Tea Party voters, by almost 2-1, oppose Social Security cuts

From the Wall Street Journal:

WASHINGTON— Less than a quarter of Americans support making significant cuts to Social Security or Medicare to tackle the country’s mounting deficit, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, illustrating the challenge facing lawmakers who want voter buy-in to alter entitlement programs.

In the poll, Americans across all age groups and ideologies said by large margins that it was “unacceptable” to make significant cuts in entitlement programs in order to reduce the federal deficit. Even tea party supporters, by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, declared significant cuts to Social Security “unacceptable.”

A couple of other interesting data points in the guts of the poll:

Which comes closer to your point of view?

Statement A: Government should do more to solve problems and meet the needs of people.
Statement B. Government is doing too many things better left to business and individuals.

Statement A: 51 percent.
Statement B: 46 percent.

Would the following steps be acceptable or unacceptable as a means of reducing the federal deficit?

A surtax on millionaires:

Acceptable: 81 percent
Unacceptable: 17 percent

Phasing out Bush tax cuts for families making $250,000 or more:

Acceptable: 68 percent
Unacceptable: 19 percent

Significantly cutting Medicaid:

Acceptable: 34 percent
Unacceptable: 65 percent

Significantly cutting Medicare:

Acceptable: 23 percent
Unacceptable: 76 percent

Significantly cutting K-12 education:
Acceptable: 22 percent
Unacceptable: 77 percent

– Jay Bookman

674 comments Add your comment

Adam

March 3rd, 2011
1:05 pm

Do we have demographics on the poll participants?

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2011
1:06 pm

“Do we have demographics on the poll participants?”

Now Adam, you KNOW that’s it’s only DEMOCRATS who read the WSJ!

Adam

March 3rd, 2011
1:07 pm

My guess: The Tea Party voters are largely baby boomers about to try and collect on Social Security. But wait, didn’t the Tea Party rail against entitlement spending? Isn’t everyone who accepts any government money somehow bad?

Jay

March 3rd, 2011
1:09 pm

Adam, click on the “guts of the poll” link.

Jack

March 3rd, 2011
1:10 pm

TheSocial Security fund wouldn’t be in trouble if payments were stopped to individuals who have never paid into the fund.

TaxPayer

March 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Well, it looks like that poll provides the Republican Party with the justification they’ve been looking for to eliminate Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid whilst cutting taxes more for the rich and implementing a VAT, etc.

Finn McCool

March 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Did you expect more from Tea Partiers? Not a whole lot of rational thinking in that movement – more of a “thinking by gut instinct”. I mean many of them did vote for W (Mr. Gut instinct) twice.

Why is Beck and Hannity so popular with this group? Lots of reliance on “gut instinct”.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

“TheSocial Security fund wouldn’t be in trouble”

The SS fund isn’t in trouble. It’s fully funded through 2037, and it only needs minor “tweaks” to continue having it fully funded.

USinUK

March 3rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Adam – fercryingoutloud … it’s the WSJ … you do know who owns the WSJ, don’t you???

here’s a hint: his name rhymes with SCHMURDOCH.

USinUK

March 3rd, 2011
1:14 pm

meanwhile, one would hope that this poll would answer the musical question “exactly WHO is the mainstream” once and for all …

… but, we know how these guys HATE polls that conflict with their deeply. held. beliefs.

jt

March 3rd, 2011
1:15 pm

These polls, if truly indicative of American opinions, are a perfect example of what “government schools” produce.

The free-thinkers and believers of personal liberty are gone or going. Enjoy yall’s little collective party and Chevy volts. Hope it turns out better than all others in history.

Ron Paul in 2012 or Chile.

Jay

March 3rd, 2011
1:16 pm

Chile has a national health care system, jt.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 3rd, 2011
1:17 pm

Uh oh, that “clear” message from November I keep hearing about……maybe no so clear. Maybe the Republicans are hearing things that are not true…just as they often speak things that are not true.

