Federal inaction on immigration lets issue fester

I say make ‘em legal and let them all become good Democrats…

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“No other country in the world allows this many illegals to enter and stay.”

Quite right…because most other countries that are dependent on some level of immigrant labor deal with it by having things like “guest worker” programs so they can enter and leave the country LEGALLY and still be able to work.

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We are supposed to be “The Great Molting Pot”. Whatever happened to that?

Or…Make them legal and have to pay income tax…after a few years of that, they’ll want to go back on their own.

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Georgia legislators sponsoring anti-immigrant bills say they have been forced to act by frustration with the federal government, which they believe has been unwilling to address illegal immigration issues.

I see veins popper out of Eric Holder’s forehead…

Maybe he should just file a preemptive lawsuit against every state?

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Well, we got maybe 50 million rednecks in this country and every one of them owns a pickup truck. We only need about 3 million of them and some gas money to haul the illegals to the border and dump them over. We could keep maybe half a million rednecks on standby at jails to take care of the few that get brung in after the Great Haul. Problem solved.

NEXT PROBLEM!

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Jay, you are on this one..there has been no action by the Feds for years. Regan provided the first amnisty and we are right back there. Obama has even taken inaction to a new level…suing Arizona who is attempting to do Obama’s job by protecting the boarders of the USA. Illegals are costing billions to the taxpayers and those jerks in DC take no action. But then, if you are Obama and the Dems you are looking for votes.

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“I say make ‘em legal and let them all become good Democrats… ”

I hope you’re joking…what’s pathetic is some people actually think that’s a good option.

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zenophobe and bigot in the same post…i’m impressed, Bosch.

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(sorry off topic) Councilman CT Martin stinks.

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Jay, there is a thing in this country known as law enforcement. If they were given the mandate, I believe they could find and deport most of the illegals here. Naturally, I hope you don’t think our law enforcement agencies are too incompentent to do this. As for cost, make the countries they originally came from pay by witholding their foreign aid if they don’t.

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“how do you propose we find and remove them?”

body implanted computer chips.

kidding.

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“what’s pathetic is some people actually think that’s a good option.”

Like who Peadawg, or is that just conjecture on your part?

jm,

Jay did a thread on that once as a joke.

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“I believe they could find and deport most of the illegals here”

carlos,

And are you willing to pay for that?

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“Ramsey, Murphy and other conservative legislators prefer that they go back where they came from, and are trying to pass laws so punitive that they will leave on their own.”

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The expected thinking of those who have lived their lives in a state which, for generations, supported slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation.

Perhaps one day, in the near future, the drive for humanity will weigh more heavily in the conscience of those in power than the drive for political acceptance.

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Bosch 9:07 – yeah I know. The legislature…..

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I think we should also deport anyone who’s forefathers were immigrants.

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Key point: “most illegal immigrants are going to conclude that things are better for them and their children here than they would be back home.”

The legislators are making a mistake – doing what they think would work if they were immigrants. Shows their lack of understanding of who, and what, they’re dealing with.

It’s like winning at litigation. First you write the opening and closing statements and lay out the strategy you think your opponent will use. Then you craft your own strategy to address those points. These legislators aren’t close to comprehending the immigrant experience.

“President Ronald Reagan supported legalization, explaining in a 1984 presidential debate”

So the Republican Conservative True Faithfuls are what, 37 years behind the times of what their iconic leader believed? No surprises there. It’s always easier to believe in the legend rather than the reality.

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You do have to give the BushCorp GOP credit for dramatically reducing the number of jobs available in this country for illegals.

AND citizens.

Neo-cons lied, the economy died.

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It’s kind of like the deer over population here in Georgia. We need to have a no limit tag and bag day. The one good part of the proposed legislature is that every day citizens like you and me could sue local governments for failing to enforce the law.

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Okay,so they’re 27 years behind Reagan. It’s early. It still makes it decades. So it’s still a true statement.

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I wonder how Zedd will take advantage of legislation to sue for failure to enforce some law.

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More off-topic. (I pretty much saw this headline and put it in 4 wheel drive).

Saw The Social Network this weekend. How ironic that a social incompetent builds the world’s biggest social interaction tool since the advent of email. Interesting movie…..

Also interesting: rented the movie from Blockbuster Express. They should’ve done this ages ago…. automation is wonderful.

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“could sue local governments for failing to enforce the law.”

Local governments have no responsiblity for enforcing federal immigraion laws

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“The “anti-immigration” crowd seems to have no problem profiting from them, but they don’t want them here (?)”

Zactly.

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Well, you can break your local government by suing over immigration, or you can break your local government by making them attempt to round up and deport every illegal immigrant. Either way, I hope you enjoy life without police, firefighters, water, and sewer. But by god, you’ll be rid of them ill-eegals!

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WAR COST: $600 MILLION, IN 6 DAYS…

(Coulda built a pretty swift set of train tracks from Atlanta to Charlotte)

Or made 600 people very rich in the US. Or helped out a million people with some serious food subsidies. Or coulda helped all of us have lower taxes.

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Amvet the name caller

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Maybe Democrats could break the impasse (or, more properly, the willing inaction) by pointing out to Republicans that if their anti-immigrant strategy’s enacted, that costs to businesses for labor will increase dramatically?

Wait…. that means Republicans will want illegals to stay here because it keeps labor costs for businesses down…..

Nevermind…….

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“#1 Fence and/or Fortify the Border”

How high, and how deep? Shovels and ladders are cheap and easy to get.

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Stop the abuse of our system enabling tens of thousands of businesses to profit handsomely by using illegal labor with complete impunity and these people will slowly go back home.

In other words, implement massive fines against these many corporations that violated US and state law and imprison a few of their imperious executives and watch the problem take care of itself…

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Call it like it is

“these people are not heros. They are breaking the law, no question”

For a second there I thought you were going to talk about the businessmen and women that employ illegals -

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Does anybody know what our goal in Libya is ?

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“They’ll be stopped by JohnnyReb and Seabeau’s imaginary GigaFence.”

I’m waiting to hear how they suggest we “fence” our sea borders!

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“Does anybody know what our goal in Libya is?”

yes

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Lets load them all up ship them to Libya !

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ty webb – we’ve already been flying drone’s over Mexico…. Calderone is very unhappy about it.

Probably only a matter of time until we’re droppin bombs on Mexico too.

Deep Throat – uh, not exactly. Stopping a massacre? After that, things get a little foggy….

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Doggone 9:35 – you must work as a political aide. Because that is the most bogus bunch of garbage.

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Jay – take note.

TPaw: Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Tim Pawlenty smacks down Trump and says people should stop raising the “birther” issue.

(from politico)

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Hillary Clinton,

You complete me.

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Doggone, perhaps you will share with the rest of the country, because Oblamer did not outline any exit strategy, or what our goal is. He said NATO would take over command today, already thats not happening.

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Granny,

What a solution. I’ve always thought that you were a bit off the wall and this proves it beyond doubt.

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Yes. And if YOU don’t – breed faster

A subversive racist comment.

Translation? Latinos are fast breeders.

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Amvet calling names make you look childish,

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“Translation? Latinos are fast breeders”

Not neccessarily. They don’t have to breed faster, if other “races” breed slower

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jm

March 29th, 2011
9:40 am
Ah yes. A brilliant future for our country, Granny Godzilla has envisioned.

Those who use the least birth control of one sort or another get to rule our country. Brilliant, positively brilliant.

