Herman Cain drops ‘friendly’ warning to American Muslims
In an interview with Christianity Today, GOP presidential candidate and metro Atlanta resident Herman Cain was asked about race and discrimination:
“Do people still discriminate in some small ways against certain people because of their color or their religion? Yes. But it is nowhere near where it was 235 years ago.
Whether we will ever reach that utopian level of all men created equal and all men being treated equal, I don’t know. You know, the journey in life is to strive to be better and better every day, to strive to be more Christ-like. Whether or not any of us get to the level of Christ himself, I doubt it, because we are human. You have secret thoughts, and only God and Christ knows those secret thoughts. And they may not be Christ-like.”
That’s well put. Later, however, the interviewer asks Cain about a speech he gave last month at a church in Milner, Ga., in which Cain recounted his successful battle against cancer. (A video of the speech is below; the section in question begins at the 5:00 minute mark). When he learned that his surgeon would be a Dr. Abdallah, Cain said, he initially balked. But when the physician’s assistant reassured him that “Don’t worry, he’s a (Lebanese) Christian,” Cain reports that he “felt a whole lot better.”
The interviewer uses that incident to inquire about the appropriate role for Muslims in this country:
“The role of Muslims in American society is for them to be allowed to practice their religion freely, which is part of our First Amendment. The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent. Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals, or practicing the Jewish faith. Eighty-five percent. One percent of the practicing religious believers in this country are Muslim.
And so I push back and reject them trying to convert the rest of us. And based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them. Now, I know that there are some peaceful Muslims who don’t go around preaching or practicing that. Well, unfortunately, we can’t sit back and tolerate the radical ones simply because we know that there are some of them who don’t believe in that aspect of the Muslim religion. So their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely, just like we should be allowed to practice our religion freely, and not try to convert the rest of us.”
“Their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely … and not try to convert the rest of us.”
In other words, they better not get too pushy, right Mr. Cain? They better recognize their place. They can be equal, but … not THAT equal.
The remarks are particularly interesting in the context of the rest of the interview, in which Cain makes a pitch for political support from the Christian evangelical community. (Cain himself is an associate pastor at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta). One of the defining characteristics of the evangelical movement is the importance it places on, well, evangelizing. You know, trying to convert the non-believing and thus save their souls. Like many in the Muslim faith, they see it as part of their religious duty.
Apparently that’s OK for Christians in this country, but not for others.
– Jay Bookman
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1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm
WOW:
I posted that earlier. The libs. don’t care.
Jay
March 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm
WOW, remember our discussion about off-topic spamming?
Last warning.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
“I posted that earlier. The libs. don’t care.’
No, not until 2012 when Obama is shown the door.
Kamchak
March 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Fred
Yes, Kamchak was the only worthwhile character in that multi tome opus.
The series really goes off the rails early on.
My favorite books are by Roger Zelazny particularly the Amber series.
If you haven’t read E.R. Burroughs’ Tarzan of the Apes, do so. Hollywood never even came close to capturing that love story.
David Eddings has two or three very good series.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Uh, thanks, Scout, uh, I guess? I’ll make a note of that.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
“Last warning.”
Well, I figured since the topic was about presidential candidates, Obama was in range of the topic.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
So why did scout change his name anyways?
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
Scout
Now, now…that’s not ALL Jews…just the uppity ones! And as Sophie would say, kiss my tuchus and plant a tree for Israel!
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
It seems I recall we wuz discussin’ the war last night.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
Jay, when will you discuss the topic of Obama’s broken promises to America?
Jean Louise Dell'Aquila
March 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
The judic-christian does not convert he subverts…were you to be given a thousand years of life yet would you return to Allah. Think not o hypocrites sad u see pharisees that your king shares anything with a rabbi. He sits me myself and I. Mightily he walks stalks balks before the Muslim.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
BRUIN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITeuaqcpckc
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
Thanks Kam, I’ll avoid it based on what you wrote lol. And so I don’t get warned for off topic spam………
I don’t care for Herman Cain. I WANTED to, I listened to him when he filled in for Boortz and then tried when he had his own show, but he just doesn’t seem very bright. I don’t find him intellectually honest either. He’s a straight Republican party kind of guy. Never take a step out of bounds and of course, unlike Jesus, he wants to rule in god’s name……..
