Obama abandons defense of federal gay-marriage ban
The Obama administration has announced it will no longer try to defend Section 3 of the federal Defense of Marriage Act from lawsuits alleging the law is unconstitutional. (The law forbids the federal government from recognizing any marriage other than that between a man and a woman.)
The decision is big news, but probably not as big as some have suggested. In real terms, it probably doesn’t change much at all. As Attorney General Eric Holder noted in the announcement:
“Section 3 of DOMA will continue to remain in effect unless Congress repeals it or there is a final judicial finding that strikes it down, and the President has informed me that the Executive Branch will continue to enforce the law. But while both the wisdom and the legality of Section 3 of DOMA will continue to be the subject of both extensive litigation and public debate, this Administration will no longer assert its constitutionality in court.”
In other words, it’s still law, and despite concerns about constitutionality, the Obama administration will still honor it. Other parties, including members of Congress, are also still free to defend the law from constitutional challenges already underway in several federal court jurisdictions.
One of the constitutional issues at stake involves states rights. Marriage has always been regulated and defined by the states; the federal government, for example, does not issue marriage licenses, and nothing in the Constitution gives it the power to do so. The entire area of family law — marriage, divorce, child custody, etc., — has been a state responsibility.
Last year, a federal judge in Massachusetts — a Nixon appointee — ruled the law unconstitutional on just those grounds, citing the Tenth Amendment:
It is a fundamental principle underlying our federalist system of government that “[e]very law enacted by Congress must be based on one or more of its powers enumerated in the Constitution.” And, correspondingly, the Tenth Amendment provides that “[t]he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” The division between state and federal powers delineated by the Constitution is not merely “formalistic.” Rather, the Tenth Amendment “leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty.” This reflects a founding principle of governance in this country, that “[s]tates are not mere political subdivision of the United States,” but rather sovereigns unto themselves.”
Despite their professed reverence for the Tenth Amendment — U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, you might recall, said “the very future of freedom and limited government depends (on it)” — I doubt many conservatives will find the judge’s logic convincing.
– Jay Bookman
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jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
Thanks Obama for doing 2 years later what you should have done on 1.21.2009.
Guy Incognito
February 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm
Hmmmm, how’s that going to play in the black churches, whose members are much more homophobic than the population in general?????
Tom Middleton
February 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm
It ain’t freedom unless people are actually free. Thank you, Mr. President. We’re getting there!
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm
Such good news…..
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm
It’s a start. The REAL good news will be when the law is struck down or repealed
Port O'John
February 23rd, 2011
2:40 pm
Nobody is more homophobic than conservative, white, southern baptists. When it comes to hating gays, the Georgia GOP does not come in second place.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2011
2:43 pm
Speaker of the House John Boehner has released a statement concering this.
(Get the screen cleaner ready)
“While Americans want Washington to focus on creating jobs and cutting spending, the President will have to explain why he thinks now is the appropriate time to stir up a controversial issue that sharply divides the nation.”
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm
Where’s that wonderful “commerce clause”…..
I’m all for states rights. I have no idea how one deals with the issue of marriages announced in one state being honored in another state where they are illegal…. that’ll be a head scratcher.
What does a gay couple do when they move to another state where their marriage isn’t recognized?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
“The REAL good news will be when the law is struck down or repealed”
I’m all for “let’s throw out all laws that fall under the commerce clause”. Wait a sec…. there goes Obamacare.
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
The funny thing is, Scout now has his example of what the Tenth Amendment outlaws….
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm
“Obama abandons defense of federal gay-marriage ban”
Wow, now there’s a real shock, huh.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm
It’s kind of amazing gays can’t obtain equal rights considering how powerful we are: http://www.christchurchquake.net/html/articlesList.html
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm
“What does a gay couple do when they move to another state where their marriage isn’t recognized?”
I’m all for federalism, but people need to realize the shortcomings. I don’t think people will be passing laws in favor of gay marriage anytime soon in red states. Meaning, gay folks will be “free to move about the country” without issue, in Blue States…. a bit of a mess, but that’s federalism.
Ok, good. So now gays can get married where its legal (when the law is finally declared unconstitutional). I look forward to seeing Jay celebrate when Obamacare is repealed.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm
No matter how you lean politically, this headline is hilarious…
“400-pound woman attacks roommate — for eating her cookies…”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/22/2011-02-22_florida_woman_busted_for_assaulting_roommate_over_girl_scout_cookies.html
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:51 pm
jc 2:47 – your comment was funny. the articles, not so much.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:52 pm
Leg Lamp – my dog ate 2 boxes of girl scout cookies last week. My wife was p-ssed, seriously. I was nervous. I put him in the back yard after telling him I’d do my best to get my wife a valium, but until then, hide out in the woods.
Blog God
February 23rd, 2011
2:53 pm
Wow, jewcowboy, whatever you say….from now on….I’m on your side…..
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
JCB – I didn’t know you were gay.
I knew there was something about you!!!
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
Leg Lamp – is Rush still mad at her?
arnold
February 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
Don’t worry. Georgia will fight to the end to ban gay marriage. Then the banners can follow the Libya nut case into martydom.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm
jm,
“the articles, not so much.”
It makes one wonder who would put so much money and time behind their whackjob ideas…
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm
midori – cowboy is one word. This is a JCB
http://www.jcbna.com/products/2-construction/
Aquagirl
February 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
Thanks for the link jewcowboy, I never realized there was a sub-species of Swamp Lesbians. Highly informative.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
Port O’John
February 23rd, 2011
2:40 pm
And no one is more prone to hate speech than those Wisc union members who basically shut down school, paraded around with illegal doctor’s excuses, and held signs comparing the situation to:
Hitler
Mussolini
Mubarek
Rape
Death
Fascism
WTF
Glad to know their cause was “for the children” and not themselves.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
jewcowboy – money and time….. lot’s of people with that. Or else why would EPI issue a multi-page bogus research report crafted by a bunch of the heads of labor unions?
BTW, Jay, willing to admit the EPI report is so biased as to not be credible due to the source?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
????????
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Midori,
“I didn’t know you were gay.”
And evidently all powerful…least in geological aspects…
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Despite their professed reverence for the Tenth Amendment — U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, you might recall, said “the very future of freedom and limited government depends (on it)” — I doubt many conservatives will find the judge’s logic convincing.
Because like all things wingnuts, they lalalalalala love the Constitution, until it gets in the way of their hypocrisy.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Leg Lamp – don’t forget comparing Walker to “Darth Vader”. Even though he brought balance to the force…. obviously they don’t have their star wars facts straight. Crike.
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
jm, the Constitution requires those marriages be recognized.
“The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.”
The courts haven’t had to confront that one yet, but once they do I think there’s only one way they can go.
arnold
February 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”…..
February 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
Why aren’t the police, firefighters, etc also not in the crosshairs of the Wisc. Governor? Is it because they supported his election?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Were you impressed with the FL judges logic that Obamacare is unconstitutional? People in glass trailers…….
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
Jay – there’s also this:
Section 1 – Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
Bosch 2:58 whatever.
Hey, question. If 2 people get married across state lines, is that commerce? Just curious…. the 9 should have a field day with this question.
USMC dawg
February 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
“Obama abandons defense of federal gay-marriage ban”
So Obama was against it BEFORE he was FOR it…
Haven’t we heard this somewhere before?
Just in time for his 2012 election campaign… How convenient!
Marriage: The union between a man and a woman.
What is wrong with “Civil Unions”?
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
that too, Doggone.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
jm,
“This is a JCB”
Well…I used to resemble that backhoe in my early years…but that is another story,
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm
Jay 2:59 – guess it comes down to the constitutionality of the law then. well, lot’s of fun stuff before the SCOTUS soon enough. Obamacare, gay marriage, (and I’m sure a host of low profile but important items). Lively….
Chuck Anziulewicz
February 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm
WELL IT’S ABOUT TIME! The Obama Administration obviously dropped its defense of DOMA, because from a Constitutional standpoint there is no defense! DOMA sets up differing legal standards for Gay and Straight couples. Because of DOMA, even Gay couples who are legally married in Iowa or Massachusetts are unrecognized by the federal government for the purposes of tax law and Social Security; obviously this violates the 14th Amendment. Also, such couples become “UN-married” if they move across state lines, so DOMA violates the “Full Faith & Credit” clause. Thank goodness DOMA’s days are finally numbered!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm
Doggone 3:01 – good one. handy dandy.
JohnnyReb
February 23rd, 2011
3:04 pm
I changed my mind before it was repealed to support doing away with DADT. My jury is still out on gay marriage. I would have preferred this latest arrogance from Obama be over something other than gay marriage. With that stated, Obama does not have the authority to declare portions of law unconstitutional. That decision is for the court system.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:04 pm
“that too, Doggone.”
That screaming you hear is Doggone running around her office parking lot screaming in elation that Jay recognized her.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
jewcowboy 3:02 – JCB’s, made in Savannah….
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
Off topic, but from the AJC:
Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, who had urged GOP legislators not to act on the right-to-work bill this year…
….because I’m gonna run for President and don’t want to piss off a bunch of people….
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
Enter your comments here
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
Koch “She’s a real piece of a$$”, Walker “oh Yeah”, Koch: “I’ll…show you a good time”
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/wolcott/2011/02/great-white-hope-gets-rope-a-doped.html
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
JCB, so I take that to mean that New Zealand counts among its residents at least one boneheaded homophobe?
ya learn something new every day.
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The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:07 pm
GALLUP: DC, Hawaii Still Most Approving of Obama; All States Decline…
2012 Ad Blitz for Obama Planned…
Army of community organizers to carry ‘movement forward for years to come’…
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:07 pm
USMC dawg,
“What is wrong with “Civil Unions”?”
Will you civilly unite with me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47cJSou-6JQ
http://www.huliq.com/10304/hawaii-approves-bill-legalizing-civil-unions
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
No thomas, I won’t. I only enter my comments in the box.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
“With that stated, Obama does not have the authority to declare portions of law unconstitutional. That decision is for the court system”
You can rest easy. He didn’t. He just said they will stop trying to prove it IS constitutional. Not the same thing.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
Well, Obama gets an F for “fixing” Guantanamo, rendition, improving the business climate, climate change legislation, responsible budgeting, etc etc.
But he should be getting good grades for new regulations, more spending, and gay rights in this country (even if it is slow).
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
I bet this is making divorce lawyers everywhere happy.
Opening up an entire new client base.
More money for the divorce lawyers.
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
why did you eat Rush’s cookies, Lamp?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
Sort of like Team Obama moving to full election mode:
* Will no longer back DOMA
* Automatically backs the Wisc unions when one of the main points of the Governor’s plan is to have the individuals fund more of their cadillac plans. The type of plans Obamacare will heavily tax.
and he’s just getting started with the pandering.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
why did you eat Rush’s cookies
is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
jm – just guessing — the “f” is from you, right?
you’re a gnat in his world.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
I have no idea to what you’re referring. Too much chili, perhaps?
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
stands,
Ewwwww….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
From downstairs:
Joe The Plumber Too
February 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
Wow, what a shocker!!!!!!!!!!! obozo has instucted holder to not obey and honor Federal Law again. He can sit in the Oval Office and decide what is Constitutional and what isn’t, what a joke, who needs the SCOTUS when we have such a scholar as little barry.
I wonder how that crow will taste. All that blasting about him telling Holder not to obey and honor law shows how ignorant and disconnected people can appear when they do not read the entire story. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! And then they attack those who educate… LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
LOL – Hi Stands.
You’ve been hanging around RW or something?
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
jm – just guessing — the “f” is from you, right?
we should keep Gitmo open so we’ll have a place to put the concern trolls.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
thomas,
“More money for the divorce lawyers.”
As well as for state and federal coffers…
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/studies-gay-marriage-boosts-state-budgets
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Unfortunately, Lamp – I can’t eat chili any more.
Stay current, will you?
I’m now into hummus.
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Hey Midori!
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm
Midori – “I can’t eat chili any more.”
Yikes!
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm
Hi Midori!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Gorging ones self on a particular delight does have its drawbacks.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm
Midori – “I can’t eat chili any more.”
Yikes!
yeah, that’d be up there with losing a job or getting burglarized, for me.
.
.
(ok, I exaggerate by as much as 12 percent.)
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm
“What is wrong with “Civil Unions”?” – I’m wondering the same thing if they have the EXACT same privileges as marriage.
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
Did I or it seriously demand your comments again.
Either the blog god or myself is in serious need of an etiquette class or atleast some common southern decency!
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:15 pm
Hi Boschie
Hi Granny
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:16 pm
I’m wondering the same thing if they have the EXACT same privileges as marriage.
We’ve been through this before. There’s a whole lotta state/local code out there referring to marriage, spouses, etc., that’d have to be fixed.
While a part of me figures, why not just make all legal marriages “civil unions,” I think it’d be a lot simpler to just acknowledge that same-sexers make lifelong commitments that should be recognized as such.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
Peadawg,
“I’m wondering the same thing if they have the EXACT same privileges as marriage.”
I guess you’ve never heard that separate is not equal. The act of creating separate “civil unions” is a way to create an uneq
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
thomas,
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
“I wonder how that crow will taste.”
While you’re “LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL” why not ask Obama how the “closing Gitmo” and “getting rid of the Bush tax cuts for the rich” crow tastes.
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
um, jewcowboy, methinks Blog God needed a snack and ate your post.
Moderate Line
February 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
Despite their professed reverence for the Tenth Amendment — U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, you might recall, said “the very future of freedom and limited government depends (on it)” — I doubt many conservatives will find the judge’s logic convincing.
++++
Now the left is the great defender of the 10th amendment. Both sides are rather hypocritical. The Feds can’t pass a law defining marriage but they can pass a law forcing people to buy health care.
From my perspective neither side has any principles. Both will use whatever means necessary to win in order to gain the support of those who vote for them and/or provide them money.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
Peadawg,
I hit enter by mistake..apologies:
“I’m wondering the same thing if they have the EXACT same privileges as marriage.”
