Federal inaction on immigration lets issue fester

Georgia legislators sponsoring anti-immigrant bills say they have been forced to act by frustration with the federal government, which they believe has been unwilling to address illegal immigration issues.

Unfortunately, those legislators have a point, at least about the federal government’s failure to act. In fact, they have every right to be frustrated, even if the solutions they propose to fill the void left by federal inaction are unworkable.

Thanks to a combination of cowardice and political opportunism, Congress has indeed abdicated its duty to deal with tough immigration issues. The few steps it has taken in recent years — such as efforts to tighten border security — have been little more than useless if expensive window dressing.

Certainly, our border with Mexico needs to be tightened as much as possible. In practical terms, however, a boundary more than 2,000 miles long through mainly undeveloped areas can never be made secure against people sufficiently motivated to cross it. That’s a fact.

It’s also a fact that at least 10 million illegal immigrants already live here, and at this point, most have every intention of staying. According to the 2010 Census, roughly 850,000 Hispanics live in Georgia, and by some estimates as many as half may be here illegally.

So what do we do about them?

That’s the question that elected officials at the federal level refuse to address. That’s the vacuum that state legislators such as Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, and Sen. Jack Murphy, R-Cumming, claim to be trying to fill. And it is really the crux of the whole illegal immigration debate. With the economy in the tank and the flow of illegal immigrants greatly reduced, the real issue is how to deal with those already here.

There are two basic options: Either make those people go back where they came from, or they stay. Ramsey, Murphy and other conservative legislators prefer that they go back where they came from, and are trying to pass laws so punitive that they will leave on their own. (The option of tracking down, arresting and removing 10 million people, using law enforcement and the judicial system to sift the illegal from the legal, is understood by almost everybody to be hopeless.)

Personally, I have no faith that a policy of discouragement can work. Illegal immigrants have already proved themselves willing to endure great risk, sacrifice and hard work.

No matter how difficult we make things, no matter how inhumane or punitive we make our laws, most illegal immigrants are going to conclude that things are better for them and their children here than they would be back home. And if you think about it from their point of view, they’re right.

Changing that calculation would be very, very difficult.

The alternative, then, is to acknowledge the continuing presence of illegal immigrants while providing an avenue for them to leave the shadows and join the mainstream. That’s a step that only Congress can take — a step that it has so far refused to take, and that it shows no signs of taking in the foreseeable future.

Back in the ’80s, President Ronald Reagan supported legalization, explaining in a 1984 presidential debate that “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.” Thanks to his backing, Congress agreed.

A few years ago, President George W. Bush tried to convince members of his party to follow Reagan’s lead, but the effort failed. President Barack Obama has also expressed support for such a change, but with chances of passage almost non-existent, he has expended no political capital on its behalf.

As a result, we’re stuck with a choice between bad solutions and no solutions at all.

– Jay Bookman

710 comments Add your comment

Normal

March 29th, 2011
8:47 am

I say make ‘em legal and let them all become good Democrats… :lol:

carlosgvv

March 29th, 2011
8:48 am

“we’re stuck with a choice between bad solutions and no solutions”

What we’re stuck with is well over 10 million illegals who never should have been allowed to stay here. No other country in the world allows this many illegals to enter and stay. To make matters worse, any attemps to enforce the law bring howls of protest and lawsuits. This is just another nail in the coffin of the great country America once was.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
8:49 am

“No other country in the world allows this many illegals to enter and stay.”

Quite right…because most other countries that are dependent on some level of immigrant labor deal with it by having things like “guest worker” programs so they can enter and leave the country LEGALLY and still be able to work.

Jay

March 29th, 2011
8:50 am

so Carlos, how do you propose we find and remove them?

Normal

March 29th, 2011
8:52 am

We are supposed to be “The Great Molting Pot”. Whatever happened to that?

Or…Make them legal and have to pay income tax…after a few years of that, they’ll want to go back on their own.

Aquagirl

March 29th, 2011
8:53 am

Let’s see how many comments include “ship them all home!” and “secure the border!” Pointing out this is impossible never helps.

