In Florida, chilling testimony against guns on campus
From The St. Petersburg Times:
Sen. Greg Evers this morning postponed discussion of a controversial gun bill (SB 234) that, among other things, would allow people to carry weapons onto college campuses after the father of a killed Florida State University student showed up to oppose the bill at a Senate committee hearing.
Ashley Cowie, a 20-year-old sophomore studying interior design, was killed January 9, 2011 at a fraternity party when another student accidentally discharged a rifle, according to police. Dr. Robert Cowie described the incident during emotional testimony, telling the Senate Criminal Justice Committee that a bullet from an AK-74 went through his daughter’s chest and struck a second student. He held back tears as he said how Ashley’s identical twin sister Amy tried to perform CPR at the party to keep her alive. Amy was “looking at the whole in her sister’s chest with blood gushing from her mouth and she knew she was already dead,” Cowie said. “But she felt compelled to do something.”
Alcohol was found in the system of the shooter, 20-year-old Evan Wilhelm, police said.
“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk,” Cowie told senators. “Would you feel more or less at risk today if I were carrying a gun?”
Guns on college campuses — where combinations of young people, drugs and alcohol are common — are a bad idea. As Dr. Cowie notes:
“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk. Each young man in that fraternity that knew that weapons were present and had been brandished in the past will have to live with the guilt that they could have prevented this tragedy.”
Cowie’s testimony succeeded in delaying, but probably not preventing, passage of the bill. However, if you want evidence of the overwhelming power of the National Rifle Association, it’s hard to beat this one, also out of Florida:
“A controversial gun bill, strongly backed by the National Rifle Association and strongly opposed by doctors, passed through the Senate Criminal Justice Committee Tuesday morning.
SB 432 would not allow doctors to ask patients whether they own a gun. An offending doctor would be charged $10,000 for the first offense, at least $25,000 for the second offense, and a minimum of $100,000 for the third offense. Psychologists and psychiatrists dealing with emergency psychotic episodes would be exempt.
The bill, sponsored by Sen. Greg Evers, R-Baker, passed 4-1. Sen. Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland was absent, but Sen. Andy Gardiner, R-Orlando voted as an ex-officio member. Sen. Gwen Margolis, D-Sunny Isles cast the lone dissenting vote.
Doctors turned out in force to oppose the measure, saying it hampers their ability to evaluate patient safety…
But Marian Hammer, a National Rifle Association lobbyist and former national president, said doctors are pushing an anti-gun agenda on their patients and intruding on their Second Amendment rights.
“A growing political agenda is being carried out in examination rooms,” Hammer said. “It has become about the politics of some medical doctors, and it has to stop.”
Doctors can’t even ask about gun ownership? A $10,000 fine for simply daring to raise the question?
Really now.
– Jay Bookman
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Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
1:29 pm
AmVet
February 24th, 2011
1:07 pm
Some of what the NRA advocates sounds inane,I realize this but Gun Control advocates are like door to door salesmen, you can’t let them get their foot in the door. Sorry I can’t agree with you this issue AmVet!
W
February 24th, 2011
1:30 pm
If Jesus were here, he would carry a gun.
extremerightwing
February 24th, 2011
1:30 pm
why not just ban the alcohol….sounds like that was the primary cause of the problem….oh, we already have laws against underage drinking. they appear not to work because they are not enforced.
imagine if we could enforce those laws how many lives would be saved….probably including this girl’s.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
1:31 pm
FIRST again!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:31 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight:
Most gun toters are very proficient with their weapons.
However, all of your points ARE POSSIBLE. I could even add some things (gun jammed) that you’re not thing of.
So What?
When a mass murder is taking place someone must do something rather than hide under their desk and wait to be killed.
Most police agencies have an “active shooter” policy that the first officer(s) on scene must WAIT for backup before entry.
Meanwhile …………. students are dying.
It’s worth the odds.
George W
February 24th, 2011
1:31 pm
Hmmmm….non of the Dems want to answer this question. Would our soldiers or police officers be more safe without guns?
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:31 pm
GW…. absurd again aren’t you. Do tell me where I said anything like that? Your Guess reveals your ignorance.
Normal
February 24th, 2011
1:31 pm
Del
February 24th, 2011
1:02 pm
Of course, Del. Like I just told Scout. When the rounds start flying
most will freeze and die.
Normal
February 24th, 2011
1:32 pm
For all the target practice you do, targets never shoot back.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:32 pm
W:
He made a whip once and drove the money changers from His Temple.
