Time running short for both Beverly Hall and state investigators

Yes, Beverly Hall deserves to be fired as superintendent of Atlanta Public Schools.

But with just four months left on her contract and three months left in the school year, and with no credible replacement available, firing her now wouldn’t make much sense.

Terminating her contract would cost the district too much financially. The process would take valuable time and energy better put to other uses, such as finding a permanent replacement. It would also add political strain on members of an argumentative school board still trying to find a way to work together and avoid a disastrous loss of accreditation.

In a way, it’s remarkable that Hall has lasted this long. Evidence of widespread cheating by district personnel would have been enough to force the ouster of many other superintendents, but Hall’s reputation as an educator and administrator initially protected her.

However, it has been Hall’s dismissive, self-protective reaction to that scandal that has been most disappointing. Rather than confront it directly, she and others in her administration have tried to downplay the controversy and deny its scale.

Amazingly, that seems to have continued. Hall’s top deputy, Kathy Augustine, was taped in an October conference call belittling a state investigation into the scandal as “nothing short of horrific.”

“It is extremely denigrating, it is extremely disrespectful, it is… it is just… it is just bizarre,” she said in the call.

Those remarks have raised questions of possible obstruction into the investigation, but that doesn’t seem justified by the facts. The cheating investigation is limited to elementary and middle schools; Augustine was talking to high school principals not directly involved in the case. While she clearly wasn’t happy about the investigation, that’s not a crime.

On the other hand, it sure would have been nice to hear that kind of anger and outrage from APS leaders directed not at investigators, but at those who chose to change standardized test answers of their students. However bizarre it might be to have GBI investigators interrogating elementary school teachers, APS leaders brought that situation upon themselves.

In the tape, Augustine is also heard questioning the behavior and motives of certain APS board members. After urging the principals to speak out about the situation, Augustine says that “if the only voices the board hears are their own or those who side with them, they will continue with this kind of behavior that may prove very damning to our children and the work of our high schools.”

Criticism of APS board members is not exactly a rare event these days, but it’s a little different coming from a top administrator in a conversation with employees.

The case of Tamara Cotman is more troubling. In a meeting late last year with 12 elementary and middle school principals under her supervision, Cotman reportedly encouraged employees to tell state investigators to go to hell. When APS leaders learned of the meeting, they did not notify investigators or discipline Cotman. In fact, there are serious allegations that Cotman was initially allowed to retaliate against employees she suspected of notifying the district of her behavior.

The full story of that incident is not yet known, but the fact that Cotman felt free to make such statements in the first place confirms the necessity for a change of culture and attitude within APS leadership.

Again, the calendar is a pressing issue. The special prosecutors leading the state investigation — Mike Bowers, Bob Wilson and Richard Hyde — were appointed by then-Gov. Sonny Perdue back in August. That’s more than six months ago now. As prosecutors, they are naturally inclined to try to make cases, and if they have found evidence of crimes they should of course pursue it.

However, from the beginning the larger purpose of the probe has been to establish some credible version of the truth, so the district can move forward. Prosecuting cases is less important than providing the public a timely explanation of what happened and how.

We already know that attracting strong candidates to replace Hall won’t be easy given the challenges of the district, the threat of certification loss and an occasionally dysfunctional board. The prospect of an ongoing criminal probe, with unknown consequences, only adds to the uncertainty confronting job candidates. The sooner it can be finished, the better for all involved.

– Jay Bookman

423 comments Add your comment

Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)

February 25th, 2011
7:23 am

This is the real problem with schools and education, not the teachers

Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)

February 25th, 2011
7:24 am

Adam

February 25th, 2011
7:42 am

WHAT THE EFF, THEY PASSED THE BILL IN WI

Adam

February 25th, 2011
7:44 am

Oh. Dammit ANN app, why did you have to scare me so.

The State Assembly passed the bill, but the State Senate still can’t vote it in. I sure hope that didn’t work on protesters (like it did on me) enough to get them to go home.

