leaving our troops left on the ground more vulnerable to be killed, captured or worse, this is a risk you are willing to take with others lives? Draw Downs are nothing but political fodder for these bozo politicians to apease the masses. The ONLY thing they accomplish is getting more Americans killed
Paul
March 31st, 2011
9:19 am
Jay,
Nice presentation. Key issue I see it is a corrupt government, much as the government of South Vietnam was corrupt, regardless of who was in charge. We can do all we want ‘for the people’ but the gov’t corruption will always work against us. Doesn’t matter what we do for the people, the corruption will counter those moves.
Military’s preparing options. That’s what they do. They understand that while they may have their preferred course of action from a military perspective it is up to the Commander in Chief to balance the political, economic, and other considerations from other sources that will affect the desired outcome and make a decision.
You do understand that, WOW?
’sides, Jay, he’s gonna need those resources when the CIA forces on the ground in Libya get overtaxed supplying and training the rebels! (not intended as a red herring, just a quip – )
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
9:19 am
On a related note, there is some great news in north Africa:
BRUSSELS — NATO’s operational commander is warning forces attacking civilians in Libya that they would be “ill-advised” to continue such activities.
Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard, a Canadian now heading the international operation, says the transition of command from the U.S. had been “seamless with no gaps.”
Bouchard briefed reporters from his command center near Naples on Thursday, his first day as commander of the international operation.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
9:20 am
“WOW, if you’re not too old, you can still enlist and head on over to Afghanistan and show us how to win a war. How many years will it take you so we can plan on throwing you a welcome home party.’
Trust me, I’ve thought about enlisting many times. There is nothing more honorable than to serve one’s country.
“Another really well written and balanced article, Jay.”
Jay didn’t write the WaPost article, Vet.
“With that said, how many more of our soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen need to die to placate craven chickenhawks?’
So now Obama is a chickenhawk? LOL. Love the hypocrisy on the left.
“Were you in the military, WOW?”
Nope, and I’m not the one writing about what the US Military should or should not be doing. I support the troops whether at war or during peace time. Then again, Obama said that Afghanistan was the right war and Iraq was the wrong war.
I’d trust people like General Petreus over a community agitator any day of the week.
dawg
March 31st, 2011
9:21 am
BOOKMAN–As our president has NO military expertise I would suggest the next time we have a problem we send over WH personnel to direct the efforts and that would ensure defeat in a matter of days.
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:21 am
Rational@9:16
Yeah, let’s see.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
9:21 am
WOW, you preparing, what, about a page-long post?
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
9:22 am
The complexities of withdrawl are something I and probalby we don’t understand. Of course it’s what needs to be done, but I don’t know the intricacies of such a plan. What I will say is President Obama said he would pull the troops out in a slow planned withdrawl as he’s doing in Iraq and he seems to be keeping his word. As a manager he has to consider the words of those who are minding the shop so I’m giving him a chance to get this done.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
9:23 am
“There is only so much BS I can tolerate this early in the morning…”
Dec. 5, 2008
President-elect Barack Obama says that Afghanistan is “the right war.” “It’s
time to heed the call from General [David] McKiernan and others for more
troops,”
“whether or not someones was in the military is no more relevant than whether or not the President of Ford ever worked an assembly line or owned a dealership. President has legal authority from Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution. Blind acceptance of military recommendations would have led Pres Truman to defer to General MacArthur and would have led to war with China.”
Then again, Obama has zero experience in anything other than agitating poor black people on the south side of Chicago.
Oh, and we will be at war with China in the near future.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
9:24 am
WW2 was a political objective?
The obvious density of one who seemingly has poop for brains that fails to recognize the WW2 had politicial objectives permeates the room with a stench. The Germans, Japanese and Italians sought to conquer and control the world (or good parts of it). Just one of the many political objectives.
STW
March 31st, 2011
9:24 am
Aren’t we fortunate to have a President who has no expertise to drawn upon and still wants to make the important decisions? The man couldn’t operate the turnestiles at a train station ..Wish he would take his bride on another extended vacation..
Midori
March 31st, 2011
9:26 am
you know what’s so obvious about you WOW?
you are completely ignorant, as shown by your countless and worthless posts, yet you are so very proud of said ignorance.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2011
9:26 am
“Aren’t we fortunate to have a President who has no expertise to drawn upon and still wants to make the important decisions?”
Yes.
And how much experience as President of the United State and Commander in Chief do YOU have?
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:26 am
There is nothing for us in Afghanistan so why are we there? Bring the troops home. Their leadership is rotten and it will never change. It’s not worth one of our kids lives.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
9:27 am
Such a smooth transition from US to NATO control. check the News reports, Libyan forces shelling the Rebels and civilians , a massacre is now taking place.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
9:27 am
Chris
March 31st, 2011
9:19 am
Draw Downs are nothing but political fodder for these bozo politicians to apease the masses.
————————————–
I believe the masses have had enough of this warmongering. Appeasement in this case is the smarter of the moves.
Midori
March 31st, 2011
9:28 am
STW – is that because you run the mop and broom at the station?
that where your expertise comes from?
Rational
March 31st, 2011
9:28 am
poison – that’s not true, there are plenty of drugs in Afghanistan. Just sayin.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
9:28 am
Anyone that claims to support our troops must also support their leader and that would be Obama. So, do Republicans support leaving Afghanistan or staying.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
9:28 am
“The obvious density of one who seemingly has poop for brains that fails to recognize the WW2 had politicial objectives permeates the room with a stench.”
tick….tick…..tick……
“you are completely ignorant, as shown by your countless and worthless posts, yet you are so very proud of said ignorance.’
Hey it’s One Eyed Willie!!!!!!!
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:28 am
“Oh, and we will be at war with China in the near future.”
Or something very close. At that point we’ll see how the opinion polls look. And we’ll get to see how much steel the American people still have.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:32 am
Taxpayer, I’m a moderate Republican and I say bring them home, your post is crap.
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:33 am
“Appeasement in this case is the smarter of the moves”
Amazing!
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
9:33 am
Taxpayer Anyone that claims to support our troops must also support their leader and that would be Obama. So, do Republicans support leaving Afghanistan or staying.
Like you supported President Bush.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:34 am
Deep Throat, Amen!
ty webb
March 31st, 2011
9:35 am
“Anyone that claims to support our troops must also support their leader and that would be Obama…”
Wait…have we entered some sort of bizarro world? Is up, now down? is black, now white? Can “AWOL alabama air national guard jokes”, now be replaced by “community organizer” jokes? Amvet, please show some consistency, and take on that comment from your comrade…I beg you.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:36 am
Taxpayer, isn’t it funny how things come back and bite you in the ass. LMAO
md
March 31st, 2011
9:36 am
I say bring the boys home (especially since NATO is a failure) and use the same tactics we are using in Libya………well placed tomahawks and the cia…………
@@
March 31st, 2011
9:36 am
I was never in favor of the surge into Afghanistan. As far as I’m concerned, our mission was accomplished when OBL hightailed it to no-man’s land. The atrocities committed by Al Qaeda in Iraq have turned the Arab world against them.
After watching Greta talking to Afghan women last night, my emotions started to kick in. Laura Bush is a woman I greatly respect…her efforts on behalf of Afghan women and children are to be admired. When people say let the Afghans handle it, it’s important to note that women and children can accomplish nothing on their own there. Having said all that and having read where a senior American official told the Washington Post….”Gender issues are going to have to take a back seat to other priorities.… There’s no way we can be successful if we maintain every special interest and pet project. All those pet rocks in our rucksack were taking us down.” I can only ask forgiveness when I say, let’s find a different way in Afghanistan.
It breaks my heart to think….
And by the by, that official’s comment….”There’s no way we can be successful if we maintain every special interest and pet project. All those pet rocks in our rucksack were taking us down.”
can also be applied to what’s going on here in the U.S..
Midori
March 31st, 2011
9:36 am
I was very disturbed when I found out about this widespread practice in Afghanistan:
Uncovering the world of “bacha bazi”Journalist Najibullah Quraishi starts investigating what’s happening to Afghan boys, bought and trained to entertain at all-men parties.
Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/view/#ixzz1IBT6yPb6
see also: Afghanistan’s dirty little secret
http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-08-29/opinion/22949948_1_karzai-family-afghan-men-president-hamid-karzai
we are there to protect THAT way of life??????
Del
March 31st, 2011
9:36 am
Interesting rift between the military and the White House over Afghanistan. We now learn that Obama authorized CIA covert operations in Libya, which is necessary to determine who these Libyan rebels are and who else may be involved. The CIA operatives determine that they pass muster and then Special Forces go in to train and advise the indigenous rebel fighters. Next SOCOM assets go in to recon Qaddafi forces and direct air to ground support. Next it’s determined that some NATO security force is required and guess who get the call. Meanwhile back in D.C. the politicians are fighting back and forth as to what should be done, indecision takes over and our military gets the short end once again. Yes, lets get out of there.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
9:36 am
Deep Throat,
Is that a “bring ‘em home” or not. At least poison pen was able to interject an answer in with his rhetoric.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
9:37 am
Wow, wow,why will we be at war with China in the near future?
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
9:37 am
Midori, any clown can drive by on his unicycle and write stuff like that.
But we both know there will be NO intelligent specifics provided.
Just animus and invective.
Poor cons, suffering horribly from BHO Derangement Syndrome, and they’re not even half way home to a possbile re-election yet…
Like you supported President Bush.
Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!
Well played…
Normal
March 31st, 2011
9:37 am
…Besides, World War II was the last Legal War we had. President Obama and Congress: If you want to stay in Afghanistan and Lybia, then declare unrestricted war. Tell all countries that want to to side with them that if they do, we will declare unrestricted war on them too. All or nothing. If we are going to put our young people in jeopardy, then let them off the leash, get it done and come home. Just stop wasting young American lives.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
9:38 am
poison pen,
I did get bit by a dog on my waist once but not my ass and it was not funny. I do think it funny what some people consider funny.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
9:42 am
Taxpayer , go back and read my first post, you’ll see I am a patriot. T he question are you or amvet or midori.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
9:42 am
“But we both know there will be NO intelligent specifics provided.”
Like everything you type.
“Poor cons, suffering horribly from BHO Derangement Syndrome, and they’re not even half way home to a possbile re-election yet…”
Might want to use spell check when spewing hate-filled rhetoric, Vet. Also, you do plenty of “Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!” when asked very simple questions like…..
What university did you attend and graduate from?
It’s been three weeks and you have yet to answer that one simple question.
Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!
“Wow, wow,why will we be at war with China in the near future?”
China will call in our debt. When we can’t pay it back they will attack.
Joel Edge
March 31st, 2011
9:42 am
“we are there to protect THAT way of life??????”
There are certain aspects of the place that allow a different standard. Some that I realized about 8 hours after arriving. When you see your two bus drivers holding hands, you kind of look for an explanation. It is a different culture.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:43 am
I still would like to know who is going to run Lybia if daffy duck is tossed out, ( which is doubtfull )
The pictures that I see on the news channels always show the rebels in pickup trucks with very old weapons. Which of them can even read let alone run a country. It shows them firing all kinds of bullets into the air, they aren’t even smart enough to realize that they come down on their own heads.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
9:44 am
Deep Throat,
Should we bring home the troops from Afghanistan or not. I’m not inquiring about your “patriotism”. Further, like I said earlier, bring ‘em home.
jconservative
March 31st, 2011
9:44 am
So we are having about 500 American soldiers killed annually and spending over $2 Billion a week to try and create a new nation for a bunch of Muslims in Afghanistan.
Have I stated the mission correctly?
We spend over 4000 American soldiers lives and a Trillion Dollars to try and create a new nation for the Muslims in Iraq. Right?
And now many propose spending more American lives and Billions of dollars to save a bunch of Muslims in Libya. Have I got this right?
I guess I should be thrilled that so many Americans love their Muslim brothers and sisters.
But I am not.
Obviously I came into this world defective and have not improved over the years.
Later.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
9:44 am
Throat: I am a
patriotfaketriot.And by definition, the never served, never will variety.
Standard operating procedure for the boys in the 101st Chairborne.
Later, ladies, germs and trolls…
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:45 am
Taxpayer, at least you seem to have a sense of humor, very good.
cop out
March 31st, 2011
9:46 am
“Trust me, I’ve thought about enlisting many times. There is nothing more honorable than to serve one’s country.”
WOW translator – instead of risking my life for my so-called ideals, I felt it would be much safer to stay home to blog all day and criticize without offering any solutions. In other words, be Sarah Palin.
carlosgvv
March 31st, 2011
9:46 am
Why has no one here posted anything about the huge influence of the Military Industrial Complex in all these useless wars? Or did I just miss it?
George W
March 31st, 2011
9:47 am
Jay…..looks like our military leaders disagree with Obama as much as the general public does. Great job Obama keep up the good work!
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
March 31st, 2011
9:47 am
I guess this “war of necessity” in Afganistan isn’t so necessary anymore to Barry…
jt
March 31st, 2011
9:48 am
In the spirit of fairness……………….Obama has had one acheivement.
He brought out the war-mongering spirit among the progressive left…………
History shows that this spirit was always there. It was just directed toward smokers and SUV drivers while Bush was in office.
Fortunently for us smokers, Obama has now directed it toward one tribe of brown Libyans.
red ryder
March 31st, 2011
9:49 am
time to bring them ALL home. the afghanistans will continue to fight each other for the next thousand years and we don’t need to be in the middle.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
9:50 am
Carlosgvv, The Military Industrial Complex is hugh as you stated, but they didn’t start the Wars. They are supplying goods, just as any other business, if there isn’t a demand they are out of business. I know this is a simple answer, but I wanted to keep it that way.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
March 31st, 2011
9:51 am
by the way, where is all this talk and blaming from the unbiased media of Obama about these ridiculously high gas prices. I mean, shouldn’t there be some investigation of the Vice Presidents shady past with Halliburton and all of Obama’s oil-buddy cronies littering this staff and cabinet??? I mean, Cheney still is Vice President pulling all the strings….right????
@@
March 31st, 2011
9:52 am
It is kinda interesting to see jay’s team placing limits on just how much and how far their hearts will bleed for mankind. Their tourniquet is applied at America’s borders when it’s politically convenient.
Weird!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
9:54 am
I am guessing they found there is more money to make after the collapse like the USSR and that money is organized crime. Billions.
Plus they get to attack journalists like Jay.
We will be the new USA like the new Russia where States can break away from our union.
I bet I just gave our cons wood, well after the pop a few cialis.
Back in the USSR.
You don’t know how lucky you are.
Back in the USSR.
I propose
March 31st, 2011
9:54 am
that if we are to do away with “blaming everything on Bush” that we also do away with “if Bush had done this you libs would be screaming”.
As you love to say, it’s been over 2 years now.
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2011
9:55 am
Pet peeve alert! (you’ve been warned)
“hugh” – the word you want is HUGE. “Hugh” is a man’s name and it doesn’t mean “extremely large”
@@
March 31st, 2011
9:55 am
AmVet:
I never thought I’d say this, but would you pleeeeeeaaaaase…
Throat: I am a
patriotfaketriot.And by definition, the never served, never will variety.
Standard operating procedure for the boys in the 101st Chairborne.
Later, ladies, germs and trolls…
come up with some new material or STFU!!!!!
@@
March 31st, 2011
9:56 am
Whooaaaa
and FOIST, it is!!!!
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
March 31st, 2011
9:56 am
On a serious note red ryder, if Petraeus makes the recommendation that only minimal or no troop reduction takes place, NO WAY Obama has the gonads to countermand Petraeus and brings them home. This spineless president would quake in his shoes. Think of the PR nightmare he would face when al-Queda and the mullahs run over the country. The only person with any gonads in the cabinet is Hillary, and she’s wanting to take care of the soon to be grandbabies starting in ‘12
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
9:57 am
Interesting point Deep Throat, but when you say “War is not political, when one places politics with our troops we see our flag falter” I part ways with you.
Me, I’m with Clausewitz on that one.
name
March 31st, 2011
9:57 am
@ dawg
The troops are currently occupying countries they were sent to by our previous non-military president. That current guy just inherited the problem, though he is creating a new one with Libya. Both of em suck as President, regardless.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
9:58 am
Wow
This isn’t the Soprano’s. China will not be calling in our debt. How could that benefit them in any way?
George W
March 31st, 2011
9:58 am
Barry is losing control….oh no…….
Doggone/GA
March 31st, 2011
9:58 am
“I part ways with you. ”
I agree. Wars are always, and ONLY, political
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
9:59 am
Taxpayer read my first post and you will see my answer. If the president supports our troops I will give him my support for doing so, but I will not follow our president over a cliff.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:00 am
Jay, you should read this:
D.C.’s leading export: Total partisan war
Camped-out protesters, an incendiary judicial battle, wall-to-wall attack ads: the scorched-earth politics that resulted from Gov. Scott Walker’s recent effort to limit collective bargaining rights have made it seem as if Washington had come to Wisconsin.
It’s not an isolated incident.
In capital after state capital, Washington’s toxic culture is seeping in, suffocating local tradition and replacing it with the Beltway’s unique contribution to American politics—the practice of permanent, total war.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52280.html
Thanks Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:00 am
Then again, it could just be a deal with China to payoff our debt.
The Chinese need their minerals for manufacturing so conspiracy theories are flying faster than beck after another opiate bing.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:01 am
The world we live in is much different now than ever before. Turmoil in the Middle East can reach our borders as we have seen (9/11). If we know the Middle East is the center of this problem we have no choice but to do everything in our power to try and correct this problem. Leaving the Middle East will only allow the threat to organize and once again there will be potential for an attack on our soil. This is why you see Obama not doing anything like he claimed when campaigning for President. Our presence is the Middle
East is no different now than when Bush was in office. Still, Obama supporters hold him accountable for nothing, he plays you like a fiddle. Unrest in Middle East is only growing stronger, our presence there is not going to be changing anytime soon…
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
March 31st, 2011
10:04 am
I can’t wait to see what the “Annointed, Hopey-Changey, post racial, Transformative-figure, Nobel Prize Winning President” do when Assad really starts to unleash the goons and kill his people. I mean his dad killed 10K in one fell swoop!! For me, I’m buying more stock on Tomahawk missiles, hopefully Barry will come thru for me…
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:05 am
Thank you OFA for ruining state politics Republicans win a few state houses, want to pass some of their legislation, and the Democrats erupt in walkouts and exporting their vitriolic hate to state capitals across the nation.
Despicable indeed.
md
March 31st, 2011
10:06 am
“Wars are always, and ONLY, political”
I doubt the folks in Pearl Harbor would agree with that statement……….
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
10:07 am
People let’s get it straight. Over the last 25 years what country has killed more civilians than any other in the world?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:07 am
And it’s a joke how Jay Bookman is basically saying it’s not Obama’s fault, the General’s are telling him what to do… Well, I guess it wasn’t Bush’s fault either because every intelligence officer out there was telling him that Iraq was an immediate threat to America…
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
March 31st, 2011
10:08 am
Meanwhile, Hu Jintao is laughing is azz off. Barry has secured for China one of its main oil suppliers and they didn’t have to lift a finger…… Meanwhile Hu is buying up more of Barry’s debt!
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:08 am
Democrats are despicable.
Despite the November drubbing, the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee continues to hit back hard: It recently went on the air in Indiana with television ads accusing Gov. Mitch Daniels of “hurting middle-class families.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52280_Page3.html#ixzz1IBbQj89v
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:09 am
Gates is leaving and is getting real with his answers to questions
Somebody should ask him why we are still there when we know it is a loser.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:09 am
@willie lynch
If you are implying that America has killed more civilians than any country in the world over the last 25 years you are pathetic. How about some numbers?? Oh yeah, you don’t have any…
The Mandarins
March 31st, 2011
10:10 am
But we are buying your debt to help your economy. Without us working so hard and saving to finance your spending, your currency would collapse. You should be very thankful of us Mr. Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate.
md
March 31st, 2011
10:10 am
“Over the last 25 years what country has killed more civilians than any other in the world?”
I for one would love to see that link…..not the talking point memo…..but the link.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
10:10 am
Doggone/GA: “I agree. Wars are always, and ONLY, political”
Yep, and the most insidiously political efforts are often the ones that claim to be non–political, a-political, extra-political, or whatever, or decry politics as somehow being a less worthy objective that some other more ‘pure’ pursuit (like war! LOL), a vice right and left alike are guilty of.
It’s one of the more annoying cliches of modern politics to claim a higher position that is free of “playing politics”, unlike one’s grubby-handed enemies. If I could, I would wish that stupid phrase and way of thinking banished from the lexicon of politicians.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:10 am
jm….”Democrats are despicable”…..are you just now realizing this? Welcome to the truth!
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:11 am
@willie lynch
Maybe your statement should have said, what country has helped the rest of the world the most over the past 25 years, than the answer would be America. Why don’t you just leave the country if you hate it so much??
Midori
March 31st, 2011
10:11 am
Deep Throat – wtf are you talking about?
Like AmVet, I served my country.
Unlike you, it wasn’t from behind a keyboard and monitor.
Rafe Hollister
March 31st, 2011
10:12 am
Afghanistan, what a conundrum. If we leave now, all the blood and booty was for naught. AlQueda and Osama return and reinstate their training camps. The radical Islamist dance in the street and celebrate their victory and become more determined than ever to do in the good ole USA.
If we stay, we probably will be committing ourselves to a permanent war, where we continue to spend and lose our military personnel. Al Queda will come through and do an ethnic cleansing and again subjugate the women and female children. A pointless choice, the electric chair or lethal injection.
It is going to be hard to cheer for either decision.
pat
March 31st, 2011
10:12 am
You cannot draw troops down if the mission is not accomplished. Watch and see, the troops will remain until objectives are met. Leaving unfinished business will give the terrorists the same safe harbor they had ten years prior.
Just like Lybia, the president is going to surprise you, the troops will remain.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:13 am
Issues only become bipartisan in this country after the Democrat plan and strategy utterly fails and leads to disaster in our nation.
See: education. The Dems have only woken up to the need for change after we’ve dropped from 1st to something like 22nd in education internationally.
Now: oooo there’s a problem. When will the ignorant learn?
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
10:13 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:09 am
How about some numbers? Can you provide them?
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President
March 31st, 2011
10:14 am
Mandarin, and we are so thankful you are!!! Many of us Americans do not know the concept of “saving”, especially since our Dear Leader has promised us free everything…..Please keep making more and bigger flat screen TV’s we can buy with our government checks
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:14 am
From a liberal:
Skunked
* Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security now account for 44% of total federal spending and are steadily rising.
* Previous Congresses (and Administrations) have relied on the assumption that we can grow our way out of this onerous debt burden.
* Unless entitlements are substantially reformed, the U.S. will likely default on its debt; not in conventional ways, but via inflation, currency devaluation and low to negative real interest rates.
http://www.pimco.com/Pages/Skunked.aspx
JohnnyReb
March 31st, 2011
10:15 am
Once again the Obama arrogance, lack of experience, and supreme drive to be reelected at any cost coming shinning through. His Afghan strategy was flawed from the start. Those who have experience told him. Now, he reaps what he sewed. Yes, the war has been too long. Yes, it cost’s too much. And, most of all, pulling out before victory should not be an option. W. tuffed out the criticism of Iraq. Obama does not have the fortitude or character to do the same in Afghanistan.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:15 am
That adorable skunk, Pepé Le Pew, is one of my wife Sue’s favorite cartoon characters. There’s something affable, even romantic about him as he seeks to woo his female companions with a French accent and promises of a skunk bungalow and bedrooms full of little Pepés in future years. It’s easy to love a skunk – but only on the silver screen, and if in real life – at a considerable distance. I think of Congress that way. Every two or six years, they dress up in full makeup, pretending to be the change, vowing to correct what hasn’t been corrected, promising discipline as opposed to profligate overspending and undertaxation, and striving to balance the budget when all others have failed. Oooh Pepé – Mon Chéri! But don’t believe them – hold your nose instead! Oh, I kid the Congress. Perhaps they don’t have black and white stripes with bushy tails. Perhaps there’s just a stink bomb that the Congressional sergeant-at-arms sets off every time they convene and the gavel falls to signify the beginning of the “people’s business.” Perhaps. But, in all cases, citizens of America – hold your noses. You ain’t smelled nothin’ yet.
md
March 31st, 2011
10:15 am
“Afghanistan, what a conundrum. If we leave now, all the blood and booty was for naught. AlQueda and Osama return and reinstate their training camps.”
Might be the better course of action………let them come back and set up shop, then send in the tomahawks……….
Boots on the ground indefinitely is not an option………….
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:16 am
@Willie Lynch
I didn’t make the comment, making such an outrageous comment you would think someone would actually be able to back up there statement….