Finn McCool

March 3rd, 2011
1:17 pm

A surtax on millionaires:

Acceptable: 81 percent
Unacceptable: 17 percent

Phasing out Bush tax cuts for families making $250,000 or more:

Acceptable: 68 percent
Unacceptable: 19 percent

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

this is what Maddow was discussing last night. When Democrats stop chasing the money (trying to be like Republicans) and do good for everyday people, they do good in the voting booths. Otherwise, the do lousy in the voting booth.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:17 pm

“Significantly cutting Medicaid:

Acceptable: 34 percent
Unacceptable: 65 percent

Significantly cutting Medicare:

Acceptable: 23 percent
Unacceptable: 76 percent

Significantly cutting K-12 education:
Acceptable: 22 percent
Unacceptable: 77 percent”

**face palm – smacks self on forehead**

Adam

March 3rd, 2011
1:18 pm

USinUK: But it’s LIBERALLLLLLLLL

Surely it is! Because it disagrees with me and also thinks that Obama was born in this country…

TaxPayer

March 3rd, 2011
1:18 pm

You might want to try some place like Afghanistan instead, jt. I don’t think they have any socialist agenda going so you’ll have all the freedom you can stand, tax-free.

Where's My Party?

March 3rd, 2011
1:22 pm

The Entitlement States of America. How extremely, extremely sad.

Normal

March 3rd, 2011
1:23 pm

PeaDawg,
Looks like you’re a minority! ;)

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:24 pm

Well, then, said 2/3rds of Tea Partiers don’t understand the magnitude of the fiscal problem facing this nation. The Democrats should be recruiting them heavily. They’ll fit right in.

God Bless America.....and no one else

March 3rd, 2011
1:24 pm

TaxPayer, obviously you haven’t been to Afghanistan……

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Points out the need for some serious education work from our leadership. Oh wait, we don’t have any, cause Obama is too busy playing political prostitute.

One Nation Under educated

March 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Well, if it isn’t on substantive issues, then what pray tell is it that sends the wingnuts into Obama derangement? (he asked naively)

AmVet

March 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

AH HAH, just as I suspected!

The results are massively skewed because only 77% of the respondents were white! (We need George W to help rectify this miscarriage of polling justice!)

And I’m with Where’s My Party? on this one.

Do something about the millionaire/billionaire entitlement mentality…

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Where’s My Party? 1:22- second that

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Peadawg is going to give himself serious brain damage if he keeps slapping his head….especially when the republican state legislature imposes more taxes (the tax on food is the leader on the return list).

Finn McCool

March 3rd, 2011
1:25 pm

jt why no like the Volt? It’s electric? runaway! OMG! Scary stuff.

People had a similar reaction to indoor plumbing when first introduced.

“You can have your Quilted Northern and stuff, I like my pine board, I’m a Real American”

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:26 pm

When you have 150 million people dependent on the government, you know there’s a problem.

The US has entered the “decline” phase. Thanks libs.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:26 pm

“The Entitlement States of America” – No kidding…..

N-GA

March 3rd, 2011
1:26 pm

Duh……What’s still scary are the 1/3 of Teabaggers who want to cut Social Security. Those idiots don’t even have any idea what that means!

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:27 pm

Jay 1:16 – Chile also has private savings accounts instead of a system like Social Security.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:28 pm

LOL @ Keep @ 1:25!!!

AmVet

March 3rd, 2011
1:29 pm

We’re in one helluva financial situation.

As a nation, we can no longer afford to give entitlements to the middle and lower classes.

But we absolutely MUST keep them for the super-rich…(Just trying to think like a Republican.)

jt

March 3rd, 2011
1:29 pm

Jay-
There is also a thing called “choice” in Chile.

“Health care in Chile is very advanced and state of the art on the high end. The national health care system provides basic medical service and coverage to all levels of society. Quality is however better at private clinics and hospitals around Chile, though even the most expensive private clinics are relatively affordable (at least by U.S. standards). ”

Also, in Chile, the Health Nazi/Lawyers do not permeate EVERY sector of society.
And the pleasure police are routinely “tarred and feathered”.

“Many drugs that require a prescription in the USA, such as insulin, a prescription is not needed in Chile. If you can convey what you need to the pharmacist, then they will get it for you. ”

Along with the Ron Paul or Chilean choices, there IS another choice that is gaining great traction.

