In Florida, chilling testimony against guns on campus
From The St. Petersburg Times:
Sen. Greg Evers this morning postponed discussion of a controversial gun bill (SB 234) that, among other things, would allow people to carry weapons onto college campuses after the father of a killed Florida State University student showed up to oppose the bill at a Senate committee hearing.
Ashley Cowie, a 20-year-old sophomore studying interior design, was killed January 9, 2011 at a fraternity party when another student accidentally discharged a rifle, according to police. Dr. Robert Cowie described the incident during emotional testimony, telling the Senate Criminal Justice Committee that a bullet from an AK-74 went through his daughter’s chest and struck a second student. He held back tears as he said how Ashley’s identical twin sister Amy tried to perform CPR at the party to keep her alive. Amy was “looking at the whole in her sister’s chest with blood gushing from her mouth and she knew she was already dead,” Cowie said. “But she felt compelled to do something.”
Alcohol was found in the system of the shooter, 20-year-old Evan Wilhelm, police said.
“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk,” Cowie told senators. “Would you feel more or less at risk today if I were carrying a gun?”
Guns on college campuses — where combinations of young people, drugs and alcohol are common — are a bad idea. As Dr. Cowie notes:
“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk. Each young man in that fraternity that knew that weapons were present and had been brandished in the past will have to live with the guilt that they could have prevented this tragedy.”
Cowie’s testimony succeeded in delaying, but probably not preventing, passage of the bill. However, if you want evidence of the overwhelming power of the National Rifle Association, it’s hard to beat this one, also out of Florida:
“A controversial gun bill, strongly backed by the National Rifle Association and strongly opposed by doctors, passed through the Senate Criminal Justice Committee Tuesday morning.
SB 432 would not allow doctors to ask patients whether they own a gun. An offending doctor would be charged $10,000 for the first offense, at least $25,000 for the second offense, and a minimum of $100,000 for the third offense. Psychologists and psychiatrists dealing with emergency psychotic episodes would be exempt.
The bill, sponsored by Sen. Greg Evers, R-Baker, passed 4-1. Sen. Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland was absent, but Sen. Andy Gardiner, R-Orlando voted as an ex-officio member. Sen. Gwen Margolis, D-Sunny Isles cast the lone dissenting vote.
Doctors turned out in force to oppose the measure, saying it hampers their ability to evaluate patient safety…
But Marian Hammer, a National Rifle Association lobbyist and former national president, said doctors are pushing an anti-gun agenda on their patients and intruding on their Second Amendment rights.
“A growing political agenda is being carried out in examination rooms,” Hammer said. “It has become about the politics of some medical doctors, and it has to stop.”
Doctors can’t even ask about gun ownership? A $10,000 fine for simply daring to raise the question?
Really now.
– Jay Bookman
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jm
February 24th, 2011
3:13 pm
If Obama is re-elected, I really gotta find another place….
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:13 pm
Doggone, Bosch, Price is Right…
I’m willing to sign papers waiving any future rights to government handouts, up to and including retirement benefits, government healthcare, unemployment benefits, food stamps, welfare, etc, etc.
You guys up to the same challenge? Didn’t think so…
uga_b
February 24th, 2011
3:14 pm
More students get drunk and kill people with their cars than get drunk and kill people with guns; therefore, if you want to protect students, eliminate the cars. Also, large pools of water, balconies, etc.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:14 pm
“I’m willing to sign papers waiving any future rights to government”
roads, highways, police, fire services, clean water, safe food?
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:14 pm
@ PJ
never mind” means stop responding
Ok then,stop responding brainiac!
@ PJnever mind” means stop responding
February 24th, 2011
2:45 pm
poke 'em with a stick
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
Most Right Wingnuts I know would wet their pants and be the first ones pushing the women out from under the table if they were ever in a violent altercation situation. Gun or no gun. But give ‘em a damn computer and all of a sudden they have the biggest winkies in the world!
And before you spout off some more made up statistics at me, I live in Alpharetta. I know plenty.
George W
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
Great video for you union supporters. This was actually in Atlanta…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67e_1298572124
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
Bosch…think we would have been able to overthrow the British during the American Revolution if the British had effectivel banned the populace from owning guns?
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
3:16 pm
“A rock can be reused…a bullet can’t.”
