In Libya, Obama playing the cards he’s been dealt
President Obama’s decision to join our European and Arab allies in launching air assaults against Libyan forces has been criticized by some as an ad hoc, patched-together reaction rather than a carefully thought-out strategy. And to a degree, they’re right. Sometimes, an unexpected and quickly changing situation does not permit the careful application of strategy. Sometimes, you just have to play your cards as they are dealt, recalculating risk and reward as each card is flipped your way. I don’t know how this is going to play out, but so far Obama seems to be playing his hand rationally and cautiously.
Sure, intervening earlier against Gadhafi on the side of the Libyan rebels might have proved more effective in military terms, but it also would have put the United States in the position of trying to dictate outcomes in the Arab world. And not intervening at all, as some on the left still advocate, was a cruel option at best. Had the coalition not acted when it did last week, the world today would probably be sitting back and watching helplessly while a brutal Gadhafi massacred tens of thousands of his fellow Libyans.
Many of those now condemning Obama for acting would have been condemning him for not acting. That’s how these things go. As Obama himself noted in his Nobel Peace Prize speech, “I believe that force can be justified on humanitarian grounds, as it was in the Balkans, or in other places that have been scarred by war. Inaction tears at our conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later. That is why all responsible nations must embrace the role that militaries with a clear mandate can play to keep the peace.”
The fact that we are acting, somewhat reluctantly, at the urging of European and Arab allies also minimizes the geo-political risk. This is not an American initiative in which the United Nations and others are being strong-armed to support our policy; this is an international initiative which the United States has agreed to join as its most powerful member. There’s a world of difference between the two, not least because it has forced other countries to shed their infantilism and take responsibility, rather than leaving the tough decisions to Uncle Sam all the time and then grumbling about the outcome.
Obama’s critics also point out that we have no real idea how this will end, or even how we want it to end. Again, that’s accurate to a degree. However, Gadhafi himself has made it clear that he sees only two possible outcomes: victory or death. He has no third option — at this point, he can’t leave Libya to live elsewhere, and he knows it.
Publicly, coalition leaders are saying that Gadhafi is not a military target, but the smoking ruins of his personal compound in Tripoli offer more convincing evidence to the contrary. And at some point, if Western air power doesn’t take him out, his own commanders might. They now see their units being taken apart from the air, and there’s nothing they can do to defend themselves. The quickest way to make it stop is to make Gadhafi stop.
So we shall see.
– Jay Bookman
ADDENDUM: After all these years, the cynicism of Newt Gingrich continues to amaze and even disgust.
Until last week, the former speaker had been pressing Obama to intervene militarily in Libya and force Gadhafi’s ouster. “This is a moment to get rid of him,” he told Greta Van Susteren on Fox. “Do it. Get it over with.”
So what does he say now? As Politico reports:
“Newt Gingrich blasted the decision to attack Libya Sunday afternoon as “opportunistic amateurism without planning or professionalism.”
“It is impossible to make sense of the standard for intervention in Libya except opportunism and news media publicity,” Gingrich said in a statement to POLITICO, his first public comments since President Barack Obama gave the go-ahead order on Saturday.
Iran and North Korea pose “vastly bigger threats” to American national interests, he argued. There are other countries in Africa where strongmen brutalize civilians, including Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
“Mugabe has killed more people, the Sudanese dictatorship has killed more people, there are a lot of bad dictators doing bad things,” Gingrich said.
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The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Mick
March 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
I will say this – W could dodge a thrown shoe better than Obama can dodge a tough question.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
“Cam Newton got the same Heisman that Reggie Bush got. It comes with it’s own pre-addressed, postage paid, return-to-sender box. LOL!!!”
WRONG!!!!! You see, there was evidence in the Bush saga. Cam, not so much.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
“Uhhhh WOW, I hate to tell you this, but Auburn has had 3 top 10 recruiting classes in a row. We may not win the national title this year, but we will be in the hunt for the SEC. BTW, WOW who is the only team to have 3 undefeated seasons since 1999. That’s right, AUBURN. As I recall, Bama was picked to repeat as National Champs in 2010-2011 but did they? Hmmmm. NO! And if by chance you are a Georgia fan, well…bless your heart. When was the last time THEY WON a national title? 31 years ago.”
Chuck, all that is real nice, buddy. If you could get your glasses checked – that would be fantastic.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
just for starters…
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/9842
The Leg Lamp™©® is a “major award”…..