Nullification …baby.

Know it, live it, …LOVE IT………………Its coming.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:29 pm

FYI, I accept the results of the poll. But as has been noticed by everyone in the polling industry, land line polls miss a huge segment of the population now. Namely, younger people. Don’t know their tilt, but if you get all senior citizens (land line users and responders), then you’re missing the real cross section of America. But I’m no poll expert. If these polls are correct, then we’re really screwed until we get a real leader or until after we go bankrupt.

TaxPayer

March 3rd, 2011
1:30 pm

The US has entered the “decline” phase. Thanks libs.

That’s right. If people would just die in their thirties, we wouldn’t have these problems. Down with Dems and their science agenda.

jt

March 3rd, 2011
1:31 pm

TaxPayer

You are correct on Freedom in Aphgan…………….pre-U.S. involvement.

TrickleDownStupid

March 3rd, 2011
1:31 pm

Jack – are you suggesting we not provide funds to widows(home makers) and children who receive survivor benefits? Otherwise, who else is collecting SS?

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:31 pm

Off topic, but just had to post (from ajc article today):

Among representatives that removed their names were Jon Burns of Newington, Penny Houston of Nashville, Tom McCall of Elberton, Ann Purcell of Rincon and Ron Stephens of Savannah. All are Republicans.

“It’s just much more in depth than I originally anticipated,” Stephens said of dropping his support for a measure inspired by the “birther” movement, which believes President Barack Obama was not born in the United States.

Translation: Someone with sense pointed out to me how stupid this is and that probably not all of us could produce our own long form birth certificate, or that it would also exclude many other people from being on the ballot in the future, and instead of farting around with stupid legislation like this, many people emailed me and told me to quit goofing around and get back to creating jobs and expanding our economy in the State. Sorry, my bad.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:31 pm

Jay. Same poll. Teachers poll positive 73%. And… Teacher’s Unions…. 47%. See the difference? The American people do….. (or some subset of the American People)

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:31 pm

As a nation, we can no longer afford to give entitlements to ANYBODY (fixed your typo, AmVet). PERIOD! I just wish politicians and voters understood this…

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:32 pm

God bless America. She needs it.

jt

March 3rd, 2011
1:33 pm

Finn McCool

Actually..more like a corn cob.

I’m out.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:34 pm

More than 60% of poll respondents supported reducing Social Security and Medicare payments to wealthier Americans. And more than half favored bumping the retirement age to 69 by 2075. The age to receive full benefits is 66 now and is scheduled to rise to 67 in 2027.

From the article accompanying the poll.

AmVet

March 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

josef, from downstairs, Dyslexics of the World, Untie!

And pay no attention to that warm wet feeling on the back of your head folks, it’s just the trickle down.

OK, off to keep the plutocrats comfy!

Later…

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

“But wait, didn’t the Tea Party rail against entitlement spending?”

Adam, Adam, Adam, didn’t you get the memo? The Tea Party definition of entitlement spending is ONLY those losers on welfare.

RLJ

March 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

When the question is phrased as significant cuts in Social Security and Medicaid, one would assume cuts for those already receiving such benefits. Of course, few support this. However, ask specifically about raising the retirement age or income based benefits or other measures that will be affect future recipients, and I think the results will be different.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:37 pm

Keep,

” Maybe the Republicans are hearing things”

Those little voices in their heads can be quite influential — and they ride the unicorns in their back yards too, so I’ve heard.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:37 pm

“Mr. McInturff called the poll “a huge flashing yellow sign for Republicans on how much preparation will be needed if they propose to change Social Security and Medicare.”"

Well, I guess we should just put this off until 2020 or so, or, said a different way, until after we’re bankrupt. Then we can fix it.

Jay, what you may or may not realize, is, this problem is going to fix itself one way or the other. Less pain now, or more pain later….