But a bullet can make a much more satifying hole in a bad guy.
Del
February 24th, 2011
3:16 pm
Jay, quite to the contrary homicidal maniacs do count on knowing that their victims are unable to defend themselves. Their objective is to murder as many as possible before taking their own life or being killed by police after they’ve caused mass death.
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
“roads, highways, police, fire services, clean water, safe food?”
LMAO. The usual liberal “infrastructure” canard. 90% of those expenses are state 7 local items. Why don’t you tell us what portion of the federal budget is made up of those items? Thanks in advance.
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
How many citizens with conceal and carry permits have killed people with a gun?
What percentage of all deaths by gun were committed by those with conceal and carry permits?
Of those that killed with a conceal and carry permit how many were in the attempt to prevent a crime?
Does anyone know where to get these facts?
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
“Most Right Wingnuts I know would wet their pants and be the first ones pushing the women out from under the table if they were ever in a violent altercation situation.”
As if you actually know more than a token conservative . . .
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:18 pm
“But a bullet can make a much more satifying hole in a bad guy”
If you’re close enough to actually hit him BEFORE he hits you. Cardinal rule of warfare: if the enemy is in range…so are you
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:18 pm
“Most Right Wingnuts I know would wet their pants and be the first ones pushing the women out from under the table if they were ever in a violent altercation situation”
…which is pretty much what you libbies do at the mere thought of taking personal responsibility for your own health care, retirement income, etc, etc….
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:19 pm
” 90% of those expenses are state 7 local items”
“I’m willing to sign papers waiving any future rights to government handouts”
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:19 pm
“You guys up to the same challenge? Didn’t think so…”
And you’d be right, because I’m glad I live in a country that if I should ever need one I wouldn’t be forced to live in the street or be forced to steal or beg for food, or that when I retire I would have something to support myself though the payments I’ve made during the years I’ve worked so that my kids wouldn’t have to support me, or again, live in the streets.
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:20 pm
Obama becoming business friendly (or even neutral), my a-s…. jesus. 2 more frickin years of this.
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
3:21 pm
“If you’re close enough to actually hit him BEFORE he hits you.”
What I aim for; I hit.
In ALL aspects of life.
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:21 pm
“And you’d be right, because I’m glad I live in a country that if I should ever need one I wouldn’t be forced to live in the street or be forced to steal or beg for food, or that when I retire I would have something to support myself though the payments I’ve made during the years I’ve worked so that my kids wouldn’t have to support me, or again, live in the streets.”
TRANSLATION: Yes Harry, I’m a bedwetting liberal that expects the top 10% of wage earners to take care of all the rest of us…
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:21 pm
The Federal Government wants banks TO LEND MORE, but also simultaneously TAKE $20 BILLION FROM THEM? SERIOUSLY???? WTF????????????????????????
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:22 pm
“What I aim for; I hit.”
And what makes you think the other guy isn’t just as good, or better?
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:23 pm
Habtu’s article also brings up the statistic that four CCW permit holders have committed firearms-related murder this year, four in almost an entire year. How many crimes are committed each year by people illegally carrying firearms or with illegal firearms themselves? The U.S. Department of Justice states on its Web site that of the 16,137 murders in 2004, 66 percent or 10,650 were committed with firearms. The four occurrences she has listed seem to be outweighed by this statistic. The Texas Department of Public Safety released a study in May of 1999 that showed that permit holders in Texas accounted for 0.246 percent of all aggravated assault crimes that involved a deadly weapon, four out of 1,629 convictions. It also shows that there were 3,303 convictions for people unlawfully carrying a weapon: One percent of these were permit holders. In the year 1999 the rate of murder convictions for permit holders in Texas was zero percent. There were none. I think that you will find that the ratio of crimes committed by permit holders to total permit holders is a tiny percentage compared to crimes committed by those without permits.
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14664/statistics-show-concealed-carry-saves-many-lives-takes-few
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
3:23 pm
If Obama is re-elected, I really gotta find another place….
Obama has my vote then.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:24 pm
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
NRA.org
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
3:24 pm
“And what makes you think the other guy isn’t just as good, or better?”
Because I’m responsible for my own actions in all facets of life. I choose what will or will not happen to me based on observation and precaution at all times.
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:25 pm
“And what makes you think the other guy isn’t just as good, or better?”