That was kind of harsh.
He also once told his disciples, “he that hath no sword, sell his garment and buy one.”
George W
February 24th, 2011
1:32 pm
Keep up….you said…
Scout Zero…silly.
1. The “good guys” may shoot other “good guys” with a gun.
2. The “good guys” may shoot themselves by mistake
3. The “good guys” may be shot by police officers
4. The “good guys” may be shot by the criminal and have their gun taken away and used on other innocents.
Shall we go on? Silly points you make without facts or reason. What nonsense.
Really….you said it not me.
arizona is a concealed weapon state
February 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
yet a congresswoman was shot, and a judge and others were assassinated with ease. no one else fired a shot. even if they had guns, they were too busy diving for cover.
this argument that guns stop shooters is weak sauce… guns cause shootings, and the more guns are around, the more shootings there are
i say tax the ammo into oblivion. ammunition should cost $30 per bullet.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Scout, you may feel its worth the odds. Funny thing, the reality is that the mass shooter in Tucson was not taken down by anyone with a gun.
Your “odds” however fail to take into account the benefits of restricting gun access with common sense laws…such as preventing large ammo clips.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
GW….”good guys” is not trained police officers…in the context of the response to a prior point. But sure, be absurd.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
The human race is symbollically made up of sheep, wolves and sheepdogs.
The great majority are sheep. Nothing wrong with that …… it just is. You know who you are.
A smaller percentage are wolves. They prey on the sheep.
A even smaller percentage are sheepdogs. They take on the wolves and we know who we are.
jt
February 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
Myself ,and Every gun owner I know, could care less what laws or regulations are passed concerning owning or carrying guns.
“Gun control” means the ability to curtail an out of control and corrupt government.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
P.S.
The above is not a direct quote but it needs ” “
PJ
February 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
godless heathen @1:12 pm: Yeah, the criminal element and gun smuggles to Mexico appreciated them too.
Real Scooter @1:14 pm: One which subject, the shooting, the NRA or the 2nd amendment. I would like to point out to you that a large part of making an educated argument is to point out exactly what point you disagree with when several topics are brought up.
Normal
February 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
Didn’t Jesus also stop Peter from using a sword and according to which gospel you read, repair a Roman soldier’s ear?
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February 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
jt:
People don’t like to admit it but that is exactly why the Second Amendment was put into the Constitution ……. all the other reasons for having a gun (hunting, collecting, protection, etc.) were automatically assumed.
jm
February 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
The Four Issues that Are Important for Our Country.
1. Education Quality and Funding Mechanisms
2. Infrastructure
3. Tax Policy & Efficiency
4. Entitlements & the Size and Scope of Government
The rest is just a distraction.
Dave R.
February 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
“Doctors turned out in force to oppose the measure, saying it hampers their ability to evaluate patient safety”
Doctors, do your frikkin’ job and treat illnesses, and stay out of the “evaluate safety” realm. That is for the individual or the parents to ascertain.
md
February 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
“Well, you see, teachers actually perform a service of value.
Whereas, NRA members? not so much.”
Highly debatable………………
“Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, CINC of the Imperial Japanese Navy during the first part of World War II had once been stationed in the US as Japan’s Naval Attache’. When presented a plan for an invasion of the continental United States, he refused to order it. What he said was telling: “If we invade the United States, we will face a gun from behind every blade of grass.”"
Yamamoto was also educated at Harvard………………………
Due to gun ownership, the US has the largest non-standing army on the planet…….
Value??? One can decide for themselves……………
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February 24th, 2011
1:38 pm
Normal:
He did because Peter was trying to stop His arrest (and thereby crucifixion).
He had just prayed to the Father, “not My will but Your’s be done).
jm
February 24th, 2011
1:39 pm
md – Libyans were wishing they were a little better well armed currently….
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
1:11 pm
Please see 1:29 to AmVet. Maybe it will help you understand what the NRA is doing for you.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Scout Zero….This your pack of sheepdogs, right? Wait till my pack of sharks gets done with them.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
scout
That sheepdog analogy is way too simplistic because a rattlesnake or ticks can take down any dog….
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
“Doctors, do your frikkin’ job and treat illnesses, and stay out of the “evaluate safety” realm”
If a patient has the potential to be suicidal or homicidal, it IS doing their “frikkin job” to evaluate safety. Not all illnesses are solely physical…your brain can be ill also.
George W
February 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
0311…..I think it hilarious that those on the left do not know what your name means. Says something about them huh?
