A call for armed counterprotesters to Atlanta labor rally

SEIU, the Service Employees International Union, is holding rallies at state capitols around the country to demonstrate solidarity with public employee unions in Wisconsin. The union has scheduled an event at the Gold Dome in Atlanta at 4 pm today.

This has been posted on the far-right Free Republic site, under the headline:
“Atlanta Tea Party and Many Other Groups, Facing Off the SEIU Thugs Wednesday”

“Members of the various Tea Party, 9/12, and other freedom-oriented folks in the Atlanta area will be assembling in the vicinity of Georgia State Capitol this coming Wednesday afternoon at 4 pm. We’ll be providing balance to the ravings of the passengers aboard the SEIU Thugbus, which is scheduled to vomit forth its stooges at that same place and time.

If you are within three hours drive of ATL, come join us.

Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements. As always, each participant is responsible for compliance with all applicable local laws.

Rally point will be the corner of Trinity and Washington Streets in front of the Trinity United Methodist Church. Guide on the Gadsden flags. Rendezvous time no later than 3:45 pm local.

There appears to be some regulations re armed protests on the Washington Street side of the Capitol, so attendees are requested to be flexible in your attire. We will attempt (but no promises) to get some additional clarity regarding the situation and post it here prior to the show.

Take a stand.

Join us in Atlanta on Wednesday.”

The advice that “attendees are requested to be flexible in your attire” is apparently a suggestion to keep firearms concealed. The original author goes on to claim that “the lefties are idiots who are very good at running their mouths… and also very good at keeping their distance from an armed American”.

A couple of posters advised against bringing firearms to the rally, but that point of view did not seem to carry the day, as the following posts suggest:

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403 comments Add your comment

Jerome Horowitz

February 23rd, 2011
10:07 am

I’ve heard gevernment employees called many things, but, this a first for thugs.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
10:09 am

“Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements.”

classy.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2011
10:11 am

Paul

February 23rd, 2011
10:11 am

Sounds like probable cause for authorities to frisk the counterprotesters before granting them admittance to the site?

Glad you labeled it “FAR-Right Free Republic.” But, could I suggest “Off the charts and off at the end of the universe” Free Republic?

Normal

February 23rd, 2011
10:12 am

Isn’t that terroristic threat rhetoric?

There are stupid people and then there are those who feel the need to carry a gun everywhere they go..the really delusional and stupid.
God save us from peepee envy.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
10:14 am

Those tea partying tools! Thugs! They are good for a laugh, the butt of a good joke.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
10:15 am

Let’s hope they’ve been following the Arizona “vigilante” case more closely than their words appear to indicate.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
10:15 am

Paul – I second that emotion.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
10:17 am

“Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements.”

Proudly flailing his snub-nosed that could only impress the likes of Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity…

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
10:19 am

remember, this entire “SEIU thugs” meme that EVERY conservative yammers about is based on one (1) fuzzy night-lit video that shows some guy in a SEIU T-shirt mighta kicked a guy, who mighta thrown the first punch.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
10:19 am

Glad you labeled it “FAR-Right Free Republic.” But, could I suggest “Off the charts and off at the end of the universe” Free Republic?

*Nominee for Gem of the Day!!!!

M

February 23rd, 2011
10:19 am

Doesn’t sound very peaceable to me.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
10:22 am

Freeperville–where our Birther trash can frolic around uninhibited by pesky facts and logic.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
10:22 am

I guess the teachers here in Georgia better stay away. Then again, they’re not union. That also goes for police and fire fighters and other government workers. They need to know their place and stay in it. The non-thugs have spoken.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
10:23 am

Although to be fair to the Freepers, they’re not as blatantly racist as Stormfront, which is where guys like JKL2 and Bud Wiser likely hang out.

Granny Godzilla

February 23rd, 2011
10:23 am

Oh won’t the APD be delighted…..

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:24 am

It’s sad that the unions in Wisconsin and the protests are causing this much ruckus across the country. Those teachers protesting(especially the ones with fake doctor notes) should be fired. If not fired, then not paid for the days they were protesting. Same goes for the chicken shyt Democrats who took their toys and went home to Illinois.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
10:24 am

We’ll be providing balance to the ravings of the passengers aboard the SEIU Thugbus

remember, when the Koch wh0res bus in TPers to represent in Wisconsin, those are stalwart RealMerkins.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2011
10:25 am

“Let’s hope they’ve been following the Arizona “vigilante” case more closely than their words appear to indicate.”

Ferreal. Glad that woman is getting the needle….

M

February 23rd, 2011
10:26 am

Let me get this straight…the protesters that are showing support for the protesters who want the freedom to negotiate are the thugs, and the armed guys across the street who protest in the name of freedom aren’t?

I WILL OUT-FREEDOM YOU TO THE DEATH

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:26 am

I wonder what these protests are costing the kids’ parents who have to either take vacation time to stay home from work to watch their kids or pay for extra daycare.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
10:28 am

Jay

In their defense, there is this post:

With all due respect: The unions, and especially the left wants the tea party to bring weapons. Obama would LOVE it if you (God Forbid) use them.

That gives them the ‘ammunition’ to attack the Tea Party in every way possible. You will see endless loops of alleged Tea Party members ‘violence’ on CNN. It would give them permission to enact gun restriction laws.

Do NOT bring a weapon. Your vote is your weapon. Your wallet is your weapon. Your brain is your weapon. Most importantly, your FAITH is your weapon.

Do NOT “face off” with union operatives who would like nothing better than a fight. If you lose- you lose. If you win- you lose.

Suggestion: Bring a camera. Take their pictures. Get their names. Make a record.

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
10:28 am

There appears to be some regulations re armed protests on the Washington Street side of the Capitol, so attendees are requested to be flexible in your attire. We will attempt (but no promises) to get some additional clarity regarding the situation and post it here prior to the show.

There may be some regulations but we dont really promise to let you know if we are encouraging you to violate law or not. And if the shooting does start, remember we are not responsible nor could we forsee the consequences.

The foolishness continues the rapid transformation into complete stupidity.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
10:28 am

PD seems to be under the impression that the only people protesting in WI are teachers.

There are corrections officers, firemen, police, their families…

But like I was saying earlier, there’s likely an element of sexism to the right wing hatred of the public sector unions, so it would make sense they’d be focusing on the teachers.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
10:30 am

In their defense

Having lurked over at Freeperville before, there are usually a few sane ones sprinkled amongst the hootin’/hollerin’ rootin’/tooters, in any given Free Republic thread that attracts a lot of attention.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
10:32 am

dB

You know me… Jay provides a link, SC goes and read the link. If I didn’t have parental duties this evening, I might be interested in going downtown for a little rally myself. :)

retired early

February 23rd, 2011
10:32 am

FYI….this service employees union has less than 15,000 members in Georgia. It is hardly a threat to anyone and certainly not to these” Patriotic” Tea Party members. Please….get a life.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
10:32 am

“I wonder what these protests are costing the kids’ parents ”

the same thing it would cost them if the school burned down, or there was an epidemic and they had to keep their children home

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:32 am

“There are corrections officers, firemen, police, their families…”

So instead of doing their jobs, they are out wasting taxpayers dollars protesting? I wonder if any of them got fake doctor notes as well?

“But like I was saying earlier, there’s likely an element of sexism to the right wing hatred of the public sector unions” – LOL what does that have to do with any of this?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
10:34 am

So instead of doing their jobs, they are out wasting taxpayers dollars protesting? I wonder if any of them got fake doctor notes as well?

Damn dude!!!! Does the term DAY OFF mean anything?

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
10:34 am

“So instead of doing their jobs, they are out wasting taxpayers dollars protesting?”

Interesting, isn’t it? Especially since THEY are exempt from the provisions of that bill.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:35 am

“the same thing it would cost them if the school burned down, or there was an epidemic and they had to keep their children home”

So an epidemic or school burning down is the equivalent of teachers wasting taxpayers dollars protesting and getting fake doctors notes to cover their arses? Please tell me that’s not what you meant by that.

andi Kulp

February 23rd, 2011
10:36 am

This group and groups like them need to have the bright spotlight put on who and what is really behind their agenda and why. We really need to “follow the money and power” on this one. They seem to believe they can only have their freedom by removing (any way they can) the freedoms of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of all the rest of Americans using RTC (right to carry) accessories, threatening posters, bully tactics. I believe this to be a threat. I don’t know what else you could call it.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:36 am

“Damn dude!!!! Does the term DAY OFF mean anything?” – Ya but don’t be stu-stu-stupid about it. If you play hooky and call in sick, don’t be seen on tv protesting! Then it’s just too obvious. LOL!!!

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
10:36 am

“Please tell me that’s not what you meant by that”

Can’t comply with that request. Yes, I *do* mean it’s the equivilent.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
10:37 am

You know, the protests are taking place on SATURDAY in solidarity. Just in case anyone was wondering how they can do this and still work. You guys are being ridiculous by trying to make THAT point and it just shows you don’t “get it.”

I would excuse the comments if this were ten years ago. But it’s not. This is an age where people have started taking calls to arms over peaceful things that only just barely piss them off SERIOUSLY.

Tea Party Patriot

February 23rd, 2011
10:38 am

Since those who legally carry in Georgia are more law abiding that even the police, you’ll be safe.

It’s the APD you better watch out for.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:38 am

Dem lawmaker on labor protests: ‘Get a little bloody when necessary’
By Michael O’Brien – 02/23/11 07:57 AM ET

Sometimes it’s necessary to get out on the streets and “get a little bloody,” a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) fired up a group of union members in Boston with a speech urging them to work down in the trenches to fend off limits to workers’ rights like those proposed in Wisconsin.

