Federal inaction on immigration lets issue fester
Georgia legislators sponsoring anti-immigrant bills say they have been forced to act by frustration with the federal government, which they believe has been unwilling to address illegal immigration issues.
Unfortunately, those legislators have a point, at least about the federal government’s failure to act. In fact, they have every right to be frustrated, even if the solutions they propose to fill the void left by federal inaction are unworkable.
Thanks to a combination of cowardice and political opportunism, Congress has indeed abdicated its duty to deal with tough immigration issues. The few steps it has taken in recent years — such as efforts to tighten border security — have been little more than useless if expensive window dressing.
Certainly, our border with Mexico needs to be tightened as much as possible. In practical terms, however, a boundary more than 2,000 miles long through mainly undeveloped areas can never be made secure against people sufficiently motivated to cross it. That’s a fact.
It’s also a fact that at least 10 million illegal immigrants already live here, and at this point, most have every intention of staying. According to the 2010 Census, roughly 850,000 Hispanics live in Georgia, and by some estimates as many as half may be here illegally.
So what do we do about them?
That’s the question that elected officials at the federal level refuse to address. That’s the vacuum that state legislators such as Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, and Sen. Jack Murphy, R-Cumming, claim to be trying to fill. And it is really the crux of the whole illegal immigration debate. With the economy in the tank and the flow of illegal immigrants greatly reduced, the real issue is how to deal with those already here.
There are two basic options: Either make those people go back where they came from, or they stay. Ramsey, Murphy and other conservative legislators prefer that they go back where they came from, and are trying to pass laws so punitive that they will leave on their own. (The option of tracking down, arresting and removing 10 million people, using law enforcement and the judicial system to sift the illegal from the legal, is understood by almost everybody to be hopeless.)
Personally, I have no faith that a policy of discouragement can work. Illegal immigrants have already proved themselves willing to endure great risk, sacrifice and hard work.
No matter how difficult we make things, no matter how inhumane or punitive we make our laws, most illegal immigrants are going to conclude that things are better for them and their children here than they would be back home. And if you think about it from their point of view, they’re right.
Changing that calculation would be very, very difficult.
The alternative, then, is to acknowledge the continuing presence of illegal immigrants while providing an avenue for them to leave the shadows and join the mainstream. That’s a step that only Congress can take — a step that it has so far refused to take, and that it shows no signs of taking in the foreseeable future.
Back in the ’80s, President Ronald Reagan supported legalization, explaining in a 1984 presidential debate that “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.” Thanks to his backing, Congress agreed.
A few years ago, President George W. Bush tried to convince members of his party to follow Reagan’s lead, but the effort failed. President Barack Obama has also expressed support for such a change, but with chances of passage almost non-existent, he has expended no political capital on its behalf.
As a result, we’re stuck with a choice between bad solutions and no solutions at all.
– Jay Bookman
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firewoman
March 29th, 2011
2:37 pm
“if your relatives are anything like you, I’m sure they’d love to blow some teenager’s brains out.”
Aquagirl, how old are you? 13? The drugs have already blown your brains out, sweetie!
Did you not see the meth commercials?
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
2:43 pm
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
2:25 pm
I’d favor letting Mexico take care of Mexicans. But since they’re fighting our Drug War on their soil, don’t look for that anytime soon. And expect more illegal immigrants fleeing the collapsing country- Aquagirl
Unbelievable. Aquagirl’s statement here hit a new level of anti-logic.
1)Letting Mexico take care of Mexicans? The reason Mexico lets their citizins run over here is precisely because Mexico can’t take care of its own people. Sheeesh! Where do people like Aquagirl come from?
2)Their fighting OUR drug war on THEIR soil. More ignorance endemic of the blame America first crowd. The drug lords and cartels are Mexican. That is why its being fought on Mexican ground dum dum. And its mostly various Mexican drug gangs killing each other.
3)And expect more illegal immigrants fleeing the collapsing country- Aquagirl
Um. Excuse me aquagirl. Didn’t you just say you were in favor of Mexico taking care of Mexicans yet now you are talking about a collapsing country???
Gwinnett
March 29th, 2011
2:43 pm
Let them commit a crime and deport them. Illegals are seven times more likely to committ a crime using a weapon than a caucasian, or check to make sure they are legal before we educate their children or give them a job or give them free health care.
Gwinnett is doing exactly that! Let them commit more crimes! That will look really good on an application for US citizenship!
John Birch
March 29th, 2011
2:44 pm
Some great ideas here, unfortunately the game is over and the illegals have already won. By 2050 America will be majority minority and by 2100 majority hispanic. The invasion is a success and the illegals will take over without every firing a shot. Maybe by 2100 global warming will have enough impact to make Canada habitable and we can just invade them!
Hypocrit (D)
March 29th, 2011
2:46 pm
John Birch (D) – and a delusional one at that!
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
2:49 pm
John Birch,
Imagine that. One day we could be a new version of Mexico- corrupt, backwards, 3rd world status, dirt freaking poor.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
2:55 pm
OK, Thulsa—help for your critical thinking skills. First, moving and deploying takes money and troops. Just what we need right now, another military commitment.
Two, you sign up to protect the country against enemies, not housekeepers and day laborers. And no, sucking down tax dollars is not equal to lobbing ICBM’s. (Oh, I’m sure this will provoke the screams.)
Three, Mexico can’t even defend their own internal territory, drug lords control sections of the country. I’m sure they’re committed to maintaining their parts of the fence.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
2:56 pm
Thulsa Doom — “Secondly send out a 100-200 man force throughout Georgia that does nothing but show up on job sites and check workers to verify that they are legal immigrants or U.S. citizens”
Mr. Doom, I would like to present you with a thought experiment.
Imagine that you are walking down the street. Suddenly you are accosted by one of these inspectors (or a cop or deputy sheriff; someone empowered to do what you’re suggesting) and you’re directed to verify your citizenship or work authorization on the spot.
Can you do it? You can only use what you have on your person (and in your briefcase or purse or backpack, as applicable).
Driver’s licenses and voter registration cards don’t count, as both are easily forged or fraudulently obtained. Birth certificates (I know, I just made the birthers start drooling) and passports would work.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
2:59 pm
…And yes, I blame Americans for consuming drugs that Mexico produces. Or do you want us to be the whining junkie who blames their pusher? There would be no drug war without the demand in this country. Duh.
