Obama explains limits, goals of Libya policy

Thanks to Western intervention and imposition of a no-fly zone, Libyan rebels who a week ago seemed doomed to indiscriminate massacre by Col. Moammar Gadhafi are now pressing their assault on the town of Sirte, the dictator’s hometown.

In a few minutes, President Obama is scheduled to brief the nation about our goals in implementing the no-fly zone over Libya, and the limits of our commitment there.

There are two ways to discuss the topic, as a matter of foreign policy and as a matter of domestic politics. Let’s deal first with the politics. As a newpoll by the Pew Research Center reports public attitude:

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“Nearly half of Americans (47%) say the United States made the right decision in conducting air strikes in Libya while 36% say it was the wrong decision. Fully one-in-six (17%) express no opinion.

On balance, however, the public does not think that the U.S. and its allies have a clear goal in taking military action in Libya. Just 39% say the U.S. and its allies have a clear goal, while 50% say they do not.

Notably, most people do not view the United States as the lead actor in the military operation. Fully 57% say that the United States “is just one of a coalition of countries” involved in the military mission; far fewer (35%) say the United States “is leading the military action.”

There is little indication that views of the Libyan military operation are breaking along political lines. About half of Republicans (54%) and Democrats (49%) say the decision by the U.S. and its allies to launch airstrikes was right. Among independents, 44% see the airstrikes as the right decision, while nearly as many (41%) say they are the wrong decision.”

Nobody, including Obama, knows what will happen next in Libya. That’s why so many of the potential GOP presidential candidates have been so noncommittal about the policy. Nobody, not even the Libyans, have any real idea how this will turn out.

However, we do have a pretty good idea what would have happened without Western intervention, and it wasn’t going to be pretty. Thousands and more likely tens of thousands of Libyans would have slaughtered by their own government for daring to have dreamed of something better than dictatorial rule by a crazed despot. Here at home, many of those now sitting on the fence watching would have been condemning Obama as weak and feckless for standing by while the carnage played out.

I don’t know what the president is going to say, but I do find the conjecture about some kind of “Obama Doctrine” emerging from this incident rather odd. I don’t see a doctrine playing out here; I see a rather simple practical calculus at work: How much can you acccomplish, and at what risk? For a relatively small investment — certainly a far smaller investment than an eight-year occupation of Iraq that cost thousands of American lives and a trillion dollars — we are creating the conditions in which Libyans will have a chance — a chance — to create a better future for themselves.

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U.S. attitudes toward interventions are changing, and probably for the better. But if you have a chance to save thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of lives, and create an opportunity for many thousands more, at relatively tiny risk to yourself, basic decency says you take that chance.

– Jay Bookman

360 comments Add your comment

Midori

March 28th, 2011
7:31 pm

jack bull

March 28th, 2011
7:32 pm

somebody has to be the police of the world, why not us?

Midori

March 28th, 2011
7:32 pm

It’s Jeopardy time. Thulsa, et al, has the same answer for each and every category.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 28th, 2011
7:35 pm

Count me in the 44% of Independents who think the decision by the US and allies for the no-fly zone/air strikes was the right thing. Count me also as one of the 57% of Independents who doesn’t think the US and allies have a clear goal in Libya, or at least not a clear goal that they are expressing publically.

jack bull

March 28th, 2011
7:36 pm

you have admit, Obama does love the ‘celebrity’ that he has become.

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
7:38 pm

“U.S. attitudes toward interventions are changing, and probably for the better. But if you have a chance to save thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of lives, and create an opportunity for many thousands more, at relatively tiny risk to yourself, basic decency says you take that chance.”

Yes.

And look at all them charts and graphs! The Ole Bruin is on the ball!

@@

March 28th, 2011
7:40 pm

Put me with the Republican 54% (the right thing to do) and with the Independents 57% (has no idea what they’re doing.)

Does it really matter what he says, jay. He’s been known to say one thing, then do another.

schnirt

Dave R.

March 28th, 2011
7:41 pm

The problem is, that as a result of all the verbal machinations regarding why he chose to intervene, that there is now really no excuse NOT to intervene virtually anywhere where there is political unrest that threatens lives.

No matter how explains it tonight, there will always be his litany of reasons over the past week he used to go in on video.

