Mitch Daniels the last, best hope for GOP sanity

Joe Klein speaks for many, I suspect:

This is my 10th presidential campaign, Lord help me. I have never before seen such a bunch of vile, desperate-to-please, shameless, embarrassing losers coagulated under a single party’s banner. They are the most compelling argument I’ve seen against American exceptionalism. Even Tim Pawlenty, a decent governor, can’t let a day go by without some bilious nonsense escaping his lizard brain. And, as Greg Sargent makes clear, Mitt Romney has wandered a long way from courage. There are those who say, cynically, if this is the dim-witted freak show the Republicans want to present in 2012, so be it. I disagree. One of them could get elected. You never know. Mick Huckabee, the front-runner if you can believe it, might have to negotiate a trade agreement, or a defense treaty, with the Indonesian president some day. Newt might have to discuss very delicate matters of national security with the president of Pakistan. And so I plead, as an unflinching American patriot — please Mitch Daniels, please Jeb Bush, please run. I may not agree with you on most things, but I respect you. And you seem to respect yourselves enough not to behave like public clowns.

Personally, I’d be shocked if Jeb Bush runs, because he’s smart enough to know that Bush fatigue is a major obstacle and because he has made no noises to date about a candidacy.

I also won’t be shocked if Mitch Daniels declines. The cast of characters that Klein describes as “a bunch of vile, desperate-to-please, shameless, embarrassing losers” hasn’t assembled itself accidentally. They have materialized because that’s what the GOP base demands at the moment. This is an electorate motivated for the most part by resentment, fear and paranoia, and it’s looking for candidates willing to tell them that their resentment, fear and paranoia are fully justified. At this point, whoever does that best will probably be the nominee.

I doubt Daniels can play that game very well. That’s not who he is, and unlike Mitt Romney, he doesn’t seem willing to pretend otherwise. In weighing whether to run, Daniels has to decide whether a very different, more sober message has a chance to be heard in this environment.

If he decides the answer is no, there’s no market for what he has to sell, it will say more about the state of the modern Republican Party than anything from Joe Klein or other pundits.

– Jay Bookman

450 comments Add your comment

jm

March 30th, 2011
8:59 am

I dunno. Tim Pawlenty seems pretty sane too. See disavowing any support for the birther movement, even on Fox TV.

Pawlenty electable? Don’t know that either. But then again Daniels may have a tough time too.

carlosgvv

March 30th, 2011
9:01 am

Jay, this is only the latest in a campaign in which the voters will likely have to choose between bad and worse. Do you still think a viable third party is completely out of the question? If so, you must think the American people are both very patient and very stupid.

Replublican't

March 30th, 2011
9:01 am

All my Republican friends are apparently in psychotic fugue states, believing that one of the current batch of GOP hopefuls will beat Obama. Their numbers just don’t add up.

jm

March 30th, 2011
9:02 am

I think there’s still a pretty good chance Daniels will run….. even if the field is a mess.

And if its Huck or Palin v. Obama, I think Bloomberg could run as an indie.

SOUTHERN ATL

March 30th, 2011
9:04 am

The Republican Party is still the party of “conquer and destroy the middle class”. President Obama will be re-elected.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2011
9:05 am

Frankly, I think the GOP could dig up Ronald Reagan for 2012 and they still couldn’t win. (Remember he wouldn’t past the ideological purity test)

Daniels would make a good candidate, so would Jeb Bush, but they are both too smart to allow themselves to become the virgin in the GOP volcano that is 2012.

Smart conservatives should be doing their own homework for 2016.

By then, the real old fashioned conservatives hopefully will have culled their herd of the birthers and tenthers and corporate Tea Partiers…..

jt

March 30th, 2011
9:05 am

The market is deciding the fate of our nation……………..as we speak.
The statist R&D party need not apply………..but they will………..impotently.

Our only hope………..Ron Paul, and his message of personal liberty.
Anyone else will be but a speed bump to insolvency,tyranny, and the slow death by statism.

See USSR.

Jimmy62

March 30th, 2011
9:09 am

Oh please, what is so different about the Democrats? A bunch of vile scum willing to do anything for a vote, including refusing to fix spending till after 2012 because winning the election is far more important to them than getting spending back to a level commensurate with inflation and population growth over the last decade.

Not to mention, as you covered yesterday, Obama is a straight out liar. At least when it comes to transparency. That’s not the only thing he lies about, just the one you bothered to cover.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2011
9:10 am

There will be no real serious contenders in 2012 from the Republican side. The Republicans will effectively concede the election to Obama, especially after the sideshow that has become the Republican party. 2016 will be the real contest.