Adam

February 25th, 2011
7:45 am

CNN app, sorry.

On a brighter note, I really have nothing to contribute to the subject of Jay’s article

Normal

February 25th, 2011
7:46 am

Adam,
The bill passed only in the state house. The senate is the one where all of the Democrats are in Illinois…

Lee

February 25th, 2011
7:47 am

Atlanta, Clayton County, Dekalb County, Detroit, Washington DC, ad infinitum.

Funny how you don’t hear about school systems that are 80-90% white being in a dysfunctional mess.

Normal

February 25th, 2011
7:48 am

Republican mantra…”We don’t need no education, we don’t need no minds control…”

:D

@@

February 25th, 2011
7:53 am

Displacing blame and anger. It’s what we, as a society, are being encouraged to do.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2011
7:56 am

The senate is the one where all of the Democrats RAN AWAY TO Illinois… – Fixed your typo, Normal.

On the topic…glad I don’t have to subject my (future) kids to Atlanta Public schools.

jt

February 25th, 2011
8:00 am

From the NPR—————–The Root of the Problem always goes back to a weed.a Washington weed……………………………not the good weed………………………………

A Culture Of Cheating?

The tests are given to children in grades 1-8. The results determine whether schools meet federal benchmarks under the No Child Left Behind Act.

Good scores mean high praise and cash bonuses. Failure to meet standards could mean losing hundreds of thousands in federal dollars, and could cost teachers and administrators their jobs.”

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.
HDT

Adam

February 25th, 2011
8:03 am

Peadawg: Well, since in the State Assembly they debated for hours and then WITHOUT EVEN CUTTING OFF DEBATE just called for a vote on the bill and went home, I think that pretty much shows just how successful the Democrats coming home to “debate” the bill will be.

For Republicans and for a national attempt to bust unions, that would be VERY successful

Adam

February 25th, 2011
8:04 am

jt: Yeah actually the whole rewards for better test scores thing is actually quite stupid. It doesn’t actually solve educational problems, even if the test scores are legitimately earned. It just gives the advantaged MORE of an advantage and creates a greater educational divide.

jt

February 25th, 2011
8:07 am

Adam

Not to mention immoral and corrupt. Politically connected people made billions on NCLB.

Normal

February 25th, 2011
8:14 am

There has to be a study somewhere about power and its abuse, but it seems to me that school superintendent or Governor, if you are unused to power and you gain it, you tend to abuse it.
——————–

Off topic, looks like Deal is going to flip flop on illegal immigration in Georgia in favor of business. Didn’t see that one coming, did you?

USMC dawg

February 25th, 2011
8:15 am

“Yes, Beverly Hall deserves to be fired as superintendent of Atlanta Public Schools.”

Thank You, Jay. Finally you address this VERY important issue.

But are you treating her DIFFERENTLY because she is a BLACK WOMAN?

I think the obvious answer is YES.

THAT is true racism. Treat the woman equally REGARDLESS of her race and gender.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2011
8:21 am

I see the compassionate conservatives are quite vocal this morning.

Jay

February 25th, 2011
8:22 am

What in the WORLD are you talking about, Dawg?

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
8:23 am

“Funny how you I don’t hear about school systems that are 80-90% white being in a dysfunctional mess. (With racist fingers in ears, yelling, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah…)

Hmmmm, wonder why that is…

http://www.google.com/search?q=school+boards+in+trouble&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

jojo

February 25th, 2011
8:24 am

Jay, you must be a racist. Don’t you know you can’t say bad things about minorities? We thought we had you sufficiently trained to feel guilty for ever criticizing people of color. Don’t you know that all of our ills are because of you and your white devil brothers? One day we’ll run this country and every one will live happy and free of oppression like they do in wonderful African countries like Somalia, Sudan, and Ethiopia.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2011
8:26 am

Anyway, Beverly Hall was born in Jamaica, West Indies. So, does that mean she cannot be elected president.