JKL2

March 29th, 2011
8:54 am

Georgia legislators sponsoring anti-immigrant bills say they have been forced to act by frustration with the federal government, which they believe has been unwilling to address illegal immigration issues.

I see veins popper out of Eric Holder’s forehead…

Maybe he should just file a preemptive lawsuit against every state?

ty webb

March 29th, 2011
8:54 am

“Georgia legislators sponsoring anti-immigrant bills…”

ah yes…”anti-immigration” and jay managed to type this and wave his pom poms at the same time. If you ask her Jay, I’m sure granny Godzilla will let you use the “GOP’s war on jobs” meme(you may have to clear with media matters for trademarking purposes)as a rallying cry in your next blog topic.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 29th, 2011
8:57 am

Well, we got maybe 50 million rednecks in this country and every one of them owns a pickup truck. We only need about 3 million of them and some gas money to haul the illegals to the border and dump them over. We could keep maybe half a million rednecks on standby at jails to take care of the few that get brung in after the Great Haul. Problem solved.

NEXT PROBLEM!

ty webb

March 29th, 2011
8:59 am

…and kudos to obama for decreasing the number of illegals coming across the border…funny how Jay never refers to him as “anti-immigrant”.

cosby smith

March 29th, 2011
9:00 am

Jay, you are on this one..there has been no action by the Feds for years. Regan provided the first amnisty and we are right back there. Obama has even taken inaction to a new level…suing Arizona who is attempting to do Obama’s job by protecting the boarders of the USA. Illegals are costing billions to the taxpayers and those jerks in DC take no action. But then, if you are Obama and the Dems you are looking for votes.

Bosch

March 29th, 2011
9:00 am

We all should know by now after what, 25 years of this, that the government has absolutely no intention of doing anything about this. It’s much more fun just to gripe and bitch about it and let the xenophobes stomp their feet — face it bigots, nothing is going to be done to the scale you want.

Peadawg

March 29th, 2011
9:00 am

“I say make ‘em legal and let them all become good Democrats… ”

I hope you’re joking…what’s pathetic is some people actually think that’s a good option.

Aquagirl

March 29th, 2011
9:01 am

At last! A workable plan! I propose appointing Redneck Convert as ICE Czar.

Peadawg

March 29th, 2011
9:01 am

zenophobe and bigot in the same post…i’m impressed, Bosch. :roll:

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:02 am

“Regan provided the first amnisty and we are right back there”

That’s mostly because Congress never funded the enforcement portions of that bill that gave amnesty.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:02 am

(sorry off topic) Councilman CT Martin stinks.

Granny Godzilla

March 29th, 2011
9:03 am

“I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.”

Ronald Reagan

Thank God! When my ancestor left Sweden during the time of the Great Northern War…..he didn’t do it exactly legally….I admit it…I am an anchor great great great great grandbaby….course we are mostly blonde haired and blue eyed….so I guess it does not matter too much

carlosgvv

March 29th, 2011
9:04 am

Jay, there is a thing in this country known as law enforcement. If they were given the mandate, I believe they could find and deport most of the illegals here. Naturally, I hope you don’t think our law enforcement agencies are too incompentent to do this. As for cost, make the countries they originally came from pay by witholding their foreign aid if they don’t.

DebbieDoRight

March 29th, 2011
9:04 am

Dubya had a good idea concerning immigration – however the cry from his side of the aisle against it was deafening.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:05 am

“how do you propose we find and remove them?”

body implanted computer chips.

kidding.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:06 am

“Dubya had a good idea concerning immigration – however the cry from his side of the aisle against it was deafening”

AMEN to that, it was one of the few things I agreed with him on.

Bosch

March 29th, 2011
9:07 am

“what’s pathetic is some people actually think that’s a good option.”

Like who Peadawg, or is that just conjecture on your part?

jm,

Jay did a thread on that once as a joke.

Bosch

March 29th, 2011
9:07 am

“zenophobe and bigot in the same post…i’m impressed, Bosch”

Why Peadawg, because you can relate to those so well?