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:14 am

Jay, sorry to change the subject but this is scary. Seriously scary.

Threats Claim Nuclear Bombs Hidden All Over U.S.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/03/29/threats-claim-nuclear-bombs-hidden-all-over-u-s/

Jimmy62

March 30th, 2011
9:16 am

I love how the left cannot understand the difference between free market capitalism and crony capitalism, so let me restate for the millionth time in terms simple enough to understand.

Free market capitalism- What the Tea Party advocates, and what we do not and never have really had in this country

Crony capitalism- When politicians get in bed with businesses. For example, the CEO of GE is good buddies with Obama. Conveniently, GE gets ridiculously good tax stuff, as detailed by the NYT a couple of days ago. Or the mess with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, where Barney Frank was literally sleeping with a high up official at one of the mortgage giants, right during the period when both Bush and McCain were trying to reign in the mortgage giants. Barney Frank stopped them, and we all see how well that worked out.

Th Tea Party does not condone crony capitalism, nor has it ever. Supporting business, and supporting politicians making special deals with businesses that lobby them are two very different things, and until you understand that, I will assume you are too stupid to figure it out.

@@

March 30th, 2011
9:17 am

desperate-to-please

This is an electorate motivated for the most part by resentment, fear and paranoia, and it’s looking for candidates willing to tell them that their resentment, fear and paranoia are fully justified. At this point, whoever does that best will probably be the nominee.

Kinda like in 2008, jay? John McCain’s “fear mongering” didn’t work, but Obama’s did.

Where is Obama now? In the Bushes.

JKL2

March 30th, 2011
9:17 am

Jay- Thanks again for your faux interest in potential GOP Presidential nominees. I am still holding my breath in anticipation of your endorsement of a candidate you will never vote for.

TaxPayer

March 30th, 2011
9:19 am

Santorum’s really coming up in the polls fast. He says he can fix social security by eliminating abortions. I wonder if that is only for legal residents and illegals that pay into social security on a fake social security number.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2011
9:20 am

Obama:Locking Down Loose Nukes

I support the Presidents efforts and pray they are successful.

Don’t we all?

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:20 am

Lets call him Jack Daniels.

cons are crazy so you have to be crazy to get their crazy votes.

It’s all about the kooks this cycle.

Obama will win with a bigger mandate than when he crushed the cons last time.

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:20 am

“I have never before seen such a bunch of vile, desperate-to-please, shameless, embarrassing losers coagulated under a single party’s banner. ‘

No one pays Joe Klein any attention because the guy is a total moron.

“Personally, I’d be shocked if Jeb Bush runs,”

Jeb would mop the floor with Obama. Jeb is a lot smarter than W and could get the Hispanic votes with his Hispanic sons help. He also had a very high approval rating in Florida.

“The cast of characters that Klein describes as “a bunch of vile, desperate-to-please, shameless, embarrassing losers””

Then again, no one buys or reads Time Magazine anymore. Borders, before they went bankrupt, used to use Time as a door stopper to keep their door opened during the summer in Buckhead.

“This is an electorate motivated for the most part by resentment, fear and paranoia”

Ah yes, demonizing the opponent. That’s the left wing mantra. When you can’t debate the facts, you demonize.

Jay refuses to debate high unemployment, Gitmo remaining open, Obamacare being turned down by courts, Democrats jumping ship and Democrats calling for his impeachment.

But please Jay, continue the left wing catch phrases that will get you noticed by MessNBC.

“I doubt Daniels can play that game very well. ‘

Daniels is a successful two term governor who took on unions and Indiana is taking business away from the dying state of Illinois.

Pat Robertson

March 30th, 2011
9:21 am

Those bombs will go off WOW. Because America has a love affair with the homosexual lifestyle. Just pray and get you some duct tape.

ty webb

March 30th, 2011
9:23 am

serious contenders? Really? And the democrats brought that to the table in 2008? Kucinich(secretay of peace?), sharpton(too many things to list here), joe biden(ditto), john edwards(two americas…yeah,in the bedroom) and Obama(really, jr. senator who hadn’t accomplished anything short of a good speech in 2004). For some reason, joe klein, and, jay for that matter, probably had a different take on that field….hmmm,I wonder why?

TaxPayer

March 30th, 2011
9:24 am

Threats Claim Nuclear Bombs Hidden All Over U.S.

Where’s the transparency! The military should have all their nukes labeled on Google Earth.

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:26 am

Failed deflection ty.

