Majority of Georgia House demands proof of Obama’s citizenship

I would like to shake the hands of 21 Republican members of the Georgia House of Representatives and thank them personally. They have apparently shown wisdom and bravery by refusing to join an effort that is guaranteed to make this state a laughingstock. (It could also be that they just weren’t asked to join the cool kids’ club, I don’t know. But for the moment, I prefer to believe it was a conscious decision on their part.)

Unfortunately, the remaining 94 93 House Republicans (and one very lost Democrat) have lost their minds, backbone or both. They have signed on as co-sponsors to House Bill 401, a bill that purports to require that all candidates for U.S. president and vice president prove their citizenship before being allowed to appear on the Georgia ballot. And since the 94 co-sponsors comprise a clear majority of the 180-member House, the bill has a good chance of passing unless House leadership intervenes.

As the bill states:

birther

The bill also makes it a crime for any Georgia presidential elector “to cast his or her electoral college vote for a candidate who is not approved by the Secretary of State as having submitted adequate evidence of eligibility. Any person who violates this Code section shall upon conviction be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.”

Ladies and gentlemen, this is just nuts.

UPDATE: The chief sponsor of the bill, state Rep. Mark Hatfield, says he’s not a birther, he’s a “constitutionalist.”

Baloney. Here’s what the 14th Amendment says:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,  are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States….”

States do not have the power to decide who is and is not a citizen, born or naturalized. A true “constitutionalist” would know that.

– Jay Bookman

689 comments Add your comment

Midori

March 1st, 2011
3:04 pm

*sigh*

teh stupid.

it burns.

Midori

March 1st, 2011
3:04 pm

ooo

FIRST!!!!! :)

TaxPayer

March 1st, 2011
3:06 pm

Republicans, in general (I’ll acknowledge that there are outliers in their midst), are just plain stoopid. There’s just no other explanation for them short of oxygen deprivation or worse.

bleary

March 1st, 2011
3:10 pm

The nuttiest part of the “birther” theory is that in 2008 Barack Obama ran for the Democratic nomination against Hillary Clinton and won. As Democratic nominee he ran in the general election against John McCain and won by a good margin. Neither Hillary Clinton nor John McCain thought there was enough evidence to even bother to bring the birther thing up. These “birthers” pretend to know more than those two hardened, experience politicians??

Guy Incognito

March 1st, 2011
3:12 pm

Easy to fix………….just show the Long Form.

The End!

BTW…………I think his LFBC says he was born here

Kamchak

March 1st, 2011
3:12 pm

Birthers, geez. :roll:

Del

March 1st, 2011
3:12 pm

It may be perceived that this bill is designed as a challenge to Obama’s place of birth. As a conservative I don’t doubt the presidents birthplace legitimacy, so removing him from the discourse, what’s wrong with this proposed bill?

Made in America

March 1st, 2011
3:13 pm

Is there some burden to complying?

And using bleary’s logic, since 15 presidents had not questioned slavery, Lincoln never should have either, right?

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:15 pm

Does the Georgia House Chamber get enough air? They can’t all be that stupid, can they? Oh….My….Freakin’….Gawd!

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:15 pm

Pure Jackassery!!!

However, I don’t expect anything less from our state legislators. After all, this is the same legislative body that did the chip law…..

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:16 pm

” what’s wrong with this proposed bill?”

Well apart from the absurdity, it relies on the CANDIDATES word for it.

BFD

March 1st, 2011
3:16 pm

He was born here as far as anyone knows. Do I think there is a chance he wasn’t? Not really.

Why shouldn’t it be a requirement though. According to the COTUS it is a requirement for the job. Every employer has a duty to make sure an employee is eligible. We are his employer.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:16 pm

what’s wrong with this proposed bill?

Why all of a sudden is it necessary to produce the “long form” for anything? Did you have to produce your long form to enlist in the military, get a driver’s license, get a passport, vote, or anything else?

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:19 pm

“He was born here as far as anyone knows.”