Bosch

March 29th, 2011
9:09 am

“I believe they could find and deport most of the illegals here”

carlos,

And are you willing to pay for that?

Mr_B

March 29th, 2011
9:10 am

Doggone: And the fact that US immigration policy makes it next to impossible to get here legally from Central America. What never happened after the Reagan amnesty was the guest-worker program. Guest workers have to be accounted for and taxes paid on their wages. No percentage in that for anybody.

Mary Elizabeth

March 29th, 2011
9:10 am

“Ramsey, Murphy and other conservative legislators prefer that they go back where they came from, and are trying to pass laws so punitive that they will leave on their own.”

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The expected thinking of those who have lived their lives in a state which, for generations, supported slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation.

Perhaps one day, in the near future, the drive for humanity will weigh more heavily in the conscience of those in power than the drive for political acceptance.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:11 am

“how do you propose we find and remove them?”

National Reconnaissance Office + Predator Drones?

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:11 am

Bosch 9:07 – yeah I know. The legislature…..

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:12 am

Mr=B – yes, all of that too…except there is an advantage for one group of people: the workers. But, hey! We can’t inconvenience our businesses, now can we?

arnold

March 29th, 2011
9:15 am

I think we should also deport anyone who’s forefathers were immigrants.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:17 am

Jay 8:03am “You mean Dennis Kucinich, all by his little lonesome self?”

Now let’s not excuse a nutjob’s rants here. We’re not going to do that for Herr Cain. Let’s not do it for any of the wingnuts….

Paul

March 29th, 2011
9:18 am

Key point: “most illegal immigrants are going to conclude that things are better for them and their children here than they would be back home.”

The legislators are making a mistake – doing what they think would work if they were immigrants. Shows their lack of understanding of who, and what, they’re dealing with.

It’s like winning at litigation. First you write the opening and closing statements and lay out the strategy you think your opponent will use. Then you craft your own strategy to address those points. These legislators aren’t close to comprehending the immigrant experience.

“President Ronald Reagan supported legalization, explaining in a 1984 presidential debate”

So the Republican Conservative True Faithfuls are what, 37 years behind the times of what their iconic leader believed? No surprises there. It’s always easier to believe in the legend rather than the reality.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:19 am

Libya – I’m a fence sitter on this one. Count me in the 7% that don’t know how long this is going to take and don’t know whether its a good idea or not.

Fence sitting is nice, enjoying it actually. Relaxing. Me and my Post Turtles Bush and Obama.

AmVet

March 29th, 2011
9:19 am

You do have to give the BushCorp GOP credit for dramatically reducing the number of jobs available in this country for illegals.

AND citizens.

Neo-cons lied, the economy died.

Paul

March 29th, 2011
9:21 am

Morning, Granny!

“Thank God! When my ancestor left Sweden during the time of the Great Northern War….”

And my ancestor from the same country obtained his citizenship by having a citizen pay money to avoid the draft and have my ancestor serve in his place.

When you need them and want them to assume the risk, it’s a lot easier to tolerate them, eh?

Zedd

March 29th, 2011
9:23 am

It’s kind of like the deer over population here in Georgia. We need to have a no limit tag and bag day. The one good part of the proposed legislature is that every day citizens like you and me could sue local governments for failing to enforce the law.

TaxPayer

March 29th, 2011
9:23 am

What we need are Citizen’s Arrests! That’ll fix it and do it economically.

Paul

March 29th, 2011
9:23 am

Okay,so they’re 27 years behind Reagan. It’s early. It still makes it decades. So it’s still a true statement.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:24 am

“When you need them and want them to assume the risk, it’s a lot easier to tolerate them, eh?”

No kidding. The “anti-immigration” crowd seems to have no problem profiting from them, but they don’t want them here (?)

TaxPayer

March 29th, 2011
9:25 am

I wonder how Zedd will take advantage of legislation to sue for failure to enforce some law.

Call it like it is

March 29th, 2011
9:26 am

No shipping off, just sour the milk and they will leave.

“Illegal immigrants have already proved themselves willing to endure great risk, sacrifice and hard work.”

