President Obama’s decision to join our European and Arab allies in launching air assaults against Libyan forces has been criticized by some as an ad hoc, patched-together reaction rather than a carefully thought-out strategy. And to a degree, they’re right. Sometimes, an unexpected and quickly changing situation does not permit the careful application of strategy. Sometimes, you just have to play your cards as they are dealt, recalculating risk and reward as each card is flipped your way. I don’t know how this is going to play out, but so far Obama seems to be playing his hand rationally and cautiously.
Sure, intervening earlier against Gadhafi on the side of the Libyan rebels might have proved more effective in military terms, but it also would have put the United States in the position of trying to dictate outcomes in the Arab world. And not intervening at all, as some on the left still advocate, was a cruel option at best. Had the coalition not acted when it did last week, the world today would probably be sitting back and watching helplessly while a brutal Gadhafi massacred tens of thousands of his fellow Libyans.
Many of those now condemning Obama for acting would have been condemning him for not acting. That’s how these things go. As Obama himself noted in his Nobel Peace Prize speech, “I believe that force can be justified on humanitarian grounds, as it was in the Balkans, or in other places that have been scarred by war. Inaction tears at our conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later. That is why all responsible nations must embrace the role that militaries with a clear mandate can play to keep the peace.”
The fact that we are acting, somewhat reluctantly, at the urging of European and Arab allies also minimizes the geo-political risk. This is not an American initiative in which the United Nations and others are being strong-armed to support our policy; this is an international initiative which the United States has agreed to join as its most powerful member. There’s a world of difference between the two, not least because it has forced other countries to shed their infantilism and take responsibility, rather than leaving the tough decisions to Uncle Sam all the time and then grumbling about the outcome.
Obama’s critics also point out that we have no real idea how this will end, or even how we want it to end. Again, that’s accurate to a degree. However, Gadhafi himself has made it clear that he sees only two possible outcomes: victory or death. He has no third option — at this point, he can’t leave Libya to live elsewhere, and he knows it.
Publicly, coalition leaders are saying that Gadhafi is not a military target, but the smoking ruins of his personal compound in Tripoli offer more convincing evidence to the contrary. And at some point, if Western air power doesn’t take him out, his own commanders might. They now see their units being taken apart from the air, and there’s nothing they can do to defend themselves. The quickest way to make it stop is to make Gadhafi stop.
So we shall see.
– Jay Bookman
ADDENDUM: After all these years, the cynicism of Newt Gingrich continues to amaze and even disgust.
Until last week, the former speaker had been pressing Obama to intervene militarily in Libya and force Gadhafi’s ouster. “This is a moment to get rid of him,” he told Greta Van Susteren on Fox. “Do it. Get it over with.”
So what does he say now? As Politico reports:
“Newt Gingrich blasted the decision to attack Libya Sunday afternoon as “opportunistic amateurism without planning or professionalism.”
“It is impossible to make sense of the standard for intervention in Libya except opportunism and news media publicity,” Gingrich said in a statement to POLITICO, his first public comments since President Barack Obama gave the go-ahead order on Saturday.
Iran and North Korea pose “vastly bigger threats” to American national interests, he argued. There are other countries in Africa where strongmen brutalize civilians, including Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
“Mugabe has killed more people, the Sudanese dictatorship has killed more people, there are a lot of bad dictators doing bad things,” Gingrich said.
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Mick
March 21st, 2011
8:10 am
I really did not want to see us get involved in any way, the days of being the world’s policeman need to come to an end..
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:12 am
We got from the campaign promise of getting us out of Iraq(which still hasn’t happened) to now being involved in 3 wars. Great job Obozo!!!!!!!!!!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
8:14 am
peadawg
This is just another chance to bash obama, last week many on the right were all ramped up for obama to “do something”, when you are the president you can’t win..
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
8:14 am
I was not in favor of intervention as long as the protests were peaceful and tolerated. Attacking civilians militarily, by their own governement, changes the whole situation and I am in favor of this action.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:15 am
” many on the right were all ramped up for obama to “do something””
I wasn’t one of the “many”, pal. Trust me. No way in hell should be involved in 3 wars right now.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
8:17 am
Well, the first two, obama did not start but it seems almost impossible to end wars these days…
HDB
March 21st, 2011
8:17 am
“The fact that we are acting, somewhat reluctantly, at the urging of European and Arab allies also minimizes the geo-political risk. This is not an American initiative in which the United Nations and others are being strong-armed to support our policy; this is an international initiative which the United States has agreed to join as its most powerful member. There’s a world of difference between the two, not least because it has forced other countries to shed their infantilism and take responsibility, rather than leaving the tough decisions to Uncle Sam all the time and then grumbling about the outcome.”
EXACTLY THE POINT!! People like Peadawg need to note the difference!! As SecDef Gates said: We are supporting the coalition; we are part of the coalition; we are NOT taking the preeminent role in the coalition!!
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:19 am
“We are supporting the coalition; we are part of the coalition; we are NOT taking the preeminent role in the coalition!!”
It doesn’t matter whether we are supporting or taking the preeminent role. We shouldn’t be involved. We didn’t get involved in Egypt and we shouldn’t be involved now.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
8:20 am
Peadawg is correct, we never should have gotten involved in Lybia, period! Let the other UN nations handle it.
Mick, you are correct too, wars are hard to end because when a war ends the money making machne stops…can’t have that now, can we?
Murph
March 21st, 2011
8:21 am
Peadawg
I don’t post here often but I must say you do excel in Monday-morning quarterbacking. And the term you and many others use “Obozo” is incredibly disrespectful to the office of the presidency.
Unlike us rushing into the Iraq war with no real exit strategy, Obama and his team have tried to carefully make a difference in Libya, all the while improving our stance in the world.
Your comments reflect immense immaturity and the unfortunate rise of the “Me-first” world we’re living in, as well as the tantrums of a five year old.
Grow up.
Herman Cain
March 21st, 2011
8:22 am
Funny how the bedwetters that are cheering this move by little barry onj the grounds mo-mar was attacking his own people arethe same chicken littles that screamed about Bush taking down saddam when it was common knowledge the terror of mass killings and rape rooms he was putting his people through. Bush defends a people = bad, oblowbag defends a people = good. liberal = Hypocrite.
jt
March 21st, 2011
8:23 am
No declaration of War by congress.Americans did not elect the UN.Screw any and all precedences. They were illegal too.
All are war criminals and should be tried accordingly.
Thank you and have a good day.
Senior Citizen Kane
March 21st, 2011
8:23 am
I fondly recall the liberal mantra of the Bush era: Iraq never attacked us. I guess I missed Libya’s invasion of the U.S.
electrician
March 21st, 2011
8:24 am
to apply the reasoning used as to why we should have stayed out of Iraq,Ghadhafy has not attacked us and he has no Wmd’s.remember?.Civilians are going to die in large numbers by our hand.
JKL2
March 21st, 2011
8:24 am
At least Hillary has the sense to distance herself from this nutcase. The world is looking for leadership and we’re sitting here looking at this clown. I guess we’ll have to wait for the new polling data to come in to give us dirrection.
Palin fan
March 21st, 2011
8:25 am
People like Peadawg who do not support the war or the troops are unpatriotic an unAmerican. Their cowardice makes real Americans ashamed to like in the same great country as the cowards.
He is doing it, but I for 1 am surprised to see Obama take a powerful stance, fight like aworrior, and support the troops.
Herman Cain
March 21st, 2011
8:26 am
murph, having oblowbag sit at the big desk is incredibly disrespectful to the office of the Presidency. Fixed your typo for you.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
8:26 am
Sen Graham, among others, has criticized Pres Obama for taking a back seat and letting others lead this effort. Last I checked, France and UK had a lot more riding on this (oil) than we do. Those with most at risk should themselves assume most of the risk.
Did I say ‘oil’? Sorry, I meant “humanitarian principles.”
Arab League’s getting skittish, failing to see how a sustained ground-attack campaign fits in with a ‘no-fly’ zone. It’s a fair question.
Crazy dictator. Killing tens of thousands of his own people. Humanitarian disaster. Has chemical weapons.
Hmmm….. where have I heard this before? And the difference between the two is what, exactly? (someone’s already put forth the position it’s because this has a clear UN mandate. That, of course, leads to the question if Pres Bush had had a clear UN mandate, would those on the Left who proclaimed “He attacked a country that never attacked us” have been in favor of action, then?).
aps
March 21st, 2011
8:29 am
Jay, I am waiting for all the anti war libs to join together in protests around the world. After all, during the previous administration it was always about being anti war and not anti Bush. That’s the one thing about liberals one can always count on, no principals when a Democrat in the White House. Just love your excuse giving Obama a pass.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
8:29 am
electrician
“he has no Wmd’s.remember?.”
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Mullen was on news shows over the weekend stating we’re keeping a close eye on Ghadhafy’s mustard gas stockpiles.
Blitz Wolfer
March 21st, 2011
8:29 am
How dare Obama make a unilateral attack on Libya without approval from the U.N.!
Oops – Thats what the demokkk-rats accused Bush of doing in Iraq.
Scott
March 21st, 2011
8:30 am
Hey libs, where is the outrage? I am assuming this was an okay engagement to enter in because Ghaddafy was going after his own people. I guess when you guys were protesting the Iraq War, you forgot that Saddam murdered his own people on a routine basis, didn’t you? I guess for you guys it is okay to go to war as long as the POTUS has a “D” next to his name, right?
I have no problem with engaging Libya on this. I would have supported it if Bush did it. I am supporting it with Obama doing it. I wish this country could have gotten the same support from you libs on Iraq and Afghanistan.
electrician
March 21st, 2011
8:31 am
Pelosi blamed Iraq on the “oil men” in the white house.so what now?
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:32 am
“I fondly recall the liberal mantra of the Bush era: Iraq never attacked us. I guess I missed Libya’s invasion of the U.S.”
“People like Peadawg who do not support the war or the troops are unpatriotic an unAmerican” – Supporting our troops and supporting being involved in 3 wars at the same time are 2 different things.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
8:32 am
Obviously, the meatheads around here are trying to compare this with iraq. Seriously, there is no comparison, so please try another avenue of attack..
Darwin
March 21st, 2011
8:34 am
The right wing is in a dithers. Democrats know how to launch cruise missles too.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
8:34 am
At the risk of sounding somewhat flippant about Jay’s perfectly reasonable analysis–
This is not an American initiative in which the United Nations and others are being strong-armed to support our policy; this is an international initiative which the United States has agreed to join as its most powerful member. There’s a world of difference between the two
There really isn’t much difference if one of our Freedom Bombs happens to kill your family.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
8:34 am
“We got from the campaign promise of getting us out of Iraq(which still hasn’t happened) ”
He can’t keep a promise he never made
Scott
March 21st, 2011
8:35 am
Murph were you equally upset when the liberal trolls in the media, in Congress, and on forums like this called Bush names? For sure you were out rallying everybody to stop the disrespect of the office, weren’t you?
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
8:35 am
The UN should take the lead and keep the lead in this effort, not the US. We should be just one of many fighting together to rid the world of a brutal dictator.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:35 am
“Seriously, there is no comparison”
How so?
Iraq never attacked us but had a dictator who killed his own people, so Bush, a Republican, attacks Iraq = Liberal outrage and protests!!!
Libya never attacked us but has a dictator who kills his own people, so Obama, a Democrat, attacks Libya = Free pass
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:37 am
Doggone/Ga –
“I will begin to remove our troops from Iraq immediately. I will remove one or two brigades a month and get all of our combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months. The only troops I will keep in Iraq will perform the limited missions of protecting our diplomats and carrying out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda.” — 10/2/07, Chicago
What about there being a promise he never made?
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
8:38 am
I probably shouldn’t bother with the usual pissing matches, but…
What about there being a promise he never made?
There’s this little thing called the Status of Forces Agreement negotiated between governments, that happened since 10/2/07. Had Obama broken that agreement, would you be happier?
Scott
March 21st, 2011
8:38 am
Doggone….you sure have a selective memory. How can you argue against the facts like that? He said he was going to get us out of Iraq and guess what…..we are still there.
electrician
March 21st, 2011
8:38 am
Paul..sounds the same to me, I had no problem with saddam being taken out,WMD’s or not.different administrations different justifications.in 1998 Clinton justified an airstrike on Iraq based on the WMD suspicions and all was well with the left.its on the other foot now.
Palin fan
March 21st, 2011
8:38 am
Peadawg probably doesn’t remember the attack of the American plane over Lockerbee, England either. How convenient.
But that is the type of pig-ignorance to expect form cowards who do not support the troops, the wars and the Great Office of the Presidency of the United States of America (maybe not Obama, but you have to support the office).
moonbat betty
March 21st, 2011
8:39 am
war for oil!
war for oil!
war for oil!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 21st, 2011
8:39 am
“Publicly, coalition leaders are saying that Ghadhafy is not a military target, but the smoking ruins of his personal compound in Tripoli offer more convincing evidence to the contrary.”
Jay:
O.K. so tell me:
1) Why it would have been so wrong to have our CIA with a little (or lot) of money, a bullet or two or some poison, etc. to have taken out this satanic idiot years ago thus saving thousands of lives and untold money and misery …………..
2) But it’s o.k. now to try to do the same thing with British missles ?
Basically, it’s because we have become gutless on how to solve issues early on as well as “eat up with the dumbs”.
jt
March 21st, 2011
8:40 am
A voice of reason…………drowned out by shrill partisonship……..ignore at your own peril….A little “shock and awe will keep your minds off of.5 dollar gas and 5 dollar eggs I suppose……….Clintonesque…………
“It is alarming how casually the administration talks about initiating acts of war, as though Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not exist. Frankly, it is not up to the President whether or not we intervene in Libya, or set up “no-fly” zones, or send troops. At least, it is not if we follow the Constitution. Even by the loose standards of the War Powers Resolution, which cedes far too much power to the president, he would have no authority to engage in hostilities because we have not been attacked — not by Gadhafi, and not by the rebels. This is not our fight. If the administration wants to make it our fight, let them make their case before Congress and put it to a vote. I would strongly oppose such a measure, but that is the proper way to proceed.”
Ron Paul
ty webb
March 21st, 2011
8:40 am
and just think…we could’ve already gotten Osama if we hadn’t taken our “eyes off the prize” with this whole libya mess.
Scott
March 21st, 2011
8:41 am
Stands….the point is that he campaigned on getting us out of Iraq. He has broken his campaign promise. Perhaps he should have said….”I will honor our SOFA but will do everything in my power to pull us out of Iraq” Instead, he wanted to make it sound like he was going to do everything to get us out….probably to woo ignorant voters such yourself.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 21st, 2011
8:41 am
“In Libya, Obama playing the cards he’s been dealt”
No, he’s playing the cards that during the campaign he told everyone he could win with.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
8:42 am
I don’t suppose anyone’s terribly interested in discussing the actual topic at hand, right? We’re all here to settle scores about what the other side said in years past that we still consider to be unreasonable?
If that’s so I guess I’m outa here. Later.
Scott
March 21st, 2011
8:42 am
Ty webb….Awesome.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
8:43 am
one other thing:
Perhaps he should have said….”I will honor our SOFA
The SOFA was negotiated and completed after the election, dumbass.
Jeez.
MiltonMan
March 21st, 2011
8:43 am
Kudos to the Obozo! Excellent job calling in precision missile strikes while on a satellite phone and partying in Brazil at the same time. This guy has skills! Only took him 30+ days to make a decision.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
8:44 am
Ty,
I bet Osama is dead and has been for years. We are not being told so because then we would demand that our troops come home. The War Machine doesn’t want that because, like I said before, the cash flow would stop.
Senior Citizen Kane
March 21st, 2011
8:44 am
“Peadawg probably doesn’t remember the attack of the American plane over Lockerbee, England either. How convenient.”
Oh, so this is retaliation for a terrorist attack 22 years ago? Hate to spoil it for you, but Reagan already settled that score.
Bob
March 21st, 2011
8:44 am
better late than never but if Obama had acted two weeks ago, the nutjob would be out. It is funny watching some of the libs squirm watching their guy bomb a country that never attacked us.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:44 am
“I don’t suppose anyone’s terribly interested in discussing the actual topic at hand, right?”
Yes, you’re right. My apologies. Let’s discuss how Jay and other liberals are giving Obama a free pass for getting involved in a war with a country that never attacked us yet when Bush got involved in Iraq there was outrage. Let’s do discuss…..
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 21st, 2011
8:44 am
Actually, if he is assassinated (and that’s what it would be) I am going to miss those cute little uniforms he designs for himself.
Espcecially, the hat that sets on top of his “fro”.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
8:45 am
Mick
“Seriously, there is no comparison,” (with Iraq)
Nice, general dismissal.
Care to provide a few specifics on how it’s not comparable?
Scott
March 21st, 2011
8:46 am
Stands…A SOFA CAN be changed dipshit. Are you trying to convince us that Obama would make this campaign promise without knowing that a SOFA is going to be created? Come on now. He is the POTUS. He could have said Iraq to pound sand and that he was going to honor his campaign promise. It is sad that you know he lied but yet you are so love with the guy that you give him a free pass on the thing.
Jay
March 21st, 2011
8:46 am
When Obama fabricates an excuse to invade and occupy Libya, and then does so with only a fraction of the ground troops needed to govern the place, THEN you’ll have your apples to apples comparison.
Until then, the far closer comparison is Bosnia, where a no-fly zone succeeded in fending off genocide.
Jay
March 21st, 2011
8:47 am
Oh, and I added an addendum to the post.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:47 am
“But that is the type of pig-ignorance to expect form cowards who do not support the troops”
Seeing as you’re a Palin fan I can see how you don’t get it. I support the troops…they are just doing what they are told. But no, I don’t support being a part of 3 wars at one time. If that makes me “unpatriotic” in your eyes, well frankly my dear, I just don’t give a damn.
USMC dawg
March 21st, 2011
8:47 am
I guess there is a split in the Democratic Party between Jay Bookman and his Comrade Louis Farrakhan:
Farrakhan Warns Obama: ‘Be Careful, Brother. Who The Hell Do You Think You Are?’
http://www.hapblog.com/2011/03/who-hell-do-you-think-your-are.html
Mick
March 21st, 2011
8:47 am
Cons, your silliness is out of line, take a deep breath and try to think rationally….
p.s. the childish names for the president are really self flagellating.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:48 am
Jay @ 8:46
You spin me right round baby right round….so sad.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
8:48 am
Peadawg – what part of “COMBAT troops” did you not understand? “The only troops I will keep in Iraq” – means not ALL the troops will leave. Which means we WON’T BE OUT OF IRAQ as you stated.
Cletus Turdeau
March 21st, 2011
8:48 am
Middle East- World War 3. The greatest of the holy wars. Addendum- Newt is a Nut!
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
8:49 am
“He said he was going to get us out of Iraq “]
No, he didn’t
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
8:50 am
What is interesting is how the War First, War Last, War Always fake conservatives in the GOP are suddenly quite mealy mouthed about this act of war by the US President.
Had it been by his predecessor – the worst ever – they would be extolling his vision, bravery and decisiveness. There is virtually no difference whatsoever between George and his half-black nephew.
The clueless neo-cons, including the newly crafted Dem variety, and their kids have ZERO credibility on all matters military. The big talkers are almost to a man, flip-flopping, card carrying, draft-dodging members of the 101st Chairborne.
As for the actions themselves, there is one word – deplorable.
Senator Paul said it well:
We have to remember a no-fly zone is an act of war. What moral right do we have to participate in a war against Libya? Libya hasn’t done anything to the United States. They are not a threat to US national security. There is no constitutional authority for a President to go and place a no fly zone on other countries around the world.
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
8:50 am
It is likely American military action is Libya will produce the same results as Vietnam, the Gulf war, the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan; pain, anguish and sorrow in the families of many American soldiers and big smiles of happiness on the faces of those in the Military-Industrial Complex.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:51 am
So now Doggone/GA is going to argue a technicality, not the fact that Obama lied. Man I love Mondays!!!!!
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
8:51 am
“Until then, the far closer comparison is Bosnia, where a no-fly zone succeeded in fending off genocide.”
That’s exactly how I see it also
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
8:51 am
AmVet, be careful with that broad brush you are painting with big guy.
USMC dawg
March 21st, 2011
8:52 am
Even though I totally disagree with Michael Moore, at least he is Consistent, unlike other Liberals this morning…
Filmmaker Michael Moore Rips President Obama Over Libya
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/20/filmmaker-michael-moore-rips-president-obama-libya/#ixzz1HEoYeer7
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/20/filmmaker-michael-moore-rips-president-obama-libya/?test=faces
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
8:52 am
Newt Gingrich is the epitome of the Republican Party. He’s increasing his popularity amongst the GOP constituency with each remark.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
8:53 am
Do you guys really think that if President Obama tried to go it alone and get the approval of Congress, it would have happened any sooner? Yeah, Right.
Newt changes his opinions faster than he changes his panties. What a totally corrupt person he is.
Mike
March 21st, 2011
8:54 am
122 of 124 missiles fired at Libyan targets are ours, but we only have a limited role….right. Talk about playing to your base….It is fun watching these left wing pansies peeing all over themselves and trying to cover for the President at the same time.
John
March 21st, 2011
8:54 am
Bookman, you and your lefties are such hypocrites. If the Prez were GOP, you’d be screaming how we’re now invading yet another Muslim country, while we still are occupying 2 others.
Hypocrites!
Ohoh
March 21st, 2011
8:55 am
At least France has some balls. Imagine that.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
8:55 am
Jay 8:46
Which is why I asked, IF there’d been a UN vote right before military action against Iraq, IF there would have been support amongst his critics. Didn’t get bogged down with WMDs/no WMDs, ground forces/no ground forces (yeah, we had ground forces in Bosnia) – it was more designed for the big picture idea.
But I can see from the posts that’s going pretty much nowhere. So it gets back to a question raised here years ago: under what circumstances does the US justify military intervention in another country based on humanitarian grounds?
Personally, I think it’s pretty fuzzy. There seems to be a general idea that as long as there’s a whole lot of people being killed (or in Libya’s case, at risk, not dead yet, but we think it just might happen) and so long as we don’t see many Americans killed, it’s a good thing.
Regarding Newt: ““It is impossible to make sense of the standard for intervention in Libya” – it’s a decent question. What is the standard?
Jay
March 21st, 2011
8:55 am
As to Obama’s “broken promise” in Iraq, let’s first take another look at the pledge:
“I will begin to remove our troops from Iraq immediately. I will remove one or two brigades a month and get all of our combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months. The only troops I will keep in Iraq will perform the limited missions of protecting our diplomats and carrying out targeted strikes on Al Qaeda.”
Now let’s take a look at what has actually happened. By August 2010 — 19 months after Obama’s inauguration — the last U.S. combat brigade was removed from Iraq from a peak of more than 140,000, leaving an estimated 50,000 troops to hunt down al Qaida and protect U.S. diplomats, the Green Zone, etc.
Since August 2010, we have suffered a total of 23 fatalities in Iraq.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
8:56 am
USMC Dawg,
Is your hatred of President Obama making you take sides with the likes of Farrakhan? Says a lot about your character…or lack of it.
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
8:57 am
Doggone, I am glad that you supported Bush in his war also, We all know that Hussain killed many more people that Ghadaffi has, you’re a true American.
Jimmy62
March 21st, 2011
8:57 am
Gingrich is a tool.
We should start following the Jimmy62 Doctrine. When a foreign government starts killing its own people for reasons like dissent, then the US military should bomb the leadership of that government out of existence. And then leave and let the country pick up the pieces, with the unspoken warning that whoever ends up in charge better not make the same mistakes, because we will be happy to come back and repeat the process as many times as it takes till a government that serves the people comes to power.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
8:58 am
“At least France has some balls. Imagine that.”
I was wondering how long until the “Manly Man I Have More Testosterone Than You” argument would be made.
godless heathen
March 21st, 2011
8:58 am
Who cares as long as ragheads are dieing?
The Teleprompter Caliphate of Socialist Union thugs
March 21st, 2011
8:58 am
Yes, we can smell it – all over the world – the revolution, comrades!
Thanks comrade Barack. The capitalist peegs’ collars should be
getting tight.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
8:59 am
I see the left wingers are in a bit of a bind over this.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
8:59 am
Paul,
“I was wondering how long until the “Manly Man I Have More Testosterone Than You” argument would be made.”
I take pills for that…
jt
March 21st, 2011
8:59 am
Actually AmVet………….your boy Nader said it BETTER———————————-Eventhough ,he almost single-handedly brought down our automobile industry……….I salute him…—–
“Nader says. “Why don’t we say what’s on the minds of many legal experts? That the Obama administration is committing war crimes. And if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached.”
Jay
March 21st, 2011
8:59 am
Paul, I think the call for standards is naive. The range of possible situations is far too large and complex to pretend that a formal standard can be used. You can’t intervene in all of them, and you shouldn’t intervene in none of them.
As to ground troops in Bosnia, no, we did not have or use them. AFTER the peace accord was signed in Dayton, US forces were used to help run the place. But they were not used to impose the settlement.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:00 am
“Since August 2010, we have suffered a total of 23 fatalities in Iraq.’
Yep, the Bush/Petraeus surge worked. You know, the one Obama didn’t support?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:00 am
In other news, gas prices went up 7 cents.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
9:00 am
Peadawg, no worries, little guy!
It makes the professional bloodlusters feel better about their lack of spine. But their hatred for BHO puts them in a helluva quandary.
And gawd forbid, even if plane loads of flag-draped coffins start coming home to Dover AFB once again, the neo-cons won’t give a ____. They just desperately want to see more dead Muslims. The details, sides, issues, etc are irrelevant…
Common Sense
March 21st, 2011
9:01 am
We could have let the others address it if the felt so inclined. They did not need our help.
And we could have taught the world we would not be policing the world forever.
We chose to stay the course of electing a politician who says one thing and does another….
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
9:01 am
Jay, so it takes 50,000 troops to protect the Green Zone? and it’s a joke to say we are hunting down Al qaida, we can’t even find Bin Laden after almost 11 years.
You are blinded by Obama, please take the blinders off.
John
March 21st, 2011
9:01 am
“When Obama fabricates an excuse to invade and occupy Libya, and then does so with only a fraction of the ground troops needed to govern the place, THEN you’ll have your apples to apples comparison.”
C’mon Jay! This is an old, tired and absolutely incorrect argument. The entire friggin world thought Saddam had the weapons. Is everyone a liar? Where were you in all this? I don’t recall seeing you appear before Congress, telling them how all of the intelligence is wrong. I also don’t recall seeing you appear before any public body calling out General Powell as a liar either.
Put your money where your mouth is, big boy. How about you running for office and telling the rest of the planet all of the answers. You and Bill Maher are 2 peas in a pod.
Senior Citizen Kane
March 21st, 2011
9:02 am
Bush fabricated an excuse?
Even David Kay acknowledges:
“Based on the intelligence that existed, I think it was reasonable to reach the conclusion that Iraq posed an imminent threat.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:02 am
“Obama’s critics also point out that we have no real idea how this will end, or even how we want it to end.”
Jay, who are these “critics” you point out? Reminds me of a strategy MSNBC uses when they can’t point to specifics.
EX: Norah O’Donnel to Pat Buccanan.
Norah: “Pat, some say that the GOP doesn’t have a strategy to win in November.
Pat: “Who are “some,” Norah?”
Norah: “Well, let’s move on.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:03 am
“But their hatred for BHO puts them in a helluva quandary.”
It’s a grand thing to see when the tables turn on the left. When it was Bush hatred it was ok. When it’s BO hatred, it’s evil. Got it.
Corey
March 21st, 2011
9:03 am
Obviously Mr. Obama, and the leaders of Canada. UK, France, Belgium, the Arab League, Spain, Quatar and others know a lot more than meets the eye. This is not only about protecting rebels from the whims of a dictator. Wait for Bob Woodward’s book.
Palin fan
March 21st, 2011
9:04 am
The fake conservatives are not supporting our troops or the war against Lybia. They are unpatriotic. America will win this war against Lybia just like we won the was against Iraq.
Real conservatives, not like the claimed veterans on here, Peadowg and Newt – all RINOs, support war, our troops, the presidential office.
Jay
March 21st, 2011
9:04 am
What do you mean, EVEN David Kay?
Kay was the man handpicked by Bush to head the post-war Iraq Study Group.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:05 am
“As to ground troops in Bosnia, no, we did not have or use them.”
Bosnia was Clinton trying to draw attention away from cigargate. Nothing more, nothing less.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
9:06 am
“not the fact that Obama lied”
I can’t argue a “fact” that doesn’t exist
Normal
March 21st, 2011
9:06 am
The way I see this days blog is that the Righties will say President Obama is bad even if he starts changing water into wine, no compromise, period.
The Lefties for the action see it in an idealistic view, I think, in that saving the downtrodden, the underdog, is our national job.
Other lefties, like myself, see it as unnecessary for us to be involved. Let the UN handle it, or let it be. It’s really not our business and Lybia poses no harm to our Country.
In fact, if I had my way, I would follow Ron Paul’s doctrine and bring our troops home, period.
Now I have work to do…
Play nice!
Jay
March 21st, 2011
9:07 am
WOW, how about Sen. Richard Lugar, the GOP’s top foreign policy expert:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/03/20/Sen-Lugar-fears-Middle-East-quagmire/UPI-97411300640312/
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:07 am
“The Lefties for the action see it in an idealistic view, I think, in that saving the downtrodden, the underdog, is our national job.’
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
9:07 am
“Eventhough ,he almost single-handedly brought down our automobile industry…”
???????
I’m not even gonna ask…
And like him, not being a member of the Republicrat Parties, I don’t waffle in the wind based on who is in the White House…
“Based on the intelligence that existed, I think it was reasonable to reach the conclusion that Iraq posed an imminent threat.”
And insanity, it would seem, never goes out of fashion…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:08 am
“WOW, how about Sen. Richard Lugar, the GOP’s top foreign policy expert:”
What about him, Jay? You said “critics” plural.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:09 am
Jay
Standards, criteria, go/no-go. If you thought I meant “if N people die and we think American casualties will be less than C” then I miscommunicated. I used ‘circumstances” and said it’s all pretty ‘fuzzy.’
Being part of a UN coalition is a lot different than taking lead on every mission. And for that, we don’t need a $700 billion a year military.
Regarding Newt’s comment: he’s smart enough to know, and deceptive enough to not state, we don’t go after the N Koreas of the world because they can do us great harm. Libya’s pretty much a ’safe’ operation.
Thanks for the correction on Bosnia. I was thinking of a specific case, must’ve happened right after the settlement, wherein an Army officer was standing down a Bosnian officer over an on-site inspection. Bosnian was pretty threatening until an AH-64 Apache helo appeared.
But, the emphasis some like to place on somehow ‘no ground troops’ is ‘better’ is, I think, misguided. Air power wouldn’t have done anything to have stopped the killing of nearly a million in Rwanda. Sometimes ground forces are the only option.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:09 am
Jay
So Lugar sees a quagmire in the Mid East. Imagine that?
Deep Throat
March 21st, 2011
9:09 am
Nobel Peace Prize = joke,
Obama =Joke’
Nuff said !
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
9:09 am
“Doggone, I am glad that you supported Bush in his war also”
Don’t cheer too louldy…I didn’t support Bush in HIS WAR
Haywood Jablome
March 21st, 2011
9:09 am
I’m gonna fire my own heat seeking missile into Labia.
Senior Citizen Kane
March 21st, 2011
9:09 am
“Kay was the man handpicked by Bush to head the post-war Iraq Study Group.”
And he concluded Iraq had no WMDs.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
9:10 am
Ah, so REAL Conservatives support being involved in 3 wars at the same time and attacking countries that haven’t attacked us. Thanks for clarification, Palin fan!
Normal
March 21st, 2011
9:10 am
Before I go…
WOW,
You should read this…
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-gas-prices-fall-880033.html
buck@gon
March 21st, 2011
9:11 am
The difference here is that the United States has become a follower for the first time in decades instead of a leader. For that, we have the UN as a supposed “higher authority” and the urging of the ubiquitous Arab states who demand this or that. Obama can’t even get his rhetorical story straight until the UN brings him kicking and screaming into action. Witness Hillary Clinton’s stronger position.
So, what obama has done is play golf, go to Rio, pick brackets and gaze at his own navel while awful news stories appear about Libya and while always-friendly Washington reporters scratch their heads in wonder why an American President is allowing a slaughter on display before God and the world on television–many of them probably wondering why he doesn’t just go on television himself, show his face, speak eruditely (with whistling s’s) and strike the rest of the world with such awe that they will give up their hate and struggle.
Truly, this act of follow-the-leader by Obama is what in the eyes of European leftists, Marxists and dimwitted editorialists is post-justification for giving HIM the Nobel peace prize. Congratulations Mr. President. Your dithering has earned it for you!
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:11 am
It looks like the cons on here really have their panties knotted up this morning.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
9:11 am
Nothing on Democrats asking if this is an impeachable offense, Jay.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html
I’m with him on this one. This was a correct decision. I suspect with not a little Hillary persuasion. It’s probably not going to play well with the LIberal/Dem base. May cause him some grief in 2012. However, it was correct. The Arab League is starting to back pedal on their support. With friends like these, huh.
Haywood Jablome
March 21st, 2011
9:11 am
Deep Throat
9:09 am
Nobel Peace Prize = joke,
Obama =Joke’
Nuff said !
How do you feel about what god said in the bible. You should go into the bumper sticker business.
Jay
March 21st, 2011
9:11 am
WOW argues:
“Bosnia was Clinton trying to draw attention away from cigargate. Nothing more, nothing less.”
An interesting claim, given that the no-fly zone etc. was imposed in 1995, leading to the Dayton accords, while news of the Lewinsky affair didn’t break until 1998, three years later.
Once again, that time machine ….