Dan
February 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
I don’t see where there is justification to treat one group of people differently than another. The great majority of college students are adults, and therefore subject to the same laws and rights of other adults. They are responsible for the safe storage and operations of their weapons and should be held respobsible. Drives me crazy when people refer to college students as kids
Normal
February 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
Scout,
A question. Since Judas had to betray Christ to fulfill the Crucifixion, was he forgiven by God? And if so, why does Christian man
not celebrate him as a Saint? After all, he was an instrument of God.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
“Libyans were wishing they were a little better well armed currently….”
Yep, because guns are just SO useful against high power sniper rifles, strafing helicoptors and BOMBS.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
This isn’t about doing what’s right. This is about the GOP whoring for the NRA. Republicans do anything for a buck.
md
February 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
“this argument that guns stop shooters is weak sauce… guns cause shootings, and the more guns are around, the more shootings there are”
Then please explain why only the bad guys have guns in the total gun ban country to our south…………………
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
0311…..I think it hilarious that those on the left do not know what your name means. Says something about them huh?
It means he carries the mark.
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February 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Good Fight:
“Scout, you may feel its worth the odds. Funny thing, the reality is that the mass shooter in Tucson was not taken down by anyone with a gun.
Your “odds” however fail to take into account the benefits of restricting gun access with common sense laws…such as preventing large ammo clips”
1) I fail to see your point in your first paragraph. It doesn’t impact on this discussion.
2) Gun laws forbid civilian guns on campus. Bad civilians ignore it the day they plan to die.
There are so many large magazines out there that it doesn’t matter.
A shooter who wants to cause as much carnage as he can will not let himself get in a reloading situation. He’ll bring multiple handguns.
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
md @ 1.37, two things:
1. You’re talking about armed Americans. I’m taking about the guys, at best perhaps one in about 20 of those American gun owners, who financially support the NRA and its lobbying efforts.
2. Your colorful quote aside, I really don’t think the number of private arms played much if any of a role in whether or not the Japanese were ever going to invade our mainland, given that only a tiny percentage of civilian gun owners have ever been scenario-trained to actually use these things effectively against bad guys.
anyway, gotta leave the time suck. later, all.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
The Price is Right:
Thank you !
George W
February 24th, 2011
1:46 pm
The Price is Right…..nope.
George W
February 24th, 2011
1:46 pm
The Price is right…..sorry I read the wrong post…..
md
February 24th, 2011
1:47 pm
“Yep, because guns are just SO useful against high power sniper rifles, strafing helicoptors and BOMBS.”
yep, because those rocks they are using are way better…………………
Darwin
February 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
The Florida bill also includes a provision making doctors tell all patients to choose life over abortion.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
1:49 pm
thomas
February 24th, 2011
1:19 pm
I would provide a link for you but it comes from the NRA and all the libs here would say it’s not credible. Yes there is less crime where lawful people have guns!
NJ
February 24th, 2011
1:49 pm
You missed Georgia, Jay.
A year or so ago, a young kid, 13 years old, living in one of the counties bordering Atlanta, stuck one of the dozen or so guns his parents into his mouth and pulled the trigger, because he was depressed.
As an aside, I bid you all adieu.
I am finally escaping this wing nut of a state, and I so happy I can practically fly.
My experience in Georgia has been thoroughly unpleasant. The only thing I regret is that the state took tens of thousands of dollars from my income, and I did not benefit from anything the state used it for. I am glad I will no longer be contributing to such a backwards political system.
jt
February 24th, 2011
1:49 pm
0311/0317 – 1811/1801
I am aware of what you say.(second amendment), but , as a law enforcer, wouldn’t you prefer to have an unarmed populance?
Or are you standing with your principles?(I know that this idea is alien to most progressives).
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
“yep, because those rocks they are using are way better”
Nope, the guns were EQUALLY INEFFECTIVE
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
Doggone/GA:
Given enough people it works.
Little by little the weapons from the “other side” are obtained.
As time goes on it evens out and …………..
Eventually, the number of armed people will overwhelm the situation.
Also, remember that soldiers have families too and many of them may agree with the revolting side.
As a result, some in the military defect and bring their weapons with them.
That’s the real world.
George W
February 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
jt…..your posting is not realistic. There will always be guns.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
jt:
Heaven’s know.
The bad guys will have their weapons anyway.
A legal gun toter could come to a police officer’s aid. It’s happened before.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:53 pm
Scout Zero….you can keep making wild speculative claims. The facts of actual mass attacks do not support your claims.
