Japan reports a likely setback in nuclear crisis
After a few days of cautious optimism, the nuclear crisis in Japan has taken a more grim turn. In a speech to the nation Friday evening, Prime Minister Naoto Kan called the situation “very grave and serious,” and residents within an expanded 19-mile radius of the plant have been advised to evacuate.
What changed? After two workers were hospitalized yesterday after wading through highly radioactive water, officials tried to trace the water back to its source. They now believe the water may be coming from Reactor No. 3, suggesting a breach of containment.
As the Christian Science Monitor reports:
If that turns out to be true, the devastated nuclear complex may be much more contaminated with radioactive materials than officials had previously thought.
The suspected reactor breach would mark a major setback for the crews racing to return power to the plant and bring its reactors and spent-fuel pools back under control.
Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan said Friday that the situation at Fukushima remained grave: “We are not in a position where we can be optimistic. We must treat every development with the utmost care.”
… An examination of the water the workers sloshed through showed its radiation level to be 10,000 times higher than normal, said NHK. The radiation almost certainly came from the reactor itself, not the nearby spent-fuel pools, according to officials.”
So what does it all mean? For one thing, public support here in the United States has fallen significantly in the wake of the accident, as documented by a CBS poll released this week:
But on the other hand, there’s this. It’s a graphic representation of the number of deaths attributed to coal, oil and nuclear power, adjusted by the amount of power each generates:
Source: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/03/the-triumph-of-coal-marketing.html
That’s certainly fodder to argue that public wariness of nuclear power outpaces the actual danger it poses. However, you could counter that with the observation that oil and coal don’t require an evacuation zone with a 19-mile radius, an area of more than 2,200 square miles. A Russian nuclear expert has predicted that the immediate area around the Fukushima complex would be inhabitable again in, say, five years. But that was before the latest setback.
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jm
March 25th, 2011
12:59 pm
Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power
Japan’s disaster would weigh more heavily if there were less harmful alternatives. Atomic power is part of the mix
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/21/pro-nuclear-japan-fukushima
/drive-by
Normal
March 25th, 2011
1:02 pm
I heard that the infuse of salt water has caused a salt crust to form on the cooling pipes that is actually insulating the pipes from the cooling of the water. If true, bad stuff is happening. They are obviously making it up as they go now. They have no clue…
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
1:03 pm
Death rates, you say?
This might be a good time to bridge over from the last topic and remember an important 100 year anniversary being observed today.
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2011
1:03 pm
Where exactly do libs think the power for all these electric cars is going to come from?
Adam
March 25th, 2011
1:04 pm
Normal: They are definitely winging it. Not exactly a good thing overall but if any engineers can wing something and succeed, it’s the Japanese.
Palin fan
March 25th, 2011
1:07 pm
The nucluler disaster in Japan just goes to show that we should be using more of the supplies of gas and oil that are available hear in America.
If we’ve said it once, we’ve said it a million times to you liberals:
Drill, baby, drill!!!
When will you get it through your simpleton little heads???
Mick
March 25th, 2011
1:12 pm
Really bad news…hope they can figure it out and contain but this is a nightmare and a very scary one at that…
rb
Solar baby, solar…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:13 pm
If we’ve said it once, we’ve said it a million times
Yep you have yelled it a million milliony times but it still does not provide al the answers nor have the risks been addressed….of course, permits are being issued.
Put the effort in solar, wind, waves and we can make tremendous headway in a very short period.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:17 pm
Spill, baby, spill.
Sarah BarraClueless fan, when the profit-first, safety-last scumbags at BP, Transocean and the ever-disgraced Haliburton, can demonstrate they won’t kill a bunch of people and devastate entire ecosystems needlessly.
(Google that second to last word, if you must.)
But then you never hold these Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence anyway, as long as there is anybody else aroudn to blame, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyOBIrslw5w
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:18 pm
Redact to read…hold accountable…
Normal
March 25th, 2011
1:18 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#42261160
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:19 pm
Amvet… they dont hold them responsible…they apologize to those titans when others hold them accountable.
Adam
March 25th, 2011
1:21 pm
Normal: exactly
mm
March 25th, 2011
1:23 pm
“Where exactly do libs think the power for all these electric cars is going to come from?”
We could capture all of the hot air from the wingnuts and use that to produce steam for the turbines.
We should send anyone that still thinks nulcear energy is safe over to Japan to help contain the reactors.
Peadawg
March 25th, 2011
1:23 pm
“Put the effort in solar, wind, waves”
We should but our efforts are too busy being put into Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:25 pm
Pea, you are right about a great deal of drain on our economy…but afraid Iraq and Afghan were inherited and Libya hopefully limited…..
mm
March 25th, 2011
1:25 pm
“We should but our efforts are too busy being put into Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya.”
Funny how the righties never complain about military operations unless they are started by a democrat.
Adam
March 25th, 2011
1:26 pm
mm: Ok so if nuclear energy is CATEGORICALLY not safe then what is the solution? Because I’m getting the feeling you’re going to lean towards oil, gas, and coal. As though all of those are safe and don’t do any sort of environmental damage.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:26 pm
Normal, I only got half way through that before I felt the need to hurl. Bombastic b&llsh*t from the serial liars HeadRush, Count DeMint, George of the Bungle and Candied Rice back to back to back to back?
You should have warned me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a50_nJj699s
John
March 25th, 2011
1:28 pm
Good Fight… wind power will be great until enviros start protesting about bird deaths.
Peadawg
March 25th, 2011
1:28 pm
“Funny how the righties never complain about military operations unless they are started by a democrat.” – mm, please remove head from rear, read, then speak. Notice how I included Iraq and Afghanistan in the sentence as well. I believe a Republican started those.
mm
March 25th, 2011
1:28 pm
Adam,
Solar, wind, wave.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:29 pm
Humans are most irrational animals. They just happen to be smarter than the other ones.
mm
March 25th, 2011
1:30 pm
Peadawg,
It it were not for Libya, you would not have even brought up the subject. Quit making excuses.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:30 pm
“Solar, wind, wave.”
Oh good. Then we can power the state of Ohio. The other 49 states. Well, lights out.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
1:31 pm
AmVet,
It was at the end of it that made me sick…I couldn’t believe what I was hearing…
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:31 pm
Wave Power: here’s to saying goodbye to common sense. Everyone wave bye-bye….
Peadawg
March 25th, 2011
1:33 pm
“It it were not for Libya, you would not have even brought up the subject. ”
You may want to remove the crystal ball and tarot cards from rear as well. You really don’t know me.
Peadawg
March 25th, 2011
1:36 pm
“and Libya hopefully limited…..”
Let’s hope. But it seems nobody can decide on what our clear mission and exit strategy are. Seems like another Iraq in the making…..
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
1:36 pm
I remain a no nukes Granny…..
How’s this boys and girls, since we the people would be forced to pay for any clean up here in the US how about we shut all the ba$tards down
until they can find some other suckers to insure their safety.