It is about you con kooks.

Try again.

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:27 am

Nukes?

See Japan.

jt

March 30th, 2011
9:27 am

The only thing credible about that WOW bomb scare ……is that …………..
Osama Bin Laden is alive and well……living in Chicago….probably drawing a government check.

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:28 am

ty webb

March 30th, 2011
9:28 am

thanks, getalife. I’ll try better next time.

misty fyed

March 30th, 2011
9:28 am

“This is an electorate motivated for the most part by resentment, fear and paranoia, and it’s looking for candidates willing to tell them that their resentment, fear and paranoia are fully justified.”

Fear of a $1.5 Trillion defecit: you bet. Fear of incompetent foreign policy. Yep. Fear of ultimate hypocracy in the White House.. You nailed it.

The question is. Why are you not afraid of these things? Why are the democrats or blue blood republicans not afraid of these things?

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:30 am

ty,

You can do better.

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
9:31 am

The insane think they are normal, and that everyone else is insane.

TaxPayer

March 30th, 2011
9:32 am

Why I Won’t Vote to Raise the Debt Limit

By MARCO RUBIO

Is he old enough to vote.

SOUTHERN ATL

March 30th, 2011
9:32 am

Off topic but….Scott Walker Seeking Federal Stimulus Funds For Rail Line Improvements, After Campaigning On Rejecting Them

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/29/scott-walker-seeking-fede_n_842267.html

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:32 am

jt.

Chicago ?.

Is that a get Obama comment?

cosby smith

March 30th, 2011
9:32 am

Ahh Jay, just the Republican party..how about including the Democrats. We have a President whose background was finding, searching for a problem, persuading citizens that problem was detrimental to them and they should form gangs to protest. Then he would approach Government to solve the problem. If this is the best this country has to offer and agreeable the above Republicans mentioned fair no better, then the USA is doomed. So why pick on one party, pick on both. While you are at it, how aboutr a disfunctional congress that has ingrained itself in self indulgence that they have no clue how to resolve any thing. In fact, they have instituted procedures and rules on conducting business that it protects their personal interest and be damned the interest of the citizens. Just ask former Senator Dodd whio walked away with at least two million dollars from his war chest..where did it come from and who did he owe favores to. Jay, cut the lopsided blog and lets get the entire story out. Time for change..yep you bet but there is no statesman among those mentioned. Perhaps Herman Cain maybe!

Left wing management

March 30th, 2011
9:33 am

I agree with jm: “I dunno. Tim Pawlenty seems pretty sane too. See disavowing any support for the birther movement, even on Fox TV. Pawlenty electable? Don’t know that either. But then again Daniels may have a tough time too.”

I also think we shouldn’t underestimate these candidates based on their obvious – and crushing – blandness. (Could Tim Pawlenty even fog a mirror?) Once the major GOP publicity (read: propaganda) organs get their sexification engines revved up, these yawner candidates will start to put on a bit more of a sheen.

Jimmy62: “Oh please, what is so different about the Democrats? A bunch of vile scum willing to do anything for a vote, including refusing to fix spending till after 2012 because winning the election is far more important to them than getting spending back to a level commensurate with inflation and population growth over the last decade. ”

Waaaaan, waaaaan, waaaan … sob, sob, sob.

Not to mention, as you covered yesterday, Obama is a straight out liar. At least when it comes to transparency. That’s not the only thing he lies about, just the one you bothered to cover

Hmm, hate to say it but ol’ Jimmy boy’s close to being right on this one.

Paul

March 30th, 2011
9:34 am

Klein’s a little extreme on this (Sen Schumer told me to use that word. Seems it has impact :-) ). I’ll grant a number of these characters are themselves over the top. But I give a bit more credit to a very few, maybe a couple, who do recognize one has to run the gauntlet of primary power brokers to have a shot at the prize. Candidate Obama did it quite well. Then again, he was blessed with a constituency who heard what they wanted to hear. Republican candidates face a constituency who know what they want to hear and are getting a bit jaded.

The point about whether or not the extremism (hey Charlie, twice in one post!) extends past the power brokers and influence groups to the general Republican population is food for thought. If true, there go the Independents and here comes another four years for Pres Obama.

@@

March 30th, 2011
9:34 am

KAMPALA, Uganda — Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is welcome to live in the East African nation of Uganda, the president’s spokesman told The Associated Press on Wednesday, in what appears to be the first country to offer him refuge.

Okay! It’ll be easier to pick him up on the way to the international tribunal.