USMC dawg

February 25th, 2011
8:26 am

Just to add:

The AJC has treated this story with “kid gloves” from the very beginning; glossing over evidence and not really exposing this tremendous SYSTEM WIDE cheating scandal.

Jay, I do appreciate your finally bringing light to this scandal. It is nice that you finally write an article that isn’t consumed with slandering Republicans/Conservatives or your “L. Ron Hubbard” Global Warming usuals.

If she were a white guy, she would have been Fired or forced out long ago.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 25th, 2011
8:26 am

jt

Good assessment on NCLB. Can’t argue with that and I agree with you.

I see our resident Race expert has shown up at 8:15 with something way, way off course, but on par for his posts. Guess I’ll bow out before I get tagged with the race card again today…

ty webb

February 25th, 2011
8:27 am

ah yes…what to do with Beverly Hall? Simple solution. Reassign her to something else. Surely she could take over as a vendor at the Airport, but only if she has the right “connections”. If not, then maybe she could lead the former mayor’s “Pothole Brigade”

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
8:27 am

Looks like the Tucker miscreants (read bigots) are gonna be flocking over here in droves.

This should get really ugly, given the racial animus already displayed from the louts at 8:15 and 8:24.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2011
8:27 am

“THAT is true racism”

Nope. Jay is being pragmatic. YOU are being bigoted.

Normal

February 25th, 2011
8:28 am

“If she were a white guy, she would have been Fired or forced out long ago.”

That just supposition…

TnGelding

February 25th, 2011
8:29 am

Are you kidding? There are plenty of qualified, outstanding individuals willing to accept the challenge. Money talks. But the sooner they put this behind them the better. The students are the ones that were really cheated.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2011
8:31 am

Wow we have the race and the bigot card within an hour and a half. What’s next?

jt

February 25th, 2011
8:31 am

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 25th, 2011
8:26 am

jt

Good assessment on NCLB. Can’t argue with that and I agree with you.

Dang it………..quit being so cordial.
When a federale agrees with me, I have to go and re-calibrate all of my premises.
Thanks a pant load.

I’m out.

@@

February 25th, 2011
8:33 am

Brown, perhaps more than other Democrats, has sought a full partnership with public-sector unions. He has proposed slicing $12.5 billion from the state budget, with deep cuts to universities and human services and pay reductions for state workers, but unions like his plan to ask voters to approve in June $12.5 billion in temporary taxes. Public-sector unions, such as the powerful California Teachers Association, have signaled they would fund the media campaign in support of passage for the taxes.

If state lawmakers don’t agree to the referendum or if voters reject the tax extensions, Brown warned Thursday, he would push for the full $25 billion in budget cuts.–WaPo

The unions are gonna fund the campaign to raise taxes? Interesting!!! But….

General voter attitudes towards Sacramento, special interests, and unions:

* 82% of voters believe “major changes” are need in the way state government is run.

* 72% of voters believe public sector unions have more influence then they should because employees are forced to join and pay dues.

* 69% believe public sector unions are a corrupting influence in politics because they elect the legislators who they negotiate with for benefits.

* 69% agree with union critics who say it is a conflict of interest to have government collect dues on behalf of unions who use this money for campaign contributions to influence government decisions.

* 68% believe we need to limit the undue influence of public sector unions which are a special interest in Sacramento.–Union Watch

The BIG ONE!!??!!

Let’s hope so.

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
8:34 am

Hey Normal, good Friday morning to ya!

“That just supposition…”

Or maybe its just a verbal suppository!

Misty Fyed

February 25th, 2011
8:36 am

Pragmatic or not…Just because it will be difficult or hard doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be fired. I’m not in the city but from the outside looking in the Atlanta School System is a joke because of this. By not firing her it looks inept also. APS has come too far to let the actions of one administration ruin it’s reputation.

