Obama abandons defense of federal gay-marriage ban
The Obama administration has announced it will no longer try to defend Section 3 of the federal Defense of Marriage Act from lawsuits alleging the law is unconstitutional. (The law forbids the federal government from recognizing any marriage other than that between a man and a woman.)
The decision is big news, but probably not as big as some have suggested. In real terms, it probably doesn’t change much at all. As Attorney General Eric Holder noted in the announcement:
“Section 3 of DOMA will continue to remain in effect unless Congress repeals it or there is a final judicial finding that strikes it down, and the President has informed me that the Executive Branch will continue to enforce the law. But while both the wisdom and the legality of Section 3 of DOMA will continue to be the subject of both extensive litigation and public debate, this Administration will no longer assert its constitutionality in court.”
In other words, it’s still law, and despite concerns about constitutionality, the Obama administration will still honor it. Other parties, including members of Congress, are also still free to defend the law from constitutional challenges already underway in several federal court jurisdictions.
One of the constitutional issues at stake involves states rights. Marriage has always been regulated and defined by the states; the federal government, for example, does not issue marriage licenses, and nothing in the Constitution gives it the power to do so. The entire area of family law — marriage, divorce, child custody, etc., — has been a state responsibility.
Last year, a federal judge in Massachusetts — a Nixon appointee — ruled the law unconstitutional on just those grounds, citing the Tenth Amendment:
It is a fundamental principle underlying our federalist system of government that “[e]very law enacted by Congress must be based on one or more of its powers enumerated in the Constitution.” And, correspondingly, the Tenth Amendment provides that “[t]he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” The division between state and federal powers delineated by the Constitution is not merely “formalistic.” Rather, the Tenth Amendment “leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty.” This reflects a founding principle of governance in this country, that “[s]tates are not mere political subdivision of the United States,” but rather sovereigns unto themselves.”
Despite their professed reverence for the Tenth Amendment — U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, you might recall, said “the very future of freedom and limited government depends (on it)” — I doubt many conservatives will find the judge’s logic convincing.
– Jay Bookman
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0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
Doggone:
Those are His words not mine.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
SoCo, yes you should take it as a compliment. If you noticed I was kidding, however, on a somewhat more serious note, it amuses me how so many charts, links, and googled references are referenced on this blog daily. Maybe I’m just a dumb ass but I don’t see how so many on here have the time to research and become real experts on every given topic. I feel that I keep myself reasonably informed and able to form an opinion as a result but I sure don’t have the time to gather up all of these web sites to reinforce an argument and when I look at the posted sites they’re typically authored by those with a serious bias one way or the other. Oh well just the opinion of an old man.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm
josef:
Yes He was a jew and the Messiah.
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
8:39 pm
Just a few thoughts, don’t know where you’ve come from, but you obviously like to throw out random bits of unrelated thoughts and make judgment calls about people you don’t have the foggiest idea about.
I think in more ways than you could ever dream of, and I challenge the status quo on a daily basis.
So why don’t you chill out, put together some deeper, logical thoughts, and join some of us in a real discussion?
Or you can just continue to be a flaming downer.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
“I’ve always wondered what G-d was thinking when H- made the platypus…”
Yeah, that one too!
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:41 pm
“Those are His words not mine”
And why do you think my reply was addressed to YOU? I keep telling you that YOU are not God, but you keep forgetting.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm
hillbilly deluxe
Man, that video with mike nesmith has stuck in my head for a better part of the week. Not the video mind you, but the lyrics about rodan…her name is rodan…..amazing how that works..
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:44 pm
It’s been said that if you disbelieve that our Lord had a sense of humor, just look at dogs.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:45 pm
Del
…or in the mirror!
Shockingly Hilarious
February 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
Just a few thoughts, don’t know where you’ve come from, but you obviously like to throw out random bits of unrelated thoughts and make judgment calls about people you don’t have the foggiest idea about.
Eric
February 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm
I do look forward to the day I no longer have to check “single” on my tax return or elsewhere, even though I have been partnered for the last eight years. Not only is it insulting, but as a single person, I end up paying much more in income tax than “married” couples. They’re the ones that get to leave work a little before 5:00p to pick up their kids, while I have to stay late and work on. Anyone want to trade places with me?