If the ain’t safe enough for the good hands people it ain’t safe enough for we the people.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
March 25th, 2011
1:36 pm
Strange logic. An ancient design in a poor location suffered a 9.0 earthquake and a massive tsunami, and nobody died. This proves nuclear power is unsafe?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:36 pm
jm… you have a problem with wave power? Please do post a link to the scientific or actual problem?
larry
March 25th, 2011
1:36 pm
Hydroelectric power along with solar and wind turbines……………………………
Sounds good to me , i also like the fact there is very little waste.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:37 pm
Nuclear. Natural Gas. Wind. More alternative R&D.
Problem (mostly) solved.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:37 pm
“Seems like another Iraq in the making…..”
????????????????????????????????????
Leland
March 25th, 2011
1:37 pm
The comparison of deaths due to coal and radioactive emissions is misleading. Radioactive cesium adds to background radiation for generations and contributes to birth defects, stillbirths, cancers, immune disorders of all sorts, and yet causality is very difficult to establish. So, for example, a woman gets cancer at age 55 who otherwise might have lived into her 80s. Cesium radiation may have been the culprit, but because cancer genesis is multicausal, a number of other explanations are possible. Deaths and disability due to radiation are grossly underestimated.
Adam
March 25th, 2011
1:38 pm
Any sufficient power to be gained from solar, wind, wave, water, etc is only going to come if we try to make the technologies more viable. Solar power does a lot more now than it did, but imagine how MUCH more it would do if we had given solar power equal or even a fraction of the subsidies that oil companies currently enjoy?
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:39 pm
Keep. I like wave power in principal. The ability to capture it on a mass scale, in the notoriously tough (rust and weather) environment of the ocean, is highly dubious.
The best thing we could do require coal turbines be retrofitted to natural gas over the next 10 years. Build more nukes, and continue to (slightly) subsidize wind power.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:39 pm
nobody died — so far as we may have been told…and you forgot the “yet”…. You also forgot the economic waste, the danger to actual safety, possible deformities and other issues….
Rather cavilier and disingenuinous.
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:39 pm
Isnt this what our scientist were warning about the entire time?
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:40 pm
I saw a Chevy Volt on the road on Wednesday…It is actually a good looking car.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
March 25th, 2011
1:40 pm
Dear Leland @ 1:37, your argument seems to be untrue. “Radioactive cesium adds to background radiation for generations and contributes to birth defects, stillbirths, cancers, immune disorders of all sorts, and yet causality is very difficult to establish” Turns out those not instantly killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have significantly lower rates of cancer, and higher life expectancy. The nuclear exposure seems to be beneficial, although you accurately recite the conventional wisdom.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
March 25th, 2011
1:41 pm
Dear Keep @ 1:39, good afternoon, your rant answered @ 1:40.
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
1:42 pm
It it were not for Libya, you would not have even brought up the subject. Quit making excuses.
mm, I’m gonna call a 5 yard face mask on that. PD’s had his moments of rationality (he also doesn’t march to the climate change denier’s drum) and I can’t fault him a bit, here, for fretting about where we’re headed with this latest Excellent Middle East Adventure.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:43 pm
Ragnar…you have a link to back your claim?
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:43 pm
George W 1:40 – no kidding? interesting…. i look forward to seeing one at some point. at dealerships?
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
1:44 pm
I saw a Chevy Volt on the road on Wednesday…It is actually a good looking car.
I’d sure like to have one. Alas, I think I have to put another 150K on the current beatermobile before I’m due for a new one.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:45 pm
“…and nobody died.”
This mode of “thinking” reminds me of Andy’s and the other environmental-hating ostrich’s plaintive wails after the Deepwater Horizon debacle. “What oil? I don’t see any oil. Do you see any oil?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:45 pm
stands…..I wouldnt mine having one either.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:46 pm
FYI folks. People need to be prepared for $8 gas sometime not too distant in our lifetimes. Oil demand, highly inelastic and continuing to increase. People still driving all over Europe with $8 gas.
Bruno
March 25th, 2011
1:46 pm
For what it’s worth, our office is doing a fundraiser for Japan next Wednesday. We’re all in this thing together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1KtScrqtbc
larry
March 25th, 2011
1:46 pm
I saw a Chevy Volt on the road on Wednesday…It is actually a good looking car.
I actually saw about six of them on the road on the way back from Marietta .
I plan on buying one ……………………
After i win the lottery tonight.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:47 pm
“The nuclear exposure seems to be beneficial…”
Mann Coulter is alive and well in a man’s body!
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:47 pm
jm….have you been to europe….most drive scooters, bicycles and take taxis. Very few actually own cars. Especially those who live in the cities.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
1:47 pm
“Death Rate Per Watts Produced”
Now what nerd came up with that one ?
Oh, by the way, I like my eggs scrambled counter clockwise.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:47 pm
“beatermobile”
192,000 miles and 12 years on mine and counting. runs like a charm and still looks good too….. I’ll get a new car when I feel so compelled and put the current one on standby for hauling
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:48 pm
Bruno….if I will the lottery…I am buying a Hummer 1 and driving by everyone in their Prius’s and shooting them the bird hahah.
Adam
March 25th, 2011
1:48 pm
Goerge W: That’s because in major cities public transportation is paid for and considered to be a valuable thing by most of the population. Many southern major cities HAVE public transport that is in disarray, dirty, not funded properly, etc.
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
1:49 pm
We are all aware of course, that Nuclear plants privatize the profits and socialize the risk…..
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2011
1:50 pm
“Solar baby, solar…”
I wasn’t aware that technology was viable. Where can we get solar powered cars TODAY?
What beaches are those wave power generators going to be installed on?
What happens when the wind isn’t blowing? Are you ok with your house shutting down including your refrigerator because your house isn’t smart enough to know which things can be turned off and which can’t and you aren’t willing to pay for the systems to tell the difference?
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:50 pm
George W – yeah. people will switch to smaller cars, public transit (where available), diesel, etc etc.
But developing world demand is going to far outstrip any potential increase in supplies. It’ll be someone with a sandcastle watching the japanese tsunami roll in….
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:50 pm
Adam….I agree.
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:51 pm
Jm….I think it has already started to happen here. However SUV’s are still striving throughout America.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:51 pm
“socialize the risk…..” unprotected sex orgies?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
1:51 pm
Drill, Drill, Drill !
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:51 pm
Thriving not striving
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:52 pm
jm….”unprotected sex orgies”
Been to the Velvet Room lately?
Haywood Jablome
March 25th, 2011
1:52 pm
Good afternoon, all.
As Ragnar points out, the A-bombs have only enhanced the lives of the Japanese survivors. Now, Ragnar, please use your always insightful brilliance to tell us about the effervescent joy that is the lives of the Chernobyl survivors.
Plu-leez, give us more douchiness.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:52 pm
The Volt, incidentally, is insanely, highly subsidized. I just hope there’s a phaseout of the subsidy (I suspect there is after enough units are sold).
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 25th, 2011
1:52 pm
Well, I sure hope this don’t mean GA Power will stop building the nuculer power plants my bill says I got a share of. It says right there on the bill, “nuculer construction cost recovery.” If that don’t mean I’m paying on a share of the plants, I don’t know what will.