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
“BRUIN”
Who is BRUIN?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
“I don’t find him intellectually honest either. He’s a straight Republican party kind of guy. ‘
So who DO you consider “intellectually honest, Fred?
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Ah just thank Gawd Almighty we got the Sheriff riding herd on this here cattle drive!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
Fred:
I changed my handle (feel free to call me Scout or worse) so I could find my posts faster when I scrolled around.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
“Well, it’s THEIR religion ! You’re not very tolerant.”
Their right to a religious practice ends when life, liberty or property of another is jeopardized, Scout.
“By the way, we sacrifice thousands each day to the “ABORTION GOD”.”
Sorry, I’m not buying that one.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
Speaking of broken promises — Where are the half-trillion dollar savings from eliminating fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid? They’re supposed to make Obamacare deficit neutral.
godless heathen
March 22nd, 2011
6:30 pm
“Funny, I don’t remember seeing that in the Constitution. Better not tell the Jews that.”
Or us atheists.
How many followers does it take to qualify as a “religion” as opposed to a “cult”. Is there a number? Websters defines cult: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents.
Who gets to say what is orthodox besides the orthodox? All religions have some pretty whacky rituals and superstitions in my belief.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
“Who is BRUIN?”
Our affectionate name for our host.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
Enter your comments here
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl2fONPgIJE
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
Jay:
Since you’re here what are your thoughts on my 5:07 and in particular my 5:46 ???
Mark T
March 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
Wow, dont you know thats what the left does?…If its something they cant defend, they just shut down the conversation
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:33 pm
“Our affectionate name for our host.”
Does not compute.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
“Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership”
Sorry, WOW, but not quite the same as the headline implies. He’s ruling between two competing Islamic interests in a mosque disagreement. So he’s hoisting them on their own petard, as it were.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
Jay, does that mean we cain’t talk about canine flatulence no more? What about a’r freshners?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
“f its something they cant defend, they just shut down the conversation’
Or blame it on Bush, Palin, Limbaugh, Cain, Rove, Cheney, Boortz or Gingrich.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
Dave R.
I know you’re not but I believe God is. Someday we will know for sure.
“Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you”
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
WOW, you ********* he’s a UCLA Bruin!
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
Certainly not you WOW. I’m being totally honest when I say I doubt you can even comprehend what the words intellectually honest mean. You are a rigth wing fanatic. You quote whatever the Republican party line is no matter how insipid it was. If you were a left wing fanatic, you would quote those morons Michael Moore and Ariana Huffington (with a little Whoopie Goldberg thrown in) to us. What else can I say? You wouldn’t listen to it anyways.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
Dave R.
P.S.
“Snake Handling” services are illegal in all states except ………….. Tennessee …………….
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
“WOW, you ********* he’s a UCLA Bruin!”
You what? Come on Sooth, say it. UCLA Bruin? Huh, I didn’t know Jay went to UCLA.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
What is the American exit strategy from Libya Mr. President?
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
Hillbilly
(By the way…he ain’t misplaced…gone to Publix to get a chicken…)
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
Sometimes some of us (and usually me – with an occasional assist from josef) find a way to express our consternation at our host’s sometimes – misguided – assertions.
As Jay is the final arbiter of who and what stays on his blog, our expression of displeasure is sometimes referred to as “poking the Bruin” (or bear) through the bars of his cage.
Jay
March 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
You mean more of your bigotry, Scout?
No, I have no comment. It is what it is.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
“I’m being totally honest when I say I doubt you can even comprehend what the words intellectually honest mean.”
In other words, you have no clue and instead divert attention away from the fact that you haven’t a clue.
“You quote whatever the Republican party line is no matter how insipid it was. ‘
LOL!!!!! Right, and this morning you also claimed that I am on welfare.
“If you were a left wing fanatic, you would quote those morons Michael Moore and Ariana Huffington”
Divert divert divert
“What else can I say? You wouldn’t listen to it anyways.’