Lil' Barry Bailout

March 28th, 2011
7:41 pm

The Idiot Messiah just said he had started a war of choice and attacked preemptively.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 28th, 2011
7:41 pm

And look at all them charts and graphs!

A noted absence of color, though, don’t you think? ;-)

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
7:43 pm

Hilllbilly

“A noted absence of color, though, don’t you think? ”

Perhaps he’s going for ‘understated and moderate?”

Jonas

March 28th, 2011
7:44 pm

Head and shoulders pattern that should be faded and sold.

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
7:44 pm

Enter your comments here

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
7:45 pm

Midori @ 7:32,

I see the inculcation of dogmatic liberalism in your mind just can’t be overcome. My prognosis is that your case is hopeless.

jack bull

March 28th, 2011
7:45 pm

So, is he saying that if we, the American people, show up in Washington D.C., protesting the way he is running the country, he’ll step down? wow..

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
7:46 pm

Now where did that 7:44 come from? I was away from the keyboard when THAT popped up…hmmm

BADA BING

March 28th, 2011
7:47 pm

It doesn’t matter which party the President is in, or if he is Black or White, The US will still be killing muslims.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 28th, 2011
7:47 pm

josef @ 7:46

My guess is it was that terrorist cat that resides with y’all.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
7:47 pm

“It is true that America cannot use our military wherever repression occurs. And given the costs and risks of intervention, we must always measure our interests against the need for action. But that cannot be an argument for never acting on behalf of what’s right. In this particular country – Libya; at this particular moment, we were faced with the prospect of violence on a horrific scale. We had a unique ability to stop that violence: an international mandate for action, a broad coalition prepared to join us, the support of Arab countries, and a plea for help from the Libyan people themselves. We also had the ability to stop Gaddafi’s forces in their tracks without putting American troops on the ground.

To brush aside America’s responsibility as a leader and – more profoundly – our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are.”

Yup.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

March 28th, 2011
7:48 pm

1) “Nobody, including Obama, knows what will happen next in Libya.”

And that’s the danger. We could very well be exchanging a Mussolini for a Hitler ……….. a dictator for an Islamic State with its goal the destruction of the United States.

2) ” … we are creating the conditions in which Libyans will have a chance …. ”

We need to be careful on this “we” stuff. Sometime I slip up and use it also.

It ain’t “we” – it’s the military personnel who carry out these sometimes flippant, political, how can I keep this from making me look bad or how can I look good on this one decisions.

Lil' Barry Bailout

March 28th, 2011
7:48 pm

Obozo has made an excellent case for war. In Iraq, circa 2002!

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
7:49 pm

Obama said earlier in the speech that he consulted carefully with Bi-partisan support in Congress before authorizing U.S. force.

Hmmmmm. Somebody be lying. Dennis (defeated the olive pit in court)Kucinich said Obama had no authorization or right to send in U.S. airpower and that Congress wasn’t cosulted. Matter of fact ole Dennis was madder at Obama than he was at that olive pit. Who is lying. Obama or Dennis the menace?

Dave R.

March 28th, 2011
7:49 pm

“o brush aside America’s responsibility as a leader and – more profoundly – our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are.”

Yup.”

Darfur?

WOW

March 28th, 2011
7:52 pm

“In a few minutes, President Obama is scheduled to brief the nation about our goals in implementing the no-fly zone over Libya, and the limits of our commitment there.”

And it only took him two weeks!!!!!! Guess he has more time to pay attention to the country now that his NCAA bracket was a total loss.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
7:52 pm

Very nice speech so far. Oh. Its obvious he’s using a teleprompter. Busted! Man you know Dennis the Menace is fuming. Good speech overall though.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
7:52 pm

If there’s an Obama Doctrine, I suppose this is its core:

“Because contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves. Real leadership creates the conditions and coalitions for others to step up as well; to work with allies and partners so that they bear their share of the burden and pay their share of the costs; and to see that the principles of justice and human dignity are upheld by all.”

Midori

March 28th, 2011
7:53 pm

Thulsa: “WAH”!!!!

That what all your posts sound like to me.

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
7:53 pm

Hillbilly…

Bet that was it! He was lurking about…

BTW

Has he said anything yet about Ms Clinton’s and Ms Rice’s punch to the gonads? :-)

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
7:53 pm

Dave R.,

Ooops. You weren’t supposed to say the D word.