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 21st, 2011
9:13 am
“PUTIN: UN RESOLUTION ON LIBYA RESEMBLES MEDIEVAL CALLS FOR CRUSADES…
Condemns ‘trend’ of US military intervention…”
Hummmm ………….. Knight Obama leading the Crusades ???
moonbat betty
March 21st, 2011
9:13 am
The attacks on lib-ya would be ok if the u.n. would pay us a $billion/hr. for our time!
Or would that be like paying ourselves?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
9:13 am
Uh, who are we ‘protecting’? What do these rebels really represent? That is what kills me. Are these the same type rebels that repeatedly raped the western reporter? Are they actually pro-democracy? Are they Iran backed Shiites like in Bahrain? Will this bite us in the rear later?
Palin fan
March 21st, 2011
9:14 am
Peadawg, if the attack against the plane over Lockerby wasn’t an attack, what is? If holding Americas hostage is not an attack, what is, genius?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 21st, 2011
9:14 am
Jay, gret article. Newt’s position changes would be laughable if they were not coming from a man who thinks he can be president and some who would vote for hum,
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:16 am
So it appears what we’re left with is the Left is pretty much okay with attacking another country and working for regime change as long as the UN gives the go-ahead.
And they’re okay with interpreting “no fly zone” as “attack any ground targets you think the regime might use.”
And even though not many people have died but a whole bunch might die. Soon. Especially if we don’t attack.
And as long as a ruler who’s been in power for decades is shown to have done bad things.
And it’s really okay if we didn’t want to do anything originally, but our allies kept saying “we’re going in, you really should be there.”
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
March 21st, 2011
9:16 am
Jay:
Not going to take a “shot over the bow” on my 8:39?
Out for awhile ………. check in later.
Peadawg
March 21st, 2011
9:16 am
Like someone said on the first page, Palin fan, but Reagan took care of that, didn’t he? Your name, “Palin fan”, says all I need to know about you. Nutjob.
Vinny
March 21st, 2011
9:17 am
Obama apologists like Bookman are merely enablers of his incompetence
kayaker 71
March 21st, 2011
9:17 am
Banana dictators have been killing their own for a long time. Robert Taylor, al-Bashir, Edi Amin, Gaffadi, Seku Toure, Pol Pot, Mengistu Haile Marian, Robert Mugabe, Issayas Afeworki, Siad Barre, Laurent Kabila, Hissene Habre, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, not to mention that machete war in Rwanda where the wrong tribe brought you a little short of arms and legs. Why is this one any different? Oil, my friend, oil. Why was Iraq and Kuwait any different? Oil, my friend, oil. None of the above, except Gaffadi had any oil. It is the elephant in the living room.
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:17 am
RE Newt. Silly season is upon us. AKA, presidential election cycle.
Daedalus
March 21st, 2011
9:19 am
Kyle Wingfield has already branded Obama’s policies in Libya and absolute failure, since Obama is solely to blame for this mess, there is really no point in prolonging this debate.
So, how’s your NCAA Bracket holding up?
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:19 am
moonbat betty
“The attacks on lib-ya would be ok if the u.n. would pay us a $billion/hr. for our time!”
Or, as Trump asked, “Why isn’t the Arab League, who asked us in, paying for this party?”
(not an exact quote, but he did reference the hundreds of millions we’ve spent already)
Jay
March 21st, 2011
9:20 am
Paul writes:
“So it appears what we’re left with is the Left is pretty much okay with attacking another country and working for regime change as long as the UN gives the go-ahead.
And they’re okay with interpreting “no fly zone” as “attack any ground targets you think the regime might use.”
First, a good portion of the left is NOT okay with this. Second, the UN resolution calls not for a no-fly zone but for “all means necessary” short of actual invasion.
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:20 am
RE Obama in Libya. Easy to criticize the other guy (Bush) until you’re put in the driver’s seat (the Oval Office). Newt maybe a hypocrite. So is Obama. Politicians of almost all stripes stink.
Mitch, Mitt, or Johnny H 2012.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:20 am
“An interesting claim, given that the no-fly zone etc. was imposed in 1995, leading to the Dayton accords, while news of the Lewinsky affair didn’t break until 1998, three years later.”
You’re right, Jay. I got Kosovo and Bosnia mixed up.
The term Kosovo War or Kosovo Conflict is used to describe two sequential, and at times parallel, armed conflicts in Kosovo. From early 1998[21] to 1999, the war was between the army and police of FR Yugoslavia, and the Kosovo Liberation Army. From March 24, 1999 to June 11, 1999,[22] NATO attacked Yugoslavia, and ethnic Albanian militants continued battles with Yugoslav forces, amidst a massive displacement of population in Kosovo estimated to be close to 1 million people.
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
9:22 am
Doggone, I was being sarcastic about supporting Bush, I was showing everyone how two faced you are. Daddam killed a lot more people that Ghadaffi has, yet you support Obama. You are the biggest Hypocrite that has ever written on this blog.
What trash.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:22 am
“First, a good portion of the left is NOT okay with this.”
Sounds like a conundrum for the left.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:22 am
So, the cons on here must be upset that Obama is working with other nations in accordance with a UN resolution. How shockingly awesome. What will they do next. Demand that Congress not allow any open funding of this effort.
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
9:22 am
Meant Saddam
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:22 am
Jay 9:11 – Bill’s original Obama bombing (not Bosnia) and Lewinsky did coincide. People did theorize it was an attempt at distraction. History obviously shows that was a totally bogus theory.
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:23 am
scuzee. “Obama bombing” = “osama bombing”
saki bombing?
Call it like it is
March 21st, 2011
9:24 am
Well to quote Dennis Green…The Obamas are what we throught they are, They’re who we thought they were, and they are who we thought they were. Another president getting us into another area that we dont need to be in. Its not a right thing, its not a left thing. Its all about power. You can say what you want when your running for Pres, but in the end you do the same thing. Still in Iraq, still in Afg, still in Gitmo, now in Libya. Yeah, the left thinks there is such a hugh difference between your man and the other guys man. Dont see it.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:24 am
The Big Dither
Obama was right to back a no-fly zone over Libya. But he should have done it weeks ago.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/03/20/the-big-dither.html#
RW-(the original)
March 21st, 2011
9:24 am
The SOFA was negotiated and completed after the election, dumbass.
Just passing through, but if the BS flag hasn’t been thrown on that one yet I’m tossing it now. Completed, yes, negotiated, not even close. 2 free throws and the ball for whomever stands is calling a dumbass.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for the topic the more confusing thing to me is the statement back when Obama wasn’t willing to do anything that Colonel G/Q must go and now that the rebel forces are fractured we’re setting up a no-fly zone that only seems to preserve the status quo. Let’s hope that what Jay B alluded to is correct and one of those Tomahawks will “accidentally” veer off course into the Mo-mans tent.
Later
godless heathen
March 21st, 2011
9:24 am
I agree with the mission to attempt and stop the Liberian military from killing the rebels. The administration has stated that the removal of Daffy Duck is not the mission. However, if Daffy stays in power, this will not look good. He has got to go and the administration needs to be forthcoming with its goals.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:24 am
“Bill’s original Obama bombing (not Bosnia) and Lewinsky did coincide. People did theorize it was an attempt at distraction. History obviously shows that was a totally bogus theory.”
WAG THE DOG.
big un
March 21st, 2011
9:25 am
Vinny @9:17 wins this morning’s prize for astute comprehension. And in so few words. Well done!
JB
March 21st, 2011
9:25 am
Obama had total control for two years. Now we find ourselves with 9.5% unemployment( really 15%) 14 trillion in debt, Gas heading to $4 ( not his fault as of today, but liberal lack of Energy policy killing this country). Rising food prices.Campaign promises unfulfilled right and left after he gets in and see’s the REAL world. Landslide historic losses in Mid terms. Very weak on leadership, even by his on party. AWOL when ( golfing,traveling)the you know what hits the fan. I thought I would never say this as a hard core Republican, But I wish Hillary would of been elected. At least she has a set.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
9:25 am
“You are the biggest Hypocrite that has ever written on this blog.”
Hate to tell you this, but it isn’t hypocritical to see that there are differences between 2 unrelated situation. If you’re going to claim we attacked Saddam Hussein because he killed his own people, then why did we wait something like 10 years to do it? We had him contained by a no-fly zone.
I see a huge difference between attacking someone for a 10 year old offence and attakcing someone for an IMMDIATE offence. And anyway, there’s always Lockerbie. It just took us 22 years to get around to it…right?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:26 am
The Audacity of Golf
No-Change You Can Believe In!
Mark Steyn
By the time you read this, President Obama will be taking a well-deserved break from the 54th hole of today’s scheduled golf game and the grueling responsibility of picking out his Final Four priority high-speed-rail projects on ESPN by relaxing on a beach in . . . Libya? Japan? No, Brazil. Oh, here he is now:
“Tall and tan and young and lovely
The boy from Spendaholica goes walking
And when he passes
Each one he passes
Goes ‘Aiiieeeeee . . .’”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/262499/audacity-golf-mark-steyn
Whaheema
March 21st, 2011
9:26 am
So we “joined our allies” in the attack on Lybia? You mean we did ALL the heavy lifting. No offense to our allies but Bookman’s spin is foundationally dishonest. After weeks of dithering Clinton finally shamed Obama into action. It’s now all his.
itpdude
March 21st, 2011
9:26 am
Bookman, Gingrich is what passes as “smart” in the GOP. Funny, eh?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
9:26 am
Let’s take a look at things.
1. Why is the Arab League endorsing this when they did not endorse everthing else? What is their motive?
2. Who are these rebels?
3. Will this bite us later?
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:27 am
NO MORE WAR!
Ich bin war weary.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:28 am
Israel gets attacked…..again. No word from the left.
JERUSALEM (AP) — Palestinian militants fired two rockets into southern Israel on Sunday and Israeli troops killed two Palestinians in a new outburst along the volatile border with Gaza.
larry
March 21st, 2011
9:30 am
I dont support the no-fly bombing zone just like i opposed Bush’s war on Iraq. I dont think we should get involved and i am very sure we do not have the money.
I think if we gave it a little bit more time , the Lybian military would have turned against him. Just like what happened in Egypt.
larry
March 21st, 2011
9:31 am
2. Who are these rebels?
3. Will this bite us later?
Exactly !!
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
9:31 am
“Sounds like a conundrum for the left.”
And I’m loving it. Still behind Barry’s decision though. I wouldn’t have done it. Not a lot of sympathy for the Libyans. It’s funny, I read an article about this calling it the “liberal way of war”. It’s basically Bush 1 and Desert Storm. Ally consensus, etc.
Atlanta 1
March 21st, 2011
9:31 am
Not as easy to defend a President then to attack on – huh Jay. Go back and read your column – you would have been better off leaving this one alone.
Any way you shake this – he came across weak and had to be pushed into this by the French (of all Nations) and British. Should be fairer to the French; they are one of our most dependable allies these days.
Frankly, I like the fact that he is careful about comitting our forces, but this case was clear cut – meaning we may have missed the chance to help a muderous dictator be taken out by his own people.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:33 am
(Jay at 9:20)
“First, a good portion of the left is NOT okay with this”
I know – there’s a call in Congress now to actually bring forth articles of impeachment, by Democrats. And there’s all kinds of angst over the War Powers Act.
But as far as the Left on this blog…. seems it’s an accurate comment, absent Normal and… who else?
” Second, the UN resolution calls not for a no-fly zone but for “all means necessary” short of actual invasion.”
I really don’t see how attacking tanks, pickup trucks, etc it necessary to enforce a no-fly zone. That sure as heck wasn’t the interpretation over Iraq.
Which is why the Arab League’s getting uneasy.
Fletch
March 21st, 2011
9:33 am
I’ll remain silent on the topic as long as we don’t have to go back to ordering “freedom fries”.
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
9:33 am
Doggone, You are the one who claimed that you support going to war to help Libya and it’s people, not me. Don’t try to flip it to me.
I don’t think we should be in any war, and I think we should bring all our troops home. Most libs are choking on this as they ripped Bush for going to war but now that Obama has done the same thing you are finding any excuse you can to support him.
Jay & Tucker must choking on this one.
RB from Gwinnett
March 21st, 2011
9:33 am
I just want to see you libs hold Obama to the same standard you did W. He has now attacked a soverign nation that did not first attack us and he did so without congressional approval. If this is not your definition of meddeling in the middle east which you blamed bush for to cause muslim hatred of us, what is it?
Speak up lest you be accused of having a double standard.
big un
March 21st, 2011
9:34 am
It is alarming, if not interesting, that the formerly doveish liberal types, who during previous administrations decried missle attacks on soveriegn nations without direct provocation, seem giddy at the prospect of their guy, BHO, lobbing a few hundred million dollars worth of deadly explosives onto Libyan soil. They even speak of “taking him out”. When did that cease being murder? Wouldn’t you peaceniks be more true to your mantra by insisting Col. Nutjob be arrested and put on trial? Think about it. How can you have any integrity when you support these attacks. Don’t hide behind a U.N. resolution this time, as the airstrikes are what you railed against many times before.
jconservative
March 21st, 2011
9:34 am
I have heard no one explain why it is necessary for the US, the UN or NATO to intervene in a civil war in Libya.
And do not tell me that a bunch of people were being killed is the reason for the intervention. The US has about 40,000 people killed every year in traffic accidents. And no one is calling for the UN to intervene.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
9:34 am
HermanCain: Funny how the bedwetters that are cheering this move by little barry onj the grounds mo-mar was attacking his own people arethe same chicken littles that screamed about Bush taking down saddam when it was common knowledge the terror of mass killings
Morning HermanCain!!! Still having problems with parallels and problem solving 101 huh? Bush & Co., (If you ain’t with us you’re aggin us), took on Iraq without credible data and without an exit strategy and by themselves; which meant that we had to pay for it by ourselves. With a UN initiative the costs of engaging LIbya will be spread around. These are just some facts, and I know how facts hurt your head, so I won’t give you too many at once.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
9:35 am
“Once again, that time machine ….”
More times than not, when I peruse past the con-piffle, I can’t help but think of the famous Monty Python line, “Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?”
Like I said, the immoderate chickenhawks are in one huge quandary. Thought they loved it, their lack of testicular fortitude precluded them from cheering (out loud) when BHO surged into Afghanistan. But out of their lips came this strange noise – quite amazingly, they suddenly got “war weary”!
LOL at the not-so-clever transparency.
But now, given this choice opportunity for more bloodshed, the BushCorp Crusaders are really in a pickle. And what the hell if more of our marines, soldiers, sailors and airman die needlessly? What good is it having those guys, if we’re not using/losing them?
Do the fake conservatives want to see more Muslims get killed (YEAH! Of course!) – even if they have no clue who’s who or what’s what? And which “side” we are supposed to be cheering on?
Or should they focus their hypocritical opprobrium at their historical enemy, the Uppity Muslim without a Birth Certificate?
More laughs from the fringe…
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
9:35 am
jcon: I have heard no one explain why it is necessary for the US, the UN or NATO to intervene in a civil war in Libya.
One word – OIL.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:35 am
TaxPayer
“What will they do next. Demand that Congress not allow any open funding of this effort.”
Actually, I believe that’s what some Congressional Democrats are talking about.
williebkind
March 21st, 2011
9:36 am
If the left is going to include war in their foreign affairs, then we must bring back the draft. I want more liberals on the battlefield.
jt
March 21st, 2011
9:36 am
For this kind of money……..every Libyan (that wanted) could have been resettled in Los angeles.
The only good to come of the latest “war’ was to expose Left-wing maniacs and Obama apologists.—————I am sure that Obama hates this as much as his followers do.Birthers have nuthing on these guys———————-but anyhoo….let us keep the prisoners busy and the corp profits rising———————–
Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles(missels have a shelf-life,,,,,,gotta use them).
This spring, the United Arab Emirates is expected to close a deal for $7 billion dollars’ worth of American arms. Nearly half of the cash will be spent on Patriot missiles, which cost as much as $5.9 million apiece.
But what makes those eye-popping sums even more shocking is that some of the workers manufacturing parts for those Patriot missiles are prisoners, earning as little as 23 cents an hour. (Credit Justin Rohrlich with the catch.)
The work is done by Unicor, previously known as Federal Prison Industries. It’s a government-owned corporation, established during the Depression, that employs about 20,000 inmates in 70 prisons to make everything from clothing to office furniture to solar panels to military electronics.
One of the company’s high-tech specialties: Patriot missile parts. “UNICOR/FPI supplies numerous electronic components and services for guided missiles, including the Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC-3) missile,” Unicor’s website explains. “We assemble and distribute the Intermediate Frequency Processor (IFP) for the PAC-3s seeker. The IFP receives and filters radio-frequency signals that guide the missile toward its target.”
double
March 21st, 2011
9:38 am
All you Bush supporters-search,read April Glaspie-Saddam thought he was given permission to attack Kuwait-No weapons MD none found by inspectors.Saddam backed by USA against Iran.Yeah we meddle,bully the small weak in the name of humanity,or is it oil,and global dominance?And give some thought to Ossetia & Abkhazia where do we stand if the big dog gets into picture?
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:39 am
DDR, others
US didn’t ‘go it alone’ in Iraq. There were a couple of dozen countries with forces involved.
big un
March 21st, 2011
9:41 am
The U.S. will be hated in the region even more now. The new found “ally”, the Arab League, is already hedging and will leave us holding the poopy end of the stick. Obama did not lead on this, but followed after being pushed. He was played for the fool he appears to be and will pay the price. One can say the U.S. military is in a secondary position all day long, but sane people know different. Here we go again, playing the world cop. Cha-Ching, Cha-Ching, Cha-Ching.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:42 am
AmVet
Are you on the no-fly list?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 21st, 2011
9:42 am
Well, if we only had President Romney and his Special Mormon Underwear we could of kicked this Towelhead’s butt already and had all of Libya’s oil for ourselfs.
It don’t matter to me what his Illegal Kenyan does. It’s all his fault, no matter what he tries. I’m with Peadawg and Old Newt. We’ll find something to blast him about. And we’ll keep blasting till we got a good Conservative Republican in the White House.
Impeach Oblammer! He’s a bad shot or else we would have pictures of the pieces of that Towelhead flying thru the air and splattering our TV screens.
And have a good day everybody.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:43 am
“I want more liberals on the battlefield.”
If that happens, they’ll all wave the white flag and head on over to our enemies pow camp. When that happens, they’ll be seen on tv protesting the USA.
JB
March 21st, 2011
9:43 am
You guys are correct. Ole Barry got shown up by the French…LOL… The French, and had little choice……Well, once the UN…LOL Told Barry it was OK……. This is to rich. Would of loved to hear is old preacher Sunday talking about Chickens coming home to roost…….. Being president is giving this guy fits…..When in fact, he dreams of being a life long Dictator. He probably Envies ole Momar………
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
9:44 am
Most libs…
I just want to see you libs hold Obama…
The answers cannot be found at the bottom of a bong, boys.
I think you repudiated neo-cons are just making up shiite to desperately fit your own delusions.
Otherwise, who exactly are all of these libs? Names? Quotes? Anyone? Bueller?
In fact, I’ve seen numerous libs on this very thread speak out AGAINST this move.
Put up or….
Morning, Paul.
US didn’t ‘go it alone’ in Iraq.
Technically true, but other than, and even including, England, the “coalition” was a complete farce. And why we bore 93% of the casualties (UK 4%) and cost…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:45 am
“There were a couple of dozen countries with forces involved.”
That’s not what the Democrats who signed onto the Iraq War said.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:46 am
I just want to see you libs hold Obama to the same standard you did W.
What I thought would be real funny is for the cons to hold W to the same standards that they are trying to hold Obama to — the moving target standard, the it’s up if you say it’s down and vice versa standard.
Paul,
I wonder if these Dems in Congress that you didn’t identify will be able to muster enough votes to put forth legislation to recommend against open funding of this effort.
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
9:46 am
Murph @8:21 am Unlike us rushing into the Iraq war with no real exit strategy, Obama and his team have tried to carefully make a difference in Libya, all the while improving our stance in the world.
Assuming you meant the 2nd Iraq war, we hardly rushed in. There were a list of UN resolutions passed over several years and diplomacy and inspections and embargoes were all employed for several years. Pres. Bush sought and received Congressional approval before taking any action, and this debate lasted more than a month in Congress before passing convincingly.
Wikipedia on UN resolutions:
In March 2003 the United States government announced that “diplomacy has failed” and that it would proceed with a “coalition of the willing” to rid Iraq under Saddam Hussein of weapons of mass destruction the U.S. insisted it possessed. The 2003 invasion of Iraq began a few days later.
Prior to this decision, there had been much diplomacy and debate amongst the members of the United Nations Security Council over how to deal with the situation. This article examines the positions of these states as they changed during 2002-2003.
Prior to 2002, the Security Council had passed 16 resolutions on Iraq. In 2002, the Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441.
In 2003, the governments of the U.S., Britain, and Spain proposed another resolution on Iraq, which they called the “eighteenth resolution” and others called the “second resolution.” This proposed resolution was subsequently withdrawn when it became clear that several permanent members of the Council would cast no votes on any new resolution, thereby vetoing it. [1] Had that occurred, it would have become even more difficult for those wishing to invade Iraq to argue that the Council had authorized the subsequent invasion. Regardless of the threatened or likely vetoes, it seems that the coalition at no time was assured any more than four affirmative votes in the Council—the U.S., Britain, Spain, and Bulgaria—well short of the requirement for nine affirmative votes.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 is a United Nations Security Council resolution adopted unanimously by the United Nations Security Council on November 8, 2002, offering Iraq under Saddam Hussein “a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations” that had been set out in several previous resolutions (Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986, and Resolution 1284). [1]
Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq’s breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by its troops during the 1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that “…false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq’s obligations.”
On September 12, 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush addressed the General Assembly and outlined a catalogue of complaints against the Iraqi government.[1] These included:
* “In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq supports terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments….And al-Qaida terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq.”
* The United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 2001 found “extremely grave” human rights violations
* Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
* Iraq used proceeds from the “oil for food” U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
* Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.
Following the speech, intensive negotiations began with other members of the Security Council. In particular, three permanent members (with veto power) of the Council were known to have misgivings about an invasion of Iraq: Russia, China, and France.
On November 8, 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15-0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab countries such as Syria voted in favor, giving Resolution 1441 wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution.
On the Authorization:
An authorization by Congress was sought by President George W. Bush soon after his September 12, 2002, statement before the U.N. General Assembly asking for quick action by the Security Council in enforcing the resolutions against Iraq.[4][5]
Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002, in conjunction with the Administration’s proposals,[2][7] H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10, 2002, by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning, at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002, by a vote of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President Bush on October 16, 2002.
The resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:[2][3]
* Iraq’s noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
* Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a “threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region.”
* Iraq’s “brutal repression of its civilian population.”
* Iraq’s “capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people”.
* Iraq’s hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the alleged 1993 assassination attempt of former President George H. W. Bush, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
* Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
* Iraq’s “continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations,” including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
* The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, and those who aided or harbored them.
* The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.
* Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.
The resolution “supported” and “encouraged” diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to “strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq” and “obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.”
The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States “as he determines to be necessary and appropriate” in order to “defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:46 am
“I think you repudiated neo-cons are just making up shiite to desperately fit your own delusions.”
That’s our AmVet!
USMC dawg
March 21st, 2011
9:47 am
What happened to Hillary Clinton’s claim last week that “No-Fly Zones” are a bad idea and have never been effective?
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
9:47 am
“…they’ll all wave the white flag…”
The United States Army now accepts inductees up to the age of 42.
What is your excuse, this time?
F. Sinkwich
March 21st, 2011
9:47 am
Haliburton !!!!
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:47 am
AmVet
Just like to get the details correct before we analyze the situation and to see if those details give a misleading impression. It give a whole different tenor to the conversation to say ‘we went in and stayed alone”
than “we assembled others to go with us but the results – in money and casualties – weren’t much different than if we’d gone in alone.”
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
9:49 am
Peadawg: Supporting our troops and supporting being involved in 3 wars at the same time are 2 different things.
Engagement in Libya is NOT a war – we have sent troops in to Somalia, the Balkans, and Yugoslavia — and were not “at war” with any of these countries. That’s because these were not wars — they were military engagements. Iraq and Afghanistan WERE wars, (Bush has already signed a declaration, [SOFA], for us to get out of Iraq before he left office and Obama also has set a timetable to draw down troops in Afghanistan. Your argument is false, misleading, and a downright lie.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:49 am
US didn’t ‘go it alone’ in Iraq. There were a couple of dozen countries with forces involved.
Some of those countries sent as many as two or three non-combat personnel, didn’t they.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:50 am
“The United States Army now accepts inductees up to the age of 42.
What is your excuse, this time?”
This is why I love, AmVet. He goes around assuming he knows all, sees all and yet hasn’t a clue as to who served.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:50 am
Have mercy, MPercy. Post a link, not a book.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
9:50 am
“Most libs are choking on this as they ripped Bush for going to war but now that Obama has done the same thing you are finding any excuse you can to support him.”
I am not finding “any excuse” to support him I am in favor of this as an INTERNATIONAL effort. I would not support it as a unilateral one. I would have preferred that we stay out, to tell the truth, and let Europe and the Arab Leagues deal with it, but since it’s a UN resolution we would probably get involved anyway. If not sooner, then later.
Philip
March 21st, 2011
9:51 am
Still waiting for the anti-war libs to do their backpeddling. Oh, how I love thee hypocrisy.
F. Sinkwich
March 21st, 2011
9:51 am
No Blood for Oil !!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:52 am
“Post a link, not a book.”
Yeah Percy, libs can’t read books, remember?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:52 am
OBAMA LIED, LIBYA DIED!!!!!
OBAMA LIED, LIBYA DIED!!!!!
OBAMA LIED, LIBYA DIED!!!!!
OBAMA LIED, LIBYA DIED!!!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:52 am
NO BLOOD FOR GE
NO BLOOD FOR GE
NO BLOOD FOR GE
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:52 am
“The United States Army now accepts inductees up to the age of 42.”
Really? Awesome…. I assume you still have to get through basic training somehow though….
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:53 am
What is your excuse, this time?
He has to stay here and defend blogland from invaders. It’s a tough job.
jconservative
March 21st, 2011
9:53 am
“Let’s discuss how Jay and other liberals are giving Obama a free pass for getting involved in a war with a country that never attacked us…”
If the criticism of Bush for attacking Iraq was valid then the criticism of Obama for attacking Libya is valid. And the reverse.
But that is not the point. The point is do we want the USA to be the military enforcer of our morals?
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:53 am
WOW – fab work
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:54 am
jm, it’s easy, but thanks.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:55 am
BUILD CARS NOT BOMBS
BUILD CARS NOT BOMBS
BUILD CARS NOT BOMBS
BUILD CARS NOT BOMBS
BUILD CARS NOT BOMBS
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:55 am
MAKE BRACKETS NOT WAR
MAKE BRACKETS NOT WAR
MAKE BRACKETS NOT WAR
MAKE BRACKETS NOT WAR
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:56 am
WEAR MOM JEANS NOT CAMO
WEAR MOM JEANS NOT CAMO
WEAR MOM JEANS NOT CAMO
WEAR MOM JEANS NOT CAMO
WEAR MOM JEANS NOT CAMO
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:56 am
jm – obama is a war monger….
whether he’s a reluctant warrior, or a willing one, the result is the same. We’ve now had 4 successive administrations of war… hmmmm
JB
March 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Funny reading Reports of of the Soviet Union and China this morning. Just watch them react in their own country to any kind of uprising from the “folks”. Trust me, they would not involve the UN or the World as to what to do….
jm
March 21st, 2011
9:56 am
weird. somehow I wrote a post to myself. wtf
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Did Gingrich hire WOW to operate his bumper sticker machine.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:56 am
STAY IN 56 STATES NOT ARAB STATES
STAY IN 56 STATES NOT ARAB STATES
STAY IN 56 STATES NOT ARAB STATES
STAY IN 56 STATES NOT ARAB STATES
STAY IN 56 STATES NOT ARAB STATES
F. Sinkwich
March 21st, 2011
9:57 am
LOL WOW
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
9:57 am
MPercy: Pres. Bush sought and received Congressional approval before taking any action, and this debate lasted more than a month in Congress before passing convincingly.
With false, misleading data and intelligence ===>> WMD’s.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
9:57 am
WOW@9:52
Ok, enough of that.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:57 am
“Did Gingrich hire WOW to operate his bumper sticker machine.”
If he did, he just created more jobs than Obama’s stimulus package.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
9:58 am
TaxPayer
“I wonder if these Dems in Congress that you didn’t identify will be able to muster enough votes to put forth legislation to recommend against open funding of this effort.”
IMHO, not a snowball’s chance.
The ‘cut off funding’ was my interpretation from a Politico piece and a piece about Sen Boxer’s opposition. Was concerned mostly with how Pres Obama did consulted with alllies, consulted with Arab League, but did not consult with Congress. Spoke of their displeasure and some definite actions and possible actions, such as funding. I usually read those listings in a news story as background from those interviewed as could happen. Good reporters don’t go off on speculation and editorializing in a news story.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
9:58 am
How old is WOW? Shouldn’t he be in school?
jt
March 21st, 2011
9:58 am
Bids are already open…………for Libya———————————-(the authorities are interested in prisoner transport and/or prisoner manufacture in Libya itself)———-
“Government agencies are required to buy goods from Unicor, according to a Congressional Research Service report (.pdf). And no wonder: the labor costs are bordering on zero. “Inmates earn from $0.23 per hour up to a maximum of $1.15 per hour, depending on their proficiency and educational level, among other things,” the report notes.
(snip)
The missiles are then marketed worldwide — sometimes by Washington’s top officials. Last year, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates pitched the Patriots to the Turkish government last year, a diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks reveals: “SecDef stressed that ‘nothing can compete with the PAC-3 when it comes to capabilities.’”
Patriot assemblers Raytheon and Lockheed Martin aren’t the only defense contractors relying on prison help. As Rohrlich notes, Unicor “inmates also make cable assemblies for the McDonnell Douglas/Boeing F-15, the General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin F-16, Bell/Textron’s Cobra helicopter, as well as electro-optical equipment for the BAE Systems Bradley Fighting Vehicle’s laser rangefinder.”
Last year, Unicor grossed $772 million, according to its most recent financial report.
Remember……..they hate us for our freedom.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:58 am
“Ok, enough of that.”
Why?
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
9:58 am
jm:9:56
Thank you. You made my morning. LOL
WOW
March 21st, 2011
9:59 am
F. Sinkwich
It’s so much fun to turn the tables on the same libs who cried about Iraq.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:00 am
Jay, Um, yeah. BTW, when is Obama going to get permission from Congress to wage war? This same question was posed on Meet the Press. Since when does the President get to declare war without Congress’ permission?
Inquiring minds want to know.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:00 am
“when is Obama going to get permission from Congress to wage war?
He doesn’t have to in this case.
james
March 21st, 2011
10:00 am
I do hope that Obama moves toward playing from stregnth as a, excuse me- the, world leader. Continue to build support largely with Europe. Play China, Russia, Venezuela, for what they are- non participants in areas of human rights. Have as a first goal, the threat to the Libyan people. Second, clearly state that US should be repaid for 600 million + (to date) of costs through reduced UN costs or directly with oil from Libya afterwards.. That is a hell of a lot of teacher’s and firemen that should be funded completely from the source.
electrician
March 21st, 2011
10:00 am
Debbie.ple.vietnam wasn’t “war” either.but with aircraft,bombs and guided missels landing on people it really doesnt matter what you call it,the human sheilds are in place.get ready for the collateral damage reports.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:01 am
If not fossil or Nuclear, where do Libs think we ought to get our energy? A 100 acre wind farm won’t run a gas grill…….
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:01 am
BUILD HIGH SPEED RAIL CARS NOT HIGH SPEED MISSILES
BUILD HIGH SPEED RAIL CARS NOT HIGH SPEED MISSILES
BUILD HIGH SPEED RAIL CARS NOT HIGH SPEED MISSILES
BUILD HIGH SPEED RAIL CARS NOT HIGH SPEED MISSILES
BUILD HIGH SPEED RAIL CARS NOT HIGH SPEED MISSILES
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:02 am
“He doesn’t have to in this case.” Cause he’s a Dem?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:02 am
“If not fossil or Nuclear, where do Libs think we ought to get our energy?”
The sun.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:02 am
“Why?”
You’re just gloating now.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:03 am
jm
No, I can’t remember the exact verbiage but the US President can intervene without Congress’ permission. Other presidents have done it before.
Lawrence
March 21st, 2011
10:03 am
To Jay…Obama can do no wrong. That is typical of him, a bleeding heart liberal.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:03 am
RE Energy. Someone pointed out something funny this morning. There’s a nuclear plant in TX that produces as much energy in 1 week. As Solar Energy has produced in the LAST 10 YEARS.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:03 am
Joel Edge
I’m just having a little fun with our anti-war crowd.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:04 am
If wind power is so great, why did Ted Kennedy ban them near his own house?
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:04 am
WOW 10:03 – it’s pretty clear we are engaged in an act of war. By any literal definition, only Congress can declare war. Except when the Constitution gets run through the shredder.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
10:05 am
It’s so much fun to turn the tables on the same libs who cried about Iraq.
Is that what you call that.
A 100 acre wind farm won’t run a gas grill…….
I hope not.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:05 am
WOW 10:04 – cause old people, in particular, old senators, are senile.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:06 am
Fun and anti-war. Two words that are never linked. Good work, but these people are serious.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:06 am
“By any literal definition, only Congress can declare war. ”
It’s not a full-scale war, jm. It’s like Clinton/1993 on steroids. Remember when Muslim terrorists bombed the WTC in 1993? Clinton had a battleship shoot a few missiles into an empty warehouse and a couple of sand dunes to pretend like he cared. Same with Obama in this case.
Obama cares more about his NCAA bracket than he does about freedom in the Mid East.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:08 am
“…and yet hasn’t a clue as to who served.”
Oh, I have a helluva clue.
I can smell Dick Cheney juniors from a mile away!