“I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going,” Capuano said, according to the Dorchester Reporter. “Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary.”

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
10:39 am

fake doctors?…… Are you sure they dont just play one on televised protests.

Normal

February 23rd, 2011
10:39 am

Sprout Puppy,
In Wisconsin, the Union supporters are exercising their right to assemble and protest what they feel is wrong…same as here in Atlanta.

This is what you said you fought for.

How does that saying go? “While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it”.

Granny Godzilla

February 23rd, 2011
10:40 am

Some have no problem calling themselves “Tea Partier”,,,,but let’s remember the first Tea Partier also broke the law, risked their freedom and their lives to fight government overreach.

Go Labor!

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:40 am

“Yes, I *do* mean it’s the equivilent.” – Wow. You may need a parachute for that leap big guy. Good luck with that!

southern sanity?

February 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

You have got to be kidding me. Teachers who have agreed to give up benefits/ retirement to balance a budget and those who support them are thugs?! Yet nut cases who call for armed protests against teachers and public workers are “freedom loving americans”?! Wow that is screwed up. I love Atlanta but these few vocal intolerant nut cases make me ashamed to live here. They should be classified as terrorists even if they are hiding behind our flag. Gun laws should be strictly enforced so we can lock up as many of these crazy terrorists as possible.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

There are corrections officers, firemen, police, their families…

stands, they are also joined by steel workers, construction workers, students, teachers, Green Bay Packers, nurses and religious groups.

Speak up America! And redress your grievances.

If the RTC boys are like the garden variety neo-con, they are all hat and no cattle.

The anti-government (unless there is an even bigger bogey man involved), jackbooted cons and the never-served, never-will chickenhawks in the lunatic fringe only get violent against women and defenseless people in churches.

When there is remotely a fair fight involved, all they are gonna do is puff up their chests and talk real loud from the back of the crowd.

And I suspect that most of them probably couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn with a shotgun from twenty feet away…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

Signs seen carried by extremist tea partiers…er…uh…I mean the dedicated union workers in Wisconsin:

Hitler

Mussolini

Mubarek

Fascist

Rape

Death

WTF

USMC dawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
10:42 am

Normal: How does that saying go? “While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it”.

If only more people actually took that in as a serious philosophy we might have a more civil and moderate discussion about all of the things that have been so polarized lately.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
10:42 am

“Having lurked over at Freeperville before”

criminey, I have visions of Silkwood dancing in my head – talk about needing to be decontaminated after lurking there!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:42 am

Were these Tea Partiers or Union workers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxeZvUKpFbM

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

“In Wisconsin, the Union supporters are exercising their right to assemble and protest what they feel is wrong” – Yup and the state of Wisconsin will be exercising their right to hand out pink slips for teachers who are at these protests instead of in the classroom. Good for Wisconsin!

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

Poll: If the protests do get bloody, regardless of who fired the first shot or started the first fight, who will be blamed? Unions or government?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

Get ready for the spin:

GALLUP: DC, Hawaii Still Most Approving of Obama; All States Decline…

2012 Ad Blitz for Obama Planned…

Army of community organizers to carry ‘movement forward for years to come’…

M

February 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

At least we’re still subsidizing NASCAR.

USMC dawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

The ugly face of “IDENTITY POLITICS” & “MULTICULTURALISM”.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110223/NEWS01/102230331/Top-court-overturns-cinema-ruling?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
10:45 am

Peadawg: Yup and the state of Wisconsin will be exercising their right to hand out pink slips for teachers who are at these protests instead of in the classroom

Tantamount to indentured servitude and the false idea that “you should just be happy to have a job” as an excuse to further erode worker’s rights.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:46 am

Adam
February 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

The gun control fanatics would blame those who support the 2nd Amendment.

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
10:47 am

Now teachers are thugs? Where’s the humanity in this debate?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:48 am

I think the CDC needs to be put on alert. Based on the number of illegal doctor’s excuses being handed out there must be some sort of epidemic or something.

M

February 23rd, 2011
10:50 am

I would enjoy seeing everyone’s opinions if ALL salaries were dictated by the whims of a legislature or a governor. Perhaps protesting would be more kosher?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:50 am

Mick
February 23rd, 2011
10:47 am

I don’t know about ALL teachers, but this one would surely qualify.

Report: Teacher made kids beat student
Teacher is still employed at the school

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
10:50 am

Pea

My point exactly. You automatically jump to the conclusion that they are all playing hookey. They could be morning shift people who have the afternoon free. Or they could be overnight shift people too. They could be off work for the day, or they could even be out on vacation. However, I guess it’s a lot easier to presume as opposed to actually think and disect the realm of possibilities.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
10:52 am

Dang! This is getting exciting. I might have to carry my rod down to Atlanta.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:52 am

Classic, just classic. I guess the teacher had the backing of the union.

Rolinda Dunmire rushed to pick up her son, Amos, from his class on Friday, Feb. 18, after his teacher called and said the boy was acting up. When she got to the school, her son was crying.

“[The teacher] approached me and said that my son had hit another kid and, to punish him, she had all the boys in the class beat him up,” said Dunmire.

Dunmire claims the teacher had eight other boys line up and start swinging.

Mora Independent School’s Superintendent Thomas Garcia said the district was aware that something happened and is doing a full investigation, but the teacher remains in the classroom.

Garcia said since there is no claim the teacher actually made physical contact with the boy, there is no reason to pull her out.

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February 23rd, 2011
10:52 am

Has any statement been made that would violate the law?

On the contrary, it appears as if they are bending over backwards to make sure the law is not violated on the “Washington (a slave owner by the way) St. side of the State Capitol.

If anyone violates the law I will be the first to condemn them.

By the way, it’s smart (if you have a permit) to carry anytime you go to downtown Atlanta.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
10:52 am

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
10:55 am

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”…..

Is that in any way similar to a doctor who amputated the right foot when it was supposed to be the left?

You want to lump ALL teachers with that case? C’mon, where’s the common sense? Not too common, I guess..

V

February 23rd, 2011
10:56 am

But if the Freepers were to shoot people, of course they will come out and say that “Oh no, those were liberal plants who shot at people.” Just like when James von Brunn, a poster at Free Republic, shot up the Holocaust Museum in D.C., followed by Jonah Goldberg coming out saying “this guy was a liberal”.

Freepers = all about personal responsibility until they’re caught red-handed.

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
10:56 am

the lefties are idiots who are very good at running their mouths… and also very good at keeping their distance from an armed American

I’d be quite happy to prove this thug wrong.

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by aterkel, Eric Boehlert, Sanho Tree and others. Sanho Tree said: WTF is up w/the guns RT @rosierifka: @tpmmedia A call goes out for armed counterprotesters at Atlanta labor rally today http://bit.ly/eCdGLW [...]

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
10:56 am

“Mora Independent School’s Superintendent Thomas Garcia said the district was aware that something happened and is doing a full investigation, but the teacher remains in the classroom.”

gosh. you mean someone is actually innocent until proven guilty???

what’ll they think of next.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
10:57 am

“My point exactly. You automatically jump to the conclusion that they are all playing hookey” – The ones that are fake sick notes, yes I am assuming they are playing hooky(protesting). Why else would they need face sick notes?

Joel Edge

February 23rd, 2011
10:57 am

They better watch their backs.
http://www.dotnews.com/2011/potential-us-senate-candidates-stir-union-rally
“Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

February 23rd, 2011
10:57 am

Mick
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 am

I wasn’t alluding to teachers being thugs. I just happened to read your post right after reading about the bum teacher in NM.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
10:58 am

LWM 10:56 – looks like you belong on the Thugbus. Have fun downtown and let us know how it goes.

carlosgvv

February 23rd, 2011
10:59 am

The Tea Party leaders, on orders from Big Business, want to return us to the good old days of 12 hour work days 6 days a week, no health insurance, no vacations, no sick leave and no paid holidays. So, it’s no supprise unions are their mortal enemies. Propaganda and lies will sway the mindless every time.

Joel Edge

February 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

Dang. Ya beat me to it.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

JAY !!!

Regarding our continuing debate on the meaning of the 10th Amendment, a Clinton appointee federal district court judge in Washington (a slave owner by the way) D.C. has ruled that Congress Can Regulate “MENTAL ACTIVITY (emphasis added)” Under Commerce Clause.

Now I submit to you the following:

1) She should never have been appointed.

2) That reasoning under a plain reading of the 10th Amendment is idiotic.

3) That reasoning if upheld would make the 10th Amendment null and void.

4) Making an Amendment null and void without further amending it or abolishing it is Constitutional treason.

Your thoughts ……………………..

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:01 am

Left wing management :

Well then get out there and be sure to wave at us !!!

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
11:01 am

so, just to clarify, saying “sometimes it’s necessary to water the tree of liberty with blood of patriots and tyrants” is good.

saying you need to go out on the streets and get a little bloody is EEEEEEEEbil.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
11:02 am

the federal judge in Washington is a slave owner?

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:02 am

I am so sick of unions. If any union has merit, maybe it is the SEIU helping out janitors, etc., but even then I think they do a disservice in the long run. And SEIU has their eyes set on much bigger “prizes” than just janitors and the like…..

2012….

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:03 am

Joel Edge

“They better watch their backs.

http://www.dotnews.com/2011/potential-us-senate-candidates-stir-union-rally

“Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,”

Joel:

Thanks so much for adding that. I heard it on the news this a.m.

JAY !!!

Why not a thread on the above ???????

A U.S. Congressman telling the Union thugs sometimes you have to get a little bloody ???

