In Florida, chilling testimony against guns on campus
From The St. Petersburg Times:
Sen. Greg Evers this morning postponed discussion of a controversial gun bill (SB 234) that, among other things, would allow people to carry weapons onto college campuses after the father of a killed Florida State University student showed up to oppose the bill at a Senate committee hearing.
Ashley Cowie, a 20-year-old sophomore studying interior design, was killed January 9, 2011 at a fraternity party when another student accidentally discharged a rifle, according to police. Dr. Robert Cowie described the incident during emotional testimony, telling the Senate Criminal Justice Committee that a bullet from an AK-74 went through his daughter’s chest and struck a second student. He held back tears as he said how Ashley’s identical twin sister Amy tried to perform CPR at the party to keep her alive. Amy was “looking at the whole in her sister’s chest with blood gushing from her mouth and she knew she was already dead,” Cowie said. “But she felt compelled to do something.”
Alcohol was found in the system of the shooter, 20-year-old Evan Wilhelm, police said.
“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk,” Cowie told senators. “Would you feel more or less at risk today if I were carrying a gun?”
Guns on college campuses — where combinations of young people, drugs and alcohol are common — are a bad idea. As Dr. Cowie notes:
“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk. Each young man in that fraternity that knew that weapons were present and had been brandished in the past will have to live with the guilt that they could have prevented this tragedy.”
Cowie’s testimony succeeded in delaying, but probably not preventing, passage of the bill. However, if you want evidence of the overwhelming power of the National Rifle Association, it’s hard to beat this one, also out of Florida:
“A controversial gun bill, strongly backed by the National Rifle Association and strongly opposed by doctors, passed through the Senate Criminal Justice Committee Tuesday morning.
SB 432 would not allow doctors to ask patients whether they own a gun. An offending doctor would be charged $10,000 for the first offense, at least $25,000 for the second offense, and a minimum of $100,000 for the third offense. Psychologists and psychiatrists dealing with emergency psychotic episodes would be exempt.
The bill, sponsored by Sen. Greg Evers, R-Baker, passed 4-1. Sen. Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland was absent, but Sen. Andy Gardiner, R-Orlando voted as an ex-officio member. Sen. Gwen Margolis, D-Sunny Isles cast the lone dissenting vote.
Doctors turned out in force to oppose the measure, saying it hampers their ability to evaluate patient safety…
But Marian Hammer, a National Rifle Association lobbyist and former national president, said doctors are pushing an anti-gun agenda on their patients and intruding on their Second Amendment rights.
“A growing political agenda is being carried out in examination rooms,” Hammer said. “It has become about the politics of some medical doctors, and it has to stop.”
Doctors can’t even ask about gun ownership? A $10,000 fine for simply daring to raise the question?
Really now.
– Jay Bookman
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774 comments Add your comment
Dusty
February 24th, 2011
5:09 pm
Of course, BADA BING…”Real men don’t take home ec.” RIGHT! They go to Cordon Bleu school of culinary arts and make the best bouillabaisse ever. Ahhhh sooo.
Which reminds me…time to warm leftovers. I mean fix dinner excellente’…..Enjoy your evening..
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
5:11 pm
And I’m under 40. By the time I’m 65, I’ll have 320 years worth of savings at the max SS payout rate, even if I never save another dime.
Go learn the difference between reality and wishful thinking. And learn some math while you’re at it.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
5:12 pm
BADA BING @ 4:54
You crack me up
By the way, how long do you think it would take one of those little Sikh boys to find a way to get that knife out ?
This is a pathetic example of a double standard and I am betting someone sues over it.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:12 pm
josef….really? They wouldn’t let boys take it, even if they wanted to. At least in my High School.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
5:12 pm
Bing…when you show me an automatic hammer that can kill 30 people in a minute or two, come back. Otherwise it is just silly.
Lets talk real issues: CLOSE THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
5:13 pm
BADA BING:
P.S.
