House GOP threatens utilities for not toeing climate-change line
“GOP lawmakers and industry lobbyists are talking about legislation aimed at reining in power companies after some utilities were seen as being less than friendly to their efforts to block Obama administration climate change rules.
Several House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans and industry lobbyists are pushing for a “Ratepayer Protection Act,” a measure that would limit utilities’ ability to pass along costs to consumers, according to lobbyists close to the committee.
The discussions come after POLITICO last week reported that several top utility CEOs weren’t thrilled with a draft bill from Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) to preempt the EPA on climate change.
CEOs from American Electric Power, NextEra Energy, Southern Co. and Dominion Resources said to varying degrees that they support allowing the EPA to proceed on a “reasonable” time frame on greenhouse gas rules for power plants, petroleum refiners and other major stationary sources.”
In other words, Republicans in Congress want to use the power of government to punish utilities for being insufficiently opposed to greenhouse gas regulation. Lovely use of limited government there, folks.
Oh, and I just have to ask: What provision of the Constitution empowers Congress to interfere in the decisions of state Public Service Commissions in their regulation of state-chartered utilities?
– Jay Bookman
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Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 10th, 2011
9:07 am
md
If I’m reading the linked piece above, the GOPers are mad because the CEO’s didn’t like their legislation that would preempt the EPA. The CEO’s were ok with the way the process was set up before the GOP legislation.
I could be reading it wrong. If the EPA is writing rules for something, they’re writing rules for legislation already in place. That’s how the process works. Congress doesn’t write the rules on how to implement legislation. That’s done at agency level.
Paul
March 10th, 2011
9:07 am
SoCom
No argument there. But, I was not commenting on EPA proposals, just the idea that agencies have no oversight and do whatever they want.
Doggone/GA
“but we CAN criticise them for claiming for 22 days that it was all about the BUDGET”
I thought from the start this got back to my favorite ‘it all reduces to this’ elements – money and power. Don’t have the cites, they’ve been in the news a lot lately, but education unions provide millions to Democratic races, a bare fraction to Republican. Was in the news this morning, over in NJ their education union gave nearly $7 million to defeat Christie. So yeah, I can see them wanting to neuter the political activities of public service unions when those unions donate millions to support one’s political opponents.
One doesn’t sell a planned action in those terms, however. One uses ideas closer to the pocketbook of the average voter.
Money and Power. It’s there again.
Hambone
March 10th, 2011
9:08 am
Way to go Wisconsin!!!!!!!!!!
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:08 am
“You guys sound like you want the Republicans to act like the Gestapo.”
Ah yes, another attempt to paint the GOP as Nazis. Hey, why don’t you throw out the race card, too?
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:09 am
If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Seriously.
Get Real (the original)
March 10th, 2011
9:09 am
Sorry Keepy…..Union Thugs Lose
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:09 am
WOW
March 10th, 2011
8:56 am
Yeah, whatever happend to the Repiblican mantra, “Jobs are our number one priority”?
md
March 10th, 2011
9:10 am
“but we CAN criticise them for claiming for 22 days that it was all about the BUDGET…and now, all of a sudden it isn’t. Which is EXACTLY what the Democratic legistlators have been claiming all along: it’s NOTHING TO DO with the budget.”
Wrong again………collective bargaining has a process that must be followed……if States need to make changes to the budget short term, they may not be able to do so because collective bargaining can drag out situations into the long term……….that inflexibility is why it was in the budget bill to start with.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:10 am
“Yeah, whatever happend to the Repiblican mantra, “Jobs are our number one priority”?”
Whatever happened to Obama’s “laserlike focus on jobs?”
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:12 am
“All government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”
FDR
Coal/oil/gas makes it interstate
March 10th, 2011
9:12 am
When fossil fuels are burned, neighboring states have pollution dumped on them in form of soot, greenhouse gases, etc. I think that qualifies as ‘interstate.’ Not that I agree for a minute with this ridiculous use of legislative power, but I think interstate can be made.