“Yes. And if YOU don’t – breed faster”

Why thanks, based on K71’s premise it is brilliant. People who didn’t use birth control ran the country for the first two hundred years…..not too shabby

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Democrats streamed to the floors of the House and Senate to praise the president for invading Libya. It was, after all, a moral mission that would stop the slaughter of innocent civilians. Whether protesting for peace or calling for war, these liberals once again convinced themselves of the moral superiority of their positions.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52062.html#ixzz1HzoUqcWJ

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oops typo. Never had credibility…. but they just put the nail in the coffin.

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Surely I thought you’d be talking about about obama’s war on iraq, uh, I mean lybia. This is what I call, dodge ball.

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kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
9:41 am
Granny,

What a solution. I’ve always thought that you were a bit off the wall and this proves it beyond doubt.

The perfect solution actually. If if bothers you that Hispanic Americans may have more power than you do, breed more Xenophobic Americans. Simple. Practical. Affordable. (You can breed, can’t you?)

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Liberals have no credibility anymore.

Oh booo hooo….I am going to cry more because I am sure that for the past year jm has consistently told us all how liberals had absolute credibility and now we lost it suddenly in this single act. Woe is me.

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Good morning all. This issue seems to cut across party lines. I am a free immigrationist. I think the “illegals” are an unmitigated blessing to the country, albeit they are a threat to the welfare state. I can think of no “problem” arising from the presence of these hard-working, religious, family-oriented people that is not actually a problem of government mis-allocation of resources.

I would abolish immigration quotas, allow the free market to determine the number who should enter, and eliminate all Federal laws that create financial incentives for people to immigrate.

I broadly agree with my conservative friends that awarding citizenship and the vote should require some proof that it is deserved – perhaps English language-competency, perhaps some general awareness of the contents of the Constitution (although most democrat-appointed Federal judges would probably fail that portion of the test.)

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A cancer left alone will eventually kill you.

A nation without borders will lose its sovereignty

We sent Gen. Pershing 100 years ago to punish Mexico for killiing U.S. citizens across the border.
This has been festering since then !!

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You want to get rid of the illegals, get rid of thier jobs and they will leave.
Oh yeah, take a serious role against street gangs, that will get rid of the rest.

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The sad part is that the continuation of this foolishness serves as a vent, that allows the pressure for reform in Mexico to never to come to a head. You would think that if the 7th Century Muslim world in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, and Libya have had enough with their governments, the Mexican people would get the hint. Rise up and demand a corrupt free government dedicated to law and order and prosperity for its people.

But, with all the disaffected potential leaders of the revolt moving to the US, the peasants are left to suffer with no recourse. Mexico is one of the richest countries in the world with natural resources, however, corruption siphons off the income.

We need to seal the borders, deport those here illegally, and watch the pressure rise on the government of Mexico to reform.

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But the neo-cons went batshiite crazy and wrecked any and all progress on the matter.

Guess I’m not a neo-con. Over the years, I’ve seen several conservatives who were in favor of Bush’s immigration reform, but to here AmVet tell it, ALL are neo-cons.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Granny,
“breed faster”…I like it, but if it means the more you breed, the more power you have. How can you advocate any policy that takes power and a political voice away from gays and lesbians.

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“No matter how difficult we make things, no matter how inhumane or punitive we make our laws, most illegal immigrants are going to conclude that things are better for them and their children here than they would be back home. And if you think about it from their point of view, they’re right.”

First of all I disagree with the above statement in Jay’s commentary. We’ve made it far too hospitable for illegal immigrants for many years and over this time they’ve learned how to get what they can’t get through our generous hospitality by gaming our system. They’ve been costing this country billions of dollars that we can ill afford, much of it in health care. I do agree with Jay when he points out that sending them all back or effectively sealing the Southern border isn’t a workable solution but making it extremely inhospitable for them being here is a workable solution and we should being doing exactly that at every level of government, federal , state and local.

Secondly, we have many who have been going through the immigration process legally it costs them a good deal of money and the process takes several years due to a backlog of applicants. The immigration backlog is over 10 years behind for many classifications. It would be unfair indeed to move those who’re here illegally to the front of this process. The day’s when immigrants truly wanted to come here and become Americans has long since passed. The motive today for too many is all about what they can gain for themselves. Unfortunately, for politicians in both parties their motive is all about politics and not what’s in the American best interest.

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Using your “eyes” to determine immigration status? Is that x-ray vision to check papers or are you just picking out certain groups. Sorry, I often hear people when I walk who are not speaking english and who are obviously of asian descent or european or other…..I cannot look at a single person and tell that they are “illegal” based only on looking at them. Impossible.

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Jay, while it’s true that a lot of illegals are hard working and honest, there are also a lot of them who have criminal records, not just a few but a lot.

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Dick Durbin is schlep for retailers. Good news, for Home Depot, Durbin’s banking law will add $650 million to the bottom line.

Even the Fed thinks Durbin’s banking rule doesn’t make a lot of sense as crafted. Another liberal retarded scheme.

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kayaker: As Hispanics become a more powerful political force in this country, they will determine much of our future. Is that what you want?

AND? That’s the way of (most of) the world, majority rules.

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Jay, while it’s true that a lot of illegals are hard working and honest, there are also a lot of them who have criminal records, not just a few but a lot

There are also a lot of citizens who have criminal records…….that factor alone is meaningless.

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Jay, there is a thing in this country known as law enforcement. If they were given the mandate, I believe they could find and deport most of the illegals here. Naturally, I hope you don’t think our law enforcement agencies are too incompentent to do this. As for cost, make the countries they originally came from pay by witholding their foreign aid if they don’t.

The law enforcement agencies who are responsible for those tasks you describe don’t need a mandate to do that. It’s already their job task and mission. You’re talking about maybe 18,000 agents trying to round up multiple millions of illegal immigrants. Even with CBP and Border Patrol, you have a total of about 40,000 officers (and that’s stretching it) protecting land borders, sea ports, international airports, and any other points of entry into this country. The question you should be asking is, “Do Americans want to pay the money to get what they’re asking for?”

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jm: Hate to point this out, but the Iraqis never ASKED for us to invade their country. A very significant portion of the Lybian population asked for air support, not “boots on the ground,” which we provided along with others. I seem to remember some indepence movement asking France for help once…..

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Dear Keep @ 9:59, mark it down as a rare day, we are in full agreement on your post. Too many laws, too much government.

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Deep Throat

“Does anybody know what our goal in Libya is ?”

Sure.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

Chris

“The old Soviet Union had NO PROBLEMS sufficiently securing their borders from incursions by illegal aliens. Shoot onsite anyone aliens attempting to cross the border illegally. That will stop the flow immediately ”

Soviet military was about four times the size of our military today. You prepared to pay for all the troops necessary to do that?

Plus…. No way are American troops going to shoot women carrying toddlers. You strike me as either living in a tough-guy fantasy or are morally bankrupt. Or both.

Not a personal attack. Just an honest assessment.

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Mr B 10:00 am – that’s complete bunk. I suppose in a sense its true. The several hundred thousand people killed after their uprising in Iraq couldn’t still call for us and the rest of the people that were too scared to speak up after George the First ditched them, yeah I guess you’re right….

Dude, you’re logic is so inconsistent you should work for the IRS.

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kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
10:02 am
So, Granny, you claim to be a descendant of blond haired, blue eyed Swedes. Maybe I should collect on my debt after all.