One complicating factor to Gadhafi’s living in Uganda may be the International Criminal Court, whose chief prosecutor has said he will decide by May whether to seek an indictment against Gadhafi. Uganda is a signatory to the statute that created the court.

HELL NO! HE WON’T GO!!!!

kayaker 71

March 30th, 2011
9:34 am

Libs are in denial. Do you think that 52% of the popular vote is a mandate. Reagan had a mandate when he carried 49 our of 50 states. Remember the lib comments on this blog after 2008 about the GOP fitting into a phone booth at their convention? Still in denial. Then the 2010 takeback of the House that could never happen. “There is always some voter discontent in mid-term elections”. Still in denial. Always in denial. Bookman, you didn’t mention Chris Christie as a possible candidate. If he runs, libs, chalk it up. Bozo wouldn’t stand a chance. Bozo is already back on the campaign trail…. that is if he ever left it. We need a leader. We need a leader really bad.

willie lynch

March 30th, 2011
9:35 am

It is sad that the repugnican base is in control of what once was a respectable party (many, many years ago).

There is a story in the bible of the people being given a choice between saving Jesus or the thief Barrabas, in this case the poor repugs have no such choice, they’re all charlatan’s

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:35 am

“The insane think they are normal, and that everyone else is insane.”

That is a great description of our cons rag.

Thanks for telling the truth.

Folks are sick of con lies.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
9:35 am

Jeb will not run and thank god for that. He is a cpac ideologue and was culpable in scrubbing over 60k legitimate voters from the rolls in 2000. Yes, he is perceived to be smarter than his brother but then, that’s not really saying much. No more bush, please…

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:38 am

List of candidates who, in my opinion could beat Obama.

Sarah Palin

Jeb Bush

Marco Rubio

Haley Barbour

John Hoven

Rick Perry

Bobby Jindal

Mitch Daniels

Chris Cristie

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:38 am

“Bozo wouldn’t stand a chance.”

kay is in denial.

The President will win easier than last time with a bigger mandate.

Four more years.

Wrap your crazy mind around that kay.

Joe the Plumber Too

March 30th, 2011
9:38 am

re: 9:04, President Obama will be re-elected.

FUNNY, that clown will be packing his bags and going home to hang out with his crook mayor, copkilling terrorist buddies and racist preacher come Jan. 20, 2013. Only question now is how much more damage can the bedwetting messiah do before that.

@@

March 30th, 2011
9:39 am

Newt might have to discuss very delicate matters of national security with the president of Pakistan.

I could see ^^^ that happening although John Bolton would be better at it. Ain’t nuthin’ delicate about John Bolton.

AmVet

March 30th, 2011
9:39 am

I really am beginning to think that what I once considered a well-nigh impossibility will come to pass.

And that this GOP slate will be even more absurd and laughable than that farce in 2008.

All that’s needed is for Herman Cain (the new Alan Keyes?) and HeadRush to be up on the stage of candidates to have a full blown circus. Or is freak show?

The Tweedledees and Tweedledums have reversed roles. Incredible.

Such political dexterity.

And the utterly failed, self-serving duopoly rolls merrily along…

Zedd

March 30th, 2011
9:40 am

Spin, slander, and demonize them any way you can Jay. There is still no way in hell Obama will ever get my vote! Anybody vs him is still the lesser of two evils.

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:41 am

Any gop candidates announce yet?

They know they will lose, so they do not want to get out and talk to you crazy cons.

Who can blame them for that?

jm

March 30th, 2011
9:41 am

Look, even with the bobbing and weaving that goes on through the primary process, there are at least 3 good Republican candidates (Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels). Whether they will run and win the primary, who knows. While there are the crackpots, the Republican field is not devoid of good options.

The Democrat field, however, is.

:) ok ok I know low blow. just couldn’t resist.

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2011
9:41 am

There’s this gentleman too….

Retired California political consultant Fred Karger will be in DC today to file his paperwork with the Federal Election Commission officially declaring his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination. It will make him the first openly gay Republican ever to run for president as well as the first GOP candidate to declare officially that he is running for the 2012 race. Karger has already made many swings through Iowa and New Hampshire, laying the groundwork for his campaign in those key primary states. He’s run TV ads and met with dozens of young Republican activists to rally the troops. Today’s FEC filing simply makes his candidacy official. It also, no doubt, will make it harder for Republicans to keep him out of candidate forums and debates during the campaign, which some have been trying to do

While Karger met this week with officials at the RNC, including chairman Reince Priebus, in what he called a warm meeting, other members of the GOP establishment have been so welcoming of his historic candidacy. As we reported earlier this month, RNC members in Iowa and a key organizer with Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition have not only threatened to keep Karger out of the race but intentionally shut him out of a March 7 presidential forum in Des Moines organized by Reed’s group. Karger responded by filing a complaint against RNC member and Iowa Faith and Freedom organizer Steve Scheffler as well as his organization for violating federal election laws by discriminating against Karger because he’s gay. Karger’s official candidate status now will only help his complaint.