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:16 am
I speak, of course, to the budget deficit and Washington’s inability to recognize the intractable: 75% of the budget is non-discretionary and entitlement based. Without attacking entitlements – Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security – we are smelling $1 trillion deficits as far as the nose can sniff. Once dominated by defense spending, these three categories now account for 44% of total Federal spending and are steadily rising. As Chart 1 points out, after defense and interest payments on the national debt are excluded, remaining discretionary expenses for education, infrastructure, agriculture and housing constitute at most 25% of the 2011 fiscal year federal spending budget of $4 trillion. You could eliminate it all and still wind up with a deficit of nearly $700 billion! So come on you stinkers; enough of the Pepé Le Pew romance and promises. Entitlement spending is where the money is and you need to reform it.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:17 am
Looks like jm is breaking the off topic rule.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:18 am
The above four multi-trillion-dollar liability balls are staggering in their implications. Remember first of all that the nearly $65 trillion of entitlement liabilities shown above are not some estimate of future spending. They are the discounted net present value of current spending should it continue at the projected demographic rate (importantly – it is much higher than the annual CPI + 1% used as a discounter because demand for healthcare rises much faster than inflation.) And while some Honorable Congressional Le Pews would counter that Medicaid is appropriated annually and therefore requires no discounted reserve, those words would surely count as “sweet nothings,” believable only to those whom they romance every several years at the polls. The incredible reality is that the $9.1 trillion federal debt that constitutes the next-to-tiniest ball in our chart is nothing compared to unfunded Medicaid and Medicare. It is like comparing Pluto to Saturn and Jupiter. The former (the $9.1 trillion current Treasury debt) does not even merit planetary status in our solar system of discounted future liabilities. It’s really just a large asteroid.
Look at it another way and our dire situation becomes equally revealing. Suppose that the $65 trillion of entitlement liabilities were fully funded in a “lockbox,” much like Social Security is falsely imagined to be. Just suppose. And say the cost of that funding (Treasury debt) was the same CPI + 1% that was used to produce the above discounted present value in the first place. Actually, that’s not a bad guesstimate for the average yield of all Treasury debt. If so, then the interest expense on the $75 trillion total debt would equal $2.6 trillion, quite close to the current level of entitlement spending for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. What do we pay now in interest? About $250 billion. Our annual “lockbox” tab would rise by $2.35 trillion and our deficit would be close to 15% of GDP! The simple conclusion would be this: Unless you want to drastically reduce entitlement spending or heaven forbid raise taxes, then Pepé, you’ve got a stinker of a problem.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
10:18 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:11 am
Morphine administered in small doses is recognized as something helpful, too much at one time will kill you. Just because Thomas Jefferson was a great American statesman, doesn’t mean he wasn’t a rapist. Unless sex with a 13 year old slave girl is different. America’s benevolence is not the question. Do I need to repeat the original post, or can you stay focused?
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
10:18 am
Deep Throat,
Should we bring home the troops from Afghanistan or not.
Select,
A) Bring them home
or
B) Do not bring them home
or
C) All other possible options.
It’s just a question. I’m guessing your answer is C.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
10:19 am
md: “Wars are always, and ONLY, political / I doubt the folks in Pearl Harbor would agree with that statement……….”
The victims at Pearl Harbor, like those of the 9/11 attacks and attendees of mosques or Israeli markets where lethal bombs are detonated are victims primarily of things that occur – or don’t occur – in the POLITICAL realm.
The great German political theorist Carl Schmitt – not necessarily an ideological ally of mine – is an essential source here:
The concept of the political is based on a shared view of the enemy, no more and no less. The enemy is by definition a mortal enemy, i.e. one you are willing to kill if necessary. Hence the ever present possibility of war that is baked into the very nature of politics.
Tommy Maddox
March 31st, 2011
10:19 am
Hey carlosgvv @ 8:34:
McCain is not in charge. Someone else is keeping Halliburton busy.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:19 am
Previous Congresses (and Administrations) have relied on the assumption that we can grow our way out of this onerous debt burden. Perhaps we could, if it was only $9.1 trillion, as shown in Chart 2. That would be 65% of GDP and well within reasonable ranges for sovereign debt burdens. But that is not the reality. As others, such as Pete Peterson of the Blackstone Group and Mary Meeker, have shown much better and for far longer than I, the true but unrecorded debt of the U.S. Treasury is not $9.1 trillion or even $11-12 trillion when Agency and Student Loan liabilities are thrown in, but $65 trillion more! This country appears to have an off-balance-sheet, unrecorded debt burden of close to 500% of GDP! We are out-Greeking the Greeks, dear reader.
If so, and if the USA were a corporation, then it would probably have a negative net worth of $35-40 trillion once our “assets” were properly accounted for, as pointed out by Mary Meeker and endorsed by luminaries such as Paul Volcker and Michael Bloomberg in a recent piece titled “USA Inc.” However approximate and subjective that number is, no lender would lend to such a corporation. Because if that company had a printing press much like the U.S. with an official “reserve currency” seal of approval affixed to every dollar bill, that lender/saver would have to know that the only way out of the dilemma, absent very large entitlement cuts, is to default in one (or a combination) of four ways: 1) outright via contractual abrogation – surely unthinkable, 2) surreptitiously via accelerating and unexpectedly higher inflation – likely but not significant in its impact, 3) deceptively via a declining dollar– currently taking place right in front of our noses, and 4) stealthily via policy rates and Treasury yields far below historical levels – paying savers less on their money and hoping they won’t complain.
Midori
March 31st, 2011
10:19 am
not quite as despicable as you, jm…….
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:20 am
getalife 10:17 – go run your own blog.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:20 am
midori…now THAT was a mature response!
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:20 am
If I were sitting before Congress – at a safe olfactory distance – and giving testimony on our current debt crisis, I would pithily say something like this:
“I sit before you as a representative of a $1.2 trillion money manager, historically bond oriented, that has been selling Treasuries because they have little value within the context of a $75 trillion total debt burden.
Unless entitlements are substantially reformed, I am confident that this country will default on its debt; not in conventional ways, but by picking the pocket of savers via a combination of less observable, yet historically verifiable policies – inflation, currency devaluation and low to negative real interest rates. Our clients, who represent unions, cities, U.S. and global pension funds, foundations, as well as Main Street citizens, do not want to be shortchanged or have their pockets picked. It is incumbent, therefore, in order to preserve the integrity of the U.S. Treasury market along with its favorable global interest rates, and to promote a stable U.S. economy, that entitlement spending be reduced, and that future liabilities be addressed in terms of healthcare and Social Security cost containment. You must attack entitlements and make ‘debt’ a four-letter word.”
Thank you, and like Pepé Le Pew, why don’t you try changing your stripes or at least pretend you’re a French-speaking cat. The odor in these chambers is all too familiar and a skunk needs all the help it can get.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:20 am
@@ wants us to shut up.
No @@.
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
10:20 am
Democrats are despicable.
I hope you do not know any Democrats that you call friend.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:21 am
Tick, tick, tick.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:21 am
Midori 10:19 – still playing the ignorant I see.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:22 am
TaxPayer 10:20 – let me revise. The Democratic Party is despicable. There is a difference.
md
March 31st, 2011
10:23 am
“The victims at Pearl Harbor, like those of the 9/11 attacks and attendees of mosques or Israeli markets where lethal bombs are detonated are victims primarily of things that occur – or don’t occur – in the POLITICAL realm. ”
Since the political realm is never ending, one could make the claim that everything is essentially political…….
As for Pearl…….sure, it was political for the Japanese……….but I disagree that it was political for the US………..to be a true two sided political war, one would have to surmise that the US would have gone to war for political reasons regardless………..and I don’t see that as the case.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:23 am
There is now plenty of reason to dislike Obama’s handling of several issues. Among them:
1) The wars in the middle east, including now Libya.
2) The handling of oil drilling permits
3) Not keeping promises on reinstating liberties that we USED to have pre-9/11 pre-Bush.
4) Not enough fighting back against the conservative tsunami that is focused on social issues and cuts to both spending AND taxes, rather than jobs
Please try to remember, this is coming from a liberal progressive.
Allow me to explain a little on my points. With regard to the wars, I don’t think any of us wanted another one. As a side note I find it fascinating that even conservatives don’t like this war, when most of them haven’t met a war they didn’t like. Still, I am still of the opinion we should have left it alone. Going through UN channels and transferring power to NATO is a small consolation and not really worth the action in the first place. While I support humanitarian aid, I just don’t think we have the capacity to really provide this, even if it’s just part of a coalition, because of how much money, time, and energy we have ALREADY spent doing things the WRONG way in other places.
As for oil drilling permits, now, in the past 30 days, we have seen 7 new oil drilling permits being issued under assurances that it is now safe to do so. What makes it safe? NOTHING. Ever since the moratorium, and the so called “de facto” moratorium, very little has changed as far as safety goes for the prospect of deep water drilling. What has changed is that there is more safety training, and … well that’s about it. No new equipment is being used, even after a report by a third party Norwegian company found that the blowout preventers themselves do not work, even if they function as they are designed. That same report recommended a redesign of blowout preventers to help… prevent blowouts. Instead the focus by the Department of the Interior seems to be on containing a spill once the blowout preventer has already failed in deep water. Even then, the claims about that capability is dubious as there is really no new equipment being used to help with such an effort. But still, we are issuing permits now at breakneck speed, presumably a response to the conservative tsunami which includes the mantra “DRILL BABY DRILL.”
Again, just to keep track, this is from a liberal progressive, and I have laid out so far 2 points to be unhappy with Obama’s performance.
As for not keeping promises about returning civil liberties to the people after the terrorism scares, I think it’s fairly obvious that this has not happened and is not even a priority for this administration.
And as for not fighting back, well, I think it’s fairly obvious at this point that conservative movements are much more aggressive and mean spirited towards the liberal side than the other way around. Where public figures often use the term “liberal media,” you never hear public figures use the term “conservative media,” even though both exist in roughly equal measure. Lies told on the conservative side are believed more readily than lies told from the liberal side, and reporting told by the liberal side that is actually true is more readily ignored than reporting with a conservative spin. None of this has been addressed in the second half of Obama’s term, and likely will not be. This is probably a minor complaint compared to the others but worthy of mention.
Now, that’s 4 key points of why I am unhappy with Obama. And I’m a liberal progressive. Yay! right? Surely this means I will turn conservative and start voting the other way!
No, I will still vote for Obama in 2012. And let me tell you why.
In my first 3 points, you can COUNT on the conservative Republican side to do WORSE on all 3. If you think we have too much war now, just WAIT until a Republican gets to be president again, despite any campaign assurance a la Bush in 2000. If you think we have too many oil drilling permits going out without enough safety concerns addressed right NOW, then just WAIT until a Republican gets to be president again, despite any campaign assurances. And if you think our civil liberties are being attacked NOW, then just WAIT until a Republican gets to be president again, despite any campaign assurances that they want small and limited government.
To my fourth point, I will say that the conservative tsunami will ONLY get worse if that happens too, and will not be on the small, limited government side. It will instead be on the side of the conservative movement that basically wants to control little aspects of our personal lives even more, including doctor’s visits and secret phone taps and so on. You can see it in current legislation that is either already law, or is being proposed by House Republicans and passed in that same House.
So yes, DESPITE all these criticisms I have of Obama, I can GUARANTEE that a Republican president would do all of the same, ONLY MUCH WORSE. And that is why I will vote Obama in 2012. Because until the Republicans actively and actually support limited government both here and abroad, there is no point to me voting for them over the Democrats.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:24 am
@willie
You are so typical, when you are wrong you resort to petty insults when you have no clue of who you are talking to. That’s a sad way to handle yourself… Like I said though, very typical and very telling about oneself.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 31st, 2011
10:24 am
Well, long as it ain’t my folks being brought home in a metal coffin, I say let’s keep the troops over there. I’m a Conservative Republican, and good Conservative Republicans beleive in war and the jobs it brings. Unlike these librul Traders that want to pull our troops out, I Support the Troops. I got the bumper sticker to prove it.
Have a good day everybody.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:24 am
Alright, perhaps that post is too long. But it’s a good read for those of you wondering why someone doesn’t defect as soon as they see problems, and it shows good critical thinking skills the likes of which you are unlikely to find from a Fox News viewer, or a conservative blog reader.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:25 am
jm,
You are a con.
You are not smarter than others.
Not even close.
Take your off topic posts to kyle wingnut’s blog troll.
All you trolls can go with jm.
Enough is enough.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
10:26 am
JohnnyReb: “Once again the Obama arrogance, lack of experience, and supreme drive to be reelected at any cost coming shinning through”
You might not be too far off with this characterization, but just remember: in each of these traits he was at least equaled by his predecessor, if not exceeded, and with Bush there was the additional lethal vice of a complete and utter lack of intellectual curiosity, even a deep loathing and contempt for thinking outright. Now granted Obama is not particularly curious either – IMO Obama’s much lauded intellectual capabilities are greatly overestimated – but at least his intellectual and ideological position does allow for some actual openness for flexibility and thought – and what that shameless mouther of cliches Mitt Romney described the other day as “nuance”.
Midori
March 31st, 2011
10:26 am
thank you Getalife.
He needs to get back under the bridge.
and take GW with him.
Maybe they can open a business.
Trolls ‘R Us
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:27 am
LWM: This is kind of my thinking as well, although I took much longer to articulate it above
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:28 am
getalife 10:25 – go whine to Jay. no doubt you have already done so.
You know no more about my politics than Hu Jintao.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:28 am
Hi Midori:)
Hope you are feeling bettter.
They are stinking up the blog so we have to flush the cons.
md
March 31st, 2011
10:28 am
“and it shows good critical thinking skills the likes of which you are unlikely to find from a Fox News viewer, or a conservative blog reader.”
That one line killed any credibility you may have had……….so, do you actually know all the Fox news viewers and conservative blog readers??
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:28 am
@Adam
Just some number for you, Fox News gets about 5 million or so viewers a night, there are about 125 million or so Republicans in America. This means that about 120 million Republicans are not watching much Fox News…
Rafe Hollister
March 31st, 2011
10:29 am
No matter which way Barry goes on staying or leaving, I hope that he will give one order to the troops guarding Karzai. Inform the enemy that we will stand down effective this hour and his well being is in your hands. Allah have mercy on his retched soul.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:29 am
Midori / getalife – upset about being outnumbered and being faced with facts?
You’re like kids on the playground wanting to take your ball and go home. Only you don’t control the ball. When you can refute the facts, you just accuse someone of being a troll.
Cheerio!! I’m having a great day.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:30 am
Midori….hmmmm lets see…..open a business, help the unemployment numbers, provide a beneficial serivce for the communiity…..all so the Demoncrats can call them evil……hahahahah great.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:30 am
Your money is worthless.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:31 am
jm,
Lets keep it that way con.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:31 am
Midori and Getaflfe collectively must have the IQ of a three year old. It is amazing to me the amount of ignorance on this blog.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:32 am
Microsoft is going after Google, accusing it of anti-trust violations. How…. ironic.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52290.html
Mick
March 31st, 2011
10:32 am
jm
Let me counter; the repub party is not trustworthy, period. They were not put in power over the budget, they said they would create jobs and have not offered one jobs bill. The tea party? Cold as ice and just an extreme wing of the repub party. Address the deficit over a span of time, not over night. Afterall, all this debt was largely accumulated from 01-08 with the debt ceiling being raised six times. Why now and why all at once? Repubs and their ideology only favors the welathy who are let off the hook every time…
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:33 am
getalife 10:31 – no worries, Mr. Ostrich.
carlosgvv
March 31st, 2011
10:33 am
Poison pen
The Military Industrial Complex is not only huge, it is also very powerful. They may not start wars but they have a very large influence on which wars we become involved in. After all, business is business.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:33 am
jm,
I just scan your ignorance and scroll by like most cons here.
You all say the same thing like you share one brain.
It is old and tired.
Like @@ said.
Just shut up..
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:35 am
@Mick
So where are the jobs Obama promised?? I guess you give him a pass?? And please give me some facts on how Obama has helped the “average” man out??
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:35 am
@Mick
And I assume you believe Democrats are “trustworthy”. Why do you believe that?
Paul
March 31st, 2011
10:35 am
Woodstock Mike
“Just some number for you, Fox News gets about 5 million or so viewers a night, there are about 125 million or so Republicans in America. This means that about 120 million Republicans are not watching much Fox News…”
The correct base (denominator) in any such example should be the population under consideration, such as viewers of network or show “A” vs all viewers of like networks or shows, not total population within a country, alliance, world or universe.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
10:36 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:24 am
Come on Mike, where is the insult? I can pull up a number off of a site to say x-amount of people have been killed and you would argue that the site didn’t know what it was talking about. I don’t wish to dilly dally over these types of issues.
America has been the biggest, most capable and most willing country to exercise it military power much to the detriment of civilian populations. The fact that two wars in Iraq having resulted in the loss of some 800K-1.5 million Iraqis eludes you should insult you more than the imaginary slight you claim I have leveled.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:36 am
Mick 10:32 – Republicans, to my recollection, did not say they would create jobs. They said they would cut spending. For starters, Republicans don’t believe government can create jobs, though they do believe government can get out of the way to help others create jobs.
But people take different things away from political campaigns, so I can see how one might interpret it that way. Mick, the facts are, 1/3 of the debt predates Bush, 1/3 is Bush’s, and 1/3 is Obama’s. Bush racked up his 1/3 in 8 years (pretty bad nonetheless), Obama has racked up his 1/3 in 2 years.
Why now? Because if nothing is done we are toast in the time frame of 6 to 9 years. Really toast, Greece style toast. And in 6 to 9 years its too late to stop the ship from sinking. So it has to be fixed now or never.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:36 am
Getalife….Being that you love Obama so much….can you tell me what he has done to improve your living conditions?
I am assuming you know what “living conditions” means.
The Thin Guy
March 31st, 2011
10:37 am
WWII ended 66 years ago. We still have thousands of American soldiers stationed in Germany and Japan. Rationale? If we pull all the troops out of Japan and German their government will not revert to what was there prior to WWII. Six months after the troops are pulled from Afghanistan they will ruled by dictatorship. But is the cost to us worth it? No. I’d rather invade Cuba and Venezuela. They fit our preferred enemy profile, no nukes and we can easily destroy their military. Plus they are geographically isolated. North Korea, thanks to Jimmy Carter has nukes, so they would cost too high a price. So Little Kim is safe but Fidel and Hugo should be toast.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:37 am
getalife 10:33 – speaking of trolls, mr. pointy ears, you resemble one. Nothing substantive to say, just lobbing spitballs from the cheap seats.
@@
March 31st, 2011
10:37 am
Getalife:
Not “us” as in all. Just AmVet’s boring redundancy. Even if I were on jay’s team, I’d get tired of reading it. It’s like eating limp broccoli day in and day out.
I’m always amused when he signs off with “And the crowd goes crazy”
I’ve begun to wonder if Mrs. Godzilla isn’t in here diddlin’ if’n you know what I mean….procreating herself?
Boo-o-o-o-ring!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:38 am
“It is amazing to me the amount of ignorance on this blog.”
w got another one right.
Yup, the cons are really ignorant and repeat con talking points all day.
Like @@ said.
Get new material or shut up.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:39 am
I feel the same way about the cons here @@.
Booooriiiiing.
Yawn.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:39 am
getalife – had an original insightful thought yet today? mmm guess not
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:40 am
getalife – you’re the worst kind of liberal. just one who doesn”t even know enough to try to debate the points. that’s the best route, because in the end you’ll lose anyway.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:41 am
Getalife….why do you not answer one question seriously? All you say is “the cons here are ignorant”….
Show your intelligence and answer an question.
md
March 31st, 2011
10:41 am
“The fact that two wars in Iraq having resulted in the loss of some 800K-1.5 million Iraqis eludes you should insult you more than the imaginary slight you claim I have leveled.”
And it is a false assumption to attribute all those deaths to one side in the conflict……..now break it down and give us some numbers……….
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
10:41 am
@Willie
So I guess you think that the civilian population was doing just fine under Sadaam?? That is where we differ…
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:42 am
Midori / getalife just come here to socialize and, as some put it, leg hump. When they can’t do so in private and people suggest their ideas and their leg humping is actually wrong, they get so upset.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:42 am
jm….he doesnt know how to debate the points. All he know is “That Mista Obama imma gonna support him cause he kinda looks like me”.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:42 am
I had two on topic jm. Not sure why we are still there when we know it is a loser so I am guessing.
Try it con.
Why are we still there when we know it is a loser?
Dazzle us genius.
Midori
March 31st, 2011
10:44 am
The Pepsi Syndrome
http://vimeo.com/20995501
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:45 am
Local GA Pacific info and politics all rolled in one. Even a labor guy has more sense that the liberal rubes around here.
Labor harmony at a Koch company
An unexpected blog item from a senior official of the United Steelworkers, a core AFL-CIO union:
A number of organizations are advocating a boycott of the products that come from companies owned by the Koch family. This is problematic for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it could potentially hurt the wrong people.
The Koch brothers own Georgia Pacific. It is an American consumer goods company that makes everyday products like facial tissue, napkins, paper towels, paper cups and the like. Their plants are great examples of American advanced manufacturing. Incidentally, GP makes most of its products here in America. The company’s workforce is highly unionized. In fact, 80 percent of its mills are under contract with one or more labor union. It is not inaccurate to say that these are among the best-paid manufacturing jobs in America.
This presents a dilemma and a paradox. While the Koch brothers are credited with advocating an agenda and groups that are clearly hostile to labor and labor’s agenda, the brothers’ company in practice and in general has positive and productive collective bargaining relationships with its unions.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:46 am
Getalife….so it is a losing discussion because Obama is losing control and even the military generals are battling against him right now? Works great for the Repubs…..check!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
10:47 am
In capital after state capital, Washington’s toxic culture is seeping in, suffocating local tradition and replacing it with the Beltway’s unique contribution to American politics—the practice of permanent, total war.
Thanks Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
Dude, you need to quit toking on the bong so early in the morning. Either that, or you need to make sure to keep taking your meds. The “all out war” that you’re trying to pin on Obama, Pelosi, and Reid goes back to the mid 1990’s and Gingrich and his cronies. You can thank them for the current political atmosphere. It’s common knowledge that even Reagan and O’Neill were friends, and Congressmen used to be way more cordial with each other outside the Capitol building. It’s all a product of that GOP revolutionary “scorched earth” tactic. Some of the people making decisions now, basically grew up and has always seen those tactics as a way of doing business.
On Topic:
We should not have had so many boots on the ground in Afghanistan in the first place. We could have been more covert and completely decimated AQ and it’s structure without risking the lives of so many of our military. When you have guided munitions that can damn near ring the doorbell before knocking down the door and blowing things to shred, why do we have boots on the ground in the first place? We could have used strategic airstrikes to deal with AQ and saved billions of dollars in doing so.
moonbat betty
March 31st, 2011
10:48 am
Well, now that obama has won the war in Iraq, he can now get on with the “Real” war in Afghanistan and capture bin laden since he has the troops available to do it (as promised).
Mission Accomplished (soon)
larry
March 31st, 2011
10:48 am
Ahhhhhhhhhh…………….Same crap , different day for some people.
Some people just want Grandma’s stuff on the side of the road . Screw the elderly who’s paid into SS all their lives. We must lower the corporate tax rate. Blah, blah, blah.
We could cut 75 billion dollars out of this years budget without touching the safety net. But i guess that wouldnt satisfy people who want Grandma out on the street.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:48 am
larry…..who wants Grandma out on the street….heartless i tell ya.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:49 am
md: so, do you actually know all the Fox news viewers and conservative blog readers??
I know plenty of them. Of course I don’t know all of them. I also have a safe word in my post if you look carefully. I said “unlikely.” Also WOODSTOCK MIKE makes a good point:
Just some number for you, Fox News gets about 5 million or so viewers a night, there are about 125 million or so Republicans in America. This means that about 120 million Republicans are not watching much Fox News…
The problem is not that EVERYONE thinks this way, the problem is that very loud voices are very angry and incensed over what they hear on Fox News and read on conservative blog sites that basically say things like “just show the birth certificate” even though it has been shown, with the subtext pretty clear if you have critical thinking skills. That’s just one example. I could go with New Black Panther Party, Ground Zero Mosque, or “government option” as well for talking points used by both sources.
Also md, I have no problem with my own credibility. I already know that most conservatives HERE aren’t listening to me unless they are trying to find a way to nitpick and pick apart what I say.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
10:49 am
Try to follow me here guy’s. If your predecessor is losing 700k jobs per month and you get that down to 1 job added per month you’ve done better than him. In basketball vernacular they call would that a positive 701K swing. These are fact’s people unless you don’t want to live in a factual world.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:49 am
From the con publication the NY Times.
The President’s Credibility Gap
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/the-presidents-credibility-gap/?emc=eta1
Should those developments come, I suspect it will be worse for Obama politically if he’s perceived to have misled the public about what America is getting into in North Africa. And on the evidence of the last 48 hours, that’s precisely what he did on Monday night.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:49 am
You got nothing cons.
Not capable.
It all goes back to this:
“A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in “fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity”.
As if that was not enough to get Republican blood boiling, the report’s four authors linked Hitler, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan and the rightwing talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, arguing they all suffered from the same affliction,” Guardian.
You are sick in the head and your posts are proof.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:50 am
Adam….I really agree with most of what you say. But can you provide a link or a picture to support your claim that Obama has shown his birth certificate…..I am just curious.
moonbat betty
March 31st, 2011
10:51 am
has anyone seen hillary the last few days?
She has a new youthfullness about her all of a sudden. Looking kind of milf-y.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:51 am
Willie….so when it comes to jobs just doing better is enough for you? What about when unemployment was near 11%?
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
10:51 am
Mick 10:32 – Republicans, to my recollection, did not say they would create jobs.
Boehner, GOP Governors-Elect Focus on Creating Jobs, Cutting Spending
Posted by Press Office on December 02, 2010
On November 2, the American people sent a clear message to Washington demanding less spending and more jobs. Republicans are listening.
Moving forward with their Pledge to America, House Speaker-designate John Boehner and congressional leaders yesterday met with GOP governors-elect and agreed to work together and focus on solutions to create jobs and cut spending – including repeal of the job-killing health care law.