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:05 am

It’s really not necessary to keep pointing out that Washington owned slaves. What possible point could you be trying to make? You’re acting like someone is doing that stupid thing where they compare everyone to someone who lived 200 years ago and cannot possibly have anything to say about current times without having lived through them anyway.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:05 am

USinUK :

That phrase comes after the city of “Washington” not “judge”.

And yes Washington, D.C. is full of slaves to the federal government ………. not workers but slaves to government handouts.

Nice try.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:05 am

I have no idea why they let protesters into the state capitol (in WI). Seems they are being generous in WI. If I were running the show, I’d say: protest all you want (assuming you’re not skipping out on teaching your kids or performing other vital duties), but you can do so outside while we try to get some work done….

Bosch

February 23rd, 2011
11:05 am

Scout,

“Why not a thread on the above ???????

A U.S. Congressman telling the Union thugs sometimes you have to get a little bloody ???”

Blogger.com is ready when you are.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:07 am

Scout: Wisconsin is full of people who are slaves to the government, apparently, since there is some sort of problem with protesting against a bill that would reduce public worker’s rights. I mean jeez, what rights? They should just be HAPPY TO HAVE A JOB right?

Jay

February 23rd, 2011
11:07 am

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

And in Washington (who chopped down a cherry tree at some point in his life, btw)….

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

And in Washington (who had wooden teeth, btw)

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

USinUK:

By the way, would you like to debate the merits of her decision that “thoughts” are covered under the Commerce Clause to the Constitution?

Real Scooter

February 23rd, 2011
11:09 am

Dang,all this Lib & Con arguing back and forth and nobody has used the race card yet.I’m proud of y’all! :grin:

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:09 am

Adam:

You are correct on both accounts. Very good.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

Jay 11:07 – well I wouldn’t quite suggest using live ammo. But if the people don’t want to leave (they’re sleeping there for god’s sake), then I’d just start arresting them. If things got out of hand, then that would be an issue for all of them to deal with.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

Actually I was making a point. People shouldn’t ever chop down cherry trees and wooden teeth are just nasty. And anyone who supports a man who once did those things should be ashamed of themselves. (/sarcasm)

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February 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

Bosch:

While we’re here though, would you like to defend that Dem. Congressman’s remarks ?

Tychus Findlay

February 23rd, 2011
11:11 am

It never ceases to amaze me that people will protest their working conditions when it’s a buyer’s market for employers. It’s not like we’re seeing a labor shortage.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:11 am

jm: Arrest them for what?

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February 23rd, 2011
11:11 am

Jay:

Would you please comment on my 11:00 if you have the time.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:12 am

The ones that are fake sick notes, yes I am assuming they are playing hooky(protesting). Why else would they need face sick notes?

You’re jumping around so much, I think you’ve confused yourself. The protest here has not even happened yet, so how do you know anyone here has even asked for a fake sick note?

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:12 am

Adam – a mob can’t take over the state capitol. It is where the government’s / people’s “business”, such as it is, needs to get done. I have no doubt that they can arrest people if they ask them to leave and they refuse to do so.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
11:14 am

“Dang,all this Lib & Con arguing back and forth and nobody has used the race card yet.I’m proud of y’all!” – Ya but some ding dong used the sexism card earlier…still don’t know why.

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:14 am

Things are crazy and getting crazier.

I bet the cons are scared to death.

Power to the people around the world and here at home.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
11:15 am

“You’re jumping around so much, I think you’ve confused yourself. The protest here has not even happened yet, so how do you know anyone here has even asked for a fake sick note?” – I think your confusing yourself, son. I’ve been talking about the protests in Wisconsin. Not Atlanta.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:15 am

jm: The governor has sent officers to Democratic senator’s houses in order to attempt to force them back into the chamber. I have little doubt that if it were as simple as you’re describing to arrest the protesters, they would have done so already.

Tomjy Maddox

February 23rd, 2011
11:15 am

I apologize for not coming down to protest or counter-protest – I’m busy WORKING!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am

Tomjy: I work on Saturday too.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am

“Dang,all this Lib & Con arguing back and forth and nobody has used the race card yet.I’m proud of y’all!”

Paralepsis

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:17 am

getalife 11:14 – hardly…. the ballot box has been most effective and will be again in 2012.
Adam – I have no idea what WI laws are. But police tend to do as they please…. (for better or worse)

Ex-Partier

February 23rd, 2011
11:18 am

Better watch out, tea party folks know how to reload, fast! Faster than that Arizona shooter ever thought about being!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:18 am

I imagine they haven’t arrested them simply because why elevate an already stupid scene?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:18 am

But if the people don’t want to leave (they’re sleeping there for god’s sake), then I’d just start arresting them.

Under what charge? Or is violating someone’s 4th Amendment perfectly ok in that situation?

Del

February 23rd, 2011
11:19 am

Jay, you certainly have your alter-ego’s all stirred up over this one. Next start a rumor that right wing militias have plans to overrun the AJC offices and take all of you prisoner. They’ll be gasping then fainting and falling down on their computer keyboards.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

I think your confusing yourself, son. I’ve been talking about the protests in Wisconsin. Not Atlanta.

And others are discussing people bringing guns to a protest in Atlanta. Ok….

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

SoCo 11:18 – believe it or not, there are all kinds of laws on the books you’d never thought existed. I’m sure if the police ask them to leave, and they refuse, they can arrest them. I don’t much care one way or the other. If someone wants to go research WI law, have at it.

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

Lets keep in mind the folks around the world are willing to risk their lives to protest.

Our debate does not compare to those brave people.

Real Scooter

February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

Ya but some ding dong used the sexism card earlier…still don’t know why.

If you ever figure out where THAT shot came from Peadawg let me know!

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:21 am

jm: It could very well be that they don’t want to be seen as bad guys overtly. Though I’m sure if somehow a mental switch is flipped that somehow convinces the governor that he is just as right to arrest all the protesters as he is to bust unions regardless of concessions made, then they will do so without worrying about the consequences.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:23 am

Just FYI, I’d heard from a WI caller on Sam Seder’s show yesterday, that the State House really is regarded as the people’s house, and apparently anyone who wants to stay there is entitled to stay there, all night if they want.

(don’t know how accurate this is, but it’d explain a lot.)

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:23 am

I hope GKQaddaffffi (I think I covered my bases with those spellings) gets ejected from Libya. And if the (toothless) International Court doesn’t pick him up, I hope someone (Israelis?) finish him off for Lockerbie (and everything else).

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:23 am

dB: That is kind of what I thought.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am

Del:

Popping smoke !

StJ

February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am

“it’s smart (if you have a permit) to carry anytime you go to downtown Atlanta”

Or to avoid going to downtown Atlanta in the first place.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am

Adam – I’m not a fan of mobs. There’s a fine line between a protest and mob. And I wouldn’t be shocked if the WI protests were starting to cross the line.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am

Ya but some ding dong used the sexism card earlier…still don’t know why.

You haven’t figured out that women dominate the ranks of the teacher’s unions?

You think it’d be especially difficult to leverage misogyny amongst some men who otherwise might not feel they had a dog in this fight?

love,
Ding Dong

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am

believe it or not, there are all kinds of laws on the books you’d never thought existed.

Think about what I do for a living…. I probably know more of them than you do.. :)

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am

“Better watch out, tea party folks know how to reload, fast! Faster than that Arizona shooter ever thought about being!”

You don’t need a gun to protest unions coward.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am

StJ / Scout – downtown’s not that bad. I lived down there for 2 years. Yeah, you get accosted by panhandlers. But I never ran into anything actually troublesome when I lived down there.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am

“it’s smart (if you have a permit) to carry anytime you go to downtown Atlanta”

Or to avoid going to downtown Atlanta in the first place.

yep, best just stay away, TPers. You really don’t belong amongst Those People.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am

jm: I don’t think it’s crossed the line yet. And I don’t think it’s as close as you think it is. The only potential mob I see is a group taking this “call to arms” seriously in Wisconsin, not just in Atlanta.

BTW, as a pre-emptive nip in the bud, MOB RULE is not the same as DEMOCRACY.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

StJ :

Excellent point.

Del

February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

0311, it is popping smoke or blowing it where the sun never shines.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

“Better watch out, tea party folks know how to reload, fast! Faster than that Arizona shooter ever thought about being!”

fat lot of good lax CCW laws in AZ did the poor SOBs who were murdered.

Real Scooter

February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am

Dang Adam,Paralepsis? You are as bad as AmVet with them big words,now I gotta go googling. :smile:

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am

Downtown DOES stink (from the homeless defecating and urinating everywhere) and the panhandlers are a real nuisance to those just minding their business. The city would do well to actually try to fix the problem within the bounds of the law and reason.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am

jm:

You’re the exception that proves the rule.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am

I hope someone (Israelis?) finish him off for Lockerbie (and everything else).

It won’t be the Israelis. Here’s a bit of interesting info on that guy…

Seems Gaddafi’s grandmother, the mother of his mother, was Jewish, according to an account broadcast on Israeli TV news last year. Two Israeli women, who claimed to be his distant relatives, said his grandmother ran away from an abusive Jewish husband, married a Muslim sheik and converted.

But under Jewish religious law, Grandma and her daughter, who is Gaddafi’s mom, are still considered Jewish and therefore, as the monthly magazine Israel Today reports in its current issue, so is Gaddafi.

If the story they told is true, the weekly said, then “Gaddafi is entitled to immigrate to Israel as a Jew under Israel’s Law of Return. Even if every other country on earth refused him entry, Israel would be obligated by its own laws to take Gaddafi in.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206091_3.html

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am

Del:

HA ! Both !

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:29 am

jm:

That’s why it’s dying and businesses keep moving to Midtown or Buckhead.