From The Atlantic

It’s wonderful to see some of the GOP embrace diversity.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
9:42 am

Marco rubio is a lighweight tool, sorry but he’s not remotely close to being presidential timber…

TaxPayer

March 30th, 2011
9:42 am

This is your life, Republicans. Pick.

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
9:43 am

Good morning Getalife @ various times. How long have you believed the “cons” thought their opponents were insane? Re your 9:38, you truly believe Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and Indiana stay in the blue column? (Not to mention Ohio and Pennsylvania?)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 30th, 2011
9:43 am

Palin beating Obama…….. I had to check my meds to be sure I was not doubling up….how funny.

Palin won’t run, she’s milking her 15 minutes for everything its worth

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:44 am

“Jeb will not run and thank god for that. ”

Then again, you don’t know that. What’s really funny about the lefts “predictions” is that they rarely ever come true. In 2004, Jay and Cynthia both predicted a Kerry win because the public “hated” Bush. Didn’t happen.

We have plenty of time before the nomination and all the left can do is to bite their fingernails over it. Obama has absolutely nothing to run on.

I’ve asked this repeatedly and Jay and other libs refuse to answer it.

WHAT WILL OBAMA RUN ON IN 2012?

It’s a fairly simple question.

“And that this GOP slate will be even more absurd and laughable than that farce in 2008.”

Vet’s just angry that his commie buddy Nadar is a loser and could never win one single state. I wonder if he could even win one county in California? LOL

“The President will win easier than last time with a bigger mandate.”

On what platform, getalife? You always speak/write in contractions which makes me think you’re not capable of an intelligent conversation. You spend most of your time name calling as well.

Donovan

March 30th, 2011
9:45 am

Let’s use the litmus test or gold standard for smelling out fear in a liberal when I say that when liberals feel threatened they character assassinate and demean their opponents. Obvious examples are Cynthia Tucker, Jay Bookman, and Mike Luckovich. Just take a look at Luckovich’s insulting cartoon this morning. By the way, did anyone hear about Chuck Schumer’s latest smear? Liberals are a nasty bunch.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
9:45 am

ragnar

Florida will most likely stay blue, you can thank governor rick “the disaster” scott for that.

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:45 am

“I had to check my meds”

Keep, we all know you’re on meds just like many on the left. Just make sure you don’t mix up your Xanax with your Valtrex.

Normal

March 30th, 2011
9:46 am

Y’all gotta go to MSNBC and click on the Maddow site (upper right on the page)…Listen/watch the first two excerpts from her last nights show.

She discusses intrusive conservatism versus limited government Libertarianism. Open your mind and follow her arguments and points. I think it will open some of y’all’s eyes…

All you have to do is listen…

Granny Godzilla

March 30th, 2011
9:46 am

ALso, I don’t think Michelle Bachmann is running for President -
I think she’s running for Vice President.

It has proven very lucrative for the previous GOP VP candidate.

getalife

March 30th, 2011
9:47 am

Thanks Granny.

That is interesting.

jm.

Obama/Biden is the dem ticket.

There ya go.

Glad I could help.

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:47 am

“Marco rubio is a lighweight tool, sorry but he’s not remotely close to being presidential timber…”

A lightweight doesn’t garner over 2 million votes in Florida, Mick. He destroyed Crist and whoever that black panther supporter your party put up for the dem nom.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
9:47 am

wow

A third bush presidency? Is that the best america can do and pin its hope on one questionable family? I think not and jeb, to his credit, doesn’t want any part of 2012.

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
9:48 am

Dear Mick @ 9:46, why do you assume Rubio – the most popular politician in Florida – will not be on the GOP ticket?

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:48 am

“Y’all gotta go to MSNBC and click on the Maddow site (upper right on the page)…Listen/watch the first two excerpts from her last nights show.”

LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! I love left wing hypocrisy. Telling others to go to a failing MessNBC show hosts site to watch a biased video.

Did he/she ever figure out what gender he/she is?

carlosgvv

March 30th, 2011
9:52 am

WOW

The problem with your list is that most of them, like Obama, are losers and would likely be no better than him. I think Jeb is the best Bush but that name would keep him from running. What do you think?

