U.S. military balks at promised Afghan drawdown

From The Washington Post:

Military leaders and President Obama’s civilian advisers are girding for battle over the size and pace of the planned pullout of U.S. troops from Afghanistan this summer, with the military seeking to limit a reduction in combat forces and the White House pressing for a withdrawal substantial enough to placate a war-weary electorate.

Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top allied commander in Afghanistan, has not presented a recommendation on the withdrawal to his superiors at the Pentagon, but some senior officers and military planning documents have described the July pullout as small to insignificant, prompting deep concern within the White House.

At a meeting of his war cabinet this month, Obama expressed displeasure with such characterizations of the withdrawal, according to three senior officials with direct knowledge of the session. “The president made it clear that he wants a meaningful drawdown to start in July,” said one of the officials, who, like the others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to share internal discussions….

Two senior military officials said one set of options being developed by staff officers in Kabul involves three choices: the removal of almost no forces; the withdrawal of a few thousand support personnel, including headquarters staff, engineers and logisticians; and the pullout of a brigade’s worth of troops — about 5,000 personnel— by culling a battalion of Marines in Helmand province that was added after the surge, a contingent of soldiers training Afghan security forces and an Army infantry battalion in either the country’s east or far west.

I don’t blame Petraeus and other military leaders for trying to keep as much manpower as possible in Afghanistan. They’ve fought hard and sacrificed a lot for whatever progress they’ve been able to make, and they naturally don’t want to see it all evaporate.

But in the end, it’s not their decision, and it shouldn’t be. I don’t know how much time is enough time, but I do know the tenth anniversary of our invasion of Afghanistan is coming up. I don’t know how much money is enough money, but at this point it’s costing us $120 billion a year. And I don’t know how many American lives this is all worth, especially given the dismal performance of the Afghan government that we’re trying to defend. But last year we lost 499 soldiers and Marines, in that cause, and another 73 have been killed so far this year, with the spring fighting season yet to begin.

It’s time to start drawing down. It’s time to start handing Afghanistan’s fate back to its people.

– Jay Bookman

937 comments Add your comment

Normal

March 31st, 2011
8:21 am

If I were President, I would be shouting from the top of the West Wing…BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 31st, 2011
8:22 am

Good article Jay…It is time to bring them all home,

Mick

March 31st, 2011
8:24 am

Bring the boys home….now

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
8:26 am

Bring ‘em home!

Road Scholar

March 31st, 2011
8:31 am

Start with a meaningful withdraw…

carlosgvv

March 31st, 2011
8:31 am

It seems strange, at first, to wonder why anyone would want us to stay in Afghanistan any longer. I am thinking of the Republicans, led by John McCain. Once it is understood that the number one priority of the Republicans is keeping their corporate sponsors happy, it begins to make sense. As long as we have large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, defense contractors will stay in the money. As always, money talks and BS walks.

WOW

March 31st, 2011
8:32 am

“But in the end, it’s not their decision, and it shouldn’t be. ”

Yeah, cuz an experienced community agitator who lived off his wife’s U of Chicago income knows more about military strategy than a guy who was successful as a military general.

“It’s time to start drawing down. It’s time to start handing Afghanistan’s fate back to its people. ‘

Were you in the military, Jay?

Thought not.

Granny Godzilla

March 31st, 2011
8:34 am

Bring them home NOW

that's just goofy

March 31st, 2011
8:34 am

we are never going to be out of Afghanistan or Iraq. We will always have people there. History shows what happens when we involve ourselves in that region and do not finish the job.

kayaker 71

March 31st, 2011
8:38 am

Please don’t let this become an election issue, i.e, not withdrawing “enough” troops means fewer votes for Bozo in 2012.

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
8:38 am

“and they naturally don’t want to see it all evaporate.”
But it is evaporating, Jay. We don’t have the intestinal fortitude anymore. Stop the bombing in Libya, begin the withdrawals from Afghanistan and Iraq.

Mick

March 31st, 2011
8:42 am

wow

Why don’t you go to afghanistan, then? Afghanistan took down the ussr and we are going down the same path, its over man..