Oh? Details please?

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The solution is simple. No border fences are needed. If someone hires an illegal, be it a corporation or private company/ individual, the company must pay a $1 million fine per incident and the person(s) doing the hiring must spend 1 year in federal prison per incident. No jobs would stop the illegal flow.

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Guard towers(with armed guards) every 500 yards apart would prevent climbing the wall and ground sensors would identify underground intrusions. I also think that we would need to withdraw aprox.250 behind the existing border, mine the interval. In built up area we would need to level all existing structures for a clear field of fire. These steps would prevent all but the most determined incrusions.

How are you going to pay for the construction and staffing? By my estimations, you’d need about 7000 guard towers to cover the complete Southern border. That means that you’d need at least 21,000 officers to staff those towers. That would give you coverage for 8hr shifts 24 hours a day, but that does not include days off. That 21,000 would only cover the Southern border as well. You’ll still have to staff the northern border, sea ports, and international airports.

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West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller bluntly said Durbin would get “substantial” pushback from much of the 53-member Democratic Caucus if Social Security reform ends up in a deficit reduction package.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52079.html#ixzz1HztiV51K

cause social security is just fine. harhar.

vomit

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dirtbags

Democrats in the leadership and White House are extremely concerned about losing the senior vote in 2012 — and have made that case to Durbin in private meetings.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52079.html#ixzz1Hztvhu9N

let’s not worry about the country, just our constituency

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Jay,
The bigots, mostly white, mostly not descendents of native Americans, and mostly not descendents of Africans brought here against their will in slavery, do not have any standing in this argument. Their ansectors were the first “illegals.” Produce humane, reasonable, and workable solutions to this issue, or shut up.

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Keepup, do you really think being a criminal is meaningless? really? thanks for letting everyone know how that.

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MikeR@10:04, No quarrel with that approach. It would certainly and significantly reduce the illegal flow.

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I agree that no matter what we do to make their lives difficult here, it is still better than the alternative (Mexico in most cases). Here we give them free emergency health care and let their children go to our schools for free, while most of them don’t pay taxes (income). I think the only rational solution is amnesty. If they are going to be here, I at least want them to contribute financially. I’m tired of half the country carrying the load for the other half.

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jm: pardon me, where is the inconsistancy? That fact that you don’t agree with me doesn’t make me inconsistant.

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Mr B – you don’t have the facts jack. you’re a make it up as you go kind of person.

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kayaker 71

Don’t you advocate a free market, not government, as a solution to problems?

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Good morning Paul @ 10:06, “I notice none of our “Free Market Rules All” conservatives came on to agree with you on that!” I thought I was the only one?

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During the march on the Georgia State Capitol protesting the immigration bills, there were a few Blacks in the crowd. However, they do not speak for the masses. The so-called Black leaders in the crowd do not speak for us.

The majority of people of color in America are opposed to illegal immigration. To compare their cause to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950’s and 1960’s is a slap in the face.

If there is anything illegal immigrants should take from the Civil Rights struggle is this…fight for change in your country.

I feel sorry their families may be separated but they chose to put their families in this situation. All Americans ask is for them to process through the system properly so that we may know who is in our country.

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On immigration, who is considering black workers?

http://www.austinweeklynews.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=3&ArticleID=3167&TM=80433.92

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Oh its complex. But at its core, Obama is a hypocrite.

Why a double standard in U.S. foreign policy?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-03-29-column29_ST1_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

But when it comes to using America’s military might to protect innocents, the Obama administration needs to explain why it has chosen to do so in the North African nation of Libya, while disavowing it in the Ivory Coast, a sub-Sahara African nation where a greater “potential humanitarian crisis” is unfolding.

Nearly 500 people have been killed by forces loyal to Laurent Gbagbo, the Ivory Coast president who lost a re-election bid in November but refuses to give up control. Many more people have been wounded in the fighting spawned by Gbagbo’s refusal to leave office. An estimated 500,000 have been displaced, and 90,000 more have fled the West African country, according to the Associated Press.

Recently, Gbagbo’s forces began attacking immigrants from neighboring African countries whose governments have refused to recognize his illegitimate regime. Some have been the victims of necklacing — a brutal practice in which a car tire filled with gasoline is forced over a person’s body and then ignited. When a group of unarmed women marched to protest Gbagbo’s power grab, an army tank fired upon them.

The violence in the Ivory Coast, a nation of nearly 22 million people, threatens to become a far bigger humanitarian crisis than the one the U.S. and its allies went to war to prevent in Libya, which has slightly less than 7 million people. But instead of threatening to use its military might to end the butchery in the Ivory Coast, the Obama administration says it “remains committed to finding a peaceful resolution” to that crisis.

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Mr. B the facts that many Iraqis wanted Saddam pulled down by the US, so many that they rose up against him and without US air support, were subsequently squashed just like the Libya rebels would have been without US intervention.

Dude, you’re such a hypocrite, either out of ignorance or out of deliberate partisanship. Either way, its equally despicable.

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I would just like to say this:

Microsoft Word 2010 sucks.

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Mr B – further research you will have to do on your own. Go take a history lesson. Go use the web. Its not my job to educate the ignorant and biased.

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jm@10:14 in other words, you can’t show an inconsistancy on my part. Glad we got that cleared up.

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SoCom

Excellent point on the composition of illegals. I once cited the number of illegal Irish in Massachusetts. Funny how just substituting one country for another changes the emotions, isn’t it?

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Paul…..illegal irish!!! hahahahaha Now THAT is funny!

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Right or wrong, at least your column expresses opinions on an important issue. The problem is that nothing is going to come out of the White House for the next two years that may be controversial. Obama does not care about all U. S. citizens or illegal immigrants. He is only concerned about getting re-elected. If an immigration bill will benefit him personally, then he will create one. This is yet another example that Obama is over his head and is an ineffective leader because he only knows how to react rather than create. Thus when his pollsters tell him that there are potential votes from Hispanics, he will start acting on immigration. Until then, while the rest of the world is mired in chaos, we are going to get more basketball brackets and speaches on school bullying.

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Paul,

Free markets do not enforce our laws. I think we should start with that. Most free markets work within a framework of laws to protect the participants. Meantime, who is going to pay all of the bills while the free market levels itself and we come to some sort of equilibrium? There are much better solutions to the problem than just opening up all of our borders, allowing anyone to enter and then see what happens. Try entering Switzerland with that type of scenario. Takes years to obtain Swiss citizenship and then only if you have a skill that they need, which is not too often. They protect their country against an onslaught of illegal immigration which would bankrupt them if they handled it the way we are doing.

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And while we’re on the topic of Iraq and historical revisionism, it’s worth pointing out that the attempts at diplomacy with Saddam Hussein lasted through 12 years, 17 UN Resolutions, and two administrations, including the Clinton administration (which went so far as to bomb Iraq in 1998 without UN or NATO approval). It ranks among history’s longer diplomatic efforts to avoid war. And under President Bush, five separate Iraq-related UN Security Council Resolutions were passed unanimously, including 1441, which found Iraq in material breach of its obligations and warned Iraq of “serious consequences” (which all parties understood to mean war) for continued violations. For four-and-a-half months, the United States and its allies worked within the Security Council to enforce that Council’s long-standing demands. Yet, some permanent members of the Security Council publicly announced they would veto any resolution that compelled the disarmament of Iraq. These governments shared America’s assessment of the danger but did not share America’s resolve to meet it. More than three dozen nations, however, did have the resolve to act against Saddam Hussein.

