House GOP threatens utilities for not toeing climate-change line

From Politico:

“GOP lawmakers and industry lobbyists are talking about legislation aimed at reining in power companies after some utilities were seen as being less than friendly to their efforts to block Obama administration climate change rules.

Several House Energy and Commerce Committee Republicans and industry lobbyists are pushing for a “Ratepayer Protection Act,” a measure that would limit utilities’ ability to pass along costs to consumers, according to lobbyists close to the committee.

The discussions come after POLITICO last week reported that several top utility CEOs weren’t thrilled with a draft bill from Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) to preempt the EPA on climate change.

CEOs from American Electric Power, NextEra Energy, Southern Co. and Dominion Resources said to varying degrees that they support allowing the EPA to proceed on a “reasonable” time frame on greenhouse gas rules for power plants, petroleum refiners and other major stationary sources.”

In other words, Republicans in Congress want to use the power of government to punish utilities for being insufficiently opposed to greenhouse gas regulation. Lovely use of limited government there, folks.

Oh, and I just have to ask: What provision of the Constitution empowers Congress to interfere in the decisions of state Public Service Commissions in their regulation of state-chartered utilities?

– Jay Bookman

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March 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

AmVet

Bill Clinton said of Obama, “a few years ago this guy would have been getting us coffee.”

Thulsa the Doom

March 10th, 2011
3:12 pm

“Under my cap and trade plan energy prices will necessarily skyrocket” – Candidate Barack Obama.

Huh? And that’s a good thing for poor and middle class people?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:14 pm

Thulsa the Doom

He won’t answer that question just like Taxpayer can’t find any evidence that I name called.

Thulsa the Doom

March 10th, 2011
3:14 pm

Leg Lamp,

Harry Reid agrees. He said Obama doesn’t speak the “typical Negro street dialect”. He speaks much better. No racism there huh?

TaxPayer

March 10th, 2011
3:14 pm

And grow up while I’m away, WOW. You name caller.

md

March 10th, 2011
3:15 pm

“If I work for Ace Hardware, when I get paid for my labor, that money is mine. It is no longer the property of Ace Hardware. Just the same, when I get paid for my job with the government, that money is now mine. It no longer belongs to the taxpayers.”

The difference is Ace hardware gets to choose to pay you………the taxpayers….not so much. Ace can make that choice instantly……….the taxpayers may be able to do the same in years…….

“The rate is something completely different and does not contribute pro or con to your first premise that public sector paychecks belongs to the taxpayers.”

No it’s not……………it’s pay…….either more of it, less of it, or consatant…..it’s still pay…..generated by the private sector.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:15 pm

“And grow up while I’m away, WOW. You name caller.”

I wonder how Jay will react when he comes back to find that you’ve name called and lied?

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March 10th, 2011
3:16 pm

AmVet

Al Sharpton: Sharpton also incited a 1995 protest of a Jewish owned store in Harlem where protesters used several anti-semetic slurs. During the protests, a Sharpton lieutenant called the store’s owner a “bloodsucker” and declared an intent to “loot the Jews.” A member of the protest mob later set fire to the store, resulting in the death of seven

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:16 pm

Dave R.
March 10th, 2011
2:44 pm

WRONG!! HCR is based on MassCare…..created by Mitt Romney – A REPUBLICAN!! The exchanges were a REPUBLICAN idea….Mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea, in fact, championed by John McCain!!!

In fact, the Wisconsin senators DID vote…..by not allowing a quorum to form, they voted their displeasure and opposition!!

Thulsa the Doom
March 10th, 2011
2:42 pm

“Physically taking over the capital building for weeks on end is not disorderly”….if allowed by Wisconsin LAW!! Remember: the Capitol is a PUBLIC building….and by law, it’s open to the PUBLIC!!

I’ve seen the protesters entering the Capitol…..from the WISCONSIN media! Fox’ slant is quite evident; I’d rather use a more impartial source!!

The preponderance of the protesters have been peaceful and law-abiding; the extremists will ALWAYS make themselves more visible…..it’s NOT evident of the union rank-and-file!!

No revision…….

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:16 pm

Didn’t Obama bow to the Saudis?

Saudi police open fire at protest

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/10/AR2011031003269.html

Dave R.

