Herman Cain drops ‘friendly’ warning to American Muslims

In an interview with Christianity Today, GOP presidential candidate and metro Atlanta resident Herman Cain was asked about race and discrimination:

“Do people still discriminate in some small ways against certain people because of their color or their religion? Yes. But it is nowhere near where it was 235 years ago.

Whether we will ever reach that utopian level of all men created equal and all men being treated equal, I don’t know. You know, the journey in life is to strive to be better and better every day, to strive to be more Christ-like. Whether or not any of us get to the level of Christ himself, I doubt it, because we are human. You have secret thoughts, and only God and Christ knows those secret thoughts. And they may not be Christ-like.”

That’s well put. Later, however, the interviewer asks Cain about a speech he gave last month at a church in Milner, Ga., in which Cain recounted his successful battle against cancer. (A video of the speech is below; the section in question begins at the 5:00 minute mark). When he learned that his surgeon would be a Dr. Abdallah, Cain said, he initially balked. But when the physician’s assistant reassured him that “Don’t worry, he’s a (Lebanese) Christian,” Cain reports that he “felt a whole lot better.”

The interviewer uses that incident to inquire about the appropriate role for Muslims in this country:

“The role of Muslims in American society is for them to be allowed to practice their religion freely, which is part of our First Amendment. The role of Muslims in America is not to convert the rest of us to the Muslim religion. That I resent. Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals, or practicing the Jewish faith. Eighty-five percent. One percent of the practicing religious believers in this country are Muslim.

And so I push back and reject them trying to convert the rest of us. And based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them. Now, I know that there are some peaceful Muslims who don’t go around preaching or practicing that. Well, unfortunately, we can’t sit back and tolerate the radical ones simply because we know that there are some of them who don’t believe in that aspect of the Muslim religion. So their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely, just like we should be allowed to practice our religion freely, and not try to convert the rest of us.”

“Their role is to be allowed to practice their religion freely … and not try to convert the rest of us.”

In other words, they better not get too pushy, right Mr. Cain? They better recognize their place. They can be equal, but … not THAT equal.

The remarks are particularly interesting in the context of the rest of the interview, in which Cain makes a pitch for political support from the Christian evangelical community. (Cain himself is an associate pastor at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta). One of the defining characteristics of the evangelical movement is the importance it places on, well, evangelizing. You know, trying to convert the non-believing and thus save their souls. Like many in the Muslim faith, they see it as part of their religious duty.

Apparently that’s OK for Christians in this country, but not for others.

– Jay Bookman

(– h/t Jim Galloway at Political Insider)

771 comments Add your comment

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

I wonder about those of faith that seem to have so little faith in the sustainability of their own faith.

jm

March 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

oh good grief. yawn.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

That’s it, Jay???????? Geez, Obama has broken lots of his own promises, vindicated Bush and is now in the process of nation building and you’re going after Herman Cain?

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

“You know, trying to convert the non-believing and thus save their souls. Like many in the Muslim faith, they see it as part of their religious duty.”

Yeah, but we’re not flying large aircraft into NY skyscrapers.

wow

March 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

is that the best you can do…what a non-stroy….10th grade journalism at best

jm

March 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

This will thrill the lefties. These debates have gotten so boring, and lack such substance, and I feel like even Jay’s posts are starting to lack substance, or maybe the same issues are just on recycle mode, that I think it may be time to reach for the dimmer switch on this thing.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

I gots me a genuine little brother.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm

“Apparently that’s OK for Christians in this country, but not for others.”

Jay, do you talk to many Christians around the country?

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm

Seems to me the words from Herman Cain echo those of many the conservative Christian. By the way, where’s Scout. Something just made me wonder about his absence.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

Not another one! I knew he was irrational about Obama, and now this. Go back to selling pizza, Mr. Cain! And your radio show is terrible.

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation

ok, he’s officially in the Bozo Bin.

Dave R.

March 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

You can smell the fear the left has for this man if he becomes a viable candidate in 2012. They’ll have nothing of substance on which to attack him, and they can’t pull the race card unless it is to call him an Uncle Tom.

So they begin to manufacture poutrage over the slightest comments. We in the profession call it “nit-picking”.

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm

Bye, jm. And, Yawn!

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm

your radio show is terrible.

let’s be fair. his pizza sucks, too.

Race Card

March 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Dave R pulled the race card.

Race Card

March 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Does Dave R make pizzas too.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm

List of Obama’s broken promises:

1: Close Gitmo
2: End the wars.
3: End the Bush Tax Cuts.
4: End the Patriot Act.
5: Never go to war without being attacked first.
6: Never nation build.
7: Create jobs.

But please, continue the attacks on Herman Cain.