It doesn’t matter where he was born, his mother was a citizen…HE is a citizen. Maybe they should rewrite that law to force candidates to show their MOTHER’S birth certificate. I mean, after all, McCain was born in PANAMA and no one ever asked for HIS “long form”

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:19 pm

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:19 pm

Actually, this kind of BS might mean that they are really, really afraid that President Obama WILL be re-elected. So afraid that they will do anything to prevent it, even look really, really dumb.

Del

March 1st, 2011
3:20 pm

What’s so absurd about it? and is it true that it only relies on a candidates word that he or she was born in the United States, now if that is in fact true, I’d agree it was absurd.

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:20 pm

Koch bashers. Read here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704288304576170974226083178.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Jay, ever get a chance to read that enlightening 266 page report?….

stands for decibels

March 1st, 2011
3:21 pm

McCain was born in PANAMA and no one ever asked for HIS “long form”

ew.

Bosch

March 1st, 2011
3:21 pm

Our legislatures are stupid — just plain stupid. This is a blatant attempt to keep Obama off the ballot in 2012.

Common Sense

March 1st, 2011
3:21 pm

To register for kindergarten in Georgia, one must provide a birth certificate with the raised seal.

Glad we hold 4 year olds to a higher standard than the presidency of the United States.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

Koch bashers. Read here.

:shock:
Sounds like something you should do in the privacy of your own home.

Just sayin……

AngryRedMarsWoman

March 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

“Why all of a sudden is it necessary to produce the “long form” for anything?”

To show what an idiot I am…I didn’t know there were different forms and I thought they all contained the information set forth in the bill (not saying I support it). When I went for my passport I ordered a certified copy of my birth certificate from New York. They didn’t offer me a choice of forms – long or short. What I received contained all of the information that is in this bill. What information does a short form birth certificate contain and which states issue them?

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

Boy, it will really suck if Obama turns out not to be born in the US. I give this a 0.01% chance. But I have no idea of the veracity, one way or the other. Nor do I particularly care at this point.

Meanwhile, our country continues to go down in flames….. tick tock

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

“What’s so absurd about it?”

Well, if you use our courtroom standard of “innocent until proven guilty” – it’s not up to the candidate to prove they ARE a citizen, it’s up to the doubter to prove he ISN’T a citizen.

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

SoCo 3:22 – :) I’m sure Sheen’s an expert.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:22 pm

To register for kindergarten in Georgia, one must provide a birth certificate with the raised seal.

Does state law require it to be the long form? If not, there’s no higher standard.

stands for decibels

March 1st, 2011
3:23 pm

speaking of pandering to dumbasses, anyone want to defend Mike Huckabee, here?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201103010018

During a radio appearance yesterday, Mike Huckabee repeatedly falsely claimed that President Obama grew up in Kenya. After questioning Obama’s purported secrecy about the birth certificate, radio host Steve Malzberg asked Huckabee if “we deserve to know more about this man.” Huckabee responded, “I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough.”

Speaking on WOR’s The Steve Malzberg Show, Huckabee — a Fox News host and potential presidential candidate — said that “one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American … his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British are a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.”

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:23 pm

“Glad we hold 4 year olds to a higher standard than the presidency of the United States”

Obama’s birth certificate HAS a “raised seal”

Common Sense

March 1st, 2011
3:23 pm

Doggone,

Is it up to the police officer to prove you don’t have a driver’s license?

Bosch

March 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

“The nuttiest part of the “birther” theory ”

Well, yes, bleary, that is one of the nuttiest parts, but there are just so many others — like if this crazy conspiracy were true, it would be like 50 years in the making and no one, not one person, spilled the beans on.

Kamchak

March 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

To register for kindergarten in Georgia, one must provide a birth certificate with the raised seal.

How does one raise a seal?

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:24 pm

Maybe they should put his birth certificate on display next to the Declaration of Independence. Temporarily of course….

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:25 pm

That birth certificate is probably the most valuable birth certificate in the country….