Ex-Partier

February 23rd, 2011
11:29 am

“You don’t need a gun to protest unions coward.”

Just telling it like it is. Tea party folks love their guns, and they know how to shoot!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:30 am

SoCO 11:28 – that’s hilarious. But it would never, ever, happen. They’d arrest him on sight.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:30 am

jm:

During the late 60’s and early 70’s downtown Atlanta was a bustling, thriving, nice place to be.

Our office was in the Equitable Building and it was great.

No more ……………………

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:30 am

Gaddafi is entitled to immigrate to Israel as a Jew under Israel’s Law of Return

I’m not sure why, but that’s probably the funniest thing I will read all week.

(mind you, there’s nothing stopping the Israelis from prosecuting him for various crimes against humanity once he’s there.)

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:31 am

Scout 11:29 – yep. And the Central Perimeter (in the case of the AJC) – although I’m sure they had some other reasons too, Downtown conditions made the decision easy.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:31 am

Ex-Partier :

And so did the “Minutemen” thankfully ………………….

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:31 am

They’d arrest him on sight.

I owes you a Koch. Er, a Coke.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:32 am

dB

Funny wasn’t quite the word that came to mind when I first read that this morning. It was another “F” word, but the blog god won’t let me post that one unfiltered.

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:34 am

I have some friends in the IBEW so I know why they are scared to death.

They love guns too and are very large and strong men that look for fights.

Real Scooter

February 23rd, 2011
11:35 am

love,
Ding Dong

Thanks for clearing that up DB! LMAO

Del

February 23rd, 2011
11:35 am

SoCo, you might try the “F” word. The blog god seems to have become quite liberal these days.

Watch Out

February 23rd, 2011
11:37 am

The apocalypse is coming, the great clash is not far off.
I will have a front row seat.

….do you hear that….do you hear that….?

The galloping hooves of retribution, chasing down the weak, the freeloaders, the professional thieves popularly called “public servants”.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
11:38 am

Union Man

February 23rd, 2011
11:40 am

What makes one think Pro-union side doesn’t have RTC permits also?

Blog God

February 23rd, 2011
11:40 am

” The blog god seems to have become quite liberal these days.”

What’s that you say, Del?

Real Scooter

February 23rd, 2011
11:41 am

yep, best just stay away, TPers. You really don’t belong amongst Those People.

Now we have the race card played! Yee Haw

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:41 am

“Just telling it like it is. Tea party folks love their guns, and they know how to shoot!”

Well, if they shoot like palin, they will miss alot.

Most are old and would faint if somebody got in their face.

Old cons like to run their mouths but cower under their beds.

thomas

February 23rd, 2011
11:41 am

the people at Free Republic are idiots and that is insane to request members bring firearms to what is sure to be a volitile situation.

But for one to bring up them and completley ignore the signs and the request of the signs by supporters of the union protest makes one either look childish and dishonest in their examination of the situation, or it make sthem incredibly dumb and ignorant for not seeing the parrallels between the two.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/02/21/mika-makes-excuses-vile-wi-signs-till-she-sees-them

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/02/19/photo-gallery-what-big-labor-protesters-are-teaching-kids-language-warning/

Don’t all of you who attacked Free Republic jump at once to attackt he protestors as well. Those who called out how wrong the tea party was for these signs stand proud and have your voice heard!

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am

SoCo: Or is violating someone’s 4th Amendment perfectly ok in that situation?

Well, it’s also ok now in airports. So why not?

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am

“The Rent is Too Damn High!” guy should move into the Wisconsin capitol. Apparently its legal, and he’d save on rent.

harvey

February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am

Nothing like stirring up the pot a little bit. The SEIU is a bunch of thugs–the tactics they use are similar to those they used at the turn of the century. I would love to go and counter protest, but am afraid they would do me physical harm. I would be a lot more worried about those thugs than any non union person carrying a gun. And if the thugs did hurt me they would get away with it. They sure battered a guy badly in St. Louis because he counter protested.

RS

February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am

Did someone say Koch. It looks like Walker got his latest fix.

Simply verifies that the John Birch wing of the GOP is in a major power play to crush the middle class and establish a corporate oligarchy. The only weapon the middle class has is the strength of the unions.

Welcome to the Corporate States of America.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:44 am

thomas

I don’t even need to look at your links to call dumb for what it is. There are those, on both sides of the political spectrum, that take a little too much liberty with their right to free speech. I believe in allowing people to express their free speech, but have no problem with calling jackassery for what it is.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

Dear Jay, I’ve noticed that your posts on Wisconsin and related carry almost no personal perspective, and that strikes me (pardon the labor pun) as uncharacteristic. You re-post lurid stuff written by others, but add nothing of your own. (And I am not criticizing you for quoting others – that is entirely reasonable as a basis of essay.) But normally – in fact, almost always – we get some of the Bookman perspective on the topic of the day.

Curious minds want to know: Are you in Solidarność with the Wisconsin government employees, or are you with the Wisconsin taxpayers, or is this one of those “a pox on both their houses”?

Truly

February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

It’s amazing how fast Walker opens his mouth when a Koch is around.

Be the adult in the room

February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

So the “non-thugs” use verbiage like “We’ll be providing balance to the ravings of the passengers aboard the SEIU Thugbus, which is scheduled to vomit forth its stooges at that same place and time.”, and are coming with their guns, while the supposed “thugs” are coming to peacefully stand up for working families, employees, and labor rights. Those fooled by this hypocritical nonsense are playing right into the manipulation.

Real Scooter

February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

What makes one think Pro-union side doesn’t have RTC permits also?

I hope that question was for Jay. He’s the one that seems to think only right-wingers have RTC permits.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

Ragnar: You re-post lurid stuff written by others, but add nothing of your own.

Is it really needed?

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am

TaxPayer.. very interesting.

RW-(the original)

February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am

Poll: If the protests do get bloody, regardless of who fired the first shot or started the first fight, who will be blamed? Unions or government?

Sarah Palin, silly.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anybody going to the dueling Rent-a-Mob show? Be sure and bring a camera so you can tell the side of the story our local “media” leaves out.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am

The “rule of law” ended a good 30 or 40 years ago in this country…. maybe earlier.

I recently had a conversation with someone working on federal murder cases downtown. Murders are walking (scott free) because our defunct, overloaded, archane trial system couldn’t process them within 10 years and eventually the judge said (after 10 frickin years) that the whole right to a “swift” trial by jury period was over.

WTF. Depressing. We’re not spending money on our courts, justice, and keeping an eye on governmental powers because we’re too busy showering money on retirees and overpaid government workers. Mind blowing.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am

Well, it’s also ok now in airports. So why not?

The 4th is not being violated. Purchasing a ticket and starting the screening process is implied consent to search. If you do not wish to subject yourself to that search, you do not have to fly.

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:47 am

I want to see these brave cons take on the police and firefighter unions.

They do not have the guts.

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2011
11:48 am

I still want to know if the libs will call for Obama to peacefully resign if we assemble 1MM people in Washington demanding he resign like they are elsewhere in the world.

And isn’t the attitude of these union public employees just so full of concern for their fellow citizens who happen to be paying their entire salaries? They basically don’t give a crap the rest of us are unemployed, underemployed, have had our incomes cut by X%, being foreclosed on, whatever, just don’t ask us to have any share whatsoever in this economy collapse the rest of you are experiencing. I guess they aren’t willing to give “a few thousand more” like Jay is, eh?

thomas

February 23rd, 2011
11:49 am

You really should look the first one is funny how fast the reporter tries to walk away from statements like u know earlier in the same taping. Its classic!

Glad you see both sides though.

How many on here do not?

Look how many have blasted the people at free Republic, yet crickets on the protesters.

Hell the head of the blog, Mr. Bookman himself has been rather quite on it. Then goes after free republic, but silence on the actions and signs of those protesting?

The ability of people to turn their blinders on depending upon political affiliation is remarkable to me. Sometimes sickening but usually just depressing, that people are either that willingfully blind or that stupid.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:50 am

What makes one think Pro-union side doesn’t have RTC permits also?

sssh. I want the TPers to think they’re the only ones who’ve ever worked those bang-shootie things.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:51 am

Murders are walking (scott free) because our defunct, overloaded, archane trial system couldn’t process them within 10 years and eventually the judge said (after 10 frickin years) that the whole right to a “swift” trial by jury period was over.

It’s not always about money bro. Do a google search and look at the number of vacant seats in federal courts. The whole process is broken. We’re using a system set up in the early 20th century for a country with a vastly expanded population and caseload. Money alone will not fix the system. There needs to be a top to bottom review for the entire process.

RW

I’d love to be there as a uninvolved bystander. However, other duties will keep me away.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:51 am

if we assemble 1MM people in Washington

I think your side has already proven itself incapable of managing even that.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:51 am

SoCo: Purchasing a ticket and starting the screening process is implied consent to search.

No. With that logic you could just say that any search is reasonable. The Fourth says UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. The body scanner and enhanced pat downs when you refuse is unreasonable. There are other, better ways to prevent terrorism.

Also, by your logic one could easily say “if you don’t like ____ don’t do/live in _____” as an excuse to do whatever they want. For example, if I don’t like the government taking taxes from me, then I have a choice to not have a job. Makes sense right? No, it doesn’t.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
11:52 am

By the way, an extra dog biscuit for you righties who have managed to uncover a few WI protesters who’ve said not-nice things. Very good!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:53 am

SoCo 11:51 – I’m sure its not just about the $. I don’t know what the problem is. But I find it absurd that this is going on. Our country is becoming second rate.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
11:55 am

“I think your side has already proven itself incapable of managing even that.”

