Where Wisconsin governor leads, few are following

From The Washington Post:

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, whose efforts to curtail the rights of public-employee unions have thrust him into the national spotlight, is pushing other new Republican governors to follow his lead.

He said he communicates regularly with Ohio Gov. John Kasich and has spoken with Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval. And Walker has suggested that his counterparts in Michigan and Florida seek to address their budget problems in part by demanding major concessions from public workers.

“There’s a lot of us new governors that got elected to do something big,” Walker said this week. “This is our moment.”

In Indiana, where Republicans came close to enacting union-busting legislation until Democratic legislators fled the state, GOP leaders are singing a different tune. The bill should never have been introduced — “It was a mistake,” said Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne.

Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, a potential GOP presidential candidate, calls the Democratic tactic of denying Republicans a quorum “perfectly legitimate” and even saluted them for using approach. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who is trying to push changes in collective bargaining law that fall well short of Walker’s proposal, also defended the Democratic tactic, saying that when he was in Congress he might have tried something like that himself depending on the circumstances.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval — cited by Walker as as an ally — has made it clear that he won’t try to ban collective bargaining by local government employees. (Nevada law already outlaws it for state employees.)

In Iowa, Gov. Terry Branstad wants state employees to start sharing in the cost of health insurance, but he says he doesn’t want to push changes of the sort that Walker has pursued.

“This is not Wisconsin,” Branstad said. “It’s Iowa and I’m proud it’s Iowa and we are going to do things that we think make sense to make Iowa more competitive.”

In Florida, where public employees haven’t seen a raise in five years, Gov. Rick Scott says that “as long as people know what they’re doing, collective bargaining is fine.”

In New Jersey, Gov. Chris Christie took a similar stance Wednesday.

“I don’t think that there are a lot of parallels between what’s going on (in Wisconson) and what’s going on in New Jersey. In New Jersey, I’m ready to embrace the collective-bargaining situation, but don’t tell me that I can’t go back to the legislature to undo some of the things that you got done through the legislature.”

The Republican Governors Association is trying to drum up statements of support for Walker, setting up a “Stand With Scott” website. So far, four Republican governors — Rick Perry of Texas, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Haley Barbour of Mississippi and Bob McDonnell of Virginia — have posted general statements of support. While all four laud Walker for trying to reduce spending — “I commend Governor Walker for dealing with government sector wages and benefits,” — Barbour says — none comment directly on collective bargaining.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
7:34 am

The Republican Governors Association is trying to drum up statements of support for Walker, setting up a “Stand With Scott” website.

Yeah, I saw a pop-up ad for them over at Tbogg’s. Hilarious.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
7:35 am

none comment directly on collective bargaining.

So they’re not really “standing with Scott” then, are they?

Normal

February 24th, 2011
7:38 am

This is for my tirade downstairs, but WTH…

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/02/23/political-pictures-the-church-believe/

Now I’ll read this essay…

Normal

February 24th, 2011
7:44 am

Walker has already proven that he’s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier by being taken by that bogus Koch caller. I think that, more than anything else has caused the other Governors to do a face slap and back away from him. As Bugs Bunny would say…”What a maroon”.

Paul

February 24th, 2011
7:48 am

So much for the line Republicans all follow blindly.

Gov Christie’s “don’t tell me that I can’t go back to the legislature to undo some of the things that you got done through the legislature” brings up an interesting point. The automatic response we hear from police, firefighter and other unions or groups is ‘a contract is a contract.’ Granted, that’s at the local level, but isn’t the concept the same? Does this mean there may be a chink in the armor of ‘once we have an agreement, there is no discussion”?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 24th, 2011
7:49 am

Well, it’s just a shame they’re raising such a stink about a godly Republican guvner that wants to take us back to the good old days, 1880 or so, when we never had to worry about unions. Back then, the husband, wife and kids all got up and went to work. It wasn’t but 12 hrs. or so a day and you never had this namby-pamby weekend off or sick days or holidays or vacations and nonsense like that. That was when the U.S. of A. was a great country. Now we’re all soft and act like it’s a big deal to work long hrs. for low pay. We’ll never catch up with China like that.

And the teachers–back then we knew how to deal with them. They had to get a community OK to go out with somebody or get married or just about anything. You never seen them driving around in a new car with a liscence tag that said “Educator” and a picture of a big apple. They done what we told them to do and they never cost much at all.