March 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

stands? Your 2:53?

Might make a valid point if they mentioned that those “low level” workers in government are covered under Civil Service in most, if not all cases. Been there, done that, and got the freakin’ t-shirt.

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March 10th, 2011
3:17 pm

AmVet

Andrew Cuomo

Cuomo stated that voting for his rival for the New York Democrat gubernatorial nomination Carl McCall, who is black, would create a “racial contract” between Black and Hispanic Democrats “and that can’t happen.” Upon initial reports, Cuomo denied the statement but later a tape recording surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of the race for governor

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March 10th, 2011
3:18 pm

AmVet

Billy McKinney

Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the same state. During his daughter’s failed 2002 reelection bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter’s difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of anti-semitic sentiments, stating “This is all about the Jews” and spelling out “J-E-W-S.” McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few weeks later.

stands for decibels

March 10th, 2011
3:18 pm

By the way, can someone explain to me what was racist about Reid noting that Obama didn’t have a “negro dialect?”

Old-fashioned; fairly clueless; the sort of thing you might expect to hear from an run-of-the-mill white guy in his late 60s, but not a Senator; worthy of a retraction/apology, sure–but racist?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:18 pm

HDB

I can tell that you’re pro-union which is fine and dandy but how do we solve the budget crisis? Oh, and don’t give me the “tax the rich” angle.

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March 10th, 2011
3:19 pm

AmVet

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father’s opposition to the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:19 pm

stands for decibels

True, but if a Republican said that he’d be raked through the coals by the left.

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:19 pm

One may assume the new majority will not be such compassionate overlords as the white majority has been. If this sort of drastic change were legally imposed on any group other than white Americans, it would be called genocide. Yet whites are called racists merely for mentioning the fact that current immigration law is intentionally designed to reduce their percentage in the population. ~A. Coulter

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:20 pm

BECK: This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seed hatred for white people or the white culture.

LIMBAUGH: Here you have a black president trying to destroy a white policeman. I think he is genuinely revved up about race. You know me. I think he is genuinely angry in his heart and has been his whole life.

MALKIN: I think he is a racial opportunist.

LIMBAUGH: Look, I had a dream. I had a dream that I was a slave building a sphinx in a desert that looked like Obama.

BECK: He has a problem. He has a – this guy is, I believe, a racist.

LIMBAUGH: And after that, they‘re going to go after Oreos. Might have to put that off until Obama is out of office, but they‘ll eventually go after Oreos.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:20 pm

AmVet

I’m not seeing anything “racist” about Ann Coulters comment. Care to explain?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:21 pm

AmVet @ 3:20 pm

None of those comments are racist comments. Do you know what the definition of racist is?

stands for decibels

March 10th, 2011
3:21 pm

if a Republican said that he’d be raked through the coals by the left.

More so than Reid? Ok, let’s assume you’re right. Would you care, especially?

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:22 pm

He’s not sure if it’s valid to compare President Obama with Stalin, he says, but he certainly is a racist and Glenn Beck was right in saying it, says Rupert Murdoch:

“But he did make a very racist comment. Ahhh… about, you know, blacks and whites and so on, and which he said in his campaign he would be completely above. And um, that was something which perhaps shouldn’t have been said about the President, but if you actually assess what he was talking about, he was right,”

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:22 pm

“And after that, they‘re going to go after Oreos. Might have to put that off until Obama is out of office, but they‘ll eventually go after Oreos.’

Totally taken out of context, Vet. I remember that show and he was talking about Michelle Obama’s war on sugar.

Dave R.

March 10th, 2011
3:22 pm

“HCR is based on MassCare…..created by Mitt Romney – A REPUBLICAN!! The exchanges were a REPUBLICAN idea….Mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea, in fact, championed by John McCain!!!”

HDB, you really need your meds adjusted.

1. HCR is based on MassCare, signed into law by Romney, who was a Republican governor in a state where he had veto-proof majorites of Democrat house reps and senators. THEY created the law, NOT Romney.

2. Exchanges are a Republican idea, however, they are not implemented in HCR as Republicans envisioned them. In fact, they are next to worthless as Dems envisioned them.