Go back to plying with your Ayn Rand blow-up doll and Atlas Shrugged action figures.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:52 am
Moonbat…..man that is just gross!
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:52 am
SoCo 10:47 – DC politics have always been divisive. But the Dems have led the charge in exporting the politics to state capitals. Those weren’t my words (only the last sentence was). Read the article.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:52 am
Hey Kammy….please tell me what the House can do on it’s own to create jobs?
This should be good!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:53 am
moonbat,
Hillary completes me.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
10:53 am
jm
You are incorrect about your numbers; all this is attributable to the previous administration – the cost of two wars thru 01/09, tax cuts(2), medicare prescription drug bonanza, tarp. Obama – stimulus, two wars from 09 to present, healthcare – 0 dollars as of today. Again, why now and why everything just because untrustworthy repubs deem it so? We are not greece, we have our own currency. After ww2 the debt was 125% of gnp and we worked through it. This is a right wing charade and the rich have been asked to contribute nothing, what a crock…
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:54 am
moonbat betty 10:51 – happy because she’s ditching Obama in about 15 months. that would make anyone happier.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
10:54 am
Adam:
Thanks for your points. I share your views up to a point, but I come to some different conclusions on some of them.
I disagree in particular on our intervening in Libya, which I definitely think was the right thing to do both from a moral standpoint and from the standpoint of our political interest. I just think we have an inherent inability – both the administration and the media – to define the concept of “national interest” in any way other than crass economic or political terms, thus we’re hamstrung by a dualism between our national principles (advancing democracy around the globe) and our crass political interests. Sadly Obama’s speech did nothing to clarify or dispel this confusion. But the fact is that we HAD to intervene because Obama was right that to allow Qadaffi to succeed in (arguably) snuffing out the Arab Spring with his butchering tactics would have set back the cause of emancipation from tyranny and corruption in the whole region. But the key fact is that our interest in supporting that nascent movement is NOT grounded in a crass understanding of our national interest (our crass national interest probably tells us to keep propping up dictators to ensure order and stability like we’ve done in the past) but in our founding principles, i.e. our recognition that our own nation was founded on a similar emancipation. Obama alluded to this but he missed the crucial opportunity – as he so often does – to define why this does not mean a betrayal of our “national interest” but just a re-commitment to a higher understanding of it.
By the way, on this point:
“Lies told on the conservative side are believed more readily than lies told from the liberal side, and reporting told by the liberal side that is actually true is more readily ignored than reporting with a conservative spin”
There are some specific reasons for this. The right wing side differs from the “left wing” side (which as I explained yesterday is more or less equivalent to the center, in other words it encompasses all that is not right wing, i.e. both left and center) in that it offers its adherents a comprehensive view of the nature of reality, which the left does not do. The right wing offers its adherents a range of truth claims about the nature of reality and these claims are grounded in an unflinching ideological commitment. Classic example of the contrary to this is Barack Obama, a man who by his very nature wants to calmly include all different views in his (managerial expert-type) method of decision-making. He thinks the way to proceed is to show good faith to all the interests represented, even when some of those interests want to see you destroyed – thus the absurdity of the position he takes on so many issues, throwing his arm around people (e.g. Chamber of Commerce) who have no desire to go out of their way to help him even as he does back flips to listen to and accommodate them.
larry
March 31st, 2011
10:54 am
Hey Kammy….please tell me what the House can do on it’s own to create jobs?
Why dont you ask Boehner that question , since he was the one who said it .
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:55 am
w,
Will you admit the gop lied about jobs and the proof is no legislation proposed for jobs?
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
10:55 am
“A study funded by the US government ”
There’s your sign…
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:55 am
Mick….you are right the rich have not contributed nothing…just 40% of the taxation in this country.
Nice comment.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:55 am
Larry…..nope I asked kam.
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
10:56 am
Obma lied, people died
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:56 am
getalife….lied about what?
@@
March 31st, 2011
10:56 am
I’ve noticed improvement in Hillary’s image. No doubt she’s reflecting on that 3 a.m. phone call. Enjoying the spotlight while Obama’s image is dimly lit.
It was bound to happen. Experience DOES count.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:56 am
George W: I will refer you back to a previous post I made on the subject so as not to repeat myself.
Earlier post in an earlier thread about the birth certificate. The post contains a link to the article.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:56 am
jm is wrong as usual.
She has been talking about retirement for over a year.
jm is never right about anything.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:57 am
getalife…please provide me with an actual quote and proof that the GOP lied.
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:57 am
Mick 10:53 – you show your bias when you don’t make Obama responsible for his deficits.
I’ll grant you there’s been a big big recession. Now we’re growing GDP. If nothing is done we will go bankrupt. WW2 is not an analogous example but you probably can’t understand that.
The rich will contribute their fair share if everyone is asked to contribute. But the rich don’t want to be thrown under the bus while everyone else gets a free ride on the Obama Express Bus to Bankruptcy.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
10:57 am
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:51 am
Diong better is doing better. It’s called making progress. It took a lot longer to build the World Trade Centers than it did for them to come down. Let’s stop being silly and recognize things are getting better but there’s still building to be done.
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
10:57 am
BARACK OBAMA LIES
Bush tax cuts were bad – but he extended them
Close Gitmo – well, maybe not
End Iraq war – 2 years and counting, still at war
End war in Afghanistan – 2 years and counting, still at war
Most transparent administration in history – even Bookman called BS on that one
Mick
March 31st, 2011
10:58 am
georg
I don’t think an additional 3 or 4% is going to impoverish them or the corporations either…but go ahead and carry the water for them and while you are at it, wash their feet too…
Paul
March 31st, 2011
10:58 am
“so it is a losing discussion because Obama is losing control and even the military generals are battling against him right now?”
I don’t think it’s a control issue. Military are high-to-over achievers who want to succeed at everything they do. Seems they see their mission as countering AQ/Taliban, making them ineffective and transitioning to a safe, democratic society. Problem is, the biggest stumbling block to that – the corrupt central government – is something they do not have control over. No matter what the military does, no matter the successes it has, they cannot counter that one factor, and that’s the factor that makes or breaks success.
Seems they think if they hold on long enough the central gov’t will come around. If one believes that, then one can make a case for indefinite presence, cost, death an injuries. If one thinks the inherent nature of Afghanistan fosters corruption in government, especially with the dollars at stake (the Karzais didn’t get rich off drugs alone) then it’s time to go.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
10:58 am
Republicans, to my recollection, did not say they would create jobs.
You obviously didn’t see any campaign ads in Georgia last fall then. Lemme refresh your memory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxaEBz2lOZs
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w&feature=relmfu
Courtesy of Sen. Johnny Isakson. I’m still waiting, as many others probably are, on him to release his plan to create private sector jobs. It’s not like he didn’t have 6 years before the past election to do such a thing.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
10:58 am
w,
I knew you would never admit anything your party fails to do.
Debating ignorant lying cons here is a false debate and like debating my dog.
Except my dog is smarter.
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:58 am
Adam…..I dont see a scanned picture on the website…..
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:58 am
getalife 10:56 – still nothing substantive to say I see….
George W
March 31st, 2011
10:59 am
WILLIE>>>>>HOW ARE THINGS GETTING BETTER…..GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE!
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:59 am
SoCo 10:58 – if you understand economics, and basic Republican philosophy, you’d know R’s don’t believe government can create jobs. They can, however, foster an environment that supports job creation. And I have said as much.
Whatever dude.
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
11:00 am
getalife – this is just for you…
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:00 am
It is HILARIOUS how the left on this blog can only call names and try to attack personally that face the issues and debate them seriously……no wonder the repubs won by a LANDSLIDE in the last election…..get used to it.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
11:00 am
jm
Keep repeating the lie that its all obama’s fault, again and again. Pretty soon you’ll be asking for his birth certicate too..
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:01 am
SoCo 10:58 – also, unless you’re not aware, the R’s are also only 1 chamber of Congress. There’s a D still running the WH and the senate. They’re not a speedbump to job creation, they’re the Berlin Wall stopping job creation.
Romney or Daniels, 2012!!
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
11:01 am
“Debating ignorant lying cons here is a false debate ”
Except you couldn’t identify any con lies, even when Ioffered you $500 for just ONE
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:01 am
Getalife….I never said we never did anything wrong. I just asked you to prove your point that the GOP lied. Is that too hard for you to do…..come on you can do it……come on.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
11:01 am
….please tell me what the House can do on it’s own to create jobs?
The claim was –
jm
March 31st, 2011
10:36 am
Mick 10:32 – Republicans, to my recollection, did not say they would create jobs.
Boehner said they would focus on that.
Go ask Boehner.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:02 am
Mick 11:00 – hmmmm. another lie, surprising? no. where’d I say that? happy hunting.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:02 am
George W: The scanned picture isn’t the important part of that particular article. The scanned copy that was released in 2007 is here, among other places. The point is the document is real and the scanned copy that was released in 2007 is not fake.
@@
March 31st, 2011
11:02 am
Problem is, the biggest stumbling block to that – the corrupt central government – is something they do not have control over.
I don’t even think “a mysterious death” would do the trick in Afghanistan. Worth a try though.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:03 am
Kamchak 11:01 – “focusing on job creation” is not the same as “creating jobs”. But that’s semantics. Yes, Republicans are for, and working on trying to create jobs.
The Dems in the Senate have stopped them.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:03 am
Kamchak….OH MY GOD YOU ARE RIGHT!! Boehner never said they would create jobs, he simply said they would focus on them…….GREAT WORK….
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:04 am
George W: Boehner never said they would create jobs, he simply said they would focus on them
Which he has not done. At all.
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
11:04 am
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:04 am
Also George W, I responded to your request for the scanned copy on the end of page 5.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:05 am
Sometimes truth arrives from the most unexpected sources. Christina Romer, President Obama’s former chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, said last week that she was dismayed at Washington’s lack of focus on jobs.
“I frankly don’t understand why policymakers aren’t more worried about the suffering of real families,” Romer said. “We need to realize that there is still a lot of devastation out there.” She called the 8.9% unemployment rate “an absolute crisis.”
—http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-03-31-column31_ST1_N.htm
Truth hurts. obama busy waging wars, stopping oil companies, fiddling with health care reform, fiddling with a zillion new banking regulations. Job creation work: 0.
Obama is in need of replacement 2012.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:05 am
Adam….really? You know this how?
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
11:05 am
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:05 am
Harry: creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization
So, Fox News has decided to base their entire network around a page from the liberal playbook?
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:05 am
Adam 11:04 – they’ve already passed a law to rollback health care reform and they’ve cut spending. Both initiatives are job creating.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:06 am
w,
The gop ran on jobs you freaking con.
Just admit it.
You will not and play silly games.
This is why you will lose.
Americans will elect serious adults not children that play stupid games.
Obama will crush you cons again.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
11:06 am
Getalife: “A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in “fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity”.
This is basically correct. It’s why I generally consider conservativism a universal error to which people are prone in all times and places going back to antiquity. It essentially consists of a dogmatic rejection of thinking as such in favor of a assertion of organic unity of the people or ethnicity.
Imagine the polar opposite of a Rush Limbaugh, which I would argue is a left wing radical intellectual. The left wing radical intellectual understands Limbaugh and incorporates his concerns into his own, while Limbaugh organizes his entire existence around a panicked, violent attempt to suppress the insights of the left wing intellectual. But that attempt is doomed to fail, because by definition the left wing/center intellectual (they’re one and the same) is faithful to truth with a capital T.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:06 am
George W: He hasn’t even introduced a SYMBOLIC bill to create jobs. Show me a bill that he has worked on, at all, since taking the House leadership, that has a focus on job creation.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
11:07 am
DC politics have always been divisive. But the Dems have led the charge in exporting the politics to state capitals. Those weren’t my words (only the last sentence was). Read the article.
And from the 1st page of your linked article: “The Washingtonization of state-level politics, however, is a bipartisan affair.”
So, maybe you read the article and only chose to see what YOU wanted to see.
if you understand economics, and basic Republican philosophy, you’d know R’s don’t believe government can create jobs. They can, however, foster an environment that supports job creation. And I have said as much.
And I also know what Sen. Johnny Isakson (R) said in his campaign ad. He said that he “had a plan to create private sector jobs”. He said nothing about fostering an environment that would spur job creation. That is two entirely different statements. Your guy just exposed the GOP double-speak for all to see. Own up to it. He lied, but it didn’t stop him from getting re-elected with an overwhelming majority.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:07 am
jm: Adam 11:04 – they’ve already passed a law to rollback health care reform and they’ve cut spending. Both initiatives are job creating.
No they are not. That’s just a talking point. The reality is that rolling back health reform and cutting spending actually cut jobs.
larry
March 31st, 2011
11:07 am
Well, lets see……….lets name one bill where the Rep’s in the house has sent to the Senate focusing on creating jobs.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:07 am
getalife….provide proof….that is all I am asking. Provide proof.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
11:08 am
getalife
Time now to introduce your dog to this blog.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:08 am
Adam…..Well the Bush tax code for one. Which is now the Obama tax code….Could job oh Barry boy keep up the good work.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:09 am
Adam 11:06 – I just did. go back and reeeeaaad
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:09 am
Adam 11:07 – waiting for your study that says so.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:10 am
George W: Tax cuts don’t create jobs. Even if they did, that particular bill passed BEFORE Beohner and Republicans took leadership in the House.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:10 am
jm: You show me your study and I’ll show you mine.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:10 am
Left wing management,
I think psychology courses in colleges should study the con stupid games and lies on these blogs. It is a gold mine of data for them to study and find a cure before they destroy our country again.
Facts mean nothing to these people and they are out of control.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:10 am
SoCo 11:07 – if you read further…. you’ll see the part where they indicate that Democrats really started the food fight. do you really want me to go back and find the passage for you?
Yes, it’s bipartisan warfare now. After the Dems started the fight. When under fire, it makes sense to engage the enemy.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:11 am
Adam…..hmmm three months in office and you are wanting to see a dramatic change……are they focusing now on a budget so that the funding for the government doesnt go broke…..nice try.
@@
March 31st, 2011
11:12 am
I’m in 100% agreement with Dr. Rossiter.
No question about it!!!!!!
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
11:12 am
George W
How about this.
Gold prices fell for the third straight session as signs the U.S. economy is improving drove U.S. equities higher, eroding demand for the metal as an alternative investment.
U.S. consumers increased spending more than forecast in February as incomes climbed, government figures showed today, and an index of pending home resales unexpectedly increased. The economy grew at a 3.1 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter, revised up from 2.8 percent estimated last month, data showed last week.
Bloomberg 3/28/11
George, things are getting better. Again to use a metaphor: Gabrielle Giffords suffered a traumatic injury, she’s being treated at a place that’s taking her through the paces one at a time. Similarly our economy has suffered a traumatic incident which cannot be fixed overnight but we will recover.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:12 am
Getalife…..”facts mean nothing”….that is all I am asking you to do is show some facts. Is that too hard…..what color Kool-aid are you having today? Red?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:13 am
Kamchak,
He is next to me but wants me to throw the ball instead.
Even my dog knows these cons are boring.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
11:13 am
Who’s right or wrong matters not. It’s becoming just like Vietnam and soldiers will pay the price as always.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
0311/0317
India Company
3rd Battalion, 4th Marines
Vietnam (1967-68)
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:13 am
Adam 11:10 – I saw an accounting firm study that said on balance it destroys jobs. Can’t find it so I’ll throw you this liberal publication bone:
“Squeezing our waste will translate into reducing employment. Reformers don’t talk about that. Their reluctance is understandable, especially in today’s economy, where the health industry is not only the nation’s largest employer, providing more than 14 million jobs, but is also one of only two areas—the other is education—now reporting steady employment growth.”
http://www.theroot.com/views/employment-cost-health-care-reform
That doesn’t even count the jobs lost due to the additional cost burdens.
larry
March 31st, 2011
11:14 am
Truth is, the Reps in the house dont give a rats behind about creating jobs. Thats why they have dealt with everything but .
I mean, they dont even know how a bill becomes law.
Ask Eric Cantor .
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:14 am
Willie….you think two years is “overnight”? Isnt the unemployment rate still above 9%? Yep you are right things are really getting better.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:15 am
Liberal EJ Dione doesn’t get it, yet anyway. Obama is all show, no substance.
Obama, Meet Obama
By E.J. Dionne
WASHINGTON — Someone should introduce the Barack Obama who addressed the nation Monday on Libya to the Barack Obama who has been dancing around the edge of the budget fight.
In his Libya speech, Obama was clear, forceful and principled. Yes, there were some ambiguities but these were dictated by a genuinely uncertain situation on the ground, not by muddled thinking. The president made the case for a foreign policy rooted in morality yet also alive to the difficulties of acting wisely in an imperfect world that does not bend easily to one man’s or one country’s will.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/03/31/obama_meet_obama_109403.html
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:15 am
Larry….are those the bills that Obama wants to have passed before they can be read? Interesting.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:15 am
George W: hmmm three months in office and you are wanting to see a dramatic change
Excuse me? You’re using an argument that you would have fought against when Obama took office? Anyway, in three months I see many bills, but not a single one, symbolic or otherwise, focused on job creation.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:16 am
w,
Facts mean nothing and will not penetrate that bubble on your head.
You can’t even admit the gop ran on jobs and there are thousands of their commercials for proof.
Man up and admit one thing and stop playing stupid games.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:17 am
Adam…..dude I can lead you to water I just cant make you drink……stay thirsty my friends.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:17 am
wonder who this is about….
““They refuse to cut spending and they think a shutdown would benefit them politically by turning the public against Republicans.””
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:17 am
I’d appreciate if you would acknowledge that your moving on from the topic of the birth certificate and talking abotu other thinks fervently means you have read, understood, and agree that the birth certificate WAS shown and that it IS real, and that he WAS born in this country.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:17 am
These suspicions, harbored by many on the right, were seemingly confirmed on Tuesday by the extraordinarily candid remarks of Howard Dean, former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, at a conference panel organized by National Journal. Dean said that if he were still head of the DNC, he would be “quietly rooting” for a government shutdown, because of the political damage it would likely inflict on Republicans. “From a partisan point of view, I think it would be the best thing in the world to have a shutdown,” Dean said.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:18 am
Adam…nope I am not admiting that at all. The validity of what you showed is still in question.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
11:18 am
Looks like Afghanistan is beyond the abilities of many bloggers -
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:19 am
Adam….and I didnt move off any talking point….I was actually talking about job creation to Midori and Getalife when you butted in.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:20 am
Good luck with that Adam.
They will admit nothing and playing childish games.
The adults will remain in charge.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
11:20 am
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:14 am
They say this is the greatest economic calamity to befall America since the Great Depression. How long did it take America to come out of that. Don’t be so shortsighted George. Keep your eyes on the prize, we did great once we got through that period. Which took more than two years by the way.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:21 am
Alright George W, what part of it is in question and why?
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:21 am
Getalife….childish games??? I have asked you to prove any ONE of your ridiculous comments and you can not do that. Who is the child?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:21 am
Paul,
Yeah, they know it is another w loser.
Why do you think we are still there?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:21 am
“Anyway, in three months I see many bills, but not a single one, symbolic or otherwise, focused on job creation.”
That’s because you think job creation is adding to our deficit to provide make-work, one-time jobs for projects that produce little, if any real benefit.
The best way (and really the only fiscally sound way) for government to create jobs is to get out of the way of those in the private sector who want to create jobs. That takes time and more effort when you have an administration which doesn’t believe in the free market. Again, I’ll wait for the budget to be present to see if they are cutting off the funding to agencies and departments that hinder business. If they are, well and good. If not, they’ll hear from me.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:22 am
Willie……and you think we have recovered from that? I think it is the will of the American people from both the left and right that have allowed our economy to start to recover (if any). Nothing this fool has done has helped other than keeping the tax codes static.
Midori
March 31st, 2011
11:23 am
you guys are mopping the floor with these lying, ducking and dogding con men.
and they are too stupid to know it.
Getalife – my cats wouldn’t even play with them. a complete waste of time.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:23 am
Same ole failed ideology from Dave.
Yawn.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:23 am
Dave R 11:21 – bingo
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:24 am
Midori….great post again! Way to use facts and not name call. Great job!
Midori
March 31st, 2011
11:24 am
time to put food on my family.
bye lying liars.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:24 am
They are fun to smack around Midori.
You have smart cats too
Midori
March 31st, 2011
11:24 am
that goes double for you, George.
what a maroon.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:25 am
getalife 11:23 – same old useless comment of no substance from getalife. If only they had an IQ requirement, of say, 10, to post on the blog, then getalife would be outta here.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:25 am
Dave R: That takes time and more effort when you have an administration which doesn’t believe in the free market
The administration clearly believes in free market and there’s plenty of evidence for it that has been gone over and over again, with much criticism FROM THE LEFT on just how much he embraces corporations, oil, and Wall Street. That you refuse to see that is your problem, not mine.
Also, as far as cutting and getting out of the way of business, they are suggesting changes that make that possible. I think your objection must be that they are not going far enough to get out of the way, not that they are trying to hinder business even more. BTW, Tax cuts don’t help job creation. They only help the company bottom line, and as we can see from tax returns from multiple businesses, taxes can be avoided if the company hires the right people to do the paperwork.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:25 am
Midori is the blackest of pots.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:25 am
Dave R and jm: So you guys think that repairing our roads doesn’t provide any real benefit?
Paul
March 31st, 2011
11:26 am
getalife
Seems like they have a difficult situation here. Support continuance or expansion in Afghanistan, brings up parallels to Iraq. If they liked Iraq that means giving credit to Obama’s Afghan decisions.
Guess it causes overload so you get the anger.
@@
March 31st, 2011
11:26 am
How very sad.
Workers at the disaster-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan say they expect to die from radiation sickness as a result of their efforts to bring the reactors under control, the mother of one of the men tells Fox News.
Speaking tearfully through an interpreter by phone, the mother of a 32-year-old worker said: “My son and his colleagues have discussed it at length and they have committed themselves to die if necessary to save the nation.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/#ixzz1IBuOODer
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
11:26 am
Can a Democrat answer how more regulation and raising taxes will create jobs?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:27 am
“Same ole failed ideology from Dave.”
Yeah, ’cause your deficit spending for temporary jobs is working out so well, isn’t it?
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:27 am
“The administration clearly believes in free market”
hoooooooooooooo that’s funny. You mean, the fact that they’ve decided if oil hits $105 a barrel they’re going to release the SPR, even though there isn’t a crisis and its intended for military purposes?
Oh, that administration, my mistake…. you mean the Republican administrations….
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:27 am
jm……literally! hahahahaha
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:27 am
Adam 11:25 – nope
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:27 am
jm,
You are not smart.
You have a mental disorder that makes you think you are smart and never wrong.
Facts will be ignored, you cling to a failed ideology and can’t even stay on topic.
You are one sick puppy.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:28 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE: Can a Democrat answer how more regulation and raising taxes will create jobs?
I’ve made this point before but I’ll make it again. Raising taxes does not create jobs. Lowering taxes ALSO does not create jobs. Removing regulations does not create jobs. More regulation ALSO does not create jobs.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:28 am
Midori….”time to put food on my family.”
Are you saying that you actually put food ON your family….or that you eat your family! wow!
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
11:28 am
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:22 am
Willie……and you think we have recovered from that? I think it is the will of the American people from both the left and right that have allowed our economy to start to recover (if any).
Huh?????
George, President Obama has a mess on his hands and he owns it, he has no choice. Conversley, you have to acknowledge the ownership responsiblities of the one who f**** it up.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:28 am
Well jm, if that’s the case then I strongly disagree. I suppose you don’t do much driving to have such an opinion.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
11:29 am
jm @ 11:10
You’re talking about this passage:
“The Democrats started this. They got better at it quicker further down the ballot,” Jankowski explained. “The Republicans we work with feel like, ‘Thank God, finally I’ve got a group that can help me fight back.’”
Something that was stated by Chris Jankowski, president of the Republican State Leadership Committee, the GOP’s state campaign arm.
I think he was referring to Wisconsin’s issue, and not state governments in general. Nice try though.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:29 am
Adam 11:25 – you mean the administration that is dictating that debit card transaction fees be $0.12 per transaction?
Wait a sec….
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:29 am
George W: The last page ate my question. What part of the birth certificate thing is in question, and why?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:29 am
Dave,
Compare the w collapse to the Obama recovery and the answer is yes.
Check the numbers and admit it.
I know you can’t because you are a sick con.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:29 am
JM….notice that Getalife and Midori can never post facts that just name call……Feels like third grade doesnt it? I know Getalife and Midori dont understand, they didnt make it to the thrid grade!!
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:30 am
jm 11:29: What does that have to do with roads?
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:30 am
SoCo 11:29 – yeah, biased source. OFA exported the PEU reform bill controversy to Wisconsin though. They’ve taken state issues national (and vice versa), which is absurd.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
11:30 am
@Adam
If you are a Democrat you need to consider crossing over….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
11:31 am
Looks like Afghanistan is beyond the abilities of many bloggers
Paul
I think it goes a lot further than just Afghanistan…..
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:31 am
Willie B……”George, President Obama has a mess on his hands and he owns it, he has no choice. Conversley, you have to acknowledge the ownership responsiblities of the one who f**** it up.”
You are right Obama and the left never blame Bush for the current state of the economy. “He owns it”??? RIGHT!!!!
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:31 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE 11:30: Drop the culture war and big government of your own style. Then I might consider it.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
11:32 am
@@
““My son and his colleagues have discussed it at length and they have committed themselves to die if necessary to save the nation.”