Adam

March 3rd, 2011
1:37 pm

The Mexican President just thanked Obama for his leadership. CLEARLY this means he’s a liberal and not to be taken seriously. (snark)

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:38 pm

well that sucks for Obama:

Mr. Obama’s own job approval dipped to 48%, from 53% last month

Gm

March 3rd, 2011
1:39 pm

The tea party people are the most hypocrites people you ever wanted to see:
These idiots always talk about less government when it is not convenient for them. These same hypocrites were marching against the President, but lined up taking unemployment money, bank bail out money for home loans, SSI, Va.
These idiots never cared about America, if they did they would have been out in large numbers against George W, when he destoyed this country.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:39 pm

“When you have 150 million people dependent on the government,”

Everyone in this country is dependent on the government in some way — yes, some more than others, but no one is totally self-dependent

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:40 pm

jesus chr-st

“Don Dunlap, an 82-year-old writer and Republican in Sunnyvale, Calif., is one of many voters who need some convincing. “We’re spending ourselves to oblivion—we haven’t seen a comparable level of spending since the Roosevelt era,” he said. “But Social Security is not the right place to trim the budget.”"

Paul

March 3rd, 2011
1:41 pm

Awwww, c’mon. On the second page of comments and no one has keyed in on that little word that skews the responses?

SIGNIFICANT.

As in “significant cuts.”

President’s debt commission recommended what I don’t think anyone would call significant cuts. Some pretty minor tweaks for long-term solvency.

Significant cuts to SS are not necessary.

Fred

March 3rd, 2011
1:42 pm

Does anyone have some extra popcorn?

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:42 pm

Bosch 1:39 – go tell that to some of the farmers and ranchers out west that don’t receive subsidies.

And that’s a red herring argument. Some are net contributors, some net benefactors.

I fall in the net contributor category. By a long, long, long ways. I think that will come to an end in September. Maybe sooner. I’ll be a net $0 guy. :)

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:43 pm

” land line polls miss a huge segment of the population now”

Looks like someone didn’t click on the “guts of the poll” link and read through it.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:45 pm

Those poll results are interesting with respect to Obama match ups. Not that Obama comes out on top. But Romney’s performance, which probably mainly extends from his name recognition, also makes me wonder if the MA HCR could turn out to be an asset rather than liability, in a strange turn of events…. that would be weird.

Jay

March 3rd, 2011
1:46 pm

jm, I know that as well as anyone. We do have to fix it, but this notion among some conservatives that it is politically or even mathematically possible to fix it through spending cuts alone, without tax increases, does not account for reality.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:46 pm

Bosch – Wrong. But I didn’t read all 20 pages. Feel free to point out the part where they say they sampled cell phone users.

Fred

March 3rd, 2011
1:46 pm

@Jay: I have always disliked “news” organization polls. It has always struck me as them CREATING the news instead of reporting on it. It seems like a violation of journalistic ethics. WHat are your thoughts on it?

Granny Godzilla

March 3rd, 2011
1:46 pm

Folks like me – average Americans – did not cause the economic mess, and it should not be repaired on our backs.

It’s time to talk seriously about spending cuts (ie Nascar and oil supports) and about raising taxes on the richest in America.

We cut them after being promised prosperity would trickle down and we see how that worked.

A surtax on millionaires:

Acceptable: 81 percent
Unacceptable: 17 percent

Make that 81% plus Granny

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:47 pm

Fred

March 3rd, 2011
1:48 pm

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:42 pm

Bosch 1:39 – go tell that to some of the farmers and ranchers out west that don’t receive subsidies.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Do you have some names of these mythological people so I CAN ask them?

Kamchak

March 3rd, 2011
1:49 pm

Bosch 1:39 – go tell that to some of the farmers and ranchers out west that don’t receive subsidies.

They get their products to market without relying on public roads?

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:49 pm

Jay 1:46 – “politically or even mathematically possible to fix it through spending cuts alone, without tax increases, does not account for reality.”

I agree both are needed. But Republican have proposed the unpopular spending cuts (I get a half dozen emails a day now from liberal grouips about how the R discretionary cuts are screwing everyone and the environment), where are the Dems to propose the unpopular tax increases?