As usual, the pantywaists are all up in arms because a few nuculer plants in Japan went haywire. Well, sometimes things go haywire. I’m not in favor of stopping building nuculer power plants just because a few dozen people get nuked or die of cancer. We got to keep building so we don’t have to buy oil from Towelheads. Besides, I got no relations or friends down there where they’re building the plants. It’s no skin off of my—-nose if some of those people turn green or glow a little.
Have a good day everybody.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
1:53 pm
RB… solar is a viable technology available for use in a number of situations throughout the country to supplement current systems and in some cases with proper design may be stand-alone with minimum backup.
Wave power may not need to be installed on beaches…river bottoms are some alternatives and offshore for some.
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:53 pm
Velvet Room? Um. no.
Peadawg
March 25th, 2011
1:53 pm
“The nuclear exposure seems to be beneficial…”
Eric Bana and Edward Norton would probably agree with you.
George W
March 25th, 2011
1:54 pm
Peadawg….”you wont like me when I am angry”.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
1:54 pm
Think I’ll start early …………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8myK93FqbYc&feature=related
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
1:54 pm
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:51 pm
“socialize the risk…..” unprotected sex orgies?
what risk? you’d be infertile
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
1:55 pm
B, I love the organic, grass roots nature of how American’s sometime come together and contribute to the suffering people there and anywhere around the globe. USA! USA! USA!
More from my muse…(recorded in Tokyo, 1990.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ERGynR-CM
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:55 pm
Keep – solar’s nowhere close to viability. Except here:
http://inhabitat.com/north-chilean-mines-will-soon-be-powered-by-the-sun/solar-energy-chile-mines-1/
Cause they don’t get any rain, clouds, etc.
Otherwise, solar only works with goooooooooooooooooooooooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbsssssssss of subsidies.
Adam
March 25th, 2011
1:56 pm
RB: I wasn’t aware that technology was viable. Where can we get solar powered cars TODAY?
Just out of curiosity, how does solar power today compare to gas powered cars around, say, the 1930s? Because that’s the real comparison to make.
Are you ok with your house shutting down including your refrigerator because your house isn’t smart enough to know which things can be turned off and which can’t and you aren’t willing to pay for the systems to tell the difference?
Ever heard of capacitors?
jm
March 25th, 2011
1:56 pm
You know Granny, fortunately that’s not the case. But were I to have to make a decision between being infertile or having your affliction, I’d take being infertile.
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
1:59 pm
jm
aren’t you just the sweetest!
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:00 pm
“Very few actually own cars. Especially those who live in the cities.”
Because their cities are not set up where it is almost required to have one.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:00 pm
Oh sorry Adam, hadn’t read that far.
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
2:02 pm
viable
also viable
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:03 pm
………and if we’d only listened to Jimmy Carter 30 years ago……..
Adam
March 25th, 2011
2:04 pm
Bosch: No apology necessary. It’s an obvious thing. People in major European cities don’t NEED cars, and our major cities, especially in the south, REQUIRE personal transportation since the public transportation either sucks or is non existent.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:05 pm
and if we’d only listened to Jimmy Carter 30 years ago……..
We may all be speaking Iranian now.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:05 pm
Adam,
Zactly.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:05 pm
Cute George, but no, we’d be well on the way to being off ME oil.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:06 pm
Adam….or it is too overrun by thugs to feel you can safely use it.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:06 pm
Bosch….how….what technology would we be using now?
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:07 pm
“or it is too overrun by thugs to feel you can safely use it.”
Bullsh*t.
larry
March 25th, 2011
2:07 pm
and if we’d only listened to Jimmy Carter 30 years ago……..
We wouldnt be supporting Iran, have our troops in Iraq……….
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:07 pm
Bosch……Marta? Really that is your response “bullsh#t”?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 25th, 2011
2:08 pm
jm…you seem to lump all solar into one category….but its not that simple. Passive solar, active solar, solar to heat water, solar to provide electricity. Each has different uses and some more cost effective than others with current technology but that technology is changing and recent advances may change dramatically. Also the rising cost of alternatives including ground water contamination from fraking fluids and cost of oil change the outcome. Energy independence changes the calculation also.
Paul
March 25th, 2011
2:08 pm
sfd
“Alas, I think I have to put another 150K on the current beatermobile before I’m due for a new one.”
If the objective it to save money, that’s about the best way to do it.
Phrase I taught my kids “Car equals depreciating asset”
followed by “Car does not equal status”
JohnnyReb
March 25th, 2011
2:08 pm
The DOE was created in 1977 by the peanut farmer to end our dependence on foreign oil (just one of his many blunders). Our dependence on foreign oil has climbed steadily since as has the money given DOE each year to fix the problem. Obama budgeted $26.4 billion for DOE fiscal year 2010. This time next year, nothing will have changed for the better that can be attributed to DOE. Abolish the DOE and lower the budget accordingly.
The moral to the story is, we should pray for the people of Japan, but also for the USA to see clearly that Nuclear power is the leading candidate for at least partial replacement of fossil fuels. Windmills, sea wave generators, solar power, electric cars or everyone riding a bicycle are environmentalists wet dreams.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:08 pm
George,
Well, I don’t know, because we did NOTHING to develop anything. Who knows what could have been developed and implemented in 30 FREAKING YEARS. I don’t have a time machine, wish I did, so I can’t go back in time and make people do what they should have done back then. But I do remember Reagan taking the solar power panels off the White House.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:09 pm
“Marta? Really that is your response “bullsh#t”?”
Yes, George it is. When’s the last time you actually rode Marta?
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:09 pm
THE DOE — SQUAWKKKKK!!!!!
Adam
March 25th, 2011
2:10 pm
George W: It has been shown before that your objection is actually a perception rather than an actual reality in most of the areas that it was suggested this was a problem. Granted, there are thugs out there, and some of them probably use public transport. But the facts do not back this perception up. I wish I could remember which thread this was on.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:12 pm
Bosch….yep those solar panels really worked great! haha Keep up the good work!
Paul
March 25th, 2011
2:12 pm
Bosch
If it’s a time machine you’re after, there’s a blogger who shows up here who uses it on Jay. Maybe he’ll share?
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:15 pm
Blog God, poo.
“yep those solar panels really worked great”
George, how could they work great if they were removed?
Paul,
Good idea.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:16 pm
Just posted three videos regarding public transporation but they are “awaiting moderation” lets see if he lets them go through.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
2:16 pm
A $10 cab ride to the Doraville station. $2.75 and 42 minutes later, I’m stepping into the airport. In the meantime, I’ve read the AJC, chatted with people or caught a small cat nap.
OR…I could run the gauntlet called the downtown connector and pay big money to park at the airport for a week.
Some choice.
Too bad for them that the homophobes and xenophobes in Cobb never wisened up…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
2:16 pm
“True to the sense of humor and flair that defined her life, Elizabeth Taylor knew exactly how she wanted her final starring role to play out.
Her publicist tells Lifeline Live in a statement that Taylor wanted to be late for her own funeral:
The service was scheduled to begin at 2 pm but at Miss Taylor’s request started late. Miss Taylor had left instructions that it was to begin at least 15 minutes later than publicly scheduled, with the announcement, “She even wanted to be late for her own funeral.”
Her body may have been late for the funeral but her soul was right on time for eternity.