Really? Is that your reason to not being prepared to defend yourself?
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:26 pm
“Really? Is that your reason to not being prepared to defend yourself?”
Why would you think I’m not prepared to defend myself?
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:27 pm
Cardinal rule of warfare: if the enemy is in range…so are you
Not if they have rocks and you have a gun Doggone.
poke 'em with a stick
February 24th, 2011
3:27 pm
Harry Homohan “which is pretty much what you libbies do at the mere thought of taking personal responsibility for your own health care, retirement income, etc, etc….”
What the hell does that mean? And what does it have to do with Gun control?
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:28 pm
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:23 pm
So if studies show that an overwhelming amount of violent crime is committed by those who possess fireamrs illegally, meaning they do not have a permit even if they are required to by law in their area, then how is making it illegal for people to carry a gun at all, even if those who register their guns and obtain conceal and carry permits are not eh ones committing the crime?
I do not understand the logic of that argument being made, can you help me to understand that?
How is telling law obeying citizens they cannot have guns going to stop those who willfully break the law anyway?
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:28 pm
Will somebody pay jm some attention?
~~~~~~~~~~~
Harry,
Your translation is wrong — as is your assumptions. I expect people to take care of themselves, but some can’t — and as a country, we decided to help those people instead of letting them die off or beg for food in the streets — if you don’t like it, then run for office, get elected and change those laws.
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:28 pm
“And what makes you think the other guy isn’t just as good, or better?”
if you are asking others this question, you have certainly asked it to yourself.
Dusty
February 24th, 2011
3:28 pm
OH well, as to guns…
The crazies are going to get one if they want it; young, old or otherwise. So are criminals.
Anyone who would report a doctor for asking “Do you own a gun”, should have been asked “Do you own a gun?” by the doctor and the police.
Anyone blogging about a gun all afternoon should be 1-deprived of dinner 2-made to clean up the kitchen after dinner 3-shot at dawn with a slingshot….
Del
February 24th, 2011
3:29 pm
“And what makes you think the other guy isn’t as good, or better?”
If you refuse yourself the opportunity to find out, you can be most assured that the other guy is better, only because you allowed him to be.
Normal
February 24th, 2011
3:29 pm
Too much Dirty Harry going on around here. I figure most of you macho men have never been in a firefight. If you had you wouldn’t have to wave your peepee envy around so much and you’d think about better ways to solve difference. The key word is think and most of y’all don’t.
See ya in the funny papers…
John Birch
February 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
I read with dismay about the girl in Florida but then I remember all too painfully the losses at UGA and Auburn a couple years ago; two wonderful young women excuted by scum. Would a pistol in the purse have made a differnce for those girls? I don’t know, but at the worst they would have gone down fighting for their lives instead of just begging for them!
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
“Not if they have rocks and you have a gun Doggone
And as I said before, when you are out of bullets all you have in your hand is a fancy rock
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
Poke ‘em in the backside with my stick, sounds like you’re one of those losers that can dish it out, but not take it.
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
@Thomas,
The article is in defense of the right to carry, not attacking it.
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:24 pm
I have seen individuals here exclaim that the NRA is not a relyable source, therefore i am hoping one of those who question the NRA’s validty to provide a study or studies or anything to refute that those who legally carry guns are not eh one committing crimes by a huge margin.
So how will the ability of them to carry increase teh crime rate, and how will not allowing them to carry decrease the crime rate?
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:31 pm
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
I know i read it was hoping you could explain to me the logic of the counter point it is hard for me to gather right now!
poke 'em with a stick
February 24th, 2011
3:32 pm
I vote for Dusty for our next Prime Minister!!
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
3:33 pm
You guys up to the same challenge? Didn’t think so…
I’ve never collected food stamps or welfare or charity or any other form of handout. I’ve already paid into social security so I think I’ll collect some of what I paid in once I’m old enough. Of course, if I were some snot nosed kid that was feeling lucky and that had not worked long enough to actually have any vested interest in social security, then maybe I would have an attitude more in tune with yours. Probably not though. I actually stayed awake in school and learned the value of things like social safety nets in a civilized society and I actually took some of those Sunday School lessons about caring for others and such to heart…. things that seem to escape the typical conservative. Not that you’re necessarily typical, mind you.