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
9:52 am

So long as we are discussing the presidential electoral landscape, we ought to note that Michigan, Wisconsin, and Nevada all elected conservative governors – if those basket-case economies ever start to turn, I suspect the electorate may tie that to local conservative policies rather than a delayed result from the “stimulus.”

kayaker 71

March 30th, 2011
9:53 am

Why is it that liberals have so much trouble making decisions? This Clintonian, finger in the wind decision making process has certainly rubbed off on Bozo. But wait, if I waffle and stay in the middle, then however it turns out, I can spin it to my advantage. Real leaders make decisions. You might not like ‘em but you have no trouble figuring them out. Harry Truman made decisions. Ronald Reagan made decisions. So did FDR and both Bushes. Bozo? We’re still waiting.

@@

March 30th, 2011
9:53 am

Mrs. Godzilla:

It’s wonderful to see some of the GOP embrace diversity.

It is wonderful, isn’t it?

Notably, pluralities of white mainline Protestants and white Catholics now favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally — the first time this has occurred in Pew Research Center surveys. Political independents are divided in their views of same-sex-marriage; in 2009, they opposed it by a wide margin.

The problem is with minorities and ^^^ independents. Whodathunkit?

In 2010, just 30% of non-Hispanic blacks favor gay marriage while 59% are opposed. In 2010 41% of Hispanics favor while 47% oppose.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
9:53 am

wow

You are correct, rubio won big time. Timing is everything and rubio rode the anti wave. The dem and charlie crist cancelled each other out which gave us rubio, a very piss poor former florida legislator that lost tens of millions of dollars from miami to jacksonville. He was rolled….

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
9:53 am

I think I broadly disagree with Mr. Klein – I think the Republicans could nominate a cabbage and it would be elected president, if it could produce a long form birth certificate.

Rational

March 30th, 2011
9:54 am

I’m just a bit curious about why people wanting to see the birth certificate of the President of the United States (who by law has to have been born an American Citizen) are crazy. I fully believe that he has it, I’m not trying to get a debate started about whether or not he is a citizen, I’m just wondering why the people that question it should be demonized and discredited rather than answered. Why does the left consistently come up with derogatory nicknames to use to try and discredit anyone who brings up a different argument or idea than they do?

As to the group of apparent candidates for the Republican Party, I’m only excited about one of them – Herman Cain. None of the ones mentioned in the post make me think they are anything besides political hacks that will say whatever they have to say to get elected. I respected Bush because he at least said what he meant and did what he said he was going to do. Honestly, you could make the argument that Obama has done exactly what he said he was going to do, just nobody was listening or believed him when he said it. He said he was going to be ready to “rule” from day one; I thought the President was supposed to lead. He said he was going to “fundamentally change America;” I don’t think anyone would argue that he hasn’t. So in a sense, he has done what he said he was going to do, but I don’t think the things he has done were for the betterment of the country.

I’m looking forward to the next president, hoping that he or she is someone who can put the country back on the right track. And I’m not talking about right track as in a conservative idealology. I’m thinking more the right fiscal track, where I don’t go to my office every day and have nothing to do, because there is no work coming in. Where I’m not scared to have kids, because I don’t think it is fair to bring them into the world knowing that their kids are going to be paying for the debt that my parent’s generation and my generation is accruing in the US today. And that is assuming the debt stops growing so that someone is eventually able to pay for it. The debate about Republicans did this and Democrats did that, and my candidate is good (where you blindly follow him/her without knowing what they stand for) but the other candidate is too extreme is getting old and more than a little juvenile. Lets just get someone in there that is willing to tell the people exactly what they need to hear, not what they want to hear, and that isn’t worried about doing what they need to do to get elected four years later, but doing what needs to be done for the country whether or not they are able to get re-elected. This country needs that, and I’ve only heard two people come out that are actually saying, convincingly that they think that way. Herman Cain, and Chris Christie. Christie says he isn’t ready yet, so that leaves Cain.

I realize this post will be ripped apart by people that are arguing from a strictly emotional stand point, and don’t want to admit the facts, but it is what I feel, and I can’t care what others think.

Dave R.

March 30th, 2011
9:56 am

Quoting Joe Klein in March of 2011 on a field of Republican candidates is like quoting Jay Bookman on same.