Normal

March 31st, 2011
8:46 am

Have we all become so numb to these wars that we are worried that bringing our troops home will mean more Democratic votes?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 31st, 2011
8:47 am

Military engagements are used to achieve political objectives. Withdrawal does not mean that the military failed. They did not. The political objective of removing the Taliban was achieved. The political objective of catchin OBL failed. The political objective of nation building failed.

Despite the macho chest beating of some blogger who is not in the field of battle about only the military can make these decisions, that is a ridiculous proposition and the withdrawal will be because the remaining political objectives are unlikely to be achieved.

Rational

March 31st, 2011
8:49 am

For once, I actually agree with Jay. When we went into Afghanistan after 9/11, we had the stated goal of hunting down and destroying Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Our real objective had nothing to do with establishing democracy in the country. Now we are fighting the people of a foreign country to impose our ideals and government on a people that may or may not want it. I say we should leave, and let Special Forces and the intelligence community monitor Al Qaeda and destroy them piecemeal when we find them.

And for some people that want to argue with everything anyone says, I’ll make it easy on you. No, I’ve never been in the military, no I’m not a military genius, no I’ve never been to Afghanistan and don’t know what the situation is over there. I do agree with the military point of view that it sucks to loose whatever progress you’ve fought and died for, but it isn’t their choice and shouldn’t be.

Real Scooter

March 31st, 2011
8:50 am

Have we all become so numb to these wars that we are worried that bringing our troops home will mean more Democratic votes?

Not all of us Normal. Thank goodness. BRINGUM HOME!

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
8:51 am

WOW needs to go to Afghanistan and show us how to win in ten years or less. Go for it.

vietnam vet

March 31st, 2011
8:53 am

The Commander-in-Chief has the authority to end the war now. He doesn’t need the approval of the military.End this fiasco. Bring the troops home now.

WOW

March 31st, 2011
8:54 am

“Why don’t you go to afghanistan, then? Afghanistan took down the ussr and we are going down the same path, its over man..”

I love how people totally ignore the facts about what is bringing the US down financially. HINT: It ain’t Afghanistan.

“WOW needs to go to Afghanistan and show us how to win in ten years or less. Go for it.”

Why, Obama and Bush have done it for me.

Oh, and btw, Obama will not bring the troops home. In fact, he and other left wingers stated that Afghan was/is the “good right war.”

Take it up with Bush/Carter 2.0, ladies.

Jonas

March 31st, 2011
8:56 am

It is truly crazy to continue to follow the Vietnam/Rumsfeld model or “warring”- you don’t win a war as a minimalist. Either declare war and destroy the “enemy” as we did in pushing the Iraqi red brigade (whatever) out of Kuwait or don’t even attempt. There are only losers when you play not to lose.

Normal

March 31st, 2011
8:57 am

vietnam vet

March 31st, 2011
8:53 am

Welcome home.

Misty Fyed

March 31st, 2011
8:57 am

It’s great to agree… Bring them home..AND
Let’s establish a new cabinet member and call him the Minister of Historical Precedence. We’ll charge him with making sure we don’t make the same mistakes others made costing precious lives and billions of dollars.

md

March 31st, 2011
8:58 am

And Dog…..there is no contradiction…..it is a game of odds………

WOW

March 31st, 2011
8:58 am

“Military engagements are used to achieve political objectives.”

WW2 was a political objective, Skittles Poop Unicorn?

“Withdrawal does not mean that the military failed. ”

You must have missed Vietnam.

“The political objective of removing the Taliban was achieved. The political objective of catchin OBL failed. The political objective of nation building failed.”

The Taliban is still there. OBL is dead and has been for a very long time.

“Despite the macho chest beating of some blogger who is not in the field of battle about only the military can make these decisions, that is a ridiculous proposition and the withdrawal will be because the remaining political objectives are unlikely to be achieved.”

So you’re talking about yourself now.

“I am thinking of the Republicans, led by John McCain. ‘

Unless John Mccain is a chameleon and changed his pasty white skin to that of a half black half white president named Obama…….

Obama is in charge and will not bring them home.

Remember, it’s not what Obama says, it’s what his teleprompter says.

Normal

March 31st, 2011
8:59 am

Misty Fyed

March 31st, 2011
8:57 am

Well said!