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:33 pm
“Too much Dirty Harry going on around here. I figure most of you macho men have never been in a firefight. If you had you wouldn’t have to wave your peepee envy around so much and you’d think about better ways to solve difference. The key word is think and most of y’all don’t.
See ya in the funny papers…”
Uh, excuse me, Mr. Normal, but the issue here isn’t penis envy and waving guns around…it’s a discussion of Constitutional rights. Pretty sad you can’t discern the difference. I guess your definition of bravery would be rolling over and letting you libbies trample all over our Constitutional rights?
Del
February 24th, 2011
3:33 pm
Too many pretend experts on here about weapons and those who who own them
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:34 pm
How is telling law obeying citizens they cannot have guns going to stop those who willfully break the law anyway?
It’s not thomas.No gun control advocate will admit that though.
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:34 pm
@Thomas,
there is no logic in the counterpoint. That’s why they must rely on emotional pleas, deny the fact that people do indeed each and every day successfully defend themselves.
When presented with the facts, silence ensues.
md
February 24th, 2011
3:34 pm
“For me, it’s about the probability of such an event happening — which is pretty much nil for most of us if you use proper precaution.”
And you do know that there are many that thought the exact same thing prior to being a victim…..right?
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:36 pm
@md,
and yet for those shot and murdered in a position where they were not allowed to even be prepared to defend themselves the probability was 100% wasn’t it?
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:36 pm
To quote the dad from Legends of the Fall: “F-ck the Government”
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
Uh, Mr.Proice is right, excuse me, but I’m 48 years old and I estimate that I have paid $180K into social security in my life time, which my employer has matched. I can also perform simple mathematics, which is how I know I could invest the same money into private securities and earn at least 5 times more than social security will ever pay me. I attend Sunday School too, and learned about voluntary giving, but somehow I never got to the part where you help yourself to other people’s money.
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
Obama’s rules: My people get mine from your people. Fantastic. Gimme another country….
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:38 pm
Does any gun control advocate want to explain how making the concealing and carrying of a firearm illegal going to decrease the crime rate, when an overwhelming percentage of crimes are committed by those without permits? How would allowing those to conceal and carry increase the crime rate?
Del
February 24th, 2011
3:38 pm
Harry, you have to understand that Normal believes only in what he chooses to believe. Accuracy isn’t important to him, however, presumption is.
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:39 pm
Critics are right. This guy is the most socialist president we’ve had, at least since FDR (Nixon excluded)
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 24th, 2011
3:40 pm
Was the problem the gun or the alcohol fueled party?
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:40 pm
“and yet for those shot and murdered in a position where they were not allowed to even be prepared to defend themselves the probability was 100% wasn’t it?”
But yet I’d wager that no one has ever been in a position where they were prohibited from defending themselves.
Common Sense
February 24th, 2011
3:40 pm
Murdered children have been murdered by relatives in most occurrences. According to Friedman et al.,[2] of murdered American children younger than five years old, 61% were murdered by their parents (30% murdered by mothers, and 31% by fathers); homicide was the fourth leading cause of death amongst American preschool-aged children, and the third leading cause of death amongst American children five to fourteen years old.
**********
If it’s about the children, it’s time we started licensing parents.
md
February 24th, 2011
3:40 pm
“They guy in Arizona was stopped by unarmed citizens. The only report of an armed citizen reported that he ALMOST shot one of the unarmed citizens who had picked up the shooter’s gun, thinking that citizen was the shooter.”
And the fact remains that if the shooter had not been brought down, this citizen would have been the only one between the shooter and more deaths. Still no cops in the immediate vicinity.
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:41 pm
Jay, more important breaking news than your headline:
In the US, chilling violation of property rights and due process.
SV
February 24th, 2011
3:41 pm
True story. Had a relative who slept with his gun, ended up shooting himself in the leg.
Del
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
Leg@3:40, BINGO
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
Too much Dirty Harry going on around here.
You can read his comments.
Or you can watch/listen to this. Same thing, basically.
Oh, and jm–your hyperventilating over the mere possibility that cramdowns MIGHT be part of some loan settlements is entirely predictable. You might try learning a bit more before you post. LIke, say, this bit from the article you linked:
The deal wouldn’t create any new government programs to reduce principal. Instead, it would allow banks to devise their own modifications or use existing government programs, people familiar with the matter said. Banks would also have to reduce second-lien mortgages when first mortgages are modified.