As for Iraq and Congress: On October 10-11, 2002, the House voted 296-133 in favor of the Use of Force Resolution, while the vote in the Senate was 77-23. All told, 110 Democrats in the House and Senate voted in favor of going to war – including then-Senator Hillary Clinton who, in speaking about the United Nations (whose support in the war she, like President Bush, preferred), said,

It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million of Kosovar Albanians… In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.

Which brings us back to Mrs. Clinton’s comments yesterday about “unilateral action.” Since the idea of a Clinton knowingly spreading untruths is inconceivable, we’ll simply assume that her charges of unilateralism are the product of extraordinary sloppiness and an unusual memory lapse.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/03/28/hillary-clinton%E2%80%99s-falsehoods/

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Paul

Yep. Those who don’t know, don’t have a clue.

George

Take a look at these…

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/22/mccain-irish/

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-rodriguez8apr08,0,1081193.column

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Paul,

I’ve always said that if the anti-illegals crowd had someone like this living next door to them who they knew to be illegal:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1065454/

who cuts the grass in her bikini, they wouldn’t be all that quick to complain.

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Aquagirl, you know the cons have gone Dr. Demento when they advocate becoming exactly like the murderous Russians in dealing with the issue.

@@, the damn RINO’s! Seriously though, I was incorrect. I’ll do some more checking but according to the one source I saw (ABC News), the act was initially approved by 43% of Repubs, while 53% opposed it. But that was at the very beginning of the debate. I presume it dropped precipitously.

Oops, that didn’t lst very long. The duplicitous Mr. Thin Skin/Talk Out of Both Sides of his Mouth has joined the dark side!

Pablum pukers.

LOL…

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Southern…..too bad it was in vein!

You doing drugs this early in the am?

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By the way, JM, I will agree that if you could make a difference in the Ivory Coast, short of occupying the country, we should do it.

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Black And Blue 2: Blacks Flee Blue States in Droves
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/03/27/black-and-blue-2-blacks-flee-blue-states-in-droves/

Moral of the story. Democrats, dumb, bad government. Republicans, smaller, good government that helps create growth and jobs. Vote Red.

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Paul

Beat ya to it!!!!!

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kayaker 71

Your first few sentences are fair enough. But really, my impression is, on this blog, many, if not most, of the free marketers couch their arguments in the form of market forces make regulation (laws) unnecessary. That laws/regulations should be eliminated or not enacted to allow free market principles to work.

I may have misinterpreted that, but that’s how I recollect it.

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Think about it….if they gave their lives…did it help?

Do you even have to ask such a fu*ked up thing???? You’re damned right it helped. At least those men/women died doing something other than sitting on a damned computer bitching about it on a blog. What have you done?

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**Moral of the story. Democrats, dumb, bad government. Republicans, smaller, good government that helps create growth and jobs. Vote Red**

Yeah, everybody should flee to that great bastion of republican deficits – texas….

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Bosch

Complain?!!?

Heck they’d offer to give her shelter and hide her from the authorities. “Here you go, you poor thing. I’ve expanded this closet in my bedroom. You can stay here….”

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no, jm. they steal SS ID numbers so that they can work, not to go to the doctor.

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deegee – true. just a nice side bene.

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Poison…You really don’t know what you are talking about. You seem unable to logically apply discernable thinking. To your post that “a lot of “illegals” haave criminal records, I responded:
There are also a lot of citizens who have criminal records…….that factor alone is

Your response is then: Keepup, do you really think being a criminal is meaningless? really? thanks for letting everyone know how that

Not really on point are you. I never said being a criminal was meaningless. As a factor to determining an immigration system, “criminal” alone without the ability to discern more is meaningless. There is a significant difference to a rational mind.

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deegee- that’s why they just steal SS ID Numbers…..

Of course jm has proof to support his claim and has withheld it from the authorities. Who’s that knocking at your door, jm.

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outta here. got stuff to do.

Liberals, have fun tying yourself in knots over completely inconsistent foreign policy and promoting the bankruptcy of our nation.

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Speaking of immigration…

Does anyone here have any idea why a man born in America and claiming to be a Christian would change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama?

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What has this fool done now, besides making America a simple 3rd world arms dealer, destroying the economy, devaluing the dollar, heaping trillions of dollars in debt upon us, and trying to have us as the ultimate fools in the eyes of the rest of the world?

Carrying on the longstanding precedents and traditions of his predecessors?

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Paul,

I give up, what is Sean’s number?

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Does anyone here have any idea why a man born in America and claiming to be a Christian would change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama?

To give folks like Sarah Palin and birthers, et al, something else to whine about.

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Bosch

1-800-foxnews

x666 for Sean

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**Have fun eating sand.**

Sorry to rock your fantasy world of republican superiority but I’ll remind you again that both partys are part of the same hypocrisy. I’ll take the dems while you can carry the water for the rich…

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“The alternative, then, is to acknowledge the continuing presence of illegal immigrants while providing an avenue for them to leave the shadows and join the mainstream. That’s a step that only Congress can take — a step that it has so far refused to take, and that it shows no signs of taking in the foreseeable future.”

The reason Congress refuses to address the issue is very simple. As Mr. Bookman puts it, “providing an avenue for them to leave the shadows and join the mainstream” leaves 20-30 million legal residents and citizens unemployed while rewarding the illegal aliens and their employers. Either way, there are going to be a lot of ticked off voters in ‘12.

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**it’s the “cons” as you call them who pay all the taxes **

Sounds good, but no basis in fact, try again..

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Hey getalife, did you find any of those $500 lies I told yet?

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“Good luck getting to Libya on a bus, fool”

The bus will take you to Delta.

They are ready when you are con.

Love it or leave it..

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hjarry.

Your name is a lie.

Pay up welcher.

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Mick…..”Sounds good, but no basis in fact”…..Really look at how the demographics in voters amoung Repubs and Dems……

The wealthest 7% pay 42% of the taxes….which way to they vote again?

The lady in the welfare office that pays no taxes….which way does she vote?

Wisen up.

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Taxpayer……haha yeah great point for a 3rd grader!

I’m glad I was able to connect.

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There are more blacks in prison today that were ever in slavery…..interesting fact eh?

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georg

The lady in the welfare office probably doesn’t vote plus everyone who is wealthy is not a repub…wisdom forwarded..

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The lady in the welfare office that pays no taxes…

This crap again?

Every consumer pays taxes, sport.

Like getalife says, this is a no lie zone.

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Nice spin Jay, “anti-immigration law”. Didn’t catch it at first.

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w,

Duh.

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“The bus will take you to Delta.”

Conservatives drive luxury cars and SUVs. Buses are for liberals.

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Mick….just take the percentages and averages….that will be fine….I think you get my point.

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Taxpayer….with your lib base? Great job!

So far, only you responded to that post but I’ll let you know if anyone claiming to be a lib responds, k.

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“Every consumer pays taxes, sport.”

If a welfare queen gets a $500 check from government, and 5% of that goes to sales taxes when she buys stuff, who really paid he taxes there, sport?

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Kammy-poo…hello? Time for the Skittles-crapping unicorn rejoinder now? It’s SOOOOOO intellectual….

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Paul,

Under normal circumstances it would have been. I need a secretary.