Hypocrit (D)
March 29th, 2011
3:04 pm
And yes, I blame Americans for consuming drugs that Mexico produces. Or do you want us to be the whining junkie who blames their pusher? There would be no drug war without the demand in this country. Duh.
You mean like the woman in Gwinnett that blew her kids up in her meth house? I had no idea she was an “American”.
John Birch
March 29th, 2011
3:05 pm
The majority of Americans would like the governement to address the illegal alien problam but they don’t. Why? Because the illegals are not a problem for the privileged Americans who hold most federal offices. When you can afford private schools for your children and first rate health care and live in a gated community the illegals become a valuable source of cheap labor that doesn’t complain for fear of deportation.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
3:07 pm
I’m going to help you out some more Aquagirl
1)First, moving and deploying takes money and troops. Just what we need right now, another military commitment.
Well of course it costs money to move stuff. But we reap the benefits of those U.S. soldier’s paychecks being spnt over here and not Germany- a boom to our economy. Plus supplying those bases adds more money into OUR economy. Or did your mind not think about that? Um. Its not a military committment as in a war. Its moving troops from one base to another. Apparently your mind has problems distinguishing between war and being stationed somewhere as a deterrent- which is what they do in places like Germany anyway.
2)Two, you sign up to protect the country against enemies, not housekeepers and day laborers.
Wrong again aquagirl. You sign up for the military to protect the U.S. and that includes the borders of the U.S. And besides the mission of our military is whatever the govt or commander in chief decides it is. It doesn’t matter why a soldier signed up for. His feelings are irrelevant. When I signed up we were cleaning pots and pans and bathrooms in boot camp. Not what I envisioned when I signed up. So the hell what? Really dumb statement.
JKL2
March 29th, 2011
3:10 pm
aquagirl- Firewoman, I can’t argue with you there—if your relatives are anything like you, I’m sure they’d love to blow some teenager’s brains out.
How do you feel like policemen? You train them to do a job, hoping they never have to do it. Just be grateful people are willing to stand up and protect others like yourself.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
3:10 pm
Thulsa Doom: “You sign up for the military to protect the U.S. and that includes the borders of the U.S.”
IIRC, the oath I (and millions of other Americans) swore was to defend the people and the Constitution of the US from all threats, foreign and domestic. Respectfully, no mention was made of our national borders.
rwh
March 29th, 2011
3:11 pm
Migrating to America legally is, and should be, a long, drawn-out procedure
meant to protect the interests of American citizens. It involves more than
simply jumping a fence and heading north in pursuit of free health care,
education, food stamps, and other handouts paid for by U.S. taxpayers.
Legal immigration means enduring rigorous hurdles like background checks to
detect a criminal background or possible ties to terrorists; medical
examinations to detect diseases still prevalent in third-world nations, but
long since eradicated here; proof of financial solvency so as to prevent
newcomers from becoming a burden on U.S. taxpayers, and testing for
knowledge of American history and English skills.
Those who have jumped a fence into America in order to avoid our
immigration checks are not immigrants. Rather, they are invading criminals,
with no claim whatsoever to the welcome mat extended to legal immigrants
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
3:14 pm
Joe Mama,
I am in no way shape or form talking about stopping people on the street. I’m talking about going to an employer or employer worksite and asking the employer to provide documentation of their employees. County health departments go to restuarants all the time to inspect their restaurants. We don’t have a problem with this. And so we shouldn’t have a problem with an inspector coming to an employer workplace on spotchecks to verify random employees work eligibility.
I get asked for ID when I’m in a dept. store, bank, at a bar, at police DUI checkpoints, and at a number of other places that I probably haven’t even thought about. If they state can be required that I be asked for ID for a beer than why can’t they ask to verify if someone is legally working here which is a much more serious event than a 40 year old man buying a beer.
ann
March 29th, 2011
3:14 pm
They are not leaving. That is their decision. What is ours? Do we welcome law breakers, support them with free education, health care, subsidized housing, allow then to work off the books taking jobs from Americans who deserve a fair wage while they flaunt ATZLAN in our face and demand more rights? Where is the appreciation for all the Americans have given then. Any time we say no, we are considered bigots and racists. Probably the only 2 ENglsh words they know. NO effort to assimilate; they think we owe them. I have always been taught to take responsibility for my actions. 50 hispanics DUIs, no insurance and no license in my town in 3 weeks.How many people have to be killed before we wake up? They came here illegally, we owe them nothing. There is a legal way to come here and America takes more immigrants legally than the rest of the world combined on a yearly basis. We do not have the resources to take everyone in the world who wants to come here and we are turning away many people who can contribute because of the influx of illegals. Do we take in everyone from Darfur? Middle Eastern countries who kill their young women for being raped? Don’t talk to me about humanity. Where is the humanity for the Americans who follow the law? If you allow the illegals to stay, then every American is entitled to one law they can ignore.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 29th, 2011
3:15 pm
rwh
The three people I know who are most opposed to illegal immigration are all legal immigrants, themselves.
John Birch
March 29th, 2011
3:16 pm
“The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits members of the Army, and Air Force, from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.”
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
3:17 pm
Joe Mama,
I took the same oath and respectfully that is an absurd argument. You normally have very credible points but come on? Are you seriously going to say that our border is not part of our country? If so then why does the coast guard protect it as well as our waters miles out at sea? Our border is part of our country- every inch of it and the oath doesn’t specifically spell it out because it is self evident that our border is part of our country.
JKL2
March 29th, 2011
3:19 pm
aquagirl-
FYI: You swear(or affirm for athiest like yourself) to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
3:23 pm
Thulsa Doom: “I am in no way shape or form talking about stopping people on the street.”
I didn’t say you were. Please reread my questions and respond substantively, if you’d be so kind. I’m going somewhere else with this, not trying to play ‘gotcha.’
“I’m talking about going to an employer or employer worksite and asking the employer to provide documentation of their employees.”
I understand. Would you please reread my questions and respond substantively?
“County health departments go to restuarants all the time to inspect their restaurants. We don’t have a problem with this.”
Horse of a different color. Restaurants don’t have to carry ID or proof of citizenship because their facilities are being inspected for compliance with health regulations.