And jm is right, I seriously doubt that your average flabby neo-con could get through boot camp…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:08 am
John Boehner to President Obama: Define the mission
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51617.html#ixzz1HF8KS2Qj
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:08 am
The jokes about Palin crack me up. No, I don’t want her as President, but roll back the clock 21/2 years and let 100 CEO’s look at Her work history vs Obama’s to be hired to RUN SOMETHING, 90 CEO’s would hire HER. I just don’t get what great things he did. Missing half his senate time and voting “present” is not an accomplishment. Also, Palin could have documented her record. We can’t find a living soul who knew him at Columbia, just say’n.
JIMBOB (aka James Robert)
March 21st, 2011
10:08 am
Good new article by Jared Israel on this. The US government is forcing the Muslim Brotherhood on one country after another. And our ‘liberal’ watchdog media covers for it by squealing only of ‘lobbies’ that would NEVER advocate such policy…
Del
March 21st, 2011
10:09 am
Jay, did his best to defend Obama, however, there were a few too many “and to a degree, they’re right” comments, which says that Jay has some skepticism, himself to a degree. The hard fact is that Obama was dragged kicking and screaming into this military action in Libya, by his own secretary of state along with, France, the U.K. and the Arab League. Gates says that in a few more days military leadership will be handed over. I wouldn’t recommend taking that to the bank. If Qaddafi continues ground attacks on his opposition there could very well be escalation requiring ground force operations. Guess what country would need to provide military leadership in that event.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
10:09 am
Lots of dancing around the subject, but I’ve yet to hear, regarding our participation in the US-authorized no-fly zone in Libya:
those who are opposed to Pres Obama’s actions: why?
those who are in favor of Pres Obama’s actions: why?
big un
March 21st, 2011
10:09 am
Solar energy is what grows things we eat, just like it has since time began. Fossil energy is what powers the cultivating and harvesting equipment so we don’t starve to death. Nuclear energy should be what illuminates our stores and homes so we don’t bump into each other while grocery shopping and spill food on ourselves while eating. It is a pretty simple matrix to understand, but requires some logical thinking and reasoning capability.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
10:11 am
RE Energy. Someone pointed out something funny this morning. There’s a nuclear plant in TX that produces as much energy in 1 week. As Solar Energy has produced in the LAST 10 YEARS.
From my perspective it’s a sad testimonial to American ingenuity, or the lack thereof. We should be capable of so much more. Perhaps if we put as much emphasis on advancing as a society as we do on advancing the bottom line or whatever.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:11 am
Oh Jay, that last comment was all in good humor.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:11 am
WOW- I’m not trying to be argumentative.
“It’s not a full-scale war, jm”
But is there such a thing as a half-scale war? Really? I mean, to be intellectually honest on this, I think he should’ve run through congress.
What they’re really doing is saying: I have to get permission for ground war, but as long as I’m using our totally superior air power, I can do whatever I want.
We’ve launched 120 cruise missiles, dropped 1000 pieces of ordinance probably totalling 1 million pounds of explosive. And we’re not at war. I don’t think so. We’re at war, under a pseudo flag of the UN, and only using air power. But we’re at war, make no mistake about it.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:12 am
“flabby neo-con could get through boot camp…”
Well, speaking for myself and my entire engineering company during OIF 1, we went over and did our jobs. Average age in the late thirties. I joined back up in 2001 at age of 44. Thanks for the support.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:13 am
jm
Again, Obama isn’t breaking any rules/laws by going after Libya. I can’t remember the exact verbiage but Obama can act without the approval of congress.
Ramzad
March 21st, 2011
10:14 am
It amazes me how isolationist the Right has become, or is it that all American interventions are wrong except the
ones Republicans start? There was a time when America believed that injustice anywhere was injustice everywhere,
but now, particulary on the Right and among Tea Party Taliban injustice for blacks, Latinos, gays and the poor is
just a political strategy. The Right and TPT are shameful to the declaration of “We the people……..”
Obama is late in Lybia, but at least he woke up to the reality of Gadhafi’s thirst for blood.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:14 am
Completed, yes, negotiated, not even close. 2 free throws and the ball for whomever stands is calling a dumbass.
RW, cribbing from Wiki: it was signed by the Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker on November 17, 2008. Ratified by the Iraqi parliament ten days later.
How is that not “negotiated?”
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
10:14 am
Nuclear energy should be what illuminates our stores and homes so we don’t bump into each other while grocery shopping and spill food on ourselves while eating.
Or we could all just glow in the dark and cut out the middle man.
F. Sinkwich
March 21st, 2011
10:14 am
GROW DEBT NOT DEATH !
GROW DEBT NOT DEATH !
GROW DEBT NOT DEATH !
GROW DEBT NOT DEATH !
GROW DEBT NOT DEATH !
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:15 am
“There was a time when America believed that injustice anywhere was injustice everywhere,
but now, particulary on the Right and among Tea Party Taliban injustice for blacks, Latinos, gays and the poor is
just a political strategy. ”
Yep, it’s all the rights fault.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:15 am
WOW 10:13 – yes, you’re correct. The Executive Branch has taken liberties to describe its ability to wage war outside the confines of permission from Congress. Congress, spineless as it is, has not been inclined to snap the leash on the EB.
So the Constitution continues to get perverted.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:15 am
Let’s cut to the chase. How many Libs on here will vote for this guy again in 2012? Just a simple yes or no, not conditions…………….. Who wants more of this?…………(This will be good)
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
10:16 am
electrician VietNam was not a war? WTF!! Hmmmmm perhaps you need to go back to school and take a refresher course in American History. Just saying……..
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:16 am
“How many Libs on here will vote for this guy again in 2012?”
They all will.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:17 am
Ok, would love to continue this debate, but gotta actually go do stuff…. cheers.
getalife
March 21st, 2011
10:17 am
Our no fly zone mission is over and the coalition is in command.
Mission Accomplished for real this time.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:17 am
JB
They won’t abandon Obama for any reason and that doesn’t really matter because Obama is a colossal hypocrite. What the libs need to worry about is that fact that independents have left the Dems and will not be voting for them in 2012.
the watch dog
March 21st, 2011
10:17 am
The time to have acted was 1988 after the Lockerbie bombing of the PanAm plane. We are way to late. As for the hostilities in libya, it is one more endless drain of the revenue of the U.S. I think it bizarre. The hastily put together coallition. All France has to do is loose one or two men or planes and they are all back in Paris, nice and safe, same with the British, all back in London. The U.S. will intervene on the ground with military and there will be one more endless conflict along with Iraq and Afghanistan. I cannot believe with a 14 trillion dollar deficit that that the administration is so eager to spend more money. Every peeny that gas goes up is i billion more out of the economy, and it has gone 3 cents in the last day, that is three billion, no economic recovery here.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:18 am
“Mission Accomplished for real this time.”
Define the mission.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:18 am
Wait till the truth comes out about this guy. ( Obama)
Paul
March 21st, 2011
10:18 am
stands for decibels
Back to what I saw as your original point between Pres Obama, Iraq withdrawal and SOFA:
“Had Obama broken that agreement, would you be happier?”
I think the safe answer is “NO!!!!”
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:18 am
Joel, good on you. In my book, you’ve put your money where your mouth is, as opposed to the tough-talking, 101st Chairborne “warriors” here…
Where is Rags?
He’ll be thrilled to know that when his idol, Mann Coulter, starts glowing in the dark, it is healthy and normal.
No wonder the cons are so derided. Their oracles are virtually without fail, completely clueless and virulently demented…
Last night, Ann Coulter came on to The O’Reilly Factor and said this:
“There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer.”
O’Reilly, in response to this nonsense, jokingly said “we should all be heading for the nuclear reactor leaking and kind of sunbathing,” to which Coulter actually agreed!
Nuts with a capital N…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:19 am
“Last night, Ann Coulter came on to The O’Reilly Factor and said this:”
O’Reilly isn’t on tv on Sunday night, Vet.
MiltonMan
March 21st, 2011
10:19 am
AmVet – clueless like always. Bush Jr. – worse president ever??? Yes, let’s totally forget about the peanut farmer turned president.
Amvet’s opinion – worth as much as a wooden nickle.
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
10:19 am
Debbie, Vietnam was a conflict, it was never declared a War. I don’t feel that way but that is fact.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:20 am
WOW@10:16
I think you’re wrong on this one. I think we’re going to see a primary challenger for the Dems. Probably won’t go anywhere.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:20 am
We’ve now had 4 successive administrations of war… hmmmm
Why, it’s like there were a military-industrial complex acquiring unwarranted influence regardless of which party happens to hold the reins, or somethin’.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
10:20 am
AmVet
BOR usually makes fun of Coulter. To her face. It gets old, though. Too predictable.
Tommy Maddox
March 21st, 2011
10:21 am
We are witnessing the George McClellan Doctrine.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
10:21 am
Actually, dems will vote for obama again because there is no real or credible alternative, simple as that….
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:21 am
“I think we’re going to see a primary challenger for the Dems. ”
Yeah, cause that worked out so well for them the last time it happened.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:21 am
WOW… I agree, but we gotta give them a good alternative…..For me, it’s any conservative who can breath on a mirror….LOL
Tom
March 21st, 2011
10:22 am
JB@10;08a – Most people don’t really want to speak of the real truth! Ok, envision this, Mr Obama is a White Male with his past work history and Mrs Palin is a Black Female with her past work history. Who gets the job and will be elected to public office? Democrats and liberals will not like this comparison!! Secondly, seems like our President comes to the aid of Muslim countries in distress awfully quick to me. Seems like to me we should reach out to our citizens first on issues like unemployment, gas prices, immigration costs before we go helping third-world countries with our TAX DOLLARS!!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:22 am
“Actually, dems will vote for obama again because there is no real or credible alternative, simple as that….”
Thanks for making my point, Mick.
Del
March 21st, 2011
10:23 am
JB and WOW, Not only has he lost the Independent vote but also he’s lost considerable support among exuberant youth voters that he had in 08. He’ going to be a one term president.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:23 am
JB, and assorted cons, if George W. Bush or Dick Cheney runs in 2012, can they count on your vote? (grin)
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:23 am
“I agree, but we gotta give them a good alternative…..For me, it’s any conservative who can breath on a mirror”
We have what, over a year before the GOP primaries begin? Sit back, relax and watch the left implode.
The GOP nominee should open up the debate with Obama with: “Well, where to begin…”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:24 am
“Not only has he lost the Independent vote but also he’s lost considerable support among exuberant youth voters that he had in 08. ‘
Especially when the “youth” is back living at home with mommy and daddy.
225rd
March 21st, 2011
10:24 am
Hillary is calling the shots!!!!!!!!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:25 am
“if George W. Bush or Dick Cheney runs in 2012, can they count on your vote?”
That’s our AmVet!!!!!!!
The Teleprompter Caliphate of Socialist Union thugs
March 21st, 2011
10:26 am
If women ran the pentagon, would those missiles
be shaped any differently?
SouthGaDawg
March 21st, 2011
10:26 am
All I want to know is where are all of the protesters calling Obama a “war criminal” like they were with George Bush? Oh…they’re nowhere to be found because Obama’s the president now. More hypocracy from the Left.
One more thing: Thanks for bringing up Obama’s undeserved Nobel Peace Prize. All this Libya situation (and the continuing Iraq and Afghanistan wars) proves is that this award was undeserved then and continues to be undeserved. What a joke.
williebkind
March 21st, 2011
10:27 am
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:23 am
What tee-time will the interview start?
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:28 am
“He’ going to be a one term president.”
And the Dems can see that also. A primary challenge would have devastating consequences for the Dems. But i”ll guarantee you there is somebody talking about it.
“Hillary is calling the shots!!!!!!!!!!”
I have that same impression. Maybe Obama will pull an LBJ. Just saying.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:28 am
Back to what I saw as your original point between Pres Obama, Iraq withdrawal and SOFA:
“Had Obama broken that agreement, would you be happier?”
I think the safe answer is “NO!!!!”
I’m trying to imagine how Obama could’ve handled that one: “Look, guys, I promised everyone in a campaign speech that I’d have those particular forces out in 16 months instead of 19, so could you take this back to your parliament and change the timetable so that, coupla years from now, stray commenters at a newspaper blog don’t take any cheap shots at me? Thanks!”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:28 am
Top Dem Strategist: Soaring Prices Will Sink Obama in 2012
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DougSchoen-Obama-2012-PresidentialElection/2011/03/20/id/390121
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:28 am
I wonder if Congress thinks we can just go drop 120 cruise missiles and a few thousand bombs on China or Russia without a declaration of war, if the UN says its ok….
Food for thought folks.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:29 am
I wonder what all the College kids who voted for him now think of him that they are hitting the streets looking for a job with that degree………..and a year later, they are still at Starbucks making $9 an hour, getting 30 hours and no benefits…………How cool is he now?At the end of the Day, nothing beats gainful employment.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:29 am
“Maybe Obama will pull an LBJ.”
Or a Carter. Either way, he’ll be a one-term president.
RW-(the original)
March 21st, 2011
10:30 am
stands,
Maybe you should go back to that wiki piece and read instead of cribbing. The negotiations had been ongoing for months.
Paul,
Your question of support or oppose sort of depends on timing and defining of the mission. Back on March 3rd Obama said G/Q must go as he was no longer legitimate. Then there was all the hemming and hawing about how setting up a no-fly zone would take attacking the country first. Once the rebel forces were scattered and weakened we decided to set up this no-fly zone and the attack of the country to do it took about a half hour so it couldn’t have been that big of a deal. (slight sarcasm in that last sentence)
Now we’ve got the nfz, but we’re no longer saying G/Q must go and the only mission definition we have is that we won’t be around for long and we won’t put boots on the ground. When you add all that up it would seem the only way to be in support would be blind faith.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:30 am
For me, it’s any conservative who can breath on a mirror…
Has Tim Pawlenty actually proven he can do that?
williebkind
March 21st, 2011
10:30 am
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:29 am
Yeah but they still have cozy jobs! I rather see them as mud makers and brick toters.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:31 am
“nothing beats gainful employment.”
Amen.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:31 am
BOR usually makes fun of Coulter.
It reminds me of a certain poster here, Paul.
Pretend to be the rational, informed straight guy, though pretty much all he does if proffer (unintentionally) laughable and ignorant crappola to see if people will bite. A big part of Loofahboy’s shtick it to more than occasionally finds some really bizarre, WAY out in far right field Republiloon to make him look more rational and moderate.
And yes, it was funny for about 15 seconds back in 2003…
willie, with all of the legitimate things to complain about regarding BHO, what is patently juvenile, but immensely humorous to me, is to watch the rabid righties bitch endlessly about his golf, or his NCAA brackets, or Michelle’s garden. Or some other contrived and completely irrelevant poutrage.
It makes them look like the petulant brats they really are…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:31 am
“Has Tim Pawlenty actually proven he can do that?”
Who?
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Still waiting on that declaration of war….. izza impeachment time?
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Top Dem Strategist:
and Fox News Employee.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:33 am
“Pretend to be the rational, informed straight guy, though pretty much all he does if proffer (unintentionally) laughable and ignorant crappola to see if people will bite. A big part of Loofahboy’s shtick it to more than occasionally finds some really bizarre, WAY out in far right field Republiloon to make him look more rational and moderate.”
AmVet, you so funny.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:34 am
Looks like Obama’s chickens have come home to roost……LOL
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:34 am
“Or a Carter.”
Nah, Carter actually wanted a second term. LBJ just said-to h@#l with you people.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:34 am
“and Fox News Employee.”
They’re all becoming Fox employees because no one watches the other news channels.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:34 am
“LBJ just said-to h@#l with you people.”
So has Obama.
getalife
March 21st, 2011
10:35 am
It was a no fly zone mission.
It is over.
Move on to the next fake outage cons.
You lost again cons..
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
10:35 am
Some more WMD-related lead-up to the Iraq War…things the UN’s inspector, Hans Blix, said about the WMD issues. [from everyone's favorite online encyclopedia]
On December 7, 2002, Iraq filed its 12,000-page weapons declaration with the UN in order to meet requirements for this resolution. The five permanent members of the Security Council received unedited versions of the report, while an edited version was made available for other UN Member States. On December 19, Hans Blix reported before the United Nations and stated in regards to Iraq’s December 7 report (unedited version): “During the period 1991-1998, Iraq submitted many declarations called full, final and complete. Regrettably, much in these declarations proved inaccurate or incomplete or was unsupported or contradicted by evidence. In such cases, no confidence can arise that proscribed programmes or items have been eliminated.” By March, Blix declared that the December 7 report had not brought any new documentary evidence to light.
Iraq continued to fail to account for substantial chemical and biological stockpiles which UNMOVIC inspectors had confirmed as existing as late as 1998. Iraq claimed that it had disposed of its anthrax stockpiles at a specific site, but UNMOVIC found this impossible to confirm since Iraq had not allowed the destruction to be witnessed by inspectors as required by the pertinent Resolutions. Chemical testing done at the site was unable to show that any anthrax had been destroyed there.
Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei presented several reports to the UN detailing Iraq’s level of compliance with Resolution 1441.[2] [3] [4]. On January 27, 2003 Chief UN Weapons Inspector Blix addressed the UN Security Council and stated “Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance — not even today — of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace.”[5] Blix went on to state that the Iraqi regime had allegedly misplaced “1,000 tonnes” of VX nerve agent—one of the most toxic ever developed.[6]
By mid-February the issues of anthrax, the nerve agent VX and long-range missiles remained unresolved. Blix’s March 7 report stated “Iraq, with a highly developed administrative system, should be able to provide more documentary evidence about its proscribed weapons programmes. Only a few new such documents have come to light so far and been handed over since we began inspections.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:35 am
“is to watch the rabid righties bitch endlessly about his golf, or his NCAA brackets, or Michelle’s garden. Or some other contrived and completely irrelevant poutrage.”
AmVets got a case of the old amnesia. Guess he don’t remember the “poutrage” over Bush playing golf etc.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:36 am
“It is over.”
Gaddafy is still in power. It is not over.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
10:36 am
RW-(the original)
“When you add all that up it would seem the only way to be in support would be blind faith.”
Well… when you put it that way….
Saw some vids this weekend of Hillary during the campaign and now. This all appears to have worn on her more than it has on Pres Obama.
AmVet
Only difference between such posters and Coulter is, (as Coulter freely admits) – she makes millions with her schtick.
And what’s funnier yet, some people think she’s serious!
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:36 am
@10:32 stands for decibels……………..It’s because on Fox, there are people listening when a tree falls……..Unlike MSNBC
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:37 am
jm, when the ABA – which has thousands of Republican lawyers – sends Obama three separate papers detailing his violations of US law and the United States Constitution, in FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS, get back with me, OK?
The Party First neo-cons were disgusting failures by not calling for Bush’s impeachment…
Ramzad
March 21st, 2011
10:37 am
Obama is no war criminal. Obama has a brain and he is using it. That is much more than can be said
for Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush and the other diatribes of of fools who got us into Iraq, I am
going to begin working to see that Obama gets a second term.
We are swimming in idealogues and people who, clearly, did not finish high school. So much of this
skid row logic. After the Tea Party Taliban had that negro bring an AR-15 to a political rally; it was
pretty much the end of sanity in American politics.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:37 am
“It is over.”
Not yet it isn’t. Even if we step down as the leader of this little mess. We’re still gonna have assets involved. We can’t “move on” just yet.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:38 am
The negotiations had been ongoing for months.
I’m trying but honestly don’t get your point, here.
What became negotiated, and signed as an agreement, was essentially what Obama and others had argued for and campaigned on, albeit with a slightly longer timetable for troop withdrawal.
My argument was that once both parties had made that agreement, that agreement mattered, not a 2007 campaign speech.
Furthermore, I can’t imagine too many on the right (or left, for that matter) would take too kindly to the newly-elected President, in January 2009, tossing out the SOFA in order to accelerate troop withdrawals by a few months.
but maybe I’m missing something. Happens sometimes.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
10:38 am
jm
This question plays out in each administration, regardless of the party in power. It’s all about the power of the Executive as Commander in Chief and the Legislative as having the power of the purse and the power to declare war. It gets cloaked in partisanship, but at it’s core, it’s about power.
And the party doesn’t matter one whit.
getalife
March 21st, 2011
10:38 am
We did not lose one plane, nobody got hurt and Libya claimed very few civilians hurt.
Best no fly mission ever?
Yup.
We are back on top thanks to President Obama and Hillary Clinton.
Honor them.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:38 am
Obama the war monger.
The Thin Guy
March 21st, 2011
10:38 am
Some of the criticisms leveled at the Cowboy George Bush would seem to apply here. What is our goal? When will we know the goal has been achieved? What price are you willing to pay to achieve that goal? At least Bush not only consulted with congress but obtained congressional approval for the military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Zippy simply declared war on Colonel Q like the Queen in Alice in Wonderland. If Colonel Q is replaced, who replaces him? How do you know it will be an improvement? Back in 1993 the conflict between the Hutus and Tutsis cost the lives of several hundred thousands central Africans. Yet $lick Willie and his charming and vivacious wife Thunder Thighs did nothing. If we are to interfere in Middle East politics, Iran should be the target. Or closer to home, Castro and Chavez. Any fool can start a war, it takes a statesman to end one.
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
10:39 am
And not intervening at all, as some on the left still advocate, was a cruel option at best. Had the coalition not acted when it did last week, the world today would probably be sitting back and watching helplessly while a brutal Gadhafi massacred tens of thousands of his fellow Libyans.
Those on the Left advocating standing idly by are being infantile and they thereby disqualify themselves from having a constructive role to play in the matter. The right thing to do is to apply military force, just as we’re doing.
it has forced other countries to shed their infantilism and take responsibility, rather than leaving the tough decisions to Uncle Sam all the time and then grumbling about the outcome.
Absolutely right, and maybe one of the most interesting changes in the world we’re witnessing right alongside the momentous changes of the Arab spring.
New Gingrich should be caned. He should be reduced to muttering in a corner like the mad old opportunist that he his. The very opening of his mouth to speak should be met with a howling wind of disdain that blows the words right back into his lying mouth.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
10:39 am
These endless third grade justifications are so comical.
But Joey/Susie/whoever did it too!
Grow a pair…
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
10:40 am
What we need about now are some more posts proclaiming the Dems to be barraging us with hate-filled rhetoric and resentment and angst over voting for Obama, etc., lest we forget.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:40 am
“skid row logic” splain that one.
Paul 10:38 – I agree. The expansion of Executive Power is bipartisan, and all bad.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:40 am
“That is much more than can be said
for Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush and the other diatribes of of fools who got us into Iraq”
We’re still in Iraq.
“We are swimming in idealogues and people who, clearly, did not finish high school. ”
If you’re going to accuse someone of not finishing high school, you may want to use spell check.
“After the Tea Party Taliban had that negro ”
Well, nothing like a good ole lib showing us how much of a racist he really is.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:41 am
“These endless third grade justifications are so comical.”
We don’t call you AmVet for nothing.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:41 am
Obama politically is like my breakfast this morning…………………toast.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:42 am
“New Gingrich should be caned.”
Whaaaaaaaaa?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:43 am
JB
Mine was scrambled.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:43 am
JB 10:41 – with a FRIED egg.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Libs would be the first to whine if the gas pumps were dry as to not get there 8 gallons for their Prius to get to Starbucks.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
10:44 am
you know if Obama would’ve listened to the majority of people on the right, we would’ve been heavily encroached in 2 wars, (Afghanistan & Iraq); 1 UN mission, (Libya) and 2 “pre-emptive strikes” (Iran & Egypt) to protect some other countries
oilummmm freedom.@@
March 21st, 2011
10:44 am
It was funny to watch reports on who took out Qaddafi’s compound.
The “could’a beens” left us to wonder. Maybe all of Obama’s “joint this and thats” were intended to offset Gaddafi’s propoganda machine.
And Amr Moussa, Arab League Secretary General?
What happened differs from the no-fly zone objectives. What we want is the protection of civilians. Protection, not shelling more civilians.
Screw him!!!! He needs to focus on his presidential campaign in Egypt just as Newt needs to focus on his.
Typical politicians….always complaining after the fact.
I fear our delayed response in Libya may have brought about the government crackdowns in Bahrain and Yemen.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:45 am
“8 gallons for their Prius”
SILLY! Libs can’t afford a Prius.
RB from Gwinnett
March 21st, 2011
10:46 am
Anybody heard anything about Obama’s exit strategy? Does he even have one?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:46 am
“we would’ve been heavily encroached in 2 wars”
Uh……we are in two wars, Debbie.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:46 am
“Anybody heard anything about Obama’s exit strategy? ”
Blame Bush and head to Rio.
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
10:47 am
I also find it rather interesting that those $1B apiece B-2 bombers that everyone was quick to chop from the DoD budget as completely unnecessary–after all the Soviet Union was no longer a threat–have been the first wave in Libya (and Iraq before that).
‘Course, it may be a case of, “Well, as long as we’ve got them, we might as well use them.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:47 am
“Anybody heard anything about Obama’s exit strategy?”
2012. He will exit the White House.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
10:48 am
Obama must have said, “bite me,” given all the references from the cons here to Obama being some form of breakfast food.
WJ
March 21st, 2011
10:48 am
Mr. Obama is in so far over his head you can’t find him with sonar! My goodness how I wish we had a pro-USA and capable President. Instead we have a remake of Nero’s violin concerto.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:49 am
This bombing was NOT his idea, but as American President, he HAD to do it. Funny as hell. Can you see the French saving these folks and we’re watching……It would be nice for a change, but watching Obama controlled like a puppet is pretty funny….and typical of him….He’s been voting present for two weeks on it…..LOL
Darwin
March 21st, 2011
10:49 am
Next on our list – repressive Arab ruling royal families. Oh yeah.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:50 am
Let me throw in a good word here. Qatar is still supporting this. That may have changed in the last 10 minutes.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
10:50 am
Paul: Lots of dancing around the subject, but I’ve yet to hear, regarding our participation in the US-authorized no-fly zone in Libya:
those who are opposed to Pres Obama’s actions: why?
those who are in favor of Pres Obama’s actions: why?
Hi Paul!! (a little late I know….sorry). I’m opposed, why? Because we, USA, need to concern ourselves with our own problems and spend time money and energy on that. If it wasn’t for OIL we wouldn’t give dang about Libya or any of the middle east for that matter.
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
10:50 am
TaxPayer @9:50 am Have mercy, MPercy. Post a link, not a book.
Hard to tell how long the post is in the tiny little composing box. Sorry.
Also, some blogs here don’t allow links or make adding a link send you to moderation.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:50 am
Guess he don’t remember the “poutrage” over Bush playing golf etc.
He don’t?
Sigh. I know I’ll regret doing this, but…
There were a lot of complaints about the vast number of trips away from DC to the “ranch” at Crawford, true. I’m sure GWB knew he’d take some hits for that, but obviously, that’s where he liked to spend a lot of time, so that’s where he went. (One can only imagine what the right would do if Obama had fabricated some compound in rural Illinois shortly before his election for that purpose, and spent as much time away from the White House as GWB did, but, whatever.)
As for the left even mentioning GWB’s golfing? That’s mostly due to two things, which you seem to have forgotten.
1. A well-worn (and edited, it must be said) video clip, first popularized in Fahrenheit 9/11, showed Bush in his golf duds, giving some standard boilerplate rhetoric about the importance of fighting terrorism. It was followed (in the video) with “Now watch this drive.” The poutrage, as you call it, wasn’t that the guy played golf—Clinton loved the game too, after all—or anyway it shouldn’t have been. It was that our “war on terror” had become so rote, so routine, that a President didn’t seem to miss a beat by it. We weren’t really at “war,” not in the usual sense, it seemed; we were just watching an ongoing campaign. Or something.
2. Much later, Bush took it upon himself to say that he’d actually given up golfing out of respect for the sacrifices others were making. Which he didn’t have to do, but that’s what he said. Problem was, he didn’t actually give it up, not entirely, and he just made himself look silly for saying he had.
I don’t think either item above was terribly important. But if you’re going to cite this, at least get that much right.
JB
March 21st, 2011
10:51 am
I slept better last night after hearing his speech on it……………Man gives a good speech…..
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
10:51 am
JB: Libs would be the first to whine if the gas pumps were dry as to not get there 8 gallons for their Prius to get to Starbucks.
What’s a lib?
C’mon, think buddy.
jm
March 21st, 2011
10:52 am
from AP
ZWITINA, Libya (AP) – The international military intervention in Libya is likely to last “a while,” a top French official said Monday, echoing Moammar Gadhafi’s warning of a long war ahead as rebels, energized by the strikes on their opponents, said they were fighting to reclaim a city under siege from the Libyan leader’s forces.
Last a while. Duh.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:54 am
stands for decibels@10:50
I have no problem with Obama golfing. As long as he’s not bowling.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
10:54 am
Last a while. Duh.
“It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
ah, good times, good times…
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
10:55 am
jm: WOW 10:13 – yes, you’re correct. The Executive Branch has taken liberties to describe its ability to wage war outside the confines of permission from Congress. Congress, spineless as it is, has not been inclined to snap the leash on the EB.
jm BUSH & co expanded the power of the Executive Branch – now hypothetically let’s say your old friend Mike was once the president of NASCAR and gave the governing body, (especially the preident position) all these powers and “perks” to go along with the positon. Mike is out now you are in, are you going to take back/reduce the “perks” and powers that Mike put into play now that you have a chance or are you going to use them to your fulll advantage?
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
10:55 am
Fascinating yesterday listening to the paleo-conservative (the cold-hearted nothing’s new under the sun approach) position, represented by the toupee’d George Will, juxtaposed with the neo-conservative (pro-intervention) approach of Wolfowitz.
Given the choice between the two, I side with Wolfowitz. He’s right on this.
What’cha think about that, JB?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:56 am
“I have no problem with Obama golfing. As long as he’s not bowling.”
Or playing baseball.
Joel Edge
March 21st, 2011
10:56 am
“Last a while.”
There ya go. A time estimate. Could have been “a good bit longer”.
Just a Thought
March 21st, 2011
10:56 am
“Now let me be clear: America cannot and should not seek to impose any system of government on any other country, nor would we presume to choose which party or individual should run a country. And we haven’t always done what we should have on that front.”
Wonder who it was that said that?
Paul
March 21st, 2011
10:57 am
Hi DDR!
Oil does have a way of bringing about action – witness France and England.
Humanitarian will, if it gets bad enough. In this case, hadn’t happened yet, but a pretty good case can be made it was coming.
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
10:57 am
DebbieDoRight @9:57 am MPercy: Pres. Bush sought and received Congressional approval before taking any action, and this debate lasted more than a month in Congress before passing convincingly.
With false, misleading data and intelligence ===>> WMD’s.
So you contend that Congress is rife with idiots (or do I repeat myself?) who were overtaken by the Idiot-In-Chief’s cooked up intelligence? All those sacred Democratic leaders duped by an incompetent bumbler? What’s that say about them?
See my earlier post about the UN’s own inspection into WMD in Iraq.
RW-(the original)
March 21st, 2011
10:57 am
Geez this blog requires incredible amounts of scrolling time, but I digress….
stands,
Your claim was that the whole SOFA had been negotiated AFTER the election. That’s what I called BS on and furthermore it sounds like Obama’s blustery declarations seemed to nearly mirror the ongoing SOFA negotiations as they were taking place. Why it’s almost like he held a high position in government and was a member of the party in charge. Had that been the case he could pretty easily declare the changyhopey thing he was going to do which was really just to model his hopeychange on Bush’s negotiated agreement.
Anyway, the forest beckons.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
10:58 am
Where are all the Code Pinkers today? Where are all the Euro trash protesters from 2003?
JB
March 21st, 2011
11:00 am
As I make my list list up for my companies fifth layoff under this Administration, I like nothing about Obama, his cabinet,his staff, his thinking, or his policies. I hope he is a one term President.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:01 am
“What’s a lib? ”
Dunno. Maybe, as Warren said: “If history was the guide to gaining wealth, then librarians would be rich.”
That the lib you thinkin of?
cosby smith
March 21st, 2011
11:01 am
The question as wtih Bush and Iraq – do we have a plan..The USA is great a blowing things up, but do we have a end plan. Do we know who we are actually backing? How long is the process and are we in another long and drawn out POLICE policy. the French lead, the USA followed, but does anyone have a plan..Naa and Obama is not showing any leader ship nor understanding of the situation – It is sad that Hillary has more understanding than the sitting President.
jt
March 21st, 2011
11:02 am
Thank God and Amerika that gays can do it now too———————-
“I thought the CONgress had put this aged criminal out to pasture? No such luck. Now this descendant of slaves wants all young people in the United States to share in the joy of slavery by serving David Rockefeller’s bank account their nation honorably. In a sense, Rangel is correct: Why should mainly poor and blue collar kids experience the joy of dying for the Banksters? I think it is important for rich and middle-class—especially rich and middle-class white liberal—kids to share in this great “honor.” I know that now that a Republican murderer president is no longer calling the shots (pun intended), all of those anti-Bush wars rich and middle-class liberals can’t wait for their kids to die for their Democratic murderer president if he calls upon them to do their duty.
But there is “good” news: Rangel’s universal slavery service is not just about re-establishing the draft. It’s about young people being forced into slavery for the government in general. I guess Rangel wants them to get a “heads up” before they join the voluntary private sector and are forced to fork over a good portion of their wages to the IRS—as all good slaves should.
Obama apologists…..DO NOT watch this video……………………
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/82759.html
Joe Mama
March 21st, 2011
11:02 am
IMO, we shouldn’t have gone into Iraq, and President Bush was wrong to order it.
And IMO, we shouldn’t be in Libya, and President Obama is wrong to order that.