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:01 am

Rational@8:49
” impose our ideals and government on a people”
Not really. When I was in Iraq, we went out our way not to “impose” anything. Even to not putting a cross on top of the camp chapel. We did a lot rebuilding, roads, schools, etc. Even to planning a lift station for a local village. We met with local village councils and tried to improve their lives as much as we could.
Optimistic days. This was of course during the “blood for oil” days. We were total idiots. “You can lead a horse to water, etc”. Doesn’t help when a large chunk of the population aren’t supporting you. There are a good many twenty-somethings in the unit now. I can’t see continuing this debacle and having them face the same thing.

willie lynch

March 31st, 2011
9:04 am

Let’s bring them home. This should be a case study in the futility of a “war on terror”.

DW

March 31st, 2011
9:07 am

BRING EM HOME. Nobody is going to “win” in afghanastan… never have, never will.

deegee

March 31st, 2011
9:07 am

Okay, so big deal. We pushed bin Laden out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Bush played footsie with Mubarak for years while we kept pouring money into his coffers. Pakistan doesn’t give a rats azz about Al Qaeda or Afghanistan, they hate India.

The people of Afghanistan want what everyone else wants which is to live their lives in peace without the threat of extortion and bribery at the hands of their government. It isn’t our job to provide that to them, we have enough of that here. It isn’t our job to provide security and infrastructure in a country in which China is exploiting. Get out and get out now.

Rational

March 31st, 2011
9:07 am

I meant imposing our political ideals on people. Like you said, you can lead a horse to water, or in this case you can lead a tribesman to democracy, but you can’t make him accept it. The different tribes are always going to want their top guy to be the top guy of the country. I would never expect that the US Military would try to impose any type of religious belief on anyone. I was meaning that in the general sense of trying to force them to accept democracy when it seems obvious that a large portion of them don’t want it.

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:08 am

“chunk of the population aren’t supporting you.”
I should have put that: the US population aren’t supporting you.

Johns Creek Resident

March 31st, 2011
9:09 am

Let us get out of Afghanistan, and go ahead and bomb Libya. Who is kidding whom?

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
9:09 am

WOW, if you’re not too old, you can still enlist and head on over to Afghanistan and show us how to win a war. How many years will it take you so we can plan on throwing you a welcome home party.

Jimmy62

March 31st, 2011
9:09 am

I remember not so long ago when the liberals were all talking about how Iraq was a bad war and Afghanistan was a good one. Turns out when they said that, they were lying. What a surprise, liberals lying to try to get their way!

AmVet

March 31st, 2011
9:11 am

Another really well written and balanced article, Jay.

With that said, how many more of our soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen need to die to placate craven chickenhawks?

This veterans says the answer is ZERO.

Deep Throat

March 31st, 2011
9:11 am

Lest we forget, we only invaded afghanistan after being attacked. The threat that hijacked those four jet airliners is still capable of mounting another such attack and will once the pressure is off.
How much time is enough, how much money is enough, ask the innocent victims of 9/11.
Sure we sit back in our safety zones with our opinions, a president making a decision to remove troops only to get votes, and you, if I was to ask do you support our troops you’d say yes. I say that is BS. I f you supported our troops you would be tell the politicians to give them EVERYTHING they need to win, to eliminate the threat, you would cheer LOUDLY for their ( OUR ) victory.
War is not political, when one places politics with our troops we see our flag falter.

Paul

March 31st, 2011
9:11 am

“Were you in the military, Jay?”

Were you in the military, WOW?

CW

March 31st, 2011
9:12 am

Dear WOW, Jay is correct that ultimately the decison rests with the President not the military (per the US Constitution). Re Vietnam, in the overall context of the Cold War, Vietnam was consistent with the strategy of containment and while it did great harm to the US (deaths, US government credibility and general public psychology), it was one more step toward breaking the USSR. Obama will bring the troops home, but he might stretch out the timetable. Also, Karzai wants us out too and the Afghan military has started taking the lead in several provinces.

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:12 am

Rational@9:07
“trying to force them to accept democracy”
We didn’t even do that. Each little village had it’s elders and leaders. We never tried to disrupt that. It would probably have worked better if we had imposed. Live and learn.

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
9:12 am

So, are Republicans claiming that we should stay in Afghanistan or leave.

AmVet

March 31st, 2011
9:13 am

“I remember not so long ago when the liberals were all talking…”

At that point I stopped reading.