Another reason to build more nukes, I don’t think anyone will classify “steam” as a pollutant and claim that interstate connection.
Utilities also often sell electricity over state lines and receive fuel (coal, oil, etc.) from other states, so not to hard to establish and interstate (international) connection.
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:13 am
“Ah yes, another attempt to paint the GOP as Nazis”
Ah yes. Well in this case the shoe seems to fit. It doesn’r matter though. It will be overturned. What they did was totally illegal and the only thing it did was rally the Democratic Party back to the people.
Something that hasn’t been done in a while. Way to go GOP!
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:13 am
“Union Thugs Lose’
Yes they did! Looks like Obama’s core group of voters has lost a big battle.
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:14 am
WOW,
Job Bills are begun in the House. The Republicans run the House…need I go on?
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:15 am
“Well in this case the shoe seems to fit.”
Normal, that “shoe” is old and worn out.
“t will be overturned.’
When, how?
“What they did was totally illegal and the only thing it did was rally the Democratic Party back to the people.”
No, it was totally legal and the people who elected Scott Walker are proud.
“Way to go GOP!”
We’re smiling!
Call it like it is
March 10th, 2011
9:15 am
Interesting how one can look at an article and pick out what they wish. Jay could have just as easly open this blog by Stating “GOP” keeps utilities in check and protects consumers from higher rates. But of course that would mean the GOP did something good, and Jay wouldnt be able to sleep tonight knowing he had said something positive.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:15 am
“Job Bills are begun in the House. The Republicans run the House…need I go on?”
The Demos had the House since 2007. Need I go on?
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:16 am
Normal
Where are all the jobs Obama promised America back in 2008?
Stimulus failed. Big time.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:17 am
“One doesn’t sell a planned action in those terms, however”
They might as well have…since they’ve now admitted (more or less) that THAT is what it IS all about.
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:17 am
Do mother trees cry when their saplings leave out? Hey, I am just trying to fit in here. Isn’t the point of this blog to be as silly as possible?
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:17 am
GOP’s new mantra is Defund, defund, defund.
md
March 10th, 2011
9:17 am
“The Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the agency has authority to regulate greenhouse gases, but it wasn’t until the Obama administration took office that the effort began.
Initially, the administration’s principal focus was on passage of legislation to impose restrictions, but that attempt failed when the Senate balked at a bill Democrats pushed through the House in 2009. ”
THAT is what THIS is all about…………….
Keep up the good fight!
March 10th, 2011
9:17 am
Again, the Persians won the battle of Thermopylae after the 300 delayed and blocked the Persians while the Greeks organized their resistance, they lost the Marathon.
Dave R.
March 10th, 2011
9:17 am
“Don’t think that was Jay’s point. I think he was referring to Republican efforts to have every proposal cite the part of the Constitution that authorizes it. So, in this case, Republicans are proposing something and Jay is merely asking Republicans to follow their own rules and cite the appropriate Constitutional provision.”
Paul, I actually DO understand that. I just find it laughable that Jay is so quick to call out Constitutional issues now that they don’t meet HIS definition.
Inconsistency, thy name is Bookman!
Left wing management
March 10th, 2011
9:18 am
Wisconsin governor Scott Walker last night created the mother of all tea parties. It’s gonna make the previous Tea Party look like, well, a tea party.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:18 am
“If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Seriously.”
Seriously? Because evolution is a branching process, not a linear one.
Dave R.
March 10th, 2011
9:19 am
“If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?”
Based on many of the comments on this blog over the years, I’m not convinced we have evolved . . .
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:20 am
“Union Thugs Lose”
Yeah…because PEACEFUL demonstrations are just SO thuggish.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:20 am
“Wisconsin governor Scott Walker last night created the mother of all tea parties. It’s gonna make the previous Tea Party look like, well, a tea party.”