“And so we shouldn’t have a problem with an inspector coming to an employer workplace on spotchecks to verify random employees work eligibility.”
I didn’t say I had a problem with it, but I do want to outline something that I believe you have overlooked. Please reread my questions and respond substantively, if you don’t mind.
“I get asked for ID when I’m in a dept. store, bank, at a bar, at police DUI checkpoints, and at a number of other places that I probably haven’t even thought about.”
I understand. However, the bar for that sort of ID is a lot lower than the bar for proving citizenship. In fact, I sincerely doubt that more than one percent of Americans could, if you stopped them on the street or accosted them in their workplace, conclusively *prove* their citizenship or authorization to work in the US.
“If they state can be required that I be asked for ID for a beer than why can’t they ask to verify if someone is legally working here which is a much more serious event than a 40 year old man buying a beer.”
Sure it’s more serious; no argument there. That’s why it requires more proof than just whipping out a driver’s license. Respectfully, I think you may not know what’s involved in actually proving what you’d like for people to prove.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
3:24 pm
Thulsa, I’ll go with your helpful spirit of the day…
1) No, as far as money goes, deployments are pretty much the same. A gallon of gas doesn’t care if it’s used speeding through Iraq or Texas. You may spend more or less depending on the particular mission, but it still costs money.
2) If you didn’t know about the pots and pans and cleaning the latrines, you need to beat the crap out of your recruiter. If they’re still alive.
It does matter what a soldier thinks, especially when you’re shooting at unknown people in the desert. Ordering somebody to fire on a civilian who is unarmed? I’d never consider that a lawful order. There’s also the Posse Comitatus act.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
3:27 pm
And JLK, as I’ve already said, it’s hard to classify someone as an enemy combatant because they want to mow my lawn or pick vidalia onions.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
3:27 pm
Doom: “I took the same oath and respectfully that is an absurd argument.”
Respectfully, the argument is *yours.* You appeared to be arguing that the oath says something it doesn’t.
“You normally have very credible points but come on? Are you seriously going to say that our border is not part of our country?”
Come now; I said no such thing. You argued that the military swear to protect our borders; I contend that no such matter exists in the oath itself. Surely we can agree that that is not in the *oath* without disagreeing on the job of the military.
“If so then why does the coast guard protect it as well as our waters miles out at sea? Our border is part of our country- every inch of it and the oath doesn’t specifically spell it out because it is self evident that our border is part of our country.”
Yes, correct — it’s not in the oath. That’s all I was saying. Thank you for agreeing with that, Mr. Doom.
John Birch
March 29th, 2011
3:33 pm
“However, federal military forces have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of sovereign Southern states during Reconstruction and the confiscation of private firearms in the Katrina aftermath.[14] The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military forces to “execute the laws”; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to conventional law enforcement”
Sounds like we could use troops to round up illegals and/or protect the border as part of our homeland defense. It’s be quicker and a lot cheaper just to put a bounty on ‘em!
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
3:35 pm
Actually, the Coast Guard is specifically exempt from posse comitatus limitations that apply to the military.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
3:36 pm
“it’s hard to classify someone as an enemy combatant because they want to mow my lawn or pick vidalia onions.”
Don’t you mean because YOU want them to mow your lawn and pick your Vidalia onions for cheap?
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
3:37 pm
Aquagirl,
1)I’m not talking about gas. Where a soldier’s paycheck gets spent has a profound impact on the local economy- just a fact. Secondly various local contractors are paid to perform and supply all sorts of goods and services to local bases- from food supply to all manner of things. That’s money that would go to local merchants
2)I did know that I would be doing some menial point in the military. I knew that. You apparently did not when you made the ridiculous point that protecting the border is not what you think a soldier signed up for. What a soldier does or wants is irrelevant. What he is ordered to do is all that is relevant.
3) Ordering a soldier to fire on unarmed civilians? Who the hell said anything about that? Where and how and why did you come up with such a moronic hypothetical of soldiers being ordered to shoot unarmed civilians? So now you’ve made a gigantic leap to some nonsense about soldiers shooting civilians. Sheesh! Do you have any idea just how ridiculous that sounds? I see that you live in the land of loony hypotheticals of what if.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
3:39 pm
No, firewoman. I take care of my own stuff. I pay more for local produce when I can get it, so higher food prices are acceptable to me. Especially since I pay for those lawns and onions in taxes—I think we can both agree on that last point.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
3:39 pm
“There’s also the Posse Comitatus act.”
Do you double as John Birch on the blog as well, or would you like to credit him with your faux knowledge of the law?
md
March 29th, 2011
3:40 pm
“Washington (AP) – A high-level immigration official says it costs $12,500 to arrest, detain and deport each person removed from the U.S.”
Again……only part of the equation………..now what does it cost to let them stay??
And that doesn’t even cover the precedent being reinforced that it is OK to enter illegally….
You folks also think paying the pirate ransoms has reduced the number of attacks?
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
3:41 pm
Joe Mama,
I reread your post and I still don’t get what you’re itching at. I’m not talking about just stopping or infringing upon people’s civil rights. If that’s what your point is then I’m here to tell you that the police and border patrol seem to do a good job of finding out someone’s status without just blindly stopping people. I’m sure it can be done in a compliant manner without violating civil rights. Ya gotta tell me what point you want to make. I gotta get going very shortly.
catt11daddy
March 29th, 2011
3:43 pm
Enforce the immigration laws, (ICE in Atlanta,ga) we are at war with terroist and cartels, theres no justification for immigration laws not to be enforced,give police the auth.to question these illegals, send armed troops to our boarders and ports. Fine and jail employers that hire their criminal butts, and deportation isn’t a bad word, but,take your family with you.
Americans are tired of paying 92 billion a year to host criminals, no where else would this be allowed,to walk our streets with no ID or fake ID, get welfare, free health care, free education and other social services.These liberals ,and greedy businesses are allowing this country to be drained at the sake of its citizens, La Raza a radical Mexican group aim is to bring this country to its knees, and I hate to say it we are well on our way America to being on our knees if the citizens of this country don’t take a stand against this illegal invasion allowed by this goverment and elected representatives.