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:25 pm

“Is it up to the police officer to prove you don’t have a driver’s license?”

A case could be made for that view. They tell you to show your license, they can’t force you to.

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:25 pm

Article Two Section 1(5) of the Constitution already sets the parameters of presidential qualifications…this bill is to soothe the Georgia illiterate and bigot

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:25 pm

Wonder if Deal will sign it….. (and if it passes the Senate)

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:26 pm

jm

Hopefully in the privacy of his home or trailer…..

ARMW

Don’t feel bad. I didn’t know there was any difference either, until all the tom foolery came up over Obama’s. He could have been born on the moon. If his mother is a US citizen, then he’s one.

Del

March 1st, 2011
3:26 pm

“it’s up to the doubter to prove he ISN’T a citizen.”

Now that’s absurd.

What's the Problem?

March 1st, 2011
3:26 pm

There is not one Obama fan here who will offer even a hint of a rational explanation as to why he will not release the long form birth certificate.

But they will bash anyone who questions why.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

“How does one raise a seal?”

It takes a LOT of fish!

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

How does one raise a seal?

Lots and lots of sardines and a big bath tub…

USMC dawg

March 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

Why didn’t Obama just show his Birth Certificate in the first place like everyone else does?
(the full birth certificate)

What was so hard about that?

stands for decibels

March 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

How does one raise a seal?

How about those who were raised BY SEALS? can they be Preznit?

Best get our hard-workin’ GA House on that one.

TrickleDownStupid

March 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

I’m wondering if I could get proof that these idiots are actually “earthlings”. I’m beginning to suspect they are from MARS.

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:28 pm

“How does one raise a seal?”

And regular outdoor exercise, plus some inflatable balls.

Peadawg

March 1st, 2011
3:28 pm

“bigot”

That didn’t take long…

Freedom from Insanity

March 1st, 2011
3:28 pm

The birth certificate with the raised seal is nothing more than a certified copy of the original and it is what has been provided by Obama in the past. It is the same thing you need for everything, so what the hell is the issue here. If you want to look up a copy of the Honolulu Star Bulletin and/or Honolulu Advertisor, his birth is announced in the paper and the Governor of Hawaii visited Kapiolani Maternity Hospital to see the baby and his mother. If this is a conspiricy, it is one of the most elaborte and well planned conspiricies in the history of our country. Let’s see, they would have had to decide at birth that he was going to be President, so they faked his birth in this country – yes Hawaii is in this country! Pretty clever!
Birthers, give it up and come out of your Mother’s basement and join the rest of the world in the light of day!

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:29 pm

“There is not one Obama fan here who will offer even a hint of a rational explanation as to why he will not release the long form birth certificate”

rational? Yes, we have actually. Once again, with feeling: it DOESN’T MATTER where he was born. His mother was a US citizen, HE is a US citizen.

Bosch

March 1st, 2011
3:29 pm

“How does one raise a seal?”

I think they like sardines.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

Re Normal’s 3:25….

Article 2 Section 1 states:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”

Nothing there requires anyone to see the long form of somebody’s birth certificate.

*Natural born: By law, we don’t allow cloning. I don’t know if a C-Section would be considered natural born or not. Maybe if Obama was born by C-Section, then he’s ineligible.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

“Why didn’t Obama just show his Birth Certificate in the first place like everyone else does?”

He did. He does. It’s been available on the internet all along. Google it, it’s not hard to find.

Richard

March 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

Doggone,
“It doesn’t matter where he was born, his mother was a citizen…HE is a citizen. Maybe they should rewrite that law to force candidates to show their MOTHER’S birth certificate. I mean, after all, McCain was born in PANAMA and no one ever asked for HIS “long form”

Um…out of curiosity, do you want to rewrite that statement?
(I’m giving you a chance here. Please accept before I laugh at you.)

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

“His mother was a US citizen”

Do we know this for sure???!!! Where’s her birth certificate?!