Jay these people are not heros. They are breaking the law, no question. They use and abuse our health care system, no question, they ride on our roadways with no insurance, fact. Does a great majority of their money goes back home?, yes. Stop the abuse of our system and these people will slowly go back home where they can fix their own country, and vote in people that will get the job done. Now people will scream about this, but I dare each and every one of you to go park in front of your local health department and watch to whom goes in and out every day, sucking up your tax money, then come back and say I’m wrong.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:26 am

More off-topic. (I pretty much saw this headline and put it in 4 wheel drive).

Saw The Social Network this weekend. How ironic that a social incompetent builds the world’s biggest social interaction tool since the advent of email. Interesting movie…..

Also interesting: rented the movie from Blockbuster Express. They should’ve done this ages ago…. automation is wonderful.

TaxPayer

March 29th, 2011
9:27 am

Call it like it is,

You’re wrong.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:28 am

“could sue local governments for failing to enforce the law.”

Local governments have no responsiblity for enforcing federal immigraion laws

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:28 am

Call it like it is – not saying you’re wrong per se. But who would want to go back to Mexico right now except in handcuffs on a bus? The place is a war zone…..

Bosch

March 29th, 2011
9:28 am

“The “anti-immigration” crowd seems to have no problem profiting from them, but they don’t want them here (?)”

Zactly.

deegee

March 29th, 2011
9:29 am

The risk for illegal immigrants if they choose to go back to their native country, Mexico, for example, is that they become targets of organized crime. The “Norteños” typically have some money in the bank so they end up paying protection money to keep themselves and their families out of the hands of kidnappers. They are damned if they stay here and they are damned if they go back. This is why many illegal immigrants are bound and determined to stay here.

Good luck with the ethnic cleansing laws. The laws aren’t going to work. The states that make it easier on hispanics rather than harder are going to reap the economic benefits in the long run.

Aquagirl

March 29th, 2011
9:29 am

Well, you can break your local government by suing over immigration, or you can break your local government by making them attempt to round up and deport every illegal immigrant. Either way, I hope you enjoy life without police, firefighters, water, and sewer. But by god, you’ll be rid of them ill-eegals!

seabeau

March 29th, 2011
9:29 am

#1 Fence and/or Fortify the Border.(Authorize the use of Deadly Force to Prevent incrusions into our country) #2 Round up the Strays.#3 Send’em back home.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:30 am

WAR COST: $600 MILLION, IN 6 DAYS…

(Coulda built a pretty swift set of train tracks from Atlanta to Charlotte)

Or made 600 people very rich in the US. Or helped out a million people with some serious food subsidies. Or coulda helped all of us have lower taxes.

JohnnyReb

March 29th, 2011
9:30 am

“a boundary more than 2,000 miles long through mainly undeveloped areas can never be made secure against people sufficiently motivated to cross it.”

No, it can be made secure. Our government choses not to do so. Instead, they prefer to use our tax dollars for frisking granny at airport security, abiding by political correctness instead of profiling.

Thank goodness the invaders are coming for jobs, not war.

Deep Throat

March 29th, 2011
9:30 am

Amvet the name caller

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:30 am

“go park in front of your local health department and watch to whom goes in and out every day”

And you – naturally – do that every day, and you – naturally – stop each and every one of them, every day, to verify their immigration status…yes?

Paul

March 29th, 2011
9:31 am

Maybe Democrats could break the impasse (or, more properly, the willing inaction) by pointing out to Republicans that if their anti-immigrant strategy’s enacted, that costs to businesses for labor will increase dramatically?

Wait…. that means Republicans will want illegals to stay here because it keeps labor costs for businesses down…..

Nevermind…….

Normal

March 29th, 2011
9:31 am

Aquagirl

March 29th, 2011
9:29 am

Evev then, they will just come back like the tide…

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:32 am

“#1 Fence and/or Fortify the Border”

How high, and how deep? Shovels and ladders are cheap and easy to get.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:32 am

Maybe we should just open our borders and say “come one, come all”

Would solve the housing problem. Of course, the population would double in 5 years and we’d have tent cities….. whatever.