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:48 pm
“It’s been said that if you disbelieve that our Lord had a sense of humor, just look at dogs”
yep! I’ve got that one posted above my desk.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm
‘Course if you want an example of “mocking God” there’s always the description of a camel as “a horse put together by a committee”
Just a few thoughts...
February 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm
Dave R.
Real discussion? Is that what you’re calling it?
That’s the whole point I’m trying to make and unfortunately it goes right over your head. Evidently you think you’ve got all the answers – hell everyone thinks they do! Funny thing is, you all don’t seem to be getting anywhere with those so called “answers”.
You’re the one that may need a breather.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
josef, the mirror is true and revealing, however, when we all walk away from the mirror, we tend to forget what we saw until the next time.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm
Del @ 8:38
In reference to your post, I try to stay well informed, too, and like you, I don’t see how some folks have the time to research all the stuff they comment on. A lot of my beliefs, on a particular subject, are based on a working knowledge of the topic, but not in depth, expert knowledge, and just pure gut instinct. Like any human, I’m not infallible but I’ve found that my gut instinct usually gets me to the right decisions, in life.
I’m curious how it works for others.
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josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:52 pm
Del
Ain’t it the truth!?
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
just a few
Don’t mind dave r, once in a blue moon he actually gets something right and no sooner than you can snap your fingers, he try’s to disavow it when he realizes that people actually agree with him. What a conundrum, that dave r…
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Hillbilly
Granddaddy always said to go with your gut when you don’t have the time to think about it first…
They BOTH suck
February 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm
Wonder if this announcement made any one gay or did it change what someone who is against it teaches in their household?
Del
February 23rd, 2011
8:55 pm
H.D. ain’t that the truth it couldn’t have been said better.
josef nix
February 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm
okay, it was a b*tch of a day in the high court and I’m f*gged out…g’night…
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm
hd
I agree with you to a point but going with your gut instead of obtaining the knowledge to make the best decision, more often than not, works against you…
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam …………………….
“Pressure Increases for Release of Afghan Aid Worker Arrested for Being Christian”
By Diane Macedo
“Pressure is mounting for the release of an Afghan Red Cross worker who was arrested last summer for converting to Christianity.
The worker, Said Musa, 46, who left Islam roughly eight years ago, was arrested in May after an Afghan TV report showed locals being baptized and called for the government to crack down on apostasy.
Musa, a father of six, who lost a leg to a land mine and was working to help other amputees when he was arrested, reportedly was abused in prison and threatened with death if he did not renounce his faith.”
Dave R.
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
“Real discussion? Is that what you’re calling it? ”
I’m certainly not calling what you’re attempting to do a real discussion.
Oh, and btw, you attempted to call out one of the LEAST likeliest people on this blog to be considered a “sheep”.
Now, if you think saying the equivalent of “everybody is a sheep on one side or the other” a conversation starter, maybe you should just get back to your classroom with the other 10 year-olds.
AmVet
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
White evangelical Protestants are roughly five times more likely to agree with the Tea Party movement than to disagree with it, Pew found. American Jews, meanwhile, are nearly three times as likely to disagree with the movement than agree with it.
My tribe rocks…
Among black Protestants, those who disagree with the Tea Party outnumber those who agree with it by more than five to one…
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:02 pm
josef, yes and that’s why I believe in a savior because God new we couldn’t make it on our own. He only had two choices and fortunately for us, he chose Jesus.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
9:03 pm
By the way del, jm and all the other hardcore repubs, I challenge you to listen to the whole twenty minute interview with that right wing phony governor in wisconsin when he thought he was talking to a billionaire….sickening and a very poor working knowledge of contemporary american history..
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm
Ah, the wonderful world of Christianity…
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article932689.ece/Mulalo-is-a-victim
A defence witness has tried to convince the Johannesburg High Court that convicted husband-killer Mulalo Sivhidzho wasn’t all that bad.