They’ll sacrifice their lives for their country and our Congress seems more willing to sacrifice the country for their careers.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:32 am
Do you cons even have a job or did your party steal them?
Yet you will still vote for your party.
That is sick don’t ya think?
Paul
March 31st, 2011
11:32 am
Morning, SoCom
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:32 am
Adam – not related to roads. Here’s what I believe: justified and intelligent investments in infrastructure can create jobs. Alaska “roads to nowhere” don’t create jobs though.
Infrastructure investments (which can also be done by the private sector) create jobs because the facilitate the better use of resources in our country.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
11:32 am
If it’s not the job of the government to create jobs, when is the private sector going to do their part. Oh yeah they won’t. Profits are up because thir biggest expense (YOU)is down. Stop blaming the government, you’ve been cannibalized by business.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:33 am
George W: You’re right. Placing blame doesn’t help at all. So why continue to place blame on Obama?
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:33 am
Getalife…..look at the unemployment rates based on party lines…..you tell me who is more likely to be unemployed.
larry
March 31st, 2011
11:34 am
Just remember , you can not spell corruption and recession without a ” R” .
Im out .
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:34 am
“The administration clearly believes in free market and there’s plenty of evidence for it that has been gone over and over again, with much criticism FROM THE LEFT on just how much he embraces corporations, oil, and Wall Street. That you refuse to see that is your problem, not mine.”
Criticism from the left on economic policy is not exactly proof that this administration believes in the free market. Only that the left is loonier that even you think they are.
“Also, as far as cutting and getting out of the way of business, they are suggesting changes that make that possible.”
Yeah, NOW. Two YEARS after fumbling the ball on the economy, and ONLY after getting their a$$es handed to them in congressional elections last November.
“I think your objection must be that they are not going far enough to get out of the way, not that they are trying to hinder business even more.”
Ya think?
“Tax cuts don’t help job creation. They only help the company bottom line, and as we can see from tax returns from multiple businesses, taxes can be avoided if the company hires the right people to do the paperwork.”
All taxes are ultimately paid by the consumer, not the corporation. Corporations are merely the middle-men.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:34 am
jm @ 11:32: Agreed. At the time of the stimulus though I don’t really know a private company that would have helped with infrastructure improvements at all had they not been spurred by the government to do so. Even now I don’t know of a company willing to make such an investment, despite the need for it.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:35 am
willie….oh that is right you see business owners and slave masters…….i forgot.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
11:35 am
They’ve taken state issues national (and vice versa), which is absurd.
What affects the state can sometimes affect the nation. The state issue of collective bargaining repeal seems to have gone nationwide anyway. When you have one party trying to disrupt a major fundraising leg of the opposition, it has a way of going national. The GOP should have been ready for that from the beginning. I’d expect the same thing if the Left decided to go after the Chamber of Commerce all across the nation.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:35 am
Larry…..and you cant spell Deceit with our a D.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:35 am
SC,
They lost it when the President said change has come to America.
@@
March 31st, 2011
11:36 am
I’ve had my say on Afghanistan so I’m going off topic.
In the Netherlands, sex with a 12 year old girl is legal!!??!!
An “enlightened society!!??!!
I’m shocked!
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:36 am
Getalife…..change??? what change?
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:36 am
Adam 11:34 – agreed (first sentence). Second sentence isn’t accurate. Cousins is willing to do a PPP on the transit downtown, and that’s not even a more sensible road project.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
11:36 am
Mornin’ Paul. How’s things out west today?
John Birch
March 31st, 2011
11:37 am
If Obama had kept his campaign promise and only committed two more brigades instead of 50,000 more troops, he wouldn’t have this problem now.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:37 am
“Raising taxes does not create jobs. Lowering taxes ALSO does not create jobs. Removing regulations does not create jobs. More regulation ALSO does not create jobs.”
SO you’re basically admitting that nothing government does affects job creation in the least?
Dope.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:38 am
Dave R: Criticism from the left on economic policy is not exactly proof that this administration believes in the free market. Only that the left is loonier that even you think they are.
I wasn’t trying to imply this PROVES that the administration believes in free market. But there’s plenty of evidence that the administration does believe in and support it through their actions. Some of those actions were brought to my attention through left wing criticism, some from right wing criticism. But mostly from left wing criticism since most right wing people actually have the sense not to complain when they are getting their way.
Yeah, NOW. Two YEARS after fumbling the ball on the economy, and ONLY after getting their a$$es handed to them in congressional elections last November.
So?
“I think your objection must be that they are not going far enough to get out of the way, not that they are trying to hinder business even more.”
Ya think?
Well at least we agree on something.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:38 am
@@,
I had a girlfriend when I was twelve and we had sex.
It was her idea.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:39 am
“Compare the 30 years of failed liberal Congessional policies collapse to the Obama recovery and the answer is yes.”
Fixed your typo, getalife. No thanks needed.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:39 am
SoCo 11:35 – shocker. Now we’re down to the brass tax. It’s about money.
Well, hard to argue about that. Though money appears to be heading to worthless in this country….
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:40 am
Dave R: SO you’re basically admitting that nothing government does affects job creation in the least?
Not through taxes or regulations. And they can’t do crap to spur private sector job creation. However, the government DOES employ people.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:41 am
“However, the government DOES employ people.”
That statement, taken to its logical conclusion: then government should employ everyone so everyone has a job.
yeah, communism!
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:41 am
getalife….surprise surprise….and you wonder why HIV and fatherless homes are a problem in the black community. Great work!
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:41 am
jm: Money was always worthless. It just took years of the ridiculous human created problem of “inflation” to realize it.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
11:42 am
“and they are too stupid to know it.”
Bookman, what were you telling us all about civility a week ago? A lot of people are getting tired of Midori and AmVet calling everyone names like stupid, idiot, humpers, trolls etc.
Would you please tell your left wing bloggers to grow up.
Normal
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
Some of the “Deficit Reducing Repulicans” ahve strange ideas as to how to do it…
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/03/military-republicans-defense-budget-increase-033011w/
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
“Not through taxes or regulations. And they can’t do crap to spur private sector job creation.”
Disagree 1,000 million percent. If that was the case, why has China or India become a juggernaut in the last 20 years?
Because their government started GETTING OUT OF THE WAY! (and also doing a 1/2 decent job educating their people)
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
jm: I don’t advocate for that position. Government employs specific types of people, such as at the state level teachers, police, fire, etc. Federal level has plenty of jobs too for specific things. The private sector can and should make up the rest.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
“Not through taxes or regulations. And they can’t do crap to spur private sector job creation. However, the government DOES employ people.”
First, I’d ask any college you attended that taught economic to refund your money. You were taken like a rube.
Second. government employing people at a deficit negatively affects the economy.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:43 am
Government has created jobs with the race to the moon, WWII and wars, highway projects, etc….
WOW
March 31st, 2011
11:44 am
“that goes double for you, George.
what a maroon.”
Midori needs to grow up.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:45 am
If that was the case, why has China or India become a juggernaut in the last 20 years?
I would argue China doesn’t HAVE private sector jobs at all, and India is just full of private sector jobs that pay less than American private sector jobs. Also don’t agree that India is a juggernaut. And COMPLETELY disagree that China’s government is “out of the way.” They run everything.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:45 am
getalife 11:43 – thanks (seriously) for actually trying to make a point.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:45 am
Ahhhh WOW has been enlightened with the power of judgement today.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:46 am
w,
I am Sicilian sicko.
We have a weakness for the ladies.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:46 am
Dave R: First, I’d ask any college you attended that taught economic to refund your money
That would be awesome.
government employing people at a deficit negatively affects the economy.
That’s a very narrow view that neglects all of the reasons for a deficit, and places the majority of the deficit on the shoulders of government workers alone. Which is ridiculous.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:46 am
Adam 11:45 – “they run everything”
I’d say: yes and no….
But there’s no doubt, government can foster a job creating environment, or it can smother it. We’re currently in smother mode.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:47 am
jm,
No points penetrate your sick mind.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:48 am
getalife 11:47 – apparently that was the limit for you eh? 1 semi-legitimate comment and done….
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:49 am
jm: There’s a difference between foster and force. China forces. We don’t have that problem. Also some regulations are there for very good reasons and should remain. But there’s already an administration investigation into what regulations can be removed that will help businesses while not hurting the public or consumers.
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:49 am
getalife……hahaha ok THAT was funny.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
11:49 am
“I had a girlfriend when I was twelve and we had sex.”
“No points penetrate your sick mind.”
Way to represent the left, getalife.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
11:50 am
I’m going to have to get ready for a big day ahead of me. For now, I’ll see you all later.
@@
March 31st, 2011
11:50 am
Getalife:
Getalife:
I had a girlfriend when I was twelve and we had sex.
It was her idea.
You also think Amsterdam’s the place to be ’cause drugs flow freely.
The 12 year old girl I was referencing was impregnated by an older man when she was 11. Turned up pregnant and didn’t even know she was.
It’s kinda like my parents always told me…”If everyone else is jumping off a cliff, would you follow?”
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:50 am
Tea party frauds protesting in bad weather today in Washington..
Attacking the speaker because he is orange.
Too funny.
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:50 am
Adam 11:49 – “force” varying degrees. Obviously, yes, China and the US government “force” such as it is used, is at very different levels.
I agree, there are good regulations. There are also lots of bad ones. And thank heavens they’re actually doing that, we’ll see what, if anything, comes of it.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
11:50 am
“That’s a very narrow view that neglects all of the reasons for a deficit, and places the majority of the deficit on the shoulders of government workers alone.”
Gee, Adam, the reason for ANY deficit is that government spends more money then they take it. They need to do one of three things to correct that:
1. Employ less people.
2. Buy fewer things.
3. Increase revenue.
There are NO other options.
follow up?
March 31st, 2011
11:50 am
3 pages ago, George W, when presented with the link he requested concerning BO’s birth certificate, made mention that it proves nothing and is still in question. Adam asked what it was specifically that George W found in question. George W has addressed every topic since except this one….
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
11:51 am
Getalife:
I agree. In the 40s and 50s Theodor Adorno developed the concept of the “authoritarian personality”. But can you imagine the hue and cry from the usual suspects if we insisted on specifically labeling the relationship between mental illness and conservativism in our university courses?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:52 am
@@,
”If everyone else is jumping off a cliff, would you follow?”
Life is all about choices.
I chose how to live my life.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
11:52 am
**why has China or India become a juggernaut in the last 20 years?**
Yeah, that’s the ticket jm, why don’t we pay our workers $2 per hour and let them work 80 hours for their $160, then we could be a great county again..
WOW
March 31st, 2011
11:52 am
Bye Bye, Carter 2.0
Poll: Voters don’t approve of Libya; Obama gets lowest approval numbers ever
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/poll-voters-dont-approve-libya-obama-gets-lowest-approval-numbers
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:53 am
I wonder what strain of pot getalife smokes…… they probably shouldn’t ever legalize that version…
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:54 am
“authoritarian personality”
one of those residing in the WH right now actually
Mick
March 31st, 2011
11:55 am
**Bye Bye, Carter 2.0**
And which repub is going to beat him, bachman? newt? marco rubio?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:56 am
left wing,
“But can you imagine the hue and cry from the usual suspects if we insisted on specifically labeling the relationship between mental illness and conservativism in our university courses?”
Of course, they are sick in the head.
It would make a fascinating course to analyze their minds.
They can slice their brains like with football head injuries.
Drugs to treat this disorder would be very profitable because there are many sick cons in the world.
willie lynch
March 31st, 2011
11:57 am
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:35 am
I don’t know what world you live in but I have reduced my staffing by 35% and I really can’t see a need to bring them back. The last sixteen month’s we have posted the strongest profits the company has seen. Why would I add payroll costs when I don’t have to.
Normal
March 31st, 2011
11:57 am
Mick
March 31st, 2011
11:52 am
**why has China or India become a juggernaut in the last 20 years?**
You are correct Mick, and the last time I looked, China and India call the shots in commerce, unlike here…
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:57 am
Mick 11:55 – Romney stands a pretty good chance I think. Or Huntsman (as a dark horse to win the primary)
George W
March 31st, 2011
11:57 am
@@….it was actually her father…..
getalife
March 31st, 2011
11:57 am
“And which repub is going to beat him, bachman? newt? marco rubio?”
That is hilarious Mick.
The adults will remain in charge.
Normal
March 31st, 2011
11:59 am
The Washington Examiner…hah, and you yell at me for watching Maddow. WOW, you are truly a trip, just sayin’…
jm
March 31st, 2011
11:59 am
March 31 (Bloomberg) — Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., said Treasuries “have little value” because of the growing U.S. debt burden.
The U.S. has unrecorded debt of $75 trillion, or close to 500 percent of gross domestic product, counting what it owes on its bonds plus obligations for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, Gross wrote in his monthly investment outlook. The U.S. will experience inflation, currency devaluation and low-to- negative interest rates after accounting for consumer-price gains if it doesn’t reform its entitlement programs, he said.
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601010&sid=aYS81nue3e3s
Paul
March 31st, 2011
12:00 pm
SoCom
Weather’s very cool, heading for the driest March on record.
Legislature-proposed budget cuts in healthcare and for schools has people up in arms. What they don’t realize (or won’t admit) is they voted for and returned to office the same Republicans who gave us our $21 billion deficit and told us they were going to cut these programs.
Meanwhile, our governor continues his book tour, getting warm receptions at conservative conventions with his “I hate Washington but I’ll take their stim money to win reelection” speech.
Some voters never learn -
Finn McCool
March 31st, 2011
12:00 pm
Let’s get one more poppy harvest in the bag and then clear out.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:00 pm
jm
Romney will be eaten alive by his own party, Huntsman better start now and get his pr going. It will probably be huckabee, a very close election looms. The dems will turnout in record numbers most likely because of all the loony repub governors shenanigans…
WOW
March 31st, 2011
12:00 pm
Ok Normal, how’s about this one?
Poll: Obama’s approval hits new low
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52208.html
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
12:01 pm
“The adults will remain in charge.”
You mean the GOP House?
Because that’s who actually has most of the power in this version of government right now.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
12:02 pm
“And which repub is going to beat him, bachman? newt? marco rubio?”
Whichever candidate is chosen, Mick. But please, mock, laugh etc because like 2010, 2012 is gonna be fun to watch all the dead beat welfare baby mamas cry in their welfare envelopes as their cult leader exits the White House door.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:03 pm
daffy’s son dealt with many companies here and acorn er acon gave him an internship.
Now he is ki lling his own people.
corporate is out of control.
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:03 pm
Mick 12:00 – no doubt it will be a hard slog for anyone. There’s so many contenders (and pretenders) that the field is too crowded to get a sense of what’s going on right now. I’d say we won’t have much idea of what’s going on until at least 1/2 way through the primaries.
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:04 pm
Dave R 12:01 – I wish, but not the case. Obama has the veto pen and that is worth a ton.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:05 pm
Getalife:
I chose how to live my life.
As long as I don’t have to pay for the consequences of those mistakes…feel free.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:05 pm
**Some voters never learn**
My god, ain’t that the friggin truth? Cut, cut, cut and by the way let’s make sure the wealthy still have their tax cuts, who cares about the schools, police or fire those gov’t slouchers…those wealthy folk deserve it all, leave them alone!!!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:06 pm
Dave,
What has the gop house done?
Passed stupid laws that will never make it past the senate or President.
You voted for failure and think you are right.
You are sick dude.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:06 pm
‘Scuse me, Getalife.
As long as I don’t have to pay for the consequence of your CHOICES…feel free.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
12:07 pm
Careful Mick, your wealth envy is showing.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:07 pm
Mick….the top 1 percent earn 19% of the income in this country yet they pay 41% of the taxes……care to explain that “evil rich” comment?
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:08 pm
Getalife….”Passed stupid laws that will never make it past the senate or President.”
And who is at fault here?
Normal
March 31st, 2011
12:08 pm
WOW, Nope. Politico is a Rubublican biased newspaper as stated in its own mission statement.
I read Politico as I read Huff puff. Usually the truth lies between the two. I have learned in my old age never to look at just one side of a disagreement. You avoid being blindsided that way…you should try it too. It WILL educate you, just sayin’
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:08 pm
“As long as I don’t have to pay for the consequences of those mistakes…feel free.”
No, I take personal responsibility for my choices.
You cons should try that sometime.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:08 pm
wow
Don’t count your eggs before they hatch, this will be a presidential election year and the dems will turn out in force, mostly thanks to all these repub governors idiocy. Since you like polls so much, one poll has rick scott losing to his challenger alex sink by 19 points if there were a do over. He has lost the people…
TaxPayer
March 31st, 2011
12:09 pm
The U.S. has unrecorded debt of $75 trillion
Keeping all that off the books! How do they do it. And where does all the unrecorded interest on that unrecorded debt come from, undocumented workers with faux social security numbers.
USMC dawg
March 31st, 2011
12:09 pm
Jay Bookman is slowly turning me over to the “Dark Side”:-)
It all started when I attended his “The real State of the Union” a couple of months ago at the Horizon Theatre in Little 5.
My Liberal Spidey senses are tingling when I see an article like this…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704530204576233170859101198.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel_1
Who needs a home this big with all of the “CRAP” and gadgets, etc.?
I know I sound like a good little Bolshevic… What’s wrong with me?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:09 pm
w,
In your sick mind, never your party.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:10 pm
getalife…..yep you are right the repubs are not the party of self control and personal responsiblity…..that is why we just love medicare, welfare, food stamps, WIC and other programs that promote self responsibility……hahahahah great post!
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:10 pm
** “evil rich**
Your words, not mine. Simply, they can afford to pay 3 or 4% more and still have their rolls roycer corniche parked out front..
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
12:12 pm
jm: “authoritarian personality” / one of those residing in the WH right now actually
Nope. He’s about as opposed to that as you can get, to a fault in fact. As I said above, he’s not only willing to entertain and include the views of those with opposed views, he seems to downright relish it.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:12 pm
Getalife…..you actually make me laugh outloud…..you remind me of “Elmer Fud”…..”Those wrasckly repubs cons….imma gonna get that wraskley wabbit!!!”
hahahaha
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:12 pm
Mick….why should they/we pay more if there are people in this country who either dont contribute or actually get refunds when they dont pay at all?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
12:12 pm
A sick dude, getalife, is someone who thinks that they are entitled to a portion of my hard work because they think I have too much.
A sick dude is someone who thinks that what anyone makes is any of their business.
A sick dude is someone who tries to treat anyone differently because of the color of their skin, their sexual orientation or their gender.
A sick dude is someone who thinks that a government knows better than I do about how to live my life and protect my family.
I am many things you can never, ever hope to achieve, getalife, but a “sick dude” is not one of them.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:13 pm
Getalife:
No, I take personal responsibility for my choices.
Perhaps you do. Me too!
The problems begins when government begins to tell us we should share responsibility.
My take? It depends…if somebody’s making bad choices, they’re on their own. What better way to learn, I say?
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:13 pm
usmc
Nice shack for a family the size of a platoon..other than that, opulent overkill….
WOW
March 31st, 2011
12:13 pm
“Don’t count your eggs before they hatch, this will be a presidential election year and the dems will turn out in force, mostly thanks to all these repub governors idiocy.”
Those governors aren’t up for re-election, Mick and neither are the senators from the House. I’m sure the Dems will turn out in force but so will the independents who left the democrat party and a whole slew of Republican voters.
“Since you like polls so much, one poll has rick scott losing to his challenger alex sink by 19 points if there were a do over. He has lost the people…”
LOL!!!!! A do over???????? LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s all you got, Mick? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:16 pm
georg
Why are you so hung up about the poor and what they don’t pay? Here’s a clue, they don’t have any money!!!! The rich on the other hand can probably stand to spare an extra nickel – get it?
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:16 pm
Poor George, even when he did something right, he couldn’t help but f it up.
He goes into Afghanistan and smokes a whole boatload of Taliban ass. And I cheered him on. But then the toy soldier made the ultimate mistake – he stayed! In the Graveyard of Empires, he dicked around halfheartedly for years on end, botched getting OBL, lost interest and created an even bigger clusterf&ck in the wrong country.
And what is it with all the blogging cons here?
By an overwhelming percentage they are little Dick Cheneys. They talk real warrior tough, but they never found an AFEES station they couldn’t avoid.
And just for my obsessed little free-speech fraud…
And the crowd goes crazy!
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:17 pm
**LOL!!!!! A do over???????? LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s all you got, Mick? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL**
Good enough for me, here you can take rick scott, nobody else seems to want him….
I Yam What I Yam
March 31st, 2011
12:17 pm
I am many things you can never, ever hope to achieve, getalife, but a “sick dude” is not one of them.
I’ve read that a couple of times and I have to wonder if it came out as originally intended. Who am I to judge though.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:18 pm
I know you are sick in the head because after your hero w destroyed our economy and country, the only thing you admitted he did wrong was spending too much.
@@,
But corporate gaming our system is fine with you cons.
You love corporate welfare.
That makes you a hypocrite @@.
Can you see that ?
Can you admit it?
Are you sick too @@?
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
12:18 pm
“They talk real warrior tough, but they never found an AFEES station they couldn’t avoid.”
Thanks for reminding me about an AFEES station, AmVet. You are such a downer.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:19 pm
USMCDawg:
Who needs a home this big with all of the “CRAP” and gadgets, etc.?
Truett Cathy of Chic-fil-a has a modest brick ranch near where I live. Lots of land but a modest home. Thank goodness he doesn’t raise chickens on the land. He’s in the cattle business.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:20 pm
Mick….why are you SO consumed with the Rich and the fact that they pay too much???
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
12:20 pm
“I know you are sick in the head because after 30 years of failed liberal Congressional policies destroyed our economy and country”
Fixed your typo again, getalife. Pay attention, please.
Paulo977
March 31st, 2011
12:21 pm
Jay
“It’s time to start drawing down. It’s time to start handing Afghanistan’s fate back to its people” Of course … we have paid in lives for what we did by creating alqaeda there .
I Yam What I Yam
March 31st, 2011
12:21 pm
When I go out to buy insurance, I am always confronted with the task of determining how much to buy and as it turns out, the more you insure, the more it costs. So, if I wanted to insure a billion dollars worth of stuff, money or stocks or bonds or paintings or even my ass, then I am going to pay more for that insurance than someone else would pay for their net worth of say five thousand dollars. I know it’s wrong but it is just the way it is.
I Yam What I Yam
March 31st, 2011
12:22 pm
George W has poor envy.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:22 pm
Dave ,
Make no mistake, you are sick.
I can see it from my house like palin..
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:23 pm
Mick 12:16 – don’t worry. Soon enough we’ll all be millionaires
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:24 pm
I Yam….you are right I long to be a poor welching thug on our society!
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:24 pm
Dave, it’s just a talent I have!
I remember as a 17 year old, standing in that place in Denver, raising my right hand and taking that sacred oath, and wondering, “Oh lord, what have I got myself into?!”
And then the fun really began.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:24 pm
getalife…..you have yet to make a valid point. Just more name calling.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
12:24 pm
I noticed there was very, very, very little talk of the rich paying too much until AFTER the top-tier rates were reduced by a couple of points -
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
Getalife:
Corporations? I’m for eliminating some subsidies and tax breaks but let’s face it….I’d hate to be beholden to government for a job.
Business and consumers is the way to go. There’s nothing entrepreneurial about government. All they do is rotate the same old inventory.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
AmVet…..as a 17 year old? You have to be 18 to be sworn in.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
“And just for my obsessed little free-speech fraud…”
It’s interesting that Jay allows you to name call and spew bigoted remarks towards white people yet he’s limited me to 15 posts/column because I angered the left wingers.
Funny how that whole “free speech” works for one side but not the other.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
Some voters never learn
Paul
I think you just penned the bumper sticker for all of 2012!!!! I think what you’re seeing in Texas and pretty much everywhere is the fruit ripening from the “starve the beast” philosophy from the 1980’s. By continuously cutting the money coming in to government coffers, there is now a serious fiscal crisis brewing. It probably could have been averted by simply not cutting income, but it’s too late to argue that now. We have to deal with the present, and hope that it positively affects the future. We can’t change the past.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
w,
“poor welching thug on our society!”
You are.
You don’t have a job unless it is trolling on lib blogs.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
@@….trust me he will never get it.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
12:28 pm
George W , I like your analogy, but I find most Liberals like Wiley E. Coyote.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
12:28 pm
SoCom
Hold that for Bosch, please. He can have the t-shirt proceeds.
Kinda gets me, people pay less fed rates but feel as if they’re at historical highs. A good part of the blame, though, I think goes to what N-GA and AmVet have pointed out – the great rise in state and local taxes.
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:29 pm
Deep….agreed.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
@@,
“Corporations? I’m for eliminating some subsidies and tax breaks”
So, you would keep some welfare for the people since you want to cut some corporate welfare.
M. Zelenz
March 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
Of course bring them home…with a little layover at Libya.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:32 pm
Paul:
…the great rise in state and local taxes.
And I can more easily live with that ’cause it’s closer to where I live. I have more influence there.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
12:32 pm
SoCom
“Some voters never learn”
Our gov’s going into his third term. Next election, I think we Texans need a bumper sticker or t-shirt with his smiling face on it and underneath the caption “Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on me”
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:32 pm
“You have to be 18 to be sworn in.”
Unbelievable.
But your streak is still intact…
Del
March 31st, 2011
12:34 pm
With parental permission you can enlist in the military. I presume it’s still that way.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
12:34 pm
@@
And even at the local level, it’s amazing how many do not vote.