If you’re against one, then you should be against both. And if you supported one, then you should support both. IMO, to do otherwise is to make yourself out as a political partisan, and not a reasonable, thinking person whose opinions and arguments deserve hearing.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
11:02 am
Your claim was that the whole SOFA had been negotiated AFTER the election. That’s what I called BS on
Ok, I’ll give you that. Instead of writing “The SOFA was negotiated and completed after the election”, I should’ve simply said it was completed after the election.
furthermore it sounds like Obama’s blustery declarations seemed to nearly mirror the ongoing SOFA negotiations as they were taking place.
in 2007? perhaps, but the wiki sez:
In an interview January 24, 2008, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates indicated that work on a SOFA had barely been started.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
11:03 am
We did not lose one plane, nobody got hurt and Libya claimed very few civilians hurt.
Best no fly mission ever?
Also getalife, let’s not forget that President Clinton got ZERO American GIs KIA’d during the entire Kosovo campaign. And the chickenhawks hated that. (Two USAF pilots tragically lost their lives in a training accident.)
It was a masterful, precision use of our troops, allies and assets.
In other words the very antithesis of the botched BushCorp Crusades.
And it takes a prevaricating, incompetent failure of a Republican administration, replete with tons of chest pounding pooosies, to completely botch a military campaign. And get five thousand GI’s killed, tens of thousands more horrifically maimed and countless American families ruined.
Oh and a quick $1,000,000,000,000.00+ thrown out the window.
But the 101st Chairborne would vote their recidivist criminals back into office in an instant. And we both know it.
Calling them slow learners is an insult to slow learners…
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:03 am
DDR 10:55 – still blaming Bush eh? I feel crummy for the Presidents all the way through 2050. Cause libs will still be blaming Bush I guess.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
11:05 am
Obama should have continued the path he was on and not allowed himself to be goaded into joining in on the no-fly zone. People can claim “humanitarian” all they want, but where were those people when the sh*t hit the fan in Rwanda? We should not be involved in Northern Africa at all. If the Arab League wanted a no-fly zone, then they should have gotten off their asses and done it themselves. If France and Europe wanted to protect their oil providers, then let them do it.
Oh well, I don’t even have to scroll through 8 pages to know that there’s already been Bush and Obama bashing, because that’s what some of y’all do best. Doesn’t change the past, and I don’t think your blaming game will change the future either…..
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
11:05 am
I guess never served/never will Barack Obama and his Democrat minders are satisfying their bloodlust by attacking a sovereign nation that has done nothing to us. I wonder how many billions are going to be added to the national debt to fund this unlawful war, and how many of our boys are going to come home in body bags. And all so Barack’s greedy Texas oil buddies can line their pockets. Pathetic.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:05 am
“work on a SOFA had barely been started”
Everyone should be so lucky to work on a sofa.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
11:05 am
As I make my list list up for my companies fifth layoff
You don’t run one of those for-profit schools, do ya.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:07 am
Liberals are probably crying in their bathrooms, then pulling the trigger. Their liberal president is a socialist war monger. They only got 1/2 of him correct….
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
11:08 am
I guess Barack Obama the chickenhawk Chairborne warrior has finally shown his true chest-pounding colors.
getalife
March 21st, 2011
11:09 am
Thank you AmVet.
I knew I could count on you for the truth and more facts.
The libs and cons are united in hate of this mission so I guess they wanted to watch another dictator slaughter millions of his people.
I am very happy the President and Hillary said not on their watch. They did not want to be like daddy bush.
Get well soon Speaker Pelosi.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
11:10 am
Wow, Barack Obama now has us embroiled in three wars against sovereign nations that have done nothing to us. Maybe the gutless never served/never will chickenhawk should go ahead and invade Egypt, I’d hate for there to be any middle eastern countries we’re not actually at war with.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
11:12 am
“Thank you AmVet.”
“I knew I could count on you for the truth and more facts.”
Congratulations…early favorite for “stupidest post of the week.”
Fall Line
March 21st, 2011
11:12 am
Hey Jay… Your guy screwed the pooch. Stop making excuses.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:12 am
“I am very happy the President and Hillary said not on their watch”
Well then. I’m glad you support intervening in the Nigerian massacres, Angola, Somalia, etc etc etc. Boy, we’re going to be buuuuuuuusy. Better not cut military funding.
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
11:14 am
jm 11:03 : Cause libs will still be blaming Bush I guess.
Don’t wanna blow your little mind, but I just put in a positive word for Wolfowitz above, who was on Amanpour yesterday.
So, how’s that fit in with your little view of the world?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:14 am
If Obama is going to wage this many wars, we probably need a draft.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
11:14 am
Harry! Dude!
You’ve had lotsa time to think it over, so I’ll ask again–are you “trashy”?
Or have you never engaged in pre-marital sex, yourself?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:14 am
AmVet, why are you so hateful? I am a conservative who served 20 years. Answer this….Who are the people we are protecting in Libya? What can YOU tell me about these rebels we are protecting? Why aren’t we attacking Bahrain? They killed a few people too. Is it worth our time and resources?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:17 am
LWM 11:14 – Oh, I’m not really against dropping a bunch of bombs on Ghadafi. I am against the EB engaging in a war without legislative approval.
Same sh-t different day. This thing is like worrying about a gnat bite. When our country is like a bison being surrounded by a pack of wolves (the national debt). So, simply stated, I don’t much care. Other BS to worry about.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:17 am
Oops, the Syrians are firing on protesters too! We better start attacking them!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:19 am
“I knew I could count on you for the truth and more facts.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:19 am
We should attack Libya, Bahrain, Iran, Russia, China, Many countries in Africa, Saudi, Yemen and any place that would kill civilians who disagree with their form of government.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:20 am
Heck, if we use the logig that K-daffy is murdering his own civilians, then we should just NUKE the entire middle east.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:20 am
“And it takes a prevaricating, incompetent failure of a Republican administration, replete with tons of chest pounding pooosies, to completely botch a military campaign. And get five thousand GI’s killed, tens of thousands more horrifically maimed and countless American families ruined.’
Like I said, Vet reminds me of Jared Loughner.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:21 am
Sorry, it should read ‘logic’.
Independent
March 21st, 2011
11:21 am
Oil does have a way of bringing about action – witness France and England.
And witness Scotland paroling the Lockerbie bomber – to the congratulatory masses who cheered his name as a hero – all for oil.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:21 am
Harry Callahan
What’s amazing is how libs are silent on the fact that Obama has carried on Bush policies and has now gotten us into another war.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
11:21 am
Same sh-t different day. This thing is like worrying about a gnat bite. When our country is like a bison being surrounded by a pack of wolves (the national debt).
In one weekend we’ve already sent 110 or so Freedom Missiles (ok, Tomahawks), which go for between $600,000 and $1,200,000 a pop.
That’s something like eleventy times what NPR receives from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
I mean, as long as we’re talking gnats and suchlike.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:22 am
Obama. The third Bush administration?
James
March 21st, 2011
11:22 am
I wonder if Bookman would have been as understanding if George Bush were the president. I think we all know the answer to that. What a hypocrite!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:22 am
“AmVet, why are you so hateful? ”
Because that’s what liberalism is all about.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:23 am
sfd 11:21 – no doubt, the NPR budget is comparatively meaningless. Then again, they don’t want the money, so why bother.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:23 am
“I wonder if Bookman would have been as understanding if George Bush were the president.”
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Oh my gosh, all we’d hear about is how stupid and corrupt Bush is and how Bush hates America.
Independent
March 21st, 2011
11:24 am
Wow, Barack Obama now has us embroiled in three wars against sovereign nations that have done nothing to us.
If I remember, Afganistan’s leaders (the Taliban) allowed their country to be used as a base of Al-qaida, who launched a successful attack on the World Trade Buildings. Did you forget?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:25 am
NUKE the Middle East. That is the answer! The whole area is full of regimes that would murder rebellious civilians.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:25 am
“If I remember, Afganistan’s leaders (the Taliban) allowed their country to be used as a base of Al-qaida, who launched a successful attack on the World Trade Buildings. Did you forget?”
Huh?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:26 am
“You lead with two cheap shots directed at our President’s moral character, @ 11.05 and 11.08. ‘
Just two? Dang, I’ve already thrown out about 100.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:26 am
WOW 11:23 – amen, no doubt. War mongering Bush opens a third US war!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:26 am
“Wow, Barack Obama now has us embroiled in three wars against sovereign nations that have done nothing to us.”
Yeah, and?
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
11:26 am
NUKE the Middle East. That is the answer! The whole area is full of regimes that would murder rebellious civilians.
And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love…
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
11:26 am
jm: “I am against the EB engaging in a war without legislative approval.”
Ok, fair enough.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:27 am
Hmmmm Jay you seem to think it is ok that we go to war with Libya but when Saddam did nearly the exact same thing you labeled Bush a war monger! Great job!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:27 am
jm
Nothing like watching the left implode with their own Frankenstein monster, Obama. They created him and now they will chase him back to the castle to burn him.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
11:27 am
Obama. The third Bush administration
So, Republicans are going to re-elect Obama and make it an even four terms for Bush, huh.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 21st, 2011
11:28 am
SO DEMOCRATS, HELP ME UNDERSTAND?? This war is okay because it was ordered by a Democrat?? It is extremely similar to the Iraq war besides Libya being much much weaker. We are entering a country that has not attacked us in any way. I happen to be okay with it because we have a duty to protect people who are being slaughtered by their own government. But, any Democrat that agrees with this war is simply a HYPOCRITE!!
Any way you slice it.
If this was Bush the reaction would be completely different from the left, what a joke…
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:28 am
Do you think Obama is to Bush what Medvedev is to Putin? I think so.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:28 am
“Hmmmm Jay you seem to think it is ok that we go to war with Libya but when Saddam did nearly the exact same thing you labeled Bush a war monger! ‘
DING DING DING!!!!!!
Independent
March 21st, 2011
11:28 am
And I may not agree with the timing of the attack, but remember that Ghadaffi (however you spell his name) almost certainly ordered the attack that resulted in the Lockerbie disaster, in which a large number of Americans died. Of course, for that to be the reason, we should have attacked him then.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
11:28 am
“but when Saddam did nearly the exact same thing”
you’re late…been brought up already. Can you REALLY not see there’s a difference between a reaction to an immediate crisis and one that happened 10 YEARS in the past?
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
11:28 am
Dang, I’ve already thrown out about 100.
Sorry. Harry’s amusing to watch when you make his head essplode. You, not so much.
later, all.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:29 am
Taxpayer 11:27 –
Um. Not quite.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:29 am
sfd, You liberals are the ones using THAT justification to attack Libya. So can’t we use it to eliminate all Mid-Eastern leaders, China and Russia. Me, I don’t think it was not the right time. We don’t even know who these rebels that we are protecting are!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:29 am
“Sorry. Harry’s amusing to watch when you make his head essplode. You, not so much.”
That’s because I don’t explode, stands.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:29 am
Doggone……I am not sure the civilians that were killed by their leader care if it was yesterday or 10 years ago. Do you really think that Saddam only killed his people 10 years ago and stopped??? Seriously?
Normal
March 21st, 2011
11:30 am
Y’all,
jt’s Lew Rockwell rant, notwithstanding, I heard this morning that they are or have raised the enlistment age to 40. 40??? Give me a break. If this doesn’t say volumes about our military readiness, nothing will.
Despite Rangel’s color or Mr. Rockwell’s rant, it might be a good idea to reconsider a military draft. Since our military seems to be more and more minority heavy, it might be a good idea to infuse some white, middle and upper class blood.
Y’all might want to read “The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire”. You will see many similarities that we can learn from. One is mercenary armies….
I’ve been in a war and I hate wars. There is no reason that we have to be in any of them…except, as I’ve said before and will say many times more….The Military Industrial Complex can’t make money without them, read, human sacrifice for the American God of Economics, period.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:30 am
Anybody seen Granny lately? I would loooooooooooooooooooove to get her take on this.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:31 am
“An early spring is the right time to highlight an early bloomer ”
I think Jay has a bunch of typos in this headline. I think he meant to say:
“An early spring is the right time for a firefight and a late bomber”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:31 am
“Y’all might want to read “The Rise and Fall of The Roman Empire”. You will see many similarities that we can learn from. ”
Rome fell from within, Normal. Corruption, moral decay etc.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
11:32 am
jm: As I make my list list up for my companies fifth layoff under this Administration, I like nothing about Obama, his cabinet,his staff, his thinking, or his policies. I hope he is a one term President.
Quick question – is Obama, (his cabinet, staff, etc.), on the governing board of your company? If so, you’d better stop blogging bullcrap about him or you can kiss that job goodbye for real.
Paul – Oil. The real power behind every throne and presidency today. As for the Humanitarian part, if we, the world, were so concerned about becoming Humanitarians and policing the world, then why aren’t we enforcing no fly zones in Africa? I mean there are enough coups, genocides, hostile takeovers etc. in Africa to keep everyone “humanitarian” for a long time.
WOW- hmm……wellll……WOW!!…….I see that reading comprehension is not your strong suit so I won’t even bother…..have a nice day.
SoCo: (Hi SoCo!! ) Obama should have continued the path he was on and not allowed himself to be goaded into joining in on the no-fly zone. People can claim “humanitarian” all they want, but where were those people when the sh*t hit the fan in Rwanda? We should not be involved in Northern Africa at all. If the Arab League wanted a no-fly zone, then they should have gotten off their asses and done it themselves.
Yeah. What SoCo said. I’m with it.
jm – RE: Bush – does the truth hurt? Jeesh man! Facts are facts are facts. Ignoring them, fudging them, pretending they don’t exist is not going to change the fact that they are FACTS. Sorry.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:33 am
WOW 11:30 – GG recently spotted puking into a toilet and fashioning up a protest sign: No MORE WAR! Stop OBAMA!
She then OD’d on barbituates from depression at the liberal war mongering president…. fortunately, rehab is working wonders.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
11:33 am
getalife, they don’t want to know. They’re the right wing equivalent of holocaust deniers.
And the poor twisting in the wind, Hollywood wannabes were as clueless about BHO as they were his predecessor.
These myopic clowns keep asking why the libs are all in support of this strike, yet they can’t name anyone of these supposed libs. Ah life, in the neo-con parallel reality.
BMDPD, it’s called not suffering fools gladly.
“Is it worth our time and resources?”
That is a very legitimate question.
For me, the ultimate decision always revolves around one thing – the loss of US lives.
I could give a ____ about being the world’s policeman. If those thugs want to kill their fellow thugs in massive numbers, that is a damn shame. For them.
This attitude is premised on the fact that we all just watched as the one of the biggest liars in US Presidential history, willfully spilled enormous amounts of American blood. For no good reason.
And this was a scant 30 years past another horrific debacle. Was he so high on smack that he simply forgot about not going there? He should have been shipped off to the jungle. Maybe he would have learned something important about needlessly losing American lives.
With the enormous caveat, that I know next to nothing about the issues, parties, history and the relevant data concerning this violence in Libya and elsewhere – as is almost certainly the case with virtually everyone here – I’ll answer your question; “is it worth our time and resources”, as follows:
No. Let other mothers and fathers from other countries lose their sons and daughters if their “leaders” so wish…
Enough of our politicians and their sycophants feeling good about themselves while waving red, white and blue pom poms from under their beds…
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 21st, 2011
11:34 am
DEMOCRATS shouldn’t even try to make excuses as to why this WAR is legit and Iraq was not. It only makes you look worse. Just go ahead and take the position that Obama shouldn’t have authorized this, that is the only position that gives you any respect.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:34 am
Normal, this white boy from Peachtree City did 20 years as an enlisted man. Plus, the military is good for minorities. Those quotas sure come in handy during advancement.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:34 am
I want to hear what AmVet has to say about his great leader now being a war promoter!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:34 am
“WOW- hmm……wellll……WOW!!…….I see that reading comprehension is not your strong suit so I won’t even bother…..have a nice day.”
Debbie Translator 2000: She has no real rebuttal and therefore plays the tired old Al Gore “I’m educated, you’re not” BS.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:34 am
DDR 11:32 – you’re all wacked out mam. Your first post about “fifth layoff” stuff, I didn’t write.
Your last question was unhinged and disconnected to anything I’ve written. Please hit reset button on your brain.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:35 am
“They’re the right wing equivalent of holocaust deniers.”
AmVet Translator 2000: He just makes up crazy garbage to throw out because he hasn’t a clue as to what he’s talking about.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
11:35 am
Rome fell from within, Normal. Corruption, moral decay etc.
exactly! And it started here 10 year ago and going faster today.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:35 am
“I want to hear what AmVet has to say about his great leader now being a war promoter!”
Vets response: You’re a holocaust denier.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
11:36 am
WOW 11:30 – GG recently spotted puking into a toilet and fashioning up a protest sign: No MORE WAR! Stop OBAMA!
She then OD’d on barbituates from depression at the liberal war mongering president…. fortunately, rehab is working wonders.
so, Jay, this is ok, but me throwing the fictional Harry Callahan’s 2nd-most-famous-line back at the guy calling himself “Harry Callahan,” that’s out of bounds?
Got it.
/drive-by
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:36 am
“exactly! And it started here 10 year ago and going faster today.’
It started looooooooong before that and has nothing to do with one political party. You can thank bad parents for that.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:36 am
Obama’s War Motto for Liberals: NOT ON MY WATCH!
When a Republican is in office: War Mongering Fascist Nazis Must be Stopped!
Add that to the hypocrisy tally sheet.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:37 am
WOW….hahah great…….I guess these clowns would follow Obama off of a cliff if they had the chance…..Wait a minute….I wonder if we can arrange that.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
11:37 am
I want to hear what AmVet has to say about his great leader now being a war promoter!
Ralph Nader is advocating war?
Gotta link for that?
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
11:37 am
WOW – “Rome fell from within. Corruption, moral decay, etc.”
And that is precisely what has been happening in the USA for some time now.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:38 am
WOW, DDR has been hittin the bong a few too many times.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:38 am
“I guess these clowns would follow Obama off of a cliff”
We could only HOPE.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
11:39 am
Rome fell from within, Normal. Corruption, moral decay etc.
I did my time 66-70 and 75-91 as enlisted Navy too. Today is a lot different and a 40 year old eligible enlistment age is too scary.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:39 am
carlos….no kidding…..we have to stop illegal immigration NOW!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:39 am
“And that is precisely what has been happening in the USA for some time now.”
Are you Normal’s parrot? He said the exact same thing.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
11:39 am
wow
Translator cliche has been used a bit much….besides everything cannot be boiled down to obama did it therefore it must be bad or I’m always right because I post continiously…a dose of humility every now and then would be a good thing…
Normal
March 21st, 2011
11:39 am
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:34 am
My last was meant for you…
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:40 am
sfd 11:36 – just a more elaborate version of the liberal accusations about republicans smokin too much somepin or other, or drinking too much, or whatever. reeeeeeeeeeelax. It’s just a couple hundred million worth of bombs and a few hundred lives.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 21st, 2011
11:40 am
SO INTERESTING TO SEE THAT THE USUAL SUSPECTS ON THIS BLOG DON’T HAVE MUCH TO SAY TODAY???
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:40 am
“Translator cliche has been used a bit much”
Not as much as HALLIBURTON!!!
“besides everything cannot be boiled down to obama did”
Sure it can.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
11:41 am
wow
Thanks for proving my point…
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
11:41 am
WMike: This war is okay because it was ordered by a Democrat?? It is extremely similar to the Iraq war besides Libya being much much weaker.
Sigh……..
The U.N. Security Council passed a resolution endorsing a no-fly zone to halt government troops now around 100 km (60 miles) from Benghazi. It also authorized “all necessary measures” — code for military action — to protect civilians against Gaddafi’s forces.
The US is a member of the United Nations, contributes millions annually to its coffers, and generally follows their doctrines. When Bush was president he went to the UN to enforce restrictions on Iraq BEFORE he decided to go it alone.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:42 am
If Obama and the coalition capture Gaddafy, will he be tried in NY City?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:42 am
Woodstock Mike 11:40 – see previous posts. They’re pretty much all in counseling at the moment. Zanax is being Fedexed. Thank heavens for capitalist drug makers and shippers.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:42 am
“Thanks for proving my point…”
blah blah blah
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:43 am
Normal, I picked up on that.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
11:43 am
“When Bush was president he went to the UN to enforce restrictions on Iraq BEFORE he decided to go it alone.”
LOL!!!!! Love the left wing talking points. Go it alone? Guess you forgot that the UK, Canada, Australia etc were all their own countries.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:44 am
WOW…..they always seem to forget the facts when it comes to Iraq….
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:45 am
RE Newt. One does wonder. Is he playing politics. Or do the 2 hemispheres of his brain do battle and depending on which one wakes up first, it gets to control his mouth that day.
In all seriousness, there are pros and cons to this whole Libya thing. I can see both sides of the argument. Newt sees both of them too. But just picks the one against Obama. Its like Opposite Day in Newt Land.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:45 am
WOW, how many UN resolutions were passed against Iraq? None, right
!
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
11:46 am
MPercy: So you contend that Congress is rife with idiots (or do I repeat myself?)
You repeat yourself…
who were overtaken by the Idiot-In-Chief’s cooked up intelligence?
Yep. But in fairness to Congress they were also overtaken by their electorate’s cries of VENGANCE too, their fear of another 9/11 happening, and by their own apathy, (over half couldn’t tell you what was exactly in the declaration of War that was brought forth by Bush et al.)
All those sacred Democratic leaders duped by an incompetent bumbler? What’s that say about them?
Not all. But the sane ones were drowned out by the ones who were pandering to the fear.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:46 am
There are no current positives on the Libya attack. None!
James Stephenson
March 21st, 2011
11:46 am
Well I for one support us helping the Civilians in Libya. But it is funny, liberals wanted us out of Iraq by saying it was a civil war and we had no business being there. Yet, here is an actual proven civil war, lets see if the Liberals support this action. Something tells me that since one of theirs is in office they will.
Regardless, our troops are now in harms way and I expect all Americans to be backing them.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:47 am
jm, Name one positive for the Libya attack in the way it was carried out.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
11:48 am
Oh well, gotta go back to work, but before I go…President Obama has really disappointed me and I hope to the heavens that Hillery will challenge him in the Primaries. She would win and 2012 would begin with another Democratic President. If I am faced with President Obama, the Republicans had better have somebody better than their usual list of candidates…’s all I’m gonna say…have a good afternoon, all y’all.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:48 am
BMDPD…..really? I bet their civilians would disagree.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:49 am
James S., what do those civilians in Libya represent? What drives them? What are their political, social, religious motives?
Road Scholar
March 21st, 2011
11:49 am
“opportunistic amateurism without planning or professionalism.”
Newt should know!
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:49 am
Normal….Hillary is going to run against him in 2012. As crazy as it sounds if the election were just Obama and Hillary I would actually vote for HIllary.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
11:49 am
Huh.
Looks like the Arab League’s charge we’re over-liberal in our interpretation of ground attacks in enforcement of no-fly zone is waaaay off the mark.
““4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council;”
Here’s the resolution:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm#Resolution
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
11:50 am
“liberals wanted us out of Iraq by saying it was a civil war and we had no business being there”
There was no civil war in Iraq…until AFTER we invaded.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:51 am
Doggone…..really? You are right Iraq is much worse now than it was before we went to War……great post clown.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:52 am
George, see my last post. Who are these civilians? Would they repeated rape a blonde newswoman from the west? Would they sympathize and donate to AlQaeda, Hamas, etc…? Are they Shiites backed by Iran like the protesters in Bahrain? or are they pro democracy?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:52 am
BMDPD 11:47 – well it ain’t over yet, so hard to judge. IF it works out, it’ll be the end of Ghadafi. If he’s still around, it will be a failure.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
11:52 am
“Doggone…..really?”
Yes, really. Check it out, MAYBE you’ll actually LEARN somthing.
Or try educating us…who was fighting whom in Iraq BEFORE we invaded?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:53 am
dang, that should say repeatedly.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:54 am
RE HILLARY: This may have been little seen. I think Hillary may run….. possible.
Hillary Clinton swears: Being secretary of state is her last political job. Clinton, 63, told CNN Wednesday she will not serve another term overseeing the State Department, even if President Obama wins reelection in 2012.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
11:54 am
jm, so we get rid of a strong Dictator in the Middle East…..Hmmmmm, how did that work out for us last time?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:55 am
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/03/17/2011-03-17_hillary_clinton_i_wont_seek_another_term_as_secretary_of_state_even_if_obama_is_.html
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:55 am
Doggone……do you not remember the weapons inspectors? Hans Blix mean anything to you? How about the mass graves that were uncovered in Iraq?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:55 am
“so we get rid of a strong Dictator in the Middle East”
hard to know what will happen. Could be a bunch of new morons. Could be a bunch of UN peacekeeping crud. who the hell knows.
George W
March 21st, 2011
11:56 am
BMDPD…..actually getting rid of Saddam has worked out GREAT….thanks for your post.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:56 am
BTW, Hillary said she will not be SOS even if Obama wins re-election. Well, what did she think will happen if he loses?
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:57 am
Basically, Hillary just threw Obama under the bus.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
11:57 am
It looks to me as though the claims that the Dem’s heads would be exploding was all a con — “Ooh Look, A Ducky!” — to distract folks from the exploding GOP talking heads.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
11:58 am
WOW: Debbie Translator 2000: She has no real rebuttal and therefore plays the tired old Al Gore “I’m educated, you’re not” BS.
Like I said, reading comprehension problem. Oh well…..
jm if I inadvertently posted to you I’m sorry. No need to get classless and snotty because of it. Oh right, I forgot, you’re a godly republican……you can’t help yourself. Sorry.
jm
March 21st, 2011
11:59 am
Even juan williams supports defunding NPR. Its overdue.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51646.html
patriot
March 21st, 2011
11:59 am
And just what was he dealt? Did Libya attack us while I wasn’t paying attention? Did they threaten to attack us? Did they do one damn thing to anything associated with the United States???
What he was dealt was an offer from the global elites that he could not refuse. Distract attention away from the global economic crisis, secure “our” oil, spend a ton of money on the military industrial complex, and reinforce the status of the UN as the global police force for good. Or else.
Obama is just another new world order puppet. That of course is exactly how a black man from Kenya with virtually no political experience can become president. Their investment is paying off handsomely.
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
11:59 am
“Would they repeated rape a blonde newswoman from the west?”
According to updated reports, she was NOT raped: “Fortunately, Lara reportedly told colleagues a group of Egyptian women protected her from being raped by throwing themselves on top of her”
http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/02/lara-logan-details-emerge-of-assault-in-egypt/
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:00 pm
George W, you think it has worked out great. I am ultra conservative and would hardly call it great. It has helped bury our country in debt. It has empowered the Ach mini jihad in Iran. We have lost a lot of troops and the Iraqi civilians are no better off. Christians are killed daily. If So dammmm was still in power, we wouldn’t have those issues, but that is another topic entirely.
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:00 pm
DDR 11:58 – no worries, lighten up.
I posted a response to myself earlier in the day. Don’t know how I did that….. lack of coffee probably.
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
Former NPR commentator Juan Williams is speaking out, calling on Congress and President Barack Obama to end federal funding for the “insular” and “self-righteous” public radio giant.
“Even after they fired me, called me a bigot and publicly advised me to only share my thoughts with a psychiatrist, I did not call for defunding NPR. I am a journalist, and NPR is an important platform for journalism,” Williams, who describes himself as left-leaning, wrote in an op-ed published Monday in The Hill.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51646.html#ixzz1HFaayBQ5
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
NPR is “fully capable of standing on its own.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51646.html#ixzz1HFalGpNN
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
Williams said that he decided he needed to speak out after reading a fundraising letter from Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Steve Israel. In the letter, Israel characterized NPR as playing an important role for Democrats by counterbalancing conservative talkers. “If the Republicans had their way, we’d only be left with the likes of Glenn Beck, [Rush] Limbaugh and Sarah Palin to dominate the airwaves,” Israel wrote.
With that letter, Williams felt prompted to act. “Rep. Israel has unintentionally endorsed every conservative complaint about NPR as a liberal mouthpiece,” he wrote in his column. “No journalist should have to work with one finger in the political winds, anxiously waiting to see if Democrats continue to be pleased with what they hear on NPR as a counter to what they don’t like hearing from Rush Limbaugh.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51646.html#ixzz1HFatOe5Q
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
“Journalists should not be doing news to please any donors — private citizens, political parties or government officials — out of fear of losing funding,” he wrote. But he fears that at NPR, they are doing just that.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51646.html#ixzz1HFb0OyMo
patriot
March 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
It would be far more helpful to the discussion if all the republicans posting would just admit that Bush is just as big a war criminal as Obama and that both have engaged in launching unconstitutional and immoral wars against nations that have never attacked or threatened our security. The Democrats need to do the same. The back and forth name calling serves nobody well, least of all the victims of our imperial overreach.
electrician
March 21st, 2011
12:03 pm
Debbie…vietnam was a police action.let me say that my son was permanently disabled in afghanistan.he survived but his marriage did not,I DO NOT CARE WHAT THE DEFINITION OF WAR IS!,people get killed and that is how it is,my son is separated from his sons by 800 miles as well as me .so take your platitudes elsewhere
Doggone/GA
March 21st, 2011
12:03 pm
“do you not remember the weapons inspectors? Hans Blix mean anything to you?”
I does indeed. He and his team reported that they were given access to every site they requested, including Saddam Hussein’s personal compounds and residences and NO WMD were found.
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
RE Hillary and Obama and Libya
The former Bush insider, who advised No. 43 during the lead-up to the Iraq war, portrayed President Obama’s secretary of state as the voice of reason in a “reluctant” administration struggling over what to do about Libya.
Ultimately, Rove said on Fox News, Clinton knew that “action needed to be taken and we needed to work with our allies and take concrete steps to remove Qadhafi from power and constrain his attacks on the small ‘d’ democrats in the east of the country.”
“God bless her for doing it,” Rove said, adding that the episode showed why “we need strong members of the Cabinet.”
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:05 pm
“If the president is reelected, do you want to serve a second term as secretary of state?” Blitzer asked. “No,” she said.
He continued. “Would you like to serve as secretary of defense?” “No.”
“Would you like to be vice president of the United States” he prodded. “No,” she answered, again.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51425.html#ixzz1HFbekvE7
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:05 pm
BMDPD…
George W, you think it has worked out great. I am ultra conservative and would hardly call it great.
It has helped bury our country in debt. – NO OBAMA HAS BURIED OUR COUNTRY IN DEBT!
It has empowered the Ach mini jihad in Iran. – Actually Iran could be a stong ally to America if the Ayatollah could be removed.
We have lost a lot of troops and the Iraqi civilians are no better off. – While I hate losing even 1 American life. There were more Americans Killed in one day during WWII than the entire Iraq war.
Christians are killed daily. – Please post facts…..this is an issue with Muslims not just Iraq.
If So dammmm was still in power, we wouldn’t have those issues – You are right we would just be going to war with him every 4 years and worrying about him using WMD’s.
patriot
March 21st, 2011
12:06 pm
And while we’re at it, add Clinton, Reagan, Bush I, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman (for sure), FDR (for sure), and Wilson to the list. At least for the 20th century.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
12:10 pm
George W@ 11:55: Doggone……do you not remember the weapons inspectors? Hans Blix mean anything to you? How about the mass graves that were uncovered in Iraq?
From DDR – George, You’re dodging her question. This is what she asked you originally…
Doggone/GA at 11:52: Or try educating us…who was fighting whom in Iraq BEFORE we invaded?
Not trying to butt in, just want to see your answer to her question.///drive by////
jm
March 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
What’s the difference between the neighborhood slut that you have to take to dinner and the one that just hops in bed? Just the price I guess. Obama just requires a little bit of wining and dining apparently.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/opinion/21douthat.html?_r=1
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
Debbie……you think ONLY civil war is a cause to go to war to help defend people in another country????
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:14 pm
Debbie for that matter you could argue the Shi ites and Sunnis…..
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:14 pm
George W. what specifically has Obama done to bury us in debt? Two unfunded wars bury countries in debt. Not programs that have not started yet. Obama is not good for our country, but a strong Iraq (led by a merciless dictator) kept Iran in check.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
12:15 pm
I swear, from the bs that’s peddled here, y’all should run for congress, run for rotor rooter man, or city sewage manager. If it’s all that damned easy, why are y’all wasting your time on an ajc blog. You should have your asses planted in a leather chair somewhere in DC, advising our government on what to do.
Hi DDR!!!
//drive-by
bob from account temps
March 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
what i find laughable is the news account from around the US that state the US is leading the way, including the AJC.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
Why should we defend the people of other countries when we won’t help ours? As in health, education, jobs, etc.?
Mick
March 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
Who cares what karl rove thinks? He’s a traitor and lawbreaker, he should be in shackles and behind bars….
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
Kam, it would take two things the three or so ultra-neo-cons here lack – basic high school reading comprehension skills, and the first shred of intellectual honesty.
Along with brother Normal, I have never wavered an inch in calling for an end to these misguided, mismanaged, criminal Crusades.
Even before they began, I called the Bush/Cheney PNAC pooosies what they rightful were. I also said the never-served, mental midgets were completely incompetent and would f–k things up horrifically. I also said, even before he was elected, that BHO was going to be GWB-lite and another poster boy for the military-industrial complex.
Was I wrong about any of that?
The ultra-non-conservative conservatives know the truth, but to admit so requires some amount of hair downstairs..
And to this day they foolishly STILL try to figure out a way to justify Bush’s deadly mistakes and ignore his serial lack of ethical standards. And the only card they can play is that the Uppity Muslim is doing it too!
Though I said back then that they were dead wrong about him, and that, in 2008. But that is hardly newsworthy.
Forever clueless…
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
BMDPD……how do you think the Iraqi people feel?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
George W. Islam is very violent. Heck, the Sunni and Shiite factions love to kill each other. Their culture needs a strong, tyrannical type government to keep peace. One side has to fear for their lives constantly. That keeps peace! Once you remove the King, dictator, etc.. complete chaos ensues. There is no peace in Islam.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
What’s the difference between the neighborhood slut that you have to take to dinner and the one that just hops in bed?
Douchehat called her a “chunky Reese Witherspoon.”
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
Normal…..last time I checked our health and education are superior to most of the rest of the world…..it is not the job of the government to create jobs! However is doing his best to kill jobs and prevent growth.
