Herman Cain drops ‘friendly’ warning to American Muslims
In an interview with Christianity Today, GOP presidential candidate and metro Atlanta resident Herman Cain was asked about race and discrimination:
“Do people still discriminate in some small ways against certain people because of their color or their religion? Yes. But it is nowhere near where it was 235 years ago.
Whether we will ever reach that utopian level of all men created equal and all men being treated equal, I don’t know. You know, the journey in life is to strive to be better and better every day, to strive to be more Christ-like. Whether or not any of us get to the level of Christ himself, I doubt it, because we are human. You have secret thoughts, and only God and Christ knows those secret thoughts. And they may not be Christ-like.”
That’s well put. Later, however, the interviewer asks Cain about a speech he gave last month at a church in Milner, Ga., in which Cain recounted his successful battle against cancer. (A video of the speech is below; the section in question begins at the 5:00 minute mark). When he learned that his surgeon would be a Dr. Abdallah, Cain said, he initially balked. But when the physician’s assistant reassured him that “Don’t worry, he’s a (Lebanese) Christian,” Cain reports that he “felt a whole lot better.”
The interviewer uses that incident to inquire about the appropriate role for Muslims in this country:
“The role of Muslims in American society is for them to be allowed to practice their religion freely, which is part of our First Amendment. The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent. Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals, or practicing the Jewish faith. Eighty-five percent. One percent of the practicing religious believers in this country are Muslim.
And so I push back and reject them trying to convert the rest of us. And based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them. Now, I know that there are some peaceful Muslims who don’t go around preaching or practicing that. Well, unfortunately, we can’t sit back and tolerate the radical ones simply because we know that there are some of them who don’t believe in that aspect of the Muslim religion. So their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely, just like we should be allowed to practice our religion freely, and not try to convert the rest of us.”
“Their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely … and not try to convert the rest of us.”
In other words, they better not get too pushy, right Mr. Cain? They better recognize their place. They can be equal, but … not THAT equal.
The remarks are particularly interesting in the context of the rest of the interview, in which Cain makes a pitch for political support from the Christian evangelical community. (Cain himself is an associate pastor at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta). One of the defining characteristics of the evangelical movement is the importance it places on, well, evangelizing. You know, trying to convert the non-believing and thus save their souls. Like many in the Muslim faith, they see it as part of their religious duty.
Apparently that’s OK for Christians in this country, but not for others.
– Jay Bookman
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Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm
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WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:24 pm
“yeah, WOW, all those schools. I’m a regular Sarah Palin.”
Whaaaaaaaaa? Jay, josef said that you are an Ole Miss black bear and someone else said that you are a UCLA bruin.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
Jonix: that Buddha has a “nice pair!”
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm
“Remember when the left was crying racism when conservatives wouldn’t support Obama?”
Yep, they still do.
I guess if they don’t support Cain, then they’re racists too.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm
Is the Lockerbie bomber jerk dead from his “cancer” yet Mr. President?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm
“I guess if they don’t support Cain, then they’re racists too.”
Someone earlier called Cain an uncle tom.
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm
Did Jay just do another knock on Sarah Palin?
I guess he doesn’t appreciate a woman who’s smarter than he is.
Jay, channel some Helen Ready…….
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
“Did Jay just do another knock on Sarah Palin?”
Yep, ain’t that funny.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
Found this recent picture of our host…
http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/03/01/heres-a-first-look-at-the-new-mississippi-mascot-rebel-black-bear/
But I hear al Qaaida is out to get him…he pushed out Admiral Ackbar to get there…
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
Didn’t Bush and Gadhafi settle our differences on Halloween, 2008 Mr. President?
Under the agreement, Libya pays more than $500 million to settle remaining claims from the Lockerbie case and more than $280 million for victims of the disco bombing. It will also set aside funds to compensate victims of several other incidents blamed on Libya, although Libya has not accepted responsibility.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-31/world/libya.payment_1_disco-bombing-moammar-gadhafi-lockerbie-case?_s=PM:WORLD
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
Well, I see this blog ain’t gone nowhere. But I sure want to be retired some day like WOW so I can blog all day and all night. Life ain’t fair. Me, I got to blog on breaks and when I’m home and such. WOW just cuts loose anytime he wants to. Sometimes he gets in three in a row before anybody else can get a word in.