And it isn’t neccessary. We have a Constitutionally mandated system for getting rid of the President, should we need to

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
11:56 am

Lots of whining on this blog is all you will get from the cons.

They act tough taking on the teachers but that is the full extent of their bravery.

Jay

February 23rd, 2011
11:57 am

Ragnar, I posted earlier in comments that I don’t think collective bargaining and in particular the right to strike are good ideas for public employees. Through politics, they already have an influence over their bosses that those in private industry do not. For example, that explains how Georgia’s nonunion teachers have a higher average pay than the union teachers in Wisconsin.

That said, I’m also opposed to the cheap union-busting tactics being employed in Wisconsin and elsewhere and see it as part of an ongoing and destructive shift of power away from working Americans.

Oh, and blaming unions for state deficits is absurd.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
11:57 am

“It’s not always about money bro. Do a google search and look at the number of vacant seats in federal courts.”

and WHY are those seats empty???

ask the Party of NO

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:57 am

Jay, regarding the “union busting” (or reform to collective bargaining rules, as I would call it), the reason Walker wants to do this is because it TOOK THE BIGGEST RECESSION IN US HISTORY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION to (possibly) get concessions out of the PEU’s. As soon as its over, they want all their “rights” (read, leverage tools for manipulating government) still in place so they can re-instate their overly generous compensation.

The PEU’s must be shut down for the good of the country. At minimum, they don’t need the upper hand in negotiations with their employer (the government, the taxpayers, and the people).

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
11:58 am

“You haven’t figured out that women dominate the ranks of the teacher’s unions?

You think it’d be especially difficult to leverage misogyny amongst some men who otherwise might not feel they had a dog in this fight?”

You’re reaching with that one. That’s as dumb as calling someone racist for disagreeing with Obama.

Misty Fyed

February 23rd, 2011
11:58 am

Doggone
But getting rid of a sitting US president would adversely affect interstate commerce giving the Congress the right to pretty much do whatever it wants…Because the commerce clause seems to trump all else.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
11:58 am

1MM = .3% of the US population (based on a 300MM population figure) That would hardly be representative of the entire population.

They basically don’t give a crap the rest of us are unemployed, underemployed, have had our incomes cut by X%, being foreclosed on, whatever, just don’t ask us to have any share whatsoever in this economy collapse the rest of you are experiencing. I guess they aren’t willing to give “a few thousand more” like Jay is, eh?

Can’t speak for everyone, but this public employee has adopted a family for Christmas and supplied toys and food for several years. I’ve also donated to charities by paycheck deduction, which is ironic because nobody wants to stop that deduction, but they want to stop the union dues deduction. This public employee has also donated to corporations in the form of my 401k. I’ve shopped local businesses to help small business people as opposed to filling Wal Mart’s coffers. What else do you want me to do? Want me to come and shine your shoes or cut your grass?

thomas

Dang it…. With that description, now I gotta go take a look. :)

jm

February 23rd, 2011
11:59 am

“Oh, and blaming unions for state deficits is absurd.” Not if you’re talking about CA.

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm

jm,

Do you live in Cali or follow their politics or just read some rw blog or fox (gop state tv)?

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm

“I posted earlier in comments that I don’t think collective bargaining and in particular the right to strike are good ideas for public employees”

And for ME, what is happening in WI points to the REAL need to HAVE them.

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

Ragnar – by the way, all those workers are taxpayers too…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

No. With that logic you could just say that any search is reasonable. The Fourth says UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. The body scanner and enhanced pat downs when you refuse is unreasonable. There are other, better ways to prevent terrorism.

Not any search is reasonable. You have to provide articulable facts. Trust me on this as a big part of my academics in the academy was on the 4th. You should take time out to study technology we use for screening and compare that to the technology of available weaponry. There probably are other and better ways to prevent attacks. However, the question will still be whether it’s reasonable or not? What may be reasonable to one person might not be reasonable to someone else.

For example, if I don’t like the government taking taxes from me, then I have a choice to not have a job. Makes sense right? No, it doesn’t.

Actually, it does. You can’t excape all taxes, but you could decide to retire and live off the land. The government would get on property taxes, but if you’re hunting and fishing on your own private property and growing your own vegetables, there’s not much they could do to take taxes from you.

retired early

February 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

Who wins if the unions disappear…Corporations
Who looses…..working class Americans.
Who are the Tea Party trying to protect by union busting….Corporations…hum…so, this is a “grass roots” push to help out…Corporations.
That is the net effect of their movement whether they know it or not.
As George Soros pointed out…they have been fed a steady diet of lies and false information convincing them that what they do is patriotic…when in reality…they are eating their own flesh.
Thanks to ‘talk radio’ , they have become Corporate puppets…and the sad thing is…they are too stupid to know it.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:05 pm

but … but … but … I thought it was the illegal immigrants that caused CA’s fiscal demise!

I wish you guys would figure out a story and stick with it

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm

Inherent in the statement by the rightist man of action: “the lefties are idiots who are very good at running their mouths… and also very good at keeping their distance from an armed American”

shows a fundamental misunderstanding of leftist bravery and a commitment to action.

Didn’t the great leftist Bertolt Brecht say “we must be beasts in such a way that the Fascists fear for their domination” ? This is an aspect of militant leftism that is poorly understand in America in the age of Limbaugh.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm

“And for ME, what is happening in WI points to the REAL need to HAVE them.” – And what is that need exactly? The need to cause a disruption like this? Oh yes please more unions!!! We need more role models like the teachers and whatnot skipping out on their jobs and costing taxpayers millions!!! If the teacher can et fake sick notes, why can’t students?

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:08 pm

getalife 12:01 – I just get to read plenty of news articles about their labor cost problems. More like BusinessWeek, Bloomberg, blah blah blah.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:08 pm

SoCo: Yeah, that makes sense. If I don’t like taxes I can just live off the land… except for the taxes on the land. Also, if I don’t like not having health care I can either choose to pay into a corrupt system, or I have a choice to simply die. Or, if I don’t like the way my employer is treating me, I can just quit and not have any income (Let’s face it, getting another job is nigh impossible these days). Makes perfect sense.

A lot of these are false choices. There is no reason, NO REASON to not try to make things better for yourself, your children, and so on.

Jay

February 23rd, 2011
12:10 pm

jm, from the Economic Policy Institute:

“However, the data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. This compensation disadvantage is smaller but still significant when hours worked are factored in. Full-time public employees work fewer annual hours, particularly employees with bachelor’s, master’s, and professional degrees (because many are teachers or university professors).
When comparisons are made controlling for the difference in annual hours worked, full-time state and local government employees are undercompensated by 4.8%, compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.

These compensation comparisons account for important factors that affect earnings, the most important of which is the educational levels of public employees. When comparing public and private sector pay it is essential to consider the much higher levels of education required by occupations in the public sector. As a consequence of these requirements, Wisconsin public sector workers are on average more highly educated than private sector workers; 59% of full-time Wisconsin public sector workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared
with 30% of full-time private sector workers. Wisconsin state and local governments pay college-educated employees 25% less in annual compensation, on average, than private employers. The compensation differential is greatest for professional employees, lawyers, and doctors. On the other hand, the public sector appears to set a floor on compensation, which benefits less-educated workers. The 1% of state and local government workers without high school diplomas earn more than comparably educated workers in the private sector.”

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/6759/

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:11 pm

Peadawg: The need to cause a disruption like this?

So what, you want uniform conformity? Would you like to enforce that? Who will help you enforce it?

THAT btw, is a good example of what fascism ACTUALLY is. Stop the disruptions, etc.

jt

February 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm

Decriminilizing marijuana would go a loooooooong way in diffusing these up-tight times. I guess that makes too much sense. No way for Big Pharma to get their slice, too many people scared of the weed, and too many people grasping at pathetic attempts to feel superior to others. (public school products).

To this day, people love FDR …NOT for big government actions(disasters) but for his decriminilizing boooze.(Puritan Americans will never admit this though).

Anyhow, I’m heading downtown………….do alittle diffusing. I’m only packing the weapon of love.
And I will spread it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArLCStQBJ7s

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm

0311/0317 – 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

JAY !!!

Regarding our continuing debate on the meaning of the 10th Amendment, a Clinton appointee federal district court judge in Washington, D.C. has ruled that Congress Can Regulate “MENTAL ACTIVITY (emphasis added)” Under Commerce Clause.

Now I submit to you the following:

1) She should never have been appointed.
2) That reasoning under a plain reading of the 10th Amendment is idiotic.
3) That reasoning if upheld would make the 10th Amendment null and void.
4) Making an Amendment null and void without further amending it or abolishing it by another Amendment is Constitutional treason.

Your thoughts ……………………..

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:15 pm

That’s as dumb as calling someone racist for disagreeing with Obama.

yes, that would be a dumb thing to do, if that were the only sort of criticism being expressed–that of policy disagreement with the Administration.

However, when someone becomes utterly irrational (I’m thinking the type of Birtherism on display by some in here), then it’s fair to imagine that maybe racism is playing a role.

And given the utter lack of logical thought coming from working class/mid-level professional sorts who post here, screaming and fuming about those public sector unions ruining the country, I have to think something beyond mere policy disagreement if fueling it.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:15 pm

argh. “IS fueling is…”

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm

awfook. Y’all know what I meant…

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm

“I think your side has already proven itself incapable of managing even that” You’re right, they’re usually at work.

SC, all those things are nice, but none of them address what the public is facing. Take 10-20% out of your salary and then watch your property taxes go up to maintain “essential services” like the rest of us and then come back and tell us what great person you are.