WOW

March 28th, 2011
7:54 pm

“But if you have a chance to save thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of lives, and create an opportunity for many thousands more, at relatively tiny risk to yourself, basic decency says you take that chance.”

Great, then you won’t mind giving Bush credit for liberating hundreds of thousands of Iraqis from the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein.

What’s that? OHHHHHHH that’s right, Bush is evil.

jack bull

March 28th, 2011
7:54 pm

why does Kucinich say what he did was un-constitutional?

Lil' Barry Bailout

March 28th, 2011
7:54 pm

How many times is the Idiot Messiah going to say the same thing? Trying to fill out the half hour or what?

Peadawg

March 28th, 2011
7:54 pm

Hey, Jay…how does Obama anus smell? The reason I ask is b/c your head is so far up it no matter what it does it’s pathetic.

WOW

March 28th, 2011
7:55 pm

“If there’s an Obama Doctrine”

His doctrine is Bush 3.0.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
7:55 pm

Midori,

Here comes the part about the newly appointed stupid czar in Obama’s speech. This newly appointed stupid czar has been alerted to your repeated violations of every stupid law on the books. A warrant has been issued and they’re coming to get you now.

TaxPayer

March 28th, 2011
7:55 pm

“We did not, repeat did not, trade arms for hostages.”

Jay

March 28th, 2011
7:55 pm

Right, Wow. The degree of US commitment in blood and treasure to Libya is directly comparable to the commitment we made in Iraq. Is that really the best you can do?

Is that truly all you’ve got here?

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

March 28th, 2011
7:55 pm

…………… and this “no boots on the ground” thing is a sick joke.

Of course American military personnel are on the ground:. They were there before the first bomb was dropped ! You have to identify certain targets this way that can’t be identified from the air.

“RET. COL. DAVID HUNT, U.S. ARMY: “Yes, absolutely. You’ve got British service been in there about three weeks ago and actually got captured and released. The French GIGN have been in there and our special forces and our U.S. intelligence operatives and their assets. We do not conduct operations like this, large scale air operations, without people on the ground. They have been very successful, very good, not a lot of contact with the rebels because you don’t know who to talk to. But, yes, we have got intel gathering and rescue guys and special operations guys on the ground, have had them for about 12 days.”

Lil' Barry Bailout

March 28th, 2011
7:56 pm

Who say guys can’t have multiple orgasms? Looks like someone had them at 7:47 and 7:52.

BADA BING

March 28th, 2011
7:56 pm

I wonder if Khadafy is watching obama or TMZ?

jack bull

March 28th, 2011
7:56 pm

and is he contradicting his stance on Iraq?

oops, he had a skip in his teleprompter.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
7:57 pm

Peadawg, I always assumed you to be a better man than that.

I am disappointed to discover I am wrong. Honestly.

Darfur

March 28th, 2011
7:58 pm

I long to be free. Is history and freedom really on the move in North Africa as you just said? Will I really find a friend in the U.S. as you just now said? Help me.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
7:58 pm

Can that man read a teleprompter or what? He rules!!!

Peadawg

March 28th, 2011
7:59 pm

Jay, lately you’ve gotten worse about how you’ll support Obama in everything he does no matter if it right or wrong. You’ve become as biased as your colleague, Cynthia Tucker. I always assumed you to be a better man than that.

I am disappointed to discover I am wrong. Honestly.

Sasha

March 28th, 2011
7:59 pm

Thank God for our PRESIDENT.
He is so wise.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 28th, 2011
7:59 pm

1811

Isn’t Col. Hunt one of the guys who served in that role in Bosnia?

WOW

March 28th, 2011
7:59 pm

“The degree of US commitment in blood and treasure to Libya is directly comparable to the commitment we made in Iraq. Is that really the best you can do? ‘

We got rid of a brutal dictator who killed thousands of his own people. We paid a high price and Bush won two terms. The surge worked and now we’re better off for it.

I’m very surprised that you continue to make up excuses for the Spectator in Chief. We’re now in a third war and you’re fine with it because Obama is a Democrat.

“Is that truly all you’ve got here?”

Jay, I’ve posted many great points which you choose to ignore. You’ve yet to comment on the fact that GE pays ZERO taxes.