Have a good night everybody. And drink more beer. It’s good for my job and 401k and if you drink hard enough I’ll be butting heads with WOW for blog time pretty soon.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm
As a Penn St. grad, Jay must be really happy to see O. State’s ball coach get suspended for five games next season.
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
My bad, Reddy……
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
“Sometimes he gets in three in a row before anybody else can get a word in.’
I’m fast like that.
Pogo
March 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm
Exactly Josef. As I always knew, you are good. You see.
Jack
March 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
I don’t lose any sleep worrying about Catholics or Methodists bombing us.
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
“As a Penn St. grad, Jay must be really happy to see O. State’s ball coach get suspended for five games next season.”
If he was a Muslim, or black, or on food stamps, or homeless, or here illegally, or drove a Prius, or was a union member, or voted for the Obama, he’d be outraged!
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March 22nd, 2011
7:45 pm
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F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm
“I don’t lose any sleep worrying about Catholics or Methodists bombing us.”
How insensitive.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
JACK
“I don’t lose any sleep worrying about Catholics or Methodists bombing us.”
Good thing you don’t live in Ulster….
Moshe’s walking down the street in Belfast. Somebody grabs him, pulls him in the alleyway and puts a knife to his throat.
“Be ye Catholic or Protestant?”
“Neither. I’m a Jew!”
“All-h be praised, I’m the luckiest Muslim in all of Ireland!”
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
Okay, let me be fair…the Methodists didn’t take part in any of that sectarian violence in Ireland…
AmVet
March 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent.
Because that purview is reserved solely for you supposed Christians?
That is what I resent.
And as for that Judeo-Christian thing, I’d forget about that group before the hyphen if I were you Mr. Cain.
Unless you make history and become the first neo-con in America to get a sizable percentage of the MOT vote.
And I’d venture that the odds are better that wow posts 10,000 times this week before that happens…
@@
March 22nd, 2011
7:52 pm
How often do I come in here having no idea what everyone’s talking about?
Like now for example.
RW, if you stop by.
Was Washington State an E.R. doctor in the Pacific Northwest?
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
Would y’all quit knockin WOW’s prodidgeous posting…he can outpost me and that’s not an easy thing to do…give the boy his credit…
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
“And I’d venture that the odds are better that wow posts 10,000 times this week before that happens…”
For someone who claims that I am “obsessed” you sure do write a lot about me, Vet. As for 10,000, who cares?
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
@@
Why should you know what we’re talking about…we don’t…
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
“Would y’all quit knockin WOW’s prodidgeous posting…he can outpost me and that’s not an easy thing to do…give the boy his credit…”
MAN!!!!! I ain’t no boy, josef. Anyway, the only folks who are concerned with how much I type are the left wingers. I haven’t heard a peep out of the right about about much I post.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
7:55 pm
AmVet:
That is what I resent.
Nobody’s trying to win you over…certainly not ME. You’re a lost cause in more ways than one.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
“the Methodists didn’t take part in any of that sectarian violence in Ireland”
Did the Presbyterians or Baptists?
RW-(the original)
March 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
@@,
What great timing. I believe he was acquainted with the medical profession, but most likely as a mental patient.
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
“Unless you make history and become the first neo-con in America to get a sizable percentage of the MOT vote.”
Another nonsensical post from the resident commie.
Yawn.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
@@
You hit the nail on the head with that last post.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
@@ If you’re still around…..
You mentioned the movie, “Blackhawk Down”, I’d suggest you read the book if you haven’t. Much more interesting than the movie and the movie wasn’t bad, in my opinion.
Speaking of the Toyota Prius,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:58 pm
“Another nonsensical post from the resident commie.”
What’s really ironic is the fact that he knocks “evil Wall Street” yet josef claims that he makes a lot of money off of Wall Street.