AmVet 12:32
Don’tcha’ just love consistency?
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:34 pm
Getalife:
So, you would keep some welfare for the people since you want to cut some corporate welfare.
Corporations strive for success. Not all individuals do. If they’re happy with what they have, fine. If not, I can’t help ‘em.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
12:34 pm
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:24 pm
Same for me,except I was here in Atlanta!
Del
March 31st, 2011
12:34 pm
Correction my last…at 17 you can enlist
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:35 pm
Paul, I cannot figure out if it is a curse or a blessing.
Help! Help!
The Con Cult of Victimhood is being repressed!
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:36 pm
glad he’s so optimistic. I wonder if ATL is on that list
CEO Jamie Dimon said Wednesday that about 100 municipalities won’t “make it” out of debt. But don’t panic, Jamie advised, it’s not “going to shatter America.”
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:36 pm
“Don’tcha’ just love consistency?”
Yup.
Like welfare.
If you don’t want it for the people then you should not want it for corporate.
Right cons?
Paul
March 31st, 2011
12:37 pm
Del
We knew what you meant.
Not everyone thinks they ‘win’ by pointing out unimportant typos when the meaning is clear.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
12:37 pm
Anyone hear from Amvet today? Oh well his rants are so insignificant and so far out there, it’s really nice not seeing his dribble.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
12:38 pm
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
I’m not AmVet but I was sworn in when I was 17 like he was. Just sayin…..
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:40 pm
Also, Obama’s home state.
The state most likely to default? Not California, say swaps
Cost of insuring bonds from the Land of Lincoln surging; budget gap the size of Lake Michigan
http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20101228/FREE/101229951
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:41 pm
Yoo hoo! Deep Doo Doo!
I’m over here!
Do you walk into glass doors a lot?
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
12:41 pm
George W,
You can enlist at 17 with your parent’s written approval.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:41 pm
Paul:
My husband takes every opportunity to encourage people to vote…
Conservative.
My job? I zip off e-mails threatening revolt against our representatives. I’ve no doubt, our (mine and my husband’s) opponents counteract with their own. If our state gets too weighted down, we’re mobile.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:43 pm
w will never admit he was wrong.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
12:45 pm
jm: Cost of insuring bonds from the Land of Lincoln surging; budget gap the size of Lake Michigan
Your link appears to be subscription only. Give us a passage perhaps?
No, Illinois is in better shape than many other suffering states after recently passing tax hikes. I would certainly bet on it faring better in overcoming its budget woes than some of its anti-tax-at-all-cost states like Texas.
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:45 pm
GA bond ratings AAA. Awesome.
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:46 pm
LWM 12:45 – weird. When I pulled it up through google I got to it free (I don’t have a subscription). Maybe search for it through google and get to it free?
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:46 pm
I actually did not know that. I stand corrected.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
12:46 pm
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
12:41 pm
Only 1 parent needs to sign a form to enlist at 17.
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:47 pm
LWM 12:45 – RE TX. TX has plenty of room to increase taxes as necessary and have a lower debt load I believe. Meaning, sucks to close the budget gap with tax increases, but it won’t make them uncompetitive. IL on the other hand….
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:47 pm
Real…..thank you for your service.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
12:48 pm
Whistle———whistle whistle, who was that democrat going around boasting about his military service to drum up votes and it was all false, reminds me of some people on this blog. In the famous words of the Libs on this blog, show me the proof you serve.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:49 pm
What you think you know is always wrong w.
Good to see you finally admit it.
Did it hurt you to admit you are always wrong?
It was very obvious too us sane folks.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:49 pm
Famous people born on this day:
1596, Rene Descartes, he thought, therefore he was.
1732, Joseph Haydn, composer, helped develop the Classical style.
1809, Edward FitzGerald, writer, “Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.”
And in honor of that first birthday…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1MgCV6uGuc
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
12:50 pm
I can see both sides of the argument here. On the one hand I can see pulling out for the simple reason that to my knowledge a guerilla movement operating freely from another sovereign nation has never been defeated. They can simply outwait us.
If the Afghan security forces are strong enough to handle their own security then lets start drawing down. If they will be strong enough with a year or 2 or even 3-5 years then we stick around and keep training them until they can fend for themselves. At that point we leave.
My only point on staying is that if they’re not ready now then we need to spend just a few more years rapidly ramping up their security forces to the point that they can handle the taliban. After that we then provide military support such as air support if the Taliban ever trys to retake the country in a conventional type war.
RW-(the original)
March 31st, 2011
12:50 pm
Debating amvet’s military “career” again?
Let me offer a few details. He has said this career was two years in the Air Force that included the summer of 1976. He has said he joined at 17 and he’s said he was born in 1955.
Pretty difficult for all those things to be true, but what do I know. I wasn’t a math major.
/d..b..
And Happy Opening Day!
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:50 pm
Atlanta’s bond rating is only single A. Which explains why Reed is fighting so hard to fix the messy pension problem here. That’s only one step above junk.
LOL LOL LOL
March 31st, 2011
12:50 pm
“I actually did not know that. I stand corrected.”
“MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”
Del
March 31st, 2011
12:52 pm
I enlisted at 18 and after my first 24 hours at Parris Island, I had a momentary daydream wandering if I could de-enlist. About at that same time I had a senior drill instructor screaming in my ear and I got my answer.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:52 pm
Left wing management:
Just about all the leftist run states are seeing a decline in population. Higher taxes, less people?
It’ll be interesting to see how THAT pans out.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:52 pm
“And Happy Opening Day!”
Go Braves!
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
You are welcome George W,and I miss you!
patriot
March 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
You didn’t actually think this would end just because you were stupid enough to elect Obama president did you? He is owned by the global elites and the military industrial complex, just like every president. He will do whatever they want, and what they want is to continue raking in the bucks from our failed empire building experiments abroad. You could have voted for Ron Paul and everyone would be home by now, but instead you failed the test.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
Real scooter,
Yeah. I knew also that you only need 1 parent to sign. I just wrote parent’s approval because I normally operate under the assumption that kids grow up in 2 parent families. That is obviously a foolish assumption today given our nation’s out of wedlock birth rate- particularly in the black community.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
paul
I was hoping kinky would get the nod in texas. If for nothing else for entertainment value. His platform wasn’t that bad actually, couldn’t be any worse than the poser thats in there now…
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
Health report: Cellphone Radiation May Alter Your Brain. Let’s Talk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/technology/personaltech/31basics.html
The massive expansion of cell phone use in the late 2000’s probably explains Obama’s win. The expanse of mind-altered loonies in this country has just gone way up.
-just kidding folks-
George W
March 31st, 2011
12:55 pm
Getalife….”always wrong” you are a bumbling fool!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:55 pm
Handle the taliban?
Yeah right doom.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:55 pm
Geez! I’m lousy at math, but even I can see that AmVet’s “mistaken” shall we say?
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
The greatest failure of modern American foreign policy regarding using our military?
They have it completely backwards.
They seem to believe that the local people doing 20% of the hard work and our troops doing 80% is the winning strategy…
Re, that 2nd 12:50
????
The stalker is beyond bizarre…
getalife
March 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
w,
Nobody likes a sore loser.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
RW, you know people who make up stories screw up, be it wrong place, time , people , always some little detail they miss or get wrong.
Oh well, I have not heard from the babbling idiot known as Amvet today.
jm
March 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
getalife 12:52 – happy middle ground on that one.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
12:57 pm
Paul @ 12:32
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!! I don’t think the voters are really being fooled. Some are probably just into S&M and don’t want to be honest with themselves.
A good part of the blame, though, I think goes to what N-GA and AmVet have pointed out – the great rise in state and local taxes.
Yet, all the blame gets laid at the feet of those in DC, sometimes by the very people who are guilty of doing it on the state/local level. Actions have consequences. When you want to cut federal spending, it also cuts the amount that feds send to the states. To make up for the loss, the states increase their taxes. As I said earlier, sometimes the best remedy is to just leave everything alone in the first place.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:57 pm
AmVet’s favorite term, “faketriot” is now rattling thru my brain.
Bob
March 31st, 2011
12:58 pm
Carlosgvv, why do you mention McCain when this came up ? I thought Obama won, at least he told McCain that but you can ignore the fact that Obama has more control over this than McCain. And it was not McCain that sent our guys to Libya was it ?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
12:59 pm
That is obviously a foolish assumption today given our nation’s out of wedlock birth rate- particularly in the black community.
Yet, MTV has a show that shows unwed teen mothers, and every last one of them live in the black community.
@@
March 31st, 2011
12:59 pm
“Externalizing” too.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
“He is owned by the global elites and the military industrial complex, just like every president.”
BINGO!
Before he was even elected, I said the same thing, patriot. While the ever-clueless cons said he was the most liberal man in the history of the universe! And the clueless libs thought he really was gonna champion the little guy in this country.
Hello?
As for that 3rd 12:55, make it dual stalkers.
And dual buffoons…
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
1:01 pm
RW-(the original)
March 31st, 2011
12:50 pm
Debating amvet’s military “career” again?
Let me offer a few details. He has said this career was two years in the Air Force that included the summer of 1976. He has said he joined at 17 and he’s said he was born in 1955.
Pretty difficult for all those things to be true, but what do I know. I wasn’t a math major.
RW,
RW that is indeed some fuzzy math. Someone got some splaining to do. Hard not to know exactly what your enlistment dates are and not be able to reconcile such an important part of one’s life. My enlistment was May 1985.
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:01 pm
Of note, Obama not throwing any pitch today. Wonder if they figured out he was not likely to be in front of a favorable audience…..
@@
March 31st, 2011
1:01 pm
And when he’s caught, AmVet will always resort to name calling.
I LUV IT….I DO!!!!!
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
1:01 pm
Well, the trifecta of never-served stooges has spoken.
I’m “mistaken” about my own military service.
Silly trolls…
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:03 pm
Southern…..72% WOW
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
1:03 pm
@@: “Just about all the leftist run states are seeing a decline in population. Higher taxes, less people?”
I’m really not sure what you mean by a “leftist run” state. Just as you have to maintain revenue to run a profitable business, the idea that you have to raise taxes to meet revenue strikes me as common good sense, not “leftist” or “rightist”.
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:03 pm
is this a misplace – misdated april fool’s, or for real?
President Obama finally and quietly accepted his “transparency” award from the open government community this week — in a closed, undisclosed meeting at the White House on Monday.
The secret presentation happened almost two weeks after the White House inexplicably postponed the ceremony, which was expected to be open to the press pool.
This time, Obama met quietly in the Oval Office with Gary Bass of OMB Watch, Tom Blanton of the National Security Archive, Danielle Brian of the Project on Government Oversight, Lucy Dalglish of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and Patrice McDermott of OpenTheGovernment.org, without disclosing the meeting on his public schedule or letting photographers or print reporters into the room.
“Our understanding going into the meeting was that it would have a pool photographer and a print reporter, and it turned out to be a private meeting,” Bass told POLITICO. “He was so on point, so on target in the conversation with us, it is baffling why he would not want that message to be more broadly heard by reporters and the public interest community and the public generally.”
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0311/not_a_secret_anymore_a00ccd98-0d9e-4822-8936-168f3a51b959.html
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:04 pm
what a joke. this is real….
But others believed the positive reinforcement was more than a little unnecessary.
“I don’t feel moved today to say ‘thank you, Mr. President,’” said Steve Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. But he said he understands the award to be “aspirational,” in recognition of Obama’s potential to do more on the transparency front.
“And in that sense, one could say it resembles the award at the Nobel Peace Prize,” Aftergood said. “It’s not because Obama brought peace to anyone but because people hoped he would be a force for good in the world, and maybe that’s the way to understand this award.”
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
1:05 pm
The bottom line and my last post regarding educating you braindead stalkers is that RW is a liar.
Unless the clown can show where I’ve ever written that I served 2 years in uniform.
Hint, dumbasses, I was 17.
I wasn’t drafted.
@@
March 31st, 2011
1:05 pm
AmVet:
I only used the word “mistaken” to avoid name calling.
You’ve been outed once again. You’ve made a HUGE mistake!!!!!
Hilarious!
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:06 pm
Stephen Strasburg isn’t the only pitcher who will be missing from the mound when the Washington Nationals host the Atlanta Braves this afternoon to open the 2011 Major League Baseball season. President Barack Obama won’t be on hand to throw out the ceremonial first pitch either.
Like Strasburg, the 22-year-old phenom who underwent Tommy John surgery in September to repair ligament damage in his right elbow, Obama may be letting his wounds heal. The president got a PR pummeling earlier this month for taking time away from world affairs to appear on ESPN to reveal his March Madness basketball picks.
Or perhaps the president is still sensitive after the national chortling he set off when he appeared in his high-waisted “dad jeans” at an earlier All-Star Game — although he seemed to make up for that fashion flub at last year’s home opener when he sported khaki trousers, a red Nats jacket and a Chicago White Sox cap as he launched a high toss in the direction of Ryan Zimmerman.
Another possibility is that Obama’s absence could be calculated to avoid a possible boo beatdown from fans unhappy with … well, pick your gripe. It wouldn’t be the first time a baseball crowd heckled a president: As the Great Depression and Prohibition dragged on in the early ‘30s, Herbert Hoover was verbally roughed up at a World Series game in Philadelphia by a crowd that chanted “We want beer!”
Whatever the reason for Obama’s absence, he is departing from a largely unbroken, century-old tradition that began with William Howard Taft on opening day 1910 when the hometown Senators took on the Philadelphia Athletics. (The Senators won, 3-0, as Walter Johnson fired a one-hitter.) For you trivia fans, the first president to take the show on the road was Richard Nixon, who launched the 1973 season from Anaheim Stadium, home of the California Angels. (They won, too, 3-2.)
This isn’t Obama’s first whiff. He skipped out on the 2009 opener as well, sending Joe Biden to Baltimore in his place. In characteristic fashion, Biden trotted to and from the mound like a JV player getting his big break.
In Obama’s (and Biden’s) place this year, the Nationals will have five flag officers — one from each branch of the U.S. military — throw the ceremonial first pitches. It’s safe to say no one will boo them.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:06 pm
Jay….please tell AMVET to watch his language.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
1:06 pm
jm,
I had season tickets so I am a big fan of the Braves.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
1:07 pm
RW, I get it ( ding ding ding ) Amvets so out of touch he don’t even know what year it is. I wish he would get on the blog some time today so we can ask him to explain, but then, do we want to read his babble.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
1:07 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
12:59 pm
That is obviously a foolish assumption today given our nation’s out of wedlock birth rate- particularly in the black community.
Yet, MTV has a show that shows unwed teen mothers, and every last one of them live in the black community- Southern Comfort
Southern Comfort,
The MTV reality show about tv moms features just about all teenage white girls- true enough. But that’s because they’re aiming at the much larger white teenager tv market. One reality tv show is not going to present an accurate big picture of the nation as a whole.
In reality the stats are that nearly 70% of all black children today are now born out of wedlock- an easily verifiable stat. But white out of wedlock birthrates are also climbing and I believe now are at around 25% and maybe even as high as 30%. It should be disturbing to people of both races but as our culture declines it is not. It is now a regrettably acceptable social norm.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:07 pm
“Make no mistake, you are sick.”
As if your opinion of me is either accurate, or valued, getalife.
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:07 pm
I think Obama can’t throw a baseball…. (especially with all the bulletproof cr-p he has to wear underneath)
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
1:08 pm
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
1:08 pm
Almost ten years after w’s Office of Strategic Influence and silly cons are whinging about transparency.
Too funny.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
1:08 pm
“Jay….please tell AMVET to watch his language.”
Crybaby like your speaker.
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:09 pm
so much for ATL’s civil rights museum….
Facing criticism on racial issues, Haley Barbour makes a new push to fund a civil rights museum.
@@
March 31st, 2011
1:10 pm
Left wing management:
Some people AND businesses find that over-taxation can be burdensome. When that happens, they move. When that happens, there’s fewer people on which more taxes will be levied to provide government services. One could argue “the fewer people, the less need for government services.” Problem is government never sees it that way….cuts into their profitability. Gawd forbid they should ever be seen as useless.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
1:10 pm
It’s time to load ‘em up and move ‘em out!!!!!!!!!!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
1:10 pm
George
I didn’t say there was not a problem in the Black community. However, to make it seem like the problem with out-of-wedlock births is a “Black” problem is a bit of intellectual dishonesty, which seems to be the flavor-de-jour amongst certain conservatives that blog here.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:10 pm
getalife….you still have yet to post any facts. hahaha dude you make it to easy.
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:11 pm
over and out
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:11 pm
Southern…..the problem does exist on both sides….however 72% versus 26%???
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
1:11 pm
Amvet, you’re just mad over your career crash and failure as a mime.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
1:12 pm
Here is a fact w.
You are sick in the head and always wrong.
At least you are consistently wrong.
We can count on it.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:13 pm
Getalife……great post!!! Now prove it.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
1:14 pm
Southern Comfort,
The out of wedlock problem is a nationwide cultural problem- at least among blacks and to a lesser degree amongst whites. The hard data doesn’t lie 70% vs 26%- Its a problem in both cultures. Its just that its significantly worse in the black community.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
1:14 pm
@@
“If our state gets too weighted down, we’re mobile.”
Some people do have options. For those who don’t, when time passes, they just might.
George W
“I actually did not know that. I stand corrected”
We could use more of your example. I’m surprised how many bloggers there are who know everything and never need to stand corrected -
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:15 pm
“While the ever-clueless cons said he was the most liberal man in the history of the universe! And the clueless libs thought he really was gonna champion the little guy in this country.”
Maybe that just proves my belief that he is the least qualified person to ever hold the office of President if he can’t make either side happy with him.
I love it when I’m right! (which is why I’m such a happy fella most of the time)
Paul
March 31st, 2011
1:15 pm
Mick
Once Kinky got thru his five minutes of schtick he made more sense than almost anyone else running.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:16 pm
First on the . . . er, 12th?
Yipeee . . . .
Jay
March 31st, 2011
1:17 pm
Braves up 1-0.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:17 pm
GO CHIPPER!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:17 pm
” I’m surprised how many bloggers there are who know everything and never need to stand corrected . . .”
Paul, I once thought I had made a mistake, but then I found out I was wrong about that.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
1:18 pm
Doom
Much of that rate can be attributed to single women who decide they want to have a child. Try as you might to paint that 70% as something negative, you’re trying to do it to the wrong person. I live in the Black community, and I have friends who decided to have children because they wanted to have kids, but have no intention of getting married.
Lil' Barry Bailout
March 31st, 2011
1:18 pm
There should be no doubt about who is in charge of the military. Any soldiers, Marines, or sailors still in Ashcanistan are there because the Idiot Messiah wants them there.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:19 pm
Southern….come on man even the black community is admitting it is a problem. 72%? And you dont think there is a problem?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
1:19 pm
George & Doom
That 70% is a crock of sh*t as it does not discern between adults who decide to have a child on their own versus an accidental pregnancy.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
1:20 pm
Go marlins – well maybe….truth alert…fair weather baseball fan..will only attend games once in a blue moon and almost never watch on tv….football is just so much more tv friendly…
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
1:21 pm
geatlife and Paul, get a load of my stalkers, huh?
Reduced to lying about a veteran’s service?
Four blogging disgraces.
Support the Troops.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:22 pm
Southern…..agreed…but even those who planned the pregnancy does mean it was a good idea or that we are not paying for it. Or that they have the means to support that child.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
1:22 pm
Paul ” I’m surprised how many bloggers there are who know everything and never need to stand corrected . . .”
I made a mistake earlier today, I thought Paul might say something intelligent, but, I was wrong.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
1:23 pm
amvet
Especially when its people who haven’t had a five o’clock wakeup for four years…
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:23 pm
That’s because you National Leagers need to adopt the designated hitter like the American League did, Mick. The extra punch in offense helps the watchability of the game. I realize it is sacrelidge to some, but I like it just the same.
Deep Throat
March 31st, 2011
1:26 pm
Amvet, where have you been all day ? A little advice, you need to VET your on story before hand, once you have been outed its to late to just get mad and call people names and cast insults.
HDB
March 31st, 2011
1:26 pm
Harry Callahan
March 31st, 2011
11:05 am
Harry….the counter to your statement is:
“The roots of conservatism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the conservative mind,” he says. “When the modern conservative mind CREATES imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the conservative mind becomes painfully obvious….and speaks volumes.”
Mick
March 31st, 2011
1:26 pm
sc
Some things that are written here do not add one iota to the debate. Rather, sterotyping and prejudice give the feeling of superiority, which is their fools gold…
@@
March 31st, 2011
1:26 pm
SoCo:
I have no problem with single women choosing to have children. Biological clocks and the absence of eligible father material forces women to seek alternatives. The problem comes when women who are incapable of providing see it as an option for them too.
Young and impressionable minds look up to celebrities who are choosing the alternative path. Young and impressionable minds don’t, and probably never will, make millions of dollars. The celebrities aren’t thinking about the message they’re sending.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
1:26 pm
@Thulsa Doom
Here is a link to refute the misinformation that you have been exposed to.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm
@@
March 31st, 2011
1:27 pm
There’s a reason why teenagers aren’t allowed to adopt.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:27 pm
Deep Throat, I hate to clue you in, but while Paul might lean a bit too left for my taste (and not nearly as far as some on this blog), he always tries to make an intelligent argument about the topic du jour.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:28 pm
Southern….41% of single mother Black families are living in poverty compared to only 7 percent of married-couple Black families.
Interesting eh?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
1:28 pm
but even those who planned the pregnancy does mean it was a good idea or that we are not paying for it. Or that they have the means to support that child.
Pure Bullsh*t. So you’re saying that a professional, mid-30’s female who wants to have a child on her own is going to make us pay for it? That it’s not a good idea? She doesn’t have the means to support her child?
You obviously don’t know jack sh*t about the “Black” community other than what you read or see on tv. From your link:
“It’s all connected. The question should be, how has the black family survived at all?” says Maria Kefalas, co-author of “Promises I Can Keep: Why Poor Women Put Motherhood Before Marriage.”
The book is based on interviews with 162 low-income single mothers. One of its conclusions is that these women see motherhood as one of life’s most fulfilling roles — a rare opportunity for love and joy, husband or no husband.
What about the middle class or even rich women who decide to have children on their own? Trying to oversimplify something to make a point is garbage. When you produce a statistic that doesn’t include the people who decide to have a child on their own, then talk to me about the problem. There is a problem, but it’s no different from the White community.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:30 pm
Southern……just look at the facts…..not my numbers.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:33 pm
HEYWARD HOMERED!
Normal
March 31st, 2011
1:34 pm
Braves who?
I’d rather see a President work on domestic problems first and then try to save the world.
I used to think that if you really wanted to get something done, the POTUS would be a world affair President and the VPOTUS would be the Domestic President. Let the Vice President focus on the economy, infrastructure, etc. and let the President focus on China, NK, oil, Lybia, etc. I think it would work. Just imagine…
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
1:34 pm
@Southern Comfort
These folks that argue with you about what is going on in the black community have never lived in the community and have not been black for one day in their lives.
How is it they can find information from “some of their black fiends” that falls so far outside the bounds of rational thought?
How many of the inane assertions can they prove with statiscal facts?
I Yam What I Yam
March 31st, 2011
1:35 pm
Among married families: 5.8% lived in poverty. This number varied by ethnicity with
5.4% of white persons,
8.3% of black persons, and
14.9% of Hispanic persons (of any nationality) living in poverty.
Among single parent families: 26.6% lived in poverty. This number varied by ethnicity with
30% of white persons,
40% of black persons, and
30% of Hispanic persons (of any nationality) living in poverty.
Left wing management
March 31st, 2011
1:35 pm
@@: Some people AND businesses find that over-taxation can be burdensome. When that happens, they move. When that happens, there’s fewer people on which more taxes will be levied to provide government services.
Certainly true but I think it’s greatly overstated. More than burdensome taxation, what’s hurting the states hardest hit by shrinking tax bases – i.e. MI – is the hollowing out of the manufacturing base. A state like IL has fared better and I’m not worried by the flap over Caterpillar. IL raised business taxes (they were already fairly low) as well as personal taxes across the board (necessary), so I’m confident they’re going to be OK in the long run.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
1:35 pm
dave r
Growing up in jersey, this is how life was: In the fall you played football, in the winter you played basketball and bowled, in the spring you played baseball and in the summer you went to the shore and swam. By far, for me, playing baseball was the greatest of all games. I just have great difficulty watching it….
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:35 pm
Jackie I can prove alot!
I Yam What I Yam
March 31st, 2011
1:38 pm
Approximately 43.6 (14.3%) million Americans were living in poverty in 2009, up from 39.8 million (13.2%) in 2008.
No wonder the rich have to pay so much more in taxes. They’re the only ones making any money!
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
1:38 pm
@George W
Present your “proof.”
Don’t talk about it, do about it;
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:39 pm
I YAM….and the only ones paying taxes apparently.
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:39 pm
Jackie…..great website…
http://www.blackdemographics.com/index.html
Normal
March 31st, 2011
1:40 pm
As to single mothers, if the government would just say screw the religious types and pass out contraceptives, maybe we wouldn’t have so many single mothers on the welfare rolls…
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:42 pm
Normal….have you been to the health department lately?
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
1:43 pm
Southern Comfort,
I didn’t say the entire problem in the black community was due to teenage mothers. The last apartment I rented I had a neighbor upstairs- young black kid and his girlfriend. They had a baby out of wedlock together and it seemed like it was planned.