I guess you’ve never heard that separate is not equal. The act of creating separate “civil unions” is a way to create an unequal institution that still sends the message that those who have civil unions are NOT the same.
If they give the same rights why not call them the same thing?
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm
Let’s get a couple of things straight:
The ACA will not be repealed.
The ACA’s Constitutional challenges will go to the Supreme Court, where it will be found to be Constitutional.
The WI protests will continue until the governor and Senate members agree to allow collective bargaining rights to remain. This will happen even if you fire them all (remember, if they’re fired, they have no reason NOT to set up camp and stay there).
Any outcomes that are the direct opposite of what I have laid out above are nothing more than far right wing wishful thinking.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm
Bosch,
“methinks Blog God needed a snack and ate your post.”
Nah…its my new “ergonomic” keyboard…that freaking sucks.
FlexSF
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm
Finally, we have a progressive president. Its time to annihilate the sexist, bigoted policies, of the Republican party. Thanks for nothing, you ridiculous fools. Suck on your bibles and choke.
UofMTigerFan
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm
Jay & Doggone/GA: So by your reasoning, my concealed carry permit is now valid in New Jersey, New York, Chicago, etc.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm
What prognosticating skills you possess. Can you give me the 6 winning numbers for tonight’s Powerball?
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
Thats all speculation. But if it does hooray for all.
But I can promise the lawyers will be getting richer.
1 thing about us humans………..
as a general rule, not the only rule, we tend to not be content with only 1 or the same sexual partner….. seems to go against our instincts or desires. Regardless of if we choose to be gay, straight, bi, or whatever it is that gets our “private parts” a twitchin. We all seem to like variety and a lot of it.
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm
“I hit enter by mistake..apologies:” – LOL I was wondering about that. Chomp Chomp Bosch!
“If they give the same rights why not call them the same thing?” – Because they aren’t the same thing. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm
“He just said they will stop trying to prove it IS constitutional. ” Well, I hope he stops trying to enforce Obamacare also….
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:24 pm
FlexSF
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 pm
Yes, those eloquent, even-tempered “progressives” who wave banners in Wisc with:
Hitler
Mussolini
Mubarek
Rape
Death
Fascism
WTF
And they flaunt the fake doctor passes to boot. What role models the children can emulate.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:25 pm
While you’re “LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL” why not ask Obama how the “closing Gitmo” and “getting rid of the Bush tax cuts for the rich” crow tastes.
Ummmmm……. IF you remember, he signed an order to close Gitmo, but GOPer’s got the NIMBY fear and refused to fund the order. Imagine that, a bunch of red-blooded, gun-loving, freedom-praising Republicans afraid of 5′6″ 120lbs (with soaking wet jeans) Afghanis, many of whom can’t even read. As for the “Bush tax cuts for the rich”, I thought the latest memo was that they were now the Obama tax cuts since they were extended? Anyways, they’re on a 2-yr extension, so that crow’s dish isn’t ready yet.
Yet I notice, you didn’t attempt to defend you boy’s foolishness from downstairs? What gives?
JohnnyReb
February 23rd, 2011
3:25 pm
Doggone – Obama took the oath to uphold the law. Not pick and chose to satisfy his political supporters. If he believes that portion of the law unconstitutional, his admininstration should bring a law suit challenging. If he was anything close to Presidential, he would not be trying to make his case in the court of public opinion.
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm
The federal government can’t sue itself, JohnnyReb.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm
jm: Me too. I sure hope I get cut from my health care plan once I get sick! After all, it’s unAmerican to tell insurance companies that they have to honor their agreement.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:25 pm
Riiiiight. The GOP, who was the minority party at the time, stopped the closing of Gitmo. Gee, how convenient it is for you to make excuses.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
thomas,
“But I can promise the lawyers will be getting richer.”
I’m guessing you don’t know what is involved as a gay couple to obtain some of the rights heterosexual couple obtain with a $50 marriage certificate. mr. nonjewcowboy and myself spent, conservatively, $20k on legal fees to “marry.” Things like financial powers of attorney, health care proxies, living wills and revocable living trusts.
My guess is it would be a wash for attorneys.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
Midori 3:10 – we all are, fellow gnat.
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
And TigerFan, that’s an interesting question. Drivers licenses certainly are.
JohnnyReb
February 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm
So, Jay, you are stating there has never been an adminstration taking court action to overturn a law or portions thereof?
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm
““What is wrong with “Civil Unions”?” – I’m wondering the same thing if they have the EXACT same privileges as marriage”
Because changing non-religious marriages to “civil unions” would require changing the wording of all laws pertaining to marriage in all states. It’s easier to just change the definition of marriage, then nothing needs to be changed in the existing laws…except those that limt marriage to a mand and a woman – which shouldn’t exist anyway.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm
Peadawg,
“Marriage is between a man and a woman.”
Not in 5 states and the District of Columbia…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm
Jay & Doggone/GA: So by your reasoning, my concealed carry permit is now valid in New Jersey, New York, Chicago, etc.
If the state you’re permitted in has a reciprocal agreement with another state to recognize their permits, then yes, your permit is valid in those other states. Here’s a map that should help you out.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
3:29 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:25 pm
You must not be a foaming at the mouth lefty or you would have blamed Cheney or the Kock brothers for allowing Gitmo to stay open.
SwamiDave
February 23rd, 2011
3:29 pm
I wonder if Liberals (specifically PrezBO) will be so upbeat when his successor decides to not defend the “constitutionality” of ObamaCare!
Oh the exploding heads of hypocritical outrage that will be on display that day will be entertaining. Get your DVRs ready for that one!
-SD
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:29 pm
Jay 3:26 correct, and indeed it has an obligation to defend the laws of this country,… unlike what he’s doing. I don’t care about this particular law. But I do care about the complete BS this President engages in. I’m sure its nothing new with this country.
But I’m beginning to laugh at people who say and write that we are a nation where the rule of law matters. Its becoming a joke.
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
3:32 pm
JohnnyReb, I can’t recall such a thing.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:32 pm
Jay 3:27 – actually, I think there are agreements recognizing such things. A license is not a “contract” per se. A marriage is a contract that has to be recognized. A permit, as such, I don’t think has to be recognized, and as I said Drivers Licenses are recognized, if I remember correctly, via “pacts.”
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:32 pm
jewcowboy,
And one of those states is Iowa for crying out loud…..Iowa….a bunch of corn farmers thinks its okay for gay people to get married…..but ooooohhhhh nnoooooooo, not us.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:33 pm
Anyone notice that bitching about Gitmo not closing seems to be a full time occupation among online conservatives? sup with that?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:35 pm
Jay – if Wikipedia is to be believed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_License_Agreement
The goals of the DLA are to require each state to honor licenses issued by other member states
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
3:36 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
20k is alot…
but it is 15k just to get started on a contested divorce hearing…. not counting the lawyers hourly wage or ny other fees associated with the case. Thats like 15k just to get the ball rolling….
BTW, waaaaaaay more people would begin to marry if gay marriage was made legal. Which means waaaay more divorce, unless homosexuals are different than heterosexuals it will be about 53% of all 1st time marriages.
So, the lawyer may have a wash on your account, there are many, many others who have not been willing or able to pay the 20k that you have done.
You should have used legal zoom it would have been cheaper!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:36 pm
Leg Lamp
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/
Read thru this page. Initial rejection was from both parties. Dems flip-flopped and tried to fund it. To date the funding still isn’t there because of language inserted into previous legislation that denied funding if it was used to move prisoners to the US.
Not making excuses, just stating facts.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm
Headline – “Forty-nine Democratic lawmakers in Wisconsin and Indiana have fled over bills cutting unions’ collective bargaining powers — a strategy to block austerity-driven budget proposals by Republicans.”
Great. Wonder what the media’s reaction would have been if the Repubs did the same thing on, say, Obamacare?
The Left-nuts….the new party of NO!!
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm
stands,
My guess would be that it’s a very elementary, simple thing conservatives can use to show Obama lied about a campaign promise — not realizing, of course, that he did actually sign the E.O. to close it, but that Congress wouldn’t do it. You know anything else in the category of “Obama lied!” is usually either a) false b) taken way out of context, or c) just a bunch of bs.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm
Bosch – “a bunch of corn farmers thinks its okay for gay people to get married”
What exactly do you have against corn farmers?
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:38 pm
Stands – “Anyone notice that bitching about Gitmo not closing seems to be a full time occupation among online conservatives? sup with that?”
Kind of like bitching about Newt Gingrich is for Left-nuts?
Supwitdat?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm
Funny. Half of Americans keep getting divorced…. and gay people want to get married…. wonder if they know what they’re getting into
buck@gon
February 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm
“And, correspondingly, the Tenth Amendment provides that “[t]he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Washington-Man-Jay,
OK, let’s call a truce. I’ll make every effort to get my side to lay off the federal marriage amendment, and you get your side to overturn Roe v. Wade. The deletion of one stretch of federal overreach deserves another.
But I think we can all be honest, WMJ, can’t we? “Tenth amendment for thee, but not for me.” That’s philosophy of the left isn’t it?
Correspondingly, one could swap tenth amendment in that sentence with “civility” and “accuracy”.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:40 pm
jm – “wonder if they know what they’re getting into ”
Now that’s good!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:40 pm
Democrats are at minimum scofflaws….. of course, while there might be bipartisan activity on this front, that doesn’t make it any better.
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
3:40 pm
“Not in 5 states and the District of Columbia…” – Then please do us all a favor and move there.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:41 pm
You must not be a foaming at the mouth lefty or you would have blamed Cheney or the Kock brothers for allowing Gitmo to stay open.
You’re right about that. I’m not a foaming at the mouth lefty nor a foaming at the mouth righty. I think both groups need to have the old school rabies treatment and be locked into solitary confinement for about 50 years so that people with common friggin’ sense can correct what’s wrong with this country.
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:41 pm
Nice Guy,
While you directed this at sfd, my guess would be the the lefties are bitching about Newt because he’s always in the news spouting off his stupid self, while the whole “Obama didn’t close gitmo” thing is ancient news and he did his part to close it.
Just a guess though.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:42 pm
Kind of like bitching about Newt Gingrich is for Left-nuts?
uh, what?
Kindly cite the number of times I’ve brought up The Newtster in an attempt to deflect attention from the actual topic at hand.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:42 pm
thomas,
“You should have used legal zoom it would have been cheaper!”
Perhaps if the documents we had to have prepared were “common” legal documents. Unfortunately for us…and for many other gay couples…they are uncommon.
buck@gon
February 23rd, 2011
3:43 pm
So, one might wonder, why is O-man. .. …. ahem …” abandoning the defense of gay marriage”….?
Why now at this critical time of spending crisis is he focusing on irrelevant social issues? Is he playing politics? Is he trying to drive a wedge?
Don’t answer that question Libs, because you won’t want to. Funny how in this kooky WMJ forum that only Republicans can be driven apart by wedge issues.
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:43 pm
“the Newtster” — I like that….has a nice ring to it.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:43 pm
Peadawg 3:40 – disagree bucko. I hope folks of all stripes (that accept and adhere to american principles – see exceptions related to muslim extrimists, those believing in caliphates, subservient women, etc etc.) find themselves welcome in our state.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:44 pm
Bosch – “my guess would be the the lefties are bitching about Newt because he’s always in the news spouting off his stupid self”
Which could be linked to his interest in running for Prez?
But its always the same lame stuff with the Dems…all they talk about is his personal past….just like this crowd did all morning on Thy Majesty’s blog.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:44 pm
So, one might wonder, why is O-man. .. …. ahem …” abandoning the defense of gay marriage”….?
golly, maybe you should read a news article or somethin’ to find out.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:44 pm
Peadawg,
“Then please do us all a favor and move there.”
If you go to hell first.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:45 pm
“Kindly cite the number of times I’ve brought up The Newtster ”
Um, Standsy-poo, I didn’t say you specifically….
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:45 pm
Nice Guy,
“…all they talk about is his personal past”
Cause, you know, seriously, there ain’t that much more to talk about when it comes to the Newster — his ideas are pretty ancient and used up.
Mr Right
February 23rd, 2011
3:46 pm
The evils of this world keeps getting worse!!
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:46 pm
buck@gon,
“Why now at this critical time of spending crisis is he focusing on irrelevant social issues? ‘
The same could be asked of House Republicans and abortion…after all, didn’t they win the last election on promises of focusing on the economy?
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm
Dammit — I meant to type the NEWTSTER — I screwed it up the first time I typed it!
buck@gon
February 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm
Besides, why should Obama enforce any laws that he doesn’t want to enforce. It didn’t stop him from ignoring civil rights laws in the black panther election intimidation case in Pennsylvania. We have enough laws, but with selective enforcement, only one side will be disadvantaged by them, while one side will enjoy more freedom to flaunt morality and fairness. Wonder which side that will be?
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm
I’m wondering—thinking ahead five, ten years tops–just how pathetic will the last red-state holdouts be as they try to fight what the rest of the country has already long since recognized regarding marriage equality?
What kind of drooling standard bearers will be doing their George Wallace impressions—”Traditional Marriage Fo-Evah!”—before they’re hauled off and laughed at?
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:48 pm
Bosch – “Cause, you know, seriously, there ain’t that much more to talk about when it comes to the Newster — his ideas are pretty ancient and used up.”
As I stated this morning…this is the very language the Left uses when it comes to Newt.
He’s a threat the Left-nuts wished would just go away…
buck@gon
February 23rd, 2011
3:48 pm
jewcowboy,
see my post to Jay 3:39
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:48 pm
Bosch,
“his ideas are pretty ancient and used up.”
Besides…what has he actually done recently?
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:49 pm
buck@gon,
“see my post to Jay 3:39″
Then why did you just mention Obama “playing politics” and not Republicans as well?
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:49 pm
“he did his part to close it.”
Oh, and Bosch, the whole Obama did HIS part to close GUAN act…c’mon, even he knows there is more to government decision making that just him.