Normal

February 25th, 2011
8:38 am

AmVet@8:34,
Good morning to you sir! I think you are closer to the truth, just sayin’…

:D

Jay

February 25th, 2011
8:40 am

Dawg, you’re displaying your ignorance and your bias.

The AJC has driven this story from the beginning. It was our continuing investigation into unlikely high test scores that opened the window on all of this. Without our work, none of this would be known or happening.

You are confusing what you would LIKE to be true because it confirms your world view with what is actually true.

Normal

February 25th, 2011
8:43 am

I will say this. Beverly Hall has lost the trust of the people and should step down for that reason alone as should the entire school board. Have special elections, if need be, and try to elect, or place a more even mix of Black, Hispanic, and White members. The regaining of trust will follow more quickly then, I think….

BTW, I vote for Josef Nix for Superintendent. :)

@@

February 25th, 2011
8:45 am

Weird to say the least:

But with just four months left on her contract and three months left in the school year, and with no credible replacement available, firing her now wouldn’t make much sense.

However, it has been Hall’s dismissive, self-protective reaction to that scandal that has been most disappointing. Rather than confront it directly, she and others in her administration have tried to downplay the controversy and deny its scale.

On the one hand, jay thinks delay is within reason, but, on the other hand, disappointing.

Just_Me

February 25th, 2011
8:49 am

As someone who teaches (having surgery later today, no comments about why I am not there doing my job, thanks), I can attest: the NCLB has foisted this panic mode with regard to teaching.

Since that mess of a law was enacted, the climate in every school has changed. Not in the tested curriculum? Not worth teaching/learning.

Pressure is incredible to get kids to make it. Subgroups are targeted. Teachers are piled on with extra work documenting what they are doing to make sure AYP is met (including ‘attendance incentives.” As if something *I* do can force a parent who doesn’t think attending school is valuable enough.)

When the pressure to achieve on these poorly written, non-nationally normed crap tests eases, cheating will go down.

No; I’ve NEVER cheated, or did anything remotely unethical. Do I understand why some people feel they must? Absolutely. It’s wrong. But if you are being PUSHED to show gains, gains that probably won’t come from any other way but erasing answers? Yes. There will be cheating.

Years ago, when the amount of testing-and the “importance” and impact of it (gateway testing? ha), you didn’t hear about teachers erasing and changing answers to ITBS or Stanford.

The reason? Back then, people realized that these are diagnostic tools-not a measure of ‘how much you’ve learned/taught.”

Read recently (can’t remember were) that the CRCT is also supposed to be a diagnostic tool, but was turned into this high stakes mess.

Georgia’s curriculum sucks; that new Math 123 is a dismal failure. The early ed programs are inappropriate, when you know anything about how the human brain develops (labeling kindergartners failures because they can’t read 100 sight words? retaining because they can’t write four sentences? stupid.).

Until the curriculum is looked at, and changed, and mirrors how the human brain develops, plan on sitting at the bottom of the barrel.

Just_Me

February 25th, 2011
8:51 am

*where. not “were.”

Chalk it up to being deprived of food/water lol

Adam

February 25th, 2011
8:55 am

USMC’s “gotcha” feels a bit like when Christine O’Donnell totally got one over on Chris Coons when she said “where is ’separation of church and state’ in the Constitution” as though not having the exact phrase there meant something significant.

Dougle Zero Eight

February 25th, 2011
8:56 am

No one is indispensable. Hall will not be missed.
The only rationale for letting her remian is to save
money. She had no people skills, and made it known
to the peons (teachers), that she was unapproachable.

A strong new leader with people skills is needed.
The best candidate should be selected. This individual
could be black, white yellow or brown. The board should
keep an open mind in its selection process.

@@

February 25th, 2011
8:56 am

When the pressure to achieve on these poorly written, non-nationally normed crap tests eases, cheating will go down.