Again, common sense laws such as those supported by Police Chiefs and others across this country make much more sense than your macho cowboy delusions.
Every day in America, guns claim 84 lives, and wound nearly 200; every year more than 30,000 people die – over 3,000 of them children and teens – and over 70,000 are injured. The firearms death rate in the U.S. is eight times higher than in other high-income countries7 and the rate among children under 15-years-old is nearly twelve times higher in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
Beginning with the Brady Law in 1993, the assault weapon ban in 1994, and other Clinton Administration policies, our nation experienced an historic decline in gun crime and violence. During the first ten years of the Brady Law gun homicides dropped 37%, while other gun crimes dropped 73%. However, during the Bush years, gun crime increased as the Administration and Congress weakened the Brady Law, allowed the assault weapons ban to expire, gave the gun industry special legal protection, and instituted other counterproductive policies.
md
February 24th, 2011
1:53 pm
“I really don’t think the number of private arms played much if any of a role in whether or not the Japanese were ever going to invade our mainland, given that only a tiny percentage of civilian gun owners have ever been scenario-trained to actually use these things effectively against bad guys.”
I’d have to disagree………one would think that just knowing there were 20+ million guns to worry about vs knowing there was a fraction thereof would be relevant information in planning any invasion.
A scared women/child with a gun has a pretty good chance of hitting something if their lives depended on it.
Much better than the rocks the Libyans are stuck with…………….
20 million guns or 20 million rocks………….hmmmmmmmm
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February 24th, 2011
1:55 pm
Normal:
We’re starting to get above both of our paygrades but:
Jesus said no, Judas was not forgiven.
John 17:12
“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
md
February 24th, 2011
1:55 pm
“Nope, the guns were EQUALLY INEFFECTIVE”
BS…………given enough folks with guns increases the odds of survival vs that same number of folks with a bunch of rocks……………
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:55 pm
DID YOU KNOW? States with high household gun ownership have more unintentional shooting deaths than states with low household gun ownership.
•The mortality rate from accidental shootings is 8 times higher in the four states with the most guns compared to the four states with the fewest guns (Miller, 2001, p. 481).
•For kids ages 5 to 14, the mortality rate is 14 times higher in high gun states than low gun states (Miller, 2001, p. 481).
•For kids ages 0 to 4, the mortality rate is 17 times higher in high gun states than low gun states (Miller, 2001, p. 481).
•For every age group, where there are more guns there are more accidental deaths (Miller, 2001, p. 483).
•For adults, keeping a gun in the home quadruples the risk of dying of an accidental gunshot wound (Wiebe, 2003).
•In 2007, 613 people died from an unintentional shooting. To see a breakdown of unintentional firearm deaths by age, click here.
•In 2009, 18,610 people were wounded in an unintentional shooting but survived (National Center for Injury Prevention and Control (NCIPC).
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
1:55 pm
“20 million guns or 20 million rocks………….hmmmmmmmm”
A rock can be reused…a bullet can’t. And when you run out of bullets, all you have left in your hand is a fancy rock.
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February 24th, 2011
1:57 pm
Good Fight:
1) Police Chiefs are political appointments (enough said).
2) My previous post disagrees with your statistics.
Agree to disagree.
seabeau
February 24th, 2011
1:57 pm
Every human has the right to self defence.
md
February 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
“A rock can be reused…a bullet can’t. And when you run out of bullets, all you have left in your hand is a fancy rock.”
And that is what is so wonderful about this country……….if you want to defend yourself with rocks, you are more than welcome to.
And if others prefer a gun, then that is also their right.
seabeau
February 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
Far more people are killed in auto accidents.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
If Scout is stupid enough to go out into a crime scene waving a gun, then so be it. I can see him yelling at real law enforcement as they draw down on him, “Wait! I have a permit to be flailing this thing about in public, scaring people and causing groups of people to panic, etc.
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
Doggone….you mean like the guys who shoot at Superman to no effect and then throw the gun at him?
md
February 24th, 2011
2:00 pm
But…….I’m guessing those Mexicans without heads would have preferred a gun to the no gun that they were stuck with prior to losing their heads…………..
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
2:00 pm
Good Fight:
Let me explain it this way regarding your statistics.
I’m sure you have heard of the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments. Even a “technical” violation of one of those Amendments will cause a murderer to be set free. It happens quite often and what do the animals do? They go out and rape, molest and murder again.
But …………. those Amendments are so sacred to all of us …………… that some people pay the price with their lives including children.