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm

Oh, my…oh, well, thank G-d for the Muslims in America…gives us Jews a break…

Joe Cool

March 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm

“Yes. But it is nowhere near where it was 235 years ago”
???
Did He Really Just Say That???

HDB

March 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

Dave R.
March 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

Calling Herman Cain an Uncle Tom would be an insult to Uncle Toms…..

Deep Throat

March 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

I don’t see anything wrong with what Herman said, it’s like Jay can think or believe what he wants, but I will not believe the puke he preaches.

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

“Yeah, but we’re not flying large aircraft into NY skyscrapers.”

Neither are American Muslims, WOW. I mean if we’re going to start judging entire religions by the actions of a few, then Muslim clergy weren’t sexually abusing hundreds if not thousands of children, while others in the clergy covered up for them. That was Catholics. Are all Catholics now to be suspected of child abuse? Or how about the Methodist Church leader arrested just last month here in the Atlanta area on charges of possessing and distributing child pornography? Does that tell us something about Methodists in general?

I would argue not. Apparently you would take the other side of the argument. Unless you would apply that broad brush in your hand solely to Muslims….

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm

WOW

Christians aren’t flying planes into skyscrapers? Has anybody told Sooth yet?

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm

Who is this guy anyway? The only time I’ve heard his name was on this blog.

Man, what a crazy day — time to sit back and enjoy some Ben & Jerry’s Chunky Monkey.

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

Regarding the pizza, I used to go to the original Godfather’s pizza back in Omaha Neb. back in the ’70s, and it was EXCELLENT!

Something was lost in the translation to corporate.

Kamchak

March 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

This will thrill the lefties.

Sarah Shahi thrills me.

Herman Cain?

No.

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm

HDB

Sorry, but Mr. Cain has as much a right as anyone else to hold whatever opinion he so chooses and set it forth afforded the public podia…that does not make him an Uncle Tom…black folks have just as much a right (and an obligation, I’d say) as anybody else to be off the wall…equality. Ain’t it grand? :-)

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

This blog is like watching two people beat each other with those styrofoam bats, as if they’re on one of those contest TV shows.

Meanwhile, off screen, the Capitol and White House are burning down.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

“Neither are American Muslims, WOW. I mean if we’re going to start judging entire religions by the actions of a few, then Muslim clergy weren’t sexually abusing hundreds if not thousands of children, while others in the clergy covered up for them. ”

Muslims flew planes into the twin towers, Jay. So sorry if that offends you but they did. Muslims weren’t sexually abusing children? Nah, instead they rape them and cut off their heads while their Imams cover it up.

“That was Catholics. Are all Catholics now to be suspected of child abuse?”

I’m not Catholic, Jay. Take it up with the Vatican.

“Or how about the Methodist Church leader arrested just last month here in the Atlanta area on charges of possessing and distributing child pornography?’

LOL!!!! You found ONE Methodist church leader with a record!!!!! One!!!!! LOL

“Does that tell us something about Methodists in general?”

Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn, wake me up when the Methodists are flying planes into buildings.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

jay…..we are a Christian country. Easy answer.

Deep Throat

March 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

WOW , you forgot his promise to govern more transparently.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

Well, I got nothing against Muslims. Long as they’re good Christians. Baptist or Holiness, I hope.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

“Calling Herman Cain an Uncle Tom would be an insult to Uncle Toms…..’

Good ole HDB!!!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

Think I’ll sit this one out, unless y’all get a good sidebar going.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

“WOW , you forgot his promise to govern more transparently.”

AH yes, that one as well.

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

No George W, we’re not.

We’re a country with a strong Christian majority, but that’s different.

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

Far more interesting. Vewy vewy interesting.

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Paul

March 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

“Because we are a Judeo-Christian nation, from the fact that 85 percent of us are self-described Christians, or evangelicals…”

“One of the defining characteristics of the evangelical movement is the importance it places on, well, evangelizing…”

Do as I preach, not as I do.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

“we are a Christian country. Easy answer.”

Funny, I don’t remember seeing that in the Constitution. Better not tell the Jews that.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm

I never tried his pizza.

Dave R, Viable? You must want Obama to get reelected.

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

JAY

It’s the Ragpickers, I tell you, but do you believe me…noooo…you’ll see, just wait…

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

“We’re a country with a strong Christian majority, but that’s different.”

Don’t know about that, Jay. The majority of Americans are too busy watching Snookie and Kim Kardasian.

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

My currency has a typo on it. I knew it was supposed to say: In Allah We Trust.