There is only so much BS I can tolerate this early in the morning…

Paul

March 31st, 2011
9:14 am

WOW, whether or not someones was in the military is no more relevant than whether or not the President of Ford ever worked an assembly line or owned a dealership. President has legal authority from Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution. Blind acceptance of military recommendations would have led Pres Truman to defer to General MacArthur and would have led to war with China. Executives receive recommendations from qualified individual, consider the arguments and make a decision.

That’s the way it works at the senior executive level

Rational

March 31st, 2011
9:16 am

Joel, you may be correct. I don’t know, like I said, I’ve never been. I’ll take your word for it that we haven’t tried to impose anything on them. I do know that we seem to have given them the idea, and the means to implement the idea, now we need to step back and let them do what they will with what we’ve given them.

ty webb

March 31st, 2011
9:18 am

Good article Jay. And a major kudos for having the intestinal fortitude to not use the word “inherited”(or any synonyms). Lord knows it had to be tough.

Chris

March 31st, 2011
9:19 am

So Jay by your thinking, if we “draw down” substantially leaving our troops left on the ground more vulnerable to be killed, captured or worse, this is a risk you are willing to take with others lives? Draw Downs are nothing but political fodder for these bozo politicians to apease the masses. The ONLY thing they accomplish is getting more Americans killed

Paul

March 31st, 2011
9:19 am

Jay,

Nice presentation. Key issue I see it is a corrupt government, much as the government of South Vietnam was corrupt, regardless of who was in charge. We can do all we want ‘for the people’ but the gov’t corruption will always work against us. Doesn’t matter what we do for the people, the corruption will counter those moves.

Military’s preparing options. That’s what they do. They understand that while they may have their preferred course of action from a military perspective it is up to the Commander in Chief to balance the political, economic, and other considerations from other sources that will affect the desired outcome and make a decision.

You do understand that, WOW?

’sides, Jay, he’s gonna need those resources when the CIA forces on the ground in Libya get overtaxed supplying and training the rebels! (not intended as a red herring, just a quip – )

AmVet

March 31st, 2011
9:19 am

On a related note, there is some great news in north Africa:

BRUSSELS — NATO’s operational commander is warning forces attacking civilians in Libya that they would be “ill-advised” to continue such activities.

Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard, a Canadian now heading the international operation, says the transition of command from the U.S. had been “seamless with no gaps.”

Bouchard briefed reporters from his command center near Naples on Thursday, his first day as commander of the international operation.

WOW

March 31st, 2011
9:20 am

“WOW, if you’re not too old, you can still enlist and head on over to Afghanistan and show us how to win a war. How many years will it take you so we can plan on throwing you a welcome home party.’

Trust me, I’ve thought about enlisting many times. There is nothing more honorable than to serve one’s country.

“Another really well written and balanced article, Jay.”

Jay didn’t write the WaPost article, Vet.

“With that said, how many more of our soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen need to die to placate craven chickenhawks?’

So now Obama is a chickenhawk? LOL. Love the hypocrisy on the left.

“Were you in the military, WOW?”

Nope, and I’m not the one writing about what the US Military should or should not be doing. I support the troops whether at war or during peace time. Then again, Obama said that Afghanistan was the right war and Iraq was the wrong war.

I’d trust people like General Petreus over a community agitator any day of the week.

dawg

March 31st, 2011
9:21 am

BOOKMAN–As our president has NO military expertise I would suggest the next time we have a problem we send over WH personnel to direct the efforts and that would ensure defeat in a matter of days.

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:21 am

Rational@9:16
Yeah, let’s see.

Paul

March 31st, 2011
9:21 am

WOW, you preparing, what, about a page-long post?

:-)

willie lynch

March 31st, 2011
9:22 am

The complexities of withdrawl are something I and probalby we don’t understand. Of course it’s what needs to be done, but I don’t know the intricacies of such a plan. What I will say is President Obama said he would pull the troops out in a slow planned withdrawl as he’s doing in Iraq and he seems to be keeping his word. As a manager he has to consider the words of those who are minding the shop so I’m giving him a chance to get this done.