Anyway, they live like a married couple and in a conversation about it he told me that they received food stamps and his girl was on medicaid along with his baby. This guy drove a used lexus and his girl a jeep cherokee. He told me essentially the same thing- that a lot of black women have kids out of wedlock but still live with or see the baby’s father. He didn’t have to say the reason why. I could see it. They did it for the benefits.
So the real reason wasn’t irresponsibility or women just having multiple babies- it was to get benefits paid for by John Q. taxpayer. I like the kid but he didn’t seem to think there was anything wrong with what they were doing. And while I like him I look at our budget deficits and all the people on the dole abusing the system and I think “Is this why I work and pay taxes?”. To support other people’s kids so that the can drive a lexus?
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:44 pm
Caterpillar – if ATL wins caterpillar, that will be awesome and huge….. that would be another red state win!
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:45 pm
jm…..agreed!!
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
1:46 pm
Normal
March 31st, 2011
1:40 pm
They now have a pill for men,you don’t even have to swallow it. Just put it in your shoe and it will make you limp!
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
1:46 pm
Jackie,
Not sure what point you proved to me with that site? What was the point? That there are actually more white families on welfare- 38% to 37% for blacks. That is true. But there are also 6 times as many white people.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
1:46 pm
@@
If people want to reproduce, let them do it regardless to their financial status. That almost makes it seem like people are trying to put requirements on being a mother. If there’s so much concern, then where are the people who are trying to help those who live in poverty “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”? I know you mean well, so I’m not aiming that at you directly, but others barf out crap without providing any solutions. They may as well be the problem.
Southern….41% of single mother Black families are living in poverty compared to only 7 percent of married-couple Black families.
That’s not interesting at all. Drive thru central Alabama or Mississippi, and you’ll understand why. Old money clings to power with every ounce of energy it has. It has nothing to do with race as you’ll find many whites who live in poverty too, depending on what region you choose. Once people open their eyes to that, you’ll see true integration of our society.
I was raised by a single mother, but I also had aunts, uncles, and grandparents there. That’s the part of the equation that those on the outside do not see.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
1:48 pm
I was standing in line at the __________ store just the other day, and this big, fat, __________ lady was talking on her cell phone and all her kids had brand new top-of-the-line __________ sneakers on….
George W
March 31st, 2011
1:49 pm
SOUTHERN….If people want to reproduce, let them do it regardless to their financial status.
Holy crap! Really?? Kind of like “hey lets buy a house for $600k even though I only make $20k per year”. And you wonder why the black community has the problems it does? WOW
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
1:50 pm
So the real reason wasn’t irresponsibility or women just having multiple babies- it was to get benefits paid for by John Q. taxpayer. I like the kid but he didn’t seem to think there was anything wrong with what they were doing.
And to try to take one example and use that to define the entire race is intellectual dishonesty. I know of people who would fit the “welfare queen” description, and I also know people who take care of things WHILE being a single parent. The Black community is as diverse as the White community, yet it pisses me off when people try to pass off a problem as a “Black” problem. That’s what I’m calling bullsh*t.
mm
March 31st, 2011
1:52 pm
WOW,
“I love how people totally ignore the facts about what is bringing the US down financially. HINT: It ain’t Afghanistan.”
More ignorant insight from you, huh?
This country is broke because of the Bush tax cuts, the recession, and 2 unfunded wars. Why are you so ignorant?
Normal
March 31st, 2011
1:53 pm
Scooter!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:57 pm
“in the winter you played basketball and bowled,”
Yeah, but what KIND of bowling, Mick? Where I came from, we had candlepin and duckpin bowling, getting to throw 3 large grapefruit-sized balls (with no holes) per frame, and we referred to what is on the professional circuit as “big-ball bowling”.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:57 pm
First TWICE in a ROW!
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
1:58 pm
LIL Georgie,
I Know how much you like numbers and “facts”. He’s some you should look into.
U.S. Census Bureau: Black Businesses Grew at 3 Times the National Rate
http://www.theroot.com/views/black-businesses-grew-three-times-national-rate
Mick
March 31st, 2011
1:58 pm
doom
I live in miami and the no one immigrant group has gotten more assistance from the US gov’t than the miami cubans. No other group can just wash up on shore and be granted entry. This group votes straight repub and gave the presidency to bush and in this last election the governorship to rick scott. They influence foreign policy by having a failed embargo in place for nearly fifty years. They are the most pampered hispanic group in the US and receive every gov’t benefit known to mankind, yet vote republican while collecting all they can get from the gov’t dole…
@@
March 31st, 2011
1:59 pm
Jackie:
These folks that argue with you about what is going on in the black community have never lived in the community and have not been black for one day in their lives.
I beg your pardon. I live in the black community and get very dark when exposed to the sun.
SoCo:
That almost makes it seem like people are trying to put requirements on being a mother.
There are requirements to being a mother. One must be able to support them both financially and emotionally. In case you haven’t noticed, men aren’t always there when it comes to child support. Not talkin’ about you, but way too many are shirkers. I’ve known men who will place restrictions on their own opportunity to avoid parental responsibilities.
What are they thinking? Can’t get blood out of a turnip.
I don’t care whether they’re black or white. Women are too easy and men are all too eager to take advantage.
jm
March 31st, 2011
1:59 pm
Obama jinxed the Nationals by not throwing out the first pitch (RE 1-0)
juuuuuuuuust kidding.
Normal
March 31st, 2011
1:59 pm
Dave R,
I’ve found the bigger the balls the better…
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
1:59 pm
“This country is broke because of 30 years of failed liberal Congressional policies. Why are you so ignorant?”
Fixed your typo, mm.
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:00 pm
“Pure Bullsh*t.”
SoCo’s new favorite line.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:00 pm
Oops! Dropped my last sentence.
And the kids suffer as a result.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:01 pm
Holy crap! Really?? Kind of like “hey lets buy a house for $600k even though I only make $20k per year”. And you wonder why the black community has the problems it does? WOW
No. Like, why get involved in the personal lives of citizens. I don’t think I have a right to get involved in what someone else does in the privacy of their own home. Abstinance programs have not worked, there’s a big anti-abortion push going on, and people are somehow equating single-mother childbirth to welfare. As I said earlier, people on the outside of the community do not see the entire support system.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
2:01 pm
mm
March 31st, 2011
1:52 pm
Pot meet kettle.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:01 pm
I forgot to mention, when making a military decision I think I will take my chances with US military generals instead of Jay Bookman, call me crazy…
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
2:02 pm
Normal, candlepin bowling was great! Ten pins about the height of traditional pins, but straight up and down. And they don’t clear the downed pins in between throws, so you get to play off them to knock down the others. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it sent the ball in crazy directions.
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:03 pm
speculative from the ABC, but who knows.
Caterpillar Inc.’s CEO this week tried to tamp down talk the manufacturer of construction and mining machines is leaving Peoria, Ill., its home for 85 years, but not everyone is persuaded quite yet. Speculation Caterpillar will exit Illinois heated up following a March 21 letter the company’s chairman and chief executive fired off to Illinois’s governor complaining state legislators have created a climate unfavorable to business, reports Chicagobreakingnews.com.
CEO Doug Oberhelman’s letter does not mention taxes specifically, but the state recently increased both corporate and personal income taxes and he has said previously the hikes affect the state’s competitiveness. In the letter to Gov. Pat Quinn the Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT) chief said, “Before I never really considered living anywhere else and certainly never considered the possibility of Caterpillar relocating. But I have to admit, the policymakers in Springfield seem to make it harder by the day.”
The letter also said the company, which employs 23,000, is being courted by other states. While neither Georgia nor Atlanta is mentioned, officials here have expressed interest.
Oberhelman attempted to reign in speculation about the company’s future home when he spoke Wednesday to a U.S. Chamber of Commerce gathering in Washington, D.C. He said in spite of “sensational” headlines such as ‘Cat leaving Illinois,’ that isn’t what he wrote in the letter to the governor.
According to Chicagobreakingnews.com, Oberhelman told a group at a chamber summit: “I actually said, I’m looking forward to finding ways to invest more in Illinois and to change the business climate. Illinois is our home and has been for 85 years, but the facts remain: Legislators in Illinois have created an environment that is unfriendly to business and investment, and at Caterpillar, we want to help lead and change that climate.”
Hard to say what Caterpillar will do. But it’s clear the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, when it comes to the company head’s displeasure with the business climate in Illinois. He’s almost certain to find a warmer climate in Georgia, and not just the weather.
Read more: Could Atl. be Caterpillar’s new home? | Atlanta Business Chronicle
USMC dawg
March 31st, 2011
2:04 pm
“I enlisted at 18 and after my first 24 hours at Parris Island, I had a momentary daydream wandering if I could de-enlist. About at that same time I had a senior drill instructor screaming in my ear and I got my answer.”
AHHHHHHH! As Archie and Edith used to say…. THOSE WERE THE DAYS!
I remember thinking the same thing, Del.
But I LOVED Parris Island!
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
2:05 pm
“Kind of like “hey lets buy a house for $600k even though I only make $20k per year”. And you wonder why the black community has the problems it does? WOW”
Maybe you needed more facts for the nonsense you speak lil Georgie.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/us/25south.html
Tundra Dude
March 31st, 2011
2:05 pm
U.S. military balks at promised Afghan drawdown
Should be EZ to “unbalk” them. Stop the funding, cut off their paychecks. Let them hitchhike home.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:06 pm
Oh, and Soco?
This part…I know you mean well, so I’m not aiming that at you directly, but others barf out crap without providing any solutions. They may as well be the problem.
Never doubt that I do mean well. If you’re talking about the black community, I’m limited in what I can do because I’m NOT black (except in the summer months) (ISH). The black community can be very defensive on the topic. I’m reluctant to invade their territory.
You, however, can….much like Bill Cosby tried to do.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
2:06 pm
Southern Comfort,
I think its intellectually dishonest to sit there and say its okay to reproduce regardless of financial status and marital status. Its not okay because others get stuck paying the bill for someone’s kids. Its not okay to just have kids out of wedlock and expect others to pay for your free sh$t.
The biggest problem with raising kids out of wedlock is that a single mother is far more likely to be mired in poverty- hence the stat that 41% of all single black mothers live in poverty vs only 7% of married black couples.
And you can cite various examples such as yourself of kids being raised successfully by single mothers. But the reality is that according to the hard data this is more the exception and not the norm.
To sit there and act like a black or white kid raised in a single mother family has roughly the same advantages as a kid raised above the poverty line in a 2 parent family is intellecually dishonst. Not to mention ludicrous. And overall whatever the various reasons for the 70% rate of out of wedlock black birth rates you can’t make any rational argument that this is a good thing.
Even if the unmarried woman and father stay together as an unmarried couple for a number of years is it a good thing for a kid to grow up knowing that his parents aren’t even married to each other?
What kind of a value system is that kid growing up with in most cases where he sees that its just not important for his parents to raise kids in a family where mom and dad are married?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:07 pm
There are requirements to being a mother. One must be able to support them both financially and emotionally.
And how do you determine what is enough? I have cousins who probably couldn’t rub two nickles together on any given day of the week, yet their children are taken care of, and not at the expense of taxpayers. The majority of my cousins and I were raised by our grandparents while our mothers worked. Those things don’t show up in statistics. That’s why I laugh when people outside of a community try to explain what goes on in that community when they don’t have a clue.
SoCo’s new favorite line.
It’s a lot easier to type than Pure, hot, steaming, fresh-out-of-the-bovine, Bullsh*t!!
Tundra Dude
March 31st, 2011
2:08 pm
jm@1:04 pm, wrote:
one could say it resembles the award at the Nobel Peace Prize,” Aftergood said. “It’s not because Obama brought peace to anyone but because people hoped he would be a force for good in the world, and maybe that’s the way to understand this award.”
OIC….then they should change it to the _Hoping for Peace_ award.
dave
March 31st, 2011
2:11 pm
For the second time in history, I agree with Jay. Pull them out and do it now. Those of you who feel or believe there is any reason to stay, please read the book “The Wrong War.” If you have served in the military and are a combat vet, as I am, you might change your prespective.
Fred
March 31st, 2011
2:13 pm
Pull them out of Iraq first.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
2:13 pm
@Thulsa Doom
You statement showing where the percentage of whites on welfare is greater than the number of blacks and further bolstering the fact that there are 6 times more whites than blacks proves my point. Thanks.
@@@
By your tanning easily proves what??
Wonderful website that shows numbers and percentages of blacks, whites and others in many categories. Did you ever consider the poverty rate for blacks, whites and others and how that impacts the young and single black woman?
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
2:13 pm
SoCo, you know the con jackassery is getting mighty deep when certain people here tell you they live in the black community!
USMC dawg, carefu!
There are numerous never-served sleazeballs around here who will tell you that you are “mistaken’ about your military service!
Heyward has a dinger for me and Chipper has a run scored. Off to a good start…
HDB
March 31st, 2011
2:13 pm
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
2:06 pm
Like SoCo, I was raised by a single parent; the key is ECONOMICS!! A single parent that earns a middle class salary can raise a child that would become as competitive as any middle class child in two-parent homes. If that single parent has the support system that heretofire was quite prevalent in black communities (grandparents, uncles/aunts/role models), then that child could prosper! Take that same situation…but put the child in poverty and NO support system, the child is doomed!! Note single actresses that either have borne or adopted children; check their economic status…….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:15 pm
@@
With your heart and spirit, you could do far more than you realize.
I think its intellectually dishonest to sit there and say its okay to reproduce regardless of financial status and marital status. Its not okay because others get stuck paying the bill for someone’s kids. Its not okay to just have kids out of wedlock and expect others to pay for your free sh$t.
You do know what it means to ASSume, right? How does what I said automatically mean that someone’s getting free sh*t? If you study history, you’d know that the Black community is far more self-supporting and stronger that what people want to paint it as today. YOU may doubt it, but I have nothing but faith in the Black community. You’re talking about a community that survived slavery, lynching, and other crimes against humanity. In the early 1900’s, you’re talking about a community that mirrored the “White” community. Separate but equal meant that the Black community had to have it’s own schools, doctors, lawyers, financial advisors, and everything else.
No matter how much people try to tear it down, whether it’s from within or outside, the Black community will survive and prosper. It doesn’t matter whether the child comes from a single or dual parent home. It doesn’t matter whether the family lives in Beverly Hills or the projects. It’s all about how that child is taught and what they learn. That’s why I don’t focus on non-essential crap. I spend my energy to make sure they’re learning how to learn and think for themselves.
Tundra Dude
March 31st, 2011
2:16 pm
AmVet@9:19 wrote, in part:
On a related note, there is some great news in north Africa:
Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard, a Canadian now heading the international operation, says the transition of command from the U.S. had been “seamless with no gaps.”
————————–
No surprise, it’s “seamless”, sorta like passing the baton from one hand to the other.
(snipped)
A Canadian three-star general was selected to be in charge of all NATO operations in Libya. His boss, the commander of NATO’s Allied Joint Force Command Naples, is Admiral Samuel J. Locklear, US Navy, and the admiral’s boss is the supreme allied commander Europe, Admiral James G. Stavridis, United States Navy. (this post is always held by an American)
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
Joe…..great I guess we should start building more prisons.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
Southern….you do when our taxes are going to fun their babies.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:20 pm
Southern…”Black community will survive and prosper”
When? We are all waiting.
JIMBOB (aka James Robert)
March 31st, 2011
2:20 pm
How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai! How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai! How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai! How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai! How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai! How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai! How many kids must die fighting for Hamid Karzai!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:22 pm
George
You should get paid to be an ASSumer, you’d make billions…..
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:23 pm
Southern…..what am I assuming?
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
2:24 pm
HDB at 2:13pm,
I would agree with your whole post- its about economics more than anything else. And in terms of economics a single mother whether black or white is going to be substantially more challenged and have a harder time staying out of poverty than a 2 parent family. That’s just an easily observable common sense thing that we should all be able to agree on.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:26 pm
If anyone thinks that is doesn’t matter if you come from a dual parent home you are ignoring statistical facts. Of course there are exceptions and many people who come from a single parent home can be as successful as anyone. With that said, by far people who come from a single family home have a much more difficult time. Denying that is like denying the sky is blue. And you shouldn’t take offense to it, its just a fact.
And if you can’t even support yourself you have no business bringing more people into this world. It is bad for you and them. If you think someone in poverty should pop out 5 or 6 kids and let the govt support them you are irresponsible. Children are extremely expensive nowadays and to bring them into this world with no way to support them is wrong.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:27 pm
Southern….waiting? Tick Tick Tick
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:27 pm
What are you assuming? Damn near everything you post, but for starters….
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
Joe…..great I guess we should start building more prisons.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
Southern….you do when our taxes are going to fun their babies.
IF our taxes are going to fun(d) their babies, then you have a point, but not when. You’re assuming that it’s automatic that taxes are funding their babies, which is not the case. I’m not even going to comment on the prison statement.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:28 pm
SoCo:
If they can provide without help from the outside, I’m fine with that. If, however, they eagerly latch on to entitlements, resentment will build from the outside.
I’ll share a story with you. I worked as a liaison between my church and the ChildTech program (teenage mothers). I loved going up there when the babies were present. I often did when I was working part-time. I even gave the staff instructions in sign language, which turned out to be mui beneficial. Kids have a tendency to scream when they can’t communicate.
Anyhoo, the program placed certain demands on the participants. They were required to pay $5.00 a week for childcare. If they didn’t, they were to be expelled from the program. It never happened…government programs never follow thru with consequences. Threatens their bottom line.
I got to know some of the young mothers. One stands out in my mind. She had one boyfriend and had become pregnant. She remained with the boyfriend. He had graduated and was pursuing a career in law enforcement. They were planning a future life together as a family. She impressed me in many ways. Paid her $5.00 faithfully and cussed the others out for thinking that it was beneath them or above them (don’t know which) to do the same. “Do you think everything in life is gonna be free?” she asked.
When the girls had been suspended, they were required to show up at the church and care for their own children. Again…they were to be expelled from the program if they didn’t. They didn’t but were never expelled.
The young mother who impressed me got herself expelled. Not only did she show up but helped the staff with ALL the children, not just hers. More young mothers like her will benefit our society and I didn’t hesitate to tell her so.
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:28 pm
Transit list for ATL transportation… very interesting stuff
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:28 pm
Southern….Ok I am 72% sure that our money will fund for those babies. Keep up the good work.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:30 pm
Southern….when 1 in 9 black males aged 20 to 34 are in prison…..i stand by what I said. Keep up the good work.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:32 pm
Southern.,..to further prove my point…..
Prison populationFurther information: Incarceration in the United States
The racial composition of the US prison and jail population as of 2008 was 60.21% (African American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, 13.44% White American (non-Hispanic) , and 6.06% Other (American Indian, Alaska Native, Asian American, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander American, and Multiracial American).[27]
U.S. incarceration rates by race, June 30, 2006:
Whites: 409 per 100,000
Latinos: 1,038 per 100,000
Blacks: 2,468 per 100,000
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:32 pm
I think our cons hit rock bottom attacking AmVet’s service.
You can’t get any lower than that.
Way to support the troops sickos.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
I seem to be in the midst of a melee. I’m lagging behind.
Jackie:
By your tanning easily proves what??
I’ve been mistaken for black on more than one occasion. People have responded to me as if I were. That’s all.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:34 pm
@@ That is hilarious!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
2:34 pm
“You can’t get any lower than that.”
Of course you can. You do so with every post you generate.
Your next post adding value to the coversation will be your first.
John Birch
March 31st, 2011
2:35 pm
The worst kids come from 0 parent homes, you know the ones where ‘mom’ plays the slots at Victoryland while the toddler roasts to death in the car. However, sterlization should be a qualification for welfare. If you have children you can’t support, you shouldn’t have any more children, it’s that simple.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
2:35 pm
Southern Comfort at 2:15pm,
I wish I could believe and have the same faith as you that the black community will survive and prosper. We would all like to see that but I just don’t believe it. I just don’t see the values system that I see that makes other minority cultures even more successful than the dominant white culture- take the east Asian or Indian(Asian) cultures and look at their value system. Incredible emphasis on academic achievement, emphasis on the stable family unit, discipline, staying out of trouble, etc. They got it figured out. Many blacks and whites to a lesser degree do not.
“It doesn’t matter whether the child comes from a single or dual parent home”-southern comfort.
You point out exceptions to the rule but overall the empirical evidence presented proves you wrong. It does matter. It matters a lot.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:35 pm
@getalife
You mean like when Democrats picket the funerals of dead soldiers?? Like when they spit in the face of our soldiers when get home?? Is that what you’re talking about??
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
2:36 pm
@George W
Where do you get that specious number?
You seem to believe that you have struck gold with this line that you can not prove.
Where is your corroboration?
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:37 pm
Thulsa….that is exactly what I was saying.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:37 pm
@@
Good story, although I’m thinking that some here wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t fit their opinion and/or outlook. What some fail to see is that sometimes it takes the smallest of things to inspire young people. Instead of just constantly berating them or stereotyping them, the smallest encouragement can reap major benefits.
I can tell from the stories you post that you have a kind heart. I think you’d have a lot more sway in positively affecting people than you give yourself credit for. I’ve seen it time and time again. If you don’t make people responsible, they won’t accept responsibility. If people spent more effort into providing work opportunities instead of bitching about welfare, who knows how much benefit that would provide to the country as a whole?
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:38 pm
Where’s our score update?
Braves up 2-0…………..
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:38 pm
Jackie….which number are you referring to?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:38 pm
Your are a liar mike.
You are sick in the head.
You cons attacked his service and you should apologize now mike.
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:39 pm
Bravos.
Trippy.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_03_31_atlmlb_wasmlb_1
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:39 pm
getalife – the resin is clogging your neurons buddo
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
@getalife
Not following you, where did I lie? And I never said anything to Amvet?? Are you saying Democrats did not picket the funerals of dead soldiers?
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
uh oh getalife is about to explode…..tick tock tick tock….
Mike, are you laughing as much as I am?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
jm,
Yeah, you spit in AmVets face.
Apologize now cons.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
@getalife
Are you able to communicate without name calling. Are you a teenager??
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Woodstock…..hilarious isnt he?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
@George W
I am rolling over here……….
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Woodstock…..getalife is sicilian….be careful he may go “all Jersey Shore” on us!!
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:42 pm
Jackie….waiting?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:42 pm
mike,
Apologize.
I am not playing.
You talk about spitting in their faces and you did it here.
Not on my watch.
Man up son or step off.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
SoCo:
She was one among 18 young mothers. She was the exception. I feared for the remaining 17. They didn’t have her drive.
If people spent more effort into providing work opportunities instead of bitching about welfare, who knows how much benefit that would provide to the country as a whole?
How can I or people like me, provide work opportunities? My husband has often said “Too many people are too busy making a living to make a fortune.” ‘Tis true…we’re all struggling.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
@George W
Where do you get the 72% from?
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
mike….are you scared yet…..getalife has us all trembling! hahahaah
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
Does getalife ever have a single thing of revelance to say? I have never seen one legitimate point made by this poster. A lot of rhetoric and hyperbole but never one logical point.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
Doom
I live in that community, and I know the power that it possesses. It’s just a matter of getting people to believe in themselves and not let others dictate who or what they are. If you continuously label someone as no good, they begin to buy into that assessment at some point. As someone who knew and studied history, I refused to buy into the young gang-banger thug image that people tried to project when I was in that age range. I let my grades and test scores speak for me. I still relish in being the anti-stereotype whenever I get a chance to play that role.
If those outside the community just stopped planting the seeds of doubt and failure for a generation, it would do wonders. You can’t expect a young impressionable mind to see themselves as anything other than a failure when that’s all they hear from everyone else, can you?
when 1 in 9 black males aged 20 to 34 are in prison…..i stand by what I said. Keep up the good work.
Whoop de fu*king doo… When the justice system and our country treats ALL criminals alike, I’ll be concerned about a statistic like that. Until then, that stat doesn’t mean jack sh*t. When corporate thieves go to jail with the frequency that someone does for possession of an ounce of weed, call me.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
Jackie,
All they do is lie here and spit in the troops faces.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
@getalife
I never said anything to AmVet, although I disagree with his politics. For being a person that served his country I respect him deeply…
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
Jackie,
I still didn’t understand your point earlier about the % of whites on welfar vs blacks. On the welfare rolls whites make up 38% of the total and blacks 37%. But there are 6 times more whites than blacks which means that as a % of their population there are dramatially more blacks on welfare. Is this the point you were making?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:47 pm
“You mean like when Democrats picket the funerals of dead soldiers?? Like when they spit in the face of our soldiers when get home?? Is that what you’re talking about??”
That was your reply when I said for the cons need to apologize to AmVet.
You spit in his face.
Apologize mike.
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:48 pm
getalife appears to be a 1-liner macho wuss blog bot
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:48 pm
And you other cons that attacked AmVet’s service, apologize now.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:48 pm
If those outside the community just stopped planting the seeds of doubt and failure for a generation, it would do wonders.
Please e-mail that snippet to the DNC.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:48 pm
Jackie….this site actually says it is more like 80% and it comes FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!
http://blackamericans.com/blogs/news/archive/2008/01/25/about-80-of-black-babies-are-born-to-unwed-moms.aspx
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
@getalife
Are you not aware that Democrats hate American soldiers? And America for that matter??
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
Getalife:
I’m not gonna apologize to AmVet. He brought this on himself.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
getalife…..cry cry cry cry…..time to change your diaper yet?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:50 pm
And you did it again.