Presenting his evidence in mitigation of sentence, private forensic criminologist Eon Sonnekus said the court should send her to jail for 12 years and not life because she was “raised as a Christian”.
In addition, he said, the woman who masterminded the murder of her husband, Avhatakali Netshisaulu, was not at the scene of his murder and therefore could not control her hired assassins and “the brutality of the crime”.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
More from the wonderful world of Christianity:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700112701/Anti-illegal-immigrant-activist-gets-death-sentence-may-be-seen-as-a-martyr.html
ucson, Arizona — An Arizona woman convicted of orchestrating the murders of two people in an attempt to personally enforce federal immigration laws was sentenced to death Tuesday prompting anti-immigrant enthusiasts to declare her a martyr.
Jurors found Shawna Forde, a 43-year-old beautician, guilty of first-degree murder in the deaths 9-year-old, Brisenia Flores, her father Raul “Junior” Flores and the attempted first-degree murder of her mother Gina Gonzalez, Arizona’s Green Valley News reported. She will die by lethal injection.
[...]
After Forde was sentenced, Dutch Joens, a California-based Internet talk-radio host for Separatist Christian Militia Radio, said Forde was “being persecuted for her white skin and patriotic views,” The Daily Beast reported.
A group of self-proclaimed conservative Christians formed a support group called The Committee for Justice for Shawna Forde. On their web site, where Forde is described as a “racially profiled, false arrested, political agenda prisoner,” they proclaimed: “It is a crime to be a white, conservative, Christian woman who loves your country if you’re caught in drug-smuggler-loving Pima County.”
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
mick, come on a lot of that has been blown out of proportion. I listened to it and it was politics are you trying to say that the democrats in similar encounters have proven themselves to be as pure as new fallen snow. Please…you’ll have to do a lot better.
Lil' Barry Bailout
February 23rd, 2011
9:09 pm
What is the Idiot Messiah doing about these outrageous gas prices?
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
And what the hey, a little more of that wonderful world. Your Tax Dollars at Work:
http://floridaindependent.com/22289/federally-funded-jacksonville-abstinence-program-has-ties-to-%E2%80%98kill-the-gays%E2%80%99-ugandan-pastor
Federally funded Jacksonville abstinence program has ties to ‘Kill the Gays’ Ugandan pastor
Project SOS, a Jacksonvile-based abstinence education program, has received more than $6.5 million in federal funding through the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services since 2002 — including $454,000 in September 2010. This despite the fact that the group has been cited for teaching false information about HIV and is a supporter of Ugandan pastor Martin Ssempa, one of the most outspoken advocates of legislation in that country that prescribes the death penalty for homosexuals. #
Project SOS’ federal funding came through the Administration of Children and Families, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services, via grants for Community Based Abstinence Education and a Healthy Marriage Demonstration grant. The abstinence education funding is made available through Title V (.pdf) of the Social Security Act. A provision of Title V requires that states provide a $3 match for every $4 in federal money.
Project SOS was founded in 1993 by former St. Johns County School Board member Pam Mullarkey and provides abstinence-only programs to public schools in several Florida counties.
At least two national watchdog groups, however, call into question the program’s accuracy and efficacy.
The “Go APE (Abstinence Protects Everyone)” curriculum devised and taught by Project SOS was mentioned in a Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States report on teaching misinformation about HIV and AIDS. In another report, by the American School Health Association, Project SOS’ in-school curriculum was evaluated on graphics, citation of current research and theory and was deemed “unacceptable” in overall content.
The group appears to have a broad reach in Florida schools.
According to an interview the group’s founder and president gave to the American Family Association in 2003, her program was projected to reach “50,000 kids.” A post on Project SOS’ own website claims the group has reached nearly 300,000 Florida students since its founding.
Also troubling are Mullarkey’s ties to Ugandan pastor Martin Ssempa, a vocal advocate for that country’s 2009 “Anti Homosexuality Bill”, nicknamed the “Kill the Gays” law.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
Stands for Dismal, Why of course condemn about 70% of your fellow countryman who identify themselves as Christians in a country based on Christian principals. Why continue to live here?…Delta is ready when you are.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm
Don’t discount God’s sense of humor. Anyone who has ever seen a wart hog KNOWS he has one.