AmVet

March 29th, 2011
9:32 am

Stop the abuse of our system enabling tens of thousands of businesses to profit handsomely by using illegal labor with complete impunity and these people will slowly go back home.

In other words, implement massive fines against these many corporations that violated US and state law and imprison a few of their imperious executives and watch the problem take care of itself…

ty webb

March 29th, 2011
9:33 am

“The place is a war zone…..”

jm, don’t say that..our new resident leftist “hawks” might start campaigning for intervention or some sort of “kinetic military action”.

Paul

March 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Call it like it is

“these people are not heros. They are breaking the law, no question”

For a second there I thought you were going to talk about the businessmen and women that employ illegals -

Aquagirl

March 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Normal, no they won’t! They’ll be stopped by JohnnyReb and Seabeau’s imaginary GigaFence.

Deep Throat

March 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Does anybody know what our goal in Libya is ?

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
9:34 am

Hispanics are now the second largest ethnic group in the US. They surpass blacks and asians by a large margin. Guess who will determine any future president and lots of members of Congress and the Senate? The sad part is the pandering that politicians exhibit to get elected or re-elected. As Hispanics become a more powerful political force in this country, they will determine much of our future. Is that what you want?

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:34 am

“They’ll be stopped by JohnnyReb and Seabeau’s imaginary GigaFence.”

I’m waiting to hear how they suggest we “fence” our sea borders!

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:34 am

Jay – on a serious note. Status quo serves both sides. Dems love to beat the “Republicans hate Hispanics” drum, and Republicans like to beat the “The Illegals are taking your jobs, you hard working non-illegals”.

So. Nothin done. Just goes to show, Congress is not trying to work in their favor, just serving their own interests.

Term limits anyone?

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:34 am

“Does anybody know what our goal in Libya is?”

yes

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:35 am

“Term limits anyone?”

We already have them. They’re called ELECTIONS

Deep Throat

March 29th, 2011
9:36 am

Lets load them all up ship them to Libya !

@@

March 29th, 2011
9:36 am

Leaving society to fester is what they do. While we focus on each other, they get away with all sorts of things.

I supported Bush’s immigration reform measures. I’m not here to condemn those who didn’t. It’s complex….needs to be simplified.

The alternative, then, is to acknowledge the continuing presence of illegal immigrants while providing an avenue for them to leave the shadows and join the mainstream.

Aside from a fine for having violated the immigration laws, my solution, radical as it may be?

Illegals who bring forth a known illegal criminal (drug dealer, child molester, murderer, burglar…etc.) will receive a pathway to citizenship.

(ISH)

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:36 am

ty webb – we’ve already been flying drone’s over Mexico…. Calderone is very unhappy about it.

Probably only a matter of time until we’re droppin bombs on Mexico too.

Deep Throat – uh, not exactly. Stopping a massacre? After that, things get a little foggy….

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
9:37 am

AmVet, 9:32

For once, and probably only once, we are in agreement.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:37 am

Doggone 9:35 – you must work as a political aide. Because that is the most bogus bunch of garbage.

Granny Godzilla

March 29th, 2011
9:38 am

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
9:34 am
Hispanics are now the second largest ethnic group in the US. They surpass blacks and asians by a large margin. Guess who will determine any future president and lots of members of Congress and the Senate? The sad part is the pandering that politicians exhibit to get elected or re-elected. As Hispanics become a more powerful political force in this country, they will determine much of our future. Is that what you want?

Yes. And if YOU don’t – breed faster

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:38 am

Jay – take note.

TPaw: Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Tim Pawlenty smacks down Trump and says people should stop raising the “birther” issue.

(from politico)

Mr. Snarky

March 29th, 2011
9:39 am

Two words: Thanks NAFTA!

getalife

March 29th, 2011
9:40 am

Hillary Clinton,

You complete me.

AmVet

March 29th, 2011
9:40 am

Rock on kayaker. It’s pretty basic and American stuff. Hold the powerful white collar criminals accountable to the law of the land as well as the street criminals.