Should be fun to watch. I can’t wait to watch the teachers unions call in sick, lie about being sick, and hold up Nazi propaganda again.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:20 am
“Seriously? Because evolution is a branching process, not a linear one.”
So where are the branches?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 10th, 2011
9:20 am
,i.No argument there. But, I was not commenting on EPA proposals, just the idea that agencies have no oversight and do whatever they want.
There’s one agency that operates like that. Seems that the DOD couldn’t produce any audits to show their budgets and spending. Each agency is supposed to audit themselves on a regular basis to show how money is being spent. I think the DOD was the only agency that couldn’t produce audit paperwork. There may have been a few others, but that was the “big” agency that I remember.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:21 am
Doggone/GA
It’ll be okay. You still have your Hope and Change stickers leftover from 2008.
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:22 am
Walker will be recalled.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:22 am
“Walker will be recalled.”
No he won’t.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 10th, 2011
9:22 am
Screwed those slantys up….
Paul, ^^^^^ that was a response to your 9:07
Koch Classics
March 10th, 2011
9:22 am
Republicans don’t need the EPA or the FDA or any of those overbearing writers of regulations. Republicans will just sue, for limited damages thanks to tort reform, the dirty rotten fracking idiots that kill them.
The Thin Guy
March 10th, 2011
9:23 am
You libs can have my incandescent bulbs when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. JB is right. There is no mention of Global Luke Warming in the Constitution. Consequently, the federal government should not be involved in regulating CO2 emissions or any other aspect of this codswallop of voodoo science. It should be left up to the states. Eliminate the EPA along with NPR, CPB, PBS, and the Department of Education. If you are personally concerned about CO2 levels, hold your breath. Then you won’t be emitting CO2.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:23 am
“that inflexibility is why it was in the budget bill to start with.”
If that is so, and it has such an effect on the budget…then the WI Republican legislators just violated the rules of their body by passing JUST that part of the bill without a quorum.
Can’t have it both ways. Either it IS budget effecting – in which case they need a quorum, or it’s NOT. Which is it?
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:24 am
Sarah Palin. Rush Limbaugh. George W. Bush. BOO!!!!! somebody had to say it
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
March 10th, 2011
9:24 am
“Walker will be recalled.”
No he won’t.
Only time will reveal which theory is correct.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:25 am
“Eliminate the EPA along with NPR, CPB, PBS, and the Department of Education.”
The defunding has begun. It will be DE-FUN to watch.
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:25 am
If Walker is recalled would I need to deposit another quarter or is that a free call?
Koch Classics
March 10th, 2011
9:26 am
Having water that burns is actually a good fracking thing. It combines you energy needs with the goodness of water so it can be delivered to your home more cost effectively and that means more money for me.
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:27 am
@WOW: standing on your head again MOM?
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:27 am
“It’ll be okay. You still have your Hope and Change stickers leftover from 2008″
I didn’t support Obama, I supported Hillary Clinton
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:27 am
“I didn’t support Obama, I supported Hillary Clinton’
Yet you voted for Obama, yes?
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:28 am
“Yet you voted for Obama, yes?”
Voting is an anonymous process. I don’t ask who you voted for, I don’t tell people who I voted for. It’s none of your business.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:29 am
“It’s none of your business.”
Ok, so that’s a yes.
Koch Classics
March 10th, 2011
9:29 am
The controlled introduction of carcinogens into the food, air and water insure the long term viability of our health insurance and drug industries. Embrace the carcinogens for they guarantee jobs for your children, if they are amongst the survivors.
md
March 10th, 2011
9:30 am
“Can’t have it both ways. Either it IS budget effecting – in which case they need a quorum, or it’s NOT. Which is it?”
Because a quorum is only needed when it deals directly with SPENDING……….
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:30 am
Hope and Change bumper stickers are made from an OIL derivative. EVIL OIL=Arab oil=Obama muslim. See how it works.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:30 am
“Ok, so that’s a yes.”