Pathetic mike.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:51 pm
@@,
How?
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:51 pm
getalife – what’s 6th grade like these days?
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
2:51 pm
@getalife
Those loud-imouth, keyboard warriors have all the answers, yet refuse to step up and be counted when things get tough.
Have diaharrea of the lip.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
2:52 pm
How can I or people like me, provide work opportunities? My husband has often said “Too many people are too busy making a living to make a fortune.” ‘Tis true…we’re all struggling.
I had an uncle who started his own HVAC business. He let me tag along with him on service calls. I might have made $20 dollars from him over the entire summer, but the knowledge I gained was worth far more. Your husband probably has immense knowledge from his renovations that he could impart to a young impressionable mind. The key is finding the one who wants to learn it. Kids are funny about things like that. Peer pressure will keep them dumb before they admit that something interests them.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
@Jackie
Your comments are contradictory. And please explain what plate we are not stepping up to when things get tough??
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
SoCo – what, no “Bullsh*t!”?
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
jm….he didnt make it that far.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
Jackie,
These cons spit in the face of the troops.
Fact.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
He neglected to keep his facts straight?
He’s always looking for a fight?
He’s obsessed?
He constantly accuses others of what he, himself does?
He dictates how others should behave?
He’s a control freak?
He seeks to silence the free speech of others and then brags when he succeeds?
Do you want more?
jm
March 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
getalife – has nothing substantive to say. fact.
George W
March 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Jackie….I proved my point and provided the link…..See that is the issue….instead of approaching the problem and working to correct it the black man just points at the white man and blames him…..hence your situation will never get any better just worse…..very sad.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
“Apologize.
I am not playing.
You talk about spitting in their faces and you did it here.
Not on my watch.
Man up son or step off.”
In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, “Lighten up, Francis.” You’re wired a whole lot differently than normal humans, getalife.
@@
March 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Getalife:
My 2:54 should have been addressed to you.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
@@,
Waiting for you to apologize.
Don’t crawl that low @@.
You are better than that.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
getalife, it’s OK.
It’s not as if any of those four lying sleazeballs have ever worn a uniform one day in their sorry lives.
Maybe they get it from their parents who spit on returning Viet Nam vets.
And you know @@, she’ll cover for liars and racists, but not a veteran…
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
Enter your comments here
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
@@,
So you spit in his face.
Apologize @@.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
And she uses endless b*llsh*t to justify her lying…
jt
March 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
Ya’ll go easy on AmVet…………………………………
It is often a traumatic time when one evolves into a neo-con.(Obama war supporter).
Although, this is a natural evolution(from lefty progressive lib to righty progressive neo-con to libertarian), some people are late bloomers and the change can be phycologically devestating.(not unlike getting chicken pox at a later age).
I suspect Jay Bookman is finding his new-found neo-conness a little distressing too.
I salute you AmVet………………………..next stop Libertarianism. We will be waiting with open arms.
You too Bookman.(don’t be ashamed of the late blooming).
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
@AmVet
I thought it was liberal Dems who were spitting in the face of soldiers when they came home from Vietnam??
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
“You’re wired a whole lot differently than normal humans, getalife.”
And that was not meant in any positive way, either. Just sayin’.
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Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
getalife…..cry cry cry cry…..time to change your diaper yet?
Tick…tick…tick….
You already have a yellow card.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
AmVet,
I am sorry for these cons attacking your service.
They are sick.
There is no doubt.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
“I salute you AmVet”
Now we are talking.
Step up cons.
Apologize.
Now.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
@George W
Here is another site for you to look at the information concerning unwed mothers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/health/13mothers.html
John Birch
March 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Viet vets areen’t typically heroes. Either they got drafted or they were stupid and immoral enough to volunteer for our worst war ver. The real heroes of that era, for the most part, were those that had the courage to compromise their lives by not serving or those that fought here and ended that nightmare.
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Kam…..oooooo scared!
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
@getalife
Is it sick to picket the funeral of a dead soldier??
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
SoCo:
Your husband probably has immense knowledge from his renovations that he could impart to a young impressionable mind.
My husband works a full-time job in data processing. It’s taken 3 duplex owners, all capable but working full-time jobs of their own, to employ one out of work carpenter to help renovate their duplexes.
I, however, had the opportunity to show my neighbor’s godson how to use a table saw. Don’t know if my efforts catapulted him into carpentry or not.
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
Jackie….your point?
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
@Woodstock
Can you find documentation to show where that claim of someone spitting in the fact of Viet Nam vets occurred?
Only a well-worn mistruth.
Indiana sociologist report
March 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
Top news stories personally selected by the publishers for their relevance to the Black American community.
About 80% of black babies are born to unwed moms
About eight in 10 black children in Indiana are born to unwed parents — a start to life that sets them up for problems during adolescence and beyond, according to an Indiana Black Expo report.
Indiana’s black youths fare significantly worse than Hoosier youths in general across 18 indicators of well-being, such as graduation rates and poverty levels, and do worse than black youths in the U.S, according to the report being released Friday.
Tanasha Anders, acting president and chief executive of Indiana Black Expo, said the problem comes down to education — making sure young people finish school and understand the consequences of having a baby.
“Everything else is a domino effect,” she said.
The explosion of births to unwed parents is driving many of the state’s social problems, such as increases in poverty and child abuse and the growing cost of public aid, said Bill Stanczykiewicz, president and CEO of the Indiana Youth Institute. He added that the problem is not exclusive to any one race.
Indiana’s out-of-wedlock birthrate is at an all-time high, with unwed mothers accounting for nearly 40 percent of all births, he said. Nationally, about 36 percent of all births are to unwed mothers.
Stanczykiewicz said the situation is among the toughest social issues to address.
“It is very difficult, even for well-meaning people, to get together and talk about how we talk to people about their sex lives and how to parent children,” he said.
Another complicating factor is that a growing number of the single-parent births are to young adults, instead of teens, and that requires a new and different kind of message. But finding a way to address the situation is critical, he said.
Child Trends, a nonpartisan national children’s research organization, reports children born to single mothers are more likely to:
• Live in poverty and experience social and emotional problems.
• Have low educational attainment, engage in sex at younger ages and have a premarital birth.
• Enter adulthood neither in school nor employed, or have lower occupational status and income, and more troubled marriages and divorces than those born to married parents.
The issues that spin out of struggling single-parent families show up throughout the new Black Expo report, including the teen birth rate of 81 per 1,000 for blacks. That is almost twice the state’s overall teen birth rate of 43.5 per 1,000.
About 35 percent of black children live in families headed by married parents, compared with 69 percent of all Indiana children, according to the report.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:02 pm
@getalife
I salute AmVet and his service. How many of the keyboard warriors have a DD-214?
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:03 pm
jackie….you have DD’s? You must have back pains!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:03 pm
So, we can say the cons here attack the troops and spit in their face.
Way to go cons.
Can you get any lower?
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:03 pm
@George W
If you will notice 66% of the women in Iceland are unwed. How many blacks live there?
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
@Woodstock
Can you find documentation to show where that claim of someone spitting in the fact of Viet Nam vets occurred?
Only a well-worn mistruth.-Jackie
Jackie,
If you don’t know how returning American soldiers from Vietnam were treated than you are in a state of denial the likes of which have never been seen. The left in this country called them baby killers, spat on them, all manner of hate. To deny this is to deny that the sky is blue.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
@George W
Yes, I have a DD-214, do you?
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
Getalife:
So you spit in his face.
No! I put some words up on a screen. I said he was “mistaken”. He’s the one that prefers to toss out the word “liar”.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
woodstick
That’s an urban myth, no one was spitting on soldiers returning from vietnam. The church that pickets funerals is neither repub or dem just sick…
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
Thanks Jackie.
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
Late to the topic, but I figured long time ago that if the idea of pummeling Afghanistan with our Freedom Bombs was to avenge the 3,000 lives taken on 9/11, we passed that grisly mark ages ago.
I don’t see what our 10 billion-with-a-B every month really gets us at this point. I can’t see any good reason not to begin drawing down sooner rather than later, and letting the folks who are paid to howl about such things, howl about such things.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
@Jackie
George Bush has one, do you salute him?? And if you don’t think there are liberal Dems that hate American troops and everything they stand for you are a fool…
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
John Birch
March 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Please allow us Vets to thank you for your support.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
@Thulsa Doom
I am a Viet Nam vet and what you are saying as a lie.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Jackie,
Probably most of us including myself have a dd-214.
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Kam…..oooooo scared!
Your antics got you kicked out next door at CT’s and that’s saying something.
Your current host warned you yesterday.
You have only yourself to blame.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
@Mick
Leader of Westboro Church, Democrat, look it up…
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Thulsa and SoCo:
I believe strongly in the Black Community and the great strides forward it has made and is making now. More and more are seeing the race Ho’s like Jesse Jackson for what they really are and ignoring them. The election of Barak Obama proved that they (the Jesse Jacksons) were holding the black community back, not moving it forward. It proved that there truly IS equality in this Country. A black man CAN obtain the ultimate position of power in this Country. I heard the buzz from my friends and acquaintances who are Black. But it’s not the only thing. My friend Owen mentors several black male high-schoolers. It IS as SoCo says, a community effort that isn’t publicized and it strenghtens us all.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:07 pm
Unbelievable.
Perhaps Jay should write this story about cons attacking AmVet.
Lets go national with it.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
3:07 pm
Here’s a little primer for you mike.
This lib would slap the snot out of you for disrespecting the service of Del, Scout, popeye, Jackie, Normal, Midori, USMC dawg or any other veteran here. Regardless of whether we agree, disagree or have no opinions on all of this silly crap we talk about.
While cons like wow, thelma, rw and @@ denigrate the service of any and all of those they disagree with.
That’s your politically allied gang – repudiate them or own them.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:07 pm
“One of the iconic exchanges of Vietnam came, some years after the war, between Col. Harry Summers, a military historian, and a counterpart in the North Vietnamese Army. As Summers recalled it, he said, “You never defeated us in the field.” To which the NVA officer replied: “That may be true. It is also irrelevant.” Newsweek Magazine
This will also be said about Afghanistan.
We never learn.
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
@Woodstock
I am a liberal Dem and I say to you, my actions have proven that I am supportive of my country.
Which gives you the right to be a foolish as you sound.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
Jackie,
Maybe in your particular experience you didn’t witness it but to say that you shared the same experience as hundreds of thousands of other soldiers who returned from Vietnam is ludicrous. I have a couple of uncles who fought with the Montegard Indians in Vietnam and their experiences were a little different.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
“@Thulsa Doom
I am a Viet Nam vet and what you are saying as a lie.”
All they do is lie.
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
The church that pickets funerals is neither repub or dem just sick…
I think someone thinks they found out that Fred Phelps might’ve been registered as a Democrat at some point in his life (never mind that it’s hard to imagine him voting for any Democrat, even of the conservative Kansas variety, any time over the past twenty years), thus that gives that someone carte blanche to claim that Westboro Baptist is somehow affiliated with the DNC.
(See also: Straws, grasping at)
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
Two others, I forgot – Real Scooter and Dave R.
And MIKE I also forgot to say thank you for your thank you.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:10 pm
“When you fight a war in which nothing is out of bounds, and the survival of your nation is in the balance, you acquire a persistent state of mind that finds limited or unconventional war a great discomfort. And yet, experience in World War II did not prevent an astounding anomaly: extremely high-ranking officers, those who advised the president on the conduct of the war in Vietnam, making inept decisions that produced an incremental commitment of forces and debilitating restrictions on the employment of the military instrument.”
Col. Jack Jacobs, U.S. Army (retired)
DITTO AFGHANISTAN
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:10 pm
“rw and @@ ”
Very disappointed in those two.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:10 pm
@Jackie
I did not say you and I did not mean to confuse. Are you saying that you don’t believe there are Democrats that hate American soldiers and what they stand for?
John Birch
March 31st, 2011
3:11 pm
Real Scooter – You were 19 or 20, you were drafrted and did what you were told. Or you were, perhaps stupid is too harsh, let’s just say naive, and volunteered to kill those little yellow men who never did a thing to us until we invaded their country. Please expalin the honor or the heroism to me.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
3:11 pm
@@
As I said, sometimes the smallest things end up having the greatest dividends. If he had never been exposed to something like that, you might have lit the fuse for something. My love of classic cars came from watching my grandfather work on his cars. I haven’t reached the level of being able to fully break down and rebuild an engine. However, if I had to, I know I can locate a manual to help me with whatever I’m capable of doing.
md
March 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Time to let the Afghans decide if THEY want to take up arms and protect their country……..just like the rebels in Libya, give them a hand but they have to want it……………
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
I just love the way its always lib dems who hate the military, bogus stereotyping conviently leaving out repubs themselves, independents, and people with no party affiliation. Keep the lies growing if that what suits you…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Thulsa Doom:
Save this one ……… you may want to use it again.
Once a Warrior King by David Donovan:
“If there was immorality in the war in Vietnam, it was that a democratic nation called her citizens to war, had them killed by the tens of thousands, and then, like a faithless lover, turned and scorned the survivors. Oh, perfidious nation!”
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
I will disagree with most everything you lie about cons but I will never attack your service for our country.
Never.
We have to draw this line and never cross it again.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
getalife
From my quick read-through, it appears you challenged on a statement and said it would be appropriate to apologize. I didn’t see where anyone challenged your assertion or offered a counter – instead,it was diversion and namecalling.
The blog in a microcosm.
Thanks for standing up for vets.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
amvet
USCG count?
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
@Woodstock
Sounds like you have not stepped up and raised your right hand?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
@Stand for Decibels
Fred Phelps is a registered Democrat and ran for governor of Kansas 3 times, 1990, 1994, and 1998, all as a Dem…
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
“Southern….you do when our taxes are going to fun their babies.”
-Sound the alarm, Lil Georgie you need to call MTV and tell them they have the “white community” looking bad on 16 and Pregnant.
“Joe…..great I guess we should start building more prisons.”
-? For what reason, all the business the “black communities” are starting?
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
@Thulsa
Ancedotal crap does not prove your point. Go to the web and find documentation for your claim.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
Mick:
You better darn well believe it !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_C7m_5aZXQ
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
Thanks Paul.
We have drawn the line.
Enough is enough.
They will not apologize so lets move on.
It is too ugly for this blog.
We are Americans here and most support our troops.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
AmVet, I wasn’t in the military, I was in the Air Force!
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
Okay!
Del, Scout, popeye, Jackie, Normal, Midori, USMC dawg
Not only do I commend you for your service, I’d also like to commend you for your math skills.
AmVet, however, has proven himself to be a man “outstanding in a field of something” of his own making.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
@Jackie
I respect AmVet and wasn’t a part of the conversation so let’s move on… AMVET, not sure what I said to you but I’m sorry…
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
Braves: 2 runs on 4 hits, no errors
Gnats: 0 runs on 5 hits, no errors
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
@Woodstock
Oh my!
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
Mick: “USCG count?”
Only after you take the wheels off the bottoms of your boats!
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
scout
Thanks for having my back…
Jackie
March 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
@AmVet
SALUTE!!!!
Thulsa Doom's conversation with AmVet
March 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
Sprechen sie deutche? Neine?
AmVet- blank look and then no.
Parlez vou francais?
AmVet- Um. No
Habla espanol?
AmVet- No
Thulsa- You speak liberal gobbledeegook?
AmVet- Why yes. I do. I also speak various dialects of BS also.
Thulsa, You speak quack?
AmVet- QUACK! QUACK! QUACKETEY QUACKETY QUACK QUACK!!!! QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACKETY QUACKETY QUACK!!!!!!!!
Thulsa-Ich michta heine beiera bitta!- Porque you quiero una cerveza? Yo necessito muchos cerverzas para entender AmVet . Es necessario ser borracho para entender AmVet.
Transalation- German I would like a beer please. Spanish translation- Why do I want a beer? I need many beers to understand AmVet. Its necessary to be drunk in order to understand AmVet.
What ya’ll gotta understand is the only time AmVet makes any sense to me is when I’m drunk.
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:20 pm
Getalife:
I can live with your disappointment.
That’s your politically allied gang – repudiate them or own them.
That ^^^ has been AmVet since day one. He wants everybody to choose sides. Like a child on a playground.
I’ve always found it weird.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:20 pm
dave r
I’ve heard worse…..
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Fred Phelps is a registered Democrat and ran for governor of Kansas 3 times, 1990, 1994, and 1998, all as a Dem…
How many primary votes did this assclown get from actual Democratic caucus attendees?
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
amvet
USCG count?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
WTF Mick you lost your mind? OF COURSE it counts lol.
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
And which Democratic candidates did Fred Phelps support? Someone in the last, oh, ten years would be nice. Was he backing Kerry? Obama?
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Joe….72- 80% brother….keep up the good work.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:22 pm
So I guess david duke is the default repub standard bearer?
BMDPD
March 31st, 2011
3:23 pm
Also, just because someone is a Vet, doesn’t make them special. Heck, Vets can be theives, murderers, rapists, Pedos, or even……………………..
BMDPD
March 31st, 2011
3:24 pm
LIBERALS!!!!!
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:24 pm
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
AmVet, I wasn’t in the military, I was in the Air Force!
+++++++++++++++++++++++
LOL i always use a variation of the line, especially to my dad who was a career pilot. Civilians in a blue suit I used to tell him. As a 130 pilot he always told me not to let anyone he knew know thta I jumped out of perfectly functional airplanes……..
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
3:24 pm
John Birch
March 31st, 2011
3:11 pm
I was not drafted,I must be stupid or naive if you say so.Neverclaimed to be a hero but I was honorably discharged. Thanks again for your support.
BMDPD
March 31st, 2011
3:25 pm
Chair Force?
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:25 pm
@@,
You attacked his service and will not apologize.
That is a fact.
It is disappointing but to be expected when you are ill.
Have a great day @@/.
I am going to take a break from this blog.
Too much sickness for this American to stomach.
You got it bad.
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:25 pm
One last thing. Here’s the DNC platform from 2008:
http://www.workinglife.org/storage/users/4/4/images/111/2008%20democratic%20platform%20080808.pdf
Here’s what they say about DADT:
Allow All Americans to Serve
We will also put national security above divisive politics. More than 10,000 service men and women have been discharged on the basis of sexual orientation since the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy was implemented, at a cost of over $360 million. Many of those forced out had special skills in high demand, such as translators, engineers and pilots. At a time when the military is having a tough time recruiting and retaining troops, it is wrong to deny our country the service of brave, qualified people. We support the repeal of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” and the implementation of policies to allow qualified men and women to serve openly regardless of sexual orientation.
You telling me the “God Hates F@gs” guy was on the DNC’s side?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
Paul @ 3:13
Amen!! I didn’t catch the gist of that exchange, but getalife seemed to be handling things on his own pretty well. I don’t condone anybody trying to disparage any veterans at all.
Mick
March 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
** just because someone is a Vet, doesn’t make them special**
No, just someone who served their country, and you?
BMDPD
March 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
In other words, I am upset. I am going to pout now.
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
Fred, the worst day I spent in uniform was the day they only served cold cuts in the chow hall for lunch.
Imagine that! No hot food! I’ll tell ya’, the hardships I had to endure . . .
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
BMDPD:
Also, just because someone is a Vet, doesn’t make them special. Heck, Vets can be theives, murderers, rapists, Pedos, or even…
Funny you should mention that. Over the years here, those same accusations have been launched at our troops by whom?
The left-wingers.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
In my opinion, Fred Phelps is a jackass. Doesn’t matter if he’s a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a Fascist, a Communist, a Whig, or whatever. I can’t imagine any group with more than a dozen members, who’d want to claim him.
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:27 pm
Only twenty years, dude!
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:27 pm
AmVet….political differences aside…..I DO appreciate your service.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
3:27 pm
amvet
USCG count?
Count as service to country??? DAMN RIGHT it does!!!!!
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
3:28 pm
“Joe….72- 80% brother….keep up the good work.”
With what?
Pointing out facts you dont like. Yes i shall.
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:29 pm
Getalife:
Too much sickness for this American to stomach.
You got it bad.
Thanks, but I’m feeling fine. Hope you get to feeling better.
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
For you Jackie.
There is something in the word myth, however, suggesting that the abusive treatment towards the veterans never existed. To hint that this harassment never happened, is an insult to the veterans who suffered through the experience. There are too many genuine first hand accounts shared by veterans suggesting that the incidents indeed happened. This was Chicago Tribune columnist Bob Greene’s motivation when he wrote his book titled Homecoming, sharing the firsthand accounts of Vietnam veterans, both good and bad. Greene has “no doubt that many returning veterans truly were spat upon-literally-as a part of their welcome home. There were simply too many letters, going into too fine a detail, to deny the fact. {He} was profoundly moved by how, all these years later, so many men remembered exactly where and when they were spat-upon, and how the pain has stayed with them”(Greene, 11).
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:31 pm
The funny thing is that the Liberals in ole Hollywood try to glamourize the single mother. Don’t you just love it?
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:31 pm
LOL Dave R. I’m sure you’ve seen the “this sucks” cartoon depicting a gunt, a sailor and a pilot and what they were doing as they each say “this sucks.”
The grunt is belly down in the mud with bullets flying over his head with explosions all around him. “This sucks”
The pilot is at 10,000 feet looking down at the grunt: “That looks like it sucks.”
The sailor is in the galley and there is no more milk. “This sucks”
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:32 pm
Joe….what facts would those be?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
3:32 pm
BMPD… the fact that someone has served this country in time of war does not make them special or grant them special privileges. They have (or should have) the same rights to speech, vote and protection as any other citizen. They may indeed have personal problems. It should however be a matter of respect for their service to our country and each of us that we respect their service and thank them for that and do what we can to allievate any harm that may befall them because of their service.
Personally, I agree with little of the nonsense posted on these blogs by some of those who claim to be veterans. I dont share some of the same views or opinions as a number of them. Nonetheless as said by others, including getalife, I do respect the fact that they have served honorably and I thank them for putting their lives on the line the same as I do fire fighters, law enforcement and others.
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:33 pm
The funniest Navy joke I know is:
Sailor: Hey Marine, you know you are Department of the Navy, right?
Marine: Yeah, the MENS department!
Normal
March 31st, 2011
3:33 pm
Dave R.
March 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
Mick: “USCG count?”
Only after you take the wheels off the bottoms of your boats!
____________________________________________
Only a Sailor can talk like that to the Coast Guard…
To the Navy, the Coast Guard is like a little sister… 
Thulsa Doom
March 31st, 2011
3:33 pm
I’m out for now after providing Jackie with something called a FACT.
getalife,
Quit your whining little girl. Somebody just questioned AmVet’s math because it didn’t add up with his service account. Just STFU and go sit in your corner. Your posts are all weak, inane, and completely lacking in substance.
Paul
March 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
Woodstock 3:16
That was good –
Mick
You bet it does.
Dave R.
Army recruit finished his 20-mile march, collapsed and said “I love this s%1t.” Ranger parachuted into mountains at night, navigated 30 miles by the stars carrying an 80 pound pack, got to his objective and said “I really love this s%!t.” Marine recon jumped from a helo into a swamp, slogged 10 miles mapping enemy displacements, stayed out in the field for three days, took the 30-mile route home, grinned and said “this is the best s%!t in the world.”
Air Force fighter pilot flies a 2-hour mission, checks into the Q, kicks the A/C to 68, grabs a beer from the fridge, clicks the remote at the tv and says ‘no cable?!!? What is this s%!t?!!?”
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:31 pm
The funny thing is that the Liberals in ole Hollywood try to glamourize the single mother. Don’t you just love it?
========================
Glamorize it? They have transformed them into some sort of sacred cow God category. Life f’ing a loser who runs off from his responsibilities is a GOOD thing. Oh, and BMDPD? You have to type it correctly, when you speak of the sacred cows, you have to use all caps. SINGLE MOM.
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:35 pm
Keep, how do you know he served honorably?
How do you know he is not one of the many faking a disability to get money from Uncle Sam?
Just askin?
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:35 pm
HD, @ 3.26, I’ll second your notion about jackassery having no particular political affiliation.
I wouldn’t be the first to notice that this character seems to bring out an uncharacteristically harsh streak in you. I actually thought about this a bit. At the risk of prying a bit—is it possible that it’s due in no small part because he continues to label his pathetic cult a “Baptist” church?
I only ask, because I can only imagine the rage *I* would feel if my own family’s denomination were sullied in such a fashion, by such a scoundrel.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
3:36 pm
USCG count?
Yes it does, and rock on brother Mick.
You took that oath and put your ass on the line too.
MIKE, you don’t have to apologize. I’m a hot head about numerous things. But especially veterans. And I despise gultess turds like thelma who don’t respect anybody, including themselves.
Thanks, George. You’re a good man for saying so.
Jackie, no sir, I salute you. You, Del, Popeye and Scout (among others) are the big boys I’ve always looked up to.
And for my fellow airman Dave R.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGigYvztqHE&feature=related
(Keep you word and just go away @@. You’re a complete embarrassment.)
And with that, I’m done discussing all matters military for today..
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:36 pm
@Stand for Decibels
I do not associate Fred Phelps with all Democrats. Just to be clear, I just wanted to mention he was a Dem. He’s clearly a wack job and I can agree with you on that for sure. My whole point was let’s not try and confuse which party supports the military more because there is no comparison to be made. Even Obama can’t salute the soldier when he gets off Air Force One, his salute is the most pathetic salute of all times…
Normal
March 31st, 2011
3:37 pm
The Marines get to dig foxholes when there is incoming mail, the Air Force gets to flay away from triple A, the sailor has to hunker down on his ship when the cruise missles come in.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
3:38 pm
Imagine that! No hot food! I’ll tell ya’, the hardships I had to endure . . .