;)

USMC dawg

March 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

Oh yeah, the Left-wingers are full of Special Rights and Entitlements.
Liberals act as though the rules do not apply to them…

Common Sense

March 1st, 2011
3:30 pm

It’s more complicated that you folks want to pretend it is.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[7]:

1. The person’s parents were married at the time of birth
2. One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

For persons born out-of-wedlock (mother) if all the following apply:

1. the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and
2. the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.[8] (See link for those born to a U.S. father out-of-wedlock)[7]

Bosch

March 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

Oops! Sorry Doggone!

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

“I think they like sardines”

Preferably salted.

retired early

March 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

Looks like most of the GOP are regular Rush listeners.
Alabama’s next state slogan…”thank God for Georgia”.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:32 pm

Bosch

March 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

“And regular outdoor exercise, plus some inflatable balls.”

Oh yes, jm, of course…and don’t they like those little horns too?

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

Common Sense 3:30 – interesting. Source? What changed after 1986?

Obviously, Obama still qualifies according to your info since his mom was still a US citizen….

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

No, preferably with saltines… :)

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

“(I’m giving you a chance here. Please accept before I laugh at you.)”

If you’re talking about McCain having been born in the “Canal Zone” – I already know all about it. It’s EXACTLY as relevent as Obama’s birth certificate. Meaning: not at all relevant.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

March 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

Common Sense

It’s not complicated. I deal with the nationality charts as part of my job.

Del

March 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

I’ve provided my long form on occasion. I think when I registered for the draft and as I recall for a military security clearance background check as well as for a passport. I don’t know if requirements have changed but in this era of illegal immigration, I think this bill makes sense apart from the Obama discussion going on here.

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

retired early

March 1st, 2011
3:31 pm

:lol:

Common Sense

March 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

It’s more complicated than saying his mom was a citizen.

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

Bosch- the animal orchestra? Someone’s been watching too much CNBC…..

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

“Do we know this for sure???!!! Where’s her birth certificate?!”

hmmmm…I wonder how far back we need to go? I mean really, are we SURE that HER mother was a citizen?

Democrat from North Carolina

March 1st, 2011
3:34 pm

This state is so ridiculous. How does a major metro area like Atlanta even exist in this state? And why do you people keep voting these morons in? Do you like being the laughingstock of the country?

The only bills that easily get approved is stupid crap like this or guns in churches and airports and Arizona style immigration laws (when we don’t even border Mexico), etc. Oh, and what about the bill from the moron in East Cobb who thinks that abortion should not only be a felony, but if a woman can’t prove she didn’t purposely have a miscarriage (when doctor’s dont even know why they happen anyways) she can be arrested and brought to court for trial. Are you GA men and women OK with this?!

But Sunday alcohol sales or a regional transit system for Atlanta metro? Nope, can’t get anywhere. These people are useless and so are the voters in this state.

getalife

March 1st, 2011
3:35 pm

The con states are trying to out con each other.

Embarrassing but hilarious..

MAK

March 1st, 2011
3:35 pm

I’d like to see Rep. Bobby Franklin’s proof of citizenship. Surely he cannot be of this planet.

Nan

March 1st, 2011
3:36 pm

And what exactly is a “long form” birth certificate? Every state is different in what it puts down on the record — one of my daughters was born in Michigan, the other in Wisconsin and their birth certificates don’t look the same or have all of the same information. And who gets to decide what’s valid and what’s not? My sister lives in Alabama now — her Michigan birth certificate was good enough to get her into the Navy and to get her a US passport, but the state of Alabama says it’s not valid proof of citizenship for getting a driver’s license. So she decided to wait a couple days, try a different clerk, and wow, what a surprise — suddenly it was okay.

All this birther movement does is convince the rest of the world (and most of the rest of the US, for that matter) that most Southerners really are still a bunch of racist ignoramuses who miss being able to dress in sheets in public.