Then again, if it means we’ll have to lose you to some other corporatist paradise elsewhere on the globe, c’est le whatever.
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
“Does any gun control advocate want to explain how making the concealing and carrying of a firearm illegal going to decrease the crime rate, when an overwhelming percentage of crimes are committed by those without permits? How would allowing those to conceal and carry increase the crime rate?”
Well, let’s see…from the U.S. Constitution…
“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
What part of that, exactly, are you having trouble with?
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”…..
February 24th, 2011
3:40 pm
I’ve been reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaal drunk before, intoxicated in many ways…..
Never been f’ed up enough to want to play with guns at that time.
Usually the type that “plays” with guns will find a way to harm themselves or others be it with the gun or some other way….
You can’t fix stupid, no matter how many laws or regulations one puts in place.
that's just goofy
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
“Would you feel more or less at risk today if I were carrying a gun?”
Typical – guns should be carried everywhere… except near us.
Always Be Ready
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
Virginia Tech disproves that right off the bat.
But I bet you want to say they could, but just not with guns.
100% failure on your behalf.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:43 pm
Normal
February 24th, 2011
3:29 pm
I have never been in a firefight nor have I ever felt the need to carry a gun but I want the right to do so if I ever felt the need. This issue is all about freedom to me Normal.I love you man!
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:44 pm
“Does any gun control advocate want to explain how making the concealing and carrying of a firearm illegal going to decrease the crime rate, when an overwhelming percentage of crimes are committed by those without permits? How would allowing those to conceal and carry increase the crime rate?””
Ummm, you really aren’t the sharpest tool in the drawer, are you? The right to carry concealed is to benefit the potential VICTIMS of crimes, not to deter the criminals. LMAO
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 24th, 2011
3:44 pm
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
Well, Obamatrons seem willing and able to support only those amendments that support their position. They must not like #2.
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:44 pm
jm
I’m really sorry that no one is paying you any attention — I guess your “Obama is a socialist” rants are as boring to them as they are to me.
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:45 pm
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
Easy harry, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10.
I have no problem with that.
i am trying to gain insight into the counterpoint made by those who feel our right to bear arms should be revoked, or regulated tighter.
Easy there, gotta slow down and take a few good moments to breath.
Dusty
February 24th, 2011
3:45 pm
Thank you, Poke ‘em..3:32
When we decide to have a prime minister, I’M READY. I’ll promise a (water) pistol in every pot. R U WITH ME???
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:46 pm
thomas,
I guess sarcasm is lost on some huh?
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:46 pm
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:38 pm
Good luck on getting an answer there dude!
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:48 pm
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:44 pm
You not the sharpest tool in the shed huh?
You just lookin for arguments, hell even with those who don’t object or disagree with your opinions on gun control.
Simmer down, been a long day at the keyboard for you maybe take a moment for a walk or a jog.
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:49 pm
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:46 pm
Hell i always say we all have more in common thanwe have different…. but damn some i guess aren’t satisfied even when people agree with them.
Sometimes its makes me tired to come on this blog!
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
3:49 pm
“Harry Homohan………”
That sounds awful Homophobic there, Poke…
What happened to DIVERSITY and ACCEPTANCE???
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:51 pm
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:46 pm
Seems like there is alot of blather and debating when that is the only question that needs to be answered before there is any further discussion. If it ain’t gone help then why talk about it?
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:52 pm
“And the fact remains that if the shooter had not been brought down, this citizen would have been the only one between the shooter and more deaths”
You can speculate that might be true, but you can’t state it as a fact. There’s no way to test it to see if the shooter might not have gotten him first.
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:52 pm
Bosch 3:44 – I could care less buddo
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:53 pm
Thomas…
My bad. 95% of posters on this blog are liberal drones…it becomes too easy to assume ALL are…
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
3:53 pm
Hey look, It’s George Bush and his evil Oil Buddies sticking it to us again!… (read sarcasm)
Crude breaches $119 in frantic trading…
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3f985d7c-3d89-11e0-ae2a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1Esb76xs1
CA Gas Station: $4.51 A Gallon…
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/02/24/san-gabriel-station-may-have-highest-gas-prices-in-us/
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:53 pm
thomas,
Yeah, for real. As to your question, I’m not arguing that it will bring down crime rates — I think it’s pretty common sense to gather that most crimes involving guns are not legal gun owners. My problem is with just the guns themselves — and I’ll keep voting for those who agree with me on that. As can you vote for those who agree with your positions.