Let’s see: Fred calls me stupid, claims that I am on welfare and then goes off on some rant about Michael Moore.
Fred, you got issues.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
“You mean more of your bigotry, Scout?”
Wow.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
Nyunh hyunh
He’s an Ole Miss Rebel Black Bear!
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
““Snake Handling” services are illegal in all states except ………….. Tennessee ”
That’s because some in Tennessee use them for other than worshipping “services’, if you know what I mean . . .
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
“He’s an Ole Miss Rebel Black Bear!’
Who is?
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Yee how! Boy if ‘is don’t git ya, nuthin’ will
@@
March 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
No doubt!
Why Obama isn’t pushing for Yemen president to go: Al Qaeda
Obama wants Libya’s Qaddafi out, and he pushed hard for Egypt’s Mubarak to exit. Not so Yemen’s Saleh, president for 33 years. The difference: US concern about Al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula.
From the comment section:
Also, time has come for us to select Arabs masses of 150 million people and their resources including Oil or 5 million Israelis and their illegal and brutal 40-years old occupation, liability and inhumane daily killings of innocents using American arms and political help.
5 million Jews…that’s 1 million short of the number who died in the Holocaust.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
I stand corrected
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:43 pm
Thank you for proving my point WOW. You are certainly a peach. I see I am pig wrestling………..
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:43 pm
“Thank you for proving my point WOW. You are certainly a peach. I see I am pig wrestling………..’
Fred seriously needs medical attention.
godless heathen
March 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
“atheism, it’s just the religion of no religion”
The on-line edition of Websters that I use provides four definitions for “religion”. Atheism doesn’t fit any of them.
a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
“I see I am pig wrestling………..”
So you’re into that kind of thing, huh. Well it is legal in Alabama.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
What does “victory” mean in Libya Mr. President?
On your way home from South America why don’t you land Air Force 1 in Egypt and then drive over to Libya to campaign?
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Just damn Soothsayer, how do you even BEGIN a search for something like that video lol?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
“What does “victory” mean in Libya Mr. President?”
It means Kansas wins the NCAA tourney.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Fred
Who do you find intellectually honest?
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
Fred, what are a rednecks last words? “Hey, watch ‘is shee-uht!”
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
Yeah soothsayer, but the funny thing is after those words, IF he survives? You can get him to do it again by saying, “Bet you ain’t got the balls to do THAT again…….”
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
“I see I am pig wrestling………..”
“Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.”
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
What are a libs last words?
“Hey, watch me drop 10 hits of acid.”
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
“Do not argue with an idiot.”
Ah yes, more name calling by the left.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
Fred, you know what the old farmer said when the bug hit his windshield going 60 miles per hour? “I’ll bet you ain’t got the guts to do that again!”
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
What are a libs last words?
“Watch me pass this 18 wheeler in my SMART car.”
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm
Is the situation stable in Bahrain Mr. President?
Is The United States prepared to support the opposition in Iran overtly Mr President?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
Smeat
I wouldn’t be surprised if France accidentally attacks Britain in a firefight. This whole “war” is total chaos. No one knows what’s going on.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
Doggone: Something similar. To wrestle with a pig you have to get down and roll around in the pig crap. And the pig likes it.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
@@
Yemen? He better get that DADT thingie worked out before he sends troops in to prop up that regime…they execute “those people” there…but, hey, what’s a few dead homos among friends, eh? ISH
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
Jay an Ole Miss Rebel? Who’da thunk it?
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
I wonder if WOW/SMEAT knows that Jay can see the ip’s of the posters?
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm
If revolution happens in Saudi Arabia will The United States be prepared to support the monarchy by authorizing the use of military forces to secure and protect vital American national security interests?
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
“I wonder if WOW/SMEAT knows that Jay can see the ip’s of the posters?”
What does it matter, Fred?
Again, who do you find intellectually honest? Or are you gonna divert by calling me a pig, stupid and then suggest that I am on welfare.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
LOL Sooth, he’s a Yankee who graduated from Penn.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
WOW
@ 6:41
Our Scalawag host…! (poke, poke!)