Kind of like how Michael Moore knocks the American medical system yet he gets his diabetes medicine from the US Hospital system.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm
“Good thing you don’t live in Ulster”
I had a similar thought
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm
WOW
Shut up on that boy thing…you white!
Baptists…no. Presbyterians…the ringleaders and, in fact “the” Protestants…
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
“Shut up on that boy thing…you white!”
How do you know I’m white, josef? For all you know I could be Hispanic.
“Baptists…no. Presbyterians…the ringleaders ”
But no Southern Baptists.
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm
WOW = Words Of Wisdom.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
“WOW = Words Of Wisdom.”
No, WOW stands for my reaction to the left.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
RW:
Thanks! I stumbled on a blog called “Movin’ Meat” where the host worked in E.R., the Pacific Northwest.
At times I wonder…or wander, if you will.
(ISH)
josef:
I’m gonna take this opportunity to read your book.
Kamchak
March 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
Tock…tock…tock….
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
WOW = Way Out West
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
AmVet
Lessee what happens if Cantor gets top of the ticket! (JK)
Nonsensical post? I’d say not…but me and AmVet have been down that road on opposite sides before!
And he’s not a communist…he’s a capitalist running dog of the conspiracy of international zionist bankers…jeeeze don’t you EVER read the memos?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
“WOW = Way Out West”
Cowboy, baby!
AmVet
March 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
Fortunately, based on what I just read at the top of this thread, I’ve read little else of Mr. Cain’s “brilliance”.
But I really do hope he runs for something more than dogcatcher, so I can enjoy what certainly will be the forthcoming clips of some classic right wing talk radio gibberish he hosted.
So stinkwich, you want some figures? Some data? Some facts? Or is that like showing a cross to a vampire and you’ll scream out in pain?
It’s OK your streak of not learning anything this year is safe! (IF you don’t read on!)
Does the number 18.4% mean anything to you?
That’s the combined MOT voting percentage for the past five GOP prez candidates.
Which I believe was about the same approval rating your boy George had when he left office.
LOL….
RW-(the original)
March 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
I second Hillbilly D’s recommendation. The movie does a nice job of illustrating the scene, but the book puts you right there. Same thing goes for The Perfect Storm.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
josef nix
Why are you the one who has to explain what AmVet is?
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
WOW – take your pick: http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WOW
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
“Which I believe was about the same approval rating your boy George had when he left office.
Boy George was in office?
TaxPayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm
Personally, I have found the most intellectual honesty in peer-reviewed papers that I’ve read.
getalife
March 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
Who?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
Doggone/GA
I like “World of Words.”
Seems to fit me.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
@@
Oh, well, propaganda there, propaganda here! ISH
WOW
Pues, pode ser..meles ladino?
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm
WOW
“Why are you the one who has to explain what AmVet is?”
Cause we’re in the same boat together…
And besides, I like him…
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm
Pues, pode ser..meles ladino? translates to: As prune to be scrum crafty?
Try again, josef.
AmVet
March 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
josef, hysterical isn’t it? I show up, make a post and the Humpties goes Dumpty over me.
I resent that! LOL…
These pseudo-Christians, couldn’t get a drowning man to go to their church.
Ike got 40% of the Hebe vote. And it has all been way downhill since…
Like I said, extremely sensitive BS detectors…
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
“And besides, I like him…’
Well, I guess even the vilest of folks can have comrades.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
WOW
You said you might be Hispanic and I though maybe you might be a passanger on the Ship of Zion!
But you and me better drop it for a few minutes…with BOTH of us posting, nobody else will have the change of a prayer in h3ll of getting a word in edgewise…
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
josef, hysterical isn’t it? I show up, make a post and the Humpties goes Dumpty over me.
Nothing to call his own in ^^^ that one.
AmVet
March 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
Boy George also posts here.
At least since he was permanently banned from Ms. Tucker’s forum for being a racist and bigot. (Cue up @@ screaming “Free Speech!”)