And let me say, raising taxes on the rich alone does “not account for reality”, because to close the gap, taxes have to go up on everyone.

getalife

March 3rd, 2011
1:49 pm

Then they came for their checks.

And the cons finally stop bowing down and rose to their feet.

“Florida Judge Refuses To Halt Health Care Law” AOL

Aw, our cons are having a bad day.

Bless their hearts.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:50 pm

“They get their products to market without relying on public roads?”

Kamchak,

Didn’t you get the memo?……..Jet packs……it’s the new thing out west.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:50 pm

“We do have to fix it, but this notion among some conservatives that it is politically or even mathematically possible to fix it through spending cuts alone, without tax increases, does not account for reality.”

I say raise the “sin’ tax…alcohol, cigarettes, online poker(if they can get that bill overturned that made it illegal), etc.

Jay

March 3rd, 2011
1:50 pm

It doesn’t bother me, Fred. By that theory, we “create” news every time we do an investigative project, such as the AJC’s work on cheating in Atlanta Public Schools. We’re simply reporting what’s going on out there, using polling as a reporting technique.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:50 pm

Kamchak,

And apparently those farmers and ranchers don’t breathe.

The Fallen

March 3rd, 2011
1:51 pm

Jay, it can be fixed through spending cuts and expanding the tax base to include ALL Americans that earn income. No need to increase taxes to any American with a federal tax liability. Just cast the net wider and farther. People should understand that the free ride (no federal income tax liability) is over.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:51 pm

“But Republican have proposed the unpopular spending cuts”

And totally insignificant like cutting the National Endowment for the Arts — yeah, big deal :roll:

Kamchak

March 3rd, 2011
1:51 pm

Bosch

I thought they might have perfected the Star Trek teleportation device.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2011
1:52 pm

“Didn’t you get the memo?……..Jet packs……it’s the new thing out west”

But then they’re relying on the FAA to keep the skies safe!

arnold

March 3rd, 2011
1:52 pm

How about cuts in defense?

that's just goofy

March 3rd, 2011
1:52 pm

GOP and Democrats don’t care what the people want – they care about what those that bought them want.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:53 pm

“I say raise the “sin’ tax…alcohol, cigarettes, online poker(if they can get that bill overturned that made it illegal), etc.”

No, Peadawg, instead our Georgia Legislators are gonna make you pay more when you get a haircut, change your oil, or sell your car.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:53 pm

“And apparently those farmers and ranchers don’t breathe.”

Cause government obviously provides the air we breathe….. right………. good news for you Bosch, I don’t think there’s room left in the insane asylums. Those Republican budget cuts keeping you out on the lam.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:53 pm

“But Republican have proposed the unpopular spending cuts” – I didn’t know they had proposed cuts for Medicaid, Medicare, SS, and defense! Link please?

Fred

March 3rd, 2011
1:53 pm

I never looked at it from that point of view before Jay, you raise a very valid point. I’ll have to re-examine my thought on the matter.

Thank you.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2011
1:53 pm

“I say raise the “sin’ tax…alcohol, cigarettes, online poker(if they can get that bill overturned that made it illegal), etc”

You DO realize, don’t you, that a “sin tax” is meant to change behavior not raise money? Which means, in case you don’t know, that you would get little to NO revenue from that tax. Kind of hard to pay the bills with no income.

TaxPayer

March 3rd, 2011
1:54 pm

I propose borrowing more so our children will have something to complain about when they get older and see how much they’re paying in taxes and start asking why and find out it was because of their parents, the parents that they are currently caring for. Scratch that. Should be “were caring for.”

Anyway, I still don’t see any Republicans stepping up to the plate and making statements to the effect that we need to divide up that national debt equally amongst all of us tax filers and pay our fair share so we don’t have to burden future generations with a debt that we created. Surely that is acceptable since it does not over-burden the wealthy and if anyone cannot afford to pay it all up front then we can set up easy payment plans or take their first-born males and put them to work in the military or just throw their sorry buttocks in the pauper’s prison.