And when the kids fail anyway? Will there be an outcry to promote the child so they can feel good about themselves?

md

February 25th, 2011
8:57 am

“For Republicans and for a national attempt to bust unions, that would be VERY successful”

If you are going to go there, at least understand what is happening……..the bill has nothing to do whatsoever with private unions, just public unions.

And since you want to play, why do public employees need a union? They work for us and the very people that write the laws…….

Adam

February 25th, 2011
8:57 am

Also, USMC seems to have race envy. He thinks that black people and women enjoy some kind of protection that white men do not or cannot.

md

February 25th, 2011
9:02 am

“Until the curriculum is looked at, and changed, and mirrors how the human brain develops, plan on sitting at the bottom of the barrel.”

No, when the parent/s at home make it a priority, that is when things will change…..until then, it won’t matter what is done outside the home.

Toby

February 25th, 2011
9:02 am

Just gets my vote.

Bevis

February 25th, 2011
9:15 am

Being a white guy just aint what it used to be.

buck@gon

February 25th, 2011
9:17 am

“However, it has been Hall’s dismissive, self-protective reaction to that scandal that has been most disappointing. Rather than confront it directly, she and others in her administration have tried to downplay the controversy and deny its scale.”

Jay,

Rather than “confront it directly.” To me, you are the king of confronting things indirectly–though Civil Cynthia has to be the Empress. Sounds as if you were Hall’s bestest buddy (you and CC) you could have helped her make all this go away without so much as a weekend of news stories. Sounds like your handling of several national issues, including the budget controversy, the union controversy…

What she needed at the time (course, it’s too late now) was polling, showing what people believed and what they didn’t, what lies they could and couldn’t get away with–this is called “wiggle room” or “plausible deniability”. Next, they needed an excuse, such as those “so-and-so Republicans” over there are racists, bigots, homophobes, and hey, I’m only trying to bring enlightenment to their kids who think the world was created in 6 days and that human beings didn’t evolve. This is called “diverting attention” or “flack”–the ol’ “nothing-to-see-here” tapdance. You are a marvel at that WMJay!

Thirdly, it’s all about union-busting; might as well use today’s lingo. The cheaters were unionized teachers, we can say, who were only doing their best to represent their constituents, who wouldn’t have gotten all that federal money if their kids were EMBARRASED (that’s a good word in this instance) by poor test scores. In the end, if we get the money, the story goes, the kids are going to get educated. If not, we can say, its curtains for everyone. Forth, just push’em around. Take your cue from President O: “John, elections have consequences and I WON.” Afterall, Hall is the education test-cheat czar, just like Geithner is the tax cheat czar–sorry, treasury secretary.

This is not a threat, coercion or intimidation; no, it’s just reality. The story goes: everyone’s doing it, and we only want what’s best for the kids. All the other news outlets will back you up. If we can get the racism thing going we’re already well on our way.

I think you’re missing out here WMJay. You want to do the best for yourself, of course, and you could really get a lot more shaking down locals for good news coverage than you are making plodding along with the ajc company line. What’s the difference; it’s the same news, same tactics and the same message you’re using every day now?

Just sell it a little bit better and print brochures!

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
9:18 am

The more this Wisconsin story unfolds, the more that governor looks like an absolute piece of dirt…

getalife

February 25th, 2011
9:18 am

“You are confusing what you would LIKE to be true because it confirms your world view with what is actually true.”

Blinded by ideology.

I see it everyday.

no change

February 25th, 2011
9:20 am

hall will leave with some obscene “severance package”, get some 6 figure job with the obama education dept. and be replaced with some equally as incompetent and corrupt. Nothing changes in atlanta government.

thomas

February 25th, 2011
9:20 am

getalife

February 25th, 2011
9:18 am

Mirror mirror on the wall……….

ok that was too easy, u know you tee’d that one up now!