Deep Throat, for the umpteenth time, don’t take people’s words, not directed at you, personally. It makes you look petulant and petty.

And WAKE UP!

Libya was discussed downstairs to the tune of 355 comments.

Are you one of those clowns who strolls into a movie half way through and then pesters everyone to tell you what has happened so far?

Deep Throat

March 29th, 2011
9:40 am

Doggone, perhaps you will share with the rest of the country, because Oblamer did not outline any exit strategy, or what our goal is. He said NATO would take over command today, already thats not happening.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:40 am

Ah yes. A brilliant future for our country, Granny Godzilla has envisioned.

Those who use the least birth control of one sort or another get to rule our country. Brilliant, positively brilliant.

“Yes. And if YOU don’t – breed faster”

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
9:41 am

Granny,

What a solution. I’ve always thought that you were a bit off the wall and this proves it beyond doubt.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:42 am

#
The hypocrisy of the American left
By JOE SCARBOROUGH | 3/29/11 7:13 AM

Opinion: How can liberals call for Qadhafi’s ouster when they opposed the war against Saddam?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52062.html

@@

March 29th, 2011
9:42 am

Yes. And if YOU don’t – breed faster

A subversive racist comment.

Translation? Latinos are fast breeders.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2011
9:42 am

k71….It is American citizens that vote for a president (well actually for electors). Whether they are irish, english, german, asian, white, hispanic or black in their heritage, they are citizens.

Deep Throat

March 29th, 2011
9:42 am

Amvet calling names make you look childish,

JohnnyReb

March 29th, 2011
9:43 am

Doggone – we agree. If I was in charge the Latinos would be coming by sea.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2011
9:43 am

“Translation? Latinos are fast breeders”

Not neccessarily. They don’t have to breed faster, if other “races” breed slower

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:43 am

For a decade now, we have been told of George W. Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s moral failings. They have been regularly compared to Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini and every other tyrant of the past century. Bush has been damned by the ministers of the far left as a war criminal, a fascist and a Nazi when labeling his policies as overly ideological and deeply flawed would have sufficed.

But that was never enough for the carnival barkers on cable news or the blogosphere. For the American left, Bush had to be condemned as an immoral beast who killed women and children to get his bloody hands on Iraqi oil.

That extremism required that the Bush years be filled with images of CODEPINK protesting on Capitol Hill, anti-war activists clogging the streets of New York City and left-wing commentators beating their chests with the self-righteous indignation of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.

But in the morally murky afterglow of the Obama years, the certainty of these secular saints has melted away.

President Barack Obama bowed to his generals’ demands by tripling troops in an unending war. CODEPINK did nothing.

Obama backed down on Guantanamo Bay. Anti-war protesters stayed at home.

America invaded its third Muslim country in a decade. The American left meekly went along. Without the slightest hint of irony, liberals defended the president’s indefensible position by returning again to a pose of moral certainty.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52062.html#ixzz1HzoFZwsX

Granny Godzilla

March 29th, 2011
9:43 am

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:40 am
Ah yes. A brilliant future for our country, Granny Godzilla has envisioned.

Those who use the least birth control of one sort or another get to rule our country. Brilliant, positively brilliant.

“Yes. And if YOU don’t – breed faster”

Why thanks, based on K71’s premise it is brilliant. People who didn’t use birth control ran the country for the first two hundred years…..not too shabby

AmVet

March 29th, 2011
9:44 am

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, which was the compromise of three previous attempts to help resolve the illegal immigrant problem, was a reasoned and reasonable step.

But the neo-cons went batshiite crazy and wrecked any and all progress on the matter.

Typical…

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:44 am

Democrats streamed to the floors of the House and Senate to praise the president for invading Libya. It was, after all, a moral mission that would stop the slaughter of innocent civilians. Whether protesting for peace or calling for war, these liberals once again convinced themselves of the moral superiority of their positions.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52062.html#ixzz1HzoUqcWJ

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:45 am

How can the left call for the ouster of Muammar Qadhafi for the sin of killing hundreds of Libyans when it opposed the war waged against Saddam Hussein? During Saddam’s two decades in Iraq, he killed more Muslims than anyone in history and used chemical weapons against his own people and neighboring states.