To Mr . Deal, I voted for you for one reason your stand on illegal immigration, I hope you don’t fall for the big farm lobby that get millions from the goverment to operate, and stand on your word, Georgians aren’t worried about the fall- out so you shouldn’t either.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
3:45 pm
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
3:27 pm
And JLK, as I’ve already said, it’s hard to classify someone as an enemy combatant because they want to mow my lawn or pick vidalia onions
Pay attention aquagirl. No one is pegging illegals as “enemy combatants”. That’s just heated rhetoric and absurd hyperbole that you guys came up with. We never said to treat them that way.
md
March 29th, 2011
3:47 pm
Aquagirl……still here and yet to answer………why are their rights greater than the rights of the folks they jumped????
And why do you advocate for them vs for the millions around the globe waiting patiently for their turn…..what kind of person turns their back on them??
Must be the out of sight out of mind mentality coming into play……….
Ed Weirdness
March 29th, 2011
3:51 pm
Like I said before, overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crumbling infrastructure, diminishing resources, vanishing farm land and green space, overcrowded schools, hospitals and jails, water and energy shortages, lack of affordable housing, crime, pollution, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, the balkanization of our communities, the marginalization of American workers, taxpayers, students, voters, the cost of lost opportunity for all, indeed; the overall decline in quality of life, are all the result of unconstrained immigration and lax enforcement. Like it or not, too many people competing for the same limited resources is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, sand, sustainable social, economic or environmental policy. Assertions that we cannot deport all the illegals we can identify ignore reality. The costs to sustain an enormous and growing population of illegal aliens will be infinite. However; the costs of deporting all we can apprehend would be reductive, as the population of illegals operating in our communities declines. Spread over a period of say 5 years, and factoring in the deterrent effect of strict enforcement policies and the attrition of those who simply ‘voluntarily go home’ as the jobs and benefits run out, enforcement with deportation offers the only responsible solution. Indeed, if one were to consider ‘asset forfeiture’ of both the illegals ‘ill-gotten gains’, as well as the ‘ill-gotten gains’ of their employers as a means of offsetting the taxpayers cost of identifying, incarcerating and deporting illegal aliens. Further considering the overall reduced costs to taxpayers by reducing the costs on our education, health care, and courts and jails that a declining population of illegals would represent, the actual costs of enforcement would be substantially less than many suggest, and would continue to decline from that point forward. In fact, enforcement of our immigration policies, while constraining employers to compete for legal American workers and legal immigrants would certainly have a stimulative impact on the economy, it might also create an unexpected stimulus as entrepreneurs exploit opportunities in identifying illegal aliens, processing and transporting them back to their native countries.
md
March 29th, 2011
3:51 pm
Why is it that Mexico requires law abiding US citizens to have and carry a passport, yet folks here balk when it is mentioned we do the same??
I’ve been stopped in numerous roadblocks and asked for license and registration………and some folks here want to complain that we are violating rights by asking for papers??
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
3:55 pm
Mr. Doom — I don’t have a problem with checking work authorizations and the like in the workplace. FWIW, my mother (before she retired) dealt a LOT with INS (now ICE) and my wife works in HR for a major retailer that’s headquartered here in the metro area. She also deals with ICE quite a bit.
The problem with checking work authorizations is that most of the time, the documents that are acceptable for employment are fairly easy to forge (or simply to get falsified versions), and most of them are not really the sort of things you’d carry around on you. And proving citizenship is even harder; unless you carry around a validated copy of your birth certificate and a US passport, you’re kinda screwed on that score.
All that adds up to a really hard row to hoe for any sort of workplace inspectors checking on workers’ authorization. This is what I’m getting at.
So here’s what usually happens, at least at my wife’s employer. They collect and copy the documents that the worker present in support of their I-9. No effort is made to validate the documents and none is required. My wife tells me she has no idea how her company would even go about doing that. Employment commences, based on those documents, but all new employees get their SSNs validated through SSA.
Once in a while, a number gets flagged by SSA. When that happens, the employee is called at their workplace, and they and their manager are told there’s an issue with their work documentation. The employee is instructed to clock out, go home, get the documents and bring them back the next day (there’s a fat fine for NOT making them do this). 99% of the time, the employee simply vanishes, never to return. The other 1% of the time, the employee brings the needed documents in, and the issue is addressed with SSA.
What I’m getting at is that verifying citizenship or work authorization *on the fly* is virtually impossible, given the system we currently have. Unless you’re going to recommend some sort of hi-security national ID card or something, I frankly don’t see how your suggestion (workplace spot checks) could be done in any sort of effective manner.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
4:00 pm
Thulsa, if they aren’t enemy combatants, why do you want to use the military? If no one is shooting out there, we could send all the unemployed teachers. Or better yet, the whole APS bunch; Beverly Hall, the entire school board, and cheating principals.
md, the only thing I’m advocating for is reality. “Deport ‘em all” is not part of reality. I do see illegal immigrants in a different light than many folks here. Many are poor, as in starving poor, and many don’t want their kids to starve or to be pressed into labor for a drug lord. Show me a parent who won’t steal for their starving child, and I’ll show you a monster. It’s hard to argue an abstract like the rule of law, however important it may be, to somebody like that. They aren’t going to listen. Our government hasn’t punished employers who have encouraged illegal immigrants. Thousands of guns go south from our country to fuel the drug war. If we can’t stop guns, why do we think Mexico can stop their people?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
March 29th, 2011
4:01 pm
Increase the border patrol and add reservists to the problam and add more patrols to the border.
NO brainer, I’d much rather my taxes go to that than some worthless welfare, section 8 housing or long term unemployed (2 years) lowlife. Make it tougher so the dead beats will find a job, ANY job, and get OFF the State/Federal tit.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 29th, 2011
4:06 pm
@Aquagirl
Your main issue is that you don’t understand that it’s not America’s job to take support the entire world. Sure, there are horrible stories of poverty all over the world, you keep mentioning that people aren’t facing reality, you are not facing the reality that one country can’t support the entire world. It’s sad and I wish we could but that is not reality, as you say…
md
March 29th, 2011
4:13 pm
“And proving citizenship is even harder; unless you carry around a validated copy of your birth certificate and a US passport, you’re kinda screwed on that score.”