Schnirkle…
Rock on, bro jo.
Maybe we’ll play some Matisyahu for the AmVet addicts on Friday night…
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
Did someone forget that Congress only passed a three week CR?
What’s gonna happen next week when they have to vote for more CRs?
BTW – The deficit ceiling hits in a few weeks too.
And more explosions rock Libya…
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
AmVet
Thanks for that stat on the Hebes for Ike vote…I had wondered about that…
But you sho do ruffle some folks’s tail feathers!
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:24 pm
Cue up @@ and free speech? I’ll be in her corner on that one! I like free speech…
TaxPayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm
As for the BMW M3 vs Toyota Prius,
1) No matter how you drive that BMW, you will not get better than its rated hwy mpg of 20 while the Toyota can be driven in a manner that will get you more like 49 mpg hwy (I think that’s the new rating). So, at least the guy in that video was correct in his assertion that fuel mileage is dependent on how one drives. He just failed to provide more than a half truth in order to prove his non-point.
2) The BMW base price is more than double that of the Prius so that’s a lot of differnce to make up under said optimal driving conditions for the BMW and worst case for the Prius.
3) The claims regarding environmental damage is relative. If you are going to go down that path, then one should at least list all the materials used in both vehicles along with all the fuels used in said vehicles over their lives and see how they stack up. After all, walking likely does the least environmental damage but it doesn’t do much good if we must travel more than a few miles to and from work each day or do not have food growing in our yards year round, etc.
The bottom line is that I just don’t have much faith in Herman Cain’s ability to deliver such intellectual honesty so I just could not ever see myself voting for him. How’s that for staying on post while discussing off post.
AmVet
March 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm
Vilest?
That’s a pretty big word for an Aw-burned kid!
The vocabulary of a challenged fifth grader…
No worries, josef. I just show up and it drives the droolers all Pavlovian.
I’d love to stay and taunt the clowns some more, but gotta go.
Somebody has to work and play hard around here!
Peace out…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12qtTuvWQSI
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
AmVet:
(Cue up @@ screaming “Free Speech!”)
You would prefer I take your route…the banning of?
Schnirkle…
Yet again!!??!!
Tweek on.
Schnort!!!!!
jhubers
March 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
Well said. What could be added, however, is the fact that Mr. Cain hasn’t even bothered to learn anything about his Muslim neighbors, which means that this good Christian man, who claims that his highest calling is to love as Jesus loves, is breaking one of the ten commandments most everytime he speaks about his Muslim neighbors. That’s the one that goes like this: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” The fact is, Muslims are no more aggressive, in fact, much less aggressive, in their desire to share their faith than Christians. And this nonsense about Muslims being somehow compelled to kill the “infidel” is so off base as to be laughable.
If you truly want to love as Jesus loves, Mr. Cain, stop bearing false witness against your Muslim neighbor.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
AmVet is such a celebrity he gets own booth at the Waffle House.
Tell Bert I said hello.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
AmVet
Matisyahu? Why wait for Friday,…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h55P7F8rW8A&feature=related
TaxPayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
Schnort!!!!!
Doctors have made some great advances in treating many sinus conditions. There’s no need to suffer any longer.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:34 pm
My wife and I keep fighting about sex and money. She charges me too much! I don’t get no respect!
joethepoliceman
March 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
Herman Cain is not a christian but he’s a black Klu Klux Klans spokesperson.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
TaxPayer:
How ’bout you keep your nose out of this.
TaxPayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:38 pm
The Ten Commandments are so old testament. The Newer testament opened up the option of being forgiven for one’s sins. It made wars, for example, a whole lot easier to wage.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
8:38 pm
I wonder if President Obama stares at his Nobel Peace Prize when he knows that the US is fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Gitmo and Libya.
Donald Trump folds him up like a cheap chair in November 2012.
TaxPayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:39 pm
How ’bout you keep your nose out of this.
Just tryin’ to help you out. There’s no need to get all snooty about it.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm
TaxPayer:
Just tryin’ to help you out.
Not a registered Democrat so there’s really no need.