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:50 pm
Nice Guy,
“He’s a threat the Left-nuts wished would just go away…”
In my opinion he really has gone away — just not in the world of the Fox News crowd — I mean, it’s like watching Stephen Tyler on American Idol (not that I have ever seen that show but heard that news) — it’s just kind of painful to think about someone’s ego being that big.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:51 pm
buck@gon,
“why should Obama enforce any laws that he doesn’t want to enforce.”
I guess you’ve never heard of DADT and what the justice Dept. has been doing throughout Obama’s tenure…
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:51 pm
Nice Guy,
Yeah, but in this case, he did his part to close Gitmo:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/
So…um….now it’s up to the buffoons on the Hill….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
3:52 pm
Is he playing politics? Is he trying to drive a wedge?
Kinda like the GOP campaigning on jobs but have yet to introduce any job-creating legislation?
http://www.youtube.com/user/teamisakson#p/u/0/pXz5ZDrzX-w
Where’s Isakson’s legislation for creating jobs???
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:52 pm
jewcowboy,
Well, I hear he’s been a hoot with all the geriatrics…..
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:53 pm
Bosch – “In my opinion he really has gone away”
Well, to each is their own, no doubt. But I don’t think the folks at George Washington University feel the same way, he was on The View with those miserable hags (save Elizabeth, that is).
So, maybe to you, but then again, many people just wished that he’d go away. Jay included.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
3:54 pm
SoCo 3;52 – spending cuts will help create jobs, and they have passed legislation to cut spending. people are terrified of what is going to happen if the government doesn’t dial back its spending….
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
3:54 pm
Off topic, but Nate’s got a pretty encouraging piece about “Decoding the Wisconsin polls.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/decoding-the-wisconsin-polls/
I suspect, then, that the near-term political risks to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker are mostly to the downside. Part of it is that, as in debates over the budget at the federal level, there is an element of what chess players call zugzwang: since any specific solution over deficit reduction is likely to be fairly unpopular, the first mover or perceived aggressor is often at a disadvantage.
The Gallup poll, however, suggests that while reducing benefits and pay for government workers is somewhat unpopular (it is opposed by a 53-44 margin), reducing their collective bargaining rights is much more clearly so (it is opposed 61-33). And Mr. Walker’s budget proposal aims to do some of both.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
stands for decibels,
“last red-state holdouts be as they try to fight what the rest of the country has already long since recognized regarding marriage equality?”
“History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives.” ~ Abba Eban
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
SoCo,
And there’s this GOP guy who is on to the evilness of the light bulbs — thank God for that!
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/02/17/%e2%80%98they-came-for-our-toilets-now-they-want-our-light-bulbs%e2%80%99/?cp=2
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:42 pm
Seems as if all the ones you listed earlier were quite common.
i’ll take yur word for it though.
Are those documents only uncommon and unavailable to gay people or are tehy unavailable to straight people as well? As i noticed you only mentione gay couples in your post.
I understand you being very defensive about this, but why be that way towards me? I could care less if you want to marry, hell I figure its going to make for someinteresting court room drama. Never seen so many real life funny things as the one and only day I went to divorce court for a friend of mine’s divorce.
A sad situation but the events that come from said situation are comedy that can’t be written.
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
Bosch – “So…um….now it’s up to the buffoons on the Hill….”
Fine. He should have thought about that before he made campaign promises saying he’ll close it.
JohnnyReb
February 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
OK Jay, I take your word for it. I do seem to recall past administrations challenging portions of a law, but I don’t have any evidence.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
3:56 pm
Midori, loved this from that link of yours, “As a Tea Party Republican, there is zero chance Walker will be “magnanimous” whatever happens, because that would be interpreted as squishy in the macho masquerade that is modern conservatism.”
Please, please, please cons quit pretending you give a tinker’s damn about rendition, Gitmo, etc.
If one of your chickenhawk neo-cons were in the White House, you’d still be screaming for GITMO to say open and for torture to continue.
The fact is that George got the United States of America added to the list of nations that torture. For the first time in our long history.
For you putzes who contend that BHO is the worst ever, he’s nowhere close to that disgraceful clown preceded him.
Regardless of how many times you fell for him and his cabal being conservatives and how many times you voted for that recidivist failure…
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
3:57 pm
Bosch,
“I hear he’s been a hoot with all the geriatrics…..”
In the beginning stages of Alzheimer?
Nice Guy
February 23rd, 2011
3:57 pm
Gotta go. Peace.
Mr. Peanutty
February 23rd, 2011
3:58 pm
Jay seems to have robbed Scout of his usually freely flowing speech with this one.
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
3:58 pm
Peadawg,
“Then please do us all a favor and move there.”
If you go to hell first.
post of the day!!!!!
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
4:00 pm
“History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives.” ~ Abba Eban
That’s a keeper.
later, all.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:00 pm
jm
No offense to your 3:54, but tax cuts were supposed to do that too. The tax rates have been lowered for over 10 years, yet the net +/- for jobs over that same time period is – to date. Spending cuts only takes money that would spent by the government for business with private and/or public run entities and cut the income for that business entity. When you cut a businesses income back, that does not create jobs.
Before you go all bat shiite crazy, I understand the reasons and logic for cutting government spending. I’m only talking about the reprecussions of those cutbacks. That money does not just disintegrate when it leaves possession of the government.
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
4:00 pm
that entire blog post is a hoot, AmVet
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
4:02 pm
Sorry I’m late for this one. Had to go to get my knees looked at.
I agree with Granny G. that this is indeed, good news and about time.
Marriage between a man and woman is religious based and should have no context due to separation of church and state. Let a man or a woman marry whomever they choose and be miserable like the rest of us… Just kidding. Did I mention I’m going to be a three time Great Grandpa come September?
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
4:03 pm
“post of the day!!!!!”
Agreed, Midori.
I wonder just how many mice PD has in his pocket? (Do us all a favor…)
One would think that the governor of a state would not be so stupid as to get Ashton Kutchered and show his ugly ass in the process.
Jeez, what a work of art…
Pogo
February 23rd, 2011
4:05 pm
That “Bunch” of people you refer to Bosch is really quite small when compared to the working populace. But who knows? Squeaky wheels sometimes get the grease. But this instance, I think it is only serving to piss off the masses who are not “public workers” and “union members”. Something is shifting in this country and it isn’t going to be pleasant for any of us. When taxpayer money has been provided to people in such quantities for such an extended period of time, they, like heroin addicts, have to go through withdrawal when their supply is cut off. Well, the money just plain isn’t there anymore in this country and they better get themselves into a financial 12 step program because the crap is about to hit the fan.
I am glad I don’t live in a big city.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:08 pm
thomas,
“Seems as if all the ones you listed earlier were quite common.”
mr. nonjewcowboy and myself had about 75 different legal documents each to gain some of the 1000 rights heterosexual couples get with marriage certificate.
“Are those documents only uncommon and unavailable to gay people or are tehy unavailable to straight people as well? ”
Straight couples don’t have to…because they can get married. It’s more like a business arrangement, as it involves mostly property arrangements..but also things like hospital visitations. It’s as if two business partners want to share their personal lives in their business dealings.
“I understand you being very defensive about this, but why be that way towards me?”
I’m not being defensive…if I’ve come across that way I apologize. But, frankly, from your posts it is obvious you’ve never dealt with this on a personal level…and I have.
But on your topic of divorce…there is scant info about gay marriage divorce rates…b/c so few can actually get married. But it does raise another question. If a state doesn’t recognize gay marriage… can it recognize a divorce? http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-15-gay-divorces_N.htm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:08 pm
Bosch
I wonder how many of these companies have doused Loudermilk with campaign cash……
http://www.thomasnet.com/georgia/lighting-equipment-incandescent-44070605-1.html
I’m thinking Apex, because Siemens is a German, though multinational, company. Possible issues of foreign cash might pop up from that donation.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:09 pm
Normal,
“Did I mention I’m going to be a three time Great Grandpa come September?”
Congrats!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:13 pm
Go Wisconsin!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 23rd, 2011
4:14 pm
Well, we’re headed down that slippery slope to where they’ll line us men up and make us get married to some big hairy man. That’s where we’re headed, you can bet on that. After awhile they’ll make us invite gay married couples into our churches and clubs. And make our preachers marry a gay man to a gay man and a gay woman to a gay woman. That slope’s awful slippery and we’ll find ourselfs at the bottom lickety-split.
I just don’t see why the Supreme Court can’t come out and say this law against gay marriage is constitutional. I mean, they’re mostly Republicans and I know they want to do the Right thing. The constitution is what we say it is because we won the last election.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:15 pm
With Obamacare, familiarity breeds contempt. Nearly one year after its enactment, 57 percent of Americans want Obamacare repealed, while only 38 percent oppose repeal, according to a February 12-13 Rasmussen Reports survey of 1,000 likely voters. (Margin of error: +/- 3 percent.)
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:17 pm
Redneck Convert,
“make us get married to some big hairy man”
I’ll take the big hairy ones…How about the hairless effeminate men for all the Redneck Converts?
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
4:18 pm
The constitution is what we say it is because we won the last election.
That is beautiful. And so damn true…
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
4:19 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:08 pm
What specifically gave you the impression I have never dealt with this on a personal level? Specifically. Shouldn’t be too hard as you said it was obvious!
Kinda arrogant to make that statement on your behalf, as you know nothing about me or my family and loved ones, absolutely nothing. You do understand that people sometimes have the need to fill out any of the documents you listed, and the 2 parties have no interest to get married don’t you? You cannot be calling for them to get married as a way of avoiding the fees.
As far as divorce goes, how could one legally divorce ones self from any ocntract or union if the original contract or union is not recognized?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:25 pm
Dead thread.
New one? 3rd Federal Judge rules in favor of Obamacare….
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:28 pm
thomas,
“What specifically gave you the impression I have never dealt with this on a personal level?”
“You should have used legal zoom it would have been cheaper!”
“Are those documents only uncommon and unavailable to gay people or are tehy unavailable to straight people as well? ”
This might have given you away…
“Kinda arrogant to make that statement on your behalf, as you know nothing about me or my family and loved ones, absolutely nothing.”
Not if one reads what you wrote…
“You cannot be calling for them to get married as a way of avoiding the fees.”
I’m not…I’m calling for gay couples to be able to get married so they don’t have to spend $20K to obtain a fraction of the rights straight couples have.
“how could one legally divorce ones self from any ocntract or union if the original contract or union is not recognized?”
Good question…one that some states are now having to figure out.
barking frog
February 23rd, 2011
4:29 pm
seems like the 14th and 10th create some conflict on the
Sovereign State issue but the SCOTUS has never been known
to rule when they can run….
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:30 pm
Looks like the Middle East, in the immortal words of Hank Johnson, is “tipping over”.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:30 pm
jm,
“3rd Federal Judge rules in favor of Obamacare….”
Its all just mental masturbation until it goes to the Supreme Court.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:36 pm
jc 4:30 – agreed. although some people are inclined to believe the rulings will influence SCOTUS decisions. Although I kind of doubt it…
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:36 pm
jm,
“Dead thread.”
The thing I do find interesting is how indifferently people act towards the subject of gay marriage now.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:36 pm
Of note, the 3rd ruling was from a Democrat appointed judge.
jconservative
February 23rd, 2011
4:38 pm
Interesting case but the kicker is in the pipeline headed for the Supreme Court. This is the California Prop 8 case being marshalled by Ted Olson and David Boies.
Said Olson: “Our Constitution guarantees every American the right to be treated equally under the law. There is no right more fundamental than the right to marry the person that you love and to raise a family.”
I am sure the Court would like to avoid this case, but it is on the way.
Mr. Peanutty
February 23rd, 2011
4:38 pm
thomas is a divorced gay person! Who’d a thunk it.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:38 pm
waddawe live in? a centrally planned economy?
UPDATE 2-U.S. banks told they need to start lending again
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/23/financial-regulation-fdic-idUSN2317925320110223
Bair can go fly a kite for all I care.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:40 pm
jewcowboy 4:36 – I think its related to the recession. People are probably inclined to believe the condition of their economy and jobs are far more important than worrying about gay marriage issues.
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
4:41 pm
jewcowboy,
Well Scout wasn’t here to tell you all that you’re going to hell and all….
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
4:41 pm
barking frog
February 23rd, 2011
4:29 pm
“..never been known to rule when they can run…”
Are you referring to the SCOTUS or the Democrat elected officials in Wisconsin and Indiana.
.
Mr. Peanutty
February 23rd, 2011
4:42 pm
People are probably inclined to believe the condition of their economy and jobs are far more important than worrying about gay marriage issues.
That’s why you’ll never hear anything about abortion during these hard financial times or anything about union busting during these hard financial times or…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:43 pm
jcb
On the subject of gay marriage, I’m one of those who think congress and state legislatures need to focus on other crap. Two men getting married or civil unionized will not affect what my wife and I do at home. I think that allowing gays to marry would actually improve marriage statistics and lower divorce rates. If you can live with the same person for 10+ years and you haven’t choked the sh*t out of each other, you can stay married forever.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:44 pm
Mr. Peanutty – aka thou who speaks in absolutes
“never”
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:45 pm
jm,
“People are probably inclined to believe the condition of their economy and jobs are far more important than worrying about gay marriage issues.”
You’re probably right…which begs the question of why do they care any other time.
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
4:45 pm
and those who ruled differently were appointed by Republicans.
If there is a point you were trying to make…………………
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
4:47 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:28 pm
Again you had to make many assumptions about me to come to that conclusion. Never and obvious are strong words and seems you may have misused them.
1st that the legal zoom question was for real the first time, you think or you think it was just a dumb joke? Your sensativity got the best of you there, or a lack of a sense of humor. Hope you didn’t take it as demeaning as your the tone of your post after it would indicate, wouldn’t make it obvious but it would indicate it.
I only went back to it because of your wording that gay people were the only ones who would need these documents. From that point on I was F**king with you because it had became apparent you were going to be defensive in the issue. You confirmed it by claiming that straight people wanting those documents previously mentioned could just get married. Well whatif they need those papers but have no romantic connection to each other? Didn’t think of that one did you?