Dave R.

March 28th, 2011
8:00 pm

So it’s OK to interfere in another sovereign nations internal issues, so long as U.S. casualties are to be minimized? Is THAT what you’re defending, Jay?

Midori

March 28th, 2011
8:00 pm

Thulsa — each and every one of them.

Where’s Conan when we need him?

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
8:00 pm

Peadawg

Add me to Jay’s column on that one…

Hmmmmmmm

March 28th, 2011
8:00 pm

Such a HYPOCRIT Bookman! let’s just say that this article would have be totally different had a conservative been in office….. What a JOKE your ramblings have become….

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 28th, 2011
8:01 pm

Well, I feel like a guy watching his mother-in-law drive off of a high cliff in his new Ford F-450. I mean, I hate Obama and want him to fail and loose the next election. But like most Conservative Republicans I love war. Long as me and mine ain’t in it and it’s somebody else’s kid getting planted in the ground.

I guess I won’t be listening to the speech. It might could change my mind and I’d end up being called a N-lover at Billy Bob’s and getting shunned at the 4-wheel races and all kinds of nasty stuff. The best way to keep your beleifs pure is not to listen to the other guy. Just call them a wild-eyed librul and refuse to listen to what they have to say. If I do tune in, it will be on Fox News and I’ll have my back turned and my ears stopped up the way I always do when somebody I don’t like or agree with is talking.

Have a good night everybody.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
8:01 pm

Is that truly all you’ve got here?-Jay

Dadnabit Jay. I think you stole that line from me. I demand a royalty payment.

TaxPayer

March 28th, 2011
8:02 pm

The Republican’s, mics off, response is damn, he’s showing himself to be a good leader, unlike what we have to offer or did offer and he fixed the economy too. If he starts getting many more jobs created before the election, we’re screwed. We’ve got work to do.

WOW

March 28th, 2011
8:02 pm

Where was Obama when the Iranian people wanted to rise up against Imonajihad?

Peadawg, Jay is bought and paid for by Obama. He makes up excuses for him and ignores Obama’s lies.

I know that Jay is more concerned about Obamas poll numbers than he is with the Libyan people. If it helps Obama, Jay is ok with it.

Remember, to left wingers, it’s all about poll numbers.

Peadawg

March 28th, 2011
8:02 pm

“So it’s OK to interfere in another sovereign nations internal issues, so long as U.S. casualties are to be minimized?”

From what it sounds like, it’s ok if you’re a Democrat. Right, Jay?

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
8:04 pm

Midori,

The stupid police are knocking on your door now. Run Midori! Run Midori!

Smeat

March 28th, 2011
8:04 pm

Pi$$ Poor speech…

Smeat

March 28th, 2011
8:06 pm

I might have believed him if his suit hadn’t been two sizes too large.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
8:06 pm

Taxpayer,

So a perty speech makes one a good leader? If that were true Obama would be held in the same regard as Winston Churchill. He gives great speeches. Policies? Now that’s a whole other animal- one that Obama has no idea how to tame.

Midori

March 28th, 2011
8:07 pm

I thought the stupid police were at your place, Doom.

Have you been cuffed yet?

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:07 pm

No, hmmmm. My response would not have been different. I was, for example, a strong supporter of the first President Bush in the first Gulf War. It was absolutely necessary, and he did it well, for the most part.

TaxPayer

March 28th, 2011
8:08 pm

I commend our blog host yet again for showing quite the level of restraint. Then again, I don’t have a job to protect. Peadawg, you’re an idiot.

Normal

March 28th, 2011
8:09 pm

War Is Bad for Children, Living Things. . . and the Economy

getalife

March 28th, 2011
8:09 pm

Desperately seeking new leaders to step up to public service on NBC.

All the Presidents are there as Kid Rock opens it with “Born free”.

The Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisian, Iranian. etc….. will be free.

Talk about change.

Wow.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:10 pm

It would seem that many people here would rather discuss many things other than whether we were correct to impose a no-fly zone.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
8:11 pm

Midori,

You got em confused my dear. The thought police are at my door. They came to get me for my differing thoughts from what Obama wants us to think.