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:54 pm

“I thought they might have perfected the Star Trek teleportation device”

God, I wish they would — how awesome would that be, and Doggone is right, Kam, the FAA would still be involved.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

Bosch 1:51 – it all adds up bucko. That’s how they get to $100B. The Democrat plan for balancing the budget, or even just closing the gap?

I think the Wisconsin Dems hiding in Illinois must have it….

Jimmy62

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

I’m not surprised. Those are the same messed up attitudes that got us in to such entitlement mess. Those answers also reveal an amazing lack of desire for personal responsibility. Too bad this country has become such a mess, where half the people want someone else to take care of them.

As far as the Tea Party folks, I’d be curious how that breaks down by age. Even hard core libertarians who are over 50 years old have been paying in to SS for a long, long time, and should get back what they were promised. The problem is in the promise, we shouldn’t be making promises that amount to Ponzi schemes. And it is a Ponzi scheme. If the next group to pay in, say everyone between 20 and 35, decided to all move to Europe, then the whole system would crash. No more suckers to take care of the previous level of the pyramid. A Ponzi scheme by definition and highly illegal under the laws of this land.

John Birch

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

Short version – Everybody wants stuff and more stuff and nobody wants to pay for it. While the poor want the wealthy to pay for it, no matter how much you increase taxes on the wealthy there won’t be enough revenue to meet the needs of Medicare and Mediciad even ten years from now. Over the next 75 years the big three; SS, Medicare, and Medicaid have a projected shortfall of more than $50T, more money than there is in the world!

Jay

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

No, jm, the Republicans have NOT proposed such cuts. They claim to be getting ready to prepare to start thinking about how to begin to plan to maybe eventually propose such cuts at some point in the indefinite future.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

Ya I know Bosch…I’m ashamed to be a Republican right now. But I’m not going to *face palm* again…my head hurts too much from doing it so much lately(that’s for you, Keep).

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

Bosch….jet packs? Have you priced them lately…I mean after Fox reported about the millions spent by LA Police Dept, who has got the money to buy one now. Even the used jet pack dealer on the corner is sold out after the Thrust for Thunkers program (the Thunk is the sound they make when they fail midair).

Bosch

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

“Cause government obviously provides the air we breathe”

No dumb ass, but they do keep it clean.

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:55 pm

Peadawg 1:53 – its not my job to keep you up to date on the news.

Paul

March 3rd, 2011
1:56 pm

Hi Bosch!

Personally, I think Republicans ought to glom onto that GAO report on hundreds of billions in savings thru elimination of duplicative programs, pull back all their other proposals and challenge the opposition by saying “we’re in favor of ALL the GAO recommendations, are you?”

Or, Pres Obama could do it. His overall ratings would go exponential -

Adam

March 3rd, 2011
1:56 pm

So has any Republican governor come up with a plan that covers lots of people and doesn’t increase the deficit so they can ignore the ACA entirely in favor of their better plan?

Fred

March 3rd, 2011
1:56 pm

I’m still waiting for the names of ranchers “out West” who don’t get subsidies…………

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2011
1:56 pm

“nobody wants to pay for it.”

And that’s not true. Quite a lot of us HERE were not in favor of extending that Bush tax cuts on ANYONE.

Peadawg

March 3rd, 2011
1:57 pm

“You DO realize, don’t you, that a “sin tax” is meant to change behavior not raise money? ” – You OBVIOUSLY haven’t been on Pokerstars or Full Tilt lately….the gov’t would raise a sh*t load of money taxing deposits and/or withdrawals.

Adam

March 3rd, 2011
1:57 pm

They claim to be getting ready to prepare to start thinking about how to begin to plan to maybe eventually propose such cuts at some point in the indefinite future.

This made me laugh really hard. So much for governing. What’s that about kicking the can down the road?

jm

March 3rd, 2011
1:57 pm

Jay 1:55 – well, I’m glad to hear Dems are just fine with the $100B in discretionary cuts and are itching for more. that’s breaking news to me….

Hell, let’s be honest. Dems don’t want any spending cuts, as demonstrated in any legislation thus far. Does $100B go far enough? No. But you can’t call R’s to the mat when D’s haven’t done a single g-ddamn thing.