Short of these types of cuts, public sector employees are not participating in this recession with the people who pay their salaries.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm

jay – everyone knows that economists are nuttin but pot-smokin-pinko-hippie-commie-symps … or something like that ..

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:17 pm

Jay 12:10 – does that account for benefits? (the hidden cost area where most labor benefits are hidden)

Second, the Federal Government says the same thing. AND YET, while this is anecdotal, I know someone leaving the EPA getting paid over $80k per year (they got tired of DC). The best private sector alternative they could find was HALF that ($40k per year).

Comparing public and private sector job comps works for some jobs, but not others because certain public jobs don’t exist in the private sector. These studies, based on my personal experience and additional digging, tend to be bunk, but I’ll accept pre-emptively that they carry more weight, dubious as they are, than my anecdotes.

Normal

February 23rd, 2011
12:17 pm

Both sides of any debate have the absolute right to assemble and try to out rude each other in this great country of ours, God bless us.

But, from listening to others and doing a little research myself, I join others in thinking that this is a covert action of the GOP to do away with the one “big money” base that the Democrats have left, and that is Unions.
Now that the Supreme Court gave Corporations life (wish they could have added souls), you can add relatively uncontrolled amounts of campaign money to the GOP coffers with the money from the likes of the Koch Brothers and others. It seems to me a logical outcome that if the GOP can outspend the Democrats every election, they have an unfair advantage and we will lose our working and personal freedoms forever. Is this really what we want? I know I don’t. I’m not a Unionist. I haven’t been in a Union for over 40 years, but I stand with them now because I believe the alternative is to dreadful to bear.

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm

The very posing of the question “are public workers overpaid” is the utmost of obscenity given that the top 13 hedge fund managers last year posted earnings of $1 billion and up.

The entire question is an obscene diversion.

RW-(the original)

February 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm

stands,

Gotta run, but you don’t seem to be having much luck with your quest to label isms and ists today. Just maybe you might want to consider the possibility of honest disagreement.

Later

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

LWM – well, everyone knows that teachers all have secret summer homes in St Barts … overpaid strumpets that they are …

:roll:

Jimmy62

February 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

Apparently a gay black Tea Party dude was harnessed by SEIU thugs yesterday. http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/horrible-gay-black-tea-partyer-accosted-by-racist-seiu-activists-at-denver-tea-party/

And it’s not the first time union thugs have harassed, and even gotten violent (see Kenneth Gladney). So if people who have taken the legal steps required to carry a gun want to exercise their rights in the face of violent protesters, it’s not for you or me to tell them how to defend themselves.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

Oh lord jesus Jay. Did you look at the EPI board??????????????????????????

http://www.epi.org/pages/board/

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm

peadawg

I think you need to jet into madison wisconsin and investigate how many teachers are calling in sick. The sick out was last week, I guess you’ve never taken a day or two for your own benefit – that is your right….

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm

That unionization – education quality research I found may have been biased. But the EPI is just the SEIU and the other unions. That study was bunk, and I hope you admit it.

buck@gon

February 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm

Let us all not forget that it was government employees and unions all over Europe (particularly Greece) that set that continent a-smoldering recently. To be clear, we must remember that if Republicans always seem to attract blame for government shutdowns, that it is the mono-polar Democrat union guys who are shutting down Wisconsin schools and Wisconsin legislatures–and of course, this may spread. Please also remember that over the past year, it has been lefty conspiracy theorists like Washington-Man-Jay (WMJ or PNAC-boy, for short) who have decried the tea-party as everything but the peaceful grass-roots organization that it is. In FACT, it was no less than members of the congressional black caucus that accused the TP of famously yelling racial epithets at them as they strutted across the capital to vote on O-care, despite the fact that hundreds of video cameras and dozens of reporters found no such thing.

Note this well: in WMJ-world, and in CC (Civil Cynthia) world, the issue isn’t EVER about civility, peace and it is rarely about real issues. Whatever the unions do today, whatever goonish behavior they engage in will be summarily overlooked, as it was in the last election (black panthers, not union-guys in PA; and union guys busting up a Republican office in VA). The usual nothing-to-see-here song is quickly sung and dismissed in newsrooms and editorial offices. If the roles are reversed and something happens that can be plausibly hung as blame on members of the political right, then we have news material worthy of a national debate, including preening sanctimony from WMJ, CC and POTUS (even though these things are state matters).

Here in this deranged forum, the issue is always about what it can be said that the Right is doing. The other side of this coin is that the issue is NOT about the left. Thus, all your supposedly “rational” arguments, WMJ & CC, are sitting on the shelf. You look and sound like a parrot that can do little but squawk and bite back.

Jay

February 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm

Somebody called and got through to WI Gov. Scott Walker, claiming to be David Koch.

The call was taped.

http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/23/did-scott-walker-reveal-his-crisis-ending-ruse-to-a-prank-caller.aspx

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm

Jimmy62

February 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm

I’m all for private sector unions, where they are negotiating against actual stakeholders. Public unions negotiate with politicians who have no stake in the game since they will be out of office before ridiculous pension plans start causing economic problems. The taxpayer is the stakeholder/employer, and gets no input when public sector unions form. Thus, until the taxpayers get to decide what to pay public employees, public sector unions should be illegal.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm

dB: You mean the birthers and the people who think he’s a Muslim might be racist? Say it ain’t so! Surely they believe he is not born in this country because they simply disagree with his policies!

retired early

February 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm

So, “patriotism”, is now synonymous with “union busting”…for Tea Partiers. What country is this…
Pre WWII Germany…

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm

” then it’s fair to imagine that maybe racism is playing a role…….I have to think something beyond mere policy disagreement if fueling it.” – You have a wilder imagination than most kids.

“I guess you’ve never taken a day or two for your own benefit” – Yes I have but I’m start enough to not get caught.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm

retired early: Complete with a Corporate run right wing news organization dedicated to propaganda and conspiracy theories against the people they disagree with.

buck@gon

February 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm

The other issue is, how many RTC license holders have ever comitted indiscriminate violence on someone, including a police officer? The number is so low that it would only harm WMJ’s argument in mentioning it. It’s sort of the reverse of saying, “oh, the Palestinians don’t want to harm us Americans.”

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm

Jay, what do the WI public employee salaries look like compared to the private sector after you take out the private sector employee’s contribution to their healthcare and their 401K plan?

How many of the private sector employees can retire after X years of service with X% of their salary for life? Very few.

Would it kill you to present the whole story on an issue just once? You know, the way a “journalist” should?

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm

Peadawg: That’s right, if I don’t think Obama is born in this country, that is surely because I only very simply disagree with his policies. It has nothing to do with how he looks, rumors, or anything…

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm

“Let us all not forget that it was government employees and unions all over Europe (particularly Greece) that set that continent a-smoldering recently.”

omfg.

Europe is unionized, yes, but THAT isn’t the root of their problems – particularly Greece’s. Criminey, if unions were at fault, then Germany and France would be on their knees, as well …

try again.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm

RB: That’s a failure of the private sector. Guess they don’t do everything better after all.

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:29 pm

Damn rb, if the public sector has it so good, why didn’t you go for one of their jobs versus your corporate master?

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:30 pm

You have a wilder imagination than most kids.

give me a break, PD. You’re telling me the Birther trash here, the ones who are always going on about how (at best) Obama can’t really prove he was born in Hawaii, aren’t the LEAST bit motivated by racism? You can’t even acknowledge that it might play a role among those disturbed folks?

Note that I’m not claiming it’s the primary motivator, just as I’m not claiming that sexism is at the forefront of the anger directed at teacher’s unions. But it’s hard for me to imagine it’s not playing some role.

(as, by the way, I’ll freely admit that some of the stupid, harsher stuff I’ve seen directed at Sarah Palin is likely sexist in nature.)

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
12:31 pm

“getalife 12:01 – I just get to read plenty of news articles about their labor cost problems. More like BusinessWeek, Bloomberg, blah blah blah.”

In other words, you do not have a clue.

Neither do I.

I remember working there when Ahnold was first elected and asked some locals.

Most were enthusiastic about the change.

In the end, there was no change.

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
12:32 pm

USinUK: “everyone knows that teachers all have secret summer homes in St Barts … overpaid strumpets that they are …”

Well, just yesterday Wingfield here on AJC, and also the supposedly sane GOP presidential candidate Mitch Daniels on NPR’s Diane Rehm, made the claim that these public sector unions are part of a runaway “elite” that needs to be reined in.

The sheer outrageous gall, the utter obscenity of this claim would have Orwell turning in the ground like so many rotisserie chickens for god’s sake. Yet this is our discourse. And it goes unchallenged by an opposition party led by a president who thinks conflict unbecoming of politics (a misunderstanding not much less obscene).

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:32 pm

EPI Board

Barry BluestoneBarry Bluestone
Thomas BuffenbargerR. Thomas Buffenbarger
International Association of Machinists & Allied Workers (IAMAW)
Anna Burger
Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and Change-to-Win
Anna Burger is both a top ranking officer at SEIU, the nation’s largest and fastest growing union, and chair of the Change-to-Win Labor federation.
Larry Cohen
Communications Workers of America (CWA)
Ernesto J. Cortes, Jr.
Ernesto Cortes, Jr.Industrial Areas Foundation
Jeff FauxJeff Faux
Senior Fellow, Economic Policy Institute

Leo GerardLeo W. Gerard
United Steelworkers of America (USWA)
Ron GettelfingerRon Gettelfinger
United Auto Workers (UAW)

Teresa GhilarducciTeresa Ghilarducci
The New School for Social Research She received her Ph.D. in Economics at the University of California at Berkeley. (EPI publications by Teresa Ghilarducci.)