I carry a passport card in my wallet……..right under my drivers license……….so not as hard as one might think.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
4:13 pm
“I do see illegal immigrants in a different light than many folks here. Many are poor, as in starving poor, and many don’t want their kids to starve or to be pressed into labor for a drug lord. Show me a parent who won’t steal for their starving child, and I’ll show you a monster.”
Aquagirl, I really feel pity for you. You show more compassion for those that have stolen from you and your fellow Americans than you have shown for anyone than opposes illegal immigration. YOU are the monster!
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
4:14 pm
md,
I’ve traveled extensively in Central America. Ironic isn’t it. When we travel there we come upon road blocks with police with machine guns who want our documentation and yet if ask the same of them we are somehow bigots, racists, etc.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
4:17 pm
“Our government hasn’t punished employers who have encouraged illegal immigrants.”
Blah, blah, blah! And why would they punish American citizens when they won’t even punish the illegals that broke the law to begin with?
md
March 29th, 2011
4:19 pm
“I do see illegal immigrants in a different light than many folks here. Many are poor, as in starving poor, and many don’t want their kids to starve or to be pressed into labor for a drug lord.”
And what you don’t seem to see is that same family all around the globe trying to get here too………folks like you don’t seem to care much for their plight.
You seem to have the survival of the fittest mentality……those that can get here first……win. To heck with those poor starving families that don’t live close enough to our borders to play the same game…………..
Yes, they are poor, and yes, they are doing what they can for their families……but doing so at the expense of an equally deserving family is hardly the answer………..
For every family you feel sorry for, there are xx times that around the globe that will NEVER get the chance…….
Google the gumball video……….telling folks the answer is to trample their neighbor to get here is not the appropriate way.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
@firewoman
Don’t you understand liberals are much more concerned about foreigners than their own fellow Americans??
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
4:00 pm
Thulsa, if they aren’t enemy combatants, why do you want to use the military?- Aquagirl
Aquagirl,
When there is a natural disaster govts such as ours and Japan’s in the wake of their recent earthquake send out troops to help with order and provide humanitarian relief. You are making an incorrect assumption that if troops are called that it is to treat people as enemy combatants.
Do UN troops treat people as enemy combatants when they are dispatched to keep peace? No.
Do the Jap. troops dispatched in the aftermath of the quake treat their people as “enemy combatants”. No.
And if we dispatch our military it is for the purpose of acting as a deterrent and stopping the immigration flow. It is not to treat them as “enemy combatants” and shoot them. Nobody wants that.
md
March 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
“When we travel there we come upon road blocks with police with machine guns who want our documentation and yet if ask the same of them we are somehow bigots, racists, etc.”
It is nothing but an excuse used to justify a position………….
Much like the definition of an embryo to justify getting rid of a mistake……………..
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
4:25 pm
md: “I carry a passport card in my wallet……..right under my drivers license……….so not as hard as one might think.”
As I said, *unless you do,* (which you’re doing right now) you’re kinda screwed on that score. You’re the exception that proves the rule, it would seem.
Besides, a lot of folks simply don’t have passports, and they’d have to go to some trouble and expense to get one. I’m guessing that the people who don’t like the idea of being ‘forced’ to buy health coverage also wouldn’t care for the notion of being forced to pay for a government document (and to possibly take time off from work to get it) simply in order to be able to prove that they were citizens and therefore authorized to work in the US.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
4:28 pm
Aquagirl,
I think Woodstock Mike hit the nail on the head. Its not our job to become the haven of every Mexican who is poor. 90% of the world is poor relative to us. But does that mean we can up and invite the whole world to come and live here. No. We can’t.
By having all these illegals come here we’re also enabling Mexico from facing its own problems such as rampant corruption and cleaning up its own mess.
We’re broke in case you haven’t noticed and we can’t afford to take on masses of poor people who are draining us of even more money in the social services they use up- not to mention the burden they place on our criminal justice and education systems. Enough is enough.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
4:35 pm
“Don’t you understand liberals are much more concerned about foreigners than their own fellow Americans??”
@ WOODSTOCK MIKE – That sad reality is starting to sink in with me. One of my favorite jabs at liberals, as seen here on the AJC blogs … the liberal mantra: love thy enemy, hate they neighbor.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
4:38 pm
woodstock mike and everybody else: I don’t think we should be supporting the world. It’s not our job. But I do understand how people living in extreme poverty aren’t going to play by the rules. You can scream and pitch tantrums all you want, but it’s not going to solve the problem. Deporting the masses isn’t going to work. Cutting off the jobs would be a much better fix, but if you think our current politicians are really doing anything, they’re doing a good job of pandering to your bitterness, and that’s it. They aren’t gonna get rid of illegal aliens—look at the bill in the GA legislature, it’s completely toothless. The Governor went belly up when businesses complained. There will be some photo-ops like the girl from Kennesaw State being deported, and y’all will jump around and holler with satisfaction, like they’ve accomplished anything beyond a symbolic gesture to appease angry people. Then they’ll go quail hunting with the CEO’s who hire illegal aliens.
The main objective is not indulging my anger over being drained by illegals. I prefer solutions.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
4:44 pm
Joe Mama at 3:55,
I read your post and I see what you’re saying.But what I’m saying is that in this day and age there is no way in hell that we shouldn’t be able to identify someone quickly. For example everyone I know can be identified quickly by their driver’s license. How is it that the police and state can’t do this but the soc sec system can’t.
What I’m talking about is the soc sec system should be updated to where someone’s work or residency status can be verified instantly just like with driver’s licenses. It would cut down immensely on identity fraud and on employing illegals- the problem of hiring illegals could be solved literally overnight if we could instantly verify real ss numbers vs fraudulent ones. This is what I’m really getting at is validating if a ss # is real or not. Instead of that info coming back to your wife 2 months after the employee has been there why can’t it be done in a day or a week at most?
I’ll give you a great example. I know a guy who worked as a supervisor at a south Georgia sawmill. They eventually ran off all the white and black employees in favor of low wage illegals. Every 2 months the illegals all leave work for a day because every single one of their soc sec cards comes back as being non-existent. So what do they do? They report the next day with new fake ss cards. 2 months later the whole cycle is repeated all over again.
Meanwhile they all put down like 15 depedent so that no tax is being taken out other than FICA. So now Uncle Sam is being ripped off as well as the state of Georgia.