If the states do not validate teh original contract of marriage there is no questionto be answered. They cannot get a divorce if the state never acknowledged their marriage. I would imagine teh court caase would be thrown out after the court was uable to show an actual marriage having taken place. And right or wrong if the state does not recognize the marriage what exactly would one be getting a divorce from?
Or are you speaking more to the splitting of shared property, and or alimony?
if so an arbitrator should be able to handle he procedure and thus it would not be a divorce.
But I may have all of that backwards.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
4:47 pm
Is there a Baltimore, Puerto Rico, or Baltimore, Mexico?
“BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Seventeen Baltimore City police officers and two brothers who own a car repair shop have been charged with conspiring to commit extortion in connection with a scheme in which the repair shop owners paid police officers to arrange for their company, rather than a city-authorized company, to tow vehicles from accident scenes and make repairs.”
“The following defendants, all from Maryland, are charged in the conspiracy:
Hernan Alexis Moreno Mejia (Moreno), age 30, of Rosedale; Moreno’s brother, Edwin Javier Mejia, age 27, of Middle River; Eddy Arias, age 39, of Catonsville; Eric Ivan Ayala Olivera, age 35, of Edgewood; Rodney Cintron, age 31, of Middle River; Jhonn S. Corona, age 32, of Rosedale; Michael Lee Cross, age 28, of Reisterstown; Jerry Edward Diggs, Jr., age 24, of Baltimore; Rafael Concepcion Feliciano Jr., age 30, of Baltimore; Jaime Luis Lugo Rivera, age 35, of Aberdeen; Kelvin Quade Manrich, age 41, of Gwynn Oak; Luis Nunez, age 33, of Baltimore; Samuel Ocasio, age 35, of Edgewood; David Reeping, age 41, of Baltimore; Jermaine Rice, age 28, of Owings Mills; Leonel Rodriguez Torres, age 31, of Edgewood; Marcos Fernando Urena, age 33, of Baltimore; Osvaldo Valentine, age 38, of Edgewood; and Henry Yambo, age 28, of Reisterstown.”
Also, will the policemen’s union back these guys?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:48 pm
You’re probably right…which begs the question of why do they care any other time.
Christ Syndrome. They want to absolve everyone’s sins, not realizing that the only sins they can repent of are their personal sins.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:49 pm
Bosch,
“Well Scout wasn’t here to tell you all that you’re going to hell and all….”
I’m probably going to hell…but not b/c of who I bugger…
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:50 pm
jewcowboy 4:45 – star bellied sneeches. people are animals, and always looking to find a difference between them.
If protestants aren’t fighting catholics, then christians are fighting muslims who are fighting jews, and if its not that, its skin color or some such other thing…..
I dunno. I don’t fault some people for having a moral objection to those who are gay. But I don’t think they should be entitled to imprint their version of morals onto other people.
Although those who contemplate morals, culture, governance, ethics, etc. with respect to the endurance of a nation, might have a different view.
Round and round…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:51 pm
Also, will the policemen’s union back these guys?
If they’re union, they have the option of having union representation at any administrative hearings. When it comes to criminal court, hell no the union won’t back them. Policemen already have to fight the stigma of corruptness. Do you actually believe they would literally back corruption in plain sight? That’s damn near a personal insult to me.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:51 pm
Southern Comfort,
“If you can live with the same person for 10+ years and you haven’t choked the sh*t out of each other, you can stay married forever.”
I heard that!
A couple of thoughts...
February 23rd, 2011
4:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94&feature=related
Because most won’t understand or see the humor, Jay is Spike and all his regular kiss @$$es – the ankle biter…
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
4:52 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:30 pm
&
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:40 pm
Seems to me people have just made up their minds on this issue and most of usunderstand nothing we say or do is going to influence or change the opinion of the “other” group.
Only those who enjoy watching people fight and argue for the purpose of making money (Jay Bookman)
and those who are waaaaaaaay right or waaaaaay left even see much use for debating the issue any longer.
But from what it seems many/most have already came to a conlusion on this and do not feel any further need to debate and upset and/or hurt other people’s feelings. Except those hoping to exploit the issue and people’s opinions about the issue.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:53 pm
jewcowboy 4:45 – like it or not, government and society cannot exist in the absence of a moral paradigm. Whether said moral paradigm should include rendering a verdict on the ability of 2 women or 2 men to get married is probably for philosophers (and voters) to solve.
Pogo
February 23rd, 2011
4:54 pm
Did anyone see the thing about Israel being attacked by rockets today? “Democracy” in the Middle East is how the mainstream media in the US initially heralded the happenings over there (including Jay). Now, they are mostly silent because they know they just may have “screwed the pooch” on that one. The Middle East is about to swing to Sharia law and we, as Americans, are not going to like that at all. Because of it, oil is about to skyrocket and gasoline is naturally going to follow. That is not the only result we won’t like but it is very important. That compiled with the inflationary “monetary easing” actions of Obama’s Fed are going to work out real well, don’t you think? How does $4.00 for a loaf of bread sound to you? And what is so laughable (if it wasn’t so pitiful), Obama and his EPA have placed such a regulatory burden on the US drilling for our own resources that even our children will be way worse off than ourselves because it would take about 10 years to get to 100% production and to make an impact even if he lifted them today.
$5.00/gal gasoline and bread at $3.50/loaf = Obama gone in 2012 and good riddance to bad rubbish. And even if he somehow won, which I doubt, he loses. Congress will be in the hands of the republicans after next November which means he would have to whip out his veto pen on every law which would result in nothing getting done. In Obama’s case, nothing getting done is far better than him having his way. Soros, Immelt and Stearn are his loyal advisors (and his masters) and no president could have a more unsavory bunch advising him. He is totally open to their advice which means he must believe that he, like them, believes that it is all about himself. Not what is best for the country. And that is all he has ever cared about.
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
4:54 pm
SoCo – that was one of the stupidest questions to ever grace this blog.
and the competition was monumentally heavy!!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:56 pm
Pogo – give it some time. Progress doesn’t happen overnight although apparently revolutions do.
You may be right, but better to wait before rendering a verdict.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
4:56 pm
“Whether said moral paradigm should include rendering a verdict on the ability of 2 women or 2 men to get married is probably for philosophers (and voters) to solve”
It was “solved” a long time ago, when equal rights were written into our constitution. Now it’s time for our society to catch up.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:57 pm
that was one of the stupidest questions to ever grace this blog.
Damn!!! I didn’t think about it like that, and there have been many a doozy too….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm
The Middle East is about to swing to Sharia law and we, as Americans, are not going to like that at all.
With a nuclear Israel, I’m not sold on that idea yet…..
Because of it, oil is about to skyrocket and gasoline is naturally going to follow.
Should have listened to that oil guy, T. Boone….. The US has loads of natural gas at our disposal, and it’s not very expensive to convert cars over.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm
Holy sh-t. People have made some dough if the bet Ghaddafi is going to be gone.
http://www.intrade.com/
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:00 pm
Wowwwwwww. Odds on Bahrain guy gone, 65%, yemen 60%, iran 20%
A couple of thoughts...
February 23rd, 2011
5:00 pm
And Tuck goes off the deep end this afternoon. DuhAng woman!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:01 pm
So the Saudi’s have their own “stimulus” package.
“Saudi King Abdullah returned home on Wednesday after a three-month medical absence and unveiled benefits for Saudis worth some $37 billion (23 billion pounds) in an apparent bid to insulate the world’s top oil exporter from an Arab protest wave.”
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm
thomas,
Dude…get your panties out of the wad you’ve bunched them in.
“you think or you think it was just a dumb joke?”
Um no..I didn’t think it was a dumb joke, otherwise I wouldn’t have answered @ 3.42 the way I did.
“Hope you didn’t take it as demeaning as your the tone of your post after it would indicate”
Perhaps your own sensitivity is getting to you.
“I only went back to it because of your wording that gay people were the only ones who would need these documents.”
I didn’t say only gay couple would need them…I even gave you an example of when someone else might need them…I simply stated they are uncommon…as most people who would need to replicate marriage rights can obtain them through marriage.
“Didn’t think of that one did you?”
Yeah…and I gave you an example.
“Or are you speaking more to the splitting of shared property, and or alimony?”
More from the community property aspect.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm
Intrade – Obama still has a 61% chance…… as of now. on intrade.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm
JAY @ 2:46
“The funny thing is, Scout now has his example of what the Tenth Amendment outlaws….”
SOME THOUGHTS:
1) This issue is so important I have always supported a Constitutional Amendment route.
2) In this case the judge and the 10th Amendment are right …….. leave it to the states.
3) However, one federal judge does not a Constitutional issue make or Obamacare is also out the window.
4) In my opinion, the Supreme Court (after the appellate decision) will have to re-establish federal jurisdiction on this or their past (and future) abuse and ignoring of the 10th Amendment will be in doubt.
5) As a case in point, a knucklehead federal judge just ruled that “mental activity” (aka “thought”) is covered by the “Commerce Clause”.
6) I’m still waiting for your “mental activity” on that ruling as per my earlier post below …………………
0311/0317 – 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
JAY !!!
Regarding our continuing debate on the meaning of the 10th Amendment, a Clinton appointee federal district court judge in Washington (a slave owner by the way) D.C. has ruled that Congress Can Regulate “MENTAL ACTIVITY (emphasis added)” Under Commerce Clause.
Now I submit to you the following:
1) She should never have been appointed.
2) That reasoning under a plain reading of the 10th Amendment is idiotic.
3) That reasoning if upheld would make the 10th Amendment null and void.
4) Making an Amendment null and void without further amending it or abolishing it is Constitutional treason.
Your thoughts ……………………..
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:03 pm
jm,
“Round and round…”
Reminds me of that RATT song
Bosch
February 23rd, 2011
5:03 pm
jewcowboy,
I almost swallowed my tongue earlier when you told Peadawg to go to hell….well done.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:05 pm
“Rockets fired at Israel…”
I wonder if these were just stray fireworks from the democracy seeking peaceful protesters in Egypt.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:07 pm
jm,
“like it or not, government and society cannot exist in the absence of a moral paradigm.”
Somehow I just think it is any business of voters to hold a referendum on any relationship between consenting adults…
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:08 pm
Doggone/GA,
“Now it’s time for our society to catch up.”
Bingo!
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:09 pm
“Somehow I just think it is any business”
I missed a very important “don’t” in there.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
5:10 pm
“government and society cannot exist in the absence of a moral paradigm”
Gay marriage has nothing to do with morality. Just like hetero marriages…it’s purely a legal issue.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:10 pm
Bosch,
“I almost swallowed my tongue earlier when you told Peadawg to go to hell….well done.”
I have to admit…I was probably channeling you
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
5:11 pm
jewcowboy, just for the record… this is your comments to me. Notice nothing of examples. Some vauge business deals talk, but exmaples, no.
Notice how quickly you say straight people don’t need those documents because they can get married. So, to use your word it is obvious you are not thinking of alternative uses for the said documents.
“jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
4:08 pm
“Are those documents only uncommon and unavailable to gay people or are tehy unavailable to straight people as well? ”
Straight couples don’t have to…because they can get married. It’s more like a business arrangement, as it involves mostly property arrangements..but also things like hospital visitations. It’s as if two business partners want to share their personal lives in their business dealings.”
We can agree to disagree, but the public record of what was said is there. My lil ones gotta get to baseball practice and it is waaaay too long a walk. So I’ll be gone.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
5:12 pm
Both parties tossing issue bombs at each other in full attack mode.
The 12 cycle is off and running.
Meanwhile, the turmoil in the ME caused oil to spike.
Not good when you are recovering from the bush depression.
What a wild year so far.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:12 pm
Doggone/GA,
“it’s purely a legal issue.”
But… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:12 pm
So round and round and round she goes
And where she stops nobody knows
Love is the feeling that grows that grows
And where it stops nobody knows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1Utdkk4Sw
Edgar Winter, Rick Derringer, Ronnie Montrose and Bill Szymczyk combine on one of the greatest records ever made…
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:14 pm
Jew Cowboy,
Thanks! Can never have enough grandkids,
—————————
Pogo
February 23rd, 2011
4:54 pm
Pogo,
Where’s all those jobs the GOP promised?
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
5:14 pm
Hey jewcowboy! I want to ask you a serious question.If you don’t want to answer it’s ok.
Why would you spend 20k to marry your partner? I’m trying to understand your dilema.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:16 pm
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
5:12 pm
“Not good when you are recovering from the bush depression.”
But Obama was going to fix that in no time. Guess we’re “dwelling in in Obama depression”.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
5:16 pm
jewcowboy…yeah, and it messes “them” up when you say you ARE!
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:16 pm
thomas,
“Notice how quickly you say straight people don’t need those documents because they can get married.”
Uh yeah…that is becuase we are discussing gay marriage and not anomalous legal documents for straight folk.
“My lil ones gotta get to baseball practice and it is waaaay too long a walk”
Tell ‘em to keep their eye on the ball and avoid signing any anomalous legal documents…
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:17 pm
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:14 pm
You mean like the fictitious “shovel ready jobs” Obama promised?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:17 pm
Well this does not look good for the Obama stimulus or Mayor Franklin. She was not a crook, but she was a pretty crummy mayor in the universe of government officials.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/audit-questions-atlantas-ability-850094.html
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:18 pm
Come on people, it’s really all about this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eC3NRRRi9Q&feature=related
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:18 pm
Leg Lamp , see article…
The auditors looked at two grants from 2006, two from 2007, two from 2008 and one from 2009.
Some specific complaints include:
– The city incorrectly reported the number of jobs saved or created because of the grants.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
5:20 pm
leg,
“But Obama was going to fix that in no time. Guess we’re “dwelling in in Obama depression”.
You can call it the Obama recovery.
Where are the jobs ?
Did your party lie to your face?
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:20 pm
Real Scooter,
“Why would you spend 20k to marry your partner? I’m trying to understand your dilema.”