WOW

March 31st, 2011
9:23 am

“There is only so much BS I can tolerate this early in the morning…”

Dec. 5, 2008

President-elect Barack Obama says that Afghanistan is “the right war.” “It’s
time to heed the call from General [David] McKiernan and others for more
troops,”

“whether or not someones was in the military is no more relevant than whether or not the President of Ford ever worked an assembly line or owned a dealership. President has legal authority from Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution. Blind acceptance of military recommendations would have led Pres Truman to defer to General MacArthur and would have led to war with China.”

Then again, Obama has zero experience in anything other than agitating poor black people on the south side of Chicago.

Oh, and we will be at war with China in the near future.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 31st, 2011
9:24 am

WW2 was a political objective?

The obvious density of one who seemingly has poop for brains that fails to recognize the WW2 had politicial objectives permeates the room with a stench. The Germans, Japanese and Italians sought to conquer and control the world (or good parts of it). Just one of the many political objectives.

STW

March 31st, 2011
9:24 am

Aren’t we fortunate to have a President who has no expertise to drawn upon and still wants to make the important decisions? The man couldn’t operate the turnestiles at a train station ..Wish he would take his bride on another extended vacation..

Midori

March 31st, 2011
9:26 am

you know what’s so obvious about you WOW?

you are completely ignorant, as shown by your countless and worthless posts, yet you are so very proud of said ignorance.

Doggone/GA

March 31st, 2011
9:26 am

“Aren’t we fortunate to have a President who has no expertise to drawn upon and still wants to make the important decisions?”

Yes.

And how much experience as President of the United State and Commander in Chief do YOU have?

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:26 am

There is nothing for us in Afghanistan so why are we there? Bring the troops home. Their leadership is rotten and it will never change. It’s not worth one of our kids lives.

Deep Throat

March 31st, 2011
9:27 am

Such a smooth transition from US to NATO control. check the News reports, Libyan forces shelling the Rebels and civilians , a massacre is now taking place.

willie lynch

March 31st, 2011
9:27 am

Chris

March 31st, 2011
9:19 am
Draw Downs are nothing but political fodder for these bozo politicians to apease the masses.
————————————–

I believe the masses have had enough of this warmongering. Appeasement in this case is the smarter of the moves.

Midori

March 31st, 2011
9:28 am

STW – is that because you run the mop and broom at the station?

that where your expertise comes from?

Rational

March 31st, 2011
9:28 am

poison – that’s not true, there are plenty of drugs in Afghanistan. Just sayin.

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
9:28 am

Anyone that claims to support our troops must also support their leader and that would be Obama. So, do Republicans support leaving Afghanistan or staying.

WOW

March 31st, 2011
9:28 am

“The obvious density of one who seemingly has poop for brains that fails to recognize the WW2 had politicial objectives permeates the room with a stench.”

tick….tick…..tick……

“you are completely ignorant, as shown by your countless and worthless posts, yet you are so very proud of said ignorance.’

Hey it’s One Eyed Willie!!!!!!!

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:28 am

“Oh, and we will be at war with China in the near future.”
Or something very close. At that point we’ll see how the opinion polls look. And we’ll get to see how much steel the American people still have.

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:32 am

Taxpayer, I’m a moderate Republican and I say bring them home, your post is crap.

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:33 am

“Appeasement in this case is the smarter of the moves”
Amazing!

Deep Throat

March 31st, 2011
9:33 am

Taxpayer Anyone that claims to support our troops must also support their leader and that would be Obama. So, do Republicans support leaving Afghanistan or staying.

Like you supported President Bush.

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:34 am

Deep Throat, Amen!

ty webb

March 31st, 2011
9:35 am

“Anyone that claims to support our troops must also support their leader and that would be Obama…”

Wait…have we entered some sort of bizarro world? Is up, now down? is black, now white? Can “AWOL alabama air national guard jokes”, now be replaced by “community organizer” jokes? Amvet, please show some consistency, and take on that comment from your comrade…I beg you.

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:36 am

Taxpayer, isn’t it funny how things come back and bite you in the ass. LMAO

md

March 31st, 2011
9:36 am

I say bring the boys home (especially since NATO is a failure) and use the same tactics we are using in Libya………well placed tomahawks and the cia…………

@@

March 31st, 2011
9:36 am

I was never in favor of the surge into Afghanistan. As far as I’m concerned, our mission was accomplished when OBL hightailed it to no-man’s land. The atrocities committed by Al Qaeda in Iraq have turned the Arab world against them.