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
BMDPD…..really? Iraq actually seems very peaceful now. I actually talked to two soldiers last week they just got back from Iraq and said it has calmed down dramatically, the citizens great appreciate them and they are now functioning similiar to contracted police.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
If Soo damm was still in charge, Yuck mini jihad would have his hands full with Iraq. He wouldn’t have time to run his mouth and cause trouble. He would be too worried about Soo dammm. When we took out our enemy in Iraq, we took out Yuck mini jihad’s enemy too. Incidently, Sooo dam = Sunni and Yuck mini = Shiite. Christians were free to worship under Sooo dam. I will pull up sources shortly.
Jefferson
March 21st, 2011
12:21 pm
When Libya shoots down a passenger jet with US folks on board, some will wonder why.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
12:21 pm
**However is doing his best to kill jobs and prevent growth.**
Complete and utter fiction only believed by the uninformed….
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
12:21 pm
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
Well said.
And that has been the fear since the fall of the USSR.
Where there is a strongman, there is stability.
Remove him and the instability can cause things to go cataclysmic…
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
12:21 pm
Brother AmVet
Your fan club hangs on your every word, but somehow the point that you didn’t support Obama escapes them.
I wonder what it takes to become a member of your fan club, and are there matching T-shirts involved.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:22 pm
George, wow I love my friend google…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12022146
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
AmVet……you are right USSR was better then that it is now???? GREAT POST!! HAHAHAHAH
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
BMDPD…..so what is your point?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:24 pm
AmVet, you don’t give me the Islam is a religion of peace argument?
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
George W
I agree, but getting our honest, trustworthy Congress to act never seems to work.
George W
March 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
Heading to lunch be back later….
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
12:26 pm
Kam, back during the Reign of Error, I would wear my “I’m a Veteran, I don’t Vote for Deserters” t-shirt to Kroger, etc just to see how many people noticed and how many Bush fans got PO’d.
It was a real laugh.
This one is also good for a chuckle…
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1181.snc4/150325_451298162749_545277749_6034168_7107387_n.jpg
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
12:27 pm
BMDPD, why on earth would I?
They are just following in the deadly historic footsteps of their Abrahamic cousins – the Christians…
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:27 pm
My point is that Islam needs tyrants as much as we need freedom. Attacking Libya was not smart and in hindsight attacking Iraq wasn’t smart. If I had to do it over again, Soo dam would still be in charge and we would have totally destroyed every single Taliban/AlQaeda member by a complete invasion of Afghanistan. We don’t even know who the ‘rebels’ are in Libya! I don’t know how many times I have to repeat that!
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
12:28 pm
WOW
So, you don’t think there is any moral corruption and decay in America?
If so, you need to find another site that more suits your mental capacity. A good tabloid trash site would be more in your line.
poison pen
March 21st, 2011
12:30 pm
AmVet, what do you wear to Krogers now? ” I don’t vote for anyone who never served ”
I have an honorable discharge also but I don’t need to brag about it, do you want sympathy or what??????
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:30 pm
AmVet, interesting that you should say that. This nation, in which most still align their beliefs with Christ doesn’t need a dictator.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
12:32 pm
…we would have totally destroyed every single Taliban/AlQaeda member by a complete invasion of Afghanistan.
Chinggis Khaan couldn’t conquer Afghanistan, and it was in his backyard.
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
Juan Williams is a petty little man with little intellectual integrity. I think he fits in great at FOX. His views on NPR are about as valid as OJ Simpson’s views on the US legal system. His thoughts are of no validity whatsoever.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
I think the competing squirrels in Newt’s head had an argument this weekend.
Just sayin’ . . .
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
Kamchak, I know that it is not possible to take Afghanistan. No one in history has. However, we wasted a lot of resources in Iraq, while the enemy was in Afghanistan. There is only one way to take a country like Afghanistan and America is not mean enough to do it. It goes completely against what we TRY to portray to the rest of the world.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
12:36 pm
“His thoughts are of no validity whatsoever.”
One could make such a claim about the majority of posters on this blog, including you.
John Birch
March 21st, 2011
12:37 pm
Bush was deemed by many, on the left, as being the worst President ever. Why? Primarily for attacking a “sovereign” nation, running up massive debt, and giving tax cuts primarily to the rich. I now officially nominate Obamination as the worst President ever. Why? Escalating the war in “sovereing” Afghanistan far beyond the two brigades the campaigned on, attacking the “sovereign” nation of Libya, which hasn’t attacked us, doubling the annual deficits Bush ran, and cont9inuing the tax cuts for the rich. I’m still waiting for the HOPE AND CHANGE YOU CAN BELEIVE IN!!!!!!!!!
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
12:39 pm
B @12:30. true dat.
And when the affected people in those Muslim countries do what we western civilizations all did starting 250 years ago – forcibly take away the stranglehold power of their murderous men of the cloth – things will get better…
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:40 pm
Kam, you cannot be politically correct and win a war.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:41 pm
AmVet, keep dreaming.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
12:42 pm
john birch
You make some valid points but in order to qualify for the worst, eight years of damage need to be inflicted upon the country. Obama still lags very far behing bush in that regard…
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
12:44 pm
The myth of political correctness is just another way for silly cons to wallow in victim-hood.
Abrazos
March 21st, 2011
12:44 pm
“If Obama and the coalition capture Gaddafy, will he be tried in NY City?”
A trial in NYC would be great for the parents of all the Syracuse University students who were killed at the behest of Libya on PanAm 103 in 1988. However, if arrested alive, Gadhafi would be tried at the Hague. The International Criminal Court has already opened a war crimes investigation of Moammar Gadhafi, his sons and top aides.
John Birch
March 21st, 2011
12:44 pm
Bush attacks sovereign” nation = antichrist who should be treid as a war criminal, O attacks “sovereign” nation = just playing the cards he was dealt. Lib’s, unlike Doc Holliday in Tombstone, hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
This is just a carefully orchestrated balancing act by Hope & Change designed to please no one and offend no one, and done simply for political purposes looking ahead to 2012.
When you’re the least qualified person in any room you enter, as he nearly always is, this is the best we can expect.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
12:46 pm
Has the AJC stopped paying and/or decreased payment to their Opinion Columnists/Writers/Bloggers? Has anyone else noticed how they only post a column maybe 3x a week instead of daily?
John Birch
March 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
mick – He’ll have the 8 year Bush deficit surpassed in three years, so I’d say he’s well on his way. Hopefully, we won’t have 8 years of this Obamination, the last one never should have gotten a second term and wouldn’t have if the Dems had anything but that loser Kerry to run against him.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
I have no dreams about religion. I simply note the uncanny similarities between their zealots and ours…
Birch, not so fast, when GWB-lite, BHO gets 5,000+ more dead GIs sent home, when he sends environmental protections reeling backwards thirty to fifty years, when he orchestrates another final siege of the the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism, when he sleeps at switch while we get attacked, when he contrives a Crusade, let me know…
Mick
March 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
**When you’re the least qualified person in any room you enter, as he nearly always is, this is the best we can expect**
He won the majority of votes in 2008, so that makes him the most qualified man to be in the room. When and if he is ousted in 2012, then your argument will be validated…but only then.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Kamchack, my point was that you cannot win a war with that culture without being extremely cruel. That is the only language that they understand. That is why they need a strong dictator to keep their countries from unravelling into chaos. You need to put the fear of their God into them. What you don’t realize is that this is a holy war. If one side believes it is a holy war, then you have a holy war. You have to feed their bodies to pigs, use pig blood on them prior to killing them in the streets for all to witness. If you drive them out and start re-building, they will just come back. They do not understand love. They understand cruelty and hate. That is why they have to be ruled by tyrants!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
john birch
Who do you see on the horizon? I see a steady stream of losers lined up to be the new boss same as the old boss…we don’t have a system that will push someone who has integrity and honesty to the top. In order to make it, you need to sell your soul for the money and power… we are in a very bad cycle of politics…
Chris Matthews
March 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Obama is clueless! Worst President in American History!
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
Mick, you need to keep up with the argument on “qualifications”.
His was the least vetted, lightest resume in Presidential history, and in THAT regard, he remains the least qualified in every room he enters.
And it is a crying shame that every time this is brought up, libs like you deflect to the “legal” qualifications, rather than try to defend his actual lack of experience, accomplishments or resume.
Paulo977
March 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
Doggone
“NO WMD were found.” Did they interpret it to mean the man had actually found some?..The misinterpretation of so many things is astounding!!!
Bill Orvis White
March 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
Speaker Gingrich is right. Hussein Obama is incompetent and arrogant – end of story. Lil Hussein doesn’t understand what he is doing and as a result, is increasing the deficit he created. So, Lil Hussein waved the white flag of surrender in Iraq, screwed up Afghanistan and bombed Libya willy-nilly. When will someone start impeachment hearings? Now, as the incompetent bombings continue with Socialist England and France, Lil Hussein is on a $1.2 million/day trip to South America where he is dining on $115 Chilean Sea Bass. Good night!
Amen,
Bill
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
12:57 pm
An individual considered one of the most ruthless conquerors of all time couldn’t take Afghanistan.
You have been punked the same as all others
Mick
March 21st, 2011
12:59 pm
dave r
If it were so easy to become president, than why don’t you give it a whack? The primary system is a marathon and he bested hillary, became the nominee, then beat mccain. Timing and luck also play a part. If mccain did not pick palin, then he might be the one leading us into more wars. Like it or not, and this is where your prejudice shows, obama was vetted by the people and was chosen…you just don’t like it…by the way the previous president was similarly lightly vetted and lost the popular vote…go figure..
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
12:59 pm
Mick – “we are in a very bad cycle of politics”
So true. And, to make matters worse, there seems to be no way to break out of this cycle.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:00 pm
bill orvis
Are you a serious person or a cartoon character?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:02 pm
Kam, they could be taken, you would have to wipe them completely out, but they could be taken. Our country is not man enough to do it. It is people like you, that make it that way.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
Mick,
8 years of damage? I see you’re good for a little revisionist history there Mick. The reality is that for 6 of his 8 years under Bush we enjoyed decent economic growth, low inflation, and low unemployment on average of around 5%. Those are the facts sir.
The bad is that Bush got us involved in an unpopular Iraq war and he ran deficits. But the reality is that in just over 2 years under Obama we are still experiencing 9% unemployment and 10.4% here in Georgia, inflation is on the rise with dramatic recent rises in food prices, and gas is soaring towards $4 a gallon. Inflation is expected to get even worse.
And while we criticize Bush for deficits the reality is that he is an spending midget compared to the spending goliath known as Obama. The numbers don’t lie. Nearly 5 trillion in new debt, a projected 1.6 trillion dollar debt for FY 2011, and the Obama administration itself has projected large deficits through 2020. Just the facts sir.
On the war front Obama has kept us in the same 2 wars that Bush started and is now opening up a 3rd front in Libya. And in case you haven’t noticed he is not going to close gitmo.
You can look at any criticism of Bush- wars, deficits, unemployment, economic growth, inflation including the cost of food and gas etc. and look at the same issues under Obama and in all of these issues things are the same or dramatically worse under Obama. The facts do not lie.
Swede Atlanta
March 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
BMDPD – you are off the mark with your analysis of the relationship between Islam and the need for strong autocratic rule.
Indonesia, the world’s fourth most populous country with the largest Muslim population is a republic with an elected president and legislature. Malaysia is a contitutional monarchy following a Brtish model. Turkey is a republic with elected leaders and potentially on track to become a member of the European Union.
These nations with majority Muslim populations are for the most part secular – i.e. Islamic law may inform their civil laws but do not define them.
So it is easy to look across the Muslim world and find a host of autocratic rulers. Many of these nations lack any history of democratic institutions dating back to European imperialism. The very existence and composition of many countries in the Middle East owe to decisions taken by the Europeans and to a lesser extent Americans after both world wars.
But you ignore from your analysis a country like Indonesia which, while not perfect, has a democratically elected government and is the most populous Muslim nation on earth.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
1:06 pm
History has proven that people like you have failed miserably in Afghanistan.
There’s an old saying — something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:06 pm
**Nearly 5 trillion in new debt**
That has been debunked here time and time again….the policies of clinton were an advantage to bush whereby the policies of bush came crashing down in sept 08. Talk about revisionist history?
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:07 pm
Both of the Nations mentioned either had heavy Christian or European influence. Try again.
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
Bill Orvis White: Speaker Gingrich is right. Hussein Obama is incompetent and arrogant – end of story
He hasn’t been speaker for quite a while, you know, and incompetence and arrogance are prime reasons for how that turned out. Remember?
Now, as the incompetent bombings continue with Socialist England and France
Ha ha, that’s a laugh. Do you read much Orvis? No, Drudge Report doesn’t count.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
And once again, Mick, you deflect to votes, rather than actual qualifications.
Executive experience = None.
Legislative experience (including actual developed and passed bills) = None.
Previous work history that might qualify you for this position = None.
Ability to charm the crap out of the mindless masses = Extensive.
This is what you voted for, Mick. And no matter how much you try to avoid the discussion, this is the least qualified President in history. And the reason why we have a rudder-less ship of state 2 years following his inauguration.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
Afghanistan can definitely be taken. That is not the issue.
The issue is that the tribal areas of the porous Pakistan side of the border with Afgh. cannot be taken. And in the history of guerrilla warfare a guerilla movement operating freely from the sanctuary of another country has never been defeated. And never will. They can simply outwait us.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:09 pm
Also, either one of those countries could be destabilized at any time.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
How is it that one Neo-Con can say the government is not responsible for creating jobs and another Neo-Con will blame President Obama for the high unemployment rate in the country? Just askin’
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:11 pm
Thulsa, if you kill all of their women and children, they won’t have anything to come back to!
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
Please do not think I am advocating that, though.
Swede Atlanta
March 21st, 2011
1:13 pm
BMDPD
I don’t need to try again. Your broad assertion is that Islam, and those that practice it, require strong autocratic rule.
I don’t dispute that Indonesia was Dutch and they ruled with a ruthless despotism. Malaysia fared better under British rule. The Ottoman Empire that dissolved after the First World War had not been under European control since the days then the Ottoman Turks charged the gates of Vienna and defeated the Christians.
There are absolutely no facts to maintain a broad assertion that Muslims require autocratic rule. If you knew a little more about the Middle East (I lived there for 5 years) and its history you would not make such baseless claims.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:13 pm
dave r
OK, in your book just because you get the most votes doesn’t matter. I have many issues with obama and his presidency but I would take him 100 time over rather than his predecessor, who I never felt comfortable with either. The bush resume was predictable in that every company he ever ran or started went bankrupt and that’s just how he left america…
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:15 pm
Swede, you are so full of it and bought into their crap. Muslims will kiss your butt in the daytime only to stab you in the back at night. It is a cultural thing. I too, have spent my share of time with them.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
1:15 pm
“How is it that one Neo-Con can say the government is not responsible for creating jobs and another Neo-Con will blame President Obama for the high unemployment rate in the country?”
Easy, Normal.
Goverment can’t create jobs without creating a deficit. The amount they pay to create jobs can NEVER be overcome by the taxes they generate. However, government can get in the way of creating jobs through policies and procedures that discourage investment in new jobs. That is where we are today.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
1:17 pm
“OK, in your book just because you get the most votes doesn’t matter.”
Only in WHO gets elected, not in any qualifications for election.
And Bush is no longer President (nor could he have run again), so that dog no longer hunts. This is strictly about the current office-holder, whose lack of record you continue to ignore.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
“Oh, hello my friend!” They say with a smile on their face. “I take you anywhere you want to go for 5 dinar!” still grinning. If you cannot detect the insincerity in their voices and sly smile, then you are nuts!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:19 pm
“I called the Bush/Cheney PNAC pooosies what they rightful were. ”
Hey Loughner, what other kinds of awesome names can you call the right?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
“Kam, it would take two things the three or so ultra-neo-cons here lack – basic high school reading comprehension skills, and the first shred of intellectual honesty.”
Hey Vet, where did you get your PHD?
OHHHHHHHHHHHH, that’s right, you ain’t got one.
Swede Atlanta
March 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
BMDPD
You obviously have very little personal experience with Muslims and next to no knowledge about Islamic history.
I do not dispute that there are extremist Muslims but I also don’t deny that Christians have hundreds of thousands of human beings in the name of their faith. Christian extremists in this country continue to kill in the name of their faith.
I haven’t bought into anything but have come to my conclusions based on facts and experience. Where do you get your facts and conclusions? I suggest probably the Faux News talking points memo.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
“So, you don’t think there is any moral corruption and decay in America?”
Absolutely, just look at AmVet.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
Dave R.
Then let me ask this. Let’s say the Federal Government starts working the railroad. Creating jobs for the reconstruction and jobs for the running of it all. Don’t you think that, run as a business, it would make enough to pay salaries and put a little back in the til(Government general fund)?
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
dave r
I think obama is doing ok with all the issues he has to deal with. I could not envision a mccain presidency doing significantly better. As far as light resumes, there were many presidents who should not have been. So far, this rep house has been a bust….
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
Red card?
Or yellow?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
“Christian extremists in this country continue to kill in the name of their faith. ”
Where/who?
A dad
March 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
Funny seeing all the liberal comments supporting Osamabama’s getting us involved in Libya. Would all you libs blogging here please inform us how many of your sons and daughters are currently serving in the U.S. military…. A show of hands please. Hands? How about just a hand then. One hand? Hmmmm.
Funny how people on both sides of the political fence can put on those rose colored glasses when it comes to sending our armed forces into harm’s way. Guess war is ok if you agree with it, but then again, without your sons and daughtersout there on the front line, you really have nothing to lose do you.
Dad (aka retired CPO/USN, Gulf War vet, been there done that so yes, I’m speaking from experience not what I read or saw on C-Span).
Paulo977
March 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
Swede
Atlanta
“The very existence and composition of many countries in the Middle East owe to decisions taken by the Europeans and to a lesser extent Americans after both world wars”… How right you are! Unfortunately, many of us are woefully uninformed about the part western powers have played in infecting these areas with the ” innner colonialism “syndrome!!
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
Swede, check this out 1500 years of……………..autocratic rule. They can’t handle it otherwise.
http://middleastforum.blogspot.com/2011/02/arab-leaders-dilemma.html
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
“I could not envision a mccain presidency doing significantly better.”
Which is totally irrelevant to anything.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
wow@1:20
You are constantly whining about personal attacks, yet that is your first comment this afternoon – hypocritimus maximus…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
A dad
Watch out, certain people on this blog will start hurling insults your way.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:24 pm
“You are constantly whining about personal attacks, yet that is your first comment this afternoon – hypocritimus maximus…”
Where did I throw out a personal attack?
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
1:25 pm
Mick,
Aaaaah. I get it now. When Bush did well it was because of Clinton’s previous policies. Oh. Otay. This despite the fact that Bush inherited the dotcom bust and a recession from Clinton. And of course well over 2 years into Obama’s presidency I get it. Its all George Bush’s fault. Its also George Bush’s fault that Obama has a projected 1.6 trillion dollar deficit and that the Obama administration itself has projected large deficits through 2020. And that’s all Bush’s fault too I suspect?
Joe Mama
March 21st, 2011
1:27 pm
Thulsa Doom: “8 years of damage? I see you’re good for a little revisionist history there Mick. The reality is that for 6 of his 8 years under Bush we enjoyed decent economic growth, low inflation, and low unemployment on average of around 5%. Those are the facts sir.”
Actually, I can demonstrate to you — using the government’s own numbers — that employment DECREASED during the whole of Bush’s administration. Let me know if you’d like to see the numbers, and get your pencil and paper ready, because there will be math.
Your “facts,” at least as regards employment, do not tell the whole story. But raw numbers do, and I shall be pleased to present them to you.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:27 pm
doom
Why is the deficit 1.6 trillion? the iraq war was off the books during bush, that is a fact, obama put it ON the books. This has been argued ad infinitum, sorry you missed it…
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
1:28 pm
What’s the difference between the neighborhood slut that you have to take to dinner and the one that just hops in bed? Just the price I guess. Obama just requires a little bit of wining and dining apparently.
jm appears to have quite the fond memories of Bush.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:28 pm
Swede, I have plenty of experience with Muslims. That is what is so funny. If I had time I would tell you a story of a Muslim ‘friend’ and what he did. Where he put his priorities. Your issue is that you are dumb enough to believe them. “Islam is a religion of peace, my friend.”
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
1:31 pm
Kam, you and others here are correct; three words are all that is needed at this point.
Tick…tick…tick….
The only real question is how soon.
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
1:33 pm
Doggone/GA @12:03 pm “do you not remember the weapons inspectors? Hans Blix mean anything to you?” I does indeed. He and his team reported that they were given access to every site they requested, including Saddam Hussein’s personal compounds and residences and NO WMD were found.
That’s not what he (Blix) said.
I shall only give some examples of issues and questions that need to be answered, and I turn first to the sector of chemical weapons.
The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed. Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tons, and that the quality was poor and the product unstable.
Consequently, it was said that the agent was never weaponized.
Iraq said that the small quantity of [the] agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.
UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared.
There are also indications that the agent was weaponized. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals, which Iraq states were lost during bombing in the Gulf War or were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq.
I would now like to turn to the so-called air force document that I have discussed with the council before. This document was originally found by an UNSCOM inspector in a safe in Iraqi air force headquarters in 1998, and taken from her by Iraq minders. It gives an account of the expenditure of bombs, including chemical bombs by Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War. I’m encouraged by the fact that Iraq has now provided this document to UNMOVIC.
The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi air force between 1983 and 1998, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tons. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.
The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at the storage depot, 170 kilometers southwest of Baghdad, was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved here in the past few years at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions. The investigation of these rockets is still proceeding.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Sweet Haysus,
You just gotta love religion of any type…
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/03/ap-bahrain-king-makes-veiled-charge-against-iran-032111/
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
1:36 pm
Doggone/GA @12:03 pm “do you not remember the weapons inspectors? Hans Blix mean anything to you?” I does indeed. He and his team reported that they were given access to every site they requested, including Saddam Hussein’s personal compounds and residences and NO WMD were found.
He said more things too:
I turn to biological weapons. I mention the issue of anthrax to the council on previous occasions, and I come back to it as it is an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 liters of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.
Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.
There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared and that at least some of this was retained over the declared destruction date. It might still exist.
Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was indeed destroyed in 1991.
As I reported to the council on the 19th of December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kilos, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as reported in Iraq’s submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As a part of its 7 December 2002 declaration Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate, as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered.
In the letter of 24th of January this year to the president of the Security Council, Iraq’s foreign minister stated that, I quote, “All imported quantities of growth media were declared.” This is not evidence. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 liters of concentrated anthrax.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
“Kam, you and others here are correct; three words are all that is needed at this point.”
Uh huh.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
“Don’t you think that, run as a business, it would make enough to pay salaries and put a little back in the til?”
No. Not even remotely possible.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
ObamaGraib
‘Repugnant’: U.S. army apologises for graphic photos of soldiers with civilian corpses as violence is feared in Afghanistan
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368314/German-newspaper-publishes-suppressed-photos-U-S-soldiers-posing-partially-naked-Afghan-corpse.html#ixzz1HFz7R9Tg
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
AmVet
What I type is nothing compared to the sophomoric comments you make.
jm
March 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
That much his administration has achieved. In its opening phase, at least, our war in Libya looks like the beau ideal of a liberal internationalist intervention. It was blessed by the United Nations Security Council. It was endorsed by the Arab League. It was pushed by the diplomats at Hillary Clinton’s State Department, rather than the military men at Robert Gates’s Pentagon. Its humanitarian purpose is much clearer than its connection to American national security. And it was initiated not by the U.S. Marines or the Air Force, but by the fighter jets of the French Republic.
This is an intervention straight from Bill Clinton’s 1990s playbook, in other words, and a stark departure from the Bush administration’s more unilateralist methods. There are no “coalitions of the willing” here, no dismissive references to “Old Europe,” no “you are with us or you are with the terrorists.” Instead, the Obama White House has shown exquisite deference to the very international institutions and foreign governments that the Bush administration either steamrolled or ignored.
This way of war has obvious advantages. It spreads the burden of military action, sustains rather than weakens our alliances, and takes the edge off the world’s instinctive anti-Americanism. Best of all, it encourages the European powers to shoulder their share of responsibility for maintaining global order, instead of just carping at the United States from the sidelines.
But there are major problems with this approach to war as well. Because liberal wars depend on constant consensus-building within the (so-called) international community, they tend to be fought by committee, at a glacial pace, and with a caution that shades into tactical incompetence. And because their connection to the national interest is often tangential at best, they’re often fought with one hand behind our back and an eye on the exits, rather than with the full commitment that victory can require.
These problems dogged American foreign policy throughout the 1990s, the previous high tide of liberal interventionism. In Somalia, the public soured on our humanitarian mission as soon as it became clear that we would be taking casualties as well as dispensing relief supplies. In the former Yugoslavia, NATO imposed a no-flight zone in 1993, but it took two years of hapless peacekeeping and diplomatic wrangling, during which the war proceeded unabated, before American air strikes finally paved the way for a negotiated peace.
Our 1999 intervention in Kosovo offers an even starker cautionary tale. The NATO bombing campaign helped topple Slobodan Milosevic and midwifed an independent Kosovo. But by raising the stakes for both Milosevic and his Kosovo Liberation Army foes, the West’s intervention probably inspired more bloodletting and ethnic cleansing in the short term, exacerbating the very humanitarian crisis it was intended to forestall.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/21/opinion/21douthat.html?_r=1
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
Doggone/GA @12:03 pm “do you not remember the weapons inspectors? Hans Blix mean anything to you?” I does indeed. He and his team reported that they were given access to every site they requested, including Saddam Hussein’s personal compounds and residences and NO WMD were found.
Hans Blix had more to say:
Iraq has also declared the recent import of chemicals used in propellants, test instrumentation and guidance and control system. These items may well be for proscribed purposes; that is yet to be determined.
What is clear is that they were illegally brought into Iraq; that is, Iraq or some company in Iraq circumvented the restrictions imposed by various resolutions.
Mr. President, I have touched upon some of the disarmament issues that remain open and that need to be answered if dossiers are to be closed and confidence is to arise.
Which are the means at the disposal of Iraq to answer these questions?
I have pointed to some during my presentation of the issues, let me be a little more systematic. Our Iraqi counterparts are fond of saying that there are no proscribed items and if no evidence is presented to the contrary, they should have the benefit of the doubt; be presumed innocent.
UNMOVIC, for its part, is not presuming that there are proscribed items and activities in Iraq. But nor is it, or I think anyone else, after the inspections between 1991 and ‘98 presuming the opposite, that no such items and activities exist in Iraq. Presumptions do not solve the problem; evidence and full transparency may help.
The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the lacing enrichment of uranium, support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. This interpretation is refuted by the Iraqi side which claims that research staff sometimes may bring papers from their work places.
On our side, we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes
jm
March 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
Love me some Liberal War.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
Mick,
Sorry dude but I just deal in facts. Here are the facts sir regarding deficits as a % of GDP.
* Bush average: 2.7% (including the 8.3% for FY 2009 when President Bush left office in January);
* Obama average (projected for two terms spanning nine fiscal years): 6.35%
The Bush presidency shows eight years of deficits averaging 2.0 percent of GDP, followed by a horrible ninth year as the markets collapsed and the economy plunged into recession. … Even 2008’s bigger deficit than 2007 can be mostly explained by a revenue decline as the economy slipped into recession pre-crash.
Before the crash of late 2008 President Bush’s budget deficits were 0.6 percentage points smaller than the historic average. Deficits did not “spiral” during the Bush presidency or the decade. The bumped around the historic average, then spiked up in the last year.
Yeah, but what about that horrible 8.3% in 2009 when President Bush left office? That figure is a combination of a severe decline in federal revenues as the economy tanked, plus the projected costs of TARP for fiscal year 2009. If we include that terrible ninth year in the Bush average (as we should), then the average Bush deficit is still only 2.7%, one tenth of a percentage point above the average over the past four decades. (All data are from CBO’s [the Congressional Budget Office's] historic tables.)
Yes, that last year sucked. Yes, when President Obama took office he faced an enormous projected budget deficit for his first year in office (which jumped from 8.3% when President Bush left in January to 9.9% at the end of that fiscal year).
But it is inaccurate and misleading to characterize the previous decade as “a decade of spiraling deficits.”
And the reality as I’ve pointed out to you is that Obama has continued spending like a drunken sailor and his own Administration’s has large projected deficits through 2020. Next you’re probably going to dispute the obama administration’s own projected deficits.
Dave R.
March 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
“So far, this rep house has been a bust….”
More deflection, Mick.
And only two months in, with a Democrat-led Senate? Please. Could you at least TRY to show some objectivity once in a while?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
Mick
Still waiting on your answer to the comment I made.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
Normal
How much do drunken sailors usually spend? Just askin’.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
Normal, that is why we need to Bomb Bahrain immediately. They are killing civilians there. Thus, they must be bombed! Right? Isn’t that proper logic?
jm
March 21st, 2011
1:46 pm
Liberal Wars are good wars, Conservative Wars are bad wars.
MOM
March 21st, 2011
1:47 pm
WOW- “What I type is nothing”
Fixed for her.
Mrs. Butterworth
March 21st, 2011
1:50 pm
Quote of the Day:
But Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Powder Springs, chairman of the House budget subcommittee on higher education, said all students need the state’s help.
“I don’t make any distinction between Georgia’s children, whether they decide to go to a private or public institution,” said Ehrhart, a leading proponent of k-12 private school vouchers. “I think we ought to support them.”
Paul
March 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
WOW
“AmVet What I type is nothing compared to the sophomoric comments you make” comebacks are beginning to sound a lot like
http://tinyurl.com/4zcxozw
just sayin’ -
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
Well, I’m way late to the party today, but in my opinion, this is the right thing to do. It’s not being done unilaterially, we have the approval of the Arab League and this is a NATO mission where the command will soon be handed to the French or British.
Should have been done years ago.
Bob
March 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
Where is code pink ? Is this a war for oil ?
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
doom
You still did not account for the iraq war spending, it did cost close to a trillion or more, correct? The only spending on obama’s watch was the stimulus which I know all repubs hate and villify yet gladly took the money when it would benefit them…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
1:53 pm
Liberal Wars are good wars, Conservative Wars are bad wars.
If only you realized how absolutely fu*king childish you sound saying something like that…. War is hell. Military personnel die regardless to whomever is in charge in DC. Put your ass on the ground in Afghanistan and tell me if you can discern whether it’s Liberal or Conservative. It’s foolishness such as that which keeps any grown-up dialogue from happening in this country…..
Normal
March 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
Every penny!
_________________________________
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
I hope that was just a lame attempt to be funny.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
“You still did not account for the iraq war spending, it did cost close to a trillion or more, correct?”
Speaking of not answering questions……….
jm
March 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
Anybody ready for a US vacation from War? If so, vote Libertarian 2012.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
**Liberal Wars are good wars, Conservative Wars are bad wars**
There is no credence to that comment, most all wars are bad.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
Mick,
I haven’t read all the comments today, is Doom back? Cool (if that’s the case). I like the Doom.
George W
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
Mick….you are right the ObamaCare bill has not cost us anything! NICE
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
Mick @1:27 pm doom Why is the deficit 1.6 trillion? the iraq war was off the books during bush, that is a fact, obama put it ON the books. This has been argued ad infinitum, sorry you missed it…
Bush’ last budget deficit was about $485B(*). The annual cost of the wars is about $133B (about $5.4B/month in Iraq, about $5.7B/month in Afghanistan). If the wars were moved from off-book to on-bok as you state, the deficit would be $618B, if Pres. Bush budget were in play.
Instead we have $1.6T deficit, and the wars are being wound down, with *only* 50,000 “non-combat” troops providing “security”. The extra $1T is spent on what exactly?
(*) TARP spending pushed that figure up over $1T, but TARP was a one-time deal, which is expected to be (and has in large part been) paid back. Note that the TARP expenditures have added to Bush’s deficit, but the repayments have been credited to Obama’s revenue, in effect masking the true Obama deficit.
Note that the deficit really belongs to Congress as much if not more than the President.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
“If only you realized how absolutely fu*king childish you sound saying something like that’
If that’s true, you must really hate the left.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
lawow
Reread you 1:20…OK?
jm
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
Oh Soco 1:53. Relax. War is hell, and I’m not fond of it. And very, very tired of it.
George W
March 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
Mick…..Obama spent more of the tax payers money in his first year than any other president!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
“Reread you 1:20…OK?”
Don’t have to because I typed it. Now, where in it did I name call?
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
” Is this a war for oil ?”
I would say for Europe, yes, for us, not so much.
jm
March 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
Bosch 1:56 – true dat
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
george w
Obamacare has not cost anything…..yet
Bosch – good afternoon, yes the doom has got me going around into arguments past…
George W
March 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
Bosch…..did you say the same thing about Iraq? “War for oil”.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
Mick
You must have missed reading my comment comparing AmVet to Jared Loughner about a week ago. I posted the NY Times article about how Loughner hated Bush etc. I then pointed out that he reminded me of AmVet which is totally true. Both guys are anti-Bush, big conspiracy types and both think 911 was an inside job.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
Normal: How is it that one Neo-Con can say the government is not responsible for creating jobs and another Neo-Con will blame President Obama for the high unemployment rate in the country? Just askin’
Swede: How true. If anyone really wanted to become informed, all they’d have to do is look up BP Oil, how and why it got started, and their dealings in the Middle East.
George W
March 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
Mick…….Really…..all of the time and legislations it is taking to pass or repeal is not costing us anything? WOW…..I AM AMAZED!!!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
wow
OK, ok, play your little game….
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
“I would say for Europe, yes, for us, not so much.”
So where’s the outrage from the Euro trash?
George W
March 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
What about the fact that Obozo lies about the actual budget…..understated by $2.3 Billion…….