March 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
“AP: Obama ‘favors’ Gadhafi stepping down from power…”
Will Obama make it a “top priority”?
Will it create “shovel ready jobs”?
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
Hi Midori!
Are you showing some mercy to RW and letting the kids look after him?
Normal!! Glad your back to Normal!!!
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
Oops. My apologies everyone.
I criticized Obama’s father for being a drunken azzhole who abandoned his family. Doesn’t matter if its true. You cannot and must not criticize a black man. To do means you are automatically a racist.
So I’ve penalized myself 15 yards for a personal foul, 100 hours of sensitivity training, a requirement to get a degree in African American studies for future my future engineering career, and a personal apology to anyone whose little feelings I hurt. Oh, and 10 lashes from a Singaporan Kung Fu whip master.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
“4 more players booted for robbery…”
They’ve always been a real class outfit down there, huh?
It’s not like it’s the first time they’ve been exposed for what they are. But hey, at least they made it 17 years this time! It would be funny and apropos if they voided this title too.
Other than Bo, they are generally and widely regarded as disgraceful and laughable wannabes.
Even in their own state!
Midori
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
Bosch – the kids won’t go near him until he shaves
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
NOVEMBER 9–Two years ago–before all the Heisman Trophy talk and the stories about cash solicitations and alleged academic misconduct–Cameron Newton was copping to possessing a computer that was stolen from a fellow University of Florida student.
Newton, now the star quarterback at second-ranked Auburn University, was arrested in November 2008 and charged with grand theft, burglary, and obstructing justice in connection with the boosting of Paul Loschak’s Dell laptop. After Newton, now 21, admitted being in possession of the hot computer, he was placed into a pre-trial intervention program that ended last December with all charges against him being dropped.
A University of Florida Police Department report, excerpted here, details how investigators tracked the stolen laptop to the athlete, and how Newton tossed the computer out his dorm window in a humorously ill-advised attempt to hide it from cops (a friend scooped up the laptop and hid it behind a dumpster at a nearby school building).
As cops were about to search his room, Newton (then a backup to Florida QB Tim Tebow) was overheard on a cellphone telling someone, “There was a computer and I took it.” After noting that he had thrown the laptop out of the window, Newton remarked, “Huh! Cuz, they bout to search my room.” The football star is pictured in the above mug shot.
After the athlete was placed under arrest, he was handcuffed and walked to a patrol car. That is when Newton’s phone–which had been seized by cops–began vibrating with a series of text messages from accomplice Cesar Perez, who had retrieved the computer from beneath Newton’s window. Unaware that his buddy was in custody, Perez assured Newton that cops, “did not have sh__ and if they did, he would be under arrest.” Perez advised that Newton should “keep denying it.”
Other records show that when Newton and his father complained about a grand theft charge being filed against the collegiate star, a prosecutor wrote Newton’s lawyer to remind him that his client had already been given “many concessions,” including the dropping of a felony burglary charge and the government’s agreement to allow Newton into a pre-trial intervention program. (6 pages)
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:01 pm
NORMAL
Oh, have I had trouble controlling MY French comments! And since you know certain things about those lines of mine, too, you know I better keep quiet…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
Since 1981, Auburn owns the series against Bama. Also, Auburn is 7-3 against the mullets since 2000
Don’t try to narrow the goalposts to suit your opinion. Auburn has not owned Alabama. Auburn is still playing catch-up. Keep flinging those cow patties, cause that’s about the only good thing to come out of Auburn.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Thulsa, et al
Since when is the child responsible for the sins of the fathers?
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
Okay, Bruin, you’re over 1000. Time for some fresh sheets…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:05 pm
“Other than Bo, they are generally and widely regarded as disgraceful and laughable wannabes.”
Gotta love ignorant people who know nothing about college football players. What’s really funny is the fact that Vet didn’t even attend a major university.
Hey Vet, here’s a list of players from Auburn.
Frank Thomas – retired American League baseball player who will go to the HOF
Tim Hudson – starting pitcher for the Atlanta Braves
Charles Barkley – retired NBA great.
Current NFL players
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers_football
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Harry Callahan
You must be a UGAer.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
……………Referring to Prince William’s bachelor party:
“It’s gotta be weird stuffing money into a stripper’s bikini, when every bill has a photo of your grandmother printed on it!”