3. Mandates might have been championed AT ONE TIME by McCain, but not in 2008, as I stated previously.

Facts; they’re the other white meat.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:23 pm

“More so than Reid? Ok, let’s assume you’re right. Would you care, especially?”

Yeah, considering all I hear from the left is how evil and racist conservatives are.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

March 10th, 2011
3:23 pm

AmVet
March 10th, 2011
3:20 pm

How many of those are running for political office?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:24 pm

AmVet

You seem confused as to what “racism” means,

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:25 pm

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:18 pm
“HDB

I can tell that you’re pro-union which is fine and dandy but how do we solve the budget crisis? Oh, and don’t give me the “tax the rich” angle.”

Question that deserves an answer (and I AM pro-union!)!

1) Return taxation to the Clinton-era rates
2) Eliminate subsidies to oil/agribusiness
3) Close tax loopholes to corporations that take jobs offshore
4) Reduce the corporate tax rate to 17.5% once loopholes are closed
5) Link entitlements to education and job training to eliminate the “hammock” effect
6) Eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax on incomes less than $250K…

THAT’S a start!!

Dave R.

March 10th, 2011
3:25 pm

“In fact, the Wisconsin senators DID vote…..by not allowing a quorum to form, they voted their displeasure and opposition!!”

Kinda like voting for the war before you voted against the war, right Mr. Kerry?

You are seriously delusional today, HDB, even for you.

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March 10th, 2011
3:25 pm

AmVet

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent.”
-Senator Joe Biden

Mahatma Gandhi “ran a gas station down in Saint Louis.”
-Senator Hillary Clinton

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve’s ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve’s fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him.”
– Roger Clinton, the President’s brother on audiotape

“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
– Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

“Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey’s cars?”
– Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:25 pm

“How many of those are running for political office?”

Doesn’t matter since none of those comments are racist comments. He’s grasping for straws on this one.

Jm

March 10th, 2011
3:26 pm

Save the cowboy poetry festival!!!

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:26 pm

AmVet….NONE OF YOUR POSTS ARE RACIST…>WHAT ARE YOUR POINTS!

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:26 pm

“THAT’S a start!!”

What in God’s name do any of those have to do with Wisconsin teachers unions?????????????

stands for decibels

March 10th, 2011
3:26 pm

Roger Clinton, the President’s brother on audiotape

wow, reach much?

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March 10th, 2011
3:26 pm

AmVet

“Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They’d rather take pictures with black children than feed them.” — Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) “A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom.” — Spike Lee

“He’s married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn’t want to be black.”
– California State Senator Diane Watson’s on Ward Connerly’s interracial marriage

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:27 pm

“2) Eliminate subsidies to oil/agribusiness’

Since when are teachers in the oil industry?

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:27 pm

“The type of people I deal with will kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC.” Fox News contributor Mark Fuhrman

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March 10th, 2011
3:28 pm

AmVet

On Whites

“I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health.”

– Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002

“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” — Mary Frances Berry, Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

(I) “will not let the white boys win in this election.”
– Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s Campaign Manager on the 2000 election

“The old white boys got taken fair and square.” — San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election

“There are white n*ggers. I’ve seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time.” — Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the “conscience of the Senate” in March of 2001

“The Medicaid system must have been developed by a white male slave owner. It pays for you to be pregnant and have a baby, but it won’t pay for much family planning.” — Jocelyn Elders

The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years.” — Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002, City College audience in New York

“There’s no great, white bigot; there’s just about 200 million little white bigots out there.” — USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux

“We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders.” — Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992

“White folks was in caves while we was building empires… We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” — Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in “Democrats Do the Dumbest Things

“The white race is the cancer of human history.” — Susan Sontag

“Reparations are a really good way for white people to admit they’re wrong.” — Zack Webb, University Of Kentucky NAACP

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:28 pm

“The type of people I deal with will kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC.” Fox News contributor Mark Fuhrman?

mmmmmmmmmmmm, now I’m hungry. Thanks a lot, Vet.