1. Too early.
2. Biased judgment.
3. No substantial information under which to make a decision.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
9:58 am

ragnar

I challenge you to list one accomplishment of marco rubio besides getting elected? There’s nothing there and your putting him on the ticket? Good grief…

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:59 am

“The problem with your list is that most of them, like Obama, are losers and would likely be no better than him. I think Jeb is the best Bush but that name would keep him from running. What do you think?”

They’re not losers, Carlos. Most of them are running states successfully. Jeb would wipe the floor with Obama.

“You are correct, rubio won big time. Timing is everything and rubio rode the anti wave. The dem and charlie crist cancelled each other out which gave us rubio, a very piss poor former florida legislator that lost tens of millions of dollars from miami to jacksonville. He was rolled…”

Rubio is a solid conservative whose family escaped communism. He could EASILY win the Hispanic vote along with whites. He’s smart and totally destroyed Crist who used to be a popular governor.

Florida has been a red state for a very long time and will remain so.

Word of advice to my conservative brethren: Never ever listen to a left winger when it comes to nominating the GOP candidate. The only reason Jay mocks Palin etc is because he knows she packs the house and people flock to her.

Not one single politician in America can do what Palin does. Obama can’t even pack a house anymore and now he has to pay actors to show up and pretend to be voters.

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
10:00 am

Dear Rational @ 9:54, well-argued, even if as verbose as a speech by Chauncey – I am also a Cain man.

Del

March 30th, 2011
10:00 am

Here in the midst of a presidency rife with incompetence and a president with such dismal voter approval, Jay attempts to divert attention by casting aspersions on potential Republican candidates through the eyes of none other than Joe Klein. I guess you have to give Jay credit for having brass ones for writing this commentary but than again it’s only for the consumption of his bloggers who for the most part are lefties. Just goes to show the resentment, fear and paranoia that exists on the far-left.

kayaker 71

March 30th, 2011
10:00 am

Rational 9:54,

Nice post.

ty webb

March 30th, 2011
10:01 am

Mick,
(re: your 9:58) did you miss the election of barack obama?

@@

March 30th, 2011
10:01 am

1. Too early.
2. Biased judgment.
3. No substantial information under which to make a decision.

AMEN!

jayjoe is/are in the business of promoting fear. They like to get in there early.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Mick

March 30th, 2011
10:01 am

**He could EASILY win the Hispanic vote along with whites**

First he needs to get a personality, then maybe some credentials beyond solid conservatism…

ragnar danneskjold

March 30th, 2011
10:03 am

Dear Mick @ 9:58, its a “vision” thing – online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704425804576220670543010068.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

But then, leftists just don’t grasp economics, do they?

Mick

March 30th, 2011
10:04 am

Yes ty, he bested hillary didn’t he?

Mick

March 30th, 2011
10:04 am

ragnar

OK, go ahead and pin your hopes on marco…..good luck

@@

March 30th, 2011
10:05 am

Mick:

I guess “presents” and personality is what prompted you to vote for Obama?

Joe the Plumber Too

March 30th, 2011
10:05 am

mick, be careful of what could be taken for racist talk about Mr. Rubio, the fine Cuban-American he is. Can you say Hispanic vote getter. A bedwetters worst nightmare. Good looking, well spoken, educated, Floridian all rolled into one hispanic package.

WOW

March 30th, 2011
10:06 am

“I challenge you to list one accomplishment of marco rubio besides getting elected? ”

1: He married an NFL cheerleader! A + in my book.
2: His family hates communism and escaped it.
3: He earned his B.A. degree in political science from the University of Florida in 1993, and his J.D. degree cum laude from the University of Miami in 1996.
4: He is the author of the book 100 Innovative Ideas for Florida’s Future.
5: During 2007, Marco Rubio championed a major overhaul of the Florida tax system. He argued it would reduce property taxes and decrease the size of government.

List of Obama’s accomplishments:

1: Harvard by affirmative action
2: Couldn’t get a real job as a lawyer so he went to the south side to help get poor black people pissed off.
3: Lived off of his wife’s U of Chicago salary for years.
4: Voted present more times than he voted yes or no on any bill.
5: Helped usher in 10% unemployment.
6: Kept Gitmo opened.
7: Continues both Bush wars along with a new one in Libya.
8: Continued the Patriot Act.
9: Extended the Bush tax cuts.
10: Threw the worst pitch in an opening game out of any US President or citizen. Ever.
11: Makes mom jeans look bad.

AmVet

March 30th, 2011
10:06 am

To say that this neo-con movement is in disarray is to say the German army was in full scale retreat in early 1945.

Their smartest move at this point is to destroy everything they can, before they capitulate.