It’s none of your business
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:31 am
“It’s none of your business”
That’s a peculiar answer there Normal considering libs often scream at conservatives for voting for Bush and assuming that everyone who is against Obama is a Bush voter.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:31 am
“Because a quorum is only needed when it deals directly with SPENDING”
So…let me get this straight, union bargaining affects the budget, but DOESN’T affect spending. Paying public employees is suddenly NOT spending. Do I have that right?
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:32 am
“libs often scream at conservatives for voting for Bush and assuming that everyone who is against Obama is a Bush voter.”
Often…not always
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:34 am
“Often…not always’
Which is why I wrote often, not always.
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:35 am
Oh horrors, my comment is under scrutiny and awaiting moderation, whatever that means.
md
March 10th, 2011
9:35 am
“So…let me get this straight, union bargaining affects the budget, but DOESN’T affect spending. Paying public employees is suddenly NOT spending. Do I have that right?”
Direct and indirect……those are the key words. Now you figure it out.
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:37 am
Those of you who are cheering the GOP and its seemingly total beat down of the Democratic party, on its way to being the only political system in the USA should stop and think for a while. The GOP has, historically, been for big business and big money, while the Democratic Party has, historically, been for the people and social issues.
Do you think that if the GOP should become the only political party that you will live in the garden on Eden? Big business will still make the money and they will do it without you. How many jobs have already been lost to automation? How do you see that future? What will happen to the unemployed with no social benefits? Will they be thrown in jail? Work houses? What do you see your future as with a political party that does not care one whit about you, your family, or your health…unless you are in the top one per cent of the money tree? Talk about freedom, yippee! With no job and no hope you will have all the freedom in the world to think about how you shot yourself in the foot.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:37 am
“Which is why I wrote often, not always.”
But since it was in reply to my “not your business” – you implied that *I* was one of them. I am not.
md
March 10th, 2011
9:37 am
“Paying public employees is suddenly NOT spending.”
And you know better than to do that…………WI has never said anything about removing CB in relation to pay……
Left wing management
March 10th, 2011
9:39 am
WOW:
America is not broke. It’s “awash in cash”, as one observer puts it.
There’s probably never been more of an ocean of cash in this country.
Now the question is, how can we get it to flow to the greater number of people.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:39 am
“Now you figure it out”
Every report I have been able to find says that a quorum is needed for budget bills, or bills with a fiscal impact. I have not yet seen any that claim it’s only needed for bills that affect spending.
Got any links that support you assertion?
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:39 am
Doggone/GA
So why did you respond to a question I asked Normal?
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:40 am
Today we celebrate the closing of Guantanamo Prison, right? No, no, no; that was just rhetoric. Well fine then, let’s celebrate the most transparent administration in history. Oh damn, more BS.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:41 am
“So why did you respond to a question I asked Normal?”
This is an open forum
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:41 am
“America is not broke. It’s “awash in cash”, as one observer puts it. ”
Ok, so you know more than real economists know?
“There’s probably never been more of an ocean of cash in this country. ‘
Ah, so you really don’t understand economics.
“Now the question is, how can we get it to flow to the greater number of people.”
It’s called jobs.
md
March 10th, 2011
9:41 am
“The GOP has, historically, been for big business and big money, while the Democratic Party has, historically, been for the people and social issues.”
Once upon a time, I used to believe that too……..now, I see both sleeping with big monied interests, and the democrats more enablers than helpers of the “people”.
Short term help is enabling….long term solutions is helping.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:41 am
“This is an open forum”
Divert, divert, divert…..
Get Real (the original)
March 10th, 2011
9:43 am
Normal and Keep
Go take a friggin cold shower and wake the “F” up; you guys are clearly in some parallel dimension that allows you to only see unicorns, fairies and magic bunnies….please provide rose colored glasses for everyone so we can experinece La La land too….