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Leg lamp,
There are plenty of shovel ready jobs. Unfortunately and tragically those jobs are all over in Japan cleaning up the aftermath of that earthquake/tsunami. But don’t you worry. Obama is figuring it all out in between his vacation in Brazil and his golfing.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
“Auburn has not owned Alabama. Auburn is still playing catch-up. Keep flinging those cow patties, cause that’s about the only good thing to come out of Auburn.”
Auburn owns Bama.
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
George W
Would I support a Socialist candidate? Not necessarily. But I would not have a knee-jerk reaction either. Supporting anyone just because of Party and nothing else is what has gotten us in so much trouble in the past. I would at least hear them out, just as I would all the other candidates.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
Harry, this has to hurt. HA HAHAHA
The SEC’s 25 best players: No. 1
No. 1: Cam Newton, QB, Jr., Auburn
2010 numbers/honors: Led the SEC with 1,473 rushing yards and was No. 2 nationally in passing efficiency with a 182.05 rating. Accounted for 51 touchdowns – 30 passing, 20 rushing and one receiving. Completed 66.1 percent of his passes. Newton became the third Auburn player to win the Heisman Trophy as the most outstanding player in college football. Also won the Manning and Davey O’Brien awards as the top quarterback in the country, and the Maxwell Award as the top player in the country. A consensus first-team All-America selection and consensus first-team All-SEC selection.
Making the case for Newton: There were so many milestones for Newton that it’s impossible to know where to start. He became the first player in SEC history to pass for 2,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in the same season. He’s one of only three players in NCAA FBS history to pass for 20 touchdowns and rush for 20 touchdowns in the same season. His 1,473 rushing yards set a single-season SEC record for quarterbacks, and the 51 touchdowns he accounted for led the country. In his first season as a starter in the SEC, Newton took an Auburn team picked by most to finish third or fourth in the Western Division to a team that went 14-0 and captured the school’s first national championship since 1957. He was unstoppable at quarterback, and that’s whether he was weaving his way for a 49-yard touchdown run against LSU or burning South Carolina on a 54-yard bomb for a touchdown to Darvin Adams. Former SEC great Archie Manning said we might never see a player put up numbers again like Newton did last season. For that matter, we might never see another player, period, like Newton again — a 6-foot-6, 250-pound quarterback who could run the way he could, pass with the efficiency that he did and transform a good team into an unbeaten national championship team. Newton was the essence of resiliency, too. When the NCAA investigation heated up and all the allegations began to fly in November, he dialed in that much more and played some of his best football down the stretch.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
Charles Barkley.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
What a work of art!
And SoCo is right. You football wannabes can’t carry their jockstraps!
And never will…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
The SEC’s 25 best players: No. 2
No. 2: Nick Fairley, DT, Jr., Auburn
2010 numbers/honors: Led the SEC with 24 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks. Fifth on Auburn’s team with 60 total tackles and also had a team-leading 21 quarterback hurries. Won the Lombardi Award, which is presented annually to the best lineman or linebacker in college football. Named as the SEC defensive player of the year by the Associated Press. A consensus first-team All-American and consensus first-team All-SEC selection.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Current NFL players
Other than Ben Grubbs, they all suck!!! Ben’s family, therefore he’s the exception to the suck rule…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
“And SoCo is right. You football wannabes can’t carry their jockstraps!”
What university did you attend, Vet?
George W
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Anybody else here got a name that rhymes with “suck” or am I the biggest loser, as usual?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
“Other than Ben Grubbs, they all suck!!!”
I can’t think of one Bama star in the NFL. Not one single player. But hey, you’ll always have Drunk Nameth.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Thulsa, et al
“Since when is the child responsible for the sins of the fathers?”- josef nix
Josef nix,
I never said he was. Son and father are completely different. I simply find it curious that the man seems to have a favorable view of a man who was a drunken loser and that he writes a book titled dreams of my father in homage to a man who abandoned his family. Its very curious as to why he would do this and why he identifies with this p-o-s who was nothing more than a sperm donor.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Harry Callahan
You must be a UGAer.”
No…Georgia Tech. But I’m not getting into a shouting match about college football…just pointing out the (unfortunate) facts about Mr. Newton
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..”
And UGA has more players who’ve been in jail than Auburn and Alabama combined.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
Auburn owns Bama.
The only “Bama” that Auburn owns, is the imprint of that elephant hoof on their collective asses. Auburn is the Avis of college football in Alabama. “We’re #2 because we try harder”… LOL!!!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
“No…Georgia Tech.”
HAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
“Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..”
Why do you suppose Richt can’t seem to accomplish anything with them?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
“The only “Bama” that Auburn owns, is the imprint of that elephant hoof on their collective asses. Auburn is the Avis of college football in Alabama. “We’re #2 because we try harder”… LOL!!!!”
Auburn version of Rammer Jammer after 2010 Iron Bowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXmZCd_059I&feature=related
HEY ALABAMA!!!! WE JUST BEAT THE HELL OUT OF YOU, RAMMER JAMMER YELLOW HAMMER GO TO HELL ALABAMA!!!!!!
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:13 pm
SoCo, we have won 7 of the last 10 against Bama
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
“SoCo, we have won 7 of the last 10 against Bama”
WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!!!!!!
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
WOW,
Careful now. Joe Namath was cool. The man got a lot of booty, talked the big talk before the super bowl and backed it all up. A drunk he was but a cool drunk at that.
Ya’ll let your bama-au rivalry get too carried away. Next thing ya know AU fans will be ransacking and vandalizing Nick Saban’s vacation house and Bama fans will be poisoning beautiful, historic oak trees.
The reality is that both have outstanding football traditions.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
“Georgia still has more players playing in the NFL that Auburn or Alabama…..”
BWAHAHAHAHA!
As if anybody cares?
The prima donnas aren’t even gonna play this year!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Thulsa Doom
That’s what makes the Auburn/Mullet rival so great.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
I can’t think of one Bama star in the NFL. Not one single player. But hey, you’ll always have Drunk Nameth.
I didn’t think Auburn people knew how to think. That may be why you can’t think of one single player. I’ll help you out since I know thinking isn’t one of your strong points.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Alabama_people
TruthBe
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Obama supporters have double standards. When President Bush defended our Country the liberal left democrat supporters and hollywood/ media cry out against President Bush but not against President Obama. YOU included Jay.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
“As if anybody cares?”
Again, what university did you attend, Vet?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
SoCo, we have won 7 of the last 10 against Bama
And you’re still 6 behind from tying the series. Really shows how much Bama has spanked that ass over the years…. You two are making my point for me, but then again I wouldn’t expect less from Auburn fans.
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
The reality is that
bothone has an outstanding football tradition.Unless wining a title every 53 years is outstanding!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
“I didn’t think Auburn people knew how to think.’
Can you not read, SC? I didn’t say ANYTHING about Bama not having great players in years passed. I said that I can’t name ONE great player today.
Again, enlighten me. Name ONE great Bama player playing in the NFL right now.
A dad
March 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
Normally I’m a one blog sort, but since the topis is so interesting I went back to read everything since I posted hours ago. WOW, not worried about insults, but then again I really don’t say anything outrageous and tend to stick to the topic. Comfort, yup. Amvet, you sound very bitter about your service. Did you get passed over for promotion, kicked out for DADT, or simply never caught on to the “Honor, Service, Fidelity” part of the armed forces? Mike, is it possible for you to comprehend people can believe with the POTUS for reasons other than his race/color/national origin/etc? Could it just be, gasp, the fact he’s done exactly what GWB did and no one on the left is crucifying him for it like they did [and still do here] Bush (execpt Dennis the Menace Kucinich which, my dear libs, ought to speak volumes on this one….) and I don’t like hypocracy? At least we’re standing way off shore lobbing cruise missles (not worried about Libya’s air defense, a Boy Scout soapbox derby entry is more sophisticated than Libya’s air force) and not sending troops ashore. At least not yet. My fault fellow bloggers? I hold American blood and guts dearly precious, and to be spilt only when the cause is truly righteous. There, barbs away.
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
WOW, Georgia does NOT have more NFL players than Auburn. You don’t even have as many as we have running backs and receivers.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
SoCo,
I remember these really good friends of mine growing up — huge Alabama fans — when Bear died, they were in mourning for weeks, months, YEARS!!
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
“Unless wining a title every 53 years is outstanding!”
AGAIN: WHAT UNIVERSITY DID YOU ATTEND, AMVET?????????????
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
Glad to see this crew can debate anything. Especially Bama-Auburn.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
“WOW, Georgia does NOT have more NFL players than Auburn. You don’t even have as many as we have running backs and receivers.”