The sooner we get rid of unions the sooner we’ll go back to being great again.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

Paul

February 24th, 2011
7:50 am

Normal

Good news on the knees. Had a call from one of my sons yesterday – twins entered the world in fine condition. Sent’em a couple cases of diapers – 500 to a case. He said it’d last about two weeks!

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
7:50 am

“Does this mean there may be a chink in the armor of ‘once we have an agreement, there is no discussion”?”

Anyone who thinks a contract can’t be re-negotiated is living in a dream world…but the key is re-NEGOTIATED. An arbitrary change by one signatory to that contract is not negotiation.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
7:52 am

“Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, a potential GOP presidential candidate, calls the Democratic tactic of denying Republicans a quorum “perfectly legitimate” and even saluted them for using approach.”

So it’s perfectly legitimate to run away from duties like little chicken shyts? No no sweetheart. The Dems who ran and hid should be ousted. I can just imagine the hell raised by the left if Republicans did this.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
7:53 am

Walker has already proven that he’s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier by being taken by that bogus Koch caller.

actually, I think he’s handling this pretty well, politically. He got out in front of it, address the issue in a presser, and he can legitimately claim that he didn’t tell “phony Dave” anything he hasn’t already said in public. There’s no Perry Mason / smoking gun moment in the tape, from what I’ve heard.

Still, it’s never good to get punked, his willingness to spend 20 minutes on the phone with a contributor stands in stark contrast with his unwillingness to negotiate in any way with organized labor, doesn’t put him in a good light and this is still a net loss for him.

And for me (I’ll say it again) it’s his jaw-dropping bit about claiming that Reagan’s firing of the PATCO workers was part of the greater fight against Soviet totalitarianism, that SHOULD be the thing that gets him in hot water. Our Villagers, however, will see to it that nobody’s beatiful mind is troubled by such things.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
7:54 am

…or even their BEAUTIFUL minds…

Normal

February 24th, 2011
7:54 am

Paul,
Great news!!
Twins!! How many Grand kids do you have now? At two a pop, you’ll be cathcing up with me pretty darn quick!

Midori

February 24th, 2011
7:54 am

can’t we just oust you instead, Peadawg?

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2011
7:55 am

and now there are questions about Walkers use of the state patrol, ethics, election and labor law violations…..

few will follow.

Normal

February 24th, 2011
7:56 am

Stands,
Good point.

Midori

February 24th, 2011
7:56 am

Paul,

they were all following blindly until the lead idiot got punked.

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2011
7:57 am

Paul

Congratulations!

I bet you are a wonderful Grandpop….

You sir are blessed!

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
7:57 am

“can’t we just oust you instead, Peadawg?” – Seeing as I don’t run and hide with my tail between my legs like a chicken shyt, nope y’all can’t.

Normal

February 24th, 2011
7:57 am

Did sprout puppy lose his binkie? Sorry, couldn’t resist…

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
7:58 am

Does this mean there may be a chink in the armor of ‘once we have an agreement, there is no discussion”?

Paul, everything is negotiable.

In NJ (remember, I’m from that part of the planet), though, I want people to remember — and the media NEVER brings this up — that the seeds for their fiscal woes were planted back when then-Gov. Florio, in order to comply with a court order to make the state’s school funding less dependent upon property taxes, oversaw a modest rise in income taxes.

The usual shrieking and “Dump Florio” movement began immediately, and his GOP successor, Christie Whitman, decided to “find” money by monkeying around with pension funds.

It was a time bomb waiting to go off, and it’s gone off, and now Chris Christie is trying to look like some tough guy for telling the people who’d been screwed long ago “hey guess what? you’re screwed even worse than you thought!”

ByteMe

February 24th, 2011
7:58 am

Paul, congratulations!

BTW, the math is 72 per week per child for the first couple of months. So they’ll be gone in about 7 weeks…. just in time to move to the next size….

Midori

February 24th, 2011
7:59 am

No Peadawg – you just hide behind your monitor.

StJ

February 24th, 2011
8:01 am

These Democrats acting like petulant children (running away if something comes up for a vote that they don’t agree with) is complete bullshiite. They should be impeached and replaced with people that will do their jobs.

If you don’t agree with something, vote “no”. If the voters don’t like the other people that voted “yes”, they also have the option to vote “no” in the next attempted re-election.