After watching Greta talking to Afghan women last night, my emotions started to kick in. Laura Bush is a woman I greatly respect…her efforts on behalf of Afghan women and children are to be admired. When people say let the Afghans handle it, it’s important to note that women and children can accomplish nothing on their own there. Having said all that and having read where a senior American official told the Washington Post….”Gender issues are going to have to take a back seat to other priorities.… There’s no way we can be successful if we maintain every special interest and pet project. All those pet rocks in our rucksack were taking us down.” I can only ask forgiveness when I say, let’s find a different way in Afghanistan.

It breaks my heart to think….

And by the by, that official’s comment….”There’s no way we can be successful if we maintain every special interest and pet project. All those pet rocks in our rucksack were taking us down.”

can also be applied to what’s going on here in the U.S..

Midori

March 31st, 2011
9:36 am

I was very disturbed when I found out about this widespread practice in Afghanistan:

Uncovering the world of “bacha bazi”Journalist Najibullah Quraishi starts investigating what’s happening to Afghan boys, bought and trained to entertain at all-men parties.

Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/view/#ixzz1IBT6yPb6

see also: Afghanistan’s dirty little secret

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-08-29/opinion/22949948_1_karzai-family-afghan-men-president-hamid-karzai

we are there to protect THAT way of life??????

Del

March 31st, 2011
9:36 am

Interesting rift between the military and the White House over Afghanistan. We now learn that Obama authorized CIA covert operations in Libya, which is necessary to determine who these Libyan rebels are and who else may be involved. The CIA operatives determine that they pass muster and then Special Forces go in to train and advise the indigenous rebel fighters. Next SOCOM assets go in to recon Qaddafi forces and direct air to ground support. Next it’s determined that some NATO security force is required and guess who get the call. Meanwhile back in D.C. the politicians are fighting back and forth as to what should be done, indecision takes over and our military gets the short end once again. Yes, lets get out of there.

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
9:36 am

Deep Throat,

Is that a “bring ‘em home” or not. At least poison pen was able to interject an answer in with his rhetoric.

willie lynch

March 31st, 2011
9:37 am

Wow, wow,why will we be at war with China in the near future?

AmVet

March 31st, 2011
9:37 am

Midori, any clown can drive by on his unicycle and write stuff like that.

But we both know there will be NO intelligent specifics provided.

Just animus and invective.

Poor cons, suffering horribly from BHO Derangement Syndrome, and they’re not even half way home to a possbile re-election yet…

Like you supported President Bush.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!

Well played…

Normal

March 31st, 2011
9:37 am

…Besides, World War II was the last Legal War we had. President Obama and Congress: If you want to stay in Afghanistan and Lybia, then declare unrestricted war. Tell all countries that want to to side with them that if they do, we will declare unrestricted war on them too. All or nothing. If we are going to put our young people in jeopardy, then let them off the leash, get it done and come home. Just stop wasting young American lives.

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
9:38 am

poison pen,

I did get bit by a dog on my waist once but not my ass and it was not funny. I do think it funny what some people consider funny.

Deep Throat

March 31st, 2011
9:42 am

Taxpayer , go back and read my first post, you’ll see I am a patriot. T he question are you or amvet or midori.

WOW

March 31st, 2011
9:42 am

“But we both know there will be NO intelligent specifics provided.”

Like everything you type.

“Poor cons, suffering horribly from BHO Derangement Syndrome, and they’re not even half way home to a possbile re-election yet…”

Might want to use spell check when spewing hate-filled rhetoric, Vet. Also, you do plenty of “Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!” when asked very simple questions like…..

What university did you attend and graduate from?

It’s been three weeks and you have yet to answer that one simple question.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!

“Wow, wow,why will we be at war with China in the near future?”

China will call in our debt. When we can’t pay it back they will attack.

Joel Edge

March 31st, 2011
9:42 am

“we are there to protect THAT way of life??????”
There are certain aspects of the place that allow a different standard. Some that I realized about 8 hours after arriving. When you see your two bus drivers holding hands, you kind of look for an explanation. It is a different culture.

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:43 am

I still would like to know who is going to run Lybia if daffy duck is tossed out, ( which is doubtfull )
The pictures that I see on the news channels always show the rebels in pickup trucks with very old weapons. Which of them can even read let alone run a country. It shows them firing all kinds of bullets into the air, they aren’t even smart enough to realize that they come down on their own heads.