Thanks just the same.
buck@gon
March 22nd, 2011
8:42 pm
Herman Herman come on over…….
TAG! You’re a racist and a bigot.
Nyah, nyah nyah nyah nyah!
….Jay Bookman just going through his weekly TO DO list.
Don’t we all wish the uh “mainstream press” would turn that microscope to Obama. But no. He’s just “playing the cards he was dealt,” right Jay?
Grob Hahn
March 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
Calling Mr. Cain an “Uncle Tom” is pure, ignorant racism. Also, equality is not the same as superiority. American Christians long ago learned that they are NOT in charge and that they have no right to convert anyone. Muslims must learn to understand this. As long as they act like religious supremacists they will find friction in the land of the free.
Grobbbbbbb
Kamchak
March 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
Doctors have made some great advances in treating many sinus conditions. There’s no need to suffer any longer.
Raw, local honey is the best cure for pollen related sinus conditions.
The only draw back is that it must be consumed on a regular basis several months prior to pollen season.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
“Donald Trump folds him up like a cheap chair in November 2012.”
Just as long as a sudden gust of wind doesn’t come up!
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm
“Raw, local honey is the best cure for pollen related sinus conditions.”
Amen! The honey “desensitizes” the body from attacking the pollen as invaders.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
Raw, local honey is the best cure for pollen related sinus conditions.
Nothing original in ^^^ that either.
Advice long ago give by moi!
Kamchak cared, I see.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
Kamchak
I’d agree with you on the honey. A spoonful a day works pretty good.
Midori
March 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
Happy 80th Birthday to William “Capt. Kirk” Shatner!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io&feature=related
@@
March 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
This is kind of easy…reading and blogging.
“The seventh of September was a very bad day for Mama.”
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm
Since I made it through the day and still love everybody (except Helen Thomas!
) I’ll call it a night while I’m ahead…
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Shatner ought to get some kind of lifetime achievement award for chewing scenery.
Kamchak
March 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe
Yep. I generally use biscuits as a delivery device.
Midori
March 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
aw, come on Hillbilly!!
The Shat is the man!!
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm
“Yep. I generally use biscuits as a delivery device.”
Not ‘em ‘ere “cathead” type I hope!
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm
Midori! How are you!
kayaker 71
March 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm
Bookman,
It’s never the majority of any movement that causes is the problem. But when the movement goes radical, those in the majority chose to say nothing. It is replete throughout history. Hitler and his followers, at first, were in the minority. Pol Pot and his enforcers were certainly in the minority but chose to kill gazillions of people who they deemed inferior. Do you think that Stalin who killed millions had the country and it’s people behind him? How about Marcos? He was a banana dictator of the first rate but the majority of the people went along because he was in control. The same can be said of Castro, Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe, Laurent Kabila, Mao, Pinochet, Manuel Noriega and numerous others throughout history. They were not in control at first but as time went on, they assumed control of a majority who were afraid to speak out. Herman Cain is right. And if we don’t realize this, we are our own worst enemy.
Midori
March 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
Hi Sooth.
doing good
and you?
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
Midori – “The Shat is the man!!”
Might I suggest you find out what “shat” is the past tense of….before you settle on it as a nickname? Though Shatner might actually appreciate the humor.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
Good night! Everyone. I’m in an especially good mood tonight! Who knew? I’m going to quit while I’m ahead!
Midori
March 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
LOL – Doggone.
It just sounds cool
“The SHAT!!”
joethepoliceman
March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm
Remember people, Herman’s last name is Cain. In the bilble, which supposed to be the book of the jews and christians, Cain killed his brother Abel because he was envious of GOD’s acceptance of him. Abel was blessed while Cain was cursed. There is nothing good in envy.
Billybob
March 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm
A few more of these and your far left liberal ‘intellectual superiority’ will be in serious question. I think I could ’squeeze more juice’ out of a pile of sawdust than you did in this weak attempt at squeezing and bashing Cain AND Christianity…….far left sure is scrambling for anything these days……keep it up….