How freaking complicated is that?

Midori

February 24th, 2011
8:02 am

and Peadawg – if the roles were reversed, and it were the Republicans who left the state rather than be subjected to unfair and unjust legislation, you’d be ready to pin medals on them.

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:03 am

“So it’s perfectly legitimate to run away from duties like little chicken shyts?”

Certainly it’s legitimate. They are helping to do one of the jobs they were “hired” to do: stop the passage of bad legislation.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
8:04 am

“So you’re adopting our Deep Throat’s (he who has Greatness thrust into him) favorite riff?” – Yup, why not? It describes them perfectly.

And no Midori, I wouldn’t be defending Republicans if they did this. Atleast vote for the damn bill either way…why run away from the vote?

Normal

February 24th, 2011
8:05 am

Doggone,
Aye, there lies the rub…

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:06 am

“They should be impeached and replaced with people that will do their jobs.”

But they ARE doing their jobs. Voting “No” isn’t much use if you know it’s not going to stop the passage of a bad bill. And that’s what quorum rules are FOR – to deny a small majority the ability to railroad bills through.

Normal

February 24th, 2011
8:06 am

Sprout Puppy,

why run away from the vote?

Because it is bad legislation, like Doggone said.

TaxPayer

February 24th, 2011
8:06 am

Those other Republican governors all stand behind Walker. In fact, I’m sure that in private, they would each say, “he’s one of us,” about Walker. As for putting themselves alongside Walker in that hot seat, well, they’re Republicans in positions of power and they are not going to make blatant moves to get themselves politically damaged so early in their moments of glory. Besides, the Kochs would be so upset with them for doing so that they would just get all shook up and spew all over them. It would be a sticky mess to clean up.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
8:07 am

“They are helping to do one of the jobs they were “hired” to do: stop the passage of bad legislation.” – LMAO! That’s exactly what the GOP was ding when y’all were calling them the “Party of No”.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:08 am

Yup, why not? It describes them perfectly.

Then would you be consistent and acknowledge that GOP senators, by your standards, were “cowards” for continually denying us an up-or-down vote on literally hundreds of bills that had been legitimately debated (and passed by the House of Representatives)?

Not asking if you think it was right, wrong, or whatever. Just whether that too was “cowardly,” since you seem so eager to toss that term around.

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:08 am

“And no Midori, I wouldn’t be defending Republicans if they did this.”

And I would. I might not agree with them that a particular bill is bad, but I would applaud their stand. It’s part of the political process. Just as it is now.

“Atleast vote for the damn bill either way…why run away from the vote?”

A symbolic vote that is not going to stop the bill is no vote at all. Since they feel so strongly that the bill is bad, they ARE voting…with their feet.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
8:09 am

stands @ 8:08, did those GOP Senators run away to a different state?

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:11 am

“That’s exactly what the GOP was ding when y’all were calling them the “Party of No”.”

And you REALLY can’t see the difference between taking a stand on a bad bill and simply stopping virtually EVERY bill? And using SECRET holds is not exactly putting your self up as a model of political virtue, is it? It’s hiding behind the process. At least with these Dem legislators we KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

JKL2

February 24th, 2011
8:12 am

Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, a potential GOP presidential candidate, calls the Democratic tactic of denying Republicans a quorum “perfectly legitimate” and even saluted them for using approach

So does this mean the Demwits try to ram something stupid like obamacare down our throats we just need to have all the Republicans take a trip to the Bahamas for a couple weeks till the whole thing blows over? Brilliant!

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:13 am

did those GOP Senators run away to a different state?

they didn’t have to. They were, instead, using a tool at their disposal to obstruct what one might call “the will of the people”. many, many more times than it had ever been used before.

But you know all this, so I will ask once again–were they cowards?

Keep up the good fight!

February 24th, 2011
8:14 am

Doggone, absolutely. They love to use the rules to stop legislation — the filibuster, the blocked legislation. No one called the Senate Republicans on that at the federal level. But now that it is at the state level and using the quorum rule to stop the legislation they want it is “shyt”. They also don’t mention the governor “cramming the bill down” anyone’s throat.