The knife is to be “dull”.
Ever had a “dull knife” stuck in your eye? It probably hurts worse.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
5:13 pm
“remove the source or ignition point for all the crappy legislation, which is campaign funds…..”
ergo – union busting.
Leads to an interesting though. If unions incorporate, they would be able to fund limitless campaign ads based on the Citizens United ruling. You may actually be onto something, jm. Wait until I pass that thought up the chain.
That’s where employee benefits are creating long-term budget problems. Total unfunded pension and healthcare liabilities could be as much as $3.5 trillion.
Once again, unions did not vote in passing or denying the legislation that created those problems. They’re guilty by association at best, but the budget problems are due to politicians.
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:13 pm
Obama might be the worst president of all time….
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
5:14 pm
jm:
Might ???
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:15 pm
Price 5:11 – get a clue. cheers folks. 2012 is getting closer by the day.
Soco – unions already put hundreds of millions into campaigns. They haven’t had any problem spending money to manipulate their paymasters
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
5:16 pm
Real Scooter
I grew up around guns, and love them quite a bit. I refuse to join the NRA because of their political stances on sensible legislation that does nothing to limit constitutional rights. I don’t contribute to my union’s PAC because I don’t think I should have to pay for a vote. If someone want’s to represent me in any office, I think it’s up to them to sell themselves to me, and not for me to buy them.
Be back later………
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
5:16 pm
AmVet
Good. You’re here. I wanted to respond to a post of yours last p.m. after I checked out. You quoted
“Pew found…. American Jews, meanwhile, are nearly three times as likely to disagree with the movement than agree with it.”
and commented…
“My tribe rocks…”
I wonder, though, how much of that is an actual disagreement with the tea party in and of itself, and now much is our natural and understandable knee-jerk reaction to any popular movement prone to public congregation in mass numbers…
I know that well before I took a closer look at who they are and what they say is their ideology and program of action, my radar went up in a highly negative fashion…
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:16 pm
Scout 5:14 – well, at least in the last 100 years for sure.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
5:17 pm
PJ
February 24th, 2011
5:00 pm
Dang PJ,I did ask you a specific question! Quit dancing around it or just never mind like I said before.Whew!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
5:17 pm
unions already put hundreds of millions into campaigns. They haven’t had any problem spending money to manipulate their paymasters
The same can be said for corporations and businessmen. If unions incorporate, then everybody’s on a level playing field when it comes to campaign funding.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
5:17 pm
Scout Zero… I backed up my words with fact. You lied. Sorry you cant stand the truth.
Tell me do you think those of the Isalm faith don’t take your attacks personally? How about the gays in the military? Stop the hate posts, lies and distortions in your “debates”. Its not real debate.
Yes, I would imagine when you are losing the debate of facts you have to resort to physical violence.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:17 pm
Keep it Simple……30 hammer toting people can kill 30 people in 10 seconds, you stop being silly.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
5:17 pm
Price 5:11 – get a clue.
That you’re snot-nosed. I got that clue real early in your string of posts.
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
5:18 pm
“They’re guilty by association”
Rather, they’re guilty by INITIATION, which is worse. Unions share EQUAL blame in this game, not just associative. They are the ones threatening to shut down (fill in the blank).
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:19 pm
jm
How much coffee do you drink? You are all over the place from day to day, except your hatred for unions, that is crystal clear….
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
5:19 pm
“Obama might be the worst president of all time….”
MIGHT????… There is only Carter and Obama to chose from:-)
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
5:21 pm
SoCo
I’m pretty much like you on guns and the NRA….
BADA
It was kind of interesting when our school did that…well before the pc crowd came in…prior to that it had not let girls in wood shop or boys in home ec even if they wanted to…the curriculum was based on a the idea of life’s skills. The fourth quarter was “parenting…”
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:22 pm
USMC / Scout – bad choice of words. Replace “might be” with “is”. I was trying to be generous. Of course, while Obama is at the head of the pack, Nixon and Carter come in closely behind him.