The Second Amendment is no less sacred.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
2:01 pm
“And if others prefer a gun, then that is also their right.”
Yes, it is. I’ve never said otherwise. But just like the right to free speech, there ARE limits that need to be set. My problem is that in most cases, I could – if I chose – argue both sides.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
PJ
February 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
Never mind PJ. You obviously don’t want to educate yourself on both sides of this issue.I do like your fancy double talk though.
the original and still the best John Galt
February 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
There’s no point at all in arguing with advocates of Unilateral Personal Disarmament. Belief in UPD is a rite of the religion of Statism, and therefore no amount of logic or reason can get through.
One of the posts above mentions that a daughter carries a firearm that’s “registered.” That must not be in Georgia. There’s no legal requirement for registration of firearms here. A weapons license is required to carry a concealed weapon, but not to own said weapon.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
Speaking of guns, I read an article about some state employee up north recommending the use of deadly force by the police on the non-violent protestors. Fortunately that idiot no longer has a job.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
2:03 pm
“you mean like the guys who shoot at Superman to no effect and then throw the gun at him?”
Yep!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
2:04 pm
The Price is Right :
Let me explain it to you this way:
Undercover officers and off duty officers face this all of the time when they take action during a crime.
Sometimes it doesn’t turn out for the best but that’s just the way it is. An officer “will act” to save lives.
A legal gun toter would be no different. Unlike most criminals, when legal gun toters see the police officer and here, “drop the gun” ………. he will drop the gun!
It’s worth the effort to save lives.
jm
February 24th, 2011
2:04 pm
According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, in 2004 (most recent year available) 649 people died in firearm accidents. That works out to less than two a day.
Normal
February 24th, 2011
2:04 pm
Scout,
Seems to me that a good ACLU lawyer would have gotten Judas off.
Seems awfully unfair to me and that’s one of the many reasons I choose not to believe.
Richard L
February 24th, 2011
2:06 pm
Good news about that Doctor bill – I didn’t know about that one. Thats a good bill…..
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
2:06 pm
Doggone/GA :
It’s a tough issue to most people. Thanks for the honesty which is usually lacking on here.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
2:06 pm
John Galt is a fictional character from a book written by a drug addict.
jm
February 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
In 2004 the most recent year for which data is available, there were 29,569 gun deaths in the US.
Car accidents kill more. But not many more.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
When I was a kid I also wondered why the bad guy trying to get away on this horse always threw his empty gun at the good cowboy.
I guess it was too hard to reload on a gallopying horse …………………
barking frog
February 24th, 2011
2:08 pm
Guns are for rabbits, not kids.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
“Seems awfully unfair to me and that’s one of the many reasons I choose not to believe.”
You have to remember though, that even if you allow that God/Jesus knew what decision Judas would make…it was still HIS decision. God did not cause him to make it. And you also have to remember that while God may have known in advance the outcome, Judas did not.
I have a different take on it myself, which is that those “all knowing” stories about Jesus did not start to appear unil WELL AFTER he was dead.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
Normal:
I hear you ………….. but if I and millions of others are right, that would be a terrible reason to go into eternity without God.
jt
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
George W
I think you misconstrued my position. Everyone should have a defensive arsenal although the NRA is not a good orginization.(responsible for electing many democrats, and furthermore, they are behind these asinine laws about 21 years of age and up). Gun owners of America is more conducive to Liberty.
Guns keep a corrupt government at bay.
I disagree with Scout on his Muslim boogymannerisms but his principles are rock solid.
I’m out.
“Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest.” ~ John Stuart Mill
Keep up the good fight!
February 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
Scout Zero…let me explain it to you this way. There are restrictions and limitations on when and how the 4, 5 and 6th Amendments are applied. There are times you are entitled to Miranda and times you are not. Your interpretation of the 2d Amendment is not sacred, it is an interpretation. There is NO valid argument that the US Constitutions precludes any and all Federal or State Governments restrictions on gun.
As for your claims that “technical violations happen quite often” that would be an indictment of police officers generally who fail to follow rules like violating search and seizure rules, illegal wiretaps, etc. and perhaps some people pay the price because the police officers did not follow rules like being beaten after surrender, or being killed on a no-knock entry…..but your unsupported claim that it happens “quite often” is simply in error.
Get a Grip
February 24th, 2011
2:10 pm
Bookman never lets facts get in the way of an emotional plea does he.
You are cowards when you deny someone the right to defend themselves.
Here’s an emotional story that shows what happens when you are DENIED the right to defend yourself.