I hope she was ready.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
2:18 pm
George W:
I think Jay has it set up to only take two websites, videos, etc. at a time. That’s why you went to “eternal moderation”.
Try two and then one and see what happens.
kayaker 71
March 25th, 2011
2:18 pm
Solar and wind supply about 1% of our energy needs. If you think that solar and wind are going to make a dent in our energy requirements, that 18 year old horse is still for sale. It boils down to two choices, fossil fuels or nuclear power. That’s all we have. We either learn from our nuclear mistakes and move on or we stay with coal and oil fired power plants and see our dependence on foreign sources control our lives. But these Darth Vader scenarios that Bookman keeps posting are of no help whatsoever. It might sell blog space and TV air time but it doesn’t contribute one bit to solving the problems with nuclear energy.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
2:19 pm
I think I heard where the godly Christians from Westboro Baptist Church were considering “visiting” Liz’s funeral.
(She was friendly to those “funny” people, doncha know?)
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:19 pm
Sidebar. Japanese donations. I’m glad everyone in America has compassion for these folks. But we’re not talking about a Haitian or Indonesian earthquake here. Japan is a developed, prosperous (sort of), modern country that also has $2 Trillion of our debt in their bank accounts. They don’t need our money, they already have it.
They do need logisitics and physical help and support.
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
2:20 pm
Whats with the “sexual” references on alternative power sources from the right here?
Somebody compensating for some personal power shortages?
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:20 pm
Yep public transportation is SO safe…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76a_1298451840
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1b_1296457917
Wait a minute…what else do these video’s have in common?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
2:20 pm
2:16
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
2:21 pm
“It boils down to two choices, fossil fuels or nuclear power. That’s all we have.”
The autocar will never replace the horse either…
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:21 pm
Keep 2:08 – solar hot water does work. the rest, not at all.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
March 25th, 2011
2:22 pm
Dear Keep @ 1:43, quote without attribution:
As The New York Times science section reported in 2001, an increasing number of scientists believe that at some level — much higher than the minimums set by the U.S. government — radiation is good for you. “They theorize,” the Times said, that “these doses protect against cancer by activating cells’ natural defense mechanisms.”
Among the studies mentioned by the Times was one in Canada finding that tuberculosis patients subjected to multiple chest X-rays had much lower rates of breast cancer than the general population.
And there are lots more!
A $10 million Department of Energy study from 1991 examined 10 years of epidemiological research by the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health on 700,000 shipyard workers, some of whom had been exposed to 10 times more radiation than the others from their work on the ships’ nuclear reactors. The workers exposed to excess radiation had a 24 percent lower death rate and a 25 percent lower cancer mortality than the non-irradiated workers.
Isn’t that just incredible? I mean, that the Department of Energy spent $10 million doing something useful? Amazing, right?
In 1983, a series of apartment buildings in Taiwan were accidentally constructed with massive amounts of cobalt 60, a radioactive substance. After 16 years, the buildings’ 10,000 occupants developed only five cases of cancer. The cancer rate for the same age group in the general Taiwanese population over that time period predicted 170 cancers.
The people in those buildings had been exposed to radiation nearly five times the maximum “safe” level according to the U.S. government. But they ended up with a cancer rate 96 percent lower than the general population.
Bernard L. Cohen, a physics professor at the University of Pittsburgh, compared radon exposure and lung cancer rates in 1,729 counties covering 90 percent of the U.S. population. His study in the 1990s found far fewer cases of lung cancer in those counties with the highest amounts of radon — a correlation that could not be explained by smoking rates.
Tom Bethell, author of the The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science has been writing for years about the beneficial effects of some radiation, or “hormesis.” A few years ago, he reported on a group of scientists who concluded their conference on hormesis at the University of Massachusetts by repairing to a spa in Boulder, Mont., specifically in order to expose themselves to excess radiation.
At the Free Enterprise Radon Health Mine in Boulder, people pay $5 to descend 85 feet into an old mining pit to be irradiated with more than 400 times the EPA-recommended level of radon. In the summer, 50 people a day visit the mine hoping for relief from chronic pain and autoimmune disorders.
Amazingly, even the Soviet-engineered disaster at Chernobyl in 1986 can be directly blamed for the deaths of no more than the 31 people inside the plant who died in the explosion. Although news reports generally claimed a few thousand people died as a result of Chernobyl — far fewer than the tens of thousands initially predicted — that hasn’t been confirmed by studies.
Indeed, after endless investigations, including by the United Nations, Manhattan Project veteran Theodore Rockwell summarized the reports to Bethell in 2002, saying, “They have not yet reported any deaths outside of the 30 who died in the plant.”
Even the thyroid cancers in people who lived near the reactor were attributed to low iodine in the Russian diet — and consequently had no effect on the cancer rate.
Meanwhile, the animals around the Chernobyl reactor, who were not evacuated, are “thriving,” according to scientists quoted in the April 28, 2002 Sunday Times (UK).
Dr. Dade W. Moeller, a radiation expert and professor emeritus at Harvard, told The New York Times that it’s been hard to find excess cancers even from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, particularly because one-third of the population will get cancer anyway. There were about 90,000 survivors of the atomic bombs in 1945 and, more than 50 years later, half of them were still alive. (Other scientists say there were 700 excess cancer deaths among the 90,000.)
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:22 pm
Face it George, you just don’t want to be near THOSE people.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:23 pm
“Wait a minute…what else do these video’s have in common?”
I don’t know why don’t you tell us, and by the way, what were we supposed to notice about that picture of the unemployed you mentioned a while back?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
March 25th, 2011
2:23 pm
Dear Haywood @ 1:52, you asked; answered @ 2:22.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:24 pm
Amvet 2:16 – isn’t it a bit ironic that the best thing, and biggest driver of elective marta rail use in this city is a connection to a hub point that facilitates the use of thousands of fossil fuel burning aeroplanes?
Jimmy62
March 25th, 2011
2:25 pm
Thankfully newer reactors are magnitudes more safe than the ones in Japan that we’re all talking about. Anti-nuclear people are Luddites more than anything else.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:26 pm
Bosch…..youve got that right….why would I?
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:26 pm
Bosch…..youve got that right….why would I?
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:26 pm
Bosch…..youve got that right….why would I?
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:28 pm
MARTA: 15 miles of electricity using (semi-clean, but coal-based electricity) transportation to get to an airport for a 1,500 mile flight on a kerosene burning jet.
that’s cold hard reality….
Normal
March 25th, 2011
2:28 pm
If MARTA scares you, then you are easily frightened…
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:28 pm
Point is George, you don’t ride MARTA, so you are not qualified to say that it is full of thugs. It’s only your perception, and a wrong one at that.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:29 pm
George W has a post-stutter issue and the blog filter has blown its “duplicate comment” circuit.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:29 pm
Normal…..doesnt scare me but I wouldnt walk through South Atlanta after dark either.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:29 pm
“If MARTA scares you, then you are easily frightened…”
For real, Normal.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:30 pm
Bosch…..I have riden it many times…..just choose to stay away from it as much as possible.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:31 pm
George again if you please:
“Wait a minute…what else do these video’s have in common?”