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:23 pm
Mick 5:19 – the truth hurts doesn’t it. when you read about your failed liberal agenda
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:23 pm
usmc
Please… don’t forget the last guy, eight long, long years of him; may you suffer the same fate with the current one…
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
5:23 pm
Take a hike !
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
5:23 pm
Bing, yep. But unlikely to get 30 people to do that in most circumstances. So again since no one is talking about banning guns, what is wrong with:
Extending Brady Background checks to all Gun Sales, including Gun SHows
Closing the “Terror Gap” to deny firearms to Terrorist
Prohibiting Gun Possession by Violent Misdemenants and Persons convicted of violent acts as juveniles
Give ATF stronger authority to enforce the laws against corrupt dealers
Require Gun Owners to report lost or stolen guns
These are only a few of the sensible provision proposed by the Brady Campaign.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
5:24 pm
Last time I checked, it was Republicans threatening to shut down the government. They won’t do it. They’re all talk, no action.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:24 pm
jm
There are now possibly trillions of stars out there, your version of what is your truth is quite meaningless to me…..
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
5:24 pm
Scout Zero…you sure have a short fuse today. I did my hike earlier. Now you are not trying to limit my constitutional right to free speech are you? I mean that would be sacred, right?
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:25 pm
Mick 5:24 – lay off the dope
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
5:26 pm
“except your hatred for unions, that is crystal clear….”
From the guy that spews hate… (Hate George Bush, Hate Sarah Palin, bla, bla, bla)
Typical Condescending, Liberal Hypocrite who thinks he is more intelligent than everyone but isn’t and is always on the wrong side of the issues.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:26 pm
jm
Only if you stop acting like one…..
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:26 pm
Obama is a loser…. got luck in 2008. Not to be repeated.
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
5:27 pm
“There are now possibly trillions of stars out there, your version of what is your truth is quite meaningless to me…..”
As I was saying…
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:27 pm
josef….I raised my son by myself after losing my wife at an early age, in an auto accident. I wish that I had the Home Ec skills, as I had to learn them in the real world. It would have been easier on me when I had to to everything myself, as the Father and Mother.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:28 pm
usmc
Gee, mr. jarhead did I hurt your feelings by having opinions? Find one instance where I said that I hated anyone? As dave r would say, the silence is deafening….
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:29 pm
**Not to be repeated**
Close to 60 million thought the same of the last president, yet he won in 04….get ready for disappointment, its coming….
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:29 pm
The two town halls couldn’t have been any more different — one a blue-jeans-and-ball-cap affair, rowdy and filled-to-capacity near an impoverished urban strip — the other a smaller confab of polo-shirt-and-Bermuda-shorts clad seniors in a sleek conference room outside Orlando.
But one sentiment resonated through both Rep. Allen West’s Pompano Beach gathering in south Florida and Rep. Dan Webster’s in Winter Garden: voters are still angry, they still don’t trust Washington, and they’re saying, “hell yeah, shut down the government if you have to.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/50068.html#ixzz1EuzMBj2C
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
5:30 pm
BADA BING:
HEADLINE: “74-Year-Old Man Accused Of Spiking Home Health Aid’s Juice, Sexually Abusing Her…”
Ah ……………….. nevermind.
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
5:31 pm
Worst president of all time? Since we keep repeating that it’s Obama, I’ll repeat myself, too. He ain’t even in the top ten, IMHO
1. Andrew Jackson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Jefferson Davis
4. James Buchanan
5. U. S. Grant
6. Warren G. Harding
7. Richard Nixon
8. William McKinley
9. Herbert Hoover
10. Franklin Pierce
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:32 pm
Mick 5:29 – you might be right about 2012. But don’t be so sure. We’re in very different times.