:) Someone should call the mint.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

jay….you need to read again and do your research on the founding fathers. Great work here joker.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Paul,

Well duh, the evangelicals would be evangelicals if they didn’t evangelize. See now?

cosby smith

March 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Cain hit the nail on the head..sorry, but no matter how you cut it, a cult, as I refuse to call islam a religion, that teaches “kill those who do not believe as we do” is not a religion. Since 9/11 I have not seen nor heard much outcry from the muslim’s folks regarding the jahidist or radical muslims. Until I see or hear differently, then you have to call it like you see it. Maybe charles Manson was a religion, Perhaps Mr Wright that taught Obama, all all religious fanitics, I do not know, but they all, under the guise of religion, spew hatred and violence thereby making them no more than a cult. Allow them to operate puts all in danger…wake up and smell the roses before you are pushing them up!

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

“I mean if we’re going to start judging entire religions by the actions of a few”

You just did: Apparently that’s OK for Christians in this country, but not for others.

Paul

March 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm

WOW

“2: End the wars.”

No matter how much information people provide refuting that, you keep posting it.

One more time: when did Candidate Obama say he’d end the war in Afghanistan?

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm

jm, Allah is merely the Arabic word for God.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm

Maybe that should be professed Christians as opposed to practicing ones.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm

“One more time: when did Candidate Obama say he’d end the war in Afghanistan?”

When did Candidate Obama say we should nation build in Libya?

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm

jay….please read the appendix of the constitution.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm

“jm, Allah is merely the Arabic word for God.”

And they scream ALLAHU AKBAR when they detonate bombs.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm

WOW….When did Obama say he would have Gitmo closed? Or have us all of the way out of Iraq?

Lies Lies Lies

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm

Jay 4:04 – oh I’m just kidding. I have no dog in this fight and could care less. I’m not worried about our religious freedoms getting trampled on anytime soon. Now, the financial viability of the Republic. That be a diffrunt issue.

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm

BOSCH

Well, EOI Jew Boy chiming in here, but, yes, we are a Christian nation in much the same fashion that Turkey is a Muslim nation…a secular Republic, yes…face it, I get off at Christmas and Easter, not Hannukah and Passover…does it bother me? Not in the least…but, yes, when I have to take personal days off from my government job to celebrate my holidays and my Christian co-workers don’t, it does come to mind….

Paul

March 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm

WOW

“I’m not Catholic, Jay. Take it up with the Vatican.”

Hint for discussion: when a poster makes a point, refuting with “It’s all about me” is kinda lacking…..

Dave R.

March 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

“Dave R, Viable?”

Yeah, Gelding. He meets all the prerequisites from the Harry Reid side of the equation; he’s clean, articulate, black . . . :)

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

George W

Yep, and the left continues to divert divert divert…….

Kamchak

March 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

When did Candidate Obama say we should nation build in Libya?

Divert, divert, divert.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

“Hint for discussion: when a poster makes a point, refuting with “It’s all about me” is kinda lacking….”

Sorta like you, huh.

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

Kamchak

tick….tick…..tick…..

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm

Jay…..when you do you daily prayer to Obama….do you face Mecca?

Dave R.

March 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm

” You must want Obama to get reelected.”

And no, not in a million years.

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm

If our Founding Fathers had wanted to declare this a Christian country, they could have done so in the Constitution, George W.

They did not. To the contrary, they insisted that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States,”:and guaranteed freedom of religion to all, not to all Christians.

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm

fun times

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WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm

“when a poster makes a point, refuting with “It’s all about me” is kinda lacking”

Jay didn’t have a point other than to divert attention from the fact that Muslims are responsible for most terrorist attacks worldwide.

Again, I’m not Catholic and I can’t answer for the Catholic Church.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

Jay…..agreed……ever wonder what premise the Bill of Rights were founded. You should really read the bible….there are some really easy to read versions ou there now.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

“Again, I’m not Catholic and I can’t answer for the Catholic Church.”

But you’ll be glad to pass judgement on all Muslims…..

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

“jm, Allah is merely the Arabic word for God.”

Not in some places, certain provinces of Indonesia and Malaysia at point here, where non Muslims may not use it in their services…

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm

Muslims are so repressed in this country. Whatsoever shall we do? This really needs the attention of Congress and the President.

Paul

March 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm

Hey Bosch!

“Funny, I don’t remember seeing that in the Constitution. Better not tell the Jews that.”

Aren’t Jews kinda like Christians? They just don’t know it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ZMj5RksbE&feature=related

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm

“But you’ll be glad to pass judgement on all Muslims…..”

I call em like I see em, Bosch.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

Bosch….read the Koran first and then comment back. I have read it 4 times. It is actually not a very long book. Read it and then ask yourself if you feel we are unfairly catagorizing all Muslims.

Joe Cool

March 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

“You can smell the fear the left has for this man if he becomes a viable candidate in 2012. ”

Dude Please….Bristol Palin Would Get More Votes

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

“Aren’t Jews kinda like Christians? They just don’t know it?”