I don’t know why don’t you tell us, and by the way, what were we supposed to notice about that picture of the unemployed you mentioned a while back?
Tommy Maddox
March 25th, 2011
2:31 pm
“Funny how the righties never complain about military operations unless they are started by a democrat’
You said it mm! It’s a military operation that was started by ONE democrat – not one democrat in concert with Congress. Big difference…
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:31 pm
A “few days” in Libya has become a 90day campaign officially. Guess that’s all the war powers resolution will permit obama….
how long before Peace Prize Obama acknowledges we’ve actually started a war?
West strikes Libya forces, NATO sees 90-day campaign
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/25/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110325
Obama is such a patsy. I’m sorry, he is. Pushed around by everyone, no compass whatsoever.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
2:32 pm
AmVet,
I’ve been wondering if it wouldn’t be “funny” to fight fire with fire and every time the Westboro Baptist Church shows up for a protest, have Gay men and women gather around them and protest them…heh, heh
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:32 pm
Bosch….you tell me….come on man I am sure you can figure it out.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
2:33 pm
jm:
Looks like Syria is next …….. we’re going to run out of carriers and even planes at this rate.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:33 pm
Um. 3am. Ring Ring.
Obama: Obama here. Uh-huh.
Michelle: What is it?
Obama: crazy stuff happening in Libya
Michelle: Please hand the phone to Hillary and let’s go back to sleep.
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
2:34 pm
“They don’t need our money, they already have it.”
Wow, jm. How can you be so friggin’ callous? We’re talking about untold numbers of heartbroken, devastated men, women and children who have lost everything.
You’re a better man than that, but I think, like all of us, you’re sometimes blinded by ideology…
I can’t let the world die just ’cause no one would try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhnmpl8IP9E
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:35 pm
George,
You are the one that brought it up, tell us, or are you too scared?
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:35 pm
Scout – yes, Syria’s been stewing for a while. BTW, have you seen the protests in Portugal? They are totally f’d. This world is f’d. Politicians prefer printing or anything over the mobs marauding Wisconsin, Greece, Portugal and Ireland.
Hard assets buddy. Hard assets. Germans know what is going to happen….
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
2:36 pm
Bosch……Marta? Really that is your response “bullsh#t”?
It’d be mine too. I never hesitate to have visitors ride the rails from the airport, and I’m happy to use it myself when it’s practical (which, alas, isn’t often.)
And I’d gladly pay whatever tax hike would be necessary to extend it into my neck of the woods. I’d be happy to have the nearest station within easy walking distance, too.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
2:37 pm
mobs marauding Wisconsin..,Sweet Jesus! That is TOO funny.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:38 pm
AmVet – I’m not being callous, but you can’t see that. The Japanese will be fine. The US should provide all the physical and logistical support we can provide.
However, the Japanese do not need money. Do you give an overweight person food? No, a treadmill. Do you give a rich but homeless person money? No, you give them temporary shelter. Get it?
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:39 pm
Bosch….nope not scared at all……I just want to see if your fragile little mind can figure it out.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:39 pm
“Do you give an overweight person food? No, a treadmill. Do you give a rich but homeless person money? No, you give them temporary shelter. Get it?”
Yeah, AmVet, do you get it? Totally unrelated situations? And “rich but homeless” WTF??
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:39 pm
If the US or Germany had a disaster, I would think it was incredibly silly if the rest of the world sent us cash.
That said, it might not be that crazy given the direction of our country.
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2011
2:40 pm
Someone give jm a job.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:40 pm
“I just want to see if your fragile little mind can figure it out.”
No, you’re a coward.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
Bosch – really, you’re this daft. You know, there were plenty of wealthy people homeless after Hurricane Hugo and Andrew…. probably never crossed your mind. I’m sure you think wealthy people probably just walk up and steal the house from someone who’s house is still standing.
jconservative
March 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
37,313 people were killed in US traffic accidents in 2009.
How many did you say were killed by nuclear accidents?
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
Someone give Taxpayer a brain.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
“You know, there were plenty of wealthy people homeless after Hurricane Hugo and Andrew…. ”
And that has to do with WHAT exactly?
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:43 pm
Bosch – maybe you’re not aware. We’re discussing a disaster in Japan. There was an earthquake and tsunami. It left people homeless in Japan. Get it?
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:45 pm
But in Brussels, a NATO official said planning for NATO’s no-fly operation assumed a mission lasting 90 days, although this could be extended or shortened as required.
France said the war could drag on for weeks.
“I doubt that it will be days,” Admiral Edouard Guillaud, the head of French armed forces, told France Info radio. “I think it will be weeks. I hope it will not take months.”
————–
Someone please, please inform the French. Hope is not a strategy. Did not work in WW2. Will not work now. They never learn.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:45 pm
hey bosch….was there much looting after Andrew or Hugo??? Why did it happen so much after Katrina?
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
2:47 pm
No worries, jm and others.
I’ll continue to support my friends and all the strangers in the land of the Rising Sun the best way I know how.
Most likely you go your way and I’ll go mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEwix-Zi0zw
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2011
2:47 pm
jm says the wealthy homeless are the ones in need of our help. Are these the same poor rich people that need more tax cuts.
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:48 pm
Taxpayer….as opposed to the poor that do not pay taxes???
TaxPayer
March 25th, 2011
2:51 pm
as opposed to the poor that do not pay taxes
That’s what we have debtor’s prisons for. Lock ‘em up ’til they pay. That’ll teach ‘em.
carlosgvv
March 25th, 2011
2:51 pm
1. Oil will become more and more expensive and eventually we
will run out.
2. Electricity seems, at this time, the only viable alternative
to fossil fuel energy.
3. Solar, wind and water power will not suffice to make up for
all the energy we now get from oil.
4. Coal burning plants are very harmful to the environment and
there seems no way to make them safe.
5. Therefore, in the future, nuclear power plants will be necessary.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
2:52 pm
” Hope is not a strategy. Did not work in WW2.”
Didn’t work for the country in 2009-2010 either!
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:52 pm
TaxPayer – sounds like you should be debating this with AmVet.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:53 pm
“was there much looting after Andrew or Hugo??? Why did it happen so much after Katrina?”
I don’t know George, you tell me.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:53 pm
carlosgvv – sound logic. you left out natural gas which is also a good bridge. and wind is reasonably scalable and comparatively affordable.
Dave R 2:52 – amen
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:54 pm
And according to Scout there hasn’t been any Japanese looters either, and he won’t tell us why that is as well.
jm
March 25th, 2011
2:56 pm
Yeah. Nothing wrong with Wisconsin heretofore. Nothing at all.
The so-called “booby prize” in the ethnic enclave contest went to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, because of its low level of self-employment and its job-creation record over the past decade, which the magazine said was the worst of any big city in the United States.
John Birch
March 25th, 2011
2:56 pm
In 57 years of nuclear power generation we only have three names; Three Mile, Chernobyl, and Japan. I’d say that’s a pretty good record. It’s wonderful that Georgia will finally put more plants on the grid. Build nukes and drill baby.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
2:56 pm
Hmmmm, Bosch…
No looters in Japan? You figure that it might be that there is nothing left to loot is why? Some people….