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
9:21 am

And as usual, Luckovich nails it today…

poison pen

February 25th, 2011
9:22 am

Adam, I don’t want to make this a race issue, but please tell me when was the last time that Jackson, the ACLU, or Sharpton protested over a White man getting fired or treated unfairly.

I have dealt with many different companies during my lifetime and I can tell you for a fact that it is harder to fire Blacks or Women because of the discrimination lawsuits.
I am not a racist just a realist.

ty webb

February 25th, 2011
9:24 am

“The more this Wisconsin story unfolds, the more that governor looks like an absolute piece of dirt…”

shocker! Amvet thinks a republican looks like a “piece of dirt”. I never thought I’d see the day.

poison pen

February 25th, 2011
9:25 am

If anyone else in business was as incopetent as the people that Jay writes about they would be fired in a New York minute, why pay someone who deserves to be fired? how much more damage could be done?

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2011
9:26 am

Walker snorts too much koch. Amvet, quit insulting dirt.

getalife

February 25th, 2011
9:29 am

thomas,

I do not have a ideology.

Don’t believe in being a partisan hack.

Both parties created the mess we are in.

chillywilly

February 25th, 2011
9:32 am

“Funny how you don’t hear about school systems that are 80-90% white being in a dysfunctional mess.”

@Lee – Funny how you don’t hear about black people sexually molesting kids, downloading child porn and going on mass killing sprees.

@@

February 25th, 2011
9:33 am

What are the demographics in APS? If it’s predominantly poor and black, then to delay is racist in my opinion. To see delay as pragmatic is racist.

Racism by consent.

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
9:34 am

shocker! ty makes yet another mindless repost. (And loves GOP corruption and malfeasance?)

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2011
9:34 am

“If anyone else in business was as incopetent as the people that Jay writes about they would be fired in a New York minute”

You wish. What usually happens to incompetents, especially in a big business, is that they get promoted to get them out of the way of the people who ARE getting the work done.

ty webb

February 25th, 2011
9:36 am

Amvet,
I resemble that remark!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 25th, 2011
9:37 am

Good morning all. Why is anyone ever surprised that a government official acts corruptly?

jm

February 25th, 2011
9:39 am

Good meaty subject and of huge importance. People in MacIntosh County “Pray for Sheetrock”.

I’m praying for a good new superintendent. Or a takeover by our mayor (and therefore a good new superintendent).

jm

February 25th, 2011
9:39 am

“On the other hand, it sure would have been nice to hear that kind of anger and outrage from APS leaders directed not at investigators, but at those who chose to change standardized test answers of their students.”

Amen.

big un

February 25th, 2011
9:39 am

The stuck pig squeals the loudest. The union leaders have caused too much trouble because they forgot one important lesson. Pigs get fat, but hogs get slaughtered. (figuratively, Word Police)

poison pen

February 25th, 2011
9:40 am

Doggone, then we should promote her to Obamas staff and make her the head of Education.

thomas

February 25th, 2011
9:40 am

getalife

February 25th, 2011
9:29 am

Oh have a sense of humor!

I wasn’t trying to attack you or say you did.

It was just easy and I thought funny. made me smile!

And hey if we can laugh, smile, tell somone we love them it is a pretty good day if you think about it…

He!! I’m 1/3 of the way there and its not even 10am yet!

Bill Orvis White

February 25th, 2011
9:42 am

Voucherize, voucherize, voucherize. Lazy administrators and teachers in their unions can be put out of business if we simply voucherized.

Why don’t we dissolve the Godless Atlanta Public Screwels and provide vouchers to the city’s residents and they can send their kids anywhere. Also, what about home schooling more of these kids?

We all spend a fortune on education and it hasn’t gotten us anywhere in this once-free nation. DISSOLVE THESE FAILED URBAN SCHOOL DISTRICTS NOW!!!!