Alexis HermanAlexis Herman
New Ventures
Robert JohnsonRobert Johnson

Robert KuttnerRobert Kuttner
The American Prospect

Donna LenhoffDonna R. Lenhoff
National Employment Lawyers Assoc.
Donna R. Lenhoff, Esq. is the first full-time Legislative & Public Policy Director of the National Employment Lawyers Association (NELA) in Washington, D.C. She represents NELA before Congress and administrative agencies to advance NELA’s Working for Change agenda.
Julianne MalveauxJulianne Malveaux
Bennett College
She is an outspoken activist for issues surrounding race, culture, gender, and their economic impacts.
Ray MarshallRay Marshall
University of Texas, Austin

Gerald McEnteeGerald W. McEntee
American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)

Lawrence MishelLawrence Mishel
President, Economic Policy Institute

Debra NessDebra Ness
National Partnership for Women and Families

Pedro NogueraPedro Noguera
New York University

Jules O. PaganoJules Pagano
American Income Life

Manuel Pastor
University of Southern California

Bernard RapoportBernard Rapoport
Bernard & Audre Rapoport Foundation

Bruce S. RaynorBruce Raynor
Workers United
Mr. Raynor is President of Workers United. Prior to this post, he served as General President of UNITE HERE. He is known for working on numerous southern organizing drives, including the successful J.P. Stevens organizing campaign in the late 1970s and for combining aggressive rank and file organizing and alliances with civil rights and community leaders to build worker power.

Robert ReichRobert B. Reich
University of California, Berkeley
Linda SanchezRep. Linda T. Sánchez
U.S. House of Representatives
Rep. Linda Sánchez, a Democrat, has represented California’s 39th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives since 2003. She earned her undergraduate degree at the University of California, Berkeley and in 1995, her Juris Doctor degree at the University of California, Los Angeles. She was an attorney specializing in labor law prior to her public service career.

Andrew SternAndrew L. Stern
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)

Richard TrumkaRichard L. Trumka
AFL-CIO
Mr. Trumka was elected President of the AFL-CIO in September 2009. H

Randi Weingarten
Randi WeingartenAmerican Federation of Teachers
Randi Weingarten is president of the 1.4-million-member American Federation of Teachers, AFL-CIO, which represents teachers; paraprofessionals and school-related personnel; higher education faculty and staff; nurses and other healthcare professionals; local, state and federal employees; and early childhood educators. She was elected in July 2008, following 11 years of service as an AFT vice president.

Raul Yzaguirre
Raul YzaguirreArizona State University

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:34 pm

Labor unions are just engaged in legal thievery.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:34 pm

How many of the private sector employees can retire after X years of service with X% of their salary for life?

like I was saying awhile back–it’s mostly what one might think of as “job security envy,” at this point.

How DARE those public sector employees take a deal wherein they exchange lower-than-private-sector salaries for a somewhat more secure future via a modest pension? the BAST@RDS!!!

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm

After the sc activism of the citizen united travesty, corporate and unions can give unlimited donations.

Take out the unions and you have complete corporate power.

It is not rocket science people.

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm

“if the public sector has it so good, why didn’t you go for one of their jobs versus your corporate master?” The thought has crossed my mind, but I think I’d run out in traffic after dealing with the complete idiots who work in most of those jobs. Which is the other part of the equation Jay didn’t address. Some of these people may have equal years of experience and perhaps the same degree, but I doubt they’re anywhere close in work ethic.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm

I’m going to get a sammy. I look forward to reading more completely biased and bunk research studies from the far left wing when I get back….

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

LWM – “made the claim that these public sector unions are part of a runaway “elite” that needs to be reined in”

our poor teachers – they’re vilified everywhichway they turn. I don’t know how they put up with it day after day.

not to mention, they have to put up with kids …

as far as “elite” … well … as Inigo Montoya would say, “I do not think that word means what you think it means” …

it’s come to mean “anyone we don’t like”

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

jm

Please stop the self flagellation and venom toward public workers…you’re better than that..

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

jm: Labor unions are just engaged in legal thievery.

No silly, you’re thinking of CORPORATIONS, not labor unions.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm

“Some of these people may have equal years of experience and perhaps the same degree, but I doubt they’re anywhere close in work ethic.”

which you know from your EXTENSIVE experience, I’m sure.

jt

February 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm

Before I go downtown to show solidarity with my individual sovereignty,

remember this………………….The federal government HAS no money…..it gets it from the citizens of each state……………states that are presently inturmoil…………Regardless, the federales still manage to spend 500 MILLION DOLLARS each year on military BANDS.

500 MILLION DOLLARS on MILITARY BANDS ALONE.
And you Public Sector Union Apologists never miss a chance to strengthen this same entity.

Weird or Phycotic?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/06/AR2010090603018.html?sid=ST2010090603042

500 million?

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm

RB: Work ethic is really bad in the private sector too. Maybe we should abolish the private sector!

Depressed Opressors

February 23rd, 2011
12:39 pm

Uh oh. Guns! Guns! Liberals wet themselves.

Meanwhile you have a Democrat liberal saying it’s time to get in the street and get bloody. And you people have the gall to call the Tea Party people violent? As Woody Harrelson’s character said in Zombieland, “it’s time to nut up or shut up.”

“”I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going,” Capuano said, according to the Dorchester Reporter. “Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary.”

Isn’t that special. Anyone else also thoroughly enjoying the SEIU mouth breathers (the same ones that attack Black Tea Party members) shout down Fox News reporters screaming “Fox Lies! Fox Lies! Fox Lies!” This is beautiful to watch. Let’s see how the liberals will take it to the next level. When will the first physical confrontation go viral on Youtube?

The kook fringe liberal left is going crazy. Now some moonbat judge has ruled that THOUGHT can be regulated by government. Anyone seen Minority Report? Forget arms. Let’s just have states start seceding from the Union. Why not? You have elected representative Democrat liberals running and hiding from legislation. And where is our president in all these crises around the nation and globe? Golfing? Or did the teleprompter funding get cut that quickly?

Change we can’t believe.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm

I have but one question

Since when did TEACHERS become the overpaid public employees that have it SO GOOD that they need to be cut down?

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:41 pm

rb

So please tell me that there aren’t any workers you deem complete idiots where you work now? Of course there are, usually some kind of nepotism or best friends of the boss. It’s a drag..

Depressed Opressors

February 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm

“No silly, you’re thinking of CORPORATIONS, not labor unions.”

Adam: you tell us what corporation FORCES an employee to pay into something it doesn’t want to benefit the corporation? In other words, you tell me how a corporation does what union thuggery does to it’s members – FORCE THEM to pay, many of whom want no part of a union but have no choice due to their job.

Unions are the choke chain of America. It’s long past time to cut that chain the hell off.

Carol

February 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm

Carrying guns to a rally only shows that these nuts are looking for violence. These union protesters are not gun totting idiots. There are children and women demonstrating their right to peaceful protest. The protesters who are initiating violence should be arrested. It is the right of the union protesters to protest if they feel this bill is not right and they should not be threatened by these gun totting bullies.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm

Well, those public sector employees get what they deserve for trusting a Republican in the first place. Next time they’ll know better and they’ll demand cash in advance for salary, healthcare, vacation and sick leave and retirement benefits for each hour of work. That’s about all the trust that a Republican deserves.

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm

He got punked by a fake caller and exposed his tactic.

Too funny.

He should resign.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
12:44 pm

“Since when did TEACHERS become the overpaid public employees that have it SO GOOD that they need to be cut down?”

Wellll…in WI anyway, since they didn’t endorse Walker’s campaign to be Gov

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
12:44 pm

Adam…Luckovichs cartoon today provides the real answer…

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:45 pm

And where is our president in all these crises around the nation and globe? Golfing? Or did the teleprompter funding get cut that quickly?

See, Peadawg, for the record, that’s not racist. It’s just eff-tarded.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
12:45 pm

SC, all those things are nice, but none of them address what the public is facing. Take 10-20% out of your salary and then watch your property taxes go up to maintain “essential services” like the rest of us and then come back and tell us what great person you are.

RB

Not that I have to divulge my personal business to you or anyone else here. Try this on for size. My wife’s job is on it’s way out of the door, leaving us down substantially in income. That means, the daycare (private sector and privately owned) that we use is losing money. Other businesses that we support by using their services are losing customers too. Don’t think that public workers are not feeling the effects of this economic downturn. Contrary to your opinion and that of others, we too are participating in and feeling the effects of this downturn.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:45 pm

Depressed Opressors : That’s a narrow argument. I, for one, support people NOT joining the union if they don’t want to. It is better to fix that one part of it rather than bust the union entirely. What ELSE are you afraid of. And you entirely missed the point of what I was trying to say.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm

Doggone: Indeed.

Keep up: Link please?

Nova

February 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm

“If you are within three hours drive of ATL, come join us.”

Nah, I want to be at least three hours away when that mess starts up.

The labor union supporters have a right to peacefully protest just like anyone else. Leave them alone to do their thing. Last thing the Tea Partiers need is for a bunch of gun toting heehaws to show up and reinforce the stereotype in many peoples’ minds. Unions don’t have many fans in Georgia so most folks probably won’t pay much attention to them anyway.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:48 pm

And where is our president in all these crises around the nation and globe? Golfing? Or did the teleprompter funding get cut that quickly?

Hahaha I see that again we have the double standard. If Obama says something he should have stayed out of it, but now that he’s not saying anything and doing his national job, he’s not doing enough for the one thing the 24/7 news cycle has decided to focus on. What a laugh.

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
12:48 pm

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

My wife’s job is on it’s way out of the door, leaving us down substantially in income.