Are you insane, chuck?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
“when Bear died, they were in mourning for weeks, months, YEARS!!”
What do maggots and Bama fans have in common?
Both can live off a dead bear for years.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
TruthBe,
What was Bush defending our country against?
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
“Amvet, you sound very bitter about your service. Did you get passed over for promotion, kicked out for DADT, or simply never caught on to the “Honor, Service, Fidelity” part of the armed forces?”
Glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks AmVet is insane.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
chuck
Either you can’t read, or you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Show me ONE post where I talk about being a UGA fan.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
Georgia has more players in the NFL but that hasn’t translated into on the field success and championships. Those are accomplishments post UGA football.
AU won the annual iron bowl in dramatic come from behind fashion. But it was hardly beating the hell outta somebody- 1 point.
I watched and it seemed to me more of the bammers just blowing the game-Ingram fumbling and the ball inexplicably tightwire bouncing all the way down the sidelines before finally going out of the end zone. And if I recall their other back dropped a simple little toss pass in the end zone that negated another touchdown. That game coulda gone either way and ended up going Auburn’s way. But I certainly wouldn’t call it a whipping. Matter of fact seemed like AU won an incredible number of tight games last year. But any champion has to have a little luck and good fortune to go 14-0.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
Since 1980, Alabama is THE most penalized university in the country. They’ve been on probation three times and are currently on probation until 2012.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
Thulsa
Point made…but, still, it seems to me the one thing the old man did right was to legitimate the offspring…I just think that it’s unfair to make a point of an individual’s state of conception/birth…curse the father all you want and you probably will have me in your corner…as Granddaddy taught me and I believe, “there are no b*stard children, only b*stard parents…”
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
It is of my distinguised opinion that WOW is an Auburn fan.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
WOW
I provided a link to those players just as you provided one. It’s there for you to see if you want to.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
“AU won the annual iron bowl in dramatic come from behind fashion. But it was hardly beating the hell outta somebody- 1 point. ”
No, but coming back from a 24 point deficit in Tuscaloser is quite an accomplishment.
“Matter of fact seemed like AU won an incredible number of tight games last year. But any champion has to have a little luck and good fortune to go 14-0.”
Yep, and Auburn won every single game. Auburn has gone undefeated more times in the last 40 years than ANY SEC team.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
“AGAIN: WHAT UNIVERSITY DID YOU ATTEND, AMVET?????????????”
He’ll get to that one right after he finishes crafting his response to the “do you favor or oppose socialism” question.
He’s all about the issues though.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
“I provided a link to those players just as you provided one. It’s there for you to see if you want to.”
And like I said, I didn’t see one single great player who plays in the NFL currently.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
“It is of my distinguised opinion that WOW is an Auburn fan.”
WAR DAMN EAGLE!
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
I’m sorry, but I could never be a fan of a football team who wears the color orange.
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Anybody seen Kamchak?
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Rich liberal tax dodgers
By SCOTT WONG & JOHN BRESNAHAN | 3/21/11 3:37 PM EDT Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo) failed to pay $287,273 in personal property taxes on a private airplane for the past four years
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Harry Callahan
I’m gonna assume that Vet didn’t attend a major university and therefore his remarks about Auburn football are laughable.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
“I’m sorry, but I could never be a fan of a football team who wears the color orange.”
And we care, why?
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
Joseph at 4:22,
I will fully agree with your post. I certainly don’t fault Obama for his father being worthless. Not his fault and as you said at least the man married his mother. My only point is I just don’t understand why Obama identifies with this loser and even writes a book in deference to the man who was completely absent from his life. He met him twice in his life I believe and the first time wasn’t till he was 8 years old I think.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
awesome………….. bipartisan consensus
Moderate Democrat Says No Debt Reduction? No Debt Ceiling Increase.
West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin vowed Monday to oppose any increase in the nation’s debt ceiling unless Congress also approves, in tandem, a debt and deficit reduction package, a combative stance from the moderate …
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
Bosch
Out of curiosity, what school do you pull for?
Harry Callahan
March 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
“I’m gonna assume that Vet didn’t attend a major university and therefore his remarks about Auburn football are laughable.”
Why should his remarks about Auburn football be any different from any of his other remarks?
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
sorry WOW, I meant George W
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Bosch
There’s a reason that the Coach of the Year award is the Paul “Bear” Bryant Award and not the Ralph “Shug” Jordan Award. One of those two coaches had a profound effect on college football.