Politics…… so often like driving by a bad car wreck after being in traffic for an extra hour. Hard not to look as frustrating as it can be.

kayaker 71

February 24th, 2011
8:14 am

So what’s your answer Libs? Pretend that you are in Walker’s seat and you need to cut 3.5B from the state budget to become solvent. What would you do? Or is that question so offensive to you that it promotes no dialogue except name calling and false accusations? Would you raise taxes…. would you borrow more money from the federal government to meet your shortfall? Enlighten us, as our host would say.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:14 am

try to ram something stupid like obamacare down our throats

most Americans supported, and continue to support, most of the provisions of the ACA. Stop pretending otherwise.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
8:15 am

“And you REALLY can’t see the difference between taking a stand on a bad bill and simply stopping virtually EVERY bill?” – They were doing what they were voted in to do, which was stop Pelosi and Obama.

“political virtue” – Someone that defends people that literally run away from their jobs talking about political virtue…there’s a good one!

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:16 am

Pretend that you are in Walker’s seat and you need to cut 3.5B from the state budget to become solvent. What would you do?

I’d get concessions from the parties involved, as those parties have already offered to do, in order to get my budget in balance (and I’d probably find some additional revenue stream through some kind of higher taxes somewhere, since sooner or later they’ll have to be increased).

I wouldn’t be waging some neo-Reaganite jihad against organized labor.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:17 am

No one called the Senate Republicans on that at the federal level.

well no, lots of people did. We just didn’t call them “cowards,” that I can recall.

Obstructionist a-holes? sure.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
8:17 am

“But you know all this, so I will ask once again–were they cowards?” – You answered that question for yourself. They didn’t run away to another state stomping their feet in a hissy.

Mick

February 24th, 2011
8:20 am

yaker

One thing I wouldn’t be doing is delivering more tax cuts when there is a budget shortfall…

Normal

February 24th, 2011
8:20 am

Stomping their feet in a hissy…OMG!

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:20 am

“What would you do?”

Well, one thing *I* would not do is push for legislation DROPPING TAXES in my first month in office.

Keep up the good fight!

February 24th, 2011
8:21 am

SDb, you are correct. I meant to say No ONE on the Republican side.

Mick

February 24th, 2011
8:21 am

peadawg

It is a political tactic and nothing more. Kind of like a filibuster, the minority denying the majority, get it?

Normal

February 24th, 2011
8:22 am

Kayaker,
Me? I’d raise taxes. It’s going to have to be done country wide and soon anyway. I’d be a man and be the first to do it.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:23 am

They didn’t run away to another state stomping their feet in a hissy.

I’m not sure why you seem to think it’s cowardly to forego pay, and your usual place-to-sleep, in order to stand in solidarity with men and women who are being screwed by a lunatic Governor. I guess I’m done trying to figure that out.

I also recognize that you’re not willing to acknowledge that by your own standards, the GOP US senators were cowards.

buck@gon

February 24th, 2011
8:24 am

I’m not certain about it, but Barbour, Jindal, McDonnel and Perry, I suppose, govern in right-to-work states, meaning that unions have far less inherent power to shut down government anyway, because there is competition, that is, employees have the choice to join unions or not.

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:24 am

I’d be a man and be the first to do it.

You’d be a man, but you wouldn’t be the first…

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0112/Illinois-tax-increase-why-lawmakers-passed-66-percent-income-tax-hike

Peadawg

February 24th, 2011
8:24 am

“It is a political tactic and nothing more. Kind of like a filibuster, the minority denying the majority, get it?” – Run away chicken shyts! Run away!!!

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2011
8:24 am

anyway, gotta go produce. Later, kids.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 24th, 2011
8:26 am

JAY

“The funny thing is, Scout now has his example of what the Tenth Amendment outlaws….”

SOME THOUGHTS:

1) This issue is so important I have always supported a Constitutional Amendment route.
2) In this case the judge and the 10th Amendment are right …….. leave it to the states.
3) However, one federal judge does not a Constitutional issue make or Obamacare is also out the window.
4) In my opinion, the Supreme Court (after the appellate decision) will have to re-establish federal jurisdiction on this or their past (and future) abuse and ignoring of the 10th Amendment will be in doubt.
5) As a case in point, a knucklehead federal judge just ruled that “mental activity” (aka “thought”) is covered by the “Commerce Clause”.
6) I’m still waiting for your “mental activity” on that ruling as per my earlier post below …………………
0311/0317 – 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

JAY !!!