Its ridiculous and there is no way in hell that in this day and age that we shouldn’t be able to verify legit ss #s on the spot. And as for the employer they should be required to take a photo of each person that applies so that if a social comes back as being illegit then they don’t keep hiring the same person over and over with different ss #s because they then know that that person is illegal.
So yeah I do understand its hard for the employer to know what documentation is real and not real but if they keep some sort of photo id on file for 5 years of applicants whose ss #s came back fraudulent then they can’t keep saying they didn’t know who this person is.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
4:47 pm
I know this will infuriate the libertarians and tea party adherents here (and probably any apocalyptic christian folks), but IMO a much more cost-effective and sure solution is to come up with some sort of hi-security nigh-uncopyable national ID card.
You want to work? Show your card and let the employer run it through the national database before you start work. If it checks out, get on the job. If it doesn’t, no job for you.
Couple that with a national guest worker program so that *some* unskilled or semi-skilled workers can come here (the business lobby will squeal like a stuck pig if they don’t get this), and ensure that guest workers, H1Bs and the like can get the same sort of cards (but only good on a temporary basis).
Levy harsh penalties, including jail time, for employers who hire or employ people without the authorization card after a date certain, and make examples of a few executives by throwing them in jail. The illegosos will get the message and go elsewhere, and the shady employers will get the message and stop hiring them under the table.
Don’t spend a heap of money with a brute-force approach (like mass roundups, incarcerations and deportations) that will still leave holes for people to slip through. Use a cost-effective approach like this that makes employers not want to hire illegals and that makes illegals unemployable.
JDK
March 29th, 2011
4:50 pm
“Deport ‘em all” is not part of reality”
Well giving them amnesty and allowing them to stay is certainly not a reality either. Are you libs that far off into space that you don’t see what is happening to your own country? More and more Americans citizens are speaking out against illegal immigration.
Personally, I have talked to many legal immigrants who are now US citizens and encouraged them to speak out. They are admitting in greater numbers that they have they most to loose by ignoring that we have an illegal immigration problem. Heck, many of these same legal immigrant citizens admit that immigration as a whole needs to be curbed until our federal government can get it’s act together on many levels. We are not just talking about Mexico either, were talking back door political promises our government has made with many countries around the World.
This is not your grandparent’s Ellis Island immigration days of old.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
4:51 pm
Look out Thulsa—the Rapture-Ready crowd will accuse you of being in league with the devil. Because checking somebody’s SSN is just like having 666 plastered on your forehead. Or something.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
4:52 pm
See there, Mr. Doom? Great minds think alike.
And they say conservatives and liberals can’t find common ground.
In the case of your friend at the sawmill, I think that’s a perfect example of *knowingly* hiring illegals, and he (and employers like him) are the reason that illegosos are coming here in the first place. Under the Joe Mama ID system, your friend will either stop hiring illegals toot sweet or else spend some time at the Holiday Inn With Bars.
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
4:54 pm
Oh, Joe’s taken the Mark of the Beast too. Jesus is gonna toss you into the fiery lake.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
4:56 pm
Aquagirl,
I would have no problem with that. Its the same principle as the driver’s license is on the state level.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
4:56 pm
Aquagirl, if I were a christian, I might actually worry about that. But since I’m not, I won’t.
As my wife tells the firebreathers, “It’s *your* hell; *you* go there.”
Kamchak
March 29th, 2011
4:57 pm
Well giving them amnesty and allowing them to stay is certainly not a reality either.
It was good enough for St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun in 1986.
Why are you whinging now?
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
4:58 pm
“I know this will infuriate the libertarians and tea party adherents here (and probably any apocalyptic christian folks)”
Joe Mama, I will bring it down to your level (ie schoolyard bully) … sticks and stones, little coward, stick and stones.
md
March 29th, 2011
5:00 pm
“t was good enough for St. Ronnie of the Ray-Gun in 1986.”
Not entirely……….there was accompanying legislation that Congress never bothered to follow through on……..hence the compounded problem now.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
5:02 pm
The libs are running out of fire so they are bringing the evangelical christian label out and just when the word racist has lost it’s luster …
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
5:02 pm
Firewoman: “Joe Mama, I will bring it down to your level (ie schoolyard bully) … sticks and stones, little coward, stick and stones.”
No coward here, ma’am — just calling it like I see it. You’re certainly free to disagree with me to your heart’s content.
I fail to see how one can be ‘bullied’ on an internet forum; if you feel I have done so to you, I apologize, but I will not retract or amend my comment.
Somehow, I do not believe that you and I will be able to have a fruitful or a polite discussion, so I shall simply conclude by saying ‘have a nice day, Firewoman.’
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
5:03 pm
Saying someone is libertarian, tea party adherent, or Christian apocalyptic is name-calling? What’s the PC name for any of those people? I wouldn’t want to offend them, y’know.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
5:03 pm
Joe Mama,
OK I would agree with everything on your 4:47 post. And if people squeal about a national ID card then just update the soc sec system to where real vs fake ss #s can be verified instantly. Problem solved. And yes throw some execs in jail to make an example.
I’m in favor of the guest worker program also. I would just like to see some sort of provision that gives Americans preference first in work over an illegal. Something that you have to hire an American who is equally qualified for the same job over an illegal. I’ve seen too many blue collar jobs that used to go to poor or lower middle class blacks and whites get taken by illegals that are willing to work for much lower wages and live 20 people to a house.
Looks like we just solved the whole problem Joe Mama with a bi-partisan approach. There is just one problem with the whole thing. It makes too much sense and is doomed for that reason alone. We gave it a nice try though.
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
5:07 pm
“You can scream and pitch tantrums all you want, but it’s not going to solve the problem.”
The only folks I’ve seen of late throwing temper tantrums was last Thursday in front of the state legislature. I just think the illegals had an allergic bad reaction to the high pollen count that day!
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
5:08 pm
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
5:03 pm
Saying someone is libertarian, tea party adherent, or Christian apocalyptic is name-calling? What’s the PC name for any of those people? I wouldn’t want to offend them, y’know.
You’re right aquagirl
Libertarian- someone who believes in individual freedom and liberty with little govt meddling. I would hate to be called one of them.
Tea party adherent- Someone who thinks govt has gotten too big, too outta hand with taxes, I guess they’re just bad people too.