Amen,
Bill

poison pen

February 25th, 2011
9:42 am

Ragnar, very true, I needed my morning laugh, thank you.

thomas

February 25th, 2011
9:42 am

BTW,

either the usuals don’t care too much either way about this topic or today may be the most productive day in the history of America….. well atleast since Al Gore invented the internet.

Brad Steel

February 25th, 2011
9:43 am

Hall’s legacy of incompetence, cheating, and corruption is just another example of the endemic cronyism in Atlanta institutions.

Be it the school administration (Atlanta, Clayton Co., take your pick), the Franklin administration’s fecklessness and petty favoritism, the Campbell crimes, the illegal business entitlements at the Airport, or seemingly every Atlanta public institution.

This problem seems far bigger than Beverly Hall, the Atlanta school systems, Franklin, Campbell or H-J airport. There seems to be something fundamentally flaw in the culture of Atlanta’s public administrations.

Anyone else see it that way? Is the flaw-culture assertion wrong?

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
9:43 am

Well, all this will be fixed come 2014 where the NCLB law mandates that all schools are all 100% passing — so that’s good news!

Of course, then what do we do in 2015? That will be the new mediocrity….

….oh criminey.

vince neil

February 25th, 2011
9:43 am

just asking here..but which party (or political orientation in “non partisan” elections) controls the WORST school districts within 60 miles of Atlanta?….crickets chirping???????????

poison pen

February 25th, 2011
9:44 am

Bill. I don’t know about home schooling, half of these parents are dumber than the kids.

SOUTHERN ATL

February 25th, 2011
9:45 am

Atlanta, Clayton County, Dekalb County, Detroit, Washington DC, ad infinitum.

Funny how you don’t hear about school systems that are 80-90% white being in a dysfunctional mess.

This is a very bias statement. There are problems in several places including areas or states that were known in the past for their HARSH racial segregation. Not much has changed except the underhanded way racism is quietly maneuvered.

“Judge Tells Mississippi Schools to Stop Segregating”

Can one be 100% certain that this does NOT occur in Georgia?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/13/us-usa-race-segregation-idUSTRE63C4AJ20100413

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
9:46 am

“We all spend a fortune on education and it hasn’t gotten us anywhere in this once-free nation.”

Only except that is has – we are the strongest nation on Earth in many categories — hug a teacher for that.

getalife

February 25th, 2011
9:48 am

Very good thomas.

Have a great day.

jm

February 25th, 2011
9:49 am

Brad Steel 9:43 – my following statement does not absolve ATL government. But corruption is RAMPANT in plenty of other places in Atlanta. See: Gwinnett, Dekalb, etc

jm

February 25th, 2011
9:50 am

Bosch 9:46 – your statement screams of willful ignorance. We have fallen close to 20th in educational achievement.

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
9:51 am

So, this is my dumb question of the day, but if the government shuts down, do I have to file my income taxes? Just thought I’d ask.

George W

February 25th, 2011
9:51 am

Jay….wow boring comment today. Come on man you can do better

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
9:52 am

jm,

So, do you not think this nation is great? The greatest on Earth? I do, so what’s your problem?

md

February 25th, 2011
9:52 am

“What usually happens to incompetents, especially in a big business, is that they get promoted to get them out of the way of the people who ARE getting the work done.”

Of all the companies I’m familiar with or worked for personally, this was only true when a union existed. Otherwise, it was Johnny meet the Door for the incompetents.

And many of the internet abusers were included in that group………you all checked your company policies on blogging while at work??

carlosgvv

February 25th, 2011
9:53 am

I think most of us know that the majority of people involved in this scandal are “African-Americans”. That’s why Mike Bowers, Bob Wilson and Richard Hyde are moving so slowly. They know that when the spit hits the fan, the cries of “racism” will be loud and shrill.

jm

February 25th, 2011
9:53 am

Jay, if you want to short circuit the nonsense, drama, confusion, disarray, and possible future disaster of APS, then there is one solution. Put Superintendent selection under the mayor, to be approved by the APS board. Simple, clean, done.