Bro. Dang.

While that sucks, I guess you’ll adapt, and maybe Mrs. SoCo will take some comfort in being a full time SAHM for awhile.

(the decibels household took a vow of poverty awhile back, with the Mrs. working extremely light hours, i.e. making an extremely light financial contribution, in order to look after the kid. The world didn’t end, although sometimes I wonder what it’d be like to be as flush with cash as some of the duel-incomers I know…)

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

Keep up: hmm sounds like something I said a few blog entries back.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

adam 12:37 wrong

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm

sc@12:45

Excellent point, although I hope you and the miss southern comfort can bounce back, but yes any cut will affect the whole pie – not just one slice..

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

jm: That last snark is almost worthy of Dave R. Well done.

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

USinUK: Have a look at this. I hadn’t been following this real closely but apparently teachers have been under a relentless assault from multiple directions:

Why America’s teachers are enraged – Diane Ravitch

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-20/opinion/ravitch.teachers.blamed_1_bad-teachers-public-employee-unions-test-scores?_s=PM:OPINION

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

SoCo – sorry to hear about your wife’s job … that suuuuucks! good luck to your fam :-)

Normal

February 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

It sounds to me like this Democratic Senator is saying the same things Martin Luther King said. If you can be non-violent, be non-violent, but if you have to bleed for your cause, bleed proudly.

I don’t believe he is advocating violence, but is saying if violence comes, accept it. By not reacting to violence, you make the aggressor look bad. A good example of aggression gone wild? The Libyan Mad Colonel

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm

The two sides couldn’t be more different.

The people’s side includes nurses, truck drivers, steel workers, teachers, Green Bay Packers, students, construction workers and religious groups. The working people in this country who built this country.

The corporate wh0res side?

Beckerheads, Limburgers and fat, lazy, paper shuffling gun-toting cowards…

Carol

February 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm

BTW Atlanta already have the right to work law and have always been a red state. When I lived there I had to work 3 jobs just to have enough money to pay my rent. Its got so bad I had to move back up North so that I could find a decent job with benefits so I could live and raise my family.

States that keep voting Rep time and time again deserves what they have to offer which is no job security with low wages. I live in a blue state. Thank God and if it ever turns red and I lose my job I will be moving out. The union workers have many states standing up in support for the unions and the right to bargin for fair wages, compresation, job security, and fair labor practices.

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2011
12:54 pm

“So please tell me that there aren’t any workers you deem complete idiots where you work now? Of course there are, usually some kind of nepotism or best friends of the boss. It’s a drag..” Sure there are. They generally don’t stay long as we can’t afford to keep people who don’t produce.

SC, are you saying your wife is a public sector employee whose job is going away or are you saying you are a public sector employee and your wife is losing her job? That wasn’t clear.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
12:54 pm

“The labor union supporters have a right to peacefully protest just like anyone else. Leave them alone to do their thing”

As to the RTC people. As long as both sides demonstrate peacefully, there’s not need to do anything about it but MAKE SURE that any who step over that “peaceful” line learn that actions DO have consequences.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
12:55 pm

fat, lazy, paper shuffling gun-toting coward

we still talking about Newt?

anyways, gotta boogie. Later!

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:55 pm

LWM – this isn’t new – they’ve always gotten the hind end – from people who b*(*&% and moan that they get summers off to people who think they’re all babysitters for their brats to principals who would rather kowtow to asinine parents rather than back their teachers –

frankly, I’m surprised THEY’RE not the ones bringing guns into the schools …

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm

Adam…..yes, there are many too fear because it makes it much easier than trying to get to the real nuances for the answers.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm

adam 12:52 i’ll explain some other time eating requires brevity

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm

After the sc activism of the citizen united travesty, corporate and unions can give unlimited donations.

Take out the unions and you have complete corporate power.

It is not rocket science people.

You might be onto something……..

The fallout from the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission keeps coming.

The case loosened restrictions on corporations that do political campaigning with the proviso that they do it without working with candidates. But in a little-noticed document, three FEC commissioners have said they think corporations should be allowed to raise money directly for candidates.

As it is now, corporations are prohibited from helping candidates raise money. The furthest they can go is allowing a candidate to hold fundraisers on their property, and even then, the campaign must pay for the space in advance. But the three commissioners, all Republicans, said those prohibitions are “at best suspect” in light of Citizens United’s protection of free speech for corporations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/16/AR2011021606173.html

cosby smith

February 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm

Those that pay the bill are once again critized and demeaned by the media and the thugs at SEIU are made to look like choir boys…rediculus, totally riduclus..But thne typical of Jay and the AJC. When will they learn, the hard working people of the USA that pay the bills have had enough..

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm

They generally don’t stay long as we can’t afford to keep people who don’t produce.

Glad your company actually takes work ethic seriously. But make no mistake, your company is NOT the norm.

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm

nova@12:47

I like your style….

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm

“Those that pay the bill are once again critized and demeaned by the media and the thugs at SEIU are made to look like choir boys”

Union members are INCLUDED in “those that pay the bills” – they pay taxes and buy things just like everyone else.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm

cosby – “Those that pay the bill ”

are you under some kind of delusion that the SEIU workers don’t pay taxes???

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm

dammit, doggone, I owe you a coke

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm

jm: Well I’ll just say if it involves the whole forcing people to pay union dues and be in the union, I do not agree with that. That does not, however, mean that I support stopping collective bargaining rights.

Normal

February 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent and the proof is in the pudding. The RTC is the pudding.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm

USinUK: I BAN YOUR COKE!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm

Doggone 12:57 – brilliant. So if we can all work for the government, everything will be just hunkey dorey

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:01 pm

There’s plenty of reason NOT to work for the government. Not that I haven’t thought about being a teacher myself but frankly I want to make more money. And I don’t mind that I will also pay more taxes if that happens. I also avoided military service for reasons of not getting provided the education I was seeking and because I wanted to reserve my right to say “no” to my employer.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
1:02 pm

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
1:03 pm

First, they come for the unions.

Next they came for the cons.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
1:03 pm

jm – that’s no more honest than saying that SEIU members don’t “pay the bills” is.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm

“In a major reversal, the Obama administration has notified Congress that it will no longer defend the federal law that says marriage can exist only between a man and a woman.”

Ok. wait a sec. I guess I’m ok with changing this law. But what gives the executive branch the right to stop enforcing laws? I think I’m going to lose all my lunch.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm

USinUK 1:03 – on a net basis, you know Public Workers a net beneficiaries of tax revenue, and private tax payers are net donors. simple as that. The value added by government is not 0, but they are not net contributors. See USSR for reference.

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm

jm

So, if you were offered the same type of position in the public sector for less money but with a guranteed pension plan and paid sick days, you wouldn’t think about it? Remember, the key here is less pay, so if you’re getting paid 5k less a year, that would be 50k less a decade but you get a guaranteed pension or so you thought because in your 25th year they change the rules and all bets are off after making a cumulative 125k less, is that fair?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm

Dear Jay @ 11:57, thanks for confirmation. I thought I perceived ambivalence in your coverage, and your note – that your philosophy conflicts with your visceral reaction to current events – is a reasoned explanation. No sniping from me; although I land the other way, you may appreciate that my libertarian instincts also cause me some ambivalence on this one.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm

But what gives the executive branch the right to stop enforcing laws? I think I’m going to lose all my lunch.

It’s the executive branch. Just as the legislative branch can stop MAKING laws, and the judicial branch can refuse to hear cases, the executive branch can refuse to enforce laws.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm

“Ok. wait a sec. I guess I’m ok with changing this law. But what gives the executive branch the right to stop enforcing laws?”

Look up “signing statements” under the past administration

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm

Besides jm, the Obama administration is cutting overhead costs by not enforcing those laws! It’s deficit reduction!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm

Mick 1:06 -I would never go work for the government because of the compensation. I might (but not likely) consider doing so under the premise I’m helping try to fix the abundance of problems our cities, state, and country face. But I’d never do it for the money.

And luckily for government workers, they get paid more now, and they get paid OBSCENELY more later, assuming the government doesn’t default under the weight of the absurdly over generous retirement plans (which is a dubious assumption).

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm

jm – you seem to be completely ignoring the .. you know … WORK they do.

That has value.

and THAT is something that the “bill payers” are NOT doing.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm

USinUK: hear hear

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:10 pm

Adam 1:08 – that’s funny.

RE, public unions are engaged in legalized thievery. Businesses taking subsidies are engaged in legal thievery as well. But this does not include businesses receiving tax breaks per se, although I’m against those too.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:10 pm

It’s my day off and I’m going to use more of it to do something productive. I’ll return here when I’m at work (lol)

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

jm: good points. Really the answer is to address corruption, not complete busting.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

USinUK 1:09 – I didn’t say their work doesn’t have value. Obviously some of them are engaged in very valuable, government only can do this, kind of work. But not in aggregate. IN aggregate, the government tends to be a drag, not benevolent. The courts, policing, infrastructure (sometimes) are the exceptions.

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

Public employees don’t pay taxes. They are not tax producers, they are tax consumers. Their tax returns are merely an adjustment of how much tax money, produced and created by the public sector, they consume. The do not produce tax revenue.

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm

Barack Obama yesterday in Cleveland:

We’ve been willing to take risks to do big things. And we also get each other’s backs, just like you’re doing here in Cleveland, because we know that when it comes to America’s success, there’s no room for division between business and labor, and Democrats and Republicans. When it comes to competing for jobs and industries, we are on one team, and that is the American team. We will rise and fall together.

But the question is: does denying this division – which clearly exists – further the interests of workers or does it not play into the hands of those who have an interest in denying it?

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