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:33 pm
jonix 5:31 – and if the list was only the ones from the last 100 years?
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 24th, 2011
5:33 pm
The same can be said for corporations and businessmen. If unions incorporate, then everybody’s on a level playing field when it comes to campaign funding.
Everybody would be on a level playing field, except for the members of the Great Unwashed. Maybe we need to incorporate.
One thing to consider about gun laws, is that in my part of the world, nobody buys a gun in a store. People here have always had guns and they always will.
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
5:33 pm
I believe I had that phrase copyrighted, Mick.
Please send my royalty check to Jay. I SURE he’ll make sure I get it . .
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
5:34 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
5:16 pm
I understand what you are saying about NRA politics but like I told Normal earlier Gun Control advocates are like door to door salesmen, you can’t let them get their foot in the door. That’s the reason the NRA has no choice but to make those stances.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:34 pm
jm
Actually, its not in the bag for obama. Right now, there doesn’t seem to be a decent challenger so he might get lucky a la clinton versus dole….
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:35 pm
Thanks dave r – the check is in the mail….
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:35 pm
Chris Christie appears to be slightly endorsing Mitch Daniels. Awesome.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:36 pm
Keep it unbelievable…..Can’t get 30 people to attack with hammers at the same time? Use your imagination, how about a fight at a construction site? You need to open your eyes, just a few weeks ago there were thousands of people in Egypt trying to kill other people with rocks. Stop being so silly.
Adam
February 24th, 2011
5:36 pm
Over 30% of gun deaths are a result of the victim’s own weapon. Consider that when you assume that everyone should carry a gun everywhere they go.
jm
February 24th, 2011
5:37 pm
Mitch Daniels is getting some praise from the East – with fellow Gov. Chris Christie offering up high praise for the Indiana chief executive for his “credibility” on balancing budgets.
Continue Reading
Christie made the comments in an interview with the New York Times on Wednesday, which posted on their website today, in which he said that the main test for candidates is going to be their willingness to take on entitlement reform.
Asked if he sees anyone in the current field who meets that test, he said, “I think Gov. Daniels gave a very thoughtful speech on that at CPAC a week or so ago, and he talked about that in some real detail. And I think Gov. Daniels has credibility given some of the things he’s done as a budget balancer in Indiana.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/50142.html#ixzz1Ev1HDGhE
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
5:37 pm
” the check is in the mail”
Why am I not comforted by that thought . . .?
Adam
February 24th, 2011
5:39 pm
Dave R: What I aim for; I hit.
In ALL aspects of life.
Funny, you’ve missed the mark on this blog so many times I can’t even count them anymore.
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
5:39 pm
BADA
Believe me, when we wound up being the responsible adults for our three, we were both grateful that we were brought up in homes that made sure that we knew how to run AND repair a household…
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
5:40 pm
“Over 30% of gun deaths are a result of the victim’s own weapon.”
Once again reinforcing the adage, “Lies, damned lies and statistics” from the yappy little tea cup poodle.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:40 pm
hd
I don’t know if you caught it the other day but that silly mike nesmith tune just keeps going round and round, who’d a thought it??
God Bless America.....and no one else
February 24th, 2011
5:41 pm
Josef Nix – you forgot FDR and LBJ.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
5:42 pm
Who assumes everyone should carry a gun Adam? Did I miss something as usual?
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
5:42 pm
josef:
Hey ! I’m related to McKinley. Knock it off !
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:43 pm
Adam….the largest percentage of people are killed by accidents in Their own home, in Their own car, by Their own family, why should the gun statistic be any different?
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
5:43 pm
Bing…I asked about some serious issues and you are still being foolish. Ok.
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
5:43 pm
Time for the commute home. Later!
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:44 pm
dave r
Well, my credit score is still in the 700’s but my debt to income ratio is wobbly, so just put it on my tab and I’ll gladly repay you on tuesday….