Basically it was to ensure we had legal rights in each others lives. We owned a house together, we had life insurance policies for each other…we were married in every aspect except under the law.
When mr. nonjewcowboy passed away, these documents allowed my to get his body back from Dubai…even to just to bury him. Without these documents, his next of kin would have automatically been his parents…who are great people…but when you devote your life to someone, you devote it through death as well.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:20 pm
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:17 pm
Who would have ever thought that the dysfunctional and corrupt city of Atlanta could not account for federal funds it received?
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:22 pm
It’s sadly ironic, then, that the GOP and its nascent Tea Party faction, who were nowhere to be found or heard on issues of the deficit or debt when it came to multi-billion dollar tax cuts, two costly wars, an expensive prescription drug benefit, and the largest expansion of the size of government in recent memory under the Bush years, decided to wait until Barack Obama had inherited the disaster to begin the anti-spending, anti-government crusade.
Yep, they played stupid for eight straight years and then almost magically found religion on January 21, 2009.
And then wonder why hundreds of millions of people don’t take them seriously…
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:23 pm
Leg 5:20
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:23 pm
“You mean like the fictitious “shovel ready jobs” Obama promised?”
Duck…duck…Canard!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:23 pm
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
5:20 pm
“You can call it the Obama recovery.”
Well, I guess I could but then that would be a lie. Hmm, unemployment at around 10%, oil over $100/barrel, a near-bankrupt federal government, states teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, etc. Some recovery.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:23 pm
Leg 5:20 – although Reed and his appointees are doing an absolutely stand up job…. they’re doing a spectacular job, really….
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
5:24 pm
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:18 pm
Dang Normal,you need to take some lessons from AmVet on posting good music. Whew!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:26 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:23 pm
So I just imagined Obama and biden beating their chests ;for months about “shovel ready jobs” only to later admit there were never any SRJs.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:28 pm
Right, we had a bunch of innocents at Gitmo:
“LIBYAN OFFICIAL: Qaeda sets up Islamic emirate — run by former Gitmo prisoner…”
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:28 pm
Scooter,
You’ve got to inhale…
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:29 pm
Any of you clowns who honestly thought this attempted corporate destruction of capitalism wasn’t going to take years and years to recover from probably still think the Bush administration was chock full of conservatives!
Normal, now that is one horned up version of that classic!
From that same spectacular They Only Come Out at Night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-nfLIoqarQ
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm
Leg Lamp: So I just imagined Obama and biden beating their chests ;for months about “shovel ready jobs” only to later admit there were never any SRJs.
As with much of what you have posted today, it’s all in your head.
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm
Scooter,
Coming soon to your neighborhood…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A27FF2T2z2k&feature=related
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm
what AmVet said at 5:22………..
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm
“Obama’s Silence On Libya Due To “Scheduling Issue”"
I guess he didn’t have a scheduling issue during the Wisconsin “sick out” protests.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
5:31 pm
Well, I guess I could but then that would be a lie. Hmm, unemployment at around 10%, oil over $100/barrel, a near-bankrupt federal government, states teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, etc. Some recovery.
All of that since the Republicans won all those seats. Some recovery. And what do they focus on. Not jobs. They go after planned parenthood and public broadcast and abortion and union busting. Republicans are such losers.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
5:31 pm
If S.A. goes down, then things will be a giant damn mess in this world…
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:32 pm
Leg Lamp…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bNE-5TVAmg
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
5:32 pm
jm: I do have to wonder, if Saudi Arabia does go under, does that mean we no longer owe them money?
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
5:32 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:20 pm
Thanks for answering jewcowboy! That makes me understand the entire Gay Marriage issue much more clearly. Sorry for your loss.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
5:33 pm
The GOP — The Party of Still No Results. When are they going to actually DO something for the people.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
5:33 pm
jewcowboy @ 5:07
Your boy Reid wants to outlaw prostitution in Nevada.
What think ye about that ?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:34 pm
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm
Um, right, it’s all in my head:
“When the president campaigned for the stimulus package at the start of his presidency, he and others in his administration repeatedly insisted the investments would go to “shovel-ready” projects — projects that would put people to work right away. As recently as August, however, local governments were still facing delays spending the money they were allocated from the stimulus, CBS News Correspondent Nancy Cordes reported.”
” With unemployment hovering near 10 percent nearly two years after President Obama signed his economic stimulus package, Mr. Obama is acknowledging that, despite his campaign promises, “there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.”"
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:34 pm
Leg Lamp,
“for months about “shovel ready jobs” only to later admit there were never any SRJs.”
Funny…I can point to one right outside my office…the Peachtree Boulevard project in Buckhead.
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
5:35 pm
better yet — what do “YOU” think of it, Scout?
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
5:35 pm
Leggie…again another false and misleading statement…I just saw Obama speak in the past few hours.
Obama says violence in Libya must stop, urges unified world
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:35 pm
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
5:33 pm
Democrats – party of the absent (i.e. Wisconsin and Indiana elected officials partying in Illinois)
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:36 pm
Real Scooter,
thanks.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:37 pm
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
5:35 pm
Still in denial I see. Quoting the White House Press Secretary.
“This is a scheduling issue. The president will meet with Secretary of State Clinton this afternoon. We will have something to say out of that meeting. If possible, the President will speak this afternoon or tomorrow,” White House press secretary Jay Carney said of President Obama’s lack of response to the crisis in Libya.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
5:37 pm
Leg Lamp:
Walker — the Koch-snorting Republican liar, caught red-handed.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:37 pm
Harry Reid and Sharon Angle should recreate an updated version of that hot lips scene in the movie M*A*S*H
They could be in the back of 1959 Cadillac somewhere along the strip in Vegas.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:38 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:34 pm
So I guess Obama should have consulted you before he admitted there were no SRJs.
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
5:39 pm
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
5:30 pm
Much better Normal!
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:39 pm
37,
“Your boy Reid wants to outlaw prostitution in Nevada.”
My boy?
“What think ye about that ?”
As long as they are 18+ and doing it of their own volition, “test em, tax em and let them point their heels to heaven” I say.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:41 pm
Leg Lamp,
“So I guess Obama should have consulted you before he admitted there were no SRJs.”
Or perhaps he should explain in precise terms his definition of what a shovel-ready project is…
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:42 pm
TaxPayer,
“the Koch-snorting Republican liar, caught red-handed.”
That just made me choke…
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:42 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:41 pm
Maybe he had trouble defining something that didn’t exist.
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
5:42 pm
First, I’m amazed a Nixon appointee is still alive and serving on the bench.
Next, I’m amazed that a judge from uber-liberal Massachusetts even recognizes that the 10th amendment exists, and even remotely understands what it really means.
What I’m NOT amazed at is how Bookman can pick and choose which laws he thinks should be applicable to the 10th amendment.
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
5:43 pm
jewcowboy: ” “test em, tax em and let them point their heels to heaven” I say”
OK, that’s funny!
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:44 pm
AmVet,
“Harry Reid and Sharon Angle should recreate an updated version of that hot lips scene in the movie M*A*S*H”
I hear Christine O’Donnell has been invited to Dancing with the Stars…a horrible misnomer for a title if they want her.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
5:44 pm
So if I say something like “Bill Clinton always spent more money in his year by year budgets than was taken in by the federal government” am I “admitting” something, since I said the opposite before, or am I, in fact, just wrong?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:45 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:44 pm
Oh, I thought it was “Dancing with the Bizarre”.
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
5:46 pm
Leggie…funny thing…click on the link I provided and you can see the President actually speak for 5 minutes on Libya. Secretary Clinton by his side. I posted the link and you still are in denial.
Are you always this clueless…even when you can see the video? …nevermind the answer is obviously yes.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:46 pm
Leg Lamp,
“Maybe he had trouble defining something that didn’t exist.”
Perhaps you and he should hang around DOT’s more often…”shovel-ready” is a real term and has been used a long time before Obama was elected to the WH.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
5:46 pm
Today comes word that Georgia state Representative Bobby Franklin is shopping a bill that wouldn’t just make abortion illegal in Georgia, it would criminalize miscarriages to boot.
Georgia Republicans just refuse to be outdone. They are determined to hold their title of “Mostest Stupidest in the GOP.”
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:46 pm
Leg Lamp,
“I thought it was “Dancing with the Bizarre”.”
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
5:48 pm
Taxpayer….probably imposes the death penalty too…..
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
5:48 pm
Leg Lamp: My point is, if Obama said “There’s no such thing as shovel ready jobs” then he was wrong, rather than “admitting” something. It’s not an admission if it’s wrong.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:48 pm
I hear Christine O’Donnell has been invited to Dancing with the Stars…a horrible misnomer for a title if they want her.
She’ such a cute little pixie, jcb. Too bad she plays for the wrong team. And no that has nothing to do with witches or sexual preferences! But I do wonder if she ever experimented with auto eroticism…
Normal and Scoot, I heard this one earlier today while in TJ Maxx…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfjKG3ZP3AA
(A bit poppy but I dig the chord changes in it…)
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:49 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:46 pm
He pimped SRJs in order to sell the stimulus package only later to admit they never existed. His words, not mine.
Dusty
February 23rd, 2011
5:50 pm
Well, folks, I happen to catch up with the DEMOTIVATORS , (a registered title) on Google. They are so funny, with good posters to match their words. Here’s a few
BLOGGING: Never before have so many people with so little to say said so much to so few.
GOVERNMENT:If you think the problems we create are bad, just wait until you see our solutions.
CONGRESS: Proudly defending the status quo after the quo has lost its status.
IDIOCY: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
LOSING: If first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
——————–
Thought you might like a change of pace here. There’s lots more,
Can’t stick around right now. Maybe later….
carlosgvv
February 23rd, 2011
5:50 pm
Now that the politically correct crowd has gotten gays openly in the military, they are going after marriage. Looks like we will always be burdened with somebody’s social experiment.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:50 pm
AmVet,
“But I do wonder if she ever experimented with auto eroticism…”
As long as you can do that without masturbating…maybe she has very sensitive earlobes or something…of a foot fetish.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:52 pm
carlosgvv ,
“Looks like we will always be burdened with somebody’s social experiment.”
Like not treating women as property?
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:54 pm
Cons are in perpetual denial. They claim that the stimulus package hasn’t worked. Despite the fact that in less than two years’ time the prospects for U.S. growth look *much* improved, and are improving every day.
Would we all like to see more rapid reductions in unemployment and greater improvements in labor market conditions?
Of course.
But, under Obama the economy has gone from a nearly 7% rate of contraction to six straight quarters of growth, with a 3.2% rate of annualized GDP growth in the 4th Quarter of 2010.
There are record corporate profits. And job growth led entirely by the PRIVATE sector (not, as Republicans repeatedly assert, growth in the government sector). Banks have gone from bankruptcy to multi-billion dollar profits.
The Dow Jones has passed the 12,000 point threshold for the first time in 2 ½ years.
The International Monetary Fund released a report last week which upgraded its forecasts of growth for the American economy, and attributed the more optimistic assessment to the prudent fiscal policies of the Obama Administration.
http://www.trcommons.org/2011/02/bush-recession-obama-recovery/
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:54 pm
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
5:48 pm
Call it, or spin it, as you will. I know, I know, Fox is mentioned in the second paragraph so go ahead and ignore it if you choose.
All sides admit that jobs are the No. 1 issue in 2010, but only three weeks before the crucial make-or-break congressional election on Nov. 2, Obama casually admitted that his claim last year that his stimulus spending bill would create 3.5 million “shovel-ready jobs” was not true.
Fox News played six video clips from different Obama speeches bragging that his $787 billion stimulus bill would create millions of “shovel-ready jobs.” Now, Obama admits that those things he talked about never existed.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:54 pm
Leg Lamp,
“His words, not mine.”
Don’t know what to tell you…”shovel-ready projects” are real…they are a real term…and there is a concrete example of stimulus money being spent on one on Peachtree Road from Shadowlawn Road to Wieuca.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
5:55 pm
AmVet:
Thanks but I’m a country music (the old fashioned type) or 60’s music kind of guy …………..
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:57 pm
AmVet @ 5.54,
That is all due to tax cuts…
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
5:57 pm
Normal and Scoot, I heard this one earlier today while in TJ Maxx
Good one AmVet! Eddie wasn’t the first to record that song was he?
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:58 pm
No worries 03.
It’s all good. (As long as you don’t keep up the political jabbing on Friday nights!)
This may be more your cup of tea…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukunx21UHCA
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
5:59 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
5:54 pm
Maybe you need to be on Obama’s economic team and sell the SRJs again when asking for another round of stimulus money.
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
6:00 pm
From the GA DOT…
Projects that are “shovel -ready” must address the following criteria:
•Meet all standard federal eligibility requirements
•Meet federal functional classification requirements
•Environmental clearances in accordance with the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA)
•Right-of-way acquisition and certification in accordance with the Uniform Relocation Assistance and Real Property Acquisitions Policy Act
•Projects must be included or amended into STIP/TIPs
•Must be “ready to go” ◦Phase 1: Authorize for letting no later than June 30, 2009
◦Phase 2: Authorize for letting no later than December 30, 2009
Tommy Maddox
February 23rd, 2011
6:02 pm
Eric Holder – our national Paul Howard.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:02 pm
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
5:48 pm
Big Eddie Money fan here. Saw him 3 times. Were you familiar with his version of Smokey Robinson’s “You Really got a hold on me”? Very good song.
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
6:04 pm
Ok…I’m out of here to meet friends for a cocktail or 4…y’all have a nice evening.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:04 pm
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
6:00 pm
Nice “facts” from 2009. Obama admitted in October 2010 there were no shovel ready jobs. Maybe you should contact your local representative with your facts and pass it along to the POTUS.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:05 pm
jewcowboy
February 23rd, 2011
6:04 pm
Toss one back for me.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
6:05 pm
Scoot, I think he was, though the song was written by a couple of other guys, one of whom was a big CCR collaborator.