Dang Dave,I feel sorry for you. I could get a hot meal 24/7.
The worst day I had in uniform was when those hippies were shooting peace signs at me!
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:39 pm
Come to think of it…it could’ve been a circular saw or circular table saw I taught my neighbor’s godson to use. The blade is circular and pulled down onto a table.
I don’t know the names of tools, I just know how to use most of ‘em.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:39 pm
…………… and they fight the sea even when there is no war.
http://www.uscg.mil/history/uscghist/USCGSBKIA.asp
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:39 pm
Just to be clear, I just wanted to mention he was a Dem.
There’s absolutely nothing good that can come from making such a claim in this context. It can only lead downhill.
Even Obama can’t salute the soldier when he gets off Air Force One, his salute is the most pathetic salute of all times…
like, say, the above.
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:39 pm
Heck, didn’t Kerry basically call military folks stupid a few years ago?
md
March 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Have to say that for somebody that calls everyone that disagrees with him/her “con”, saying others are “sick” is a bit rich……………..
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Normal:
Marines dig “fighting holes” not “fox holes”.
Foxes hide in holes.
The Army digs foxholes.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Paul
March 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:41 pm
Heck, didn’t Kerry basically call military folks stupid a few years ago?
well no, he didn’t. But that didn’t keep unscrupulous people from misquoting his mildly botched one liner (about Bush “getting us stuck in Iraq”) and claiming it meant something that it didn’t.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
3:41 pm
I’ll second your notion about jackassery having no particular political affiliation.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
3:41 pm
BMDPD… I am willing to accept their word for it on this blog, just as I am willing to accept you word that you are an actual adult despite posts that suggest rather childish posting. If someone posts something later that calls that into serious question, I’ll learn to deal with it just as we have had to deal with child on this blog
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:41 pm
AmVet:
You’re a complete embarrassment.
Externalizing again, are ‘ya?
It’ll never fix what ails you.
I’ve gotta go pick up some tape.
jm
March 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
Scout 3:40
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
@Stand for Decibels
Pardon me for pointing out a fact, he is a Democrat. And if I believe that Obama is not one of the most military supportive presidents that is my opinion. You should respect that.
Jordan
March 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
My son is a US Marine and he just got back from Afghanistan Tuesday. He said its hopeless. The Afghans police and personnel he worked with will never be good for anything. They are just going through the motions. We can stay there a 100 years and it will be just like it is now. Stop the insanity and get the hell out.
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
Keep, What childish posts? Show me his DD-214, that will tell me all I need to know about him.
Tommy Maddox
March 31st, 2011
3:44 pm
So, for all those clowns that claimed Iraq and Afghanistan was started for the benefit of BP and Haliburton, I had no idea that Obama held stock in those companies.
williebkind
March 31st, 2011
3:45 pm
I hate Jane Fonda!
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:45 pm
Jordan….I agree how ever I am not sure that getting out will make it better.
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:45 pm
stands:
Before I leave. What matters most is that the troops believed that John Kerry thought they were stupid.
Probably had something to do with Kerry’s own military record and their lack of respect for HIM!!!!
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:45 pm
Keep, you stick up for him because he is on your side! You can be kicked out for drugs or breaking the law, but you are still a vet!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
3:45 pm
BMDPD….do cite for us all the requirement that AmVet or any other poster show you any “papers” as a requirement to express their opinion? Do I have to poit out the terms of service like I had to yesterday for the clown child?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 31st, 2011
3:46 pm
If the Afghan people are unwilling to take this opportunity and make the most of it we need to stop losing the lives of our military. If they do not embrace the change we need to get the hell out of that dreadful place.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
3:46 pm
That would be a mitre saw @@.
jm
March 31st, 2011
3:46 pm
Jordan, GW – leave 10-15k troops (special forces +), drones, air support and some artillery to play whack a mole with the bad guys and keep them in check. Bring the rest home.
Make it unsafe for them, but cut the US and military family costs.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 31st, 2011
3:47 pm
BMDPD…really? Try Scout Zero….he’ll tell you I dont agree with much of the nonsense he posts but I respect his service.
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:47 pm
Am Vet, I am not questioning your service or the integrity of your service. I am making a point that anyone can be anyone they want to be on a blog.
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:47 pm
Jm….may not be a bad solution.
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:50 pm
What matters most is that the troops believed that John Kerry thought they were stupid.
well, I guess if you can find two guys in uniform who believe that, you can claim “the troops” did. Sure.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:50 pm
Punch them in the nose AmVet.
Amazing what happens when you do.
williebkind
March 31st, 2011
3:50 pm
This is the result of a war where you do not make war so horrible that men, women, and children fear for their lives every minute of every day. You fight the war like we did WWII or we do not fight at all. No more Koreas, Viet Nams, and Afghanistans. Just remember when you save the lives of their children you are taking the lives of your children. That is not a good swap for any religion.
md
March 31st, 2011
3:51 pm
“Do I have to poit out the terms of service like I had to yesterday for the clown child?”
High or low road? Didn’t your previous post say something about posting like a child??
jm
March 31st, 2011
3:51 pm
GW – problem is, we need a base in Afghanistan from which to operate. If we draw down, I see it as likely they will try to eject us completely.
Playing whack-a-mole from aircraft carriers is not terribly feasible. So it will probably take massive financial payments instead. Of course, it can’t cost more than what we’re spending now.
jm
March 31st, 2011
3:52 pm
getalife 3:50 big talk for a 6th grader
WOW
March 31st, 2011
3:52 pm
Well, it’s officially over 500 posts.
Braves win so it’s off to a good start for Fredi Gonzalez!
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:53 pm
Senator John Kerry
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq!”
If that is not degrading to the military, then I don’t know what is!!!!
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:53 pm
“getalife 3:50 big talk for a 6th grader”
I know you are but what am I ?
Nanananana.
md
March 31st, 2011
3:53 pm
“If the Afghan people are unwilling to take this opportunity and make the most of it we need to stop losing the lives of our military.”
Why should they, they have the US military out front doing it for them………much like some of the dependence in this country………
WOW
March 31st, 2011
3:53 pm
“And I despise gultess turds like thelma who don’t respect anybody, including themselves.”
What’s a gultess turd? Vet, again, spell check is your comrade.
“Punch them in the nose AmVet. ”
Nothing like advocating violence from the “tolerant’ left.
George W
March 31st, 2011
3:54 pm
jay….how much do you make off of each post?
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
3:54 pm
willieb, you are right. You can’t win a war via politically correct means. You have to be mean, ruthless and not care about public opinion.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
Did you get paid more for 500 wow.
Give me some of that money
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
Not good news for the cons:
BOSTON (Reuters) – Young voters, who were crucial to President Barack Obama’s election in 2008, have not soured on him and now support the Democrat in greater numbers than in the fall, according to a Harvard University poll.
The survey also showed that young voters worry most about the economy, and still turn to traditional news outlets for political coverage.
In the latest iteration of Harvard’s Institute of Politics poll of 18 to 29 year olds, 55 percent of the so-called Millenial Generation approve of Obama’s job performance, up by six percentage points from the previous poll in October.
About 10 million Latino voters cast ballots in 2008. And with 500000 new voters joining the rolls every year, as many as 12 million Latinos expected to vote come 2012.
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq!”
His one liner was missing the word “us”, as in, “you get us stuck in Iraq.”
He was, of course, speaking about GW Bush.
But you go right on believing what you like
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
This is the result of a war where you do not make war so horrible that…
Chinggis Khaan, arguably one of the most ruthless conquerors known couldn’t take Afghanistan and it was in his back yard.
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
3:56 pm
Am Vet, I am not questioning your service or the integrity of your service. I am making a point that anyone can be anyone they want to be on a blog.
No offense taken, sailor.
I’d never doubt your’s or anyone elses. Kansas naivety? Also, my mom taught me to look for the good in people, not the bad.
The biggest majority of people here are cool, and for the most part, even though we fuss and fight like a dysfunctional family, we get along OK. Especially during Friday Night Music, when we put down our ideological swords and pick up an instrument/sing along. Check it out sometime. It’s big fun and the music, of all genres, rocks.
A tiny few are ignorant POS’s.
What can ya say?
As Paul noted earlier, it’s a microcosm of real life…
stands for decibels
March 31st, 2011
3:56 pm
Anyway, I’d love to hang around and see whatever symptoms materialize from Kerry Derangement Syndrome, but more producin’ awaits. Later, all.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
3:57 pm
Just 21% Say U.S. Has Clearly Defined Mission in Libya
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2011/just_21_say_u_s_has_clearly_defined_mission_in_libya
WOW
March 31st, 2011
3:57 pm
“Also, my mom taught me to look for the good in people, not the bad.”
Then
“A tiny few are ignorant POS’s.”
Guess your mom didn’t teach you common sense.
Fred
March 31st, 2011
3:57 pm
@@
March 31st, 2011
3:39 pm
Come to think of it…it could’ve been a circular saw or circular table saw I taught my neighbor’s godson to use. The blade is circular and pulled down onto a table
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sounds like a miter saw.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
3:58 pm
“The biggest majority of people here are cool, and for the most part, even though we fuss and fight like a dysfunctional family, we get along OK. ‘
Yeah, it’s just that most of the time you spend it calling people trolls, humpers, racist nazi bigots etc.
jm
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
WOW. War of the Worlds?
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
getalife, I did love your observation about punching blog bullies in the nose and then watching them cry.
Speaking of non-stop crybabies, someone tell the out-of-control auto-responder, its a euphemism…
getalife
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
“Yeah, it’s just that most of the time you spend it calling people trolls, humpers, racist nazi bigots etc.”
Sensitive.
md
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
sfd @ 3:55,
That explanation makes no sense………Kerry knows GWB graduated from Yale and Harvard…..to make that change is just silly.
jm
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
WOW. Or. War of Words?
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
“Young voters, who were crucial to President Barack Obama’s election in 2008, have not soured on him and now support the Democrat in greater numbers than in the fall, according to a Harvard University poll.”
A Harvard poll. The same Harvard that Obama got into with affirmative action. Gee, imagine that.
Fred
March 31st, 2011
4:01 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Normal:
Marines dig “fighting holes” not “fox holes”.
Foxes hide in holes.
The Army digs foxholes.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m sick scout so I’m gonna cut you a break on that. I didn’t meet the qualifications to get in the Marines: my parents were not only married, but they weren’t brother and sister…………..
BMDPD = USN Retired
March 31st, 2011
4:01 pm
sfd, we know what he meant to say. He said what he really thinks! What was that shrink’s name, Sigmond Fraud? Kerry, he had one of them “Fraudian Slips”.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
4:01 pm
jm
Seems like the GOP has gone full in on the prepetual political war….
In a closed door caucus meeting today, a source who was present tells me, Speaker John Boehner reassured Republicans nervous about the ongoing budget standoff with Dems by vowing to “kick their ass.”
“If we stick together and keep the pressure on the Democrats, we’re going to win this fight,” Boehner told assembled Republicans, according to the source. “We’re gonna kick their ass.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/boehner-on-dems-were-gonna-kick-their-ass/2011/03/03/AFzJf73B_blog.html
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:01 pm
“Sensitive.”
Nope, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
4:02 pm
AmVet,
That is twice.
Knockout in the third round.
These trolls are boring.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:02 pm
“I did love your observation about punching blog bullies in the nose and then watching them cry.”
How does one watch a blogger cry?
“Speaking of non-stop crybabies, someone tell the out-of-control auto-responder, its a euphemism…”
Dodge, duck, dive, divert, dodge.
BMDPD
March 31st, 2011
4:03 pm
Good for Boehner! Rahm E. would have never said anthing like that, huh?
AmVet
March 31st, 2011
4:03 pm
“Fraudian Slips”.
LOL, that’s great!
I may have to Joe Biden that one from you, BMDPD…
jm
March 31st, 2011
4:03 pm
SoCo 4:01- well, its hard not to sympathize with him after the Dems came out with their gameplan to call the Republicans extreme. At least he didn’t say “we’re going to lie about these people and call them radicals”. He just said: we’re going to beat them. That’s the arena and the Dems took the gloves off first.
BMDPD
March 31st, 2011
4:04 pm
Ya’ll Americans have a good day!
BMDPD, out!
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:05 pm
“Does getalife ever have a single thing of revelance to say? ”
No. Not one single thing.
getalife
March 31st, 2011
4:06 pm
So how much do they pay you wow for 500 posts?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
4:06 pm
jm
A true statesman would respond with the truth and sensible talk and not lower himself to fighting in the mud. I guess that’s why we have no true statesmen in elected office and are stuck with damned politicians.
Del
March 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
Scout@3:40…I have a few doggie buddies who would have some fun with those words. I won’t provide any samples. ISFH
jm
March 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
WOW 4:05 – second that.
Wazza WOW stand for? inquiring minds wanna know.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
“So how much do they pay you wow for 500 posts?”
This is getalifes theme song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRiSb_Ir-s
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
“Wazza WOW stand for? inquiring minds wanna know.”
I believe Debbiedoright and I had this discussion one day. She sent me a page of what WOW could stand for but I forgot which one I picked.
jm
March 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
SoCo – statesmanship, such as it exists, only occurs in the Senate. Sometimes.
I like Boehner and I think he’s a really good guy at heart and doing what he thinks is best for the country. As a matter of fact, I’d venture to say most (ok, maybe only 2/3 or less) people are there for that reason, at least initially, both Dem and Repub.
But as a body, they’re an unholy mess.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:10 pm
“Go marlins”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! The Marlins!!!!!!!!! They can’t even pay people to watch that team play.
carlosgvv
March 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
Southern Comfort
You have to go way back in American History to find true statesmen in elected office. That we do not now is a big part of the dumbing down of America.
Real Scooter
March 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
I’ve had all the fun I can stand for one day yall.
Bring the troops home and give the survivers a parade that they deserve!
josef nix
March 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
Damn, Jay, nearly 900 posts on a single thread for the day..Was gibt’s?
On topic: it’s time to wind down on that one in Afghanistan…turn it over to some other democratic state to police the place,
And otherwise I see it’s the afternoon insult fest, so, here I be…
BTW
GBI at school today doing their investigation…wheee…your tax dollars at work…
Fred
March 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
Actually Kam, Genghis Khan did conquer Afghanistan. He just wasn’t able to stamp out Islam or hold it long.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
“Bring the troops home and give the survivers a parade that they deserve!”
The libs would spit on them like they did to Vietnam Vets.
jm
March 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
For anyone interested in the Streets of Buckhead. Good news and details.
The Streets of Buckhead will still be an upscale mixed-use project with two high-rise apartment buildings. And no hotels. That’s the vision shared by the new owners of Atlanta’s most talked about stalled retail project. OliverMcMillan will continue to pursue a mix of luxury and specialty retailers for the project but declined to name any specific tenants. He was quick to say the look would be a “village” concept versus “trying to create a … version of Rodeo Drive.” Hunter says OliverMcMillan should be closing on the property in Q2 with construction commencing by year’s end. Aside from the apartment towers, the project will include 350k SF of retail and 40k to 50k SF of office space.
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
“The same Harvard that Obama got into with affirmative action. Gee, imagine that.”
Smile, you dont wear hater well.
Spend some time working on that 12M Hispanic voting block you cons will have to contend with and the 18 to 29 year olds block also.
You do know that in 4 years, some of those OLD GOP voting block kicked the bucket,
while the 18-29 continue to thrive.
Cons, you got your work cut out for ya.
USMC dawg
March 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
“I’m sick scout so I’m gonna cut you a break on that. I didn’t meet the qualifications to get in the Marines: my parents were not only married, but they weren’t brother and sister…………..”
LOL!
USMC= Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Gasoline up 100% under Obama
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/mar/30/gas-prices-double-under-obama/
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
jm
There’s pols, on both sides, that I think are there for the right reasons. I think it’s the outside pressure that turns them all into sh*t-for-brains.
carlos
Those days are long gone, and I don’t think we’ll see them again.
josef nix
March 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
WOW
“Yeah, it’s just that most of the time you spend it calling people trolls, humpers, racist nazi bigots etc.”
Every family has its rotten apples…
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
“Spend some time working on that 12M Hispanic voting block you cons will have to contend with and the 18 to 29 year olds block also.”
Bush did pretty darn well with the Hispanic vote. Besides, if there are no jobs why would they vote for Obama?
“while the 18-29 continue to thrive.”
Yeah, they thrive by living at home with their parents.
“Cons, you got your work cut out for ya.”
BWAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHA
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:16 pm
“Every family has its rotten apples…”
So you’re admitting Vet is a rotten apple.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
4:17 pm
Jordan, Just seen your earlier post about Afghanistan and I agree 100% with you, please tell your son thank you for his brave service.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
USMC= Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children.
I haven’t heard that one in a while. Reminds me of my cousins joking on each other at family gatherings. No service component was spared…..
George W
March 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
WOW and Getalife….1 out of every 9 18-29 black males are in prison…I dont think we have to worry about them.
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Isn’t Harvard the same University that threw the Army Recruiter out? so were to believe a Liberal school, Riiiigggght!
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:20 pm
“1 out of every 9 18-29 black males are in prison…I dont think we have to worry about them.”
George, do you have me mixed up with a left winger? I noticed you wrote something sarcastic to me this morning.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
“Isn’t Harvard the same University that threw the Army Recruiter out?”
Yes.
josef nix
March 31st, 2011
4:22 pm
jm
Some of us just wish Streets of Buckhead would fall flat as a flitter…
WOW
“Admit” AmVet is a rotten apple? I’d venture he takes pride in the label…he should!
Get Real
March 31st, 2011
4:22 pm
The liberal progressive dribble is out in force today. Obama has lost the independents and that is what won him the election. That is not to say he could not win them back but as of this moment he is down and out…
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:24 pm
New thread upstairs.
“Obama has lost the independents and that is what won him the election. ”
Yep, he has.
“That is not to say he could not win them back”
He won’t.
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
“Bush did pretty darn well with the Hispanic vote. Besides, if there are no jobs why would they vote for Obama?”
Bush got 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004, he got only 35% in 2000
Obama 67% (2008)
There were NO jobs in 2008 and we were losing almost 800k a month and they still voted 67%.
As the economy continues to grow, those numbers will grow.
“Yeah, they thrive by living at home with their parents.”
And health insurance up til their 26
George W
March 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
WOW…no i know you stand for the good.
James
March 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
For once I agree with Bookman. BRING THEM ALL HOME, NOW!!
Get Real
March 31st, 2011
4:28 pm
Wow…to me the biggest factor is that before the 2008 election Obama for the most part was an unknown commodity. Well, that ship has sailed, now people have clear insight as to what the man is and more precisely isn’t
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:28 pm
“As the economy continues to grow, those numbers will grow.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!
Kamchak
March 31st, 2011
4:28 pm
Actually Kam, Genghis Khan did conquer Afghanistan. He just wasn’t able to stamp out Islam or hold it long.
Not during his lifetime according to the maps I have seen.
Despite his ruthless reputation, he was known to be tolerant of all religions and knowing that his people were nomadic in nature, chose locals to be governors of his conquered lands.
Evidently he was quite randy also. Just about everyone in the environs of modern Ulaanbaatar shares his DNA.
Jordan
March 31st, 2011
4:30 pm
poison pen
March 31st, 2011
4:17 pm
Jordan, Just seen your earlier post about Afghanistan and I agree 100% with you, please tell your son thank you for his brave service.
Thank you I will tell him. He had sent me a picture with him and some of his fellow marines with two or three Afghan police and he told me the Afghan guys in the picture were all dead. I asked what happened to them. Seems they took a IED into the police headquarters to disarm it. They cut the top cord but not the bottom cord and it blew them all to hell.
Joe Cool
March 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
As the economy continues to grow, those numbers will grow.
“HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!”
Numbers dont lie.
Unemployment is down
The new jobs report is going to make you look bad (approx. 210,000 added for March)
But I know for a con, that bad news.
Smile, you dont wear hater well.
WOW
March 31st, 2011
4:36 pm
“Unemployment is down”
9% is down? LOL
“The new jobs report is going to make you look bad (approx. 210,000 added for March)”
LOL!!!!!!!!!! Link please.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 31st, 2011
4:37 pm
Fred:
LOL !
A.R.M.Y. (AIN’T READY to be a MARINE YET)
George W
March 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
WOW….he doesnt get…..Joe wants to defend his king at all costs.
Get Real
March 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
Joe Not Kool……I certainly want the economy to come back as it does no one any good for it to remain anemic. However, we disagree on the compelling factor to the recovery. It is not Obama and the runaway Democratic spending train rather it is the fact that Republicans won the House in a historic landslide have started to plug the leaks in our hemorrhaging debt and deficits…
George W
March 31st, 2011
4:47 pm
Test
George W
March 31st, 2011
4:49 pm
Isnt it funny that no one on this blog has mentioned bill SB-5 that was passed in Ohio today……Bye bye unions!
@@
March 31st, 2011
5:10 pm
SoCo:
In response to my story, you said:
@@
Good story, although I’m thinking that some here wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t fit their opinion and/or outlook.
In a coupl’a ways, it does:
Anyhoo, the program placed certain demands on the participants. They were required to pay $5.00 a week for childcare. If they didn’t, they were to be expelled from the program. It never happened…government programs never follow thru with consequences.
When the girls had been suspended, they were required to show up at the church and care for their own children. Again…they were to be expelled from the program if they didn’t. They didn’t but were never expelled.
By not following thru with consequences, government cripples. The number allowed into the program was/is limited. When 17 out of 18 girls think it oughta be free, it’s possible that other girls like the one I mentioned, were left to slip thru the cracks. What a shame, when it’s girls like her that could have contributed more positively…served as a more positive role model.
Bottom line? In order for government to be seen as necessary, they serve as accomplices in creating dependents, or dependence, if you will.
The only way we can improve the situation is to not be an accomplice to government’s wrong doing. It’ll be hard…some who speak out will suffer verbal attacks. In the long run though, everyone will be the better for it.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 31st, 2011
5:23 pm
@@
Well made points, and I agree. What the citizens should do is take their anger out on the politicians and not each other when the government fails to do what it’s supposed to do. I have no problem with holding people accountable for their actions. I found out long ago that when you drop the hammer a few times, everyone else gets the idea. They either fall in line and follow the rules, or they removed themselves from the situation.
I can have a heart of gold when needed. However, I have no problems with enforcing rules to the letter, even if it means making difficult choices.
Lil' Barry Bailout
March 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
Mo. to drop extended benefits for unemployed
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – Thousands of people in Missouri who have been unemployed for more than a year soon will lose their jobless benefits, marking a significant victory for Republican fiscal hawks who are crusading against government spending.
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A little fiscal sanity restored. Americans are putting an end to the gravy train for folks who choose not to work.
@@
March 31st, 2011
5:51 pm
SoCo:
Well made points, and I agree.
I’m glad to hear that. One party encourages independence, the other offers everything but…
Most giveaways are offered up by the DNC and I don’t think their intentions are altruistic in nature. I think their intention is to build on their political power and nothing more.
That’s the way I see it and only because I care.
Tundra Dude
March 31st, 2011
7:03 pm
AmVet@12:49 wrote:
Famous people born on this day:
1596, Rene Descartes, he thought, therefore he was.
1732, Joseph Haydn, composer, helped develop the Classical style.
1809, Edward FitzGerald, writer, “Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.”
and ME & Al Gore……if ida known, wudda gladly stayed in for another day or 2…..
Adam
March 31st, 2011
7:26 pm
George W: I don’t have time to go through 10 pages of posts to find out George W, but did you ever get back to me on what part of Obama’s Birth Certificate is in question and why?
Lil' Barry Bailout
March 31st, 2011
8:38 pm
The Idiot Messiah’s birth certificate hasn’t been made public so every part of it is in question.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
9:31 pm
LBB: I see you too failed to read the article
Lil' Barry Bailout
March 31st, 2011
9:40 pm
We’ve Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers
More Americans work for the government than in manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining and utilities combined.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704050204576219073867182108.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
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Takers = Parasites.
Lil' Barry Bailout
March 31st, 2011
10:18 pm
Unless the Idiot Messiah’s original birth certificate is included in whatever article it is that you’re talking about, it doesn’t matter.
Smyrna
March 31st, 2011
10:20 pm
“U.S. military balks at promised Afghan drawdown”
Gee, I always thought the President of the United States was the Commander in Chief of our military forces. When the President starts taking orders from the generals, or allows them to disregard his instructions, the nation is in serious trouble.
Not a huge Obama fan here, but he either needs to insist that his orders are followed to a tee or send some rogue generals to early retirement. He’s already done it once.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:39 pm
LBB: So you basically are just making an excuse for not reading it. It DOES include the original certificate. Now go read it.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:43 pm
Here, read THIS JKL2.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/apr/28/allen-west/west-says-nearly-half-americans-pay-no-taxes/
ALL of it now, don’t get stuck on some part of it you LIKE while avoiding the rest.
Adam
March 31st, 2011
10:43 pm
Eep, wrong thread…
TnGelding
March 31st, 2011
11:49 pm
It’s time to lick our wounds and mind our own business! And oh yeah, rebuild our treasury.
Gandalf, The White
April 1st, 2011
12:56 am
Barry lied,
American Soldiers Died!
IMPEECH THE LIAR