George W
March 25th, 2011
2:57 pm
Bosch….wow you seem ignorant today….wake up
John Birch
March 25th, 2011
2:57 pm
There was a lot of looting after Katrina because many of the good pople of NO, particulary those in the 9th ward, are actually scum.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
2:58 pm
They’ve been talking about hydrogen cell powered cars. I wonder what a head on collision would sound like?
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
2:59 pm
George,
Nope, totally awake, why was there more looting after Katrina than Andrew and Hugo? And what were we supposed to see from that picture of the unemployed a while ago?
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
2:59 pm
Georgia will finally put more plants on the grid.
And the Republican corporate lackeys in Atlanta got you and me paying for it before it ever goes on line.
Sweet!
You’re doing a heckuva job connies…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2GHlcwlT1Y
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:00 pm
Normal,
Did you see this pic from LOLcats? It made me laugh…alot:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/03/24/funny-pictures-ruber-dukie/
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
3:00 pm
Got an early jump on the Friday pm music, especially for George W:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xIQmFk1ok0
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:00 pm
Bosch……worthless trash.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:01 pm
George,
“worthless trash”
In the picture earlier? Was it a picture of actual trash or people?
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
3:02 pm
Sorry, my musical selection was also for our John Birch. I regret the ommission.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:02 pm
trash
jm
March 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
Lord let them save us from armageddon.
‘Gang of 6’ senators launch public campaign to support deficit reduction
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gang-of-6-senators-launch-public-campaign-to-support-deficit-reduction/2011/03/07/ABEtpzO_story.html
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
Bosch, Yes I saw that! It was the classic coffee spew moment!
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:04 pm
OMG, Normal, did you see this one? I think I have damaged a kidney laughing at this. Don’t ask.
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/03/24/funny-pictures-videos-crazy-cat-fighting-pose/
jm
March 25th, 2011
3:05 pm
At the same time, the effort is also attracting strong supporters. This week, Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, the leaders of Obama’s fiscal commission, are launching their own campaign to promote the Gang of Six talks. And despite reluctance at the White House to engage publicly on the issue, Bowles said in an interview that the president has named Vice President Biden as his “point guy” on the talks.
jm
March 25th, 2011
3:06 pm
Several commission members pointed to the testimony of economist Carmen Reinhart in late May as particularly compelling. Reinhart, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, and her co-author, Harvard economist Kenneth Rogoff, analyzed more than 200 years of data on 44 countries and found that “growth deteriorates markedly” when total government debt exceeds 90 percent of the economy. Total U.S. government debt exceeded 90 percent of gross domestic product last year.
“We are there. We’re not approaching it,” Crapo said in an interview. “You used to hear politicians say we can’t keep piling this debt on our children and grandchildren. Well, it’s not our children and grandchildren we’re talking about alone anymore. It’s everyone in America today. We do not have any time left for gridlock.”
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch,
I couldn’t get that one to work…I’ll have to wait to when I get home.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:07 pm
…but, but, but Cheney said deficits don’t matter…
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:08 pm
Normal,
Yeah, it’s a video — and there’s an advertisement before it, but make sure to watch it.
John Birch
March 25th, 2011
3:09 pm
Amvet – It has nothing to do with Repbulican lackeys. We paid for vogle years in advance when we had mnostly Democratic lackeys in the PSC too. As I’m sure you know utilities play by different rules because we really don’t want the lights going out and never coming back on, as Japan is demonstrating.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:09 pm
“Bowles said in an interview that the president has named Vice President Biden as his “point guy” on the talks.”
To quote Dr. Leaonard H. “Bones” McCoy, ” Are you out of your Vulcan mind?!?!”
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:09 pm
….and Normal, don’t have anything in your mouth at the time. Just saying.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:14 pm
“…but, but, but Cheney said deficits don’t matter…”
He said they didn’t matter when it came to electoral politics, Normal. This is the most misunderstood quote on the Web (but convenient for the libs to cherry-pick). And at the time he said it, he was right. However, the electorate has changed their tune due to the enormity of said deficit, and we saw that they do matter in electoral politics last November.
Thank God.
Granny Godzilla
March 25th, 2011
3:14 pm
John Birch
March 25th, 2011
2:56 pm
In 57 years of nuclear power generation we only have three names; Three Mile, Chernobyl, and Japan. I’d say that’s a pretty good record. It’s wonderful that Georgia will finally put more plants on the grid. Build nukes and drill baby.
why do we always have to help folks like you find the damn truth….Vermont Yankee? Indian Point? Erwin? Braidwood? Sellafield?
Virgil Sumner? Diablo Canyon? Sequoyah? Wanna talk transportation issues? Military ones too?
JohnnyReb
March 25th, 2011
3:15 pm
Looting is directly tied to character. A person of good character will not loot, even after a hurricane. Surely the Left is smart enough to draw further conclusions.
Guy Incognito
March 25th, 2011
3:15 pm
“G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether”
Guess when you’re buds with the Community Organizer and Chief, and still sell parts to Iran, you don’t fall into the left’s “Corporations are Evil” category
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:18 pm
JohnnyReb….Amen….they dont understand “character”.
WOW
March 25th, 2011
3:18 pm
“So what does it all mean? For one thing, public support here in the United States has fallen significantly in the wake of the accident, as documented by a CBS poll released this week:”
How many people have died because of the reactor? ZERO
I love how you act act as though a CBS poll is something to be taken seriously. The same CBS that allowed the now disgraced Dan Rather to show fake documents on W. The same CBS who is about to fire Katie Couric because nobody watches her.
I also love how the left has absolutely ZERO alternative to oil or nuclear power.
What would Ralph Nadar do? NOTHING!!!!!!!!! Why, because he’s a political hack who can’t ride his bike without training wheels.
WOW
March 25th, 2011
3:20 pm
In other news, the Marxist Kenyan, as Jay calls him, was burned in effigy today by muslims.
Guess Obama can’t walk on water in the muslim world.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:22 pm
“This is the most misunderstood quote on the Web ”
No, Dave, I think the Pelosi HC quote and the Al Gore invented the Internet are much more misunderstood because they certainly get more air time.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:23 pm
WOW…..now if only the left would realize that he cant walk on water.
jm
March 25th, 2011
3:24 pm
The biggest sign ever that our national debt and deficits are a problem: the do nothing until a crisis is upon us saucer Senate that is supposed to cool the teacup House is itching to do something about the deficit.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:25 pm
“Looting is directly tied to character. A person of good character will not loot, even after a hurricane.”
I agree, that’s kind of a given, but are you saying that people in Japan have more character than those here?
“Surely the Left is smart enough to draw further conclusions.”
I don’t like to “read into” what people might think and what they might not think — so why don’t you just come out and tell us what “further conclusions” we should draw. I can draw plenty from what you’ve written, but it isn’t my statement, it’s yours, and I can only draw conclusions about the statements themselves, not your intent — so, what conclusions do YOU draw since YOU brought it up.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:26 pm
Bosch…..actually yes I would say the Japanese have more class and character than some here in the US. Easy observation.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:27 pm
“The biggest sign ever that our national debt and deficits are a problem”
You know, jm, the more I think about it, the more I’ve come to the conclusion that no one really cares about the deficit and the debt — because as I wrote earlier, we could pay off the debt very easily — it’s just that no one is actually willing to make the sacrifices it would take to do so.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:27 pm
“Bosch…..actually yes I would say the Japanese have more class and character than some here in the US.”