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georg

You have not made a point, just a warped opinion…

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1) Withdraw the troops from Obaminiation’s pointless and costly wars.
2) Use said troops to round up the illegals.
3) Ship them all into Mexico, regardless of country of origin, Mexico has been the biggest problem, let them deal with everyone.
4) Use 20% of the troops to patrol the border with the use of deadly force.
5) Levy huge fines against all employers found to be emplying illegals. Use the money to pay for the deportation.
Why is it all the limp little libs always say it’s impossible to do anything to improve our country? We transported, armed and fed millions of troops using 1940’s technology, rounding up 20 million illegals (everyone knows there’s way more than the ‘official’ number) should be a piece of cake.

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If a welfare queen gets a $500 check from government, and 5% of that goes to sales taxes when she buys stuff…

Continuing the myth of silly Ronnie.

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Aqua….agreed.

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“Fair is fair hypocrites.”

Yeah…like bashing the Iraq’Afghanistan wars but enbracing this one isn’t hypocritical.

Critical thinking really isn’t your forte. is it?

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people can have as many babies as they want, just do not ask me to support them. any party who asks me to pony up will not get my vote. just wait until the other minorities (in name only) lose a piece of their government pie.

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When the “cons” leave, the entire country will look like the “Twentieth Century Motor Company.”

@Harry…why would you bother to argue with someone as infantile and uninformed as “getalife?”

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Bosch

One secretary, coming up!

http://tinyurl.com/4skgwny

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Ragnar,

I’ll bet that’s cheaper than a secretary, huh? Even an illegal alien one?

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Aquagirl!! You’ll only have to shoot a few!! Its the threat that counts! This is how every other country in the world does it! Its how Mexico’s southern boarder is controlled,with armed guards!!!

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Wow!, Southern Comfort. That was very artistic!

I really think that people should have to present a tamper proof SS card when applying for social security benefits. We need a tamper proof national ID card to establish that a person is in the country legally and is eligible to work. The drivers license should be used strictly for operating a motor vehicle, and the voter registration card should be used strictly for voting.

We are deluded into thinking that we are somehow more free because we don’t have a national ID card. I think that we are actually less free because of the consequences we suffer from the fraudulent use of SS cards and drivers licenses.

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Thanks Paul! I’m feeling better already!!

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Dear Bosch @ 10:50, ha.

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I wonder How much money is going to cost the State if all this bills go into law?

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“Aquagirl!! You’ll only have to shoot a few!!”

Yeah, Aquagirl, what’s a few freaking kids!

Let me guess, this person is pro-choice as well, but if some kids are crossing the border, shoot ‘em.

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Damn, I meant pro-life.

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“I was kinda hopin’ Sean’s phone number (800-foxnews) and “666″ extension was worth a little coffee spew on your monitor and letters -”

I was for me…I only just read it

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Bosch….I am sure you could open up your crib and let them live with you.

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getalife

The military has a world-class socialistic health care system, too.

Admiral Sestak (retired) says if it’s good enough for him it’s good enough for the country.

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To SoCo’s point about jackassery…

1) The few cons here prevaricate all day long.

2) They get caught doing so, all day long.

3) They forge ahead with more lies, all day long.

Rinse and repeat.

Shameless but great spectacle….

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Morning, Doggone/GA

Bosch’ll ship you some monitor cleaner -

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Thanks Paul,.

I think you can stay but the cons need deported.

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“No matter how difficult we make things, no matter how inhumane or punitive we make our laws,…”

What is inhumane about enforcing the law of the land? Should we each be allowed to pick the laws we wish to obey and get amnesty from the others? “Did you say DUI officer? I think not, as I don’t follow that law.”

“Rape sweetie? Not me, I never liked that rule too much ma’am.”

“Pay you for these groceries? You must be kidding me, dude!”

I do like the concept of charging them an excise tax or tarriff to cover the expense of supporting them in numbers disproportionate to their contributions. New York and New Jersey have run most of their eeeevil conservative money grubbers out of town with high taxes. It could just work.

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We’re moody!

NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. consumer confidence fell in March a month after hitting a three-year high as expectations about jobs and income growth worsened, according to a private sector report released on Tuesday.

The Conference Board, an industry group, said its index of consumer attitudes fell to 63.4 in March from an upwardly revised 72.0 in February.

The median of forecasts from analysts polled by Reuters was for a reading of 65.0. Forecasts ranged from 55.0 to 72.0.

The expectations index slipped to 81.1 from 97.5, while consumers’ expectations for inflation in the coming 12 months hit the highest level since October 2008.

Consumers’ labor market assessment worsened. The “jobs hard to get” index rose to 44.6 percent from 44.4 percent the month before, while the “jobs plentiful” index slipped to 4.4 percent from 4.9 percent.

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“The military has a world-class socialistic health care system, too.”

Six days in the ICU. Two major operations. Countless other proceudres. 24/7 care by the best of the best.

In other words, the best health care on the planet and the new Gold Standard.

And it cost me $77.

Thank you Uncle Sam!

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Load the cons on B-52s and bomb Libya with them!

Better idea.

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It slays me that people are so worked up over illegal immigrants taking jobs that require one to toil 8-10 hours a day in the hot sun for $6.00 an hour. Yet they could care less about illegal immigrants that have overstayed their visas or violated the terms of their visas in order to work in air conditioned offices while pulling in $60K a year. Stupid Americans.

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The ANSWER $2.399 BILLION last year alone!

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America was a great country until the [insert ethnic group here*+] started coming in waves. They don’t want to learn our ways, they don’t want to meet out standards, they just want to enjoy the benefits of the society we created while insisting on their own culture. Those [insert ethnic group here*+] are just bringing us down to their level. We had a good thing going until [insert ethnic group here*] got here. We don’t need ‘em. Send ‘em back where they came from.

* Mexicans, Indians and Pakistanis, Italians, Irish, eastern Europeans, Jews, Chinese, Poles, Africans.
+ Optional for Native Americans: All of the above.

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JKL2

Same scenario. The US has agreements with many countries where their Consular officials here have to be notified if they are detained for any reason. Most countries will not accept someone being deported from any country if it’s not one of their own citizens being returned home. That situation comes up quite often.

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seabeau@10:50 wrote, in part:

Mexico’s southern boarder is controlled,with armed guards!!!

Plus, they’re building their own wall down there….to keep out the illegals….

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“Certainly, our border with Mexico needs to be tightened as much as possible. In practical terms, however, a boundary more than 2,000 miles long through mainly undeveloped areas can never be made secure against people sufficiently motivated to cross it. That’s a fact.”

No, that’s a lie.

Our border with Canada is far longer, and their crossing is not a threat. We are secure with Canada. The secret then is in the motivation. Both Bush and Obama refuse to employ their exective authority to enforce the border. Whether or not Congress is rushing to action, is irrelevant at least to the extent that the executive branch has not fulfilled its role in enforcement either. It seems that Obama is actually doing worse than Bush, if that’s possible, even if he is talking a better game.

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kayaker: Debbie, You are about as bright today as Granny. So a country should open their borders, take in all who want to live here and then rejoice in the fact that they can potentially take over the country politically because they produce more offspring. Man, that’s liberal logic of the first degree.

Please point out to me where in my post did I say ANY of the above^^. I’ll wait.

PS: Reading is Fundamental; but comprehending what you’ve read is the key.