Yeah, something like that, right josef? :-) And, josef, no, we aren’t a Christian nation…..so there.

jm

March 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

I found another typo. :)

“hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

harvey

March 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

How incredibly simplistic you are. The muslims don’t want just to convert people from Christianity–they want to kill them. i don’t know any evangelical who will kill someone simply because they are another faith. if you want to go through life blindly go ahead. It is a shame you spread your ignorance in an opinion column like this. About discrimination–it used to be alright to be discriminating–it meant you had taste, standards, ethics, and discriminated against those who didn’t. Hey, I make no excuses for discriminating against the ignorant, tasteless and criminal.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

Dems…..attack attack attack….Palin and Cain attack attack attack…..what are you guys so scared of?

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

George W.,

I can comment whenever I want, thanks — I don’t need permission from you, only our host.

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

The appendix to the Constitution, George W?

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

“I can comment whenever I want, thanks — I don’t need permission from you, only our host.

YOU TELL EM BOSCH!!!!!! LOL

Michael Sanak

March 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

Jay,
Sorry to tell you this, but, Herman is right. Everyone in this country has a right topractice their religion but they do NOT have the right to push their religion on any one else. Having had the dubious pleasure of living in a muslim country (Saudi Arabia) I have seen the religion up close and personal in the heart and what you have heard about the religion is only a cleaned up version of what really takes place. Once you have seen a woman stoned to death for not wearing her abyah you want to stay as far away from that religion as you can. I HAVE seen it and I do not want anything to do with it. I have several friends that are practicing muslims and have no problem with them, just as I have no issues with most christians- only the zealots. Unfortunately today, more radicalization is occuring in the muslim influence sphere and it is coming our way-look at Europe to se what we can expect soon.

Deep Throat

March 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

When will Jay post a new article about McCain wanting to implement a no fly zone over Libya.

Paul

March 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

“One more time: when did Candidate Obama say he’d end the war in Afghanistan?”

When did Candidate Obama say we should nation build in Libya”

WOW, that’s not even a half-hearted attempt at avoidance.

Please, try to put a bit more thought into it next time, ‘k?

WOW

March 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm

“WOW, that’s not even a half-hearted attempt at avoidance.”

Really?

White House: Helping install ‘a democratic system’ is goal in Libya

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/151191-white-house-suggests-regime-change-is-goal-of-libya-mission?page=1

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

Bosch

Yes, we are. We are not a Christian Repbulic, though, and that’s the point we need to keep in mind…

And I’m with Paul…Kinky’s my kind of Jew!

Joe Cool

March 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

“i don’t know any evangelical who will kill someone simply because they are another faith”

Harvey,
Do you know ANY Muslims “will kill someone simply because they are another faith”??

Better Yet, Do You Even Know Any Muslims?

Dave R.

March 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

“Dude Please….Bristol Palin Would Get More Votes”

You obviously know nothing about Mr. Cain, nor the nominating process.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

Dave R.

March 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

Good point. There is hope for you.

josef nix

March 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

PAUL, BOSCH

A Christian is a Jew with an insurance policy! :-)

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

” I HAVE seen it and I do not want anything to do with it.”

But have you seen it here, in the States? I’m thinking the answer to that is probably no, so your point is kind of irrelevant.

“I have several friends that are practicing muslims and have no problem with them,”

So why categorize all Muslims as bad if you know the opposite to be different

“just as I have no issues with most christians- only the zealots.”

Yeap. I hate fundamentalism anywhere.

harvey

March 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

Joe, yes I do know some muslims. I hope I don’t know any jihadist muslims however, and you must know those are the one to which I made reference. To ignore the obvious to make a dumb argument is specious.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

Good afternoon all. Had Mr. Cain made such comments about leftists, I would have stood to applaud. Herman is the only candidate I have supported financially in the past 10 years. I think he is now my first choice for 2012. Chairman Ann tweeted that he is her second choice, behind only the estimable Chris Christie. Mr. Cain may be able to undo most of the destruction the leftist Obama administration has wrought against this country – healthcare, energy policy, financial regulation.

Jay

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

Really Michael? “They do NOT have the right to push their religion on any one else?”

So the Jehovah’s Witnesses should be thrown in jail? We should round up all those clean-cut Mormon kids on their bicycles and ship them off to prison? Is that what you’re saying?

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

Jay….when the framers mention “year of our Lord” what do you feel they are talking about?

Andy Pence

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

Funny how Jay Bookman chose to leave out the whole “or kill them” part when they are unable to convert you to Muslim.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

josef,

“Yes, we are. ”

No, we are not, so there. (I can do this all night, you know)

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

I don’t think Jesus would claim us.

George W

March 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

Jay….I actually married a JW….she converted a year after our marriage….Very strange religion or shall I say cult.