Linda

March 10th, 2011
3:28 pm

I’ve already mentioned part of Obama’s plan to reverse global warming. I explained in my comment @ 2:27 that he plans to reduce CO2 emissions levels from 2005 by 83%, which will take us back to the year 1875.
Another part of Obama’s plan came from his energy secretary, Sr. Steven Chu, who said in ‘08, “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”
What a dream come true! Folks in Great Britain were paying $8.06 on 3/4. Just another $3.50 to $4.00 per gallon!

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:28 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”…..

FIST BUMP, BABY!!!!!!!!!

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:29 pm

Leg Lamp…..AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!

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March 10th, 2011
3:29 pm

AmVet

Blagojevich says: “I’m blacker than Barack Obama. I shined shoes. I grew up in a five-room apartment. My father had a little Laundromat in a black community not far from where he lived. I saw it all growing up.”

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 10th, 2011
3:29 pm

The difference is Ace hardware gets to choose to pay you………the taxpayers….not so much. Ace can make that choice instantly……….the taxpayers may be able to do the same in years…….

The taxpayers get the same choice to pay me and others. If you don’t want fire protection, elect leaders who will do away with the fire department. If you don’t want police protection, elect leaders to do away with the police department. As you always say, it’s about choice. We choose to have those services because we choose to have a “safe” society as opposed to living like the old wild west.

No it’s not……………it’s pay…….either more of it, less of it, or consatant…..it’s still pay…..generated by the private sector.

If the government had never created “money”, the private sector would not be able to generate it. We would all be paying each other by chickens and/or cows. Once that labor is paid for, whether it’s money or something else, the person who paid for that labor can not turn around and say that the “money” still belongs to them.

What you’re suggesting is that public sector employees are slaves. They’re paid by the taxpayer, but they don’t even own the money they earn thru their labor. They don’t own their clothes, homes, cars, groceries, or anything else they paid for with their pay. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t see how someone can lay claim to money that’s paid to someone else for their labor. If that’s the case, taxpayers own corporate profits too, and not just the shareholders. Taxpayers pay for the products that helped earn those profits, right?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:29 pm

AmVet

You and I really need to grab a beer sometime. I’m sure we’d have some fun stories to talk about.

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:30 pm

”I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.” ~Trent Lott

stands for decibels

March 10th, 2011
3:30 pm

Another part of Obama’s plan came from his energy secretary, Sr. Steven Chu, who said in ‘08, “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

I’m sure that’s totally not out of context or anything.

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:30 pm

AmVet….Trent was 100000% correct.

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:30 pm

Dave R.
March 10th, 2011
3:22 pm

Note — you just ADMITTED that exchanges and mandates were REPUBLICAN ideas….you can’t say that their ideas weren’t implemented into HCR…..

AS for Romney and MassCare: from wikipedia…………

“Romney was at the forefront of a movement to bring near-universal health insurance coverage to the state, after a business executive told him at the start of his term that doing so would be the best way he could help people[90][91] and after the federal government, due to the rules of Medicaid funding, threatened to cut $385 million in those payments to Massachusetts if the state did not reduce the number of uninsured recipients of health care services.[90][13][92] Despite not having campaigned on the idea of universal health insurance,[93] Romney decided that because people without insurance still received expensive health care, the money spent by the state for such care could be better used to subsidize insurance for the poor.

After positing that any measure adopted not raise taxes and not resemble the previous decade’s failed “Hillarycare” proposal, Romney formed a team of consultants from different political backgrounds that beginning in late 1994 came up with a set of innovative proposals more ambitious than an incremental one from the Massachusetts Senate and more acceptable to him than one from the Massachusetts House of Representatives that incorporated a new payroll tax.[90][13][92] In particular, Romney successfully pushed for incorporating an individual mandate at the state level.[4] Past rival Ted Kennedy, who had made universal heath coverage his life’s work and who over time developed a warm relationship with Romney,[94] gave Romney’s plan a positive reception, which encouraged Democratic legislators to work with it.[90][92] The effort eventually gained the support of all major stakeholders within the state, and Romney helped break a logjam between rival Democratic leaders in the legislature.”

Reality — what a concept!!

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:31 pm

”I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.” ~Trent Lott”

Big time reach, Vet.