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 24th, 2011
5:46 pm
I don’t know if you caught it the other day but that silly mike nesmith tune just keeps going round and round, who’d a thought it??
Sorry. I never intended to infest you with an earworm.
Hey ! I’m related to McKinley. Knock it off !
We won’t hold it against you. None of us can help who we’re related to.
Adam
February 24th, 2011
5:46 pm
Real Scooter: It’s the usual implication from objections to a certain type of person having a gun on 2nd amendment grounds (aside from equal protection). Not the only possible thing but when i see some of the same people saying not to take away guns from ______, it usually involves a blanket “no one should have their guns taken away.” Throw in a little “allow guns in the capitol and in schools” and you’ve got a recipe for guns being allowed anywhere, at any time, for any reason.
I admit it’s a bit of a slippery slope argument but I do no gun advocates who want this to be a reality.
Dave R: Yes, statistics. Which are always wrong, correct? It’s not a lie at all. Look it up.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:46 pm
josef…..My wife did everything in the house, and I mean everything. She was raised that a man should do nothing in the house. When she died, I had NEVER written a check to pay the bills, and I had to call my Mother and ask her how to turn the washing machine on the first time I did the laundry!
Adam
February 24th, 2011
5:49 pm
Because BADA BING, the gun deaths I’m talking about are not a result of people FIRING their own weapon. Someone took it from them and shot them with it. And that’s a percentage of the SOLVED crimes. If you’re in your own house when you’re killed, that makes statistical sense since that’s where most people spend their nights. Your own car? You drive it. Your own family? They have the most reason to hate you really.
Basically the statistics of those three aren’t the same as someone taking your gun from you and shooting you with it because you don’t know how to use it and you just wanted to have one on you to FEEL safe.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
5:51 pm
hd
I’m just trying to figure it out….it’s not the worst case of earworm but beware of this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
5:52 pm
jm
Last hundred years…? My ranking…
1 Warren G. Harding
2 Richard Nixon
3 Herbert Hoover
4. Teddy Roosevelt
5. Lyndon B. Johnson
6. John F. Kennedy
7. George Bush
8. George W Bush
9. Ronald Reagan
10. Woodrow Wilson
Obama could still make that limited list…he’s got 2-6 years to go…
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
5:55 pm
I am not worried about the statistics of whether someone shoots me with my own weapon, or their weapon, or their friend’s weapon. Either way, I am 100% DEAD. That is the only statistic that enters into it.
Randy
February 24th, 2011
5:57 pm
Wow! Pulitzer caliber journalism Bookman! Your position on these issues is a total mystery!
First, doctors do not need to know if patients own a gun and where it is stored. I watched the live stream of that committee hearing and not one of those doctors could give a single reason why they needed to know. The legislation goest to the fact that it is illegal to keep or maintain a gun registry. Since the article didn’t include this information: in Florida as well as other states, some doctors have begun grilling parents as to wether or not they own a gun and where they store it. If the parent refuses to answer, the doctor will refuse to treat the child, then bill the parent for the visit. Nice job on include the context Bookman!
Second, SB 234 has nothing to do with the FSU tragedy and everything to do with the 2nd ammendment. As far as concealed carry on college campuses, the bill will not change the requiremnets as to who can hold a permit. It will simply make colleges to be just like shopping malls, restaurants, movie theatres, and everywhere else students go in which CCW permit holders can carry. Also, incase you anti-gun people havent noticed, gun-free zones do not work. Virginia Tech, NIU, UAH, Arkansas State, Auburn, UNC, Duke etc = all gun free zones. There has never been a malicious crime perpertrated on a college/university campus by a concealed weapons permit holder … ever. Feeling safe is not the same as being safe.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 24th, 2011
5:59 pm
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
5:52 pm
Since we’ve had only 18 presidents during the past 100 years, why make a Top 10 list?