4th Grader
March 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
BMDPD wrote:
Normal, that is why we need to Bomb Bahrain immediately. They are killing civilians there. Thus, they must be bombed! Right? Isn’t that proper logic?
Sorry, BMDPD, not sure if you were being facetious or what, but here goes: Bahrain is a majority Shi’ite country less than 700 nautical miles from Iran, and it has a predominantly Sunni government, with whom the U.S. has vast military contracts, including serving as home to our 12th Fleet.
To be short, there is absolutely nothing that could happen in Bahrain that would interfere with the U.S. government’s relationship with the current regime.
We have a little more flexibility in Yemen as that leader has only recently come under U.S. control, and he could be replaced. When peaceful demonstrations are begun and maintained by mostly secular-based organized groups of young people, as in Egypt, the U.S. State Dept will support them. Libya is the exception to the rule requiring peaceful protests only because Col Gadhafi is on a list of world leaders whose ouster the West would always support given the opportunity.
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
Bosch…..did you say the same thing about Iraq? “War for oil”.
I think he said no blood for oil…………and it’s still true……….
WOW
March 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
“OK, ok, play your little game….”
What game, Mick?
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
**all of the time and legislations it is taking to pass or repeal is not costing us anything? WOW**
That cost is a pittance, maybe they should just let it be then…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
“I think he said no blood for oil…………and it’s still true……….”
If the Iraq war was all about oil, we sure got hosed as a nation.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
WOW
I don’t hate the left, and I don’t hate the right. What I hate, however, is grown-up assed men/women who talk and argue like fu*king 5th graders instead of just dealing with whatever issues are on the table.
jm
I have a nephew who survived an IED hitting his Humvee. My best friend would be my late best friend if it were not for a dud RPG. I’m tired of people making stupid assed comments such as the one you made. You’re telling me to relax, but I have to greet soldiers returning from both war zones on a daily basis. Most of them are younger than I am, and I’m just in my late 30’s. If you’re tired of it, do something about it other than making stupid bumper-sticker statements.
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
Normal, it was to illustrate my point that bombing Libya was not a good thing.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
Mick…..your stupidity is amazing……you have to be trying to be intolerable……
Let it be????? Yeah then it will not cost us anything right?? WOW
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
“I don’t hate the left, and I don’t hate the right. What I hate, however, is grown-up assed men/women who talk and argue like fu*king 5th graders instead of just dealing with whatever issues are on the table.”
But aren’t we discussing the issues?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
“Let it be????? Yeah then it will not cost us anything right?? WOW”
What did I do?
4th Grader
March 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
No, Bosch, it’s not a “NATO operation.” Turkey has not yet sanctioned the use of force, and is holding the line at arms embargo, so all of the military action by the coalition forces is being conducted without a NATO mandate.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
George W,
“Bosch…..did you say the same thing about Iraq? “War for oil”.”
I did until I learned where we get alot of our oil from, education is a powerful thing and can sometimes bring you out of ignorance.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
WOW…..no I wasnt saying your name….I was actually using the word.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
Mick,
Go easy on the Doom.
He’s funny.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
“education is a powerful thing and can sometimes bring you out of ignorance.”
ANOTHER left winger throwing out the “education” card. What is it with you left wingers and pretending to have more education than those on the right?
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
Bosch……It is good to see you were able to change your mind. Hopefully one day you will do the same thing about Obama.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
George W
I was just being goofy.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
george w
What’s up with the personal attack? Why are you so excitable about nothing, really? Chill dude, the republic will still be here long after you and I…
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
If you’re tired of it, do something about it other than making stupid bumper-sticker statements.
Setting the bar unreasonably high, dontcha think?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
“What’s up with the personal attack? ”
LOL
@@
March 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
Kamchak:
Your fan club hangs on your every word, but somehow the point that you didn’t support Obama escapes them.
Hasn’t escaped me. AmVet supports a never has been, ever will be third-party candidate for president.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
Mick….OH I hope so…..however your beliefs that Obama is not spending our money faster than our grandkids grandkids will be able to repay.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
4th Grader,
Well it certainly isn’t a US led unilateral operation — to which I have always been vehemenently opposed.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
It’s all that botox.
Pelosi hospitalised in Rome after feeling unwell
US Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was hospitalised on Monday after feeling unwell during a visit to Rome, Italian news agencies said.
Pelosi, in Italy to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Italian nation, was scheduled to meet with Defence Minister Ignazio La Russa and Gianfranco Fini, head of the lower house of parliament, when she felt “slightly unwell.”
The Italian-American democrat was forced to cancel her meeting with La Russa and postpone the one with Fini. She is undergoing tests in Rome’s Umberto I hospital, the agencies said.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
Hey Bosch!
Didn’t miss much this morning. Hardly anyone on the Left would come on line and say if this was good or not, the Right who like it couldn’t bring themselves to give Pres Obama any credit. Interestingly, there are a few on both sides who think it’s not the best thing.
I live the smell of bipartisanship in the morning.
Out for another quick out and back trip tomorrow, but recorder’s set for V. Last week was great. I see TBS has another series in the genre coming out in the fall. Let’s hope this capitalizing for a buck turns out well.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
SoCo 2:00pm – my previous statement was sarcasm (good wars / bad wars). They’re all bad wars. Ergo, relax. Not about wars, about my sarcasm. If you’re sick of wars, call the White House, your congressman, and your senator…..
When I’m sick enough of all this, I’ll do likewise.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
@@
Don’t care.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
“AmVet supports a never has been, ever will be third-party candidate for president.”
So he’s a David Duke supporter?
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
george w
It’s possible to disagree without a personal attack. So you don’t like the president? Welcome to my eight years from 01 – 09.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
“Out for another quick out and back trip tomorrow, but recorder’s set for V. ”
Hate to break it to you, Paul but V is over until next season. Gotta admit, last weeks season ender was EPIC.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
George W.,
In the past ten years I’ve changed my mind about alot of things regarding the conflicts in the Middle East. Situations change, and years go by, and now we’ve had two President’s dealing with the current conflicts, so yes, if you don’t adjust your opinion based on the facts, then that just shows how narrow your scope is.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
But aren’t we discussing the issues?
If that’s what discussions have devolved into, our future is even worse than I thought.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
“Welcome to my eight years from 01 – 09.”
It won’t be that long, Mick. Obama’s gone after next year.
Left wing management
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
jm: “Liberal Wars are good wars, Conservative Wars are bad wars.”
Well, Obama is more conservative than liberal. So does that make this a ‘good’ war?
Normal
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
BMDPD
March 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
Then I agree.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
Mick…..so does that make it fine to sit back and take it. This is the worst president our country has seen since Carter.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
WOW
“Pelosi, in Italy to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Italian nation, was scheduled to meet with Defence Minister Ignazio La Russa and Gianfranco Fini, head of the lower house of parliament, when she felt “slightly unwell”
I have it on good authority she felt weak when she was asked why we attacked a country that never attacked us, that the French were leading and we had no timetable for getting out -
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
Southern Comfort
Calm down.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
HI ya’ Paul! Twas very busy this morning….it’s tax season ya’ know and this year is gonna be a bear to get them done what with me having to deal with my mom’s stuff. I haven’t slept in a week thinking about it.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
WOW botoxed his fingers.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
“I have it on good authority she felt weak when she was asked why we attacked a country that never attacked us, that the French were leading and we had no timetable for getting out -”
Hmmmmm, I’m leading towards the Botox injection angle.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
WOW
Last week was IT?!!? Dang, I thought the writers had finally stepped it up into high gear.
Oh well… thanks for the update… I think….
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
**It won’t be that long, Mick. Obama’s gone after next year.**
That’s exactly what I thought about bush in 04, be prepared for your worst nightmare..
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
“WOW botoxed his fingers.”
Eeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr CRASH!!!!!!! That’s the sound of Taxpayers insult.
Try again, buddy.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
jm
I’m fairly sure they’re sick of hearing from me. I’ve even had the fortune of talking to some face to face. I’ll laugh and joke about many things, but anything relating to the men and women on the ground in the sandbox is off limits, in my honest opinion.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
It won’t be that long, Mick. Obama’s gone after next year
If that’s true, then Hillery will be the next POTUS…
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
Bosch
“In the past ten years I’ve changed my mind about alot of things ”
If you were a politician we’d be treated to endless posts of “flop flopper.”
Thank heavens you aren’t a politician.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Mick…..My worst nightmare…..You mean Pelosi is getting elected?
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
ANOTHER left winger throwing out the “education” card. What is it with you left wingers and pretending to have more education than those on the right?
Reading Comprehension=WOW’s kryptonite.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
“Last week was IT?!!? Dang, I thought the writers had finally stepped it up into high gear.”
Yes, last week was the finale and what a finale it was. I was kind of disappointed that they killed off three main characters but at least it wasn’t predictable.
MARK SINGER!
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
SoCo – pointing out Liberal hypocrisy is not a “stupid assed” statement. Its just reality.
Wars are awful things, POTUS’s of all stripes end up in them. Obama isn’t even driving the ship anymore, its a bit ridiculous. He got boxed into the surge in Afghanistan, and now the bombing in Libya. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but the guy is officially out of his depth.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Normal…..you may want to spell her name correctly…..
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
WOW
I am calm. I just call things the way I see them.
TaxPayer
March 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
So, the cons think that Obama is bush lite. Which half of Bush does Obama resemble.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
**This is the worst president our country has seen since Carter.**
May don’t see it that way, it’s your opinion but I would never call you stupid because of it…
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
Bosch 2:10
You might wanna pay somebody to do it for you this year -
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
“Reading Comprehension=WOW’s kryptonite.”
Debbie doesn’t understand sarcasm. Debbie fails common sense 101.
MPercy
March 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
Thulsa “But it is inaccurate and misleading to characterize the previous decade as “a decade of spiraling deficits.”
Indeed. While it is true that under Clinton, and especially once he had the Republican Congress to deal with, the rate of increase of the national debt slowed down. Rather than look at budget deficits and getting into on-book and off-book, I looked directly at the Treasury’s report of the national debt.
Under Bush in 2003-2007 the debt increased by (real deficits of) $554B, $595B, $553B, $553B, $500B. So, while large and unquestionably vile, the deficits were fairly flat year-to-year. In Bush’s last year, the amount added to the debt was $1017B, which included TARP.
We can also find out that, contrary to poplar opinion, Mr. Clinton did not have surpluses. Indeed in his last fiscal year $17B was added to the debt. I applaud the smallness of the number, especially as it was trimmed from $431B in his first year, but it was still not a surplus.
Mr. Obama’s debt load increases are $1885B and $1651B, so far, and these number include TARP repayments as revenues.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
“That’s exactly what I thought about bush in 04, be prepared for your worst nightmare..”
Ok sure, Mick. You political insider, you. LOL
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
WOW
Kinda sickening how these guys like Mark Singer look so good after what, 30 years, isn’t it?
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:15 pm
WOW / Soco 2:12 – I just had a vision of that Xerox TV ad with the printing guy and the “fighting irish” dude. CALM DOWN.
OK, I GET IT.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
Wow, just a couple of days into Lybia and Jay is already providing Obama with excuses. Right out of the lib playbook.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
jm
And who boxed him into those things???? Was it not Americans? Some people just need to learn that we can not be all things to all people.
pointing out Liberal hypocrisy is not a “stupid assed” statement. Its just reality.
So, your statement has gone from being sarcasm to pointing out Liberal hypocracy? If we’re supposed to be the “future” of America, no wonder we’re nearly FUBAR…. Have at it with your pointing out hypocracy, if that’s what you call it. Just leave the men and women of the military out of it, and I don’t give a rat’s ass what you say.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
Paul, the best part is that the kid can play both roles at the same time. Hell, he doesn’t even need anybody here to carry on a conversation any more!
And I’m sure you’d agree that the vast majority of the bloggers here are getting sick of his silly games and personal insults.
He just endlessly makes up stupid ____ on the fly and then hopes nobody calls him on it. To wit, unbeknown to me and every other human being on the planet in the know, I am apparently a 911 inside conspiracy advocate now.
Looney as the day is long.
Regarding his inevitable meltdown and dismissal from this forum, do you remember this quote from Schwartzkopf? “I believe that forgiving them is God’s function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting.”
My unsolicited and thankless job is simply to arrange his departure for the blogging land of nod! (And making his little lapdog howl some more…)
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
Paul,
“Thank heavens you aren’t a politician.”
Sometimes I just laugh and laugh thinking about that. I think it’s a good thing for the general public that I am not a politician either. If I were ever elected to a leadership position in governance, God help us all!
@@
March 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
Kamchak:
Don’t care.
Again…never asked you to.
It’s the public forum thingy. I see a comment, I address it.
Since AmVet includes me among his fan-club, and you made a comment regarding, I was compelled to respond.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
Lybia = Obama’s War
John Daly
March 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
If we are going to intervene in Libya, why not Darfur, Rwanda, the Congo, Chechnya, Burundi or Bosnia? If it is about protecting the innocent, why not in those areas? Just because there aren’t other countries saying we should? So much for America being a world leader.
As for the argument that we are doing it because Gadhafi is bombing his own people, I didn’t hear that outcry when Hussein used chemical weapons on his own people.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
Paul @ 2:13,
You gotta a slot open for me?
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
I have a cousin who was an Atlanta cop for over 20 years and he once told me the quickest way a person could lose his respect was for that person to announce he was running for political office.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
wow
Seriously, be prepared and frustrated that his re-election most likely will happen. You are hard core repub but this house and repubs in general do not have the trust of the american people. The dems are not much better but the repubs in state gov’t have gone off the rails, there will be a backlash…
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
SoCo 2:16 – dude, as far as I’m concerned, when it comes to Foreign Policy (wars, etc), we’re all on the same team (politically), and the first answer is to always support our military (within the bounds of reason), and to avoid war at all costs. Nothing I have said is inconsistent with that.
Sarcasm notwithstanding.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
Mick…..with an approval rating of 43% and falling I am not sure your comments are very valid.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
Oh yeah, and to think Jay is now demonizing Newt. What’s up Jay? No longer using Cheney, Bush or Palin as the boogeyman?
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
Leg Lamp 2:18 – where’s Lybia?
4th Grader
March 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
Not sure why this board is dominated by a partisan debate (and a petty one at that).
The latest actions in Libya have received bipartisan support in Congress, and overwhelming international approval.
The budget deficit is largely due to a stagnant economy and two wars. Wars, after begun, cannot be easily stopped.
President Obama built a political career around social initiatives that require generous funding from the federal level. Obviously that makes him a target for criticism regarding spending and the federal deficit, and that’s fair. But it’s somewhat disingenuous to criticize him for all spending measures, especially when he has curtailed a significant amount of social proposals. Also, it’s not the best idea to parrot what you hear on Fox News lately, especially considering they have been dead wrong on most issues regarding protests in Arab nations. They were unanimously calling on Obama to come out in support of Mubabrak, and that’s just one example . . .
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
If nothing else, a host of recent events regarding the POTUS gives me greater appreciation of Hillary’s “it’s 3AM” commercials. This guy is so bad she’s already announced she’s bailing.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
george w
If he is so vulnerable, where are all the repub candidates? Why aren’t they chomping at the bit?
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
George W 2:20 / WOW – when you try to be everything to everyone, it turns out your nothin to anyone….
or. when you don’t know where your going, no one is going to follow you.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
AmVet
Knew a guy, Cobra pilot during ‘Nam. Was looking at his slides and asked if he ever had any qualms about it. He gave me an answer quite similar to that – seriously, too.
Some things, I think it best not to think too much about
Bosch
Heck, I’d vote for ya’, just for the entertainment value!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
“And I’m sure you’d agree that the vast majority of the bloggers here are getting sick of his silly games and personal insults.’
Pot meet kettle, Vet.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
“especially when he has curtailed a significant amount of social proposals.”
Say what?
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
Oops. Typing too fast. Thanks for the catch.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
Bosch 2:19
That’s one of those things where I follow the adage “there are people who will do that for you.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
“He just endlessly makes up stupid ____ on the fly and then hopes nobody calls him on it. To wit, unbeknown to me and every other human being on the planet in the know, I am apparently a 911 inside conspiracy advocate now.”
Let’s see, you constantly call Bush and Cheney names, call other people a racist, etc……
If the shoe fits……
DebbieDoRight
March 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
Debbie doesn’t understand sarcasm. Debbie fails common sense 101.
Debbie is surprised that you can spell sarcasm! Good for you! PS: Good 360 – turning it around and pretending you were being sarcastic and not just plain dumb! You rock!
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
From Factcheck.org.
Obama has not cut any social spending.
@@
March 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
My unsolicited and thankless job is simply to arrange his departure for the blogging land of nod!
Ooooohhhhh…I get it now. AmVet wants to be the self-elected president of jay’s blog.
Too funny!
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Paul,
“Heck, I’d vote for ya’, just for the entertainment value!”
Oh, there would certainly be lots of that.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Mick…..do you remember who teh leading Dem candidate was up until 6 months before the election? No need to have a big frenzy over a repub candidate yet.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
dude, as far as I’m concerned, when it comes to Foreign Policy (wars, etc), we’re all on the same team (politically),
I’m not buying that. Anytime you can justify making a statement about war being partisan, gimme a break… For you, and many others, anything and everything is distilled down to whether it’s left or right. Nothing else matters. When I see anything different from you, then I’ll believe your “we’re on the same team” statement.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
“And I’m sure you’d agree that the vast majority of the bloggers here are getting sick of his silly games and personal insults.’
Vet, I’ve had several people say that they are glad that I am here. The only folks who don’t like me are you and maybe 4 other left wingers. Do I care, nope not really.
Oh, and speaking of personal attacks, how many have you called racists, holocaust deniers, etc? Yeah Vet, you’re just an innocent bystander.
Dude, you reek of hypocrisy.
Bill
March 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
PeaDog: Obama has met his promises on Iraq. All combat troops are out; there’s about 40,000 U.S. troops there now. Also, I guess you missed the U.N. Resolution on Libya?
There’s no comparison between Iraq and Libya. I don’t recall a U.N. Authorization authorizing force in Iraq. I don’t recall widespread NATO agreement about Iraq. I don’t recall 3 equal partners on Iraq. I’ve yet to hear any misleading grounds for the Libya action. Yes, Sadam did kill folks, but the U.S. gave him aid for years afterward, although knowing he had killed his own folks. There were no military actions against the Iraqi People when we invaded Iraq. (Of course, Iraq invasion resulted in Iraqi deaths in excess of 100,000-perhaps many more, and 100,000’s of injuries.
Obama could single-handidly kill every terrorist in the world, and right-wingers would criticize him for disrespecting the military by not getting them involved. Don’t think the Libyan action is going to cost two trillion or so either!!!
There
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
@@
March 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
President, or “Czar”?
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
You know. But for Obama’s devout support of Unions, I’d swear he was a Republican. Low taxes, more wars, blah blah.
Hint: sarcasm.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
“Debbie is surprised that you can spell sarcasm! Good for you! PS: Good 360 – turning it around and pretending you were being sarcastic and not just plain dumb! You rock!’
And here we go with more of what AmVet calls “personal attacks.”
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
Mick…..with an approval rating of 43%
That must be Rassmussen you’re quoting. You have to add about 3-4% to compensate for the house effect in any Rassmussen poll.
Gallup has Obama about six points higher than The Gipper at this point in their respective first terms.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
SoCo 2:25 – believe what you want I guess.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
“Seriously, be prepared and frustrated that his re-election most likely will happen. You are hard core repub but this house and repubs in general do not have the trust of the american people. The dems are not much better but the repubs in state gov’t have gone off the rails, there will be a backlash…’
Mick, trust me dude, I would never ever ever take political advice from you.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
Mick,
Both presidents have money spent on the Iraq war and under Obama we have actually stepped up the Afgh war. As for the porkulus which was just short of a trillion the Obama deficit for FY 2011 is a projected 1.6 trillion. What does the porkulus have to do with that?- or with the high projected deficits by the Obama administration through 2020?
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
Stands…..Isnt amazing that he still gets so much blind support…..talk about the blind leading the blind!!!
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
Hi Doom! How ya’ been?
HDB
March 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
Why Libya ISN’T like Iraq…..
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/03/20/bergen.libya.us/index.html?hpt=Sbin#
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
“Anytime you can justify making a statement about war being partisan”
this statement makes no sense to me…..
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
No matter the poll, Obama’s ratings seem to be going up since he actually took a stand on Libya. I guess the American public likes a leader who takes action.
@@
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Leg Lamp:
A tyrant, actually. Always has been…always will be.
Our own little dick-tater.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
believe what you want I guess.
Actions speak louder than words, my brother. In my line of work, I learned long ago to pay more attention to actions instead of words. It’s much more difficult to deflect true feelings with actions as it is with words.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
George W.
“with an approval rating of 43% and falling I am not sure your comments are very valid”
Thanks for that! Reminded me of an article I’d been saving – from a contest for high school students to get across the message in under 100 words “that “describe how Ronald Reagan’s leadership qualities influence the applicant’s life.”
I think there’s hope for the upcoming generation.
“Chris Daemmrich, a 16-year-old junior at the Liberal Arts and Science Academy in Austin, went in kind of a different direction with his intended entry.
“Rarely in American political history has there appeared a man of such contradictions as Ronald Reagan. If I have learned anything from his legacy, it is this: It matters what people think you are, not what you are. If people perceive you as one thing, like an evangelical, God-fearing Christian, it doesn’t matter that you yourself rarely attend church. As long as you seem like someone who would, you can be assured that the Christian right will be on your side.
“Reagan’s mastery of popular perception shows me that to succeed in America, you must be likeable and relatable to the masses. You can achieve this through dress, humor, or actions, and the great part is that in the end, it doesn’t matter what you think, as long as the people who will be voting for you think they know what you think, and they like it.”
“Who says the kids aren’t learning critical thinking skills?”
Here’s the entire column:
http://tinyurl.com/49jruwj
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
AmVet, you’re dealing with someone who thinks Unicorns pooping Skittles is a threat to hack his computer and worse. He’ll threaten you to lawyer up……lol.
4th Grader
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Why are there so many conservatives up in arms on this site? Don’t you people realize how insignificant you are? The national GOP doesn’t even take GA voters seriously any more. The GA state legislature’s failure to address any of the state’s biggest problems, and determination to instead play to Political Theater of the Dumb is a strong sign that GA is continuing to be more isolated in its pursuit of a leadership role in the nation’s stupidest set of politicians. Birthers, religious zealots, racists, xenophobes, Islamiphobes: this is YOUR state – you earned it. Enjoy it. Enjoy your governor and your senator from woodstock and your jobless rate and lack of a plan to improve education. Enjoy all that comes from being politically shunned even by the right and laughed at by everyone else.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:32 pm
Leg…..interesting…so Dems support war…..but then call Bush a war monger…..interesting!
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:32 pm
SoCo 2:31 – feel free to tag along on my daily adventures if you feel compelled to witness my actions.
Hint: sarcasm.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:32 pm
Paul…..wow his parents must of used ALOT of drugs!
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
” If people perceive you as one thing, like an evangelical, God-fearing Christian, it doesn’t matter that you yourself rarely attend church.”
Was he refering to Reagan or Obama?
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Paul….that kid should have received a resounding F…..He didnt address anything about the related topic….
“that “describe how Ronald Reagan’s leadership qualities influence the applicant’s life.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
“AmVet, you’re dealing with someone who thinks Unicorns pooping Skittles is a threat to hack his computer and worse. He’ll threaten you to lawyer up……lol.’
Ah, it’s 2:30 which means daycare let out. Hey Keep, did you draw any nice pictures today in class?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
jm
Don’t have to tag along when it’s all on the innernets!!!
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
Leg…hahah great….Obama is the only president in history not to have picked his families church…..hmmm I wonder why?
No One
March 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
when you don’t know where your going, no one is going to follow you.
Where you goin’
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
Canadians and Danes are in on the bombing too. Well, you wonder if so many countries are fired up about this one, why we couldn’t finally take a pass and deal with our other bidness.
Whatever, asymmetrical info. The Pres gets a good bit more info than I get from the AP.
Can. We. Ever. Fix. The. Deficit? Please.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
“…mastery of popular perception shows me that to succeed in America, you must be likeable and relatable to the masses.”
Does he mean like when Clinton played the sax wearing sunglasses on Arsenio?
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
AmVet
March 8th, 2011
3:20 pm
“Mike, as our sage Paul notes, when your resort to unprovoked personal insults, you’ve already lost.”
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
Man, I am bored. Maybe we should send about 120 missles into a sovereign country that has not attacked us.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
AmVet
March 8th, 2011
3:39 pm
“jm, go f your sorry self. “
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
wow
Not giving you political advice, just opinion, something you have difficulty grasping…
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
No One 2:35 – “Where you goin’” entrepreneurial
HDB
March 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
The kid DID….he basically concluded: “Don’t fall for the okey-doke!”
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Paul
That’s a bit of insight I wouldn’t expect from a high schooler nowadays…..
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Harry Callahan
PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can scan back through earlier Vet comments to find more.
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Leg Lamp
“Was he refering to Reagan or Obama?”
Well, he didn’t say ‘mosque,’ did he?
George W
I think he did. He stated how what one thinks or what one does does not matter to a politician, as long as he sells a perception to the public that’s in line with what they want to see.
Also, his “If I have learned anything from his legacy, it is this: It matters what people think you are, not what you are” applies pretty well to our current president, doesn’t it?
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
HDB….doesnt address the topic.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
“Not giving you political advice, just opinion, something you have difficulty grasping…”
Oh, that’s a personal attack, Mick.
chuck
March 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
4th grader, I think most of us are on the fence concerning the actions in Libya. Personally, I think we should have sent the missles in when he met that released “dying-of-cancer” terrorist at the airport when the Brits released him. That would have avoided all of this.
I was on the fence at the beginning of the war in Iraq, also, but only because I think we should have finished Sadam Hussein the FIRST TIME. I have since come to the conclusion that the war in Iraq was necessary, however, I think it is INSANE to continue to spend money to REBUILD the freakin country when they pump billions of dollars worth of oil every year. If that war was about oil, we got screwed.
Afghanistan is shaping up to be a boondoggle as well. We are GREAT at winning the WARS, but our POLITICIANS are totally inept at winning the PEACE. All we really need in Afghanistan are some eyes on the ground to tell when a group of Taliban gets together so we can send in the predators. Let’s get our guys home from all three of these sand boxes and start fighting these battles by remote control.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
” If I have learned anything from his legacy, it is this: It matters what people think you are, not what you are. If people perceive you as one thing, like an evangelical, God-fearing Christian, it doesn’t matter that you yourself rarely attend church.”
Good point. Has anyone noticed that Obama (who claims to be a Christian) is the only president who never joined a church in D.C.?
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
I am glad we attacked Labia. They were a huge threat to the US of A!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:40 pm
George W
No, he usually just starts rattling off about race.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:40 pm
“In Libya, Obama playing the cards he’s been dealt ”
I wonder which cards Bush was playing with? Must’ve been a different deck. Someone else’s maybe. I wonder if the Casino is aware of this.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:41 pm
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
“Chris Daemmrich, a 16-year-old junior at the Liberal Arts and Science Academy in Austin, went in kind of a different direction with his intended entry.”
Oh yeah, like I expect a teenager who is indoctrinated at “the Liberal Arts and Science Academy in Austin” to explain the Reagan presidency.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:41 pm
I am glad we attacked Labia.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
2:41 pm
“All we really need in Afghanistan are some eyes on the ground to tell when a group of Taliban gets together so we can send in the predators. Let’s get our guys home from all three of these sand boxes and start fighting these battles by remote control.”
That’s all we ever needed after we broke up the Taliban soon after 9/11 — we took our eye off the ball and they regrouped — but all in all, I agree with that totally.
The Tax Man
March 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
Can. We. Ever. Fix. The. Deficit? Please.
I’m glad you asked.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
Would a REAL Christian, born in America, change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama? And if so, WHY?
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
2:43 pm
That Labian K-daffy is very dangerous man!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
2:43 pm
wow
No, just another opinion devoid of childish name calling. If you have such thin skin, and the cooking gets too hot, than get out of the kitchen…
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
I believe my unsought role as the guy who helps throw the trash out from time to time is vastly over-stated.
I’m just a blue collar kinda guy who doesn’t want @@’s fervent dream of a Tucker-like cesspool here to come to true!
Manup cons and discuss the issues, not me, Bosch, Kamchak, DebbieDoRight, Midori, getalife and on and on and on and on.
You can’t do it, not for a single day. But try anyway…
The Known Unknowns
March 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
I wonder which cards Bush was playing with? Must’ve been a different deck.
It was and did you know there was not a single Islamist terrorist in the whole deck.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
Bosch,
If I get any better I won’t be able to stand it!
Don't Forget
March 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
“I wonder which cards Bush was playing with? Must’ve been a different deck.”
The problem was it wasn’t a full deck! lol
4th Grader
March 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted the Iraq war so they could generate some business for their friends @ GD and Haliburton. Last I checked, their stocks were still doing pretty well. So, I guess the whole thing is still working out ok for them.
I’m glad you think the Iraq war was “necessary.” I’m sure the parents of the 80,000 children who have died so far appreciate your opinion.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
“No, just another opinion devoid of childish name calling. If you have such thin skin, and the cooking gets too hot, than get out of the kitchen…’
Irony: Someone who complained about name calling turns around and tells someone else to get out of the kitchen because he said something about name calling.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
Like Chaka Khan, er, uh, I mean Farrakhan said:
‘Be Careful, Brother. Who The Hell Do You Think You Are?’
HDB
March 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
The kid was on point…..he addressed the topic HIS way…pointing out the CONTRADICTION!! Had guts to address it that way; he gets an A from me!!
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
Top 10 places Hawaiian governor should look for Obama’s birth certificate
10. It might be under the unicorn feeder, not too far from the magic money printing press that Ben Bernanke uses.
9. The certificate may have been sacrificed to the volcano gods to ensure good luck. After two years of the Obama administration, it obviously didn’t work.
8. Check under Obama’s copy of the Koran signed by Ayatollah Khomeini. The one that reads: “To Barry. Good luck on the whole Manchurian thing. Kho-money.”
7. Perhaps it’s under a stack of promises to close Gitmo.
6. May be tucked in the pages of well-annotated Community Organizing for Dummies book.
5. Have you looked in George Soros’ command bunker? Check under those stacks of Chinese yuan and the deed to Obama’s soul.
4. May have accidentally passed it out as a syllabus during short stint as Harvard lecturer.
3. Pawned for crack in 90s.
2. Hillary Clinton may have it tucked in her jock strap.
1. Kenya
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
Kam
Me too!!!
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
Labia and man are mutually exclusive, except in times of intimacy.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
And just what issue did your 2:44 post address?
Paul
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Leg Lamp
It’s a public school. Part of the Austin school district. Magnet school, pretty competitive, emphasis in science, math and liberal arts.
Note: “Liberal arts” does not mean “Art for Libs”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
“I believe my unsought role as the guy who helps throw the trash out from time to time is vastly over-stated.”
AmVet is big in fantasyland.
“Manup cons and discuss the issues,”
LOL!!!!! Says the guy who spends 99.999999999% of his time trash talking Bush and 70% of the people on this blog.
CLASSIC!!!!!!!
Normal
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
I don’t know why you guys are worried ’bout the deficit. Your Lord and savior said it all…
Cheney to Treasury: “Deficits don’t matter”
Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill was told “deficits don’t matter” when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.
O’Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush’s economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from “the corporate crowd,” a key constituency.
O’Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. “You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: “We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due.” A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.
The vice president’s office had no immediate comment, but John Snow, who replaced O’Neill, insisted that deficits “do matter” to the administration.
…but they didn’t now, did they?
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
Maybe it got buried in a hole dug by one of those “shovel ready jobs”.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
“It was and did you know there was not a single Islamist terrorist in the whole deck.”
Cause Saddam wasn’t an Orthodox Sunni or anything.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Isnt amazing that he still gets so much blind support…
GW, I’m not surprised you consider it to be “blind,” but like any political coalition, there are a mix of well-informed folks and low-information types. If I were polled I’d say I supported Obama, but 26 months in, I have my share of beefs with his Administration and I’m sure that will continue to be the case until he’s left office.
I guess the American public likes a leader who takes action.
Leg Lamp, people (Americans, Asians, Australians, Africans…) like winners, period.
I don’t approve of this—I’d much rather Obama suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous Teatardery and leave it to France and Britain if they really want to secure that oil supply. I’d really dig it if Obama went on the TeeVee and said “We’ll fight to the last Frenchman! but seriously, folks…”
That said, anyone who’s read “The Audacity of Hope” isn’t real surprised by this, nor much of anything else this Administration has done. He’s a centrist Democrat, and he’s governing accordingly, for better or for worse.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:48 pm
Argh. forgot to italicize Leg Lamp’s quote @ 2.47, my bad.
HDB
March 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
“I wonder which cards Bush was playing with? Must’ve been a different deck.”
At least we all know that they were bought and paid for by the bin Ladens…..no wonder Bush didn’t catch OBL when he was in office!!
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
“Manup cons and discuss the issues,”
Good idea. Where do you stand on socialism, AmVet? Same question to Kamchak. I’m opposed to it, by the way.
This is the part where AmVet or Kamchak will “discuss the issues” by referring to Skittles-crapping-unicorns, or else call someone a “leghumper.”
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
“.no wonder Bush didn’t catch OBL when he was in office!!”
So where is he now, HDB? Still waiting on Obama’s promise to find him.
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
HDB…..biased grade eh?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
“This is the part where AmVet or Kamchak will “discuss the issues” by referring to Skittles-crapping-unicorns, or else call someone a “leghumper.”
DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Normal
March 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
But the French have already surrendered…
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:48 pm
That’s okay. Italics use was for bonus points. You still made an A.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
Harry, I’ve asked nicely.
I think an answer is in order.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
I think we outta stay out of Labia.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
“Chester the Priest
March 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Harry Callahan:
“I am glad you are so concerned with everyone’s religion. It is sooo important, and it really adds to the conversation.”