Like who, George, just give us an example.
moonbat betty
March 25th, 2011
3:29 pm
I’ve done my part to kick start an alternative energy initiative for the Obama administration – the Moonbat2000.
What have all of you done?
Start now by purchasing the Moonbat2000 eco-friendly personal power supply. Unleash your inner power of mind, body and soul while saving the environment. The Moonbat2000 will revolutionize the alternative energy industry by giving the power to the people.
Yes, with the Moonbat2000, even you can have the ability to power any electrical device through the power of pedal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asZ2RHPHT4c
By the year 2015, moonbat2000 pedal farms will be developed where legions of unionized workers will power entire cities.
Millions of unemployed workers can now be unionized and given lifetime jobs generating clean energy for millions of Americans. The average fatassed American couch potato will be transformed into a svelte, clean energy producing machine!
So do your patriotic duty today and purchase a Moonbat2000. Amvet bought 3 yesterday!
/cue Star Spangled Banner
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:30 pm
Bosch….lets see…..N.O. (Katrina)…..L.A. (Rodney King Riots)….care for more?
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:32 pm
Disagree. Bosch, on the Pelosi comment. Here it is:
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”
In her previous remarks, she was talking about the controversies surrounding the bill, yes, but she addressed nothing else with this statement. Was she implying that we were too dumb to understand the bill as presented? That might even be worse than her original comment above.
And please note, I am of the firm opinion that she is a dumb as a sack of hammers, so my impression of her comments might be a bit biased . . .
AmVet
March 25th, 2011
3:32 pm
stands, somewhere Southern Comfort must be laughing his ass off…
“As I’m sure you know utilities play by different rules…”
I know they play with our people’s money.
Sorry, I won’t make excuses for welfare recipients. Exceedingly wealthy individuals, destitute individuals or corporate persons.
And since the blog’s pest/pariah on thin ice has showed up, I’ll bid you ladies and germs a good afternoon and weekend.
Party on like the righteous musical fools you are tonight though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZdPts3gEjg
And for the band…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk0dBZ1meio
Kamchak
March 25th, 2011
3:32 pm
No word from silly cons when Cheney said the Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.
Even Amspec and The Weekly Standard concurred.
Now the deficit is all that silly cons can talk about.
Silly cons can’t be trusted.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:34 pm
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:14 pm
What the hell, Dave, governments are too big to fail…
——————
George,
From what I could see, there wasn’t anything left to loot, but I will tell you this, when your hungry enough…things could happen.
WOW
March 25th, 2011
3:34 pm
“WOW…..now if only the left would realize that he cant walk on water.’
They’re not smart enough to figure that one out, George. Looks like the resident agitator is back to doing what he does best which is spewing drunken nonsense and pretending like I am somehow on thin ice.
Can’t wait for music Friday.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:35 pm
Kamchak, keep up with the rest of us here. As I showed earlier, Cheney said they didn’t matter in the context of electoral politics, and at the time, they didn’t. November 2010 proved otherwise due to their sudden increase.
Silly? That would eb those who cannot read – like you.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:36 pm
Normal…..really….that is interesting. Seems more like worthless trash taking advantage of a bad situation. When was the last time you saw someone eating at plasma tv? Yet we all saw them carrying them out of stores during those events.
WOW
March 25th, 2011
3:37 pm
Off topic 1:
Thanks to Capt. Craptacular, Obama Hussein, we now Iran part 2. What is it with the left and effing up the middle east?
WOW…..now if only the left would realize that he cant walk on water.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/middleeast/25egypt.html?_r=1
HDB
March 25th, 2011
3:38 pm
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:30 pm
Bosch….lets see…..N.O. (Katrina)…..L.A. (Rodney King Riots)….care for more?
Let’s see….NO and LA were because of governmental INACTION (NO – non-evacuation of the poor; LA – the verdict)…in Japan, the government is ACTING IMMEDIATELY!! There IS a difference!!
Kamchak
March 25th, 2011
3:38 pm
All you showed was that you can make up caveats.
See dave spin.
Spin dave, spin.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:38 pm
Yeah, Dave, but you know as well as I do, that it’s a favorite of the wingnuts to misquote that so it seems Pelosi didn’t know what was in the bill.
Dick
March 25th, 2011
3:39 pm
I said deficits do not matter. Electoral politics have nothing to do with deficits unless you are talking about the deficit in brain power in electoral politics and then deficits do matter because you run the risk of electing a Bush for president. I’m doing the best I can, Scooter.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:39 pm
HDB….THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE…..OTHER THAN THE CLASS OF PEOPLE AND THE RESPECT THEY HAVE FOR EACH OTHER…..YOU PEOPLE ALWAYS BLAME THE GUBAMENT FOR YOUR SHORTFALLS…..KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:42 pm
George, I don’t remember much of that at Katrina…I remember them looting food and beer. As for LA, I don’t think you can compare a race riot to a hurricane or an earthquake…
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:43 pm
From commondreams.org:
“‘Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” Dick Cheney told Paul O’Neill during a Cabinet meeting. “We won the (2002) midterms. This is our due.”
No one is disputing the words of the former Treasury secretary in the new book, “The Price of Loyalty.” Since Cheney had been responsible for bringing the “straight shooter” O’Neill into the Bush administration, we can take O’Neill’s words for the truth.
Cheney’s remarks bring this question to mind: What kind of a government is this? The idea that it is the Bush administration’s “due” to run deficits and leave the bills for future taxpayers is a startling one. Governments run deficits, but it is the rare one that believes they are its right.
By “due,” Cheney meant that because Republicans won the midterm elections on a platform of more tax cuts and deficit increases, they could pass still more tax cuts and run up still more deficits. Voters knew that a Clinton surplus of $200 billion had been transformed into a $200 billion deficit under Bush (it is now $450 billion), and voted for Republicans anyway.
That’s what Cheney meant by “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.” For Cheney, Reagan proved there was no political cost to big deficits.”
Making up caveats, Kamchak? I don’t think so. No spin as usual, Kammy-poo. Just cold, hard facts.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:43 pm
Normal sure you can compare them…..looting is looting….Do you want me to post videos of both instances and show you where they were stealing electronics not food?
getalife
March 25th, 2011
3:43 pm
dave pretends to be smarter than Speaker Pelosi.
Talk about full of himself.
You are not dave.
The lobbyists know what is in that bill.
A VP of a health care company wrote it and our senate praised her on the senate floor.
Did you know that fact dave?
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:44 pm
Has George resorted to shouting? Tsk, tsk…
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:45 pm
George,
The only articles I can find that has a picture of the “unemployed” is this one in an article from yesterday:
http://www.ajc.com/business/georgia-has-no-plan-884852.html
And I don’t see any trash there, so what’s up?
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:45 pm
“that it’s a favorite of the wingnuts to misquote that so it seems Pelosi didn’t know what was in the bill.”