Toccoa Reader

March 1st, 2011
3:36 pm

I’m glad that the 22 are thinking rationally! This is about Obama.

josef nix

March 1st, 2011
3:36 pm

He’s an anchor baby and ought to be deported to Kenya (or Indonesia, or illegally occupied Hawaii), I mean if we’re going off the deep end, let’s make it a high dive!

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:37 pm

“Bernanke Says Faster Inflation From Commodity Surge Likely to Be Temporary ”

Bernanke be wrong. He’s apparently never heard of the “commodities supercycle”….. methinks we are going to have a bout of seriously high inflation. Canadian $’s……

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:37 pm

Just remember we all come from illegal immigrants…

LawDog

March 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

Seems to be an equal protection violation- are they requiring this of ALL candidates who appear on the state ballot? All Federal candidates? And, doesn’t our Constitution get to set the rules, not our State Legislature? Geez… the stupidity of the politics of this is bad enough- but who is advising these guys? …

Del

March 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

McCain was born on a U.S. military reservation out of the country. It happens all the time and the children are considered citizens as though they were born in the United States

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

Good afternoon. I have read nothing more than this than our host offers us, but I’m not sure this bill will do what its sponsors think it will do. Let’s hypothesize:

(1) President Obama wins Georgia and the dozen people elected to the Electoral College meet in Atlanta and cast their votes for him. Would the district attorney in Atlanta – that would seem to be the venue of the crime – prosecute?

(2) Candidate Palin wins Georgia and the dozen people elected to the Electoral College meet in Atlanta and cast their votes for her. Although Ms. Palin submitted 80% of the documentation required for SoS certification, the certification was incomplete at the time early voting commenced. Is the electoral vote prosecutable?

We do not even consider the potential “equal protection” issues that arise in the case of the so-called “faithless” elector, who casts a conscientious protest vote for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich.

Maybe “just nuts” overstates the case – the intention is plainly simply to embarrass our President over a niggling matter beyond his control – but like almost every action of the legislature, it creates more problems than it cures. If they really just want to slant the election, a better course, with fewer Constitutional hurdles, would be to make the November election advisory, and to have a special session of the legislature meet on November 15 to choose the state’s electors.

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

Doggone 3:34 – I agree. Obviously a full “chain of title” is needed….. for pete’s sake.

Um. Wisconsin is facing down corrupt public unions. And our feeble State of GA politicians are busy passing birther bills….. blah

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

Normal 3:37 – no we don’t. Where’d you get that idea?

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

Remember back at the ‘96 Olympics, a ticket vendor thought New Mexico was a foreign country?

AmVet

March 1st, 2011
3:39 pm

…by refusing to join an effort guaranteed to make this state a laughingstock.

Are you kidding me?

Make that a bigger laughingstock than it already is and I might agree.

Clayton County schools, Nathan Deal, UGA football… (grin)

The rest of the story

March 1st, 2011
3:40 pm

Names – we want names.

Normal

March 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

Plymouth Rock, Roanoke, etc…

KP_ATL

March 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

For those who ask what’s wrong with this law. It’s easy, the constitution already spells out the requirements to run for President. This is a plain and simple attack on our President. No matter what he produces, they will always demand something else. This conspiracy will never die no matter what evidence contradicts it. What is so crazy about this conspiracy is tat it assumes that in the early 1960’s a group of powerful people determined that a black man would become president, and not any black man, but this one born in Hawaii. So they had the forethought to publish record of his birth in a Honolulu newspaper, just in case this black man ever ran for president. In fact, these people published the birth of 1 million black islamic children who were actually born in the Middle East in this same Honolulu paper just in case they wanted to be president too.

josef nix

March 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

NC Democrat…

Georgia has its share of wack-os, no doubt, but the Tarheels ain’t no heap sight better…and Atlanta? It’s an overgrown crossroads trading village with pretentions to grandeur, just a step ahead of Charlotte…

HL

March 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

Anchor baby Michelle Malkin is going to be deported. If only…

Matt

March 1st, 2011
3:42 pm

As a general supporter of the Republican party this just burns me up. Do we not have enough pressing issues that we have to deal with crap like this and the asinine “miscarriage” bill? The rest of America is just laughing at our stupidity.