Just sayin’
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
You know Doom, I’ve never read his books, but every time I hear Obama talk about his father, he doesn’t have a dreamy reverence about him, he usually says basically what you said, that he only met him a couple times and was completely absent from his life.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
“Why should his remarks about Auburn football be any different from any of his other remarks?”
Not sure, Harry. You’d have to ask him.
BADA BING
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Yes, Libyans fighting each other for their freedom. It is only right, their blood spilled, not ours. They will appreciate their freedom more, because they earned it. You can’t give some people freedom, they don’t know what it is.
C from Marietta
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
BLOGS = petty words from petty people. LOL
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Okay, I’ll say it…folks arguing the merits of a “university” based on its sports teams versus it Nobel Laureates in the Sciences and Humanities are the real reason this country is rapidly descending into a new Dark Ages and losing our edge in the real world marketplace of ideas…
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
“sorry WOW, I meant George W”
Cool, chuck. I mean, I don’t know how else to show that I am a die hard Auburn guy who hates everything about the U of Bama.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Got a friend big Alabama fan who has a simple rule of thumb for following football- hate any team that has orange in their uniform. In his case AU, Tennessee, Florida, and Miami, and recently Texas of course in the previous bcs title game.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
SoCo,
Bear was the Man….along with you too of course. He dripped college football.
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
BTW, appropriating someone’s blog name and posting derogotorily is low class and usually addressed by Jay, who gets to see the IP addresses. So whoever that was, can A) stop acting like a 3-year-old and B) Bite Me.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
“folks arguing the merits of a “university” based on its sports teams ”
No one based merits of a university off of its sports teams, josef.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action
A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGgPBYCe
Uh oh. Obama never had the right. He’s lost the middle moderate independents. And now he’s lost the liberals…. A man without supporters….. toast?
carlosgvv
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Looks like many of you enjoy watching semi-illiterate gorillas beat each other’s brains out each week in that mindless game called football. That goes a long way in explaning the intellectual level of your posts here.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.) “all strongly raised objections to the constitutionality of the president’s actions” during that call, said two Democratic lawmakers who took part.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGgjtf6z
chuck
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
WOW, I didn’t get to read all of the posts.
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Yeah josef!! True indeed.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
josef nix,
A common point of pride that AU people used to brag about was that AU had sent more astronauts into space than any other university. I’m not sure if that stat still holds true but it wouldn’t surprise me if it did. I know it was still a valid stat as of several years ago. Maybe WOW can verify it.
WOW
March 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
“hate any team that has orange in their uniform.”
Bama’s problem.
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Kucinich, who wanted to bring impeachment articles against both former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over Iraq — only to be blocked by his own leadership — asked why the U.S. missile strikes aren’t impeachable offenses.
Kucinich also questioned why Democratic leaders didn’t object when President Barack Obama told them of his plan for American participation in enforcing the Libyan no-fly zone during a White House Situation Room meeting on Friday, sources told POLITICO.
And liberals fumed that Congress hadn’t been formally consulted before the attack and expressed concern that it would lead to a third U.S. war in the Muslim world.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGguvGaC
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Doom @ 4:31,
I do know that the only rocket scientist I know, is an Auburn grad.
Thulsa Doom
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
WOW,
and if the stat that I mentioned in my previous post is true then its certainly a huge point of pride.
josef nix
March 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Thulsa
Now that we’re more or less on the same track here…I would posit that his “praise” was for the press value. I’ve had some serious questions about a man of his stature and the conditions in which his paternal family live…the price of one of his suits would lift his Grandmother and brother out of the third world poverty in which they live…that Aunt in public housing…maybe it’s just me and the way I was raised, but you take care of your own first…
AmVet
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
At this rate, the the plain janes will win another tainted crown in………..2063.
But their semi-literate alumni and drop (p)outs think they are winners!
War Dumb Eagle! Woo Hoo!
(Making fun of aw-burned-again is just the American thing to do…)
jm
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
So ironic. I agree…..
“They consulted the Arab League. They consulted the United Nations. They did not consult the United States Congress,” one Democrat lawmaker said of the White House. “They’re creating wreckage, and they can’t obviate that by saying there are no boots on the ground. … There aren’t boots on the ground; there are Tomahawks in the air.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HGh7VeaD
Bosch
March 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
carlosgvv,
And then there are us like me and Kamchak that watch the “real” football.