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:43 am
News Flash: same old letters but a new meaning for NPR; Normalcy Purging Radicals.
Del
March 10th, 2011
9:44 am
Liberal hypocrisy is truly amusing to watch…if the Democrats use procedural loop holes to pass legislation i.e. Obamacare, that’s perfectly alright, however, if the Republicans in Wisconsin utilize a procedural maneuver, why that’s illegal and an outrage. Eat your hearts out, the unions lost, the fleebaggers will have to come home and go back to work and the taxpayers win.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:44 am
WOW – BTW, here is the post from you that I replied to:
“It’s none of your business”
That’s a peculiar answer there Normal considering libs often scream at conservatives for voting for Bush and assuming that everyone who is against Obama is a Bush voter.
You used Normal’s name…but what you quoted is from ME…which is why I replied.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 10th, 2011
9:44 am
@Normal
You are so mistaken about the Republican party. Do you believe Democrats care about your family and your health?? Are you saying Republicans want to take away your social benefits, throw you in jail or a work house?? Haha, your out of touch with reality. Please explain what “benefits” are being taken away by Republicans? Put it this way, with all the Republican presidents we’ve had over this history of our country what “benefits” did you lose while they were in office? Don’t give me some phony explanation please give some real examples of what “benefits” you have lost while a Republican was in office??
Paul
March 10th, 2011
9:44 am
Doggone/GA
““Because a quorum is only needed when it deals directly with SPENDING”
So…let me get this straight, union bargaining affects the budget, but DOESN’T affect spending. Paying public employees is suddenly NOT spending. Do I have that right?”
This is one of those interpretations that hangs on a word. “Directly” in this case. Collective agreements AFFECTS the budget, as do many things. But in the particular case of this vote, so the reasoning goes, it wasn’t DIRECTLY about spending money.
So the committed held the procedural vote and it was game over.
Remember what I’ve said about liking source material? Perfect example, here. It’s just like my son had he vehicle totaled and he’s in resolution with the insurance company over valuation. Contractor told him their baseline adjustments were for one thing. I asked him to look at the valuation report – which defined baseline adjustments as something else, entirely. I mentioned the point to the insurance rep, who pretty much said…. nothing.
Got’em.
Policy enforces can have opinions. Just shouldn’t use them as representing what the rules say.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:45 am
“Divert”
I do not think that word means what you think it means
md
March 10th, 2011
9:45 am
“In Wisconsin, the quorum for non-spending bills is 50 percent, or 17 of 33 lawmakers. But spending bills require a supermajority quorum of 60 percent, or 20 legislators.”
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:45 am
Del
Obama has been the biggest problem the Dems have ever had. He’s pretty much destroyed the party of JFK in 3 years.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:46 am
“You used Normal’s name…but what you quoted is from ME…which is why I replied.’
You replied to a question I posed to Normal. See your 9:30 comment.
“I do not think that word means what you think it means”
More diversions from Doggone.
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:47 am
“it wasn’t DIRECTLY about spending money.”
I’m still trying to find proof that a quorum is only needed when a bill affects spending. So far, every report I’ve seen says it’s needed for budgetary or fiscal bills. Haven’t yet seen any that say “only for spending”
Road Scholar
March 10th, 2011
9:47 am
WOW: If you can take time away from your verbal diareha (from your number of posts), and look at your post, it was YOU who questioned the governments right to legislate healthcare. You do know there is a cure for your ailment, don’t you?
Get Real (the original)
March 10th, 2011
9:47 am
Doggone/GA
Yeah, the demonstrations were just a prayer like vigil…give me a break
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:48 am
“More diversions from Doggone”
It’s an open forum
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:48 am
Well Woodstock,
Let’s start with education…
big un
March 10th, 2011
9:49 am
Gotta go, my bus is here. Yep, it is the short one. (sorry to steal your line compassionate libs)
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:49 am
Road Scholar
You make me love the fact that liberalism is in decline.