From his eponymous debut record…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnKmVL0UkYk&feature=fvw
BTW, it was not Lennon/McCartney who write it, twas Smokey Robinson…
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
6:06 pm
Lamp @6:02, too funny!
Brilliant minds…
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
6:07 pm
BTW, I talked with one of my friends out in LA earlier today and she said she is going to go see him when he is playing there next month.
I bet he does do one helluva show…
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
6:09 pm
Good job AmVet! You actually got Leg Lamp to stop bashing Obama for a bit.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:11 pm
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
6:07 pm
First saw him at the Dog Day Rock Fest (later called the “Champagne Jam”) in Atlanta in the late 70s, again in the early 80s, and finally in the late 80s at the Fox. The show at the Fox was my favorite. I had great seats and he possessed a full catalog by that time. He started off with “We Should Be Sleeping” and never took his foot off the accelerator.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
6:13 pm
Enter your comments here
Midori
February 23rd, 2011
6:14 pm
Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller has dismissed a deputy, Jeff Cox, for posting inappropriate comments online critical of the labor union protesters in Wisconsin.
Cox sent out a message on his Twitter account saying that police should “use live ammunition” against the protesters.
-snip-
This afternoon, the office issued a statement saying Cox was no longer employed there. The office said it had conducted “a thorough and expeditious review” after it learned of the Mother Jones article.
“Civility and courtesy toward all members of the public are very important to the Indiana Attorney General’s office. We respect individual’s First Amendment right to express their personal views on private online forums, but as public servants we are held by the public to a higher standard, and we should strive for civility,” the office said in a statement.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110223/NEWS05/1022304…
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
6:14 pm
Alas, Lamp, in spite of the many, many concerts I’ve seen, I missed him.
This one has that sweet, string ladened, blue-eyed, Philly soul sound made famous by Hall & Oates…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPtNZj6uzDY&feature=related
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:17 pm
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
6:14 pm
Saw H2O twice. Very good.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
6:18 pm
And my 6:13 pretty much says it. Jewcowboy’s first comment is one I second. That said, I do find the 10th Amendment rationale ironic in extremis, and it’s fun as a barrel of monkeys watching the strict “believers” and those who just love to equate the 10th Amendment with all the backward thinkers finding themselves doing a two-step. Paraphrasing Jaybird, there’s less to this than meets the eye.
Paulo977
February 23rd, 2011
6:24 pm
Keep up the
good fight…”I just saw Obama speak in the past few hours.” Some people hear what they want to hear i.e. when it fits into their ‘beliefs’ .. truth has nothing to do with it!
Pogo
February 23rd, 2011
6:26 pm
More power to the AJC on this one. I couldn’t believe they actually printed it. More evidence that taxpayer money that is given under “government” control means the taxpayers get soaked everytime. Again, hats off to the AJC. Maybe they at last are starting to realize just how corrupt that city’s “leaders” truly are.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/audit-questions-atlantas-ability-850094.html
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
6:26 pm
josef
Well, I think the 10th Amendment is responsible for the common cold, and it will also be the key to stopping the Mayans for killing us all next year.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
6:28 pm
SoCo
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
6:30 pm
Paulo977…definitely, truth had nothing to do with the post…even funnier was that the link was there as proof.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:31 pm
Paulo977
February 23rd, 2011
6:24 pm
Straighten up and stop listing to the left all the time. The headline I posted was from this morning. Obama finally spoke later that same day. It doesn’t take away from the fact that he remained silent for far too long. But go ahead, continue your leftie indoctrination.
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
6:38 pm
Leggie…by the time you posted your “headline” he had already spoken. You did not post your headline this morning.
Wanna try again on the misinformation, spin and lies?
Pogo
February 23rd, 2011
6:40 pm
Taxpayer, the republicans only took the House in January of this year (2011 if you didn’t know) and it is now February the 22 of this same year. Based upon your politically/ideologically warped expectations, Obama should have been having us all having jobs, buying second houses and grilling rib-eyes in the back yard by March of 2009. Are you really that stupid or have you just totally lost touch with reality because you think that “the man” has somehow done you wrong?
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
6:47 pm
“Based upon your politically/ideologically warped expectations”
Hmmmm…can’t quite put my finger on it, but this just sounds SO familiar
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
6:50 pm
Just heard on the news that a Georgia State representative wants to make miscarriages a felony murder charge “unless proven that there was no human involvement.” The dude’s name is Franklin and he’s nut’s.
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
6:52 pm
Josef,
I said it earlier…let anybody marry anybody else and be miserable with the rest of us!
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
6:54 pm
normal
Equality! Ain’t it grand!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
6:55 pm
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
6:38 pm
Oh, okay. I was a little late with the post. But does the fact that Obama spoke after 5PM take away from the fact that he remained silent for about 9 days? Perhaps in lefty land.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
6:55 pm
Normal
AMEN!!!!!!!!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
7:00 pm
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
6:38 pm
Speaking of “misinformation, spin and lies”, I thought you might be kind of silent after yesterday.
Our noted historian, KUTGF, stated the Iraq War began 10 years ago. When challenged, she denied it even though it’s in black and white.
She later posted that I claimed she said the Afghan War started 10 years ago, which was wrong. That statement was NOT in black and white. Just if her mind.
She later quoted me and said that I DID claim she said the Iraq War started 10 years ago.
I tried to explain that Iraq and Afghanistan were two different countries, but to no avail.
You’re like an overly used tea bag. No potency but just a taint of substance.
And now you claim that since POTUS spoke today after 5PM that he didn’t remain silent for days and days about Libya.
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 23rd, 2011
7:04 pm
Kut goof (previously known as Keep Up The GOOd Fight)
Sorry I’ll miss your “witty”, yet erroneous, retort to my previous post. It would probably end my day with a big laugh.
Outta here.
Bud Wiser
February 23rd, 2011
7:04 pm
Oh with the Middle East on fire, gas prices skyrocketing now almost hourly (but you dimwits like that, don’t you; whistling a Mary Poppins tune while you grease each others’…..bikes) and the moron in the White House so very quiet (is it silence or is it stupidity?), this is really top shelf material, Bookman.
Really top shelf.
Sylvester
February 23rd, 2011
7:05 pm
“…will no longer try to defend Section 3 of the federal Defense of Marriage Act from lawsuits alleging the law is unconstitutional. (The law forbids the federal government from recognizing any marriage other than that between a man and a woman.)”
All RIGHT! It’s just a matter of time now till my dream of marrying my cat becomes reality.
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
7:06 pm
Leggy…oh was that your point? Do tell, what are your qualifications to determine foreign policy and when it is appropriate for the President to speak on issues and to consider the impact it may have on US policy. Sorry, “Bring it On” is a stupid way to conduct foreign policy. Knee jerk reactions are not the proper way either. But let’s face it…if he spoke, you would attack. If he did not, you attack….and when he did speak, you still claimed he had not.
Congrats! You have mastered the non-apology apology and attack. Now draw Binky the Turtle and you too can be governor of Alaska
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
7:08 pm
Now Leggie, you are just having a little temper tantrum and lying because you were out of touch even after a post with the facts. .do quote me on the actual Iraq war statement. Childish.
TM
February 23rd, 2011
7:09 pm
Its amazing, the he claims he ready to handle the Middle east with no ships or carriers even close to the area,but to appease the gays and try to change the headlines he has a sudden change of heart on this issue even thought he has for the past two years aid he was in support of the act. He just trying to change the headline before everyone shows how bad a leader he is with respect to the Middle east. This is just pure BS to cover his butt and try to change the headlines.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
7:15 pm
Actually, Pogo, I just love bringing people like you out of the closet. Bravo.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
7:20 pm
Ok Bud, is Obama supposed to wave his hands over the ME and everything gets still? Better yet, does he go take a dump and supply the US with enough oil to last a century?
In spite of American exceptionalism, we are along for the ride in the ME, just like the rest of the world. Unless you’re suggesting that Obama sends in troops to go whip the sh*t out of the protesters, we can’t do diddly squat over there right now but pop some popcorn and grab a coke.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
7:23 pm
SoCo
Bud appears to be another of those who is convinced that Obama is the Messiah…imbued with suprahuman abilities and able to perform miracles at whim or will…
Kamchak
February 23rd, 2011
7:24 pm
Better yet, does he go take a dump and supply the US with enough oil to last a century?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
7:30 pm
josef
Yep!!!! I think it was a storm over the water where Jesus said “Peace, be still.” I’ve wondered if he could manage the same thing with our political climate today.
Kam
I figured it would have been racist if I had said wring his hands instead of taking a dump.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
7:36 pm
SoCo
It ain’t easy being all things to all people all the time…he’s got a ton of memos to catch up on!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:38 pm
just to leaven things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R55e-uHQna0
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
7:39 pm
josef
I guess it’s like Evan Almighty. There’s no instructional manual that comes with “the gift.”
godless heathen
February 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm
Guys marrying guys = more chics for The Heathen.
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm
on marriage…
A married couple in their early 60s was celebrating their 40th
wedding anniversary in a quiet, romantic little restaurant.
Suddenly, a tiny yet beautiful fairy appeared on their table. She
said, ‘For being such an exemplary married couple and for being
loving to each other for all this time, I will grant you each a
wish.’
The wife answered, ‘Oh, I want to travel around the world with my
darling husband. The fairy waved her magic wand and – poof! – two tickets
for the Queen Mary II appeared in her hands.
The husband thought for a moment: ‘Well, this is all very romantic,
but an opportunity like this will never come again. I’m sorry my love,
but my wish is to have a wife 30 years younger than me.
The wife, and the fairy, were deeply disappointed, but a wish is a
wish. So the fairy waved her magic wand and poof!…the husband became 92
years old.
The moral of this story: Men who are ungrateful b*stards should
remember fairies are female…..
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm
SoCo
Wasn’t that a great movie! I hadn’t thought of it in relation to Obama…but, yeah!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm
godless heathen
awesome. although I don’t think marriage is / was going to change things.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
7:43 pm
0311/0317 – 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm
JAY @ 2:46
“The funny thing is, Scout now has his example of what the Tenth Amendment outlaws….”
SOME THOUGHTS:
1) This issue is so important I have always supported a Constitutional Amendment route.
2) In this case the judge and the 10th Amendment are right …….. leave it to the states.
3) However, one federal judge does not a Constitutional issue make or Obamacare is also out the window.
4) In my opinion, the Supreme Court (after the appellate decision) will have to re-establish federal jurisdiction on this or their past (and future) abuse and ignoring of the 10th Amendment will be in doubt.
5) As a case in point, a knucklehead federal judge just ruled that “mental activity” (aka “thought”) is covered by the “Commerce Clause”.
6) I’m still waiting for your “mental activity” on that ruling as per my earlier post below. …………………
0311/0317 – 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
JAY !!!
Regarding our continuing debate on the meaning of the 10th Amendment, a Clinton appointee federal district court judge in Washington (a slave owner by the way) D.C. has ruled that Congress Can Regulate “MENTAL ACTIVITY (emphasis added)” Under Commerce Clause.
Now I submit to you the following:
1) She should never have been appointed.
2) That reasoning under a plain reading of the 10th Amendment is idiotic.
3) That reasoning if upheld would make the 10th Amendment null and void.
4) Making an Amendment null and void without further amending it or abolishing it is Constitutional treason.
Your thoughts ……………………..
Del
February 23rd, 2011
7:43 pm
Well now here’s Obummer coming out after two years in office sniffing around for some votes like a rat looking for cheese. The economy is far from out of the woods, the world situation is precarious, we have warfare going on within our states and Obummer is out vote pandering. What a president, what a leader of the free world.
godless heathen
February 23rd, 2011
7:43 pm
I didn’t know Obama had so many friends in the oil business. Last time gas was this expensive, the President and VP were making their friends rich, so now it’s just the same old, same old.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:44 pm
Scout – here’s to hoping for a more simple minded government coming in 2012.
Simpler, smaller government is better government.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
7:45 pm
0311@7:43, outstanding post on that issue.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:46 pm
Del – second that. Its hard to get a good crop of Presidents these days. Bush was not fantastic either, although I don’t think he was the disaster portrayed. Although he deserves to get his knuckles whacked for their utter failure to regulate, but that was a process 30 years coming. Seems we have to be reminded of history’s lessons every so often.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:49 pm
Del / Scout – the biggest problem opponents have for overturning the law is that…. it doesn’t say you have to buy insurance, only that you have to pay a fine / penalty / tax / fee if you don’t. That said, on its face, its still silly.
For what else does the government penalize you for not doing something? crike. I’m glad I wasn’t alive in the 1800’s, life could be miserable. But I sure wish our government was still that size….
Del
February 23rd, 2011
7:50 pm
jm, Bush made some serious mistakes but none were self serving and up until his second term I thought he maintained presidential bearing and the dignity of the office. This guy does none of that and he’s only mid-way through his first and hopefully last term.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
7:51 pm
Southern Comfort:
“Peach be still” …………….. that was then.
This is the future:
Revelation 19:
” 11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. “
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
7:53 pm
Del @ 7:45
Thank you and I have posted it three times and Jay won’t touch it …………….. so far.
When you get him in a bind, instead of debating he just ignores.
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
7:53 pm
here’s to hoping for a more simple minded government
Not surprising that a righty would hope for a simple minded government….which Republican will be the simple minded President in those hopes?
Normal
February 23rd, 2011
7:54 pm
HA! Revelations, the dreams of a drunkard…
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm
Well, to brighten everyone’s day, here’s a ray of hope
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-24/u-s-leads-in-nobels-trails-in-alleyway-sex-commentary-by-caroline-baum.html
a good read
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm
The U.S. ranks first in airports, tourist receipts and in the number of winners at the Miss Universe Contest.
Just a few thoughts
February 23rd, 2011
7:58 pm
For all of the fools that post here day in and day out – arguing your ridiculous, imbecile points.
When has this country had a REAL Leader? When? You sit back in your fart smelling office chairs, hen pecking out the same asinine responses to each other day after day after day. Trying to blame the other party for everything – it’s just not reality, no matter how much you think it is. When has a either party been real leaders? When is the last time you have ever looked back on an Administration and said – “Wow… now they lead us!”