If not, APS is likely to wallow in muck for a good long while. No superintendent wants to step into this mess, unless they can enjoy some independence from a school board engaged in civil war and enjoy some flexibility for executive leadership.

We need APS under the mayor!! (with appropriate checks and balances)

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2011
9:53 am

The smart thing for any Republican to take away from all the problems they have observed in the school systems is to take their children and enroll them in private schools such as that Phoenix University or something similar. Do it for your children.

jm

February 25th, 2011
9:54 am

Bosch 9:52 – I believe in American Exceptionalism, if you’re hinting at that. But I also believe the lilliputians are dragging us down, and our future may not include “greatest nation on earth status” if things continue on the current trajectory.

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
9:56 am

Oh look Paul, jm has a “Word of the Day” calendar too!

jm,

Our country is great because we decided around a 100 years ago to make education free for everyone, not just the wealthy land owners — so everything you love about this country is because of our education system. Don’t forget that.

Jay's Brain

February 25th, 2011
9:58 am

Another silly and wasteful fish wrapper sermon from Jay.
Jay, why don’t you spell out the real problem? How did
those on the APS get there? How put them there Jay? And just
how have they EVER been held accountable. The political
machine in the city of Atlanta is not only horrid and putrid it
is also supported every election by the editorial board at AJC.
As long as the inmates run the jails this kind of behavior will
continue.
Wasteful columns after the fact do nothing to help.
But keep acting like you and the AJC board want real
change in Atlanta. Meanwhile, maybe the real citizens of Atlanta
will pull all of their kids out of the silly government schools
and put them in the many well run private schools in Atlanta.
You know, the schools where administrators answer to parents
and also give a damn.
Just another reason for school vouchers. WAKE UP JAY, YOUR BRAIN IS CALLING!

ty webb

February 25th, 2011
9:59 am

“Our country is great because we decided around a 100 years ago to make education free for everyone,…”

ah yes Virginia…there is such a thing as a free lunch.

md

February 25th, 2011
9:59 am

“so everything you love about this country is because of our education system. Don’t forget that.”

And everything we hate about this country usually has something to do with those that choose not to participate in said education system………………

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
9:59 am

And if the government shuts down, who is going to process my son’s passport? Dammit!

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
10:00 am

md,

True, but don’t blame the system.

AmVet

February 25th, 2011
10:01 am

Oops, looks like Pinky and the Brain didn’t heed the facts given to dawg at 8:40.

How embarrassing for him to repeat that idiotic move…

Bosch

February 25th, 2011
10:02 am

ty,

Yes, there is. You can bash public education all you want, but it’s what has progressed our nation to it’s prominence today.

jm

February 25th, 2011
10:03 am

Bosch 10:00 – oh I’ll blame the system all day long…. corrupt teachers buy off corrupt politicians to increase their pay and make them difficult to fire….

Other solutions are needed to turn the aircraft carrier, but that is one among many that must be addressed.

Adam

February 25th, 2011
10:04 am

Adam, I don’t want to make this a race issue, but please tell me when was the last time that Jackson, the ACLU, or Sharpton protested over a White man getting fired or treated unfairly.

But that very statement is all about race.

Really though, it’s like you would expect Democrats to stick up for Scott Walker or something. People look out for their own, whatever they consider their own to be. If we didn’t have this “at will” thing or “Right to work” I seriously doubt the playing field would be as unbalanced as you describe. However, I still think the playing field is more fair than you’re making it out to be. White males don’t have a DISADVANTAGE in the workplace in general. That’s more fact than your observation from a couple of workplaces from what I presume is bosses complaining about how they can’t fire someone. They can if they want to, and no amount of lawsuits change anything unless it changes what “right to work” means.

ty webb

February 25th, 2011
10:04 am

Bosch,
I’m not bashing public education. I just don’t see how it’s considered “free for everyone”.