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AmVet

I can’t help but wonder how the health care reform effort would have gone if advocates had, right from the start, invoked ideas such as “we’re going to take some of the best health care in the world – the health care we provide our military and their families – and make it available to all Americans.”

Then let the cons figure out how to attack military health care. If they say it’s not good enough, they’ve got a huge problem.

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And it needs to be said that amnesty without border enforcement (as we had for decades after 1986) is just nothing less than legalizing invasion.

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SoCo – The portion of troops that are National Guard can be used here; just change their status from Title 10 activation to ADSW.
As to shooting women and children…we firebombed 100,000 Japanese women and children in a single evening to try and end one war. This is just a different type of war, we have been invaded and we’re entitled to defend ourselves by any means necessary.
BTW, the correct term is illegal alien. Immigration implies the process of entering a country legally, therefore immigrants are legal, illegals are aliens.

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getalife – AmVet

Here ya’ go.

Gotta watch it to the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

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A G AmVet?

Well it was you that got hairy to cut and run.

That would take all his welfare money.

AmVet got one welcher.

getalife got one welcher.

We are tied.

Any other cons want to bet?

I am going for the lead.

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John Birch, the Japanese weren’t trying to mow our lawns and clean our hotel rooms.

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We NEED the illegal immigrants. They take the jobs that even the blacks don’t want.

(And that’s not my quote….Mexico’s president said that so don’t get your panties in a wad)

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AmVet

March 29th, 2011
10:56 am
To SoCo’s point about jackassery…

1) The few cons here prevaricate all day long.

2) They get caught doing so, all day long.

3) They forge ahead with more lies, all day long.

AmVet, Critical thinking skills- you lack them. I see I need to help you out a bit with your typos.

1)Libs accuse cons of prevaricating all day long but never provide one iota of proof.

2)Libs get called out all day long on this BS but never can back up their charges of cons lying- they just come up with more rhetoric as if rhetoric makes em right. The basis of the lib argument is to shout louder.

3)Libs forge ahead with more baseless charges of cons lying all day long without providing any shred of proof.

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Interesting discussion.

Since Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, and legalized the “illegals”, nothing has been done by either the Democrats or the Republicans. Yet part of today’s’ commenters blame only the Democrats and the others blame only the Republicans. Reagan’s bill passed with bi-partisan support.

A similar bill can be passed and signed into law by June 1, 2011 if the following takes place:
1. introduce the Kennedy-McCain Bill,
2. both party bases agree to the necessary compromises

Of course, that will not happen. Which means that the problem is not a very big important problem. If immigration was a Big Important problem a majority would demand that something be done Now. But the majority have not demanded a solution.

And that tells me that immigration is just not that big of a problem.

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Off Topic but interesting

“Last year, candidate Barack Obama stood on a sidewalk in Toledo, Ohio, and first let it slip to Joe the Plumber that he wanted to quote, ’spread the wealth around. At that time, I have to admit, that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched.

Audio of current Fox News DC Bureau Chief Bill Sammon in 2009

Who’s makin’ the kool aid and who’s drinkin’ it????

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That is perfect Paul.

Yeeehaw.!

Ride that nuke.

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Our border with Canada is far longer, and their crossing is not a threat. We are secure with Canada.

No, that’s a lie. Canada’s asylum laws are far more lax than the US. There’s a growing population of asylum seekers from the ME that are entering Canada. The only actual terrorist apprehended attempting to enter the US at the border was in the State of Washington.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/nation-world/terroristwithin/chapter12.html

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I love the liberal crowd, all they can say is NO we can’t do that about ANY immigration issue, or how can we possibly sent them home? Come on Libs get real, we have busses, and every journey starts with a small step, so one bus at a time. We take their DNA and send them home, and then if they get back here illegally they go to jail then sent home. The whole reason the border is NOT secure is because libs think they are new dimacrats coming over the border. Funny how we can send thousands of troops overseas to protect other peoples borders and ours look like Swiss cheese…

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Aquagirl – No, they just dropped bombs on Pearl and left. The Mexdicans, and others, won’t leave without assistance.

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getalife,

Your points are weaker than the Libyan air force.

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Thulsa,

Mood Asluht. You were looking in a mirror dumb a$$.

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Paul

The VA has been doing a FABULOUS job with my Pop…..

As his sight and hearing fails, they have opened up a world of
options and alternatives for him.

We are a family that is very grateful to the Veterans Administration.

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Mr. Birch, my grandfather would have disagreed with you, as he “assisted” some Japanese SOLDIERS in leaving islands during WW II.

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BTW, the correct term is illegal alien. Immigration implies the process of entering a country legally, therefore immigrants are legal, illegals are aliens.

Nope. An alien can be removed from this country under the Immigration and Nationality Act according to Section 212 a(7) as an immigrant without an immigrant visa.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html
Just because someone is labeled as an immigrant doesn’t necessarily make them legal.

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AmVet,

I was going to say that you’re as dumb as my box of rocks. But I like my box of rocks. I will not dishonor them in such a fashion.

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doom

Please spare us the white horse you come riding in on….

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getalife,

You pert near had a rational thought there buddy. Still a little on the rambling side of incoherency. Try again.

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Mick,

Can’t help it. Its just too easy shooting fish in a barrel.

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Normal

March 29th, 2011
8:47 am
“I say make ‘em legal and let them all become good Democrats” Of course …whether they become “goody” democrats of course is up to them isn’t that the American way?

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Googles, goggles, whatever.

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doom

It’s amazing how you can keep missing those fish…

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Yippee,

I would call you a moron but then the moron anti defamation league would sue me.

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And as my public education taught me: nanner nanner poo-poo

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Yippee,

Is that all ya got ma’am? Try again.

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doom,

Tell us the joke about the con with a brain.

Love that one.

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I have yet to hear one single person from the left right, state a solution to illegal immigration and illegal aliens…..is it easier just to point fingers at the right left?

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doomed has turned into wow.

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Thelma, I did enjoy your cameo as the car salesman in the opening scene…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

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Joe,

They cheat on their wives and spew family values?

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carlosgvv

March 29th, 2011
11:28 am
Granny

I think you said your hubby was a P-38 pilot. Did he do combat flying? If so, was he fighting for the right of 12 million illegal aliens to come and stay here? Inquiring minds would really like to know.

Nope, My dad flew P-38’s in the Pacific, my hubby jumped outa choppers during Tet…..Both fought (and still do) for human rights for all people including refugees from nations so poor they can’t feed their people…some folks call that American, some Christian – for us it’s just the right thing to do

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Mick….I like that idea as well. However it is up to the states to individually call the National Guard for assistance.

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getalife,

Back down quick my child. You’re no match for me.

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Wow Mood,
Now we can see that you really are as smart as you think.

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georg

All right then we should start building army training centers along the border for you know, simulated desert ops….

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My husband avails himself of V.A.’s medical. Only when it comes to annual/bi-annual check-ups. He’d never have major surgery at their facility. They didn’t do such a good job with his Dad. Went in for what they call a drug holiday (El Dopamine) and left frozen and rigid. Spent his last 10 years a bedridden invalid. He was fine up until then. They thought the drug holiday would benefit him in some way. They were grossly mistaken.

My neighbor, whose husband recently died, did so after having surgery at the V.A.. While it was a pretty straightforward procedure, something went terribly amiss. She’s trying to get to the bottom of it.

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The Mexicans are a better class of people than you white trash xenophobes.