I’ve always wondered what G-d was thinking when H- made the platypus
I’d agree that he definitely has a sense of humor…
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm
Lastly, I think this sign pretty much nails it.
Pleasant evenin’, all!
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
9:15 pm
Oh, and Del? those posts weren’t for you, they were for the imbecile who thinks his ministry requires him to piss on Islam every waking hour. That guy.
really outa here now.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm
del
Did you listen to the whole twenty minutes? I doubt it, especially his discourse on reagan and unions. Here’s the truth: “One of the most elemental human rights [is] the right to belong to a free trade union.” — Ronald Reagan Square that with governor b.s.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
mick, yes I did and it wasn’t anything more than locker room bull $hit. The left will have a very difficult time bringing Walker down on that childish prank. It may even help him.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
9:24 pm
Del
Compliment is greatly appreciated. I’m perfectly aware of my personal biases, and I try to tamp them down as much as possible if I’m trying to participate in a reasoned debate.
As far as the graphs and stuff, I was and still consider myself to be a nerd of sorts. I was the one in high school who knew all kinds of inane trivia. I’m always looking into different things for two reasons.
First one is sheer curiosity. I like to know how things work, how people think, and why people or things behave in the manners they do. My eventual goal is to retire on about 50 acres in the middle of nowhere and be completely off the map. I don’t want to have to depend on anyone for anything if possible. It’s not completely viable this date, but I still have a few decades before I retire.
Second, researching different things helps me at work. When someone tells me what kind of work they do, I can quiz them about their work and give them the impression that I know a great deal about what they do. In turn, it tends to cut down on the attempts to try to pass bs as legit info. I’ve been able to make a few cases by doing that. Hell, today alone, I gave a female lessons in how to make cucumber rolls when she owns a catering company and told me her best dish that she prepares is sushi. Yet, she had no clue as to how to make them.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
stands for decibles:
A couple of points:
1) Calling oneself a “Christian” does not make you one.
2) Being born a Muslim means you ARE a Muslim.
3) The difference in volume between the puny few you came up with (which I submit are probably false Christians anyway by their deeds) and the hundreds of thousands of atrocious crimes and degradation of women, and lashing girls to death, and cutting off of hands and feet and …………………………… well, you get the picture.
It’s sort of like comparing a couple of FBI agents who go astray vs. the Mafia.
Get real.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
del
You are in denial, that call was so damning, he will not recover. It will be pretty hard to walk back that ideology but that’s ok, because you belong to the thirty percent that would support him even if he shot his mother because she was a liberal and democrat.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
SoCo, I can understand that. The difference is I grew up in a different time and was in circumstances where I needed to make rapid decisions based on the only information I had at the time. Don’t change because a curious mind is both good and productive.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm
Del:
Check this out ! The boys are hot and rightly so !
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/20/ex-pilots-shoot-down-timeline-of-navy/
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
mick, well we shall see what transpires in Wisconsin. Just out of curiosity though, what makes you believe that I would kill my mother, although she’s passed on, over her political orientation?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
Don’t change because a curious mind is both good and productive.
That won’t happen. I think that’s why I love what I do. I get to be nosey as hell, all up in people’s business, and I get paid to do it.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
“what makes you believe that I would kill my mother”
Try reading it again. That’s not what he said.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm
My eventual goal is to retire on about 50 acres in the middle of nowhere and be completely off the map.
40 acres is a quarter mile by a quarter mile, and that’s not nearly as big as it used to seem. So dream large; shoot for a full section (one mile square, 640 acres). You can always scale back, if need be.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
9:44 pm
0311, the Navy brass, excluding of course our beloved Corpsman, Naval aviators, SEALS and Sea Bee’s are rife with politically driven jack asses like Mike Mullin as an example. Navy command has been that way for a very long time.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
Del:
Yep ………… a four star squid is still a squid.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
He was nudged.
If you listen to him, he said the people will have to nudge him with their activism.