The stupid police are at your door. They came to get you for obvious reasons.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:12 pm

I suspect that’s because they know Obama is correct, but they simply cannot bring themselves to acknowledge such a heretical thing.

rightwi.ngextreme

March 28th, 2011
8:12 pm

i just wish bammy would protect American citizens from mexican drug lords invading our country. put the National Guard on the border.

if he thinks libya has problems, he should call out china….oh wait can’t do that…we are owned by them.

why not provide support to the iranian dissedents? of wait, can’t do that….we can’t impose our will on another country.

maybe he should call out cuba….oh wait can’t do that…..that would be one socialist calling out another one.

there are probably another 30 countires i could mention that meet bammy’s definition of needing to intervene….but they don’t supply oil to europe. see syria on this.

jay, i ask you…..what happened to no blood for oil?????

Yippee

March 28th, 2011
8:12 pm

Spider monkey comes to mind. And her, Chewbacca.

TaxPayer

March 28th, 2011
8:13 pm

Thulsa,

I reckin purdy speeches wit purdy consistent actions does a might to satisfy my yearning for whut I considers a decent leader. Having said that, Obama sure beats any alternatives I’ve seen from the Republicans.

Double Wow

March 28th, 2011
8:13 pm

‘Right, Wow. The degree of US commitment in blood and treasure to Libya is directly comparable to the commitment we made in Iraq. Is that really the best you can do?

Is that truly all you’ve got here?’

So you agree, Jay, that the cause in Iraq was right, just that the cost was too high? Because that is what you are saying. First time I’ve ever heard you say that.

Peadawg

March 28th, 2011
8:13 pm

It would seem that many people here would rather discuss many things other than whether we were correct to stick out nose in other countries’ business when we have so many problems of our own here.

Fixed your typo Jay. And the answer is no.

Dave R.

March 28th, 2011
8:14 pm

It seems like many people here are simply fawning over an open-ended, multi-interpretive intervention policy where we can pick our interventions based on whether an unspecified number of non-Americans are in jeopardy so long as we can kick the other country’s a$$ if it isn’t too hard on our service men and women.

have I got that right?

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:14 pm

That’s fine, Peadawg. That’s a legitimate point of view. Now present your argument for that point of view rather than engage in cheap personal insults that belittle your own intelligence and decency.

rightwi.ngextreme

March 28th, 2011
8:15 pm

hey jay….bush got his man taken out in iraq…..bammy says our goal is not to remove gaddafy….so then what’s the point of this operation??

Yippee

March 28th, 2011
8:15 pm

So do we now go to Syria; China; Iran; Yemen; Saudi Arabia; Downtown Atlanta; etc.?

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
8:15 pm

Jay,

In all seriousness it was a good speech and he explained things well. He just better hope we are outta there within a few weeks. If this thing drags on for months its going to really wear on him and his poll #s.

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
8:16 pm

“I suspect that’s because they know Obama is correct, but they simply cannot bring themselves to acknowledge such a heretical thing.”

Yes. I’m no Obamista by a long shot, but on this one, just like the earlier Iran one, he got it right, imho. Bringing that certain bloodbath to a halt is in and of itself worthy of some respect…

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:16 pm

Actually, Dave R., yes you do. Nicely done.

And your alternative would be?

Should we start wars in which we accomplish little but at high cost? Is that your preference?

RW-(the original)

March 28th, 2011
8:16 pm

Because contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves

He sho nuff loves those straw men he can build on one screen and tear down on the other.

Hmmmmmmm

March 28th, 2011
8:17 pm

Jay, at least be honest with yourself… But, no worries. It’s people like you and Taxpayer who think this man has fixed the economy…… Yes, We have an actual person who thinks this president has fixed the economy. Congrats Taxpayer…… I guess you can tell the 17 percent who are unemployed not to worry…. Obama will be sending them their check, it’s in the mail, right! Absoulutely unbelievable that some people can breathe and type at the same time….

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

March 28th, 2011
8:17 pm

I’m just not sure about this one. Are we tradding a Mussolini for a Hitler ………. a dictator for an Islamic State that preaches the destruction of this country?

One thing I am sure of, if this were a Republican President the mainstream media and liberals would be doing everything possible to make it negative.

Since it’s a Democrat President they are doing everything to make it positive.

@@

March 28th, 2011
8:19 pm

Once again…Obama says we “can’t always” BUT “we can now”. Those “buts” can be deadly.