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Bookman says “let them out of the shadows,(an extremely boring response, used thousands of times), I will agree when and if Bookman’s job is up for the taking as many middle class jobs are. Young people who want to join the work force without college education, our black youth are most st risk. Many laid off, older workers would gladly take many of the jobs, but the employers rather have the illegal for lower pay with much of it off the books.

I am a retiree, but I notice that most who support the illegal immigrants are those whose livelihood is not at stake and who benefit from cheap labor.

I support Americans. We can all do our part. I had my house expanded a few years back and I told the GC that he could not have the contract unless he used American workers.

Bookman’s job first, then maybe I can be swayed.———————- Nah!

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getalife, examples like maybe you neighbour your coworker who?

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MC……great move to Mexico….I am sure you would be more welcome there than you are here.

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“That was the intent of the REAL ID initiative. That one went over like a sack of nickles in a pool”

and it can’t be done anyway. Any ID we can create can be forged, or just plain stolen

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“The Georgia Legislative Black Caucus filed a lawsuit Monday against the state of Georgia seeking to dissolve the city charters of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton and Chattahoochee Hills. Further, the lawmakers, joined by civil rights leader the Rev. Joseph Lowery, aim to dash any hopes of a Milton County.”

Wow. I suppose that chartering a city itself can be seen as a racist enterprise designed to dilute minority voter representation–that is, in fact, what these dum-dums are claiming. Good luck to the last vestiges of legacy “racial justice” in this country.

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http://articles.cnn.com/2005-05-14/us/fox.jackson_1_immigration-policy-mexican-immigrants-mexican-leader?_s=PM:US

“There is no doubt that Mexicans, filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work, are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States.” -Vicente Fox, May 2005

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Buck…..you are SPOT ON!

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dumb (dʌm)

— adj
1. lacking the power to speak, either because of defects in the vocal organs or because of hereditary deafness
2. lacking the power of human speech: dumb animals
3. temporarily lacking or bereft of the power to speak: struck dumb
4. refraining from speech; uncommunicative
5. producing no sound; silent: a dumb piano
6. made, done, or performed without speech

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Granny – “some folks call that American, some Christian”

And some folks say that since no other country in the world allows so many illegal aliens into their country as we do then either we know something that they don’t or they know something we don’t. Which do you think is the most likely?

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doom,

If you have to look up dumb in a dictionary, you just might be a i d iot.

You just got crushed like an insect.

Want some more?

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This is truly funny, funny in the sense that y’all don’t remember recent history. For those who have forgotten… Saint Reagan gave amnesty to over 13 million illegals. So by logic, if you are against this type of action, you are against the pillar of the GOP… Saint Ronnie. That’s all folks.

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snoqualmiepass,

Smack down.

Ouch that hurt the cons.

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getalife,

I would call you stupid but the word stupid just doesn’t deserve that.

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eorge W

March 29th, 2011
11:44 am

MC…..I dont know I am really enjoying where we are now in society…>Good luck catching up!

Obviously it is you that needs to come into the 21st century George W. Get with the way things are. Understand that you either deal with diversity or you get the hell out of the way before it buries you. The 50s aren’t coming back bozo. Get used to all the brown around you or get the hell out. Start your own homeland or something.

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Live and let live, 10 mil try 16 mil. People are people, no different so quit treating anyone different. Money talks and bs walks.

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Granny

Your dad flew P-38s? He has my utmost respect. That was a particularly tricky twin-engined fighter.

N-GA’s dad flew P-47 Thunderbolts. My mom was an inspector for the cylinders. 19-year old could shut down the entire line if she found a defect.

My dad was in charge of the engine room on an Infantry landing Ship in the South Pacific. Said they called the captain the “Old Man” (not to his face) as he was the oldest guy on board. He was about 27.

They really were the Greatest Generation.

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MC…..sorry dude most of the “brown” I see are in prison or the welfare line. You should really work on improving your class. FYI….your current leadership will not get you there…..keep working.

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JKL2@10:45 wrote in part:

The Berlin Wall worked very well. It worked because the penalty for climbing over it was instant death

Which is why Smartfellers, like my dad, took us to the West German border and simply crossed there.

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“There is no doubt that Mexicans, filled with dignity, willingness and ability to work, are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States.” -Vicente Fox, May 2005

I’ll take two hard working Mexicans over generation upon generation of government dependents. Support the productive before the demwits cripple them.

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I sure wish you liberals would make up your minds. You want to punish the companies who hire illegals severely, but you don’t want to send the illegals home. How does that work? They can stay, but can’t work? Or they can stay for the purpose of fining companies who hire them?

Make up your minds please. Your inconsistant thinking is NUTS!!

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Thelma, quit being a racist.

Or go back to Tucker’s, where it is ubiquitous from you cons…

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Democrats refused to join Bush on immigration because the politics of deying a “victory” was more important to them than any progress on the issue. It was a clear case of partisan politics among our so called progressives.
One of the arguments against the AZ law is that immigration is a federal issue. Perhaps but it’s clearly an issue that the feds don’t want any part of. They have fiddled on this issue for a long time, neglecting thier responsilbity and the country is worse off as a result.

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“If you study and try real hard. You can be the best bagger at Kroger even with an IQ of 60″

I see we’ve reached the stage of infantile insults. Sad to think that this sort of thing actually passes for DEBATE with that crowd

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Woodstock….dont bother MC is not that smart.

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I see we’ve reached the stage of infantile insults. Sad to think that this sort of thing actually passes for DEBATE with that crowd

Yep!!

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Doggone/GA,

I’m more than happy to debate. But ya gotta understand that when the libs start with childish insults I just have to beat them into submission for a little bit. I fight fire with fire and it always ends the same way. They can’t match up with me and so then they just start complaining about it. It is what it is.

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“hairy cut an ran.

Did not want to pay 500 out of his welfare check.

Just another welcher con.”

No, punk, I have a job. I don’t play on the internet 24/7 like you.

Just another bedwetting liberal.

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Has anybody else noticed our governments; local, state, and federal, have resorted to a game of “find the money” and are doing anything and everything they can to take more money from us. They’re going to tax sattelite TV, cell phones, have diverted funds from anything possible, are telling everybody their house is going to burn down without a property tax increse, blah blah blah. They’re proposing casinos in underground and the Doraville GM plant for tax revenue reasons. They’re keeping the GA400 tolls for the revenue. The list is endless.

Does anybody think they’ll ease up these new taxes when the economy improves ant their revenue returns? Or do you think they’ll just spend their newfound money recklessly?

Enough already!

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“Saint Reagan gave amnesty to over 13 million illegals. So by logic, if you are against this type of action, you are against the pillar of the GOP… Saint Ronnie. That’s all folks.”

Is this what passes for logic these days??

If so, we are in big trouble………

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Paul:

Hope you’re able to hold someone accountable.

My father-in-law passed away years ago. Way too young, but pass, he did.

The neighbor? The V.A. has “sovereign immunity”. Although she could take legal action, I doubt seriously her resources would succeed in outlasting theirs.

Stuff happens!

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AmVet,

The Republican pro-crime party? Man that is too funny. Yep! The jails are just filled with Republicans. Hell there knocking down liquor stores every night. Carjackings too! Matter a fact the prisons are filled with them Republicans.

AmVet I would probably even concede that the Athens cop that got gunned down the other night by that worthless thug was a Democrat. And of course I’m sure that thug that shot and killed him was a card carrying Republican.