Regarding our continuing debate on the meaning of the 10th Amendment, a Clinton appointee federal district court judge in Washington (a slave owner by the way) D.C. has ruled that Congress Can Regulate “MENTAL ACTIVITY (emphasis added)” Under Commerce Clause.

Now I submit to you the following:

1) She should never have been appointed.
2) That reasoning under a plain reading of the 10th Amendment is idiotic.
3) That reasoning if upheld would make the 10th Amendment null and void.
4) Making an Amendment null and void without further amending it or abolishing it is Constitutional treason.

Your thoughts ……………………..

oldtimer

February 24th, 2011
8:27 am

Unions do not belong in the public sector…

kayaker 71

February 24th, 2011
8:29 am

From all of the comments so far, the only consensus is “raising taxes down the line somewhere”, or “I wouldn’t lower taxes during a budget shortfall”. 3.5B is a lot of money. You’re going to have to do better than that. Come on, libs. Show us your true leadership in this fiscal crisis. Be specific.

larry

February 24th, 2011
8:30 am

I see no difference in what Democrats are doing at the state level and what the Republicans were doing at the federal level. They are/were using tools to stop bills from being advanced and voted on. So when you call one ” chicken shyts” you are actually calling them both ” chicken shyts” .

All this is about is to strip unions of their power in time for the 2012 elections so that the so-called ” Chamber of Commerce” and other groups like Karl Rove can run roughshot over them .

Mick

February 24th, 2011
8:33 am

yaker

OK, raise taxes in three tiers, everybody pays something….lower, middle and upper, taxed according to income and then sunset when economy recovers..

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2011
8:35 am

“Many years ago, Donald Trump suggested a one-time wealth tax of 14.25 percent on all Americans worth more than $10 million to wipe out the entire federal debt at the time, amounting to $5.7 trillion.”

Agence Global

Now there’s an idea to expand on…..

The Price is Right

February 24th, 2011
8:35 am

I could give those Democrats a few lessons on the outlandish use of I Object for a nominal tax-exempt fee.

kayaker 71

February 24th, 2011
8:35 am

Forget Karl Rove, the evil Republicans, the Democrat chicken shyts, global warming, the Chamber of Commerce….. you are all dancing around the problem. Except for raising taxes, which is about the only thing that libs know how to do, how would you correct this shortfall?

Keep up the good fight!

February 24th, 2011
8:36 am

Sdb…back to the Koch prank call. Walker did admit that they “considered” planting people in the crowds to cause trouble and did not try to dissaude “Koch” from doing it.

Gordon

February 24th, 2011
8:37 am

You can deny all you want, but things are finally moving in the right direction. What starts out as just one governor will eventually include more and more. I say this not because I pretend to know which way the political winds will blow, but because unions, especially public sector unions, must either be broken or changed radically in order for states to survive. States must actually pay their bills unlike the federal government. Eventually reality will hit there as well.

OedipusTax

February 24th, 2011
8:38 am

“Few follow the Wisonsin governor?” Shows us just how delusional this mediocre columnist is from the AJC! I don’t bother to comment often on the idiocy of AJC columnists, so I won’t waste my time saying much else. Nobosy with any sense reads these silly clowns anyway. Anytime the AJC gets to discuss anything else but football, they look foolish, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

USinUK

February 24th, 2011
8:39 am

“! I don’t bother to comment often on the idiocy of AJC columnists, so I won’t waste my time saying much else. Nobosy with any sense reads these silly clowns anyway. Anytime the AJC gets to discuss anything else but football, they look foolish, ridiculous, and irrelevant.”

… and yet … here you are

:roll:

The Price is Right

February 24th, 2011
8:40 am

Come on, libs. Show us your true leadership in this fiscal crisis. Be specific.

I Object.

You Republicans got elected to fix this and now you want the Democrats to take the lead and show you how to lead, probably since the Republicans are so incompetent. Do your own dirty work and pay the Price for doing so.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 24th, 2011
8:40 am

oldtimer :

Precisely !

I worked in federal law enforcement for 34 years.

We never had a union and would never have been allowed to have one or “wildcat strike” as the knucklehead air traffic controllers tried to do years ago.

What gives other public employees the right to have special “union” privileges.

As civil employees in law enforcement our job was to SERVE the citizens of the United States (and with our lives if necessary).

Congress and State Legislatures should decide all pay and benefits for civil “servants” not collective bargaining.