Rag, speaking of the neo-con circus, did you read where Donald Hairpiece humiliated himself by providing an unsatisfactory birth certificate. What a tool, huh?

(It turns out that a woolly mammoth and a yak were not involved.)

He’s gonna make a great con candidate, though!

Along with his fellow “conservative” (hahahahahaha) candidates, he’s gonna be endless fodder for stand up comics…

Joe the Plumber Too

March 30th, 2011
10:07 am

Marco Rubio will make a fine choice for running mate.

Left wing management

March 30th, 2011
10:09 am

Paul: who do recognize one has to run the gauntlet of primary power brokers to have a shot at the prize. Candidate Obama did it quite well. Then again, he was blessed with a constituency who heard what they wanted to hear

Yeah he sure did, didn’t he. He played all the right notes like a fiddle, and now that he’s on the inside, when he’s called on the gap between his campaign rhetoric and his actions since elected he acts like somebody caught red-handed, claiming: “hey, what did you expect? I HAD to say those things to get elected, you didn’t really BELIEVE all that stuff did you?”

Joe the Plumber Too

March 30th, 2011
10:09 am

Wow: #11 “makes mom jeans look bad”. Now that is funny stuff.

@@

March 30th, 2011
10:09 am

Rag, speaking of the neo-con circus, did you read where Donald Hairpiece humiliated himself by providing an unsatisfactory birth certificate. What a tool, huh?

AmVet, you’re becoming more transparent with each passing day.

getalife

March 30th, 2011
10:09 am

cons pretending not be crazy is fun to read.

After the gop worst house ever and gop govs using tyranny to steal jobs and wages, many gop will sit this one out.

Some are regretting their votes and those are not the crazy cons that will vote gop even if the gop stole their income and everything they had to give it to corporate.

Blind partisan cons here would do that.

stands for decibels

March 30th, 2011
10:11 am

Oh please, what is so different about the Democrats?

They stink less mightily. I could give specific examples of stinkage abatement, but I don’t really need to, do I?

Been that way, generally, for as long as I’ve been voting. That’s generally the “appeal”, such as it is, to the thinking voter who gets to say “oh yay! I get to vote for the side that doesn’t stink so bad! again!”, but of course YMMV.

Jonas

March 30th, 2011
10:11 am

to my leftist friends- the tide is swiftly moving out and there is not much more than a european speedo on your emperors.

Best of luck but I would suggest lay the points and enjoy the last martini or two. It was fun while it lasted.

Mick

March 30th, 2011
10:12 am

Hey marco lovers – go for it…..he was a state legislator in my district, the house speaker as a matter of fact, one of the youngest ever and he got rolled by his own brethern good ole boys in the senate. He is your fantasy man that escaped communism, big whoop all these cubans and that story line, why didn’t they stay and fight? Why do we have this failed embargo for over 50 years? Why are cuban exiles so pampered? People down here know the truth but believe what you think you know…

stands for decibels

March 30th, 2011
10:13 am

Libs are in denial. Do you think that 52% of the popular vote is a mandate.

Obama had 52.9% of the popular vote. Funny that you round that down.

Anyway, Reagan only snagged 50.7% his first time at bat, that 49/50 electoral sweep (with 58.8% of the popular vote, for the record) was the second time around.

With some of the colorful characters being touted as potential opponents to Obama, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see that kind of incumbent landslide repeating itself.

Del

March 30th, 2011
10:14 am

WOW@10:06…good one!

Normal

March 30th, 2011
10:14 am

WOW

March 30th, 2011
9:48 am

WOW,
I figured I’d get that answer from you because your mind is closed and you don’t want to discuss…you just want to emote.

ty webb

March 30th, 2011
10:16 am

“…thinking voter…”

sfd,
sadly that species seems to be teetering awfully close to the endangered list. And I mean that in a strictly unpartisan sense.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

March 30th, 2011
10:17 am

………… and Joe Klein’s response is someone like Obama?

And he call’s himself a patriot?

Sorry. He’s screw loose patriot at best !

AmVet

March 30th, 2011
10:17 am

The cast of characters that Klein describes as “a bunch of vile, desperate-to-please, shameless, embarrassing losers” hasn’t assembled itself accidentally. They have materialized because that’s what the GOP base demands at the moment. This is an electorate motivated for the most part by resentment, fear and paranoia, and it’s looking for candidates willing to tell them that their resentment, fear and paranoia are fully justified. At this point, whoever does that best will probably be the nominee.

Word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGekq3Jt5Go

(And brother Bosch, these are the scary ones!)