josef nix
February 24th, 2011
6:01 pm
leg lamp
jm asked for it…I agree with you that that was too limited and some of those who made my last hundred year list were waaaaay down on my top ten (posted earlier) “of all time…”
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
6:06 pm
Don’t focus all your attention on every person that owns a gun. Use your energy and resources on the people that will misuse guns. That is the only way to get to the solution of gun deaths. Use some of obama’s laser-like focus on the real threats.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 24th, 2011
6:09 pm
Speaking of doctors and questions, there have been a couple times when I’ve left things blank on the forms they give you to fill out. When they asked me why I didn’t answer them, I told them that what they were asking was none of their business.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
6:13 pm
What kind of college party were these people having? Brother, I have been to a lot of wild parties in my time, but nobody ever pulled out an AK47. I would have to question what I was doing with my life if I was hanging around with people like that. Call me old fashioned, but what is wrong with a party with drinking, girls, dancing, music, and a little yelling and screaming?
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 24th, 2011
6:14 pm
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=156117424
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 24th, 2011
6:15 pm
BADA BING @ 6:13
Good point you have there. The best way to stay out of trouble in life, is to stay out of places where trouble occurs.
md
February 24th, 2011
6:17 pm
“so just put it on my tab and I’ll gladly repay you on tuesday….”
…..for a cheeseburger today!
Wimpy….is that you?
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
6:17 pm
All in a day’s work. This guy earns his kep.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
6:19 pm
Hillbilly….I am still alive and have been to many parties. I just know how to choose them.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
6:19 pm
Rather, they’re guilty by INITIATION, which is worse. Unions share EQUAL blame in this game, not just associative. They are the ones threatening to shut down (fill in the blank).
Dave
If unions threaten to shut down (fill in the blank), then why are they not called on their bluffs and subsequently fired like Reagan did the Air Traffic Controllers? Is it because of the fact that underneath all the bluster put forth, not too many citizens want to do the job that public workers perform and get paid what they’re demanding them to get paid? It’s one thing to say that (insert public worker position here) gets paid too much or their benefits are high, but how many people have gone back to school to get the prerequisite training/degree for that field and then applied for that position and demanded the lower pay/benefits?
Real Scooter
The same could be said about gun enthusiasts, but that doesn’t mean that the two sides can’t compromise on sensible laws.
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
6:20 pm
Hillbilly, my kind of party is where someone whips out some 36DDs, not AK47s.
md
February 24th, 2011
6:21 pm
“You can speculate that might be true, but you can’t state it as a fact. There’s no way to test it to see if the shooter might not have gotten him first.”
No speculation involved……..fact is he was the only one there with a gun. I never said he would or wouldn’t be successful……only that he was it.
me too
February 24th, 2011
6:22 pm
I know made a good point. The Pearl Miss school shooting was stopped by a teacher, who got a .45 out of his pickup,heh heh… and forced the kid to surrender. For some reason the kid failed to snatch the teachers gun, and use it against him, nor did the teacher shoot a family member by mistake. Crazy, I know.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
6:23 pm
BADA BING:
If every gun law on the books right now was enforced to its full extent …………… ah, the judges would still screw it up. Nevermind.
By the way, I don’t if it’s the same now but when we used to arrest felons for a federal crime and they also had a gun on them it was almost impossible to get the U.S. Attorney’s office to add it in the indictment. And …………….. I know you won’t believe this but we obviously could not give the gun back to the felon but at some point after all adjudication the government had to give the defendant (through his attorney) the fair market value of the weapon. I kid you not.
They were basically leaving that part up to the states.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
6:24 pm
BADA:
Like my Dad always said (pointing to a garbage can), “son, there’s still some good food in there but I don’t see you in there trying to get it.”
md
February 24th, 2011
6:25 pm
“It’s one thing to say that (insert public worker position here) gets paid too much or their benefits are high, but how many people have gone back to school to get the prerequisite training/degree for that field and then applied for that position and demanded the lower pay/benefits?”