If idiocy were measured on the Richter scale your idiocy level would require a brand new mega richter scale. The Japan earthquake wouldn’t even register as a fart on the new AmVet mega idiocy scale.

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Harry

[["“I am retired so you lied again.”

Being on welfare doesn’t count as being “retired.]]

The high road would have been “sorry, getalife, I shot off a remark before I read your post.”

The high road. That means….. oh, never mind…..

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Has anybody else noticed our governments; local, state, and federal, have resorted to a game of “find the money” and are doing anything and everything they can to take more money from us.

Oh well, you voted the GOP in. Deal with it. Only 3.5 years until you can vote them out.

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Paul, when you depend on government for all your needs, that’s when people have power over you.

Just sayin’…………..

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“Oh well, you voted the GOP in. Deal with it. Only 3.5 years until you can vote them out.”

well…..you addressed one of the three……………

How many local gov’ts are gop??

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Paul,

Harry do have a point there. I can always just quit posting and go back to work which is what I shall do shortly. I have freedom. But a ward of the govt? Nope-he’s a slave on the gubment dependency plantation.

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Amvet, what is wrong with holding the company and the individual responsible for their criminal action? Are you and your brethern not capable of maintaining both schools of thought in your simple minds?

Get off the “corporations are evil and must be opposed” mantra long enought to think for a change.

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md

Depends on the city/county. I’d wager that the majority in GA are GOP controlled. The urban areas probably would be Democratic controlled, but outlying areas like Cobb, Gwinnett, and even here in Henry are GOP territory.

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You have to the secure the borders (with Canada and Mexico) and then go after businesses that hire illegals. Promise them no corporate taxes for the next four years if they only hire LEGAL citizens. Also, close them down if they don’t use E-verify, etc. to ensure their employees are using the correct social security numbers, green cards, etc. Be tough with them. We should also make identity fraud a felony. I thought if one uses false information on an I-9 form when applying for a job was a felony but no one is enforcing that rule unless you are a LEGAL citizen.

I know I am a racist or xenophobe. You just can’t win….

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TODAYS ILLEGALS = TOMORROWS DEMONCRATS!

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SC, if you really think this is a Republican issue and your cherished little Democrats wouldn’t be doing this, YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT!! You are the problem SC. You can’t see issues without D and R attached to them. Wise up or do us all a favor and stop voting.

I do believe it is a Republican issue as they are the party who signs “No tax increase” pledges. If, as you stated, governments are looking everywhere for more money, then why sign the pledge in the first place if you’re going to raise taxes? It’s always assumed that the Democratic Party is the “Tax and spend” party. Yet, Georgia is a GOP dominated state. If the GOP were true to their “no tax increase” pledges, you wouldn’t have to worry about the governments looking for ways to get more money, would you?

For the record, I don’t cherish Democrats OR Republicans. I don’t know how many times I have to tell you and others here. I wised up a long time ago, and realized the only difference between the two is the place where campaign contributions are sent. Maybe you should follow your own advice and wise up……

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Bookman, how many illegals are you willing to let invade the U.S. ? I am tired of my taxes supporting them .

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Harry

“Paul, when you depend on government for all your needs, that’s when people have power over you.

Just sayin’…………..”

No argument there. But the point is, getalife said he was retired. You made the error of assuming he’s on welfare, then compounded it with a red herring about reliance on the government.

The point remains, getalife’s retired and you implied he has the views he does because he’s on welfare.

You should apologize. Really.

But your point about gov’t reliance and loss of freedom. Over here in Texas we have a huge budget shortage (thanks, Republicans). The Republican legislature, to their credit, has proposed eliminating many high-dollar tax write-offs and credits for the oil and gas industry (major player, here). Industry says without that they can’t survive or will have to greatly reduce their operations.

So in that sense, you do indeed have a point. Corporations who can’t survive without welfare do lose their freedom.

But if we stop giving them so much of our money, maybe we’ll get back some of our freedom, eh?

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“I’m not for allowing illegals to stay in this country,” said Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va. “I think they should have to go back to their home countries … and get in line with Jack, Suzy and John and apply for a guest worker position.”

The wheels of government like to grind us down slowly.

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Why attempt to make this more complicated than it is. Secure the borders to the greatest extent possible, enforce our immigration laws fully. Those who are here illegally will eventually run into the bureaucracy of our state and nation and once it’s determined that they are here in violation of our laws, they should be expelled to their country of origin. Cold as this may seem, it’s they only way we have of encouraging illegals who are already here and benefiting from U.S. tax dollars to return to their native country and do things the right way by applying for legal immigration and waiting in line. Those who refuse to do so, should be arrested, their assets forfeited as well as those of employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens, to be used to offset the costs of identifying, incarcerating and ultimately deporting illegal aliens. Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, diminishing resources, crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded schools, hospitals, and jails, vanishing farm land and green space, water and energy shortages, crime, pollution, the balkanization of our communities, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, the marginalization of American workers, taxpayers and voters, the overall decline in quality of life, are all the result of unconstrained immigration and lax enforcement. Like it or not folks, too many people competing for the same limited resources is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, sane, sustainable social, economic or environmental policy. Under no circumstances can we allow any illegal to flaunt our laws. If police, educators, social services, health care workers encounter anyone they suspect of being in our country illegally, their next step should be to report them to ICE. As for those who assert that enforcement will lead to profiling, our laws never pretended to put citizens or legal immigrants above suspicion, our laws do however provide ample opportunity for anyone who might be detained to demonstrate that they are a legal resident, and that’s a damned sight better than American’s receive in other countries.

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I have zero problems with those clauses, George W.

And yet AmVet’s “fans” never call HIM a xenophobe but sit silently by while he calls conservatives who support those same measures xenophobes.

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@@, it’’s tough, but try to avoid your silly logical fallacies and irrelevant appeals.

Or at least just quit the outright lying…

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“When the fire department chief tells the public their homees will burn if there isn’t a property tax increase to pay for his department, somebody needs to tell the people, “you’re going to have to choose between fire services and libraries, because the well is dry”

These are empty sick threats! They don’t want to get rid of illegals draining our economy yet they act is they can play games with the lives of the taxpaying citizens. It’s disgusting!

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firewoman, tell me how much it would cost to round up and deport all illegals. When you find that amount lying around, let us know.

I didn’t know you loved ignorance so much and hated actual thinking as well.

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carlosgvv

March 29th, 2011
11:47 am
Granny – “some folks call that American, some Christian”

And some folks say that since no other country in the world allows so many illegal aliens into their country as we do then either we know something that they don’t or they know something we don’t. Which do you think is the most likely?

Without a doubt, we know something they don’t…..well actually something you know too but can’t take to heart…the true meaning of American Exceptionalism

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firewoman, the math defeated you? How surprising.

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Paul

During “grandpa winter sleep away camp” this year we took Pop to several WWII museums and historical sights and they are all clamoring for P-38 to have on display. (Going to Oshkosh this summer to see one)

Funny, now, to see him nearly blind and talking about taking off from Papua heading into the darkness with the directions written on his hand
and having to navigate by the stars…..he misses the incredible independence of those times.

And yes, they were the greatest generation.

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Truthpaste

March 29th, 2011
12:47 pm
Folks like Aquagirl, AmVet and Granny stand to loose most if the illegals are gone. Their breath stinks with hypocrisy.

You are mistaken, but the new name du jour is minty fresh

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