TaxPayer

March 31st, 2011
9:44 am

Deep Throat,

Should we bring home the troops from Afghanistan or not. I’m not inquiring about your “patriotism”. Further, like I said earlier, bring ‘em home.

jconservative

March 31st, 2011
9:44 am

So we are having about 500 American soldiers killed annually and spending over $2 Billion a week to try and create a new nation for a bunch of Muslims in Afghanistan.

Have I stated the mission correctly?

We spend over 4000 American soldiers lives and a Trillion Dollars to try and create a new nation for the Muslims in Iraq. Right?

And now many propose spending more American lives and Billions of dollars to save a bunch of Muslims in Libya. Have I got this right?

I guess I should be thrilled that so many Americans love their Muslim brothers and sisters.

But I am not.

Obviously I came into this world defective and have not improved over the years.

Later.

AmVet

March 31st, 2011
9:44 am

Throat: I am a patriot faketriot.

And by definition, the never served, never will variety.

Standard operating procedure for the boys in the 101st Chairborne.

Later, ladies, germs and trolls…

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:45 am

Taxpayer, at least you seem to have a sense of humor, very good.

cop out

March 31st, 2011
9:46 am

“Trust me, I’ve thought about enlisting many times. There is nothing more honorable than to serve one’s country.”

WOW translator – instead of risking my life for my so-called ideals, I felt it would be much safer to stay home to blog all day and criticize without offering any solutions. In other words, be Sarah Palin.

carlosgvv

March 31st, 2011
9:46 am

Why has no one here posted anything about the huge influence of the Military Industrial Complex in all these useless wars? Or did I just miss it?

George W

March 31st, 2011
9:47 am

Jay…..looks like our military leaders disagree with Obama as much as the general public does. Great job Obama keep up the good work!

Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President

March 31st, 2011
9:47 am

I guess this “war of necessity” in Afganistan isn’t so necessary anymore to Barry…

jt

March 31st, 2011
9:48 am

In the spirit of fairness……………….Obama has had one acheivement.

He brought out the war-mongering spirit among the progressive left…………
History shows that this spirit was always there. It was just directed toward smokers and SUV drivers while Bush was in office.
Fortunently for us smokers, Obama has now directed it toward one tribe of brown Libyans.

red ryder

March 31st, 2011
9:49 am

time to bring them ALL home. the afghanistans will continue to fight each other for the next thousand years and we don’t need to be in the middle.

poison pen

March 31st, 2011
9:50 am

Carlosgvv, The Military Industrial Complex is hugh as you stated, but they didn’t start the Wars. They are supplying goods, just as any other business, if there isn’t a demand they are out of business. I know this is a simple answer, but I wanted to keep it that way.

Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate...er, I mean President

March 31st, 2011
9:51 am

by the way, where is all this talk and blaming from the unbiased media of Obama about these ridiculously high gas prices. I mean, shouldn’t there be some investigation of the Vice Presidents shady past with Halliburton and all of Obama’s oil-buddy cronies littering this staff and cabinet??? I mean, Cheney still is Vice President pulling all the strings….right????

@@

March 31st, 2011
9:52 am

It is kinda interesting to see jay’s team placing limits on just how much and how far their hearts will bleed for mankind. Their tourniquet is applied at America’s borders when it’s politically convenient.

Weird!

getalife

March 31st, 2011
9:54 am

I am guessing they found there is more money to make after the collapse like the USSR and that money is organized crime. Billions.

Plus they get to attack journalists like Jay.

We will be the new USA like the new Russia where States can break away from our union.

I bet I just gave our cons wood, well after the pop a few cialis.

Back in the USSR.

You don’t know how lucky you are.

Back in the USSR.

I propose

March 31st, 2011
9:54 am

that if we are to do away with “blaming everything on Bush” that we also do away with “if Bush had done this you libs would be screaming”.

As you love to say, it’s been over 2 years now.

Doggone/GA

March 31st, 2011
9:55 am

Pet peeve alert! (you’ve been warned)

“hugh” – the word you want is HUGE. “Hugh” is a man’s name and it doesn’t mean “extremely large”