Thulsa the Doom

March 10th, 2011
3:31 pm

“Physically taking over the capital building for weeks on end is not disorderly”….if allowed by Wisconsin LAW!! Remember: the Capitol is a PUBLIC building….and by law, it’s open to the PUBLIC!!”-HDB,

Yes. The capital building is a public bldg. But it is not there to be taken over and day and night by an unruly mob. Surely you can understand that is not intent and purpose of this public building. As for your view that Fox is slanted I can say the same thing about the whole plethora of left wing TV-CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, all 6 of them against Fox the lone conservative show. I prefer to think that Fox simply gives a perspective that the other 6 refuse to give.

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:31 pm

Last week, Bob Jones University issued a public apology for its racist past. When I attended the Protestant fundamentalist college in the mid-1970s, the institution was still struggling to overcome the blatant racism for which it had become famous. While I was a student, the first black man was admitted. He was an older married man who lived off-campus, and the unspoken suspicion was that as such, he was therefore not a danger to the white girls on campus.

Although the ban on black students had just been lifted, there was still a rule against interracial dating. Not only were African-American students not allowed to date whites, but Asian and dark-skinned students from Micronesia were also only allowed to date girls of their own race.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:32 pm

HDB

So you’re ok with death threats made by union members? You’re ok with Michael Moore calling for unions to declare war?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:32 pm

“Last week, Bob Jones University issued a public apology for its racist past.”

Nuff said, Vet.

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:33 pm

AmVet….do you really feel that racism is one sided? Honestly?

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March 10th, 2011
3:34 pm

AmVet

“White folks was in caves while we was building empires… We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”
- Rev. Al Sharpton

“The white race is the cancer of human history.”
- Susan Sontag

These negros, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they’ve never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness.
- LBJ

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:35 pm

“AmVet….do you really feel that racism is one sided? Honestly?”

I’m beginning to think so.

Can we please shift back to a better topic?

Officer Down

March 10th, 2011
3:35 pm

“Since the first known line-of-duty death in 1792, nearly 19,000 U.S. law enforcement officers have made the ultimate sacrifice.”

Beavis

March 10th, 2011
3:35 pm

It is very sad that liberals bash Fox but they think that the dailykos.com is real news….

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:36 pm

“It is very sad that liberals bash Fox but they think that the dailykos.com is real news….”

It’s also comical.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

March 10th, 2011
3:36 pm

WOW:

Bob Jones University may have but Lincoln never did.

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:36 pm

Doug Hanks withdrew from seeking the Republican Party nomination for one of four seats on the city council of Charlotte, North Carolina in August 2005 after it was revealed that he had posted on Stormfront. Hanks, a writer and actor from Connecticut, had posted more than 4,000 comments over the previous three years, including one in which he wrote, “Let’s treat all the Blacks like the rabid beasts they are.”

Doggone/GA

March 10th, 2011
3:36 pm

Here’s my pet peeve for today: “Obama: Bullying unacceptable”

I am TIRED of “unacceptable”!!! Whatever happened to words like DESCPICABLE and HORRIBLE?

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:37 pm

Thulsa the Doom
March 10th, 2011
3:31 pm

That’s why I went to the WISCONSIN media to see things from THEIR perspective!! Fox’ perspective generates too much animus…..when I hear of something happening, I look at sources CLOSEST to the event…..

WOW
March 10th, 2011
3:27 pm

I was looking at the federal perspective; in order to close the budget on the state level, these things need to be considered:

1) Fuel tax increase to address infrastructure
2) 24/7/365 alcohol sales
3) Eliminate sales taxes on food/medicines
4) Increase the base tax rate by 3%
5) Freeze spending for two years
6) Eliminate duplication of services
7) Run a cost/benefit analysis to determine what can be reduced/eliminated/streamlined…….

It’s a beginning…….

Thulsa the Doom

March 10th, 2011
3:38 pm

AmVet,

What point were you trying to make with your 3:30 post regarding quotes from Malkin, Rush, Beck, etc. They are all voicing their opinion that they think Obama himself is racist or certainly has racial views. Nothing wrong with that considering the evidence.

There is good, rational reason to believe so. This is a man who refuses to prosecute the black panthers for obvious voter intimidation, for 20 years he attended a church run by an anti-white hate mongering bigot, and he automatically stated that the white police officer “acted stupidly” without knowing the full story of what actually happened. Is Obama a little bigoted? Yeah. I think he is based on the evidence.