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2011
8:41 am

Except for?

Why except for?

Cutting taxes during two unfunded wars made some folks a whole lot o’ bucks….there was no “except for” on that.

pam

February 24th, 2011
8:41 am

he won’t talk to his constituents but he’ll talk to the koch brothers, he’s a kochsukker

kayaker 71

February 24th, 2011
8:42 am

How about our host? Got any answers, Bookman? You always come up with some “can’t fail” idea to put things in perspective. Throw ideologies aside and concentrate on the budget shortfall. What would you do to correct this?

USinUK

February 24th, 2011
8:43 am

“Congress and State Legislatures should decide all pay and benefits for civil “servants” not collective bargaining”

yeah. because teachers should be able to afford luxuries like food and shelter

carlosgvv

February 24th, 2011
8:44 am

When money is tight and you are in power, the last person to suffer is the one with the most clout. If Gov. Walker had any integrity at all, he would look at his bloated staff and state worker payroll and reduce salaries and jobs. Needless to say, this will never happen.

USinUK

February 24th, 2011
8:44 am

kayaker – you mean the WI budget shortfall that didn’t exist until it was created by the business tax cuts?

that budget shortfall?

kayaker 71

February 24th, 2011
8:45 am

The Price is Right,

You don’t have any answers either, do you? Some silly comment about Republicans doesn’t a problem solve. Is this all you’ve got?

Paul

February 24th, 2011
8:45 am

Doggone/GA

Good point about the renegotiation – thanks. What that tells me is when I hear the ‘a contract is a contract’ what is meant is “we do not want to negotiate this.” That’s when problems happen.

Normal

How many? Who was that guy on tv who said “would you believe…” This makes 11. Another son, with a one-year-old, having another (girl) in another month so it’ll be a dozen. Think that’ll about do it.

Hi Midori!!!

Granny

Thanks so much. I have fun with those kids. Couple of the kids in law are/were wound a little tight so I have fun. Have a tradition when the kids would come over I’d make’em a Shirley Temple (ginger ale with grenadine and a cherry). So one of’em’s mom comes to collect her, walks into the kitchen as her daughter’s pushing her glass across the counter and says “hit me again, barkeep!” ‘course, mom shot me a look –

Stands

Good perspective and history on NJ from one who was there.

ByteMe

Okay, I’ll get another couple cases on order! 144 diapers a week, wow…..

larry

There’s another element to this besides power. Money. As I understand it, one of the things the gov wants to do is to stop having the state collect and process union dues. Make paying them voluntary. It’s been speculated that will cause dues collections to drop dramatically, and that translates to less money to push political causes, which in turn means less power.

There’s always a hidden agenda.

Mick

February 24th, 2011
8:46 am

usinuk

Top of the morning or afternoon, no matter, have a great day….

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 24th, 2011
8:48 am

decibels:

From last night …………..

If you can’t see the world as a whole and the HUGE difference in the volume of crimes/terrorism as well as individual so called “Christians” vs. numerous organized Islamist groups then you are truly BLIND.

USinUK

February 24th, 2011
8:48 am

Hi Mick – and greetings from sunny, almost-warm London!

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2011
8:50 am

Paul

My momma made Shirley Temples for us ….Hadn’t thought about that sweetness in years.

Thanks.

Normal American

February 24th, 2011
8:50 am

Union workers in general (and government workers in particular) are almost always underachieving and lazy. They’ve traded hard work and opportunity for cushy jobs and a nearly 100% guarantee that they will have their jobs forever. I can’t stand them. Cut ‘em all loose!

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 24th, 2011
8:50 am

USinUK :

1) That’s baloney and you know it.

2) No one “forced” them to be teachers.

3) Their pay and benefits should still be decided by legislative action only (just as mine were).

kayaker 71

February 24th, 2011
8:51 am

US in UK,

Blame it on “business tax cuts”? You’ve got to do better than that. Except for raising taxes to produce more of a deficit, what would you do to correct this problem? Borrow more of other peoples money from the federal government? Yeah, that’ll do it.

poison pen

February 24th, 2011
8:52 am

I think in the real World if the average person ran away from their jobs they would be fired.

Bob

February 24th, 2011
8:53 am

Yeah, he got tricked by a prank, that means Wisconsin faces no deficit.