With the help of his equally despicable sons, Uday and Qusay, Saddam devastated Iraq, terrorized his people and destroyed that country’s environment. By the time American troops deposed him in 2003, Saddam had killed at least 300,000 of his own people — and human rights groups say that tally does not even include the million-plus casualties his invasion of Iran caused.

If Obama and his liberal supporters believed Qadhafi’s actions morally justified the Libyan invasion, why did they sit silently by for 20 years while Saddam killed hundreds of thousands?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52062_Page2.html#ixzz1HzoiV4Iv

Liberals have no credibility anymore.

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:46 am

oops typo. Never had credibility…. but they just put the nail in the coffin.

seabeau

March 29th, 2011
9:47 am

Guard towers(with armed guards) every 500 yards apart would prevent climbing the wall and ground sensors would identify underground intrusions. I also think that we would need to withdraw aprox.250 behind the existing border, mine the interval. In built up area we would need to level all existing structures for a clear field of fire. These steps would prevent all but the most determined incrusions.

pat

March 29th, 2011
9:47 am

Surely I thought you’d be talking about about obama’s war on iraq, uh, I mean lybia. This is what I call, dodge ball.

Chris

March 29th, 2011
9:47 am

The old Soviet Union had NO PROBLEMS sufficiently securing their borders from incursions by illegal aliens. Shoot onsite anyone aliens attempting to cross the border illegally. That will stop the flow immediately

Granny Godzilla

March 29th, 2011
9:48 am

kayaker 71

March 29th, 2011
9:41 am
Granny,

What a solution. I’ve always thought that you were a bit off the wall and this proves it beyond doubt.

The perfect solution actually. If if bothers you that Hispanic Americans may have more power than you do, breed more Xenophobic Americans. Simple. Practical. Affordable. (You can breed, can’t you?)

jm

March 29th, 2011
9:48 am

Libs. Living in glass house, sitting in the kitchen, on a burner in a black pot.

And how do they claim the moral high ground in Libya while not calling for the immediate invasion of Syria? The monstrous Bashar al-Assad regime is slaughtering his own people by the hundreds. More killings are sure to happen as that corrupt regime teeters on the brink of collapse.

In Yemen, the situation is no better. Government snipers shoot unarmed women and children from the rooftops of Sanaa. Should we follow Obama’s example in Libya and invade that country in the name of humanitarian relief? Or should we step into the breach in the Ivory Coast, where a terrifying civil war has led to a million refugees fleeing that country. And why do we not enter Sudan, where hundreds of thousands of innocents have been slaughtered over the past decade in a civil war of horrifying proportions?

Katrina vanden Heuvel, one of the few liberals to take a principled stand against what America is doing in Libya, has written in The Nation that the anti-war left has been silent since Obama took office because they don’t want to hurt the president’s reelection chances.

In defending Obama’s Libya offensive, they are compromising their own morals. The American left is also making it abundantly clear that it does not find all wars morally reprehensible — only those begun by Republicans.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52062_Page2.html#ixzz1HzpEwpER

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2011
9:48 am

Liberals have no credibility anymore.

Oh booo hooo….I am going to cry more because I am sure that for the past year jm has consistently told us all how liberals had absolute credibility and now we lost it suddenly in this single act. Woe is me.

Call it like it is

March 29th, 2011
9:48 am

“And you – naturally – do that every day, and you – naturally – stop each and every one of them, every day, to verify their immigration status…yes?”

Doggone, pick one, in any metro county in Atlanta as I stated and use your own eyes. And do I have proof yes. My wife is a 13 year employee of Cobb Health and her Aunt is a 20 year employee for Cherokee, and my sister is an RN in Atlanta, so yes day after day they have to give services out to illegal’s EVERY SINGLE DAY! This is not pie in the sky stuff and you would like to try an paint me as the bad guy, but these are facts. On any given day over 85% of the clients coming into the Health dept in Cobb on county service road is an illegal. Thats your money and mine going out the door!