I think after he wins this cycle, we should nudge him to get corporate donations a check and balance.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
Just a few: Dave R regularly does not actually have a real discussion with anyone, attacks whoever he can, and often tries to say he uses facts and no one else does. He also is on record as saying he knows everything. In reality he knows very little, and often uses data that doesn’t actually support his position (baseless conclusions). That’s, of course, assuming he even talks about the subject at hand at all.
Just a few thoughts, don’t know where you’ve come from, but you obviously like to throw out random bits of unrelated thoughts and make judgment calls about people you don’t have the foggiest idea about.
Talk about projection! Right here he described himself almost to a tee.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Where is everyone tonight?
Just getalife and me?
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
LBB: I’ve told you, Ayn Rand can’t do anything about gas prices because she is no longer among the living. Stop calling on your dead Idiot Messiah to solve your problems for you.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm
Now Adam ……………. we “all” have our faults.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
Very true. Except that I don’t have the fault of buying into the idea that I must never ever be wrong about anything, and even if I am, never admit it. That’s a ridiculous idea that actually many politicians seem to think, and it’s sad that one of the sheep here has bought into it.
moonbat betty
February 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm
haven’t read the previous 500 comments, but, doesn’t obama have some “larger” fish to fry?
Yay obama, but come ‘on…
He may have to deal with some of the W induced middle east domino dilemma that is unflolding before your eyes.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm
moonbat betty: Yes he does have bigger fish to fry, hence not using the resources of the federal government to continue to fight this particular battle in court. It’s a cost saving measure too, you see.
moonbat betty
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm
Of course it is Adam.
It’s cheaper to ski at Cattaloochie than Vail.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 24th, 2011
12:07 am
Adam:
I hear you. I’ve had to backtrack a few times. It’s the best policy.
If one is consistent, fair and polite on these threads it’s usually not a problem.
TAPS!
TnGelding
February 24th, 2011
5:22 am
Better late than never. Now if he’ll do something to get the price of oil down, even if he has to nationalize the oil companies! Why do we continue to let commodity speculators steal our hard earned money?
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
5:42 am
The difference in volume between the puny few you came up
Scout, I can dig out horrific acts of violence committed by “Christians” any freaking day of the week.
I was just holding up a mirror for you to reflect upon your own beastly (and incredibly un-Christian) behavior. You don’t want to look, it’s your loss.
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
6:00 am
I guess the only truly disturbing thing out of yesterday’s prank-call revelations, was that a Governor of a US state actually appears believe that crushing unions in America was, and I guess still is, part of a global effort against Soviet-style Communism.
Very sick. Although his eagerness to cite St. Ronnie as his favoritist Cold Warrior does cast this historical tidbit into an almost comic (relief?) light:
http://www.salon.com/news/ronald_reagan/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/02/23/davoid_koch_reagan_walker
Clark became the Libertarian Party’s nominee for president at the party’s September 1979 national convention in Los Angeles. To fill out his ticket, Clark turned to an heir to a massive oil fortune and the president of a New York-based chemical company: 39-year-old David Koch. The pairing was a smart one for the Libertarians: As a candidate himself, Koch could sink his personal fortune into the Clark-Koch effort. With his money, the party would be able to afford a 50-state ballot drive, television ads, and a full-fledged national organization.
Hopes were high. In their inaugural national effort, the Libertarians had attracted fewer than 5,000 votes nationally in the 1972 presidential election (though a faithless elector defected from Richard Nixon and voted for Libertarian John Hospers). In 1976, they’d jumped to nearly 175,000. But now they had serious money to reach the millions of angry, anti-government voters who were growing louder everyday. This energy helped the party field 550 candidates for office across the country. It was only the beginning, Clark and Koch promised.Their goal for the ‘80 campaign was to break ten percent in the presidential race, a feat that would give the party momentum and automatic ballot status in most states. By 1982, Libertarian candidates for Congress would begin winning elections, and by the end of the decade, the Libertarians would eclipse the GOP as the nation’s second major political party.