Christians who believe in a God and the apocalypse and what the bible says about it- just another bad name for people who believe in the infinity of a good God. I’ld hate to be called one of them. Didn’t you know- its the abortionists who are the really good people on Earth.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
5:11 pm
Thulsa Doom — “I’m in favor of the guest worker program also. I would just like to see some sort of provision that gives Americans preference first in work over an illegal. Something that you have to hire an American who is equally qualified for the same job over an illegal. I’ve seen too many blue collar jobs that used to go to poor or lower middle class blacks and whites get taken by illegals that are willing to work for much lower wages and live 20 people to a house.’
My wife used to be an IT recruiter back during the dot-com boom, and she saw all kinds of tricks used by employers to get H1B visa authorizations. They’d advertise a job opening with a *laundry list* of qualifications that no human could ever have, and for some incredibly low salary that no American would possibly take. When the ‘position’ went unfilled for several months, they’d to go INS, get their H1B authorization and then *rewrite* the job for what they *really* wanted in the first place, and then bring some clueless Indian kid over to work for half of what an American would demand. She (and I) saw it over and over back then. So IMO, you’d need some sort of mechanism to curb that abuse of the system, because I firmly believe that American businesses would keep those kinds of shenanigans up.
I definitely have no problem with some sort of ‘hire an American first’ provision; I’m just not sure how it could be done. Maybe you have ideas on that score?
“Looks like we just solved the whole problem Joe Mama with a bi-partisan approach. There is just one problem with the whole thing. It makes too much sense and is doomed for that reason alone. We gave it a nice try though.”
Here’s our campaign slogan: Doom/Mama 2012 — You Could Do Worse
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
5:13 pm
“Somehow, I do not believe that you and I will be able to have a fruitful or a polite discussion, so I shall simply conclude by saying ‘have a nice day, Firewoman.”
I don’t recall any of your opinions, expressed thus far, as being fruitful or polite. What’s stopping you now?
Aquagirl
March 29th, 2011
5:14 pm
…which is why I’m mystified, Thulsa. Calling someone a butthead is name-calling. Calling them a libertarian seems like a neutral descriptive to me.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
5:15 pm
You have a nice day, Firewoman.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
5:19 pm
Joe Mama,
I’ve seen the same crap also in IT. My best friend is a systems analyst in B’ham. I know most of the computer programmers that work under him. Its weird but his co. would bring in 5-10 Indians at a time to train and work for a month or 2 at the corporate office and then send them back to India. Then like clockwork 5-10 programmers would get laid off. Trade off a 50-60k programmer for an equally good Indian programmer at $7 an hour. It sucks for them.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
5:22 pm
Joe Mama,
I’m not sure exactly on a hire American first provision but from various studies I’ve seen that illegal immigration has hurt our poorest, most unskilled labor force by forcing labor costs down 15-20% depending on what study. Not sure how to implement or if it could be implemented but that is why I would like to see an American first provision to help lower skilled American workers.
tamika
March 29th, 2011
5:23 pm
you know i am sick of you people trying to make white conservs look like evangelicals. we evangelicals are black and there are lots of us. i know lots of people that go to my church are in the tea party and we can not be racist against ourselves. lationos are more white than black and we dont really view the hispanics as equal to any of us. they just cannot be here anymore
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
5:23 pm
Mr. Doom, the crowning moment came when I came across a contract opening at the Department of Defense. One of the requirements was three years of experience with a software package that had only been released *six months before.*
I made a mental note never to work with the contractor that was advertising that position. I kinda wanted the position; I was interested in the work and I thought it would be a kick to work at the Pentagon for a while (plus, one of my former OICs was posted to the Pentagon at the time), but I wasn’t interested in working for a company that was so obviously trying to jerk the H1B system around. I really didn’t think I’d get a fair shake from them if I pursued the job.
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
5:23 pm
I’m out. Ya’ll have a nice day.
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
5:24 pm
Thulsa Doom — “various studies I’ve seen that illegal immigration has hurt our poorest, most unskilled labor force by forcing labor costs down 15-20% depending on what study. Not sure how to implement or if it could be implemented but that is why I would like to see an American first provision to help lower skilled American workers.”
This. +100
firewoman
March 29th, 2011
5:24 pm
The day is over, sweetie. Good evening to you!
Thulsa Doom
March 29th, 2011
5:27 pm
Joe Mama,
That was probably a wise choice avoiding that employer. My brother is a lieut colonel in the Army who worked at the Pentagon. He thought it was pretty cool also. Now I’m really out.
Kamchak
March 29th, 2011
5:34 pm
fart
Brittanicus
March 29th, 2011
5:51 pm
Every prudent American should stand by those candidates, who are fighting for your sovereignty. By the tens of millions patriotic Americans and legal residents are joining the TEA PARTY, to halt the illegal immigration invasion. This has become a financially vicious circle that will not end, with either the deep entrenched Liberal-Democrats, Republicans or any political entity other than the committed TEA PARTY. The TEA PARTY is growing much faster from the dominant Republicans, and certain politicians are discarding there old parties to join this third party. Pro-sovereignty, anti-occupational organizations are connecting with their regional tea party. The Tea Party is secular in definition, non-partisan with open registration for all legal races, including ethnic majorities and minorities. The Tea Parties core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Market and a Strong National Security. We have great substance in the leadership who are fighting against the old, tired “Business as Usual” political hard liners, who will keep our taxes spiraling and mortgaging our grand children’s futures. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DOOMED BY THE POLICIES OF THE TEA PARTY
Joe Mama
March 29th, 2011
5:53 pm
This has been a paid political announcement by the Tea Party USA, INC.
Patent pending, batteries not included.
Pogo
March 29th, 2011
5:58 pm
GE made about 14 billion in profits last year but did not pay 1 cent in taxes. In fact, they were paid back. Write about that Jay.
Pogo
March 29th, 2011
6:13 pm
The answer to the immigration problem is to prosecute those buseiness that hire them and to deny illegals access to government services which are paid for by legal, citizen taxpayer funded money. No, I am not talking about sales taxes. I am talking about SSN taxes, medicare taxes, property taxes and income taxes. If illegals don’t have access to the programs that these taxes pay for, they won’t come here anymore. Either that or they will go through the legal immigration channels under existing immigration laws to become certified citizens. There is nothing wrong immigration if they do so under the laws of our country. Right now we have nothing but a burgeoning dependent class on our hands. That is why they want to come here because they know they can take advantage of everything being a citizen of the US entails without having to pay the price.