I was responding to the post from the high school kid who accused Reagan of pretending to be a Christian, which is pretty funny in light of the Barack Obama “everything I know about Christianity I learned from Jeremiah Wright the racist hatemonger” situation.
Nice try though.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
Where do you stand on socialism, AmVet? Same question to Kamchak.
I have repeatedly given you my stance on socialism.
Multiple times
On multiple sites
On multiple threads.
Even multiple times on the same thread.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Government funding for NPR is not an asset to them, it is a liability. Everyone is better off ending NPR funding.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
So in other words, you often cut and paste the same comments over and over.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
Attacking a crazy ruler of Labia can be very hazardous!
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
Since I pre-empted AmVet and/or Kamchak from responding via my post @2:49, one of them name-jacked me @ 2:50 and posted something hateful about special-needs children, which is really humorous in light of the supposed “tolerance and inclusion” preached by the libs.
HDB
March 21st, 2011
2:55 pm
George W
March 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Nope….kid took a risk to note the contradiction; gotta give him credit for the approach! Sometimes, you can’t follow the predictable paradigm!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Hey, your boy Bush said he’d find him FIRST..but we all know he got paid off (note: the Carlyle Group…and how the bin Ladens left the US under PRESIDENTIAL EDICT!)………
When you screw up the trail, even the best bloodhounds come up empty!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:56 pm
Harry Callahan
I was wondering if that was you that wrote that weird comment about special ed kids.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:56 pm
More innerestin than Libya
(Reuters) – Japan’s nuclear crisis will influence where the United States builds its nuclear power plants, and the operation of a facility near New York City will be reviewed in the wake of the disaster, U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu said on Sunday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/20/us-nuclear-usa-idUSTRE72J2L820110320
The Known Unknowns
March 21st, 2011
2:56 pm
Cause Saddam wasn’t an Orthodox Sunni or anything.
Cause there were no radical Islamist terrorists in the deck of 52 or anything.
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
And hells yes
(Reuters) – The Supreme Court let stand a ruling that the U.S. Federal Reserve must disclose details about its emergency lending programs to banks during the financial crisis in 2008.
A group representing major commercial banks had asked the high court to reverse a ruling by a federal appeals court that required disclosure of the lending records.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-usa-fed-bailout-court-idUSTRE72K3FJ20110321
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
Government funding for NPR is not an asset to them, it is a liability. Everyone is better off ending NPR funding.
jm, I think you actually know better, but if not—NPR’s funding isn’t really what’s at stake.
The GOP wants to eliminate funding for the CPB altogether. As I have patiently explained, you do that, and you screw a lot of red-state TV viewers and radio listeners who’ll likely have their sole source of non-stupid broadcast programming taken from them, since the far-flung, sparsely populated PBS and NPR affiliates are the ones that will suffer the most if you were to defund the CPB.
And I hasten to add, what people think of as “NPR” radio programming doesn’t come solely, or necessarily MOSTLY, from the actual NPR.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
“Hey, your boy Bush”
Ah yes, HDB. The guy who says that all white conservatives are racists.
“but we all know he got paid off’
Uh huh.
“When you screw up the trail, even the best bloodhounds come up empty!!”
Did Jesse Jackson teach you that phrase?
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
“Cause there were no radical Islamist terrorists in the deck of 52 or anything.”
Cause Saddam was not a terrorist. Neither is Kim Jong Il.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
I don’t name-jack harry-poo, and I condemn the practice.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
2:59 pm
As a conspiricay theorist…I think there is some relationship between Bush and Labia.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:59 pm
Barack Obama “everything I know about Christianity I learned from Jeremiah Wright the racist hatemonger” situation.
again with the personal attacks on another man’s morality (complete with a made-up quote! nice!), but you can’t give me a straight answer to my polite question regarding your own. Why is that, Harry?
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:00 pm
sfd – I understand (most) of the math mechanics with respect to NPR. I think CPB should split radio and TV (I think there’s something to be said for gov’t funding of the TV specials, but if even the TV stuff went away, it would be net-net better).
NPR is very much about news. Politically, journalistically, ethically, and financially (in the long run) they would be better off without government funding.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:00 pm
“again with the personal attacks on another man’s morality”
If the shoe fits…….
Well, that’s what the libs wrote/said for 8 years.
Jay
March 21st, 2011
3:00 pm
The person who namejacked Harry does not post regularly here.
And if that person repeats the mistake, he won’t be posting here at all.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
“stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
“Harry, I’ve asked nicely.”
“I think an answer is in order.”
Stands, two points;
1) I didn’t see your original post, becasue unlike the usual lib suspects on this blog, I have a job and a life and don’t stay on here 24/7
2) I think you are laboring under the mis-apprehension that I answer to you
Now, having made those two points, I will be happy to respond to your childish question;
Having children out-of-wedlock, as Barack’s mom and her sperm-donor partner did, is indeed trashy, and as I said, trashy people do trashy things. Many people have out-of-wedlock sex, but most have the good sense to use contraception. The remainder have kids out of wedlock, doom themselves and their kids to a life of poverty and government dependancy, and generally grow up to vote Democrat.
I’m guessing you are either an unmarried parent, or the child of unmarried parents, hence your poutrage, but that’s really your problem, not mine.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
Lamp, let’s put it this way.
I’ll wager you any amount of money you’d like, that wow, harry, @@ and george w CANNOT avoid referencing me in a post for even one week.
Hell, we both know I’d win if the bet were for one day. And more often than not, one hour.
Can’t be done. They are hopelessly obsessed and tormented by my every post and every worthless opinion. Why? Ask them and let me know, OK?
I’d triple the wager that I’ll first reference one of them in a post during that week.
It is roughly 3PM on Monday, March 21, 2011.
Shooting fish in a barrel.
Let me know, if you want in on any of the action…
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
Why caint you libruls just admit that NPR leans left? Heck, even the most staunch conservatives will admit that Fox leans right.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
sfd 2:57 – and I hasten to add, I find it hard to believe your dearest concern are the few sparsely populated red state NPR listeners.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it any more. What the hell is wrong with all you people- cons and libs alike? Does anyone other than me and Obama know how to correctly spell Lybia? Did none of you get Obama’s tweet? Its Lybia dadnabit. Not Labia and dang sure not Libya.
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
3:02 pm
And if that person repeats the mistake, he won’t be posting here at all.
Good!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:03 pm
“I’ll wager you any amount of money you’d like, that wow, harry, @@ and george w CANNOT avoid referencing me in a post for even one week.”
LOL!!!!! What are you gonna wager, Vet? Pretend blog money?
“They are hopelessly obsessed and tormented by my every post and every worthless opinion.”
Do you realize how crazy you sound, Vet? You continue to write about me etc and THEN turn around and write about how I am obsessed with you. CLASSIC
“I’d triple the wager that I’ll first reference one of them in a post during that week.”
More fake blog money.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
from an email
Sixty-four senators sent a letter to President Obama March 18 asking him to lend his support to a broad deficit reduction effort.
The letter, signed by 32 Democrats and 32 Republicans, alludes to a coalition of senators that is drafting legislation based on the recommendations of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, saying that the effort represents “an important foundation to achieve meaningful progress on our debt.”
In the letter, the senators ask Obama to take part in deficit reduction discussions that address tax reform as well as discretionary spending and entitlements.
“By approaching these negotiations comprehensively, with a strong signal of support from you, we believe that we can achieve consensus on these important fiscal issues,” the letter says. “This would send a powerful message to Americans that Washington can work together to tackle this critical issue.”
Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., who along with Sen. Michael F. Bennet, D-Colo., drafted the letter, said on a conference call that he did not expect the letter to garner so much support and that he had accumulated most of the signatures in a time period of less than 24 hours. Both senators said they would like to move legislation this year.
Obama has been criticized for not taking a public stance on the fiscal commission’s report, issued last year, and for not taking the lead in an effort to reform the tax code and entitlements. The letter could provide an impetus for him to do so, as it indicates strong bipartisan support for a broad-based deficit reduction plan in the Senate. Several Finance committee members signed the letter but not committee Chair Max Baucus, D-Mont., or ranking minority member Orrin G. Hatch, R-Utah.
The president and congressional leaders have said repeatedly over the last few months that they are interested in tackling comprehensive tax reform, but no specific proposal has been put forth. House Ways and Means Committee Chair Dave Camp, R-Mich., March 17 announced a general target he would like to achieve with tax reform — namely a 25 percent top rate for corporations and individuals — but did not specify how he wanted to achieve it. (For prior coverage, see Doc 2011-5652 or 2011 TNT 53-1 2011 TNT 53-1: News Stories.)
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said at a February 16 Senate Finance Committee hearing that tax reform would depend on Congress and the executive branch working together and also “requires usually somebody in my job to lay out a set of proposals in this context.” (For prior coverage, see Doc 2011-3366 or 2011 TNT 33-3 2011 TNT 33-3: News Stories.)
The president’s fiscal commission in December released a deficit reduction plan that recommended eliminating most or all tax expenditures and proposed entitlement reforms and discretionary spending cuts, which would reduce deficits $3.9 trillion by 2020. The proposal aims for a top individual income tax rate of 23 percent and a corporate rate of 26 percent. That plan, however, failed to gain the votes necessary to be brought before Congress. (For the proposal, see Doc 2010-25486 or 2010 TNT 231-35 2010 TNT 231-35: White House News.)
Johanns acknowledged that the letter did not express support for the fiscal commission’s entire proposal. “Nobody is saying we have 60 votes to endorse a plan.” Instead, he said, “It was an attempt to find as many senators as we could who were saying, ‘Look, we’re ready to go to work.’”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has said Senate Republicans will not vote to raise the federal debt ceiling without a “credible effort to begin to get a handle on spending and debt.” A vote to raise the debt ceiling is expected to be needed within the next couple of months.
CBO Estimates
The letter came the same day that the Congressional Budget Office released its estimates of the budgetary effects of Obama’s 2012 budget proposal.
The CBO estimated that the budget would add about $2.7 trillion in deficits from 2012 to 2021 compared with a current-law baseline. The budgetary impact was largely a result of the tax proposals in the budget, the CBO said. (For the CBO estimates, see Doc 2011-5834 2011 TNT 54-58: Congressional Budget Office Reports.)
The agency said it adjusted its budgetary baseline to perform the analysis. The fiscal 2011 deficit projection was reduced $81 billion from previous estimates to $1.4 trillion, while the cumulative deficit from 2012 to 2021 was revised downward $234 billion, to $6.7 trillion.
The Joint Committee on Taxation released its estimates of the revenue provisions in the president’s budget the previous day. According to the JCT, the budget proposal would add a net $2.75 trillion in deficits from 2011 to 2021. (For the JCT estimates, see Doc 2011-5733 or 2011 TNT 53-17 2011 TNT 53-17: Congressional Joint Committee Prints.)
Extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for middle-income earners would cost $2.32 trillion over 10 years, according to the JCT; indexing the alternative minimum tax to inflation according to 2011 criteria would cost $683 billion; and permanently extending tax cuts in the 2009 stimulus package along with other tax benefits for families and individuals would cost $222 billion.
The numbers differed from estimates provided by the Office of Management and Budget when Obama’s proposal was released February 14. Most notably, the OMB estimated that indexing the AMT to inflation would cost $1.55 trillion, about $867 billion more than the cost projected by the JCT.
Senate Budget Committee ranking minority member Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said the CBO estimates showed that the administration’s budgetary projections included in its proposal relied on “rosy scenarios” of economic growth, and he accused the administration of “concealing $2.3 trillion in deficits.”
The Known Unknowns
March 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
Cause Saddam was not a terrorist. Neither is Kim Jong Il.
Yet Bush invaded Iraq anyway. No terrorists, no WMD, no Gog, no Magog…
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
Many people have out-of-wedlock sex, but most have the good sense to use contraception
Any instance of sexual intercourse between a fertile man and a fertile woman has the potential to end in pregnancy.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
All you’ve cleared up for me is that you are, as expected, a flaming hypocrite of the highest order.
John Daly
March 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
Jay @8:46 – so far the exalted leader hasn’t seen fit to tell us why he is participting in the assault and military leaders say that it could end in either a protracted fight or wiht Gadhafi still in power. So, he hasn’t lied, he just hasn’t explained why.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
“Yet Bush invaded Iraq anyway. No terrorists, no WMD”
So tell Obama to get us out. Oh wait, not gonna happen.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:07 pm
At last! Filming begins on The Hobbit!
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:07 pm
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
Where do you stand on socialism, AmVet? Same question to Kamchak.
“I have repeatedly given you my stance on socialism.
Multiple times
On multiple sites
On multiple threads.
Even multiple times on the same thread.”
Well I guess that’s a matter of opinion, Kammy-poo. Pretending socialism doesn’t exist, mocking anyone who asserts that it does exist, and thereby avoiding coming out either in favor or opposed, is hardly “giving your stance.”
But understand your reticence, given that you don’t have the nerve nor the intellectual capacity to clearly state your case.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
3:09 pm
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
This is Amurica, we kan spel Libia anyway we wont too specially sence we aint got much larning anymore,thanks to all dem cuts and all…so stick it in yore ear, ya hear?
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Obama can’t even claim to be “present” in the oval office at the moment….
Trip to South America: good idea. WH PR management with respect to Libya and S.A. trip: “F”.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
“stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
2:59 pm
“again with the personal attacks on another man’s morality (complete with a made-up quote! nice!), but you can’t give me a straight answer to my polite question regarding your own. Why is that, Harry?”
Guess you didn’t see my 3:01 there, big guy.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:11 pm
“Can’t be done. They are hopelessly obsessed and tormented by my every post and every worthless opinion. Why? Ask them and let me know, OK?”
Hmmm. I’ve periodically read this guy’s posts. He just aint smart enough or witty enough to “torment” anyone. He fancies himself as some sort of blog walt wittman but just because he thinks it so doesn’t make it so. His meaningless drivel is as out of place on a blog as a mistress is at a wedding.
But let the whimsical one blog on I say! Maybe he can be the 3rd of the triumvirate of the galactically stupid and join kamchak, keep up, and granny. But then it would no longer be a triumvirate. Hmmm. This poses a dilemna. I got tweedledee- kam, tweedledumb- keep up, and granny gobbledeegook. May have to let one of them go.
The Known Unknowns
March 21st, 2011
3:11 pm
So tell Obama to get us out. Oh wait, not gonna happen.
No terrorists, No WMD. Perhaps he’s trying to clear Bush’s name by continuing the search for Gog and Magog.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:11 pm
I find it hard to believe your dearest concern are the few sparsely populated red state NPR listeners.
You can believe what you like, but
a) there are more than just a few of them, and
b) I come from that part of the world and I think it would suck mightily if the only “news” to be tuned in for those who can’t afford sat radio, or who aren’t necessarily savvy enough to podcast their driving accompaniment, were stuck with nothing but dumb-as-a-bag-of-doorknobs AM talk and literally NOTHING of local interest whatsoever.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
“No terrorists, No WMD. Perhaps he’s trying to clear Bush’s name by continuing the search for Gog and Magog.”
Known Translator 2000: He can’t even put up a reasonable rebuttal.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
sfd 3:11 – NPR is not going away even if they lose 10% of their funding. Also, this thing called the internet now broadcasts NPR
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
Guess you didn’t see my 3:01 there, big guy.
um, I’m pretty sure only Jay can see what other people type before they post it.
(Or some nutball once claimed.)
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
Well, George lied like hell, but still couldn’t get hardly anybody to join his “coalition”.
And in his first attempt at playing soldier, BHO has gotten sorties flown by France, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Canada, Belgium and Britain in the very first days of the campaign.
Too funny. But that’s what happen when our allies respect our president…
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
How did you put it harry-poo?
Oh yeah — 2) I think you are laboring under the mis-apprehension that I answer to you
Come to think of it — that’s a line that I generally use (appropriated from a little known MP skit ).
How about an apology from that unfounded allegation that I name-jacked you?
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
“All you’ve cleared up for me is that you are, as expected, a flaming hypocrite of the highest order.”
No, if I had children of my own out-of-wedlock I’d be a hypocrite of the highest order, but;
1) I don’t, therefore
2) I’m not
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
sfd 3:11 – NPR is not going away even if they lose 10% of their funding.
again, it’s the broadcast affiliates who are, likely, going to go away if the CPB were done away with. Not that I think it will, mind you (Newt made similar noises in 1995, to no avail), although I wouldn’t bet the house on it.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
Normal,
The community organizer spells it Lybia. If he says it’s so then it must be so! Either that or he’s the second coming of Dan Quayle.
oldguy
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
Shock….Shock
Obama good…….Republicans bad
Obama smart…….Conservatives dumb
Obama correct……Teaparty wrong
The gospel according to Saint Jay
Is anyone surprised??????
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
World Near Tipping Point?
* Much of the potency of policy responses has been used up in the successful efforts since 2008 to avoid global depression.
* The longer the persistence of supply disruptions, the greater the risk of core inflation increasing.
* Questions about the end of quantitative easing in the U.S. pose a challenge for policymakers.
http://www.pimco.com/Pages/worldneartippingpoint.aspx
Yes indeedy it is.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 21st, 2011
3:15 pm
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:07 pm
At last! Filming begins on The Hobbit!
___________________________________
Congrats wow…glad you will finally be back at work, guarding that bridge.
Contest time: Insert your best troll comment to the 3:07 post.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:15 pm
Austrians speak Austrian- the community organizer speaks on lingustics, language, and history.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
sfd 3:14 – yes, it is POSSIBLE that very unprofitable affiliates in very small local markets go away. Equally likely is that NPR elects to subsidize those with fee increases from larger markets. Either way, it isn’t the end of the world. NPR lovers in those markets can listen to NPR even with dial up internet service.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
The discussion has defintely deteriorated from earlier. I will give you some examples:
sfd “You are mean”
jm “No, you are mean”
Harry C “You are stupid”
AmVet “No, you are stupid, stupid”
This whole Labia situation makes men act like boys!
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
No, if I had children of my own out-of-wedlock I’d be a hypocrite of the highest order,
uh no, Harry, and don’t pretend you missed my point.
If you’ve ever engaged in pre- (or extra-, for that matter) marital sex, you’ve done what Obama’s parents did. They DID marry, remember? Barack wasn’t born out of wedlock.
I suspect what you really consider to have been “trashy” about that particular relationship of his parents, is something you don’t have the balls to post here. That’s ok.
HDB
March 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
WOW
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
“Hey, your boy Bush”
“Ah yes, HDB. The guy who says that all white conservatives are racists.”
As you said….if the shoe fits…..
As I said….that’s your style!!
“but we all know he got paid off’
“Uh huh.” Check the relationship between the Bushes and the bin Ladens; start with Arbusto…and go forward to the Carlyle Group……
“When you screw up the trail, even the best bloodhounds come up empty!!”
Did Jesse Jackson teach you that phrase?” Nope….that’s an original!!
jm
March 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
I’m with you on this one!!!
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
AmVet……Really…..dude you tell WAY too many lies…..
What about Canada, UK, Great Britian, Australia, Romania….there were over 23 countries in “Bush’s coalition”
LIAR!
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
This whole Labia situation makes men act like boys!
T’was ever thus.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
How are those imaginary bills in the imaginary senate coming along? Pooped on any unicorns lately?
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:18 pm
Kammypoo,
I often use quotes that you and AmVet have used, you know, the ones you think are so clever, as a means of mocking you.
Don’t hold your breath on that apology.
Can I interpret your post @ 3:14 to mean that you are dodging the socialism question (again)?
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
3:18 pm
There are many countries in the world who call themselves Democratic, yet no two have exactly the same type of government. There are also many different types of Socialism, although I would imagine most of you here have no real idea of what even basic Socialism is. What is clear is that more and more Americans are getting fed up with both the Democrats and Republicans. If this continues, look for a strong third and possibly forth party to arise. I guessing they will probably be Libitarian and Socialist.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
“I suspect what you really consider to have been “trashy” about that particular relationship of his parents, is something you don’t have the balls to post here. That’s ok.”
Hey look everybody, a liberal played the race card. Anybody surprised by that?
Disgusted
March 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
Lawd a Mercy! My subdivision has been invaded by Alabamians! And they’re right across the street from my house. I knew the end was near when the moving truck arrived. The first thing to be installed was a huge Crimson Tide flag on the front porch. Next came two cars plastered with Alabama Crimson Tide stickers. Can a mail box featuring a portrait of a large elephant be far behind? There goes my property value. Other people have all the luck—a motorcycle gang moves in, or perhaps a lawn service company. But I must become a neighbor to rabid Alabama fans.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
“But understand your reticence, given that you don’t have the nerve nor the intellectual capacity to clearly state your case.”- Harry Callahan to Kammy poo.
Ouch!!! Just another eloquent beatdown given by a conservative to a liberal. Does this ever get old? No. Not really.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
Carlos….so you are saying you woud support a Socialist candidate?
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
Doom,
Glad to hear it!
mike
March 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
Intersting how no matter what the President does, there are those patriotic folks and christians who find fault and disrepect no matter what the situation. I suppose as long as Mr Obama looks like he does, then there will always be those in this country who have a basic problem with the way he looks. The problem is these folks don’t realize it but this country as well as the world is slowly turning in a population of people who look similar to the President. One real scary thought people.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
NPR lovers in those markets can listen to NPR even with dial up internet service.
not in their cars, they can’t, not in real time. But of course on a certain level, we’re arguing about a service that will become of diminishing importance over the next decade, as fewer people tune in to broadcast radio at all, so I get your bigger point.
(I was relying on podcasts to get through a longish commute a few years back, when I still had dial-up, so yeah, I know it can be done.)
Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
Can I interpret your post @ 3:14 to mean that you are dodging the socialism question (again)?
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I actually give a fat rat’s ass on how/what you interpret.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
“I suspect what you really consider to have been “trashy” about that particular relationship of his parents, is something you don’t have the balls to post here. That’s ok.”
I suspect you really want to call me a racist, but don’t have the balls to post it here. That’s OK.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
As the Labia/Bush discussion continues to deteriorate….
I can now add.
“Liar”
“Racist”
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
I just saw a clip of people protesting the Obama adminstration’s war on Libya. They were carrying signs calling Obama “Hitler”, “Mussolini”, “Mubarek”, and fascist. Oops, my bad. It was a replay of the Wisconsin union workers who were protesting “for the children”. Never mind……..
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
“As you said….if the shoe fits…..
As I said….that’s your style!!”
Yaaaaaaaaaaawn. Do you ever talk about anything other than race?
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
Hey look everybody, a liberal played the race card.
hey look everybody, a conservative gripes that someone mentioned race.
film at eleven, und so weiter…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 21st, 2011
3:23 pm
Great news…
Microsoft Word Now Includes Squiggly Blue Line To Alert Writer When Word Is Too Advanced For NeoCon Audience
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:23 pm
mike
March 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
“The problem is these folks don’t realize it but this country as well as the world is slowly turning in a population of people who look similar to the President. One real scary thought people.”
So you’re saying mixed people are scary? Talk about a scary thought…….
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:23 pm
I suspect you really want to call me a racist, but don’t have the balls to post it here. That’s OK.
If I think you’re a racist, I’ll be more than happy to identify you as such. Just ask our buddy “Bud Weiser.”
I never claimed to know; that’s why that qualifier “I suspect” was in there.
Remember: reading is fun-duh-mental, Harry.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
“Kamchak
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
“You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I actually give a fat rat’s ass on how/what you interpret.”
Looks like Harry was right…not only does Kamchak lack the balls to state his stance on socialism, the mere suggestion of it has him foaming at the mouth.
By the way, be careful with that foul language. The self-appointed blog police (aka AmVet) will be emailing Jay in hopes of having you banned.
oldguy
March 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
Hey Amvet
What have you been smoking??!??
our allies respect the O..man!!!
Too funny!!!
The US is a “me too” in this event. The only reason we are there is because we have the Missles to take out the air defense sites. This is all about Europe needing Lybian oil! (all about oil….where have I heard that before???)
BTW if Iraq was all about oil why is their production all going everywhere else but here???
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
oh jeez. surely we’re not going to drift into racism. Given the US is now in 3 wars, and has a $1.8 Trillion deficit….
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
“The first thing to be installed was a huge Crimson Tide flag on the front porch. Next came two cars plastered with Alabama Crimson Tide stickers.”
There is a simple Bama repellent that you can yell out to them.
Just go outside and yell WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!! Then, put up a sign that says 28-27 and that should drive them out of your neighborhood.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
“I never claimed to know; that’s why that qualifier “I suspect” was in there.”
Using weasel-words now, are we? How bold.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
Since people can’t get along, maybe we should nuke the planet and start over.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
“Microsoft Word Now Includes Squiggly Blue Line To Alert Writer When Word Is Too Advanced For NeoCon Audience’
Does it help with poor sentence structure, Keep? You could use some help in that area.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
jm, You should start with them middle eastern aaaaaaaa rab types!
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
“…racism…”
Hey, there are those who hate to let a good excuse go to waste.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
“oh jeez. surely we’re not going to drift into racism.”
That’s generally where we go when the libbies run out of talking points.
@@
March 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
My bad!
I’m just a blue collar kinda guy who doesn’t want @@’s fervent dream of aTucker-like cesspool here to come to true!
AmVet aspires to be a part-time president…full-time plumber.
Not very good at either, I might add.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
“That’s generally where we go when the libbies run out of talking points.”
Yep.
Crimson tider
March 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
Disgusted,
Yeah. I’ve never seen a trailer owned by a dawg fan, nor a dawg flag posted on the front porch. Never seen cars plastered with Georgia decals and or stickers either. Face it disgusted. Alabama just has a bigger, badder, meaner football program than Georgia. And a badder, meaner football coach in Nick Saban. That man doesn’t field football teams. He fields football war machines.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
“I never claimed to know; that’s why that qualifier “I suspect” was in there.”
So if I said that I suspect you’re an idiot, the qualifier “suspect” would make it OK?
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:29 pm
If the old saying is true and demography is destiny, the developed world faces a tsunami of pensioners over the next thirty years. How can our economy cope with these retirees drawing down on health care and other services, and who will pay for it? Do you see a national sales tax in the future to pay for this?
These are critical issues that are finally attracting more attention in policy circles. It is critical that the resulting deliberations lead to meaningful and timely actions to pre-empt big problems down the road.
Should such actions not be forthcoming, we suspect that the answer to your questions will be yes, yes, and yes.
Yes, demographic factors are important and, indeed for some countries, will become crucial in the years ahead and will overwhelm more conventional economic and financial factors. This is particularly true for rapidly aging societies that have made large entitlement promises (pensions, health care, etc.) that they will find difficult to deliver on.
Yes, there is a question as to who will pay and through which mechanisms. Depending on the country, we will see a mix of higher inflation, increased taxation, and disappointments on long-standing entitlement promises.
And yes, we think that a national sales tax in the US will likely be an option that will attract lots of deliberations and, potentially, application.
http://www.pimco.com/Pages/worldneartippingpoint.aspx
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:29 pm
@@
For someone who claims that we are obsessed with him, he sure does talk a lot about you and I.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
“Alabama just has a bigger, badder, meaner football program than Georgia.”
Tider, would you please head over to your local WalMart and buy up all that Bama crap from 2009? I hear it’s on sale for 28-27% off.
War Eagle!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
“And a badder, meaner football coach in Nick Saban. ”
Bama went 10-3, tider. Auburn went 14-0.
FOURTEEN AND O, TIDER!!!!!!!!
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
Using weasel-words now, are we?
Says the guy who can’t quite own up to doing what he deemed as “trashy” when done by others.
Say a few “Hail Cheneys” and maybe you’ll be forgiven for your mendacity.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
Disgusted
Sounds like your property value just increased.
ROLL TIDE!!!!!!
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
Doom,
So, what IS Dan Quayle up to these days I wonder — you never hear about him.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
stand….once you get off your knees from worshipping your Lord Obama….we may say your Hail Cheneys!
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
Dem Congressman: ‘We’re In Libya Because Of Oil’…
At least they’re consistent. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, WWI….it’s all about oil.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
Stand….I do have a question….when you are worshipping Obama are you sure to face Mecca?
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
bosch
Son of quayle is a congressman from arizona…enough said..
HDB
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
That’s generally where we go when the conservatives run out of talking points. attempt to instigate….and refuse to admit the truth.”
Fixed it for you…….
Just going where you take me……..
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
This is pretty funny. A crimson tider war eagle dispute on the political blog. Both have darn great football programs. Bammer vs AU could be nastier than any con-lib debate.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
Southern Comfort
WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!!!!!!
RGB
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
“But that’s what happen when our allies respect our president…”
Now THAT’S funny. I don’t care who you are.
As another expressed it: “He [Obama] has harmed the partnerships of Israel and Great Briton, sided with Honduran communists in a failed attempt at a hostile takeover of that country’s governance, did nothing for 8 days at the beginning of the Gulf oil crisis, did nothing about Gaddafi after calling for his removal from Libyan leadership, stood by while the freedom fighters in Iran suffered and died for their cause, allowed Iran the first serious steps to becoming a nuclear power…”
Obama ignored his Defense Secretary, Top Terror Adviser Brennan, and another top adviser who advised against action in Libya. He then consulted Hillary and Joke Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice. He was persuaded by their vast military experience and pushed the “go” button.
Yes, our European allies love it when we have an inept and weak president and Obama is their kind of guy.
moonbat betty
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
The euroweenies across the pond need to start taking responsibility for their own yards.
They are like the lovely neighbors who let the trash pile up on the front porch, never cut the grass, let their 20 dogs run wild, and then get all nasty when the HOA (US) have to come in and cite them for covenant infractions and euthanize their pit bulls for mauling the neighborhood kids.
Way overdue- The weenies need to step up, not us.
Is this U.S./European relations or Alabama/Auburn policy?
Hard to tell sometimes.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
Leg….and to think all we have to do is drill here at home all of these wars could be avoided……(eyes rolling).
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
“A crimson tider war eagle dispute on the political blog. Both have darn great football programs. Bammer vs AU could be nastier than any con-lib debate.”
We own Bama. WAR EAGLE!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
The only people who seem to be worshipping obama these days are the haters….makes them feel better to have an all inclusive scapegoat..
@@
March 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
WOW:
I have no idea what AmVet’s problem has been all these years. If it’s not you, it’s somebody else. No room for anyone but AmVet ’round these parts.
He MUST BE HU-U-U-UUGE in the eyes of all who see!!!
schnirt
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
Mick,
“son of Quayle” sounds like a Native American name — considering where he lives, it could work!!
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
Boehner Says Obama Must Explain Libya Mission.
Obama Says Boehner Must Explain his Orange Glow.
Old timer, based on results, yep. He’s already got more of our allies and their foreign forces involved in a big time way, and who are putting *their* pilot’s asses on the line – as in flying bombing runs into enemy airspace – that the Hero of the Texas ANG did in 8 years.
It appears in this video that President Bush’s approval is in a sorrier state than polls indicate. In a video taken at the G20 summit, Bush walks across a line of world leaders without shaking or being asked to shake any of their hands. Whether the President is being rejected by the world leaders or he is rejecting them, CNN’s Rick Sanchez aptly says that Bush looks like “the most unpopular kid in high school that nobody liked.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMOGK4-tAw8
HA! Don’t shoot the messenger.
Angry White Man
March 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
Mick, sounds a lot like libs and Bush!
Laser Guided Sceptic
March 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
“As Obama himself noted in his Nobel Peace Prize speech,…”
Am I the only person who finds it ironic that the Nobel Peace Prize recipient has us involved in two wars and is now using our military to attack yet another sovereign nation? One wonders whether the Nobel selection committee is having second thoughts.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:37 pm
Mick @ 3:35 — for real dude.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
“I have no idea what AmVet’s problem has been all these years. If it’s not you, it’s somebody else. No room for anyone but AmVet ’round these parts.’
Who knows, @@. I just love how he posts absolute nonsense and then turns around and finger points.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
AmVet….come on man….you never replied to our posts…….Come on man defend your comment that Bush had no coalition countries in Iraq…..
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
“Says the guy who can’t quite own up to doing what he deemed as “trashy” when done by others.”
I stated quite clearly that I have no children out of wedlock. Not sure what part of that you can’t grasp.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
Bosch,
I suspect Dan Quayle and the word potato had their 15 minutes of fame- or foolishness- and left the stage.
Funny but he made 2 or 3 gaffes and was humiliated forever. I’ve seen Obama make 3 funny ones and yet the media still thinks he’s smart.
Biden has said so many funny things I can’t even count em.
And then there is Pelosi- “First we have to pass the stimulus bill so that you can find out what’s in it”.
Oh, and don’t forget Harry Reid on Obama- “He doesn’t speak with that Negro dialect”.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
Harry……people on the left do not understand morals and conservatism….You know like getting married first, then having kids that you can support and not depend on welfare.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
once you get off your knees from worshipping your Lord Obama…
oy.
How many times have I pointed out that he was the most conservative of the three Democratic contenders going into Super Tuesday? How many times have I posted a link to Tom Tomorrow’s sarcastic “MiddleMan” cartoons? How many times have I talked about the Freedom Bombs we’re using to kill unarmed men, women, and children?
Obama is a corporate-friendly Democrat, somewhat better at campaigning than most, and he’ll probably be re-elected. I considered him an improvement over the 2008 general-election competition and that’ll surely be the case in 2012.
If you think that’s “worship” you must have some funky notion of religion.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Where’d the Tide fans go? Come on mullets, let’s go!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
bosch
Son-of-quayle – worst-legacy-ever…
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
flashing back to your blame bush era?
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
A liberal threw out the race card earlier! No surprise there.
Lions and tigers and bears, Oh my! The libs are playing the race card again! Lions and tigers and bears. Oh my!
RGB
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” — Sen. Obama on December 20, 2007
Hmmm. Any libs care to describe the imminent threat to the U.S. by Libya?