The Libertarians’ massive ‘80 push was no small concern to the Republican Party and its candidate, Ronald Reagan. The general election was supposed to be close. It was still assumed that Carter, the peanut farmer from Georgia, would sweep the South, making it critical for Reagan to win elsewhere. But by the summer and early fall, Clark began moving into double-digits in polls in some Western states; in Alaska, his support reached over 20 percent. Pundits had long assumed that the race’s other third party candidate, John Anderson, might play the spoiler role. But now Anderson’s numbers were fading, and while Reagan was scrambling to moderate his own image for the masses, Clark was winning new fans on the right. It seemed entirely possible that the the upstart Libertarian nominee would deny Reagan just enough votes in just enough key states to prevent him from unseating Carter.
hey, water under the bridge.
WillieRae
February 24th, 2011
6:26 am
Who could have guessed that Obama would abandon his support of a federal law that said marriage is between a man and a woman? After all he campaigned on his support for DOMA. How can the executive brance decide to abandon a law that is passed by the legislative branch?
I for one am shocked.
USinUK
February 24th, 2011
6:43 am
btw … did anyone else see this yesterday???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110223/ts_yblog_thelookout/separate-but-unequal-charts-show-growing-rich-poor-gap
the disconnect between what people THINK income disparity is vs. what it really is didn’t surprise me …
… in fact, it explains a lot of numpty posters here in Bookmanialand
Normal
February 24th, 2011
7:21 am
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/revelation.htm
http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/st-john-of-revelation-was-a-psycho/
Scout and Del,
Here’s a little light reading concerning last night, if you dare, but you probably won’t.
It’s the strangest thing to me how the “Christian Nation” will glom onto a book like the Bible and most especially Revelations, and never try to educate ones self of other possibilities. I think this is why most Christians become narrow minded Neocons. I also believe that this is why Most Christians remain happy with being under educated.
Face it fellows, there will be no Rapture, there will be no Second Coming. As it is said by Biblical Scholars, Revelations is just a Bad re-hash Daniel and Ezekiel
Normal
February 24th, 2011
7:26 am
Well, now that that bunch of happy horsefeathers is over, Grand morning to all y’all. I hope you rested well and will have a great day!
Life is good for Normal. Went to the doctors yesterday and they took the braces off my knees. Pending insurance acceptance, in around ten days, they will shoot my knees full of new padding and after around five shots per knee, I will once again be able to chase Grand Babies around!
Quite a lovely thought, it is…
Mick
February 24th, 2011
7:28 am
normal
One thing that is annoying about those with closed minded religious beliefs, they were given an incredible gift of human intelligence and it is no less a sin than to not use it regarding common sense and logic. Most important however, is that one should have the ability to read between the lines when it comes to biblical dogma..
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2011
7:28 am
“Face it fellows, there will be no Rapture, there will be no Second Coming.”
Isn’t it just baffling how many believers in the Prince of Peace are so anxious for the upcoming violence they ALSO believe in?
Mick
February 24th, 2011
7:29 am
normal
Every time one suffers a malady, it becomes increasingly clearer – your health is your wealth..
the watch dog
February 24th, 2011
7:34 am
This is the quintesential example of PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRACY. This gay rights boondoggle is slowly working its way through the democratic process. At sometime in the future the federal law banning gay marriage will be repealled. It seems at times like unnecessary strife and resistance. Our weapons are reason. But let us not in our criticism overlook the fact that nowhere in the world can comparable dignity and power in citizenship be seen.
stands for decibels
February 24th, 2011
7:38 am
UnU @ 6.43, I have seen other polls about the vast perception/reality gap amongst the public regarding income distribution in America. Why the DNC doesn’t exploit this is a mystery to me–it’s not like they’re not going to be called “class warriors” anyway, no matter what they do.
anyway, WI Gov. sheets upstairs.
Del
February 24th, 2011
7:47 am
Good morning to normal, mick and doggone I see you fine folks woke up with your sanctimony and presumption in tact. Have an enjoyable day.
Mick
February 24th, 2011
8:15 am
del
Not really, just an opinion…I respect your beliefs and your right to hold them…that’s it, nothing more…
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February 24th, 2011
8:45 am
decibels:
If you can’t see the world as a whole and the HUGE difference in volume as well as individual “Christians” vs. numerous organized Islamists groups then you are truly BLIND.