These politicians have been duping all of us for years and if you think for one moment that your party is clean – you’re sadly mistaken. It’s a broken system. These people do not care about the country – they only care about themselves PERIOD.
Don’t allow yourselves to be dragged around by their leashes – you’ll just look like dogs.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
7:59 pm
“As far as the number of people who have had sex in an alleyway, the U.S. was tied for a lowly 24th with such sexually progressive countries as Sweden and Finland. ”
I think this is because we have fewer alleys than Europe.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
7:59 pm
Scout – here’s to hoping for a more simple minded government coming in 2012.
Simpler, smaller government is better government.
How small and simple can you get for a country with statistics like this:
Population:
310,232,863 (July 2010 est.)
Geographic Area:
total: 9,826,675 sq km
land: 9,161,966 sq km
water: 664,709 sq km
note: includes only the 50 states and District of Columbia
Land Border:
total: 12,034 km
border countries: Canada 8,893 km (including 2,477 km with Alaska), Mexico 3,141 km
Coastline:
19,924 km
*Courtesy of the CIA World Factbook.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
One interesting fact you might like/dislike jm. When it comes to education for the US:
Education expenditures:
5.5% of GDP (2007)
country comparison to the world: 46
Del
February 23rd, 2011
7:59 pm
Normal, I don’t believe you were around when the Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation. Well maybe you’ve sand bagged another sea story that you haven’t shared with us as yet.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
Simpler minded than Walker or Gingrey or Broun or Price or… does it have to be multi-celled.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
The naysayers don’t appreciate American exceptionalism and never will.
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaa
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm
Let gay people get married. Then they can be miserable like the rest of us!!!!!!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm
Just a few thoughts
Not a student of history, is he.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm
SoCo 7:59 that education stat was interesting. The only complicated one, with that, as with health care, is it needs to be normalized for demographics. But all things considered, pretty crummy.
For context though, since no one has kids in Europe, you don’t need to spend as much as a % of GDP on ed. Same with 1 child China. And the whole M.E., in contrast, should be spending 30% of GDP.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:06 pm
Nervous China puts security apparatus into overdrive
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d4fcf4e6-3f6d-11e0-a1ba-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1EpmAaoAs
Awwwww. The poor chinese…. they have my deepest sympathies…..
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
8:06 pm
SA 03 (or were you ATSAC?)
It seems like that’s what some are gunning for. Personally, I’m not too anxious to see any of the seals broken in my lifetime. One curious question for you. Revelations contains the only description of God. That description describes him of having hair like lamb’s wool and skin of bronze. Why is it that every picture of Jesus has long straight hair? That one’s always puzzled me. If Jesus was King of the Jews, the hair like lamb’s wool would be possible as I’ve met more than a few Jews coming from Israel that would fit that description.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm
jm,
No offense to SoCo, because overall he’s a pretty fair guy but he needs to get off those left wing disinformation blogs. ISFH
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm
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Yet in the past few days, after an online call to bring a “Jasmine Revolution” from the Middle East to China began circulating, the system has gone into overdrive. According to human rights groups, more than 100 activists have had their movements restricted since last Friday. Among them, five lawyers, including Mr Teng, have been detained.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:10 pm
BTW. CNBC commentator that is some super duper government banking advisor whatever was advising that the banking system needs to do a sensitivity analysis…. not to another housing decline or increase in unemployment… but rather, to a collapse of China.
I’m only half smiling.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
8:11 pm
Del 8:07 – the CIA website?
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:12 pm
SoCo
Well, I’d say Jesus was blonde, green-eyed with a teacup b*tt!
Disgusted
February 23rd, 2011
8:15 pm
For what else does the government penalize you for not doing something?
Try not filing any tax returns or reporting all your income on them, jm. Maybe we’ll find out.
Just a few thoughts
February 23rd, 2011
8:15 pm
jm@ 8:01pm – enlighten us with your wealth of knowledge – because basically, you’ve said nothing.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm
I’ve always wondered that maybe when Jesus comes back, he might look different to each of us. Either way, it’s not really important what He looks like, on my opinion.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
8:20 pm
jm
Here’s the list, and it’s kinda scary at first until you look at the countries and imagine what their overall GDP is.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2206rank.html?countryName=United States&countryCode=us®ionCode=na&rank=46#us
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
8:20 pm
“Try not filing any tax returns or reporting all your income on them, jm. Maybe we’ll find out.”
Lame, Disgusted, even for you.
Your example is not doing something CORRECTLY.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
H.D. Amen
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
Oh, and “Just a few thoughts”?
You’re a flaming downer.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm
josef
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
Normal:
“God is not mocked”
The choice …. as always ……. is yours.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
Del
I’ll take that 8:07 as a compliment, although I’m trying to figure out which disinformation blogs you’re talking about.
Rockerbabe
February 23rd, 2011
8:25 pm
Good, its about time. Congress and those rightwing nutjobs need to stop disrespecting single people and their choice of a spouse. Lord knows, heterosexuals or straight people have made one he!! of a mess of the state of marriage over the centuries. Let’s give someone else the opportunity to find out what it is all about!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:25 pm
josef re: your 8:12
Ah ………………. nevermind. It wouldn’t do any good.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm
Revelations, now there’s a fun read! (Kinda like reading Bud’s posts!)
heathen at 7:39, I like the way you think…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12kcpP-8jfM
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:30 pm
Scout….
Jesus was a Jew. Some of us are blonde, green-eyed and have teacup b*tts…why wouldn’t I opt for that image?
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm
DAVE
Here you come, like always trying to stir up trouble…
Just a few thoughts...
February 23rd, 2011
8:33 pm
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
I’m a flaming downer because I challenge you to think in ways other than the status quo?
Yes, we do have sheep from both sides. You must be in one of those camps no?
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm
“God is not mocked”
Don’t discount God’s sense of humor. Anyone who has ever seen a wart hog KNOWS he has one.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm
Doggone
I’ve always wondered what G-d was thinking when H- made the platypus…
Hootinanny Yum Yum
February 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm
Yo, JB…
When are you going to start hammering and lambasting the protesters in WI? Appears they are of the same demographic as the majority of Tea Party protesters.
Now it appears threats have been made against the WI governor.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
Doggone:
Those are His words not mine.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
SoCo, yes you should take it as a compliment. If you noticed I was kidding, however, on a somewhat more serious note, it amuses me how so many charts, links, and googled references are referenced on this blog daily. Maybe I’m just a dumb ass but I don’t see how so many on here have the time to research and become real experts on every given topic. I feel that I keep myself reasonably informed and able to form an opinion as a result but I sure don’t have the time to gather up all of these web sites to reinforce an argument and when I look at the posted sites they’re typically authored by those with a serious bias one way or the other. Oh well just the opinion of an old man.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
josef:
Yes He was a jew and the Messiah.
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
8:39 pm
Just a few thoughts, don’t know where you’ve come from, but you obviously like to throw out random bits of unrelated thoughts and make judgment calls about people you don’t have the foggiest idea about.
I think in more ways than you could ever dream of, and I challenge the status quo on a daily basis.
So why don’t you chill out, put together some deeper, logical thoughts, and join some of us in a real discussion?
Or you can just continue to be a flaming downer.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
“I’ve always wondered what G-d was thinking when H- made the platypus…”
Yeah, that one too!
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm
“Those are His words not mine”
And why do you think my reply was addressed to YOU? I keep telling you that YOU are not God, but you keep forgetting.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
hillbilly deluxe
Man, that video with mike nesmith has stuck in my head for a better part of the week. Not the video mind you, but the lyrics about rodan…her name is rodan…..amazing how that works..
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:44 pm
It’s been said that if you disbelieve that our Lord had a sense of humor, just look at dogs.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Del
…or in the mirror!
Shockingly Hilarious
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
Just a few thoughts, don’t know where you’ve come from, but you obviously like to throw out random bits of unrelated thoughts and make judgment calls about people you don’t have the foggiest idea about.
Eric
February 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm
I do look forward to the day I no longer have to check “single” on my tax return or elsewhere, even though I have been partnered for the last eight years. Not only is it insulting, but as a single person, I end up paying much more in income tax than “married” couples. They’re the ones that get to leave work a little before 5:00p to pick up their kids, while I have to stay late and work on. Anyone want to trade places with me?
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:48 pm
“It’s been said that if you disbelieve that our Lord had a sense of humor, just look at dogs”
yep! I’ve got that one posted above my desk.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
‘Course if you want an example of “mocking God” there’s always the description of a camel as “a horse put together by a committee”
Just a few thoughts...
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
Dave R.
Real discussion? Is that what you’re calling it?
That’s the whole point I’m trying to make and unfortunately it goes right over your head. Evidently you think you’ve got all the answers – hell everyone thinks they do! Funny thing is, you all don’t seem to be getting anywhere with those so called “answers”.
You’re the one that may need a breather.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
josef, the mirror is true and revealing, however, when we all walk away from the mirror, we tend to forget what we saw until the next time.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
Del @ 8:38
In reference to your post, I try to stay well informed, too, and like you, I don’t see how some folks have the time to research all the stuff they comment on. A lot of my beliefs, on a particular subject, are based on a working knowledge of the topic, but not in depth, expert knowledge, and just pure gut instinct. Like any human, I’m not infallible but I’ve found that my gut instinct usually gets me to the right decisions, in life.
I’m curious how it works for others.
Tweets that mention Obama abandons defense of federal gay-marriage ban | Jay Bookman -- Topsy.com
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
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josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
Del
Ain’t it the truth!?
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
just a few
Don’t mind dave r, once in a blue moon he actually gets something right and no sooner than you can snap your fingers, he try’s to disavow it when he realizes that people actually agree with him. What a conundrum, that dave r…
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Hillbilly
Granddaddy always said to go with your gut when you don’t have the time to think about it first…
They BOTH suck
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Wonder if this announcement made any one gay or did it change what someone who is against it teaches in their household?
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:55 pm
H.D. ain’t that the truth it couldn’t have been said better.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm
okay, it was a b*tch of a day in the high court and I’m f*gged out…g’night…
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm
hd
I agree with you to a point but going with your gut instead of obtaining the knowledge to make the best decision, more often than not, works against you…
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam …………………….
“Pressure Increases for Release of Afghan Aid Worker Arrested for Being Christian”
By Diane Macedo
“Pressure is mounting for the release of an Afghan Red Cross worker who was arrested last summer for converting to Christianity.
The worker, Said Musa, 46, who left Islam roughly eight years ago, was arrested in May after an Afghan TV report showed locals being baptized and called for the government to crack down on apostasy.
Musa, a father of six, who lost a leg to a land mine and was working to help other amputees when he was arrested, reportedly was abused in prison and threatened with death if he did not renounce his faith.”
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
“Real discussion? Is that what you’re calling it? ”
I’m certainly not calling what you’re attempting to do a real discussion.
Oh, and btw, you attempted to call out one of the LEAST likeliest people on this blog to be considered a “sheep”.
Now, if you think saying the equivalent of “everybody is a sheep on one side or the other” a conversation starter, maybe you should just get back to your classroom with the other 10 year-olds.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
White evangelical Protestants are roughly five times more likely to agree with the Tea Party movement than to disagree with it, Pew found. American Jews, meanwhile, are nearly three times as likely to disagree with the movement than agree with it.
My tribe rocks…
Among black Protestants, those who disagree with the Tea Party outnumber those who agree with it by more than five to one…
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
josef, yes and that’s why I believe in a savior because God new we couldn’t make it on our own. He only had two choices and fortunately for us, he chose Jesus.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
9:03 pm
By the way del, jm and all the other hardcore repubs, I challenge you to listen to the whole twenty minute interview with that right wing phony governor in wisconsin when he thought he was talking to a billionaire….sickening and a very poor working knowledge of contemporary american history..
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm
Ah, the wonderful world of Christianity…
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article932689.ece/Mulalo-is-a-victim
A defence witness has tried to convince the Johannesburg High Court that convicted husband-killer Mulalo Sivhidzho wasn’t all that bad.
Presenting his evidence in mitigation of sentence, private forensic criminologist Eon Sonnekus said the court should send her to jail for 12 years and not life because she was “raised as a Christian”.
In addition, he said, the woman who masterminded the murder of her husband, Avhatakali Netshisaulu, was not at the scene of his murder and therefore could not control her hired assassins and “the brutality of the crime”.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
More from the wonderful world of Christianity:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700112701/Anti-illegal-immigrant-activist-gets-death-sentence-may-be-seen-as-a-martyr.html
ucson, Arizona — An Arizona woman convicted of orchestrating the murders of two people in an attempt to personally enforce federal immigration laws was sentenced to death Tuesday prompting anti-immigrant enthusiasts to declare her a martyr.
Jurors found Shawna Forde, a 43-year-old beautician, guilty of first-degree murder in the deaths 9-year-old, Brisenia Flores, her father Raul “Junior” Flores and the attempted first-degree murder of her mother Gina Gonzalez, Arizona’s Green Valley News reported. She will die by lethal injection.
[...]
After Forde was sentenced, Dutch Joens, a California-based Internet talk-radio host for Separatist Christian Militia Radio, said Forde was “being persecuted for her white skin and patriotic views,” The Daily Beast reported.
A group of self-proclaimed conservative Christians formed a support group called The Committee for Justice for Shawna Forde. On their web site, where Forde is described as a “racially profiled, false arrested, political agenda prisoner,” they proclaimed: “It is a crime to be a white, conservative, Christian woman who loves your country if you’re caught in drug-smuggler-loving Pima County.”
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
mick, come on a lot of that has been blown out of proportion. I listened to it and it was politics are you trying to say that the democrats in similar encounters have proven themselves to be as pure as new fallen snow. Please…you’ll have to do a lot better.
Lil' Barry Bailout
February 23rd, 2011
9:09 pm
What is the Idiot Messiah doing about these outrageous gas prices?