Independent
March 29th, 2011
6:41 pm
If you all will take your Social Security card out from wherever it is stored and look at it, you will see a line on which you have signed your name. If you examine that line closely, you will see that it is actually composed of very tiny letters closely spaced. I doubt that the fake SS cards have this. But no business is required even to check to see if that little detail is there. E-verify! E-verify! E-verify!
TruthBe
March 29th, 2011
6:43 pm
Dear Normal, there isn’t any “good democrats”. Just corrupt career perverted politicans without any morals.
Independent
March 29th, 2011
6:46 pm
And for those of you who say that illegals claim 15 deductions so no tax is taken out of their paycheck – so where is the IRS when they either file their taxes and have underpaid, or don’t file their taxes and there is no match so the IRS shows up at their employer’s door to look for them? Do these people leave their employment every year? Where is the IRS, huh? Where also was the IRS when last year those good American fishermen in Lousiana couldn’t document their income to BP for reimbursement because they had been paid “under the table”, what many claim is done with illegal immigrants? We complain about not having enough money for the government but we don’t go after tax cheats?
Lancer
March 29th, 2011
9:43 pm
“Ramsey, Murphy and other conservative legislators prefer that they go back where they came from…”
Tongue in cheek, but not completely: let’s cut a deal with Mexico to temporarily merge our two countries for, say, 90 days. Call it the United States of Meximerica or some such. Voila, all the border jumpers who’re here illegally are automatically “back where they came from”, then after 90 days they’re automatically back in as full fledged Americanos. Ariba, ariba!
catt11daddy
March 29th, 2011
9:45 pm
hey, America is broke, them coming here ain’t helping the picture, sorry to here there country is in strife, cartels, terroist, proverty,do like the rest of the world is doing take your country back instead of carrying all that s..t here, if we Americans don’t watch it this country will be a 3rd world country soon.
America has enough labors, we met our quota back in 1996, go to China they have the money.
catt11daddy
March 29th, 2011
10:51 pm
Amnesty for 12 -20 million illegals, add another 40 million because we’ll have every laborer in South America up here, our boarders are open , my question is Obama Care ,who is going to pay for an added 20 million criminals?
Second , illegals have more rights than Americans do , get caught with a fake ID , fox 5 Atlanta,ga Randy Travis showed 25 illegals working on a contract for city of atlanta stimlus funded with fake ID and nothing is done ,where is ICE? or Mayor Reed? , in Calif.10 illegals dressed up in military uniforms with the name tag Perez on all the uniforms, driving a van with a stolen goverment tag headed toward San Diego stopped by Boarder Agents.They were sent back to Mexico, and uniforms taken.See if the fed.’s will just spank your hand and send you home.
Hell, no how about forgery, impersonating a goverment personal,theft,ect. by the time fed’s got done you’d have 40 charges and facing 30 years on each count.
Whats wrong America, have we become too politically correct or compassionate, or just fools while this country is being drained?
misterbill
March 29th, 2011
11:21 pm
paul,
I know that you are right about the felonies. I am confident that these kids would have a better chance if there were not a half million, (FAIR US est.), Invaders working in our state. At one point , new home construction, road building crews, supermarkets and restaurants all gave our young ones a second chance. I don’t remember exactly when but the supers started background checking and –pow–killed it for a lot of them. Restaurants pay off the books and get slave labor.
And the worst –government projects allow companies who hire the illegals to get the contracts and staff with and the Georgia Assoc of County Managers fights to keep immigration checking off the table.
Treason, by my standards.
misterbill
March 29th, 2011
11:25 pm
Independent–
the illegals are using real American SS numbers. Where have you been? On vacation, out of country??
Are you positing that the IRS functions differently than the census? Or the employers?
For those who argue that it is impossible to deport 10 million, I argue that it would be easier than trying to track them and all their lying and cheating.
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misterbill
March 29th, 2011
11:33 pm
Joe Mama
what you are talking about is Attrition through Enforcement. The problem is the Chamber of Congress and even public official group like the Ga County Managers Assoc. look the other way. It is all about bottom dollar and no regard for the American worker.
I read a supposed economics wizard arguing with another blogger on a blog site about Global Business and how it made American lives better via less expensive, shoes, clothes, etc. He cited WalMart as an example of how they had grown selling Chinese goods.
The other fellow who was not an economist suggested that was good up until te point where so many people in America were unemployed that they didn’t have the money to cash in on this great–offshoring manufacturing- comparative advantage theory.
So the net is== illegals take the jobs, buy the foreign made goods and Americans sit home and die. without jobs and unemployment pay..
misterbill
March 29th, 2011
11:39 pm
I served in the military. I am too old now, but , in spite of that, I would go if my country asked me. I m having doubts about who would ask me to go though and why they would ask me.
Perhaps to get rid of me and make more room for illegals?????
These invaders are here for themselves. You cannot blame them. The ones to blame are their employers, the same ones who import labor and send our manufacturing jobs overseas.
An and anecdote about allowing them to serve in our military , yet felons cannot—–
In ancient Rome , two Senators were discussing the large number of slaves in Rome. One suggested to the other, “perhaps we should make them wear armbands to recognize them.” The other Senator replied, “When they see how many of them there are, they will take over Rome in a day.”
Be cautious , my fellow Americans.
Joel Wischkaemper
March 30th, 2011
12:26 am
The illegal aliens are out in force telling all that the sky will be falling if we deport the illegal aliens. Actually, we will save a lot of money and significantly reduce crime. Napolitano suggested that without all those squealers in the illegal alien community, the world would be a lot worse. We are paying them an outrageous amount of money for welfare, and if they are gone… we will save a bundle. Not a whole lot of people seem to understand Americans always did those jobs the illegal aliens stole. They earned a living wage, and the illegal aliens are not. The employers do like those illegal aliens and I believe you can tell there are more than just a couple on this board.
They are going. Growers can find something else to grow for a change. That will be good for the country and good for the people so lets get an I.D. in place and E-Verify humming along. THAT will put a smile on everyone face.