Doggone/GA

March 10th, 2011
3:38 pm

“they think that the dailykos.com is real news….”

What’s “dailykos.com?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:38 pm

“I was looking at the federal perspective; in order to close the budget on the state level, these things need to be considered:”

Hmmmm, I agree with you on a couple of things. Now what about teachers unions in WI?

Linda

March 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

In 6/08, when gas prices in the US were the highest in history (until now), Obama was interviewed by CNBC John Harwood. When he asked Obama if high gas prices would help us, Obama answered that he would have preferred a more GRADUAL adjustment…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1WlV7vafk&feature=channel_video_title

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

“Bob Jones University may have but Lincoln never did.’

No, and Lincoln was shot by an actor. Why do libs hate America?

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

AmVet…how about this since you can not seem to get off of the topic. How about instead of pointing the racism finger and painting with a broad stroke…..work with the black community and black youth to make a better future for you and them.

Your conversation is old, dumb and useless.

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

Event the writers for The Simpsons know the dirty little secret!

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/221265/SIMPSONSFOXNEWS.jpg

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March 10th, 2011
3:40 pm

WOW:

When I was a kid back in the 50’s, we went to a big church. Every once in awhile a missionary to Africa that we provided total financial support for would come home on furlough and often bring one of the African pastor’s he had trained back with him. They would both preach and a special offering would be taken and everyone would be in good spirits.

But …………. black Americans were not allowed.

I always found that even as a kid a little strange. It’s good that times have changed for we will be in eternnity for a long time together ………………… :o )

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:40 pm

Thulsa the Doom

He’s reaching and doesn’t even realize it. I think he’s copying and pasting garbage from Media Spatters.

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:41 pm

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:32 pm
“HDB: So you’re ok with death threats made by union members? You’re ok with Michael Moore calling for unions to declare war?”

Simple answer: NO!! That’s an extremist element that I rail against!! If “war” is taken in the rhetorical sense, that’s not an issue….but in a physical sense…..NO!!

In many aspects, we ARE at war within the nation…but the war is based of the differential of ideas and philosophies…..not the physical aspect!! In that aspect, I have no qualms about the word…but IN THAT ASPECT…not the PHYSICAL one!! Can’t you see the difference???

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:41 pm

“Event the writers for The Simpsons know the dirty little secret!’

I’m sure their corporate masters won’t like that one bit seeing as they write Matt Groening a paycheck.

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:41 pm

HAHAHAHAHA NOW AMVET IS QUOTING THE SIMPSONS!!!! OMG WHAT A COMPLETE CLOWN!

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:42 pm

“I always found that even as a kid a little strange.”

Yeah, you can thank democrats like George Wallace for that.

Thulsa the Doom

March 10th, 2011
3:42 pm

HDB,

You should broaden your horizons a little bit instead of just listening to one view all the time. Personally I like Fox but I will also watch CNN to get a liberal perspective as well as network news sometimes and I’ll watch C-span. Hell I even watch Tavis Smiley sometimes because he has some interesting perspectives.

In the Michael Vick dog fighting thing there were obvious racial differences in the way whites and blacks saw this whole thing and Tavis put the differences in perspective better than anybody else out there. Had everyone watched his show on the subject we all would have had a better understanding of things.

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:42 pm

AmVet….you never answered my question….do you feel Herman Cain is racist towards blacks?

AmVet

March 10th, 2011
3:43 pm

Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Ron Paul’s newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. (“What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!” one newsletter complained in 1990. “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”) In the early 1990s, a newsletter attacked the “X-Rated Martin Luther King” as a “world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” “seduced underage girls and boys,” and “made a pass at” fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy. One newsletter ridiculed black activists who wanted to rename New York City after King, suggesting that “Welfaria,” “Zooville,” “Rapetown,” “Dirtburg,” and “Lazyopolis” were better alternatives. The same year, King was described as “a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration.”

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:43 pm

“Event the writers for The Simpsons know the dirty little secret!’

That’s not even a real episode, Vet. Ever heard of Photoshop?

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:43 pm

Martin Luther King Jr.