NPR Supporter
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Why would you care about NPR? Do you know how much federal money actually goes to national programming? I realize you must hate Big Bird and Grover and Thomas the Train and everyone at Frontline, but please leave them out of this conversation. NPR is for intellectual professionals, not dim-wit Southern conservatives. NPR does not need federal funding. Unlike you losers, my friends and I have solid jobs with good income, and we can give generously to assure that they stay on the air. I admit that they have have a lean to the left, but it doesn’t bother me. I am smart enough to know what’s what and decide for myself. So, you keep on watching Fox and eating those cheeseburgers they’re selling and I’ll take care of NPR.
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
I stated quite clearly that I have no children out of wedlock.
Barack wasn’t born out of wedlock.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Stands….what makes you think he will get reelected?
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
I give up….I don’t know….how many time DID you say it?
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
Stands……Barack was conceived out of wedlock! Come on man keep up.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
George W
Obama was conceived at a Marx Celebration meeting….come on try to keep up.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
WOW…..Ha great post!
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
leg
The difference is that there was actually true substance behind the blame…funniest hooray moment? Shoe attack on bush in iraq – priceless.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
“I realize you must hate Big Bird and Grover and Thomas the Train”
I hate that Big Bird is a welfare recipient of the American Taxpayer. If Big Bird wants to remain on air, he needs to get out of the hood and get a real job.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
“Barack was conceived out of wedlock! ”
And? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Doom,
So true — I still spell “potato” “potatoe” just for spite. I think he got a bum rap for that, but he wasn’t the smartest tool in the shed.
Harry's Father
March 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
Harry:
I don’t know if this is a bad time, but you need to call me.
I have something I’ve needed to tell you for a long time. It’s about your mother and your real father.
As you can imagine, this is very painful. Please call me.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
D*mn! Nearly a thousand posts here..must be sweeps week or a REAL slow news day…either that or the memos have been held up…
Anyhoo…Not the biggest Obama fan and certainly no acolyte…but so far, imho, he’s played this one about right. Let the others lead the way, which they did when they saw we weren’t gonna,,,French droppped the first bomb…introduced the resolution…this one is not Obama and the US’s baby regardless of how it turns out…no credit, no blame….
And Laser
@ 3:36
The thought crossed my mind!
HDB
March 21st, 2011
3:45 pm
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
“Harry……people on the left do not understand morals and conservatism….You know like getting married first, then having kids that you can support and not depend on welfare.”
Not quite true…..but we could say that people on the right don’t understand the hypocracy they present when they speak of morals, denigrate those who don’t follow their paradigm….but run counter to what they present! People on the right state that they are for freedom and equality, but denigrate those who make a personal decision as to whom they should marry or whom should control their bodies………
Goes both ways, my friend!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:45 pm
“Shoe attack on bush in iraq – priceless.”
Mick, don’t ever give us a speech about not respecting the President. Ever.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:45 pm
“Barack wasn’t born out of wedlock”
I also have no children conceived out of wedlock. I also have not divorced my wife and abandoned any of my children, unlike the president’s father. Thanks for your concern.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
“but we could say that people on the right don’t understand the hypocracy they present when they speak of morals”
Spell check is your friend, HDB.
Rightwing Troll
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
This was a “damned if you do…” situation from the start. No matter what the president did here it would’ve been denounced by the Arabs and Rightwing media alike… funny how politics makes strange bedfellows… we’re still stuck in W’s previous two quagmire’s and now the “they’ll greet us as liberators” crowd is howling about a situation where we’ve actually been asked to intervene, and they REALLY will greet us as liberators…funny…
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
I wonder how RW is feeling after Saturday’s super moon?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
“unlike the president’s father.”
The presidents father was a communist.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
NPR Supporter, they hide behind the chump change involved, but the reality is that it is the one and only remaining programming that is not corporate controlled. And that is simply not allowable.
Throw in that they want it to be as vacuous, vile and vapid as everything else out there that they are addicted to, and it is an easy target.
Besides, it is just more deflection away from the fact that the parasites that these fake conservatives endorse providing vast welfare to, don’t even pay rent for using OUR airwaves.
Welcome to the American Corporatocracy…
stands for decibels
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
Stands….what makes you think he will get reelected?
well for starters:
* he’s polling reasonably well considering how high unemployment still is. Modest improvements in those UE numbers will probably inch along in the next year.
* the GOP’s field is seems pretty weak. I know it’s still early, but…Mitt Romney might make a decent run if he can survive the primaries. The rest don’t exactly scare me.
* If you poll the actual issues, as opposed to how they’re packaged (e.g., the actual objectives of the ACA as opposed to Teh Skary “OBAMAKKKARE!”), the Administration tends to be on the popular side of most of ‘em.
* He’s an incumbent, and something like 60 percent of presidents who’ve run for asecond term succeed, so there’s that precedent (and all the bully-pulpit goodies that go with being in charge)
That’s just what comes to mind.
anyway, time to leave the time-suck. Later, gators.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
wow
Did I call him any childish names? The silence is unnerving ds..
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
So, Barack was conceived out of wedlock…and then there are self-made b*stards…
Scam Newton and the cash n carry offense
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
WOW,
Dont worry nones. We be giving back that trophy when all is revealed. Cash newton gone, fairley gone, 4 of 5 O-line starters gone, top 2 wide receivers gone, top linebackers gone, 3 defensive back starters gone, only 5 starters return in 2011. 4 more players booted for robbery- 32 players gone from 2010 team. Talk da smack while you can cause Awbarn is ONE AND DONE. Go back to yore mediocrity in 2011.
barking frog
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
Unfortunately the cards dealt seem to be one more losing hand
and he doesn’t know when to fold’em.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
Bosch 3:44
“Barack was conceived out of wedlock! ”
And? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
-I dunno. Ask Alexander Hamilton.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
“Harry:
I don’t know if this is a bad time, but you need to call me.
I have something I’ve needed to tell you for a long time. It’s about your mother and your real father.
As you can imagine, this is very painful. Please call me.”
LOL. I’m 48, my parent’s are celebrating their 50th anniversary this year, and unlike Barack I have seen both my birth certificate and their wedding license. Nice try though.
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
HDB…..your previous post makes absolutely no sense. Keep up the good work.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
“Did I call him any childish names? The silence is unnerving ds..’
No, you just approved of violence against the president.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:49 pm
“We be giving back that trophy when all is revealed. Cash newton gone, fairley gone, 4 of 5 O-line starters gone, top 2 wide receivers gone, top linebackers gone, 3 defensive back starters gone, only 5 starters return in 2011. 4 more players booted for robbery- 32 players gone from 2010 team. Talk da smack while you can cause Awbarn is ONE AND DONE. Go back to yore mediocrity in 2011.”
So when is Auburn gonna give back the trophy? Answer: NEVER
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:49 pm
wow
He deserved a shoe or two – get over it…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
“he’s polling reasonably well considering how high unemployment still is. ”
You think 43% is good?
chuck
March 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
4th Grader, your name describes your level of political maturity. If you actually listened to news other than msnbc, you would find that Obama has made a NUMBER of statements about the Haliburton contracts. It seems that he believes they were the right thing to do at the time and they still are. I hate to burst your hate bubble, but OBAMA HAS RENEWED ALL OF THOSE CONTRACTS WITH HALIBURTON.
Normal
March 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
Josef,
But the French dropped the first bombs on themselves and then they surrendered to theirselves…and since you know my last name you know I can say that.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:49 pm
“He deserved a shoe or two”
Since they never made contact, does he still need a pair?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
“He deserved a shoe or two – get over it…”
Mick, nope. I think I’ll keep this post handy for the next time you pull the hypocrite card.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
“unlike the president’s father.”
The presidents father was a communist.- WOW
WOW,
You forgetting something? Or a few things? Obama’s father was not only a communist he was also a drunk and a p-o-s who abandoned his wife and child. Supposedly he killed a man with his drunk driving and also died by driving drunk and crashing into a tree. Not sure about that but its what I’ve read about his death. I read in several accounts that he died from drinking but only one site detailed how this loser died.
What I’ve never understood is why Obama looks up to this pathetic loser of a man and idolized him- a complete stranger. Or why he would title a book dreams of my father- about a drunk loser who abandoned his family.
Midori
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
I wonder how RW is feeling after Saturday’s super moon?
Bosch – he’s suffering from the after effects of his distemper shot
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
leg
Well, at least you have a sense of humor….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
We own Bama. WAR EAGLE!
You really make me laugh…
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/champions_national.html
Compare the number of times Alabama comes up on that list versus Auburn…. It’s Alabama 10 – Auburn 2.
Head to head matchup, the record is 40-34-1 in favor of Alabama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Bowl
Now who really owns who?????
Normal
March 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
I don’t know about RW, but my eye teeth are finally back to normal and I don’t need a shave anymore…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
“the GOP’s field is seems pretty weak. I know it’s still early, but…Mitt Romney might make a decent run if he can survive the primaries. The rest don’t exactly scare me.”
LOL!!!!!! What’s really funny about that comment is the fact that the libs said the EXACT same thing in 2010 before November.
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
lawow
Go ahead, mr. blog policeman…my advice to you is – drink heavily, if that’s all you’ve got to do in life…
George W
March 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Thulsa…..his bloodline means alot.
jm
March 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
People should stop judging the President so harshly on foreign policy engagements. This is mainly directed at liberals, since all the conservative criticism is mainly in jest pointing out the hypocrisy of the liberal agenda in theory and their leaders in practice.
Instead, people should mostly accept the fact that the President(s), of all stripes, take the decision to put soldiers in harms way with probably more seriousness than any other decision. When the President decides to do something like this, it is never with pleasure, excitement, or out of any damn profit motive. I’m not saying decisions can’t be criticized or voted out of office for foreign policy blunders. But people should realize that the POTUS is party to far more information than the public ever will be. And give him / her some leeway.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
So when is Auburn gonna give back the trophy? Answer: NEVER
Cam Newton got the same Heisman that Reggie Bush got. It comes with it’s own pre-addressed, postage paid, return-to-sender box. LOL!!!!
chuck
March 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
Uhhhh WOW, I hate to tell you this, but Auburn has had 3 top 10 recruiting classes in a row. We may not win the national title this year, but we will be in the hunt for the SEC. BTW, WOW who is the only team to have 3 undefeated seasons since 1999. That’s right, AUBURN. As I recall, Bama was picked to repeat as National Champs in 2010-2011 but did they? Hmmmm. NO! And if by chance you are a Georgia fan, well…bless your heart. When was the last time THEY WON a national title? 31 years ago.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
“Compare the number of times Alabama comes up on that list versus Auburn…. It’s Alabama 10 – Auburn 2.”
Since 1981, Auburn owns the series against Bama. Also, Auburn is 7-3 against the mullets since 2000.
Yep, Bama does have a lot of championships but most of those go back to before Carter was in office. Hey, who’s on probation right now? BAMA
“Head to head matchup, the record is 40-34-1 in favor of Alabama”
WOOOOOOOOOOAH!!!!! Six whole games????? Dern, that is “owning” ain’t it.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
I gotta run. Ya’ll be sure and watch me on “Sister Wives” tonight.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
Anybody seen Kamchak? Guess my questions re: socialism drove him back over to the unicorns and skittles blog…………………
RGB
March 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
I guess “intellectual professionals” (hah!) like government handouts too.
Poor baby.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:56 pm
“I hate to tell you this, but Auburn has had 3 top 10 recruiting classes in a row.”
Yeah, I know that. What’s your point?
chuck
Can you not read? I AM an AUBURN guy.
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
I will say this – W could dodge a thrown shoe better than Obama can dodge a tough question.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
“Cam Newton got the same Heisman that Reggie Bush got. It comes with it’s own pre-addressed, postage paid, return-to-sender box. LOL!!!”
WRONG!!!!! You see, there was evidence in the Bush saga. Cam, not so much.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
“Uhhhh WOW, I hate to tell you this, but Auburn has had 3 top 10 recruiting classes in a row. We may not win the national title this year, but we will be in the hunt for the SEC. BTW, WOW who is the only team to have 3 undefeated seasons since 1999. That’s right, AUBURN. As I recall, Bama was picked to repeat as National Champs in 2010-2011 but did they? Hmmmm. NO! And if by chance you are a Georgia fan, well…bless your heart. When was the last time THEY WON a national title? 31 years ago.”
Chuck, all that is real nice, buddy. If you could get your glasses checked – that would be fantastic.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
just for starters…
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/9842
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
“AP: Obama ‘favors’ Gadhafi stepping down from power…”
Will Obama make it a “top priority”?
Will it create “shovel ready jobs”?
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
Hi Midori!
Are you showing some mercy to RW and letting the kids look after him?
Normal!! Glad your back to Normal!!!
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
Oops. My apologies everyone.
I criticized Obama’s father for being a drunken azzhole who abandoned his family. Doesn’t matter if its true. You cannot and must not criticize a black man. To do means you are automatically a racist.
So I’ve penalized myself 15 yards for a personal foul, 100 hours of sensitivity training, a requirement to get a degree in African American studies for future my future engineering career, and a personal apology to anyone whose little feelings I hurt. Oh, and 10 lashes from a Singaporan Kung Fu whip master.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
“4 more players booted for robbery…”
They’ve always been a real class outfit down there, huh?
It’s not like it’s the first time they’ve been exposed for what they are. But hey, at least they made it 17 years this time! It would be funny and apropos if they voided this title too.
Other than Bo, they are generally and widely regarded as disgraceful and laughable wannabes.
Even in their own state!
Midori
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
Bosch – the kids won’t go near him until he shaves
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
NOVEMBER 9–Two years ago–before all the Heisman Trophy talk and the stories about cash solicitations and alleged academic misconduct–Cameron Newton was copping to possessing a computer that was stolen from a fellow University of Florida student.
Newton, now the star quarterback at second-ranked Auburn University, was arrested in November 2008 and charged with grand theft, burglary, and obstructing justice in connection with the boosting of Paul Loschak’s Dell laptop. After Newton, now 21, admitted being in possession of the hot computer, he was placed into a pre-trial intervention program that ended last December with all charges against him being dropped.
A University of Florida Police Department report, excerpted here, details how investigators tracked the stolen laptop to the athlete, and how Newton tossed the computer out his dorm window in a humorously ill-advised attempt to hide it from cops (a friend scooped up the laptop and hid it behind a dumpster at a nearby school building).
As cops were about to search his room, Newton (then a backup to Florida QB Tim Tebow) was overheard on a cellphone telling someone, “There was a computer and I took it.” After noting that he had thrown the laptop out of the window, Newton remarked, “Huh! Cuz, they bout to search my room.” The football star is pictured in the above mug shot.
After the athlete was placed under arrest, he was handcuffed and walked to a patrol car. That is when Newton’s phone–which had been seized by cops–began vibrating with a series of text messages from accomplice Cesar Perez, who had retrieved the computer from beneath Newton’s window. Unaware that his buddy was in custody, Perez assured Newton that cops, “did not have sh__ and if they did, he would be under arrest.” Perez advised that Newton should “keep denying it.”
Other records show that when Newton and his father complained about a grand theft charge being filed against the collegiate star, a prosecutor wrote Newton’s lawyer to remind him that his client had already been given “many concessions,” including the dropping of a felony burglary charge and the government’s agreement to allow Newton into a pre-trial intervention program. (6 pages)
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:01 pm
NORMAL
Oh, have I had trouble controlling MY French comments! And since you know certain things about those lines of mine, too, you know I better keep quiet…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
Since 1981, Auburn owns the series against Bama. Also, Auburn is 7-3 against the mullets since 2000
Don’t try to narrow the goalposts to suit your opinion. Auburn has not owned Alabama. Auburn is still playing catch-up. Keep flinging those cow patties, cause that’s about the only good thing to come out of Auburn.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Thulsa, et al
Since when is the child responsible for the sins of the fathers?
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
Okay, Bruin, you’re over 1000. Time for some fresh sheets…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:05 pm
“Other than Bo, they are generally and widely regarded as disgraceful and laughable wannabes.”
Gotta love ignorant people who know nothing about college football players. What’s really funny is the fact that Vet didn’t even attend a major university.
Hey Vet, here’s a list of players from Auburn.
Frank Thomas – retired American League baseball player who will go to the HOF
Tim Hudson – starting pitcher for the Atlanta Braves
Charles Barkley – retired NBA great.
Current NFL players
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Harry Callahan
You must be a UGAer.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
……………Referring to Prince William’s bachelor party:
“It’s gotta be weird stuffing money into a stripper’s bikini, when every bill has a photo of your grandmother printed on it!”
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Leg lamp,
There are plenty of shovel ready jobs. Unfortunately and tragically those jobs are all over in Japan cleaning up the aftermath of that earthquake/tsunami. But don’t you worry. Obama is figuring it all out in between his vacation in Brazil and his golfing.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
“Auburn has not owned Alabama. Auburn is still playing catch-up. Keep flinging those cow patties, cause that’s about the only good thing to come out of Auburn.”
Auburn owns Bama.
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
George W
Would I support a Socialist candidate? Not necessarily. But I would not have a knee-jerk reaction either. Supporting anyone just because of Party and nothing else is what has gotten us in so much trouble in the past. I would at least hear them out, just as I would all the other candidates.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
Harry, this has to hurt. HA HAHAHA
The SEC’s 25 best players: No. 1
No. 1: Cam Newton, QB, Jr., Auburn
2010 numbers/honors: Led the SEC with 1,473 rushing yards and was No. 2 nationally in passing efficiency with a 182.05 rating. Accounted for 51 touchdowns – 30 passing, 20 rushing and one receiving. Completed 66.1 percent of his passes. Newton became the third Auburn player to win the Heisman Trophy as the most outstanding player in college football. Also won the Manning and Davey O’Brien awards as the top quarterback in the country, and the Maxwell Award as the top player in the country. A consensus first-team All-America selection and consensus first-team All-SEC selection.
Making the case for Newton: There were so many milestones for Newton that it’s impossible to know where to start. He became the first player in SEC history to pass for 2,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season. He’s one of only three players in NCAA FBS history to pass for 20 touchdowns and rush for 20 touchdowns in the same season. His 1,473 rushing yards set a single-season SEC record for quarterbacks, and the 51 touchdowns he accounted for led the country. In his first season as a starter in the SEC, Newton took an Auburn team picked by most to finish third or fourth in the Western Division to a team that went 14-0 and captured the school’s first national championship since 1957. He was unstoppable at quarterback, and that’s whether he was weaving his way for a 49-yard touchdown run against LSU or burning South Carolina on a 54-yard bomb for a touchdown to Darvin Adams. Former SEC great Archie Manning said we might never see a player put up numbers again like Newton did last season. For that matter, we might never see another player, period, like Newton again — a 6-foot-6, 250-pound quarterback who could run the way he could, pass with the efficiency that he did and transform a good team into an unbeaten national championship team. Newton was the essence of resiliency, too. When the NCAA investigation heated up and all the allegations began to fly in November, he dialed in that much more and played some of his best football down the stretch.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
Charles Barkley.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
What a work of art!
And SoCo is right. You football wannabes can’t carry their jockstraps!
And never will…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
The SEC’s 25 best players: No. 2
No. 2: Nick Fairley, DT, Jr., Auburn
2010 numbers/honors: Led the SEC with 24 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks. Fifth on Auburn’s team with 60 total tackles and also had a team-leading 21 quarterback hurries. Won the Lombardi Award, which is presented annually to the best lineman or linebacker in college football. Named as the SEC defensive player of the year by the Associated Press. A consensus first-team All-American and consensus first-team All-SEC selection.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Current NFL players
Other than Ben Grubbs, they all suck!!! Ben’s family, therefore he’s the exception to the suck rule…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
“And SoCo is right. You football wannabes can’t carry their jockstraps!”
What university did you attend, Vet?
George W
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Anybody else here got a name that rhymes with “suck” or am I the biggest loser, as usual?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
“Other than Ben Grubbs, they all suck!!!”
I can’t think of one Bama star in the NFL. Not one single player. But hey, you’ll always have Drunk Nameth.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Thulsa, et al
“Since when is the child responsible for the sins of the fathers?”- josef nix
Josef nix,
I never said he was. Son and father are completely different. I simply find it curious that the man seems to have a favorable view of a man who was a drunken loser and that he writes a book titled dreams of my father in homage to a man who abandoned his family. Its very curious as to why he would do this and why he identifies with this p-o-s who was nothing more than a sperm donor.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Harry Callahan
You must be a UGAer.”
No…Georgia Tech. But I’m not getting into a shouting match about college football…just pointing out the (unfortunate) facts about Mr. Newton
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..”
And UGA has more players who’ve been in jail than Auburn and Alabama combined.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
Auburn owns Bama.
The only “Bama” that Auburn owns, is the imprint of that elephant hoof on their collective asses. Auburn is the Avis of college football in Alabama. “We’re #2 because we try harder”… LOL!!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
“No…Georgia Tech.”
HAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
“Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..”
Why do you suppose Richt can’t seem to accomplish anything with them?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
“The only “Bama” that Auburn owns, is the imprint of that elephant hoof on their collective asses. Auburn is the Avis of college football in Alabama. “We’re #2 because we try harder”… LOL!!!!”
Auburn version of Rammer Jammer after 2010 Iron Bowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXmZCd_059I&feature=related
HEY ALABAMA!!!! WE JUST BEAT THE HELL OUT OF YOU, RAMMER JAMMER YELLOW HAMMER GO TO HELL ALABAMA!!!!!!
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:13 pm
SoCo, we have won 7 of the last 10 against Bama
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
“SoCo, we have won 7 of the last 10 against Bama”
WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!!!!
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
WOW,
Careful now. Joe Namath was cool. The man got a lot of booty, talked the big talk before the super bowl and backed it all up. A drunk he was but a cool drunk at that.
Ya’ll let your bama-au rivalry get too carried away. Next thing ya know AU fans will be ransacking and vandalizing Nick Saban’s vacation house and Bama fans will be poisoning beautiful, historic oak trees.
The reality is that both have outstanding football traditions.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
“Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..”
BWAHAHAHAHA!
As if anybody cares?
The prima donnas aren’t even gonna play this year!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Thulsa Doom
That’s what makes the Auburn/Mullet rival so great.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
I can’t think of one Bama star in the NFL. Not one single player. But hey, you’ll always have Drunk Nameth.
I didn’t think Auburn people knew how to think. That may be why you can’t think of one single player. I’ll help you out since I know thinking isn’t one of your strong points.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Alabama_people
TruthBe
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Obama supporters have double standards. When President Bush defended our Country the liberal left democrat supporters and hollywood/ media cry out against President Bush but not against President Obama. YOU included Jay.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
“As if anybody cares?”
Again, what university did you attend, Vet?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
SoCo, we have won 7 of the last 10 against Bama
And you’re still 6 behind from tying the series. Really shows how much Bama has spanked that ass over the years…. You two are making my point for me, but then again I wouldn’t expect less from Auburn fans.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
The reality is that
bothone has an outstanding football tradition.Unless wining a title every 53 years is outstanding!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
“I didn’t think Auburn people knew how to think.’
Can you not read, SC? I didn’t say ANYTHING about Bama not having great players in years passed. I said that I can’t name ONE great player today.
Again, enlighten me. Name ONE great Bama player playing in the NFL right now.
A dad
March 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
Normally I’m a one blog sort, but since the topis is so interesting I went back to read everything since I posted hours ago. WOW, not worried about insults, but then again I really don’t say anything outrageous and tend to stick to the topic. Comfort, yup. Amvet, you sound very bitter about your service. Did you get passed over for promotion, kicked out for DADT, or simply never caught on to the “Honor, Service, Fidelity” part of the armed forces? Mike, is it possible for you to comprehend people can believe with the POTUS for reasons other than his race/color/national origin/etc? Could it just be, gasp, the fact he’s done exactly what GWB did and no one on the left is crucifying him for it like they did [and still do here] Bush (execpt Dennis the Menace Kucinich which, my dear libs, ought to speak volumes on this one….) and I don’t like hypocracy? At least we’re standing way off shore lobbing cruise missles (not worried about Libya’s air defense, a Boy Scout soapbox derby entry is more sophisticated than Libya’s air force) and not sending troops ashore. At least not yet. My fault fellow bloggers? I hold American blood and guts dearly precious, and to be spilt only when the cause is truly righteous. There, barbs away.
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
WOW, Georgia does NOT have more NFL players than Auburn. You don’t even have as many as we have running backs and receivers.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
SoCo,
I remember these really good friends of mine growing up — huge Alabama fans — when Bear died, they were in mourning for weeks, months, YEARS!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
“Unless wining a title every 53 years is outstanding!”
AGAIN: WHAT UNIVERSITY DID YOU ATTEND, AMVET?????????????
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
Glad to see this crew can debate anything. Especially Bama-Auburn.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
“WOW, Georgia does NOT have more NFL players than Auburn. You don’t even have as many as we have running backs and receivers.”
Are you insane, chuck?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
“when Bear died, they were in mourning for weeks, months, YEARS!!”
What do maggots and Bama fans have in common?
Both can live off a dead bear for years.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
TruthBe,
What was Bush defending our country against?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
“Amvet, you sound very bitter about your service. Did you get passed over for promotion, kicked out for DADT, or simply never caught on to the “Honor, Service, Fidelity” part of the armed forces?”
Glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks AmVet is insane.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
chuck
Either you can’t read, or you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Show me ONE post where I talk about being a UGA fan.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
Georgia has more players in the NFL but that hasn’t translated into on the field success and championships. Those are accomplishments post UGA football.
AU won the annual iron bowl in dramatic come from behind fashion. But it was hardly beating the hell outta somebody- 1 point.
I watched and it seemed to me more of the bammers just blowing the game-Ingram fumbling and the ball inexplicably tightwire bouncing all the way down the sidelines before finally going out of the end zone. And if I recall their other back dropped a simple little toss pass in the end zone that negated another touchdown. That game coulda gone either way and ended up going Auburn’s way. But I certainly wouldn’t call it a whipping. Matter of fact seemed like AU won an incredible number of tight games last year. But any champion has to have a little luck and good fortune to go 14-0.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
Since 1980, Alabama is THE most penalized university in the country. They’ve been on probation three times and are currently on probation until 2012.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
Thulsa
Point made…but, still, it seems to me the one thing the old man did right was to legitimate the offspring…I just think that it’s unfair to make a point of an individual’s state of conception/birth…curse the father all you want and you probably will have me in your corner…as Granddaddy taught me and I believe, “there are no b*stard children, only b*stard parents…”
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
It is of my distinguised opinion that WOW is an Auburn fan.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
WOW
I provided a link to those players just as you provided one. It’s there for you to see if you want to.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
“AU won the annual iron bowl in dramatic come from behind fashion. But it was hardly beating the hell outta somebody- 1 point. ”
No, but coming back from a 24 point deficit in Tuscaloser is quite an accomplishment.
“Matter of fact seemed like AU won an incredible number of tight games last year. But any champion has to have a little luck and good fortune to go 14-0.”
Yep, and Auburn won every single game. Auburn has gone undefeated more times in the last 40 years than ANY SEC team.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
“AGAIN: WHAT UNIVERSITY DID YOU ATTEND, AMVET?????????????”
He’ll get to that one right after he finishes crafting his response to the “do you favor or oppose socialism” question.
He’s all about the issues though.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
“I provided a link to those players just as you provided one. It’s there for you to see if you want to.”
And like I said, I didn’t see one single great player who plays in the NFL currently.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
“It is of my distinguised opinion that WOW is an Auburn fan.”
WAR DAMN EAGLE!
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
I’m sorry, but I could never be a fan of a football team who wears the color orange.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Anybody seen Kamchak?
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Rich liberal tax dodgers
By SCOTT WONG & JOHN BRESNAHAN | 3/21/11 3:37 PM EDT Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo) failed to pay $287,273 in personal property taxes on a private airplane for the past four years
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Harry Callahan
I’m gonna assume that Vet didn’t attend a major university and therefore his remarks about Auburn football are laughable.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
“I’m sorry, but I could never be a fan of a football team who wears the color orange.”
And we care, why?
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
Joseph at 4:22,
I will fully agree with your post. I certainly don’t fault Obama for his father being worthless. Not his fault and as you said at least the man married his mother. My only point is I just don’t understand why Obama identifies with this loser and even writes a book in deference to the man who was completely absent from his life. He met him twice in his life I believe and the first time wasn’t till he was 8 years old I think.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
awesome………….. bipartisan consensus
Moderate Democrat Says No Debt Reduction? No Debt Ceiling Increase.
West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin vowed Monday to oppose any increase in the nation’s debt ceiling unless Congress also approves, in tandem, a debt and deficit reduction package, a combative stance from the moderate …
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
Bosch
Out of curiosity, what school do you pull for?
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
“I’m gonna assume that Vet didn’t attend a major university and therefore his remarks about Auburn football are laughable.”
Why should his remarks about Auburn football be any different from any of his other remarks?
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
sorry WOW, I meant George W
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Bosch
There’s a reason that the Coach of the Year award is the Paul “Bear” Bryant Award and not the Ralph “Shug” Jordan Award. One of those two coaches had a profound effect on college football.
Just sayin’
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
You know Doom, I’ve never read his books, but every time I hear Obama talk about his father, he doesn’t have a dreamy reverence about him, he usually says basically what you said, that he only met him a couple times and was completely absent from his life.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
“Why should his remarks about Auburn football be any different from any of his other remarks?”
Not sure, Harry. You’d have to ask him.
BADA BING
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Yes, Libyans fighting each other for their freedom. It is only right, their blood spilled, not ours. They will appreciate their freedom more, because they earned it. You can’t give some people freedom, they don’t know what it is.
C from Marietta
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
BLOGS = petty words from petty people. LOL
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Okay, I’ll say it…folks arguing the merits of a “university” based on its sports teams versus it Nobel Laureates in the Sciences and Humanities are the real reason this country is rapidly descending into a new Dark Ages and losing our edge in the real world marketplace of ideas…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
“sorry WOW, I meant George W”
Cool, chuck. I mean, I don’t know how else to show that I am a die hard Auburn guy who hates everything about the U of Bama.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Got a friend big Alabama fan who has a simple rule of thumb for following football- hate any team that has orange in their uniform. In his case AU, Tennessee, Florida, and Miami, and recently Texas of course in the previous bcs title game.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
SoCo,
Bear was the Man….along with you too of course. He dripped college football.
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
BTW, appropriating someone’s blog name and posting derogotorily is low class and usually addressed by Jay, who gets to see the IP addresses. So whoever that was, can A) stop acting like a 3-year-old and B) Bite Me.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
“folks arguing the merits of a “university” based on its sports teams ”
No one based merits of a university off of its sports teams, josef.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action
A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGgPBYCe
Uh oh. Obama never had the right. He’s lost the middle moderate independents. And now he’s lost the liberals…. A man without supporters….. toast?
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Looks like many of you enjoy watching semi-illiterate gorillas beat each other’s brains out each week in that mindless game called football. That goes a long way in explaning the intellectual level of your posts here.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.) “all strongly raised objections to the constitutionality of the president’s actions” during that call, said two Democratic lawmakers who took part.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGgjtf6z
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
WOW, I didn’t get to read all of the posts.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Yeah josef!! True indeed.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
josef nix,
A common point of pride that AU people used to brag about was that AU had sent more astronauts into space than any other university. I’m not sure if that stat still holds true but it wouldn’t surprise me if it did. I know it was still a valid stat as of several years ago. Maybe WOW can verify it.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
“hate any team that has orange in their uniform.”
Bama’s problem.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Kucinich, who wanted to bring impeachment articles against both former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over Iraq — only to be blocked by his own leadership — asked why the U.S. missile strikes aren’t impeachable offenses.
Kucinich also questioned why Democratic leaders didn’t object when President Barack Obama told them of his plan for American participation in enforcing the Libyan no-fly zone during a White House Situation Room meeting on Friday, sources told POLITICO.
And liberals fumed that Congress hadn’t been formally consulted before the attack and expressed concern that it would lead to a third U.S. war in the Muslim world.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGguvGaC
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Doom @ 4:31,
I do know that the only rocket scientist I know, is an Auburn grad.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
WOW,
and if the stat that I mentioned in my previous post is true then its certainly a huge point of pride.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Thulsa
Now that we’re more or less on the same track here…I would posit that his “praise” was for the press value. I’ve had some serious questions about a man of his stature and the conditions in which his paternal family live…the price of one of his suits would lift his Grandmother and brother out of the third world poverty in which they live…that Aunt in public housing…maybe it’s just me and the way I was raised, but you take care of your own first…
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
At this rate, the the plain janes will win another tainted crown in………..2063.
But their semi-literate alumni and drop (p)outs think they are winners!
War Dumb Eagle! Woo Hoo!
(Making fun of aw-burned-again is just the American thing to do…)
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
So ironic. I agree…..
“They consulted the Arab League. They consulted the United Nations. They did not consult the United States Congress,” one Democrat lawmaker said of the White House. “They’re creating wreckage, and they can’t obviate that by saying there are no boots on the ground. … There aren’t boots on the ground; there are Tomahawks in the air.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGh7VeaD
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
carlosgvv,
And then there are us like me and Kamchak that watch the “real” football.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
“Looks like many of you enjoy watching semi-illiterate gorillas beat each other’s brains out each week in that mindless game called football. That goes a long way in explaning the intellectual level of your posts here.”
Carlos Translator 2000: He can’t come up with anything relevant to write so he jumps in and pretends to be an intellectual heavyweight.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
Bosch,
The only rocket scientist I know is also an Auburn grad. Matter of fact he is the guy that is in charge of plotting the course for the space shuttle. Pretty neat huh.
gm
March 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
Maybe if George W had of thought Iraqi war out like Obama, using other allies to get involved we would not have had 4500 American troops dead.
Thank God for this cool, calm, classy man he will go down as the greatest President of our life time.
The Known Unknowns
March 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
Translator 2000s were recalled due to multiple unrepairable defects, WOW. Why am I not surprised to see you still using it.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
AmVet Translator 2000: He didn’t go to college.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
WOW
You have Roman Harper from New Orleans. Le’Ron McClain has a couple of Pro Bowls under hi