I refer you back to my “sack of hammers” analogy, Bosch.
I’m not even sure she knows what she had for breakfast on any given morning.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:46 pm
Ok, George, you can compare them if you want, but you will be wrong.
JohnnyReb
March 25th, 2011
3:46 pm
Bosch – I did not bring up looting. I read several posts on looting, then gave my opinion. Obviously, you drew conclusions or would not be so hot about it.
There were record floods in the Mid-West after Katrina. No looting, no blaming the government for their situation. Now we have Japan, portions devistated by earthquakes and nuclear radiation. No looting, no crying about the government. But not so in New Orleans with Katrina. The same group who did not evacuate because the bus did not come by and blow the horn until they came out of the house are the same who loot, who constantly blame someone else for their life situation, and always have their hand out to the government. Clearly, they are not of good character. If you disagree, invite them to dinner.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
I know that one lone VP of a health care company didn’t write that bill, getalife.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
Bosch…..I see plenty.
getalife
March 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
w,
Meltdown.
Tick, tick, tick.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
“I’m not even sure she knows what she had for breakfast on any given morning”
Well Dave, if that’s your criteria of intelligence…..I’m in trouble
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
All I will say is that if Pelosi is so dumb, why do the Republicans fear her so much?
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:48 pm
Normal…..I am wrong? It seems to me like the ones doing the looting are wrong!
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
3:49 pm
There were record floods in the Mid-West after Katrina
fercryinoutloud
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:49 pm
Well Reb, all you had to do was say that you didn’t think those people in New Orleans had good character.
George, like what? You said there was trash — where’s the trash — I just four people standing around looking at papers. Are you talking about the papers? Like you are concerned that those papers may become trash?
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:50 pm
Normal….we dont fear her…..we hate her policies.
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:50 pm
Bosch….yep.
Normal
March 25th, 2011
3:51 pm
Well, time to shut her down for the week. Got an evening filled with Grand kids and a “Rabbids” game on wii. Have a great weekend all y’all and stay dry. Promise me no looting.
stands for decibels
March 25th, 2011
3:51 pm
Hey, conservadroids, don’t forget to bring up how the good white folks didn’t do any lootin’ (that you saw on the TeeVee anyhow) after them big blizzards as well.
getalife
March 25th, 2011
3:51 pm
She got the credit dave .
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:52 pm
“All I will say is that if Palin is so dumb, why do the Democrats fear her so much?”
Fixed your typo, Normal!
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:52 pm
NORMAL!! WAtch that video!!!
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:52 pm
Stands….your right for once….we didnt.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:52 pm
George,
Yep, what?
George W
March 25th, 2011
3:53 pm
Yep
Dick
March 25th, 2011
3:54 pm
Like I said, monetary deficits don’t matter, as long as we have suckers ready to pay off the huge debt after we’re dead and gone. History will show who the fools are — the ones left to write out the tax payments. /Smirk
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:54 pm
“She got the credit dave.”
And Hope & Change got credit for getting health care passed, but are you going to argue he had a majority of the skin in that game? Reality sucks sometimes, getalife, but you still have to acknowledge that it exists.
Dick
March 25th, 2011
3:55 pm
That Palin even scares me. Her gun is bigger than mine and I hear she knows how to aim hers. Mine was an accident, honest.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
3:56 pm
“Hey, conservadroids, don’t forget to bring up how the good white folks didn’t do any lootin’ (that you saw on the TeeVee anyhow) after them big blizzards as well.”
Well it’s kinda tough to run away real fast through 6 foot high snow drifts . . .
Just sayin’
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:57 pm
Off topic, but Elizabeth Taylor was in a lot of freaking movies. Damn.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
3:58 pm
“Well it’s kinda tough to run away real fast through 6 foot high snow drifts . ”
He’s got a point there, stands, he has a point.
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
4:04 pm
Bosch, I think of all the big-time stars, the Duke is all-time champ for sheer numbers. He used to do a lot of what they called two-reelers, sometimes as many as 10 per year. Even when he made it big, he still sometimes filmed 3-4 features per year. Most stars these days can barely get through one.
getalife
March 25th, 2011
4:04 pm
You are a palin fan dave.
You will not hear my opinion.
You are in hopey, changy, palin land.
Bosch
March 25th, 2011
4:07 pm
” Most stars these days can barely get through one.”
Isn’t that the truth, and after that, it seems their only goal is to become tabloid fodder after that and we have to watch their poor pathetic lives for all eternity. I really don’t buy the “but the press just won’t leave me alone!” Please….
getalife
March 25th, 2011
4:14 pm
The end of con lies is here.
Music thread.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 25th, 2011
4:15 pm
Elizabeth Taylor is in the movie of “eternity” now.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2011
4:20 pm
Making up caveats, Kamchak? I don’t think so. No spin as usual, Kammy-poo. Just cold, hard facts.
Amspec didn’t even mention electoral ramifications.
The Weakly Standard only gave it three sentences.
Now you silly cons come in with afterthink, and say it was all about electoral politics.
Harry Callahan
March 25th, 2011
4:36 pm
I guess Bookman is likely to start a blog regarding just about ANYTHING in order to avoid a discussion of Pbaam’s clownish foreign policy. The Libya thing could easily be turned into a Marx Brothers movie.
Adam
March 25th, 2011
5:17 pm
So, 64 senators signed a petition to get Obama to support reducing the deficit.
64 Senators? Would not a more useful solution be for them to introduce and PASS a bill to reduce the deficit? Who cares what Obama thinks when you have over 60 senators agreeing on something?
Dave R.
March 25th, 2011
5:37 pm
You’re an idiot, Kammy-poo. I GAVE you the entirety of the conversation as quoted by Paul O’Neill.
It must suck to be you.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2011
5:52 pm
Name calling.
The last refuge of the desperate.
Silhouette
March 25th, 2011
8:18 pm
The Japs are gonna keep screwin around with all this nucular stuff until they reawaken Godzilla and Megalon, then there’ll be hell to pay fer sure.
Dave R.
March 26th, 2011
10:01 am
Ignorance.
The FIRST refuge of the ignorant.
Kammy-poo
March 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
Dave R., you appear to be in a coprophilous state. Seek medical attention immediately.
Independent
March 28th, 2011
9:05 am
“An ancient design in a poor location suffered a 9.0 earthquake and a massive tsunami, and nobody died. This proves nuclear power is unsafe?”
I think you had better wait before saying “nobody died”. Radiation kills slowly – how many deaths will be attributable to this accident 100 years in the future? How many years of life have been cut from the area residents because of the radiation?
Independent
March 28th, 2011
9:12 am
Your graphic about death rates is useless unless you explain where the nubers come from. Does the coal square include mining deaths? Or does base its numbers on number of people dying of emphysema near a coal-fired plant? My wife worked in a uranium mine when she was 22 and she died of breast cancer at 42, did her death get counted as one of nuclear power’s fatalities? Also, the final total may be much higher if 100,000 people get exposed to radiation in Japan and that leads to their eventual death (even at 80). Nuclear power is one of those situations where it is very safe until you have an incident, then it is a catastrophe.