Off to gather the youngest Boschling…. later.
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:54 pm
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
3:49 pm
Its like Reagan! Far left liberals only invoke it when it fits their purposes.
Us on the conservative right side have our far out partners as well, its like our far righties who yak on and on about we have to cut the budget, but then denounce any and all mention of cutting defense spending.
Gotta stay away from the edges, right or left!
Trickle Down Theory
February 24th, 2011
3:55 pm
What I aim for, I hit.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:56 pm
“What I aim for, I hit”
But nobody ever adds the implied ending to that: if I have time
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:56 pm
oh my god I despise liberals
“Assault on women’s health cloaked as deficit reduction”
gimme a f-ckin break
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 24th, 2011
3:56 pm
USMC dawg
February 24th, 2011
3:53 pm
Yep. Darth Cheney and Haliburton are having a field day screwing the American public.
marky mark
February 24th, 2011
3:56 pm
Sorry Jay, but my internist has no business on any level asking if I own a gun. A psychiatrist, ok, I can buy that argument. But my internist? Hell No.
jm
February 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
FOREX-Swiss franc hits record on Libya fear; dollar falls
Translation. Ghadafi is busy transferring money to Switzerland out of any US (and other) accounts he happens to have.
Jay
February 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
In 2009, according to the FBI, there were 9,146 murders using a firearm.
The same year, there were 215 justifiable homicides by civilians using firearms.
I don’t propose to ban firearms. I don’t want to abolish pistols. I do think reasonable gun laws can reduce the carnage, and continuing a ban on firearms on college campuses is one of those laws.
Contrary to an earlier poster, I don’t consider Dr. Cowrie’s testimony to be a red herring. Yes, the gun that killed his daughter was there illegally under current law. Changing the law to make such guns legal, however, would undoubtedly increase the number of guns on campus. In fact, that’s the whole argument of the legalization side. More guns would make college campuses safer.
As Cowrie pointed out in his testimony, when he entered the Florida state capitol that morning, he got searched. Why was that, if guns make things safer?
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
” But my internist? Hell No.”
And why do you think you would have to answer if HE did ask?
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
If it ain’t gone help then why talk about it?
Nothing that is talked about here is going to help anything no matter what the issue.It’s just something to do when you have nothing better to do. LMAO
thomas
February 24th, 2011
3:58 pm
Bosch
February 24th, 2011
3:53 pm
Again we will have to agree to disagree.
Me I feel safer knowing I have a gun in my home, in case sh*t happens, you do not feel that way.
we both know nothing either of us says will change the others opinion.
Some perfer to argue unwinnable arguments I suppose, never understanding ole Jay is just laughing cashing in on each unwinnable argument.
Is unwinnable a word?
Harry Callahan
February 24th, 2011
3:58 pm
I bet I know how Obama will respond to rising gasoline prices…
1) Further restrictions on domestic drilling
2) Huge etahnol subsidies to his well-connected leftist cronies
3) A tax increase on the rich
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 24th, 2011
4:00 pm
Hey look everyone, another example of the “transparent”, lobbyist-hating Obama adminstration.
”Caught between their boss’ anti-lobbyist rhetoric and the reality of governing, President Barack Obama’s aides often steer meetings with lobbyists to a complex just off the White House grounds — and several of the lobbyists involved say they believe the choice of venue is no accident.
It allows the Obama administration to keep these lobbyist meetings shielded from public view — and out of Secret Service logs kept on visitors to the White House and later released to the public.”
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
4:00 pm
Pillow Fight @ 2:09:
Paragraph #1: The SCOTUS disagrees with you.
Paragraph #2 Did you spend 34 years in law enforcement ?
Bottom line: The 2nd Amendment is just as sacred and binding as any wording in the main body of the Constitution or any other Amendment.
It is PART of THE Constitution !!
thomas
February 24th, 2011
4:00 pm
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
I think you have a point….. but too much pointless banter of your wrong, no your wrong, kinda makes me get bitter feelings.