He was a Republican.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:44 pm

“AmVet….you never answered my question….do you feel Herman Cain is racist towards blacks?”

And he won’t. He’s too busy searching the lib websites for words to take out of context.

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:45 pm

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:39 pm

“Why do libs hate America?”

They DON’T! Their perspective is different and many see the PURELY conservative perspective as antithetical to what this nation is about!! If you ask me (my opinion alone!), my liberalism is based on this tenet: “some see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’; I see things as they should be and ask ‘Why NOT?’”

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:45 pm

AmVet

I don’t know you at all but it really sounds like you don’t like white people.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:46 pm

HDB

So why do I consistently hear about how evil America is from the left?

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:47 pm

WOW…..AmVet should love white people!

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:47 pm

“AmVet should love white people!”

No comment.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 10th, 2011
3:48 pm

I don’t know you at all but it really sounds like you don’t like white people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6GuEswXOXo&NR=1

George W

March 10th, 2011
3:48 pm

Dave R.

March 10th, 2011
3:51 pm

HDB, let’s just say that “wiki” doesn’t know squat about how the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is run.

As opposed to a native of that state.

And an “idea” if implemented improperly is not supportable. Nor is an idea proposed years ago the same when conditions and beliefs change. The ONLY thing cast in stone, is stone. The ability of libs to take one sentence said one time, on one occasion (regardless of the context or situation), and turn it into, “See they supported it, too!” is simply mind-boggling.

And doesn’t make the statement true in 2008, 2009, or 2010.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

March 10th, 2011
3:51 pm

AmVet

George Bush don’t like black people. Kanye West

HDB

March 10th, 2011
3:52 pm

Thulsa the Doom
March 10th, 2011
3:42 pm

I DO!! Note – I go to the news sources CLOSEST to the event rather that just get news from the major media outlets!! It’s not just a diversification of styles…but of regions and viewpoints! I like C-SPAN, BBC, and local news first…then CNN INTERNATIONAL!!

WOW
March 10th, 2011
3:43 pm
Martin Luther King Jr. – He was a Republican.

Originally, he was…but remember, it was a DEMOCRAT (JFK) that freeded him from the Birmingham Jail!! King was changing political alliances when he was assassinated in Memphis!!

To answer your question about Herman Cain….I believe he’s more AMBIVALENT rather than racist! Cain is of the ilk “I got mine, don’t care if you get yours!” He won’t relate to the issues that permeate in the black community because he feels he’s ABOVE it…..but I challenge him to run…and see what the rank-and-file Republicans say about him!! Won’t be pretty!! Look at how they talked about Michael Steele!!!

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March 10th, 2011
3:53 pm

A liberal is someone who doesn’t stand for anything therefore they will fall for everything.

md

March 10th, 2011
3:54 pm

“The taxpayers get the same choice to pay me and others. If you don’t want fire protection, elect leaders who will do away with the fire department. If you don’t want police protection, elect leaders to do away with the police department. As you always say, it’s about choice. We choose to have those services because we choose to have a “safe” society as opposed to living like the old wild west.”

Now you are reaching into the old take it to the extreme debate………nobody is advocating to not need services…….the taxpayers just want a little shared sacrifice in relation to benefits.

And I’m not suggesting anything per se, just pointing out how it works………ALL of gov’t is funded by the taxpayer…..and the private sector must generate enough revenue to pay the salaries of the private sector worker and a majority of the public sector worker……that’s just the way it is. Nothing against those working in the public sector…………

For argument sake, let’s say you, as a public employee pays 20k in taxes, yet your salary is 60k….the private sector must generate that other 40k………..

If the folks in the private sector no longer have pensions……do you think they like the idea of paying for yours when they don’t have one themselves??

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March 10th, 2011
3:54 pm

WOW:

According to his neice, MLK, Jr. was also pro-life.

WOW

March 10th, 2011
3:54 pm

“To answer your question about Herman Cain’

I didn’t ask you a question about Cain.

“Cain is of the ilk “I got mine, don’t care if you get yours!”

That’s the Democrat slogan.

Pogo

March 10th, 2011
3:55 pm

After looking at the pictures coming out of Wisconsin it looks like 90% of the protestors are punk- @$$ college students who have probably never worked a day in their life.