Jay

February 24th, 2011
8:54 am

Yes, kayaker, let’s be specific.

According to the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the $3.6 billion projected deficit for the 2011-2013 budget cycle (Wisconsin budgets on a two-year cycle) is based on just that, projections.

Wisconsin state agencies have requested $3.9 billion in INCREASED spending over that two-year cycle, a jump of 6.2 percent in these tight times. That’s where this projected “deficit” comes from. (Source: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/2011-13%20Budget/Agency%20Request/tableofcontents.htm See Table 1.)

Agency requests are seldom granted in full, and often rejected altogether. In 2009-2011, for example, Wisconsin agencies sought a 9.2 percent increase, but got an actual decrease.

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2011
8:54 am

there’s your sign…..except for raising taxes…..

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:55 am

“What that tells me is when I hear the ‘a contract is a contract’ what is meant is “we do not want to negotiate this.” That’s when problems happen.”

Sure that’s what it means, but to a great extent it depends on the contract. A contract can be written to include renegotiation, or it can be written to explicitly exclude it for the duration of the contract. So it’s very much a situational judgement call. But it’s the not even TRYING that approach that is so particularly stupid.

But Scott Walker already has a history of trying to railroad a public service union out of existence, so it’s no surprise he’s trying it again.

Paul

February 24th, 2011
8:55 am

Normal American

“(and government workers in particular) are almost always underachieving and lazy. They’ve traded hard work and opportunity for cushy jobs and a nearly 100% guarantee that they will have their jobs forever. I can’t stand them. Cut ‘em all loose!”

Well, I guess that’s one way to cut the size of the military.

But, Normal American, I wouldn’t advise going up to a SEAL and telling him he’s a lazy underachiever.

Then again, maybe I would recommend it….

USinUK

February 24th, 2011
8:56 am

03 – you’re right – no one forced them to be teachers. but they ARE teachers – and, just like any other industry, they have the right to negotiate for their pay and benefits.

kayaker – when you’re in a financial hole, you don’t reduce your income.

Normal

February 24th, 2011
8:56 am

Scout,
I left some reading material for you and Del downstairs this morning about other views of last night. Educate yourself some…if you dare.

cosby smith

February 24th, 2011
8:56 am

Others are whimps….Walker has the backbone to make the tough decisions and others seem to worry about their political future. It is time to rein in the Unions in the public sector before every political enterprise goes into forclosure and Walker is the only one with backbone. The unions, sure they love public emoployees where they can collect money to buy elected officials and control all while living the good life on the backs of their workers. No more than a Mafia mentality and you Jay, support such..stupid, just plain sutpid

Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2011
8:58 am

“As I understand it, one of the things the gov wants to do is to stop having the state collect and process union dues”

That “collection and processing” is no different from having your check electronically deposited in your checking account, or paying your income and SS taxes. It’s an allocation, just like any other and it has NOTHING to do with deflating the state’s debt. It’s a convenience offered to the EMPLOYEE and nothing else.

JG

February 24th, 2011
8:58 am

sooo? Walker is doing what he was elected to do in his state. I would expect the other Governors to do the same. Different states, different problems, different solutions. For the other Governors to meddle in Wisconsin would be like the President meddleing, unacceptable. Each need to answer to their constituents and deal with teir own problems, not someone elses.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 24th, 2011
8:59 am

I have a great idea !

The FBI, ATF, Secret Service, U.S. Customs, Border Patrol, Federal Prison guards, etc, etc., etc., should have the right to “collective bargaining” and if they don’t like what the American people give them through their elected Representative in Congress then they can sick out, mob around the U.S. Capitol and strike if necessary.

All in favor say aye !

Normal

February 24th, 2011
9:00 am

Normal American’s assertion that “Union workers in general (and government workers in particular) are almost always underachieving and lazy.” shows only his ignorance. Normal American is only normal on the far right while listening to Fox news’ Glenn Beck’s Doomsday Hour.

Repeat Bugs Bunny slogan here…

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 24th, 2011
9:00 am

USinUK:

See my 8:59

Normal:

I can hardly wait ……………… :o

Out for awhile but will reply after I review it.

Normal

February 24th, 2011
9:01 am

Freedom to assemble, no matter who, is the American way, Scout.

khc

February 24th, 2011
9:02 am

wisconsin gov reportedly a c student in college that he did not finish…he’d fit right in here