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
Fred, I’m glad you’re here. I stumbled across this just today. Here is a 3kW (big enough to power most homes) concentrated solar sterling engine power generation unit that you could very easily have installed in your back. Friends, if you want a glimpse into the future, this is it.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
Who you WOW? I’m not going to read or reply to your posts. You add absolutely zero to the conversation. I actually want the 10 seconds of my life back that it took to type this post…….
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
Well, just damn! Somebody’s pulling one of my legs.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
Don’t have time to read it now Sooth, but I bookmarked it. Thanks.
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
FRED
He ain’t a Yankee by blood…he’s descended from slave owners in the Old Dominion…
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
later
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
“I’m not going to read or reply to your posts.”
You just did.
“You add absolutely zero to the conversation. I actually want the 10 seconds of my life back that it took to type this post…….’
LOL
Again: Who do you find intellectually honest? It really is a simple question.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
6:59 pm
why would I care if Jay sees my IP?
duh… wanna use the da internet,? An administrator has to wurk it dude.
When someone starts talking death threats or hack threats then they trigger the beast.
Jay lets people speak here. That’s why his blog smashes the others on ajc.com.
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
“later”
Fred Translator 2000: He is incapable of answering a simple question and therefore has to divert by using childish rhetoric.
Jay
March 22nd, 2011
7:03 pm
Fred, important correction:
Penn STATE.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
7:03 pm
Libya: Six injured as US team botches rescue of downed airmen
Libyans said US helicopter came in with guns firing, creating panic and wounding onlookers after F-15E Strike Eagle crash
BUT:
Reporters said the villagers had showed no animosity after the incident; instead, they expressed gratitude for the US-led coalition, which they said had saved them from massacre by Gaddafi’s forces.
AMAZING!
Perhaps they would understand after watching Black Hawk Down.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
“Don’t get into a pi$$ing contest with a guy who drinks beer bongs all day long” — Sun Tzu, 500 B.C.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
@@ – supposedly that video was on the net earlier but has been scrubbed somehow by someone.
F. Sinkwich
March 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
So Jay can’t stand a conservative black man. I’m shocked.
Uncle Tom !!
Please, Jay, tell us all about the positive influence Muslim immigrants have had on France and the UK — how they assimilate and all.
And doesn’t the Koran teach that lying to infidels (non-Muslims) is an acceptable and desirable Muslim practice?
Imam: “We are a religion of peace.”
My a$$.
@@
March 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm
josef:
Among friends?
You my homoboy! Well, mine and Unmentionable’s.
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
What good will come from our attack on Libya Mr. President?
josef nix
March 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm
okay, just for the fun of it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IbQgeWY3Fk
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
Penn State–now that’s more like it!
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm
“So Jay can’t stand a conservative black man. I’m shocked.’
Remember when the left was crying racism when conservatives wouldn’t support Obama?
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
You know, as I understand it, you can’t have a car on campus your freshman year at Penn State. But, they will let you bring your tractor!
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
“Penn STATE.”
And UCLA? And OLE MISS?
Smeat
March 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
When and where is Khalid Sheik Mohammed going on trial Mr. President?
From Wiki:
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, on March 1, 2003, by the Pakistani ISI, possibly in a joint action with agents of the American Diplomatic Security Service, and has been in U.S. custody since that time.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
7:17 pm
Sorry Jay. UP is the Ivy league GOOD school and Penn State is the one with the football team. My bad.
Damn wife, calls me upstairs and then gets on the phone………..
WOW
March 22nd, 2011
7:17 pm
“But, they will let you bring your tractor!’
Sounds a lot like U of Bama.
Soothsayer
March 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
“Damn wife, calls me upstairs and then gets on the phone……”
Hope you didn’t waste a blue pill! Don’t wait 4 hours, call the doctor!
Jay
March 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
yeah, WOW, all those schools. I’m a regular Sarah Palin.
Not.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
Josef: That was SO sacrilegious and so damn funny. You are going to rot in 4 out of 5 hells for that.
Fred
March 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
Call the doctor hell, I’m gonna call every woman I know…….
Jay's alter ego
March 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
“I can see Alabama from my office window!”