Left wing management
March 10th, 2011
9:51 am
WOW:
Obama has been the biggest problem the Dems have ever had. He’s pretty much destroyed the party of JFK in 3 years.
Dunno. He’s simply followed the Clinton playbook more or less step by step, that playbook being to obsequiously bow before the Reagan revolution and thereby complete it. So I would say he’s simply continued along the path laid out by Clinton.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
March 10th, 2011
9:52 am
@Normal
I don’t recall my education being any different whether or not a Dem or Rep was in office, next please??
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:52 am
Gotta love the “tolerant” liberal media.
PTC Attacks ‘Good Christian B!tches’ Pilot
http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/ptc-attacks-good-christian-bitches-pilot/
AmVet
March 10th, 2011
9:53 am
Regarding Ms. Tucker’s protracted absence, the cesspool denizens and overt/covert racists that frequent her haunt must be jonesing really bad by now!
Why do leftists always favor higher costs for consumers? Redact to read, why do some bloggers always speak in trite bumper sticker speech?
The pollution in Atlanta does not come from Alabama or South Carolina or Tennessee or Florida.
In my best Harry Caray voice, “Holy Cow!”. Please tell me I did not read this correctly. I would suspect that even your average fourth grader understands that that statement is absolutely ludicrous. Unless there is some sort of right wing theory that airborne pollutants are not bound by the laws of physics and are somehow immune to the movements of air masses.
I know this patently obvious, but I’ve got bad news for you deniers; there is no turning back to the days of yore. Pretending problems don’t exist no longer flies with the vast and overwhelming percentage of informed people. Though doing nothing is popular with a certain very, very small subset of the world’s democracies, it is mortally wounded.
The denial swan song is being sung, but you don’t even hear it…
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:53 am
In Article VII of the WI constitution:
“Vote on fiscal bills; quorum. SECTION 8. On the passage
in either house of the legislature of any law which imposes, continues
or renews a tax, or creates a debt or charge, or makes, continues
or renews an appropriation of public or trust money, or
releases, discharges or commutes a claim or demand of the state,
the question shall be taken by yeas and nays, which shall be duly
entered on the journal; and three−fifths of all the members
elected to such house shall in all such cases be required to constitute
a quorum therein.”
md
March 10th, 2011
9:53 am
“Let’s start with education…”
OK, let’s do……how many teachers can we hire across the country with the 70 billion we give to the suits in the DOE?
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:53 am
My bumper sticker says “I think; Therefore I am Liberal.”
WOW’s says, “Vote Republican, it’s easier than thinking.”
That’s why he “thinks” liberalism is in decline.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:53 am
“So I would say he’s simply continued along the path laid out by Clinton.”
Actually, he’s continued Bush policies.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:54 am
“WOW’s says, “Vote Republican, it’s easier than thinking.”
Actually, I’m not dumb enough to put bumper stickers on my car seeing as how bumper stickers cause your vehicle to decline in value.
WOW
March 10th, 2011
9:55 am
“Regarding Ms. Tucker’s protracted absence, the cesspool denizens and overt/covert racists that frequent her haunt must be jonesing really bad by now!”
Hey VET! Glad to see you’ve joined in to throw out the race card when race hasn’t even been brought up.
Normal
March 10th, 2011
9:55 am
Woodstock,
It’s not the Democrats who are cutting education funding to the bone. Next, please.
Finn McCool
March 10th, 2011
9:55 am
Stay classy, San Diego.
“Watch the guns, they’ll get ya”
Doggone/GA
March 10th, 2011
9:56 am
“Yeah, the demonstrations were just a prayer like vigil”
What evidence do you have of “thuggish behavior” by the protestors? So far the only such thing I’ve seen reported was by the police – who tackeled a Dem legislator who was trying to enter the building to go to his office.
poison pen
March 10th, 2011
9:57 am
Jay, it’s probably the same provision that lets them install Obamacare and force us to pay for it.