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
And what the hey, a little more of that wonderful world. Your Tax Dollars at Work:
http://floridaindependent.com/22289/federally-funded-jacksonville-abstinence-program-has-ties-to-%E2%80%98kill-the-gays%E2%80%99-ugandan-pastor
Federally funded Jacksonville abstinence program has ties to ‘Kill the Gays’ Ugandan pastor
Project SOS, a Jacksonvile-based abstinence education program, has received more than $6.5 million in federal funding through the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services since 2002 — including $454,000 in September 2010. This despite the fact that the group has been cited for teaching false information about HIV and is a supporter of Ugandan pastor Martin Ssempa, one of the most outspoken advocates of legislation in that country that prescribes the death penalty for homosexuals. #
Project SOS’ federal funding came through the Administration of Children and Families, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services, via grants for Community Based Abstinence Education and a Healthy Marriage Demonstration grant. The abstinence education funding is made available through Title V (.pdf) of the Social Security Act. A provision of Title V requires that states provide a $3 match for every $4 in federal money.
Project SOS was founded in 1993 by former St. Johns County School Board member Pam Mullarkey and provides abstinence-only programs to public schools in several Florida counties.
At least two national watchdog groups, however, call into question the program’s accuracy and efficacy.
The “Go APE (Abstinence Protects Everyone)” curriculum devised and taught by Project SOS was mentioned in a Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States report on teaching misinformation about HIV and AIDS. In another report, by the American School Health Association, Project SOS’ in-school curriculum was evaluated on graphics, citation of current research and theory and was deemed “unacceptable” in overall content.
The group appears to have a broad reach in Florida schools.
According to an interview the group’s founder and president gave to the American Family Association in 2003, her program was projected to reach “50,000 kids.” A post on Project SOS’ own website claims the group has reached nearly 300,000 Florida students since its founding.
Also troubling are Mullarkey’s ties to Ugandan pastor Martin Ssempa, a vocal advocate for that country’s 2009 “Anti Homosexuality Bill”, nicknamed the “Kill the Gays” law.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
Stands for Dismal, Why of course condemn about 70% of your fellow countryman who identify themselves as Christians in a country based on Christian principals. Why continue to live here?…Delta is ready when you are.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
Don’t discount God’s sense of humor. Anyone who has ever seen a wart hog KNOWS he has one.
I’ve always wondered what G-d was thinking when H- made the platypus
I’d agree that he definitely has a sense of humor…
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
Lastly, I think this sign pretty much nails it.
Pleasant evenin’, all!
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
Oh, and Del? those posts weren’t for you, they were for the imbecile who thinks his ministry requires him to piss on Islam every waking hour. That guy.
really outa here now.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
del
Did you listen to the whole twenty minutes? I doubt it, especially his discourse on reagan and unions. Here’s the truth: “One of the most elemental human rights [is] the right to belong to a free trade union.” — Ronald Reagan Square that with governor b.s.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
mick, yes I did and it wasn’t anything more than locker room bull $hit. The left will have a very difficult time bringing Walker down on that childish prank. It may even help him.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
9:24 pm
Del
Compliment is greatly appreciated. I’m perfectly aware of my personal biases, and I try to tamp them down as much as possible if I’m trying to participate in a reasoned debate.
As far as the graphs and stuff, I was and still consider myself to be a nerd of sorts. I was the one in high school who knew all kinds of inane trivia. I’m always looking into different things for two reasons.
First one is sheer curiosity. I like to know how things work, how people think, and why people or things behave in the manners they do. My eventual goal is to retire on about 50 acres in the middle of nowhere and be completely off the map. I don’t want to have to depend on anyone for anything if possible. It’s not completely viable this date, but I still have a few decades before I retire.
Second, researching different things helps me at work. When someone tells me what kind of work they do, I can quiz them about their work and give them the impression that I know a great deal about what they do. In turn, it tends to cut down on the attempts to try to pass bs as legit info. I’ve been able to make a few cases by doing that. Hell, today alone, I gave a female lessons in how to make cucumber rolls when she owns a catering company and told me her best dish that she prepares is sushi. Yet, she had no clue as to how to make them.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
stands for decibles:
A couple of points:
1) Calling oneself a “Christian” does not make you one.
2) Being born a Muslim means you ARE a Muslim.
3) The difference in volume between the puny few you came up with (which I submit are probably false Christians anyway by their deeds) and the hundreds of thousands of atrocious crimes and degradation of women, and lashing girls to death, and cutting off of hands and feet and …………………………… well, you get the picture.
It’s sort of like comparing a couple of FBI agents who go astray vs. the Mafia.
Get real.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
del
You are in denial, that call was so damning, he will not recover. It will be pretty hard to walk back that ideology but that’s ok, because you belong to the thirty percent that would support him even if he shot his mother because she was a liberal and democrat.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
SoCo, I can understand that. The difference is I grew up in a different time and was in circumstances where I needed to make rapid decisions based on the only information I had at the time. Don’t change because a curious mind is both good and productive.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm
Del:
Check this out ! The boys are hot and rightly so !
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/20/ex-pilots-shoot-down-timeline-of-navy/
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
mick, well we shall see what transpires in Wisconsin. Just out of curiosity though, what makes you believe that I would kill my mother, although she’s passed on, over her political orientation?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
Don’t change because a curious mind is both good and productive.
That won’t happen. I think that’s why I love what I do. I get to be nosey as hell, all up in people’s business, and I get paid to do it.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
“what makes you believe that I would kill my mother”
Try reading it again. That’s not what he said.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm
My eventual goal is to retire on about 50 acres in the middle of nowhere and be completely off the map.
40 acres is a quarter mile by a quarter mile, and that’s not nearly as big as it used to seem. So dream large; shoot for a full section (one mile square, 640 acres). You can always scale back, if need be.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:44 pm
0311, the Navy brass, excluding of course our beloved Corpsman, Naval aviators, SEALS and Sea Bee’s are rife with politically driven jack asses like Mike Mullin as an example. Navy command has been that way for a very long time.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
Del:
Yep ………… a four star squid is still a squid.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
He was nudged.
If you listen to him, he said the people will have to nudge him with their activism.
I think after he wins this cycle, we should nudge him to get corporate donations a check and balance.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
Just a few: Dave R regularly does not actually have a real discussion with anyone, attacks whoever he can, and often tries to say he uses facts and no one else does. He also is on record as saying he knows everything. In reality he knows very little, and often uses data that doesn’t actually support his position (baseless conclusions). That’s, of course, assuming he even talks about the subject at hand at all.
Just a few thoughts, don’t know where you’ve come from, but you obviously like to throw out random bits of unrelated thoughts and make judgment calls about people you don’t have the foggiest idea about.
Talk about projection! Right here he described himself almost to a tee.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Where is everyone tonight?
Just getalife and me?
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
LBB: I’ve told you, Ayn Rand can’t do anything about gas prices because she is no longer among the living. Stop calling on your dead Idiot Messiah to solve your problems for you.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Now Adam ……………. we “all” have our faults.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
Very true. Except that I don’t have the fault of buying into the idea that I must never ever be wrong about anything, and even if I am, never admit it. That’s a ridiculous idea that actually many politicians seem to think, and it’s sad that one of the sheep here has bought into it.
moonbat betty
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
haven’t read the previous 500 comments, but, doesn’t obama have some “larger” fish to fry?
Yay obama, but come ‘on…
He may have to deal with some of the W induced middle east domino dilemma that is unflolding before your eyes.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm
moonbat betty: Yes he does have bigger fish to fry, hence not using the resources of the federal government to continue to fight this particular battle in court. It’s a cost saving measure too, you see.
moonbat betty
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm
Of course it is Adam.
It’s cheaper to ski at Cattaloochie than Vail.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
12:07 am
Adam:
I hear you. I’ve had to backtrack a few times. It’s the best policy.
If one is consistent, fair and polite on these threads it’s usually not a problem.
TAPS!
TnGelding
February 24th, 2011
5:22 am
Better late than never. Now if he’ll do something to get the price of oil down, even if he has to nationalize the oil companies! Why do we continue to let commodity speculators steal our hard earned money?
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
5:42 am
The difference in volume between the puny few you came up
Scout, I can dig out horrific acts of violence committed by “Christians” any freaking day of the week.
I was just holding up a mirror for you to reflect upon your own beastly (and incredibly un-Christian) behavior. You don’t want to look, it’s your loss.
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
6:00 am
I guess the only truly disturbing thing out of yesterday’s prank-call revelations, was that a Governor of a US state actually appears believe that crushing unions in America was, and I guess still is, part of a global effort against Soviet-style Communism.
Very sick. Although his eagerness to cite St. Ronnie as his favoritist Cold Warrior does cast this historical tidbit into an almost comic (relief?) light:
http://www.salon.com/news/ronald_reagan/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/02/23/davoid_koch_reagan_walker
Clark became the Libertarian Party’s nominee for president at the party’s September 1979 national convention in Los Angeles. To fill out his ticket, Clark turned to an heir to a massive oil fortune and the president of a New York-based chemical company: 39-year-old David Koch. The pairing was a smart one for the Libertarians: As a candidate himself, Koch could sink his personal fortune into the Clark-Koch effort. With his money, the party would be able to afford a 50-state ballot drive, television ads, and a full-fledged national organization.
Hopes were high. In their inaugural national effort, the Libertarians had attracted fewer than 5,000 votes nationally in the 1972 presidential election (though a faithless elector defected from Richard Nixon and voted for Libertarian John Hospers). In 1976, they’d jumped to nearly 175,000. But now they had serious money to reach the millions of angry, anti-government voters who were growing louder everyday. This energy helped the party field 550 candidates for office across the country. It was only the beginning, Clark and Koch promised.Their goal for the ‘80 campaign was to break ten percent in the presidential race, a feat that would give the party momentum and automatic ballot status in most states. By 1982, Libertarian candidates for Congress would begin winning elections, and by the end of the decade, the Libertarians would eclipse the GOP as the nation’s second major political party.
The Libertarians’ massive ‘80 push was no small concern to the Republican Party and its candidate, Ronald Reagan. The general election was supposed to be close. It was still assumed that Carter, the peanut farmer from Georgia, would sweep the South, making it critical for Reagan to win elsewhere. But by the summer and early fall, Clark began moving into double-digits in polls in some Western states; in Alaska, his support reached over 20 percent. Pundits had long assumed that the race’s other third party candidate, John Anderson, might play the spoiler role. But now Anderson’s numbers were fading, and while Reagan was scrambling to moderate his own image for the masses, Clark was winning new fans on the right. It seemed entirely possible that the the upstart Libertarian nominee would deny Reagan just enough votes in just enough key states to prevent him from unseating Carter.
hey, water under the bridge.
WillieRae
February 24th, 2011
6:26 am
Who could have guessed that Obama would abandon his support of a federal law that said marriage is between a man and a woman? After all he campaigned on his support for DOMA. How can the executive brance decide to abandon a law that is passed by the legislative branch?
I for one am shocked.
USinUK
February 24th, 2011
6:43 am
btw … did anyone else see this yesterday???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110223/ts_yblog_thelookout/separate-but-unequal-charts-show-growing-rich-poor-gap
the disconnect between what people THINK income disparity is vs. what it really is didn’t surprise me …
… in fact, it explains a lot of numpty posters here in Bookmanialand
Normal
February 24th, 2011
7:21 am
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/revelation.htm
http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/st-john-of-revelation-was-a-psycho/
Scout and Del,
Here’s a little light reading concerning last night, if you dare, but you probably won’t.
It’s the strangest thing to me how the “Christian Nation” will glom onto a book like the Bible and most especially Revelations, and never try to educate ones self of other possibilities. I think this is why most Christians become narrow minded Neocons. I also believe that this is why Most Christians remain happy with being under educated.
Face it fellows, there will be no Rapture, there will be no Second Coming. As it is said by Biblical Scholars, Revelations is just a Bad re-hash Daniel and Ezekiel
Normal
February 24th, 2011
7:26 am
Well, now that that bunch of happy horsefeathers is over, Grand morning to all y’all. I hope you rested well and will have a great day!
Life is good for Normal. Went to the doctors yesterday and they took the braces off my knees. Pending insurance acceptance, in around ten days, they will shoot my knees full of new padding and after around five shots per knee, I will once again be able to chase Grand Babies around!
Quite a lovely thought, it is…
Mick
February 24th, 2011
7:28 am
normal
One thing that is annoying about those with closed minded religious beliefs, they were given an incredible gift of human intelligence and it is no less a sin than to not use it regarding common sense and logic. Most important however, is that one should have the ability to read between the lines when it comes to biblical dogma..
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
7:28 am
“Face it fellows, there will be no Rapture, there will be no Second Coming.”
Isn’t it just baffling how many believers in the Prince of Peace are so anxious for the upcoming violence they ALSO believe in?
Mick
February 24th, 2011
7:29 am
normal
Every time one suffers a malady, it becomes increasingly clearer – your health is your wealth..
the watch dog
February 24th, 2011
7:34 am
This is the quintesential example of PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRACY. This gay rights boondoggle is slowly working its way through the democratic process. At sometime in the future the federal law banning gay marriage will be repealled. It seems at times like unnecessary strife and resistance. Our weapons are reason. But let us not in our criticism overlook the fact that nowhere in the world can comparable dignity and power in citizenship be seen.
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
7:38 am
UnU @ 6.43, I have seen other polls about the vast perception/reality gap amongst the public regarding income distribution in America. Why the DNC doesn’t exploit this is a mystery to me–it’s not like they’re not going to be called “class warriors” anyway, no matter what they do.
anyway, WI Gov. sheets upstairs.
Del
February 24th, 2011
7:47 am
Good morning to normal, mick and doggone I see you fine folks woke up with your sanctimony and presumption in tact. Have an enjoyable day.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
8:15 am
del
Not really, just an opinion…I respect your beliefs and your right to hold them…that’s it, nothing more…
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
8:45 am
decibels:
If you can’t see the world as a whole and the HUGE difference in volume as well as individual “Christians” vs. numerous organized Islamists groups then you are truly BLIND.