@@

March 1st, 2011
3:42 pm

Maybe they’re trying to head off any future controversies, jay.

Who the hell knows or cares anymore?

Such a caring soul, you are.

Bosch

March 1st, 2011
3:42 pm

Jay,

I clicked on the link to read the bill — how do you see which Representatives sign on for it? I’m sure mine did, but I want to believe he is sane, I have to hold on to that dream for a little while longer.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2011
3:42 pm

“And, doesn’t our Constitution get to set the rules, not our State Legislature?”

Actually, no. The Constitution leaves the elections up to the states. Jimmy Carter had to go to court to be listed as “Jimmy Carter” on the Maine ballot (I think it was Maine) – they wanted to make him be listed as “James Earl Carter”

The Secret Service Thoroughly Vets All Candidates

March 1st, 2011
3:43 pm

Maybe these 94 Buffoons can all hang signs around their necks that read “We Can’t Figure Out How to Improve the Unemployment or Education Gap in Our State, But We Will Be Glad to Use the State’s Resources to Make All Georgians the Punchline of a National Joke.”
Then they can get Sonny to come back and they can all pray together for the sanctity of marriage on the capitol steps.
It’s incredible. Stories on theonion.com are less farcical than the real ones generated by this bunch of loonies.
The idea that a man could be elected President of the US while not being constitutionally eligible to run is ABSURD. Do these dim-wits really think the Secret Service hasn’t made sure Obama is eligible? Do they really think this law is necessary? If I didn’t live in Atlanta I would find this amusing, but it’s frighteningly stupid.
It’s like these guys go down to the Capitol every day trying to come up with something dumber and less productive for our state than the day before. Third world countries have better administrative capacity than this. Geez. And I’m a Republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jm

March 1st, 2011
3:43 pm

Ragnar – I have serious concerns Candidate Palin is a Manchurian candidate. After all, she can see Russia and therefore she’s probably close enough to be a target for psych ops…. Palin’s a trojan horse ya’ll. Beware.

josef nix

March 1st, 2011
3:43 pm

Normal

Unmentionable says, “who’s that ‘we’ Kimosabe?” :-)

reasonable

March 1st, 2011
3:44 pm

Release of Hawaiian birth certificates is governed by their state law which forbids release of information beyond that listed in the on-line official record of birth by the state of Hawaii. For President Obama to request release of such information would set a terrible precedent whereby official state records of one state (and the on-line record is Hawaii’s official record) are not accepted as valid by other states, which,in effect, could set their own standards for official proof of birth in another state. That would certainly be subject to a strong legal challenge. Further, to give in to this will simply lead to other more off-the-wall requests. The “long form” will not suffice for those intent on denying the legitimacy of this president. Truthfully nothing will suffice for these folks.

jewcowboy

March 1st, 2011
3:44 pm

I’m certainly glad our elected officials are concentrating on important issues…today is National Pancake Day…did they forget to propose a tax cut on IHOP?

jconservative

March 1st, 2011
3:44 pm

Many decades ago the US Congress set the US Passport office as the final determinate of birth certificates. If you qualify for a US passport based on your birth certificate, you have a legal birth certificate.

I have a “long form” birth certificate. It does not contain the names of any witnesses to my birth. It does contain the date place of my birth but not the time. It does contain the name of the doctor but not his signature. It has my parents names but not their places of birth or their residence, only their city & state. It is from a Georgia county signed by the Ordinary of that county. What I have is an actual picture of the birth certificate filed in 1942, obtained by me decades ago from the Ordinary, a long time family friend.

I would not qualify for president under this bill. But I did qualify for and have, a US Passport.

My grandkids only have the electronic computer generated birth certificate issued by the Georgia county of their birth. So my grandkids would not qualify for president under this bill.

And my wife and I only have a computer generated marriage license issued by the county of our marriage. So does this mean we are not really married?