The Second Amendment March organization held a rally in Little Rock on Saturday, February 27th at Barton Coliseum. Even though the rally experienced a light turnout, many speakers got a chance to espouse their views. One of these speakers particularly stood out in my eyes.
Nikki Goeser had a unique story to tell, an especially heart-rending one. Her husband, the love of her life, Ben Goeser, was gunned down in early April of last year. It happened while she and Ben were setting up mobile karaoke equipment; she was forced to watch this unfold in front of her eyes, helplessly knowing her handgun was in her car in the parking lot. She had been disarmed by Tennessee law forbidding firearms in restaurants.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: The tragic story of Nikki Goeser – Fort Smith gun rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-fort-smith/the-tragic-story-of-nikki-goeser#ixzz1EuArdn1H
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-fort-smith/the-tragic-story-of-nikki-goeser
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
2:10 pm
This isn’t about doing what’s right. This is about the GOP whoring for the NRA. Republicans do anything for a buck.
Kinda like the DNC wh0ring for the unions ain’t it?
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
2:10 pm
We’ll, we’ve about worn this one out.
See you later ……………………
NIght Train
February 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
AmVet, Please explain what a “Cop Killer” bullet is. I’ve never seen them in any gun store I’ve been in.
NRA only has 4 million members. That may be right but they have another 4 million + people who support them. I being in the second group. Why you ask, do I not join the NRA? If the bed wetters ever pass a law to ban guns, who do you think they will go after first? NRA members.
I’ve worked on a campus for over 25 years and can assure there are guns on campus every day.
Bosch, You claim that “guns should not be allowed on campus, period” That’s just your opinion and we know what opinions are…
Some have said that a 19 or 20 year old is too dumb to carry a gun on campus. I would like to point out their are plenty of 19 and 20 year old people defending our country.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
Scout,
You are neither undercover or off-duty but you go ahead and start flailing your little rod around in a crowd the next time you see an opportunity arise and get some innocent bystander hurt as a result of your antics. Go for it.
md
February 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
“In 2004 the most recent year for which data is available, there were 29,569 gun deaths in the US.”
Now, post the numbers from Mexico………..I think there has been a wee bit of an increase since they passed their gun ban……………
Criminals could care less what the laws say…….why would anyone want them to know nobody else is armed??
JMoore
February 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
As I recall recently people were killed at the University of Texas because people are not allowed to defend themselves. Several years the same thing happened at Texas Tech University. Three or so people died there. Why would you not let people who go through rigid federal and state background checks be allowed to defend innocent victime? Or would you prefer some crazy muslim repeast which was done in Fort Hood. How many were wounded or died there–18 or so?
Fred
February 24th, 2011
2:13 pm
It is none of a doctors damn business whether or not I own a gun.
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
2:14 pm
Kinda like the DNC wh0ring for the unions ain’t it?
It may be in your mind but all I see the unions asking for are their rights to collective bargaining whereas the NRA is in it to make sure that gun manufacturers have as big a market for profiting off of death as possible.
getalife
February 24th, 2011
2:14 pm
Yes, most are wh ores for corporate including the media.
They spend most of their lives bowing down for that corporate dollar.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
2:14 pm
“It is none of a doctors damn business whether or not I own a gun”
And no one is forcing you to answer the question.
well
February 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
Anyone here know who stopped the Pearle Miss school shooter-and how he did it?
Darwin
February 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
John Galt @2:02 PM One of the posts above mentions that a daughter carries a firearm that’s “registered.” That must not be in Georgia. There’s no legal requirement for registration of firearms here. A weapons license is required to carry a concealed weapon, but not to own said weapon.
Georgia does not require the registration of firearms owned by citizens. Georgia law actually prohibits local city/county governments from registering firearms when applying for a firearms license. However dangerous weapons (as described above) must be registered in compliance with the National Firearm Act (NFA) of 1934 and Federal Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968.
George W
February 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
The Price is right….why do you hate the constitution?
Moe
February 24th, 2011
2:18 pm
This shooting happened OFF campus.
Real Scooter
February 24th, 2011
2:18 pm
NJ
February 24th, 2011
1:49 pm
We are glad you are going back to being a yankee intead of being here and being a damn yankee! Yee Haw!
The Price is Right
February 24th, 2011
2:18 pm
George W,
I could care less about your constitutional.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
“This shooting happened OFF campus”
I’ve got the answer! We let them have guns on campus…but they have to leave them there when they go home. How’s that?