Peadawg

March 28th, 2011
8:21 pm

“rather than engage in cheap personal insults that belittle your own intelligence and decency.”

Then you may not want to let my 8:16 go through….it’s my response to TaxPayer calling me an idiot. :)

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:21 pm

DoubleWow, if we could have replaced Saddam at such a cheap price, I would have had no problem with it. He was a very bad man who deserved worse than he got.

But from the very beginning, it was clear that the suggestions we’d be greeted with roses and chocolate were absolute nonsense designed to fool the American people.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 28th, 2011
8:21 pm

I was, for example, a strong supporter of the first President Bush in the first Gulf War. It was absolutely necessary, and he did it well, for the most part.

I’d agree with that, as far as it goes. After the war was over though, factions inside Iraq were encouraged to rise up against Saddam and when they did, they got no help from anyone and got gassed.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:22 pm

already handled that one, Peadawg.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:22 pm

Hillbilly, that’s where the “for the most part” comes in.

Dave R.

March 28th, 2011
8:23 pm

“Should we start wars in which we accomplish little but at high cost? Is that your preference?”

No, Jay, we should not start wars, nor interfere in any nation’s progression nor destruction unless their actions DIRECTLY affect our national security.

Iraq II did NOT. Afghanistan did ONLY to destroy the Taliban’s ability to support terrorism. Libya did NOT. Bosnia did NOT. Grenada did NOT.

Shall I go on, or am I abundantly clear and consistent enough for you?

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
8:24 pm

Hillbilly
@ 8:21

That, too.

@@

March 28th, 2011
8:24 pm

If he’s determined to insert “the canceling butts”, here’s what I would like to have heard from Obama.

“It is not a policy of the U.S. to seek and destroy (kill) a brutal tyrant, BUT since it’s cheaper, that’s the way I’m gonna roll on this one.”

TaxPayer

March 28th, 2011
8:25 pm

Then you may not want to let my 8:16 go through….it’s my response to TaxPayer calling me an idiot.

Even I have lines that I will not cross.

Jay

March 28th, 2011
8:26 pm

No Dave R. , no further explanation is necessary. There’s clearly a consistent logic through your decisions.

WOW

March 28th, 2011
8:26 pm

“But from the very beginning, it was clear that the suggestions we’d be greeted with roses and chocolate were absolute nonsense designed to fool the American people.”

Obama said that his stimulus package would create shovel ready jobs. Didn’t see anything from you about that.

Bush never said anything about being greeted with roses, but the Iraqis did topple that statue of Saddam. Also, the Iraqis were allowed to vote for the first time. Ever.

Thulsa Doom

March 28th, 2011
8:26 pm

Josef Nix,

I’ve no problem with what we’re doing. I also wouldn’t have a problem if we closed a couple of bases in Germany and put troops in Darfur to stop the constant slaughter of people there.

And I certainly would have supported an intervention in Rwanda. The world stood by for a full 90 days as a genocide campaign took place and 800,000 Tutsis and Hutu moderates were butchered by machete and hoe wielding mobs. Small numbers of armed troops could have stopped the slaughter easily in every single place since most of the mobs only had machetes and hoes as weapons. Few actually had guns.

godless heathen

March 28th, 2011
8:31 pm

I am not an Obama supporter as you all know, but I can’t fault him for the way he handled this situation. We can’t solve all the world’s problems but sometimes we can fix some of them. Iraq and Libya for example. I’m not sure we’ll fix much in Afghanistan except killing some taliwhackers.

And why does it fall on the US to always take the lead? Because we can.

josef nix

March 28th, 2011
8:32 pm

Thulsa

I am glad to hear you say that. As for Darfur, things are still bad there, for sure, but somewhat in check due to others handling it…Rwanda is a sin which will haunt us all for all time to come…I would like to think we learned a lesson there…

Disgusted

March 28th, 2011
8:33 pm

What repulses me is the fact that these same Obama critics would have been all over him for cowardice and a lack of leadership had he simply allowed the government loyalists to slaughter the opposition in Libya. Some of these critics had already made such accusations before Obama’s decision to intervene in Libya. The only event that would please them is a replacement of Obama with a conservative who is faithful to their selfish interests. We saw many of their predecessors in the America First movement prior to American involvement in World War II.