To me, it is more about the fact that those doing the funding (the private sector) aren’t making as much or getting as good benefits as the ones they are funding.
Kind of hard to justify paying for anothers salary when one ain’t even getting that much………..
ODDOWL
February 24th, 2011
6:28 pm
BAN ALL HANDGUNS…. all concealable weapons should be banned… Force the gun nuts to carry a rifle or a shotgun slung over their shoulder. Then everyone will know who’s armed and who’s not. If some crazed idiot is carrying a long gun, then everyone else will know who they are and can repond by locking and loading their own .06, AK, M16, 30.30, 12 gauge etc..
BADA BING
February 24th, 2011
6:28 pm
0311…. just like immigration laws, there are plenty of gun laws on the books, but the Gov’t won’t enforce the ones we have! We don’t need new ones.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
6:34 pm
To me, it is more about the fact that those doing the funding (the private sector) aren’t making as much or getting as good benefits as the ones they are funding.
If that is the case, then why are those who are doing the funding not pushing for collective bargaining themselves to try to improve their wages? The 20-30 years of stagnant wages for the average worker seems to coincide with the decrease in private sector union membership. Is it by coincidence or design?
What you’re saying, in my opinion, is that public workers should say that since private sector employees gave up their rights to bargain for better wages and decided to just take whatever wage their corporate sponsors bestow upon them, then the public sector workers should bow down to the wishes of those corporate sponsors too and demand lower wages and less benefits. My question would then be, if it were the opposite way, would those private sector workers be falling hand over fist to pay public workers more or increase their benefits?
md
February 24th, 2011
6:39 pm
“My question would then be, if it were the opposite way, would those private sector workers be falling hand over fist to pay public workers more or increase their benefits?”
To many, it is about equal sacrifice in hard times……….and they don’t much care for unions in the public sector. A public sector union is basically organizing against the taxpayers, which happen to be the ones paying the bills.
Just like WI……don’t walk out of class and also expect those you walked out on to keep wanting to pay your salary………..it just doesn’t work that way.
me too
February 24th, 2011
6:39 pm
1997, Atl Ga, I’m at a stop light, 20 feet behind the first car. Thats good driving-if I am rammed from the rear-not that there is anything wrong with that- I will not be forced into the intersection of moving traffic. Also I have distance-at least in front – from bad guys approaching my car.
He tried anyway. I do not carry every day. That day I had been to the range.As dude approached my car, I saw his gun in his waistband. Pointed mine at his heart. He ran.He would have died. Had no chance. Mahaps his buds kill me- but he is dead.
I will not lie- I wet my pants bad…but I would have killed him.
The whole bad guy takes ur gun- u will be to afraid to fight crowd-sadly they are weak soft men-yeah man.ha.I peed on myself , yeah..had I been forced to fire however…bad guy down.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
6:40 pm
ODDOWL:
What about grenades?
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
6:45 pm
me too, me too
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
6:46 pm
…………. or one of these ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thaP_5d8ZpQ&feature=related
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 24th, 2011
6:47 pm
To many, it is about equal sacrifice in hard times……….and they don’t much care for unions in the public sector.
I’m guessing people getting furloughed or losing their jobs to budget cuts isn’t sacrifice enough? What people don’t take into consideration is that those public workers are shopping and spending at local businesses putting money right back into the hands of the taxpayers. It’s not like public sector workers just deposit their paychecks into Swiss bank accounts and don’t participate in the economy here, althought that does sound like another section of the population that doesn’t seem to get called on the carpet for their actions.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
6:47 pm
A new investigation into the ‘Climategate’ controversy has exonerated U.S. scientists of any wrongdoing. The probe was conducted by the U.S. Commerce Department’s inspector general at the request of Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.).
But… but… but… I Object!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
6:48 pm
Del:
Remember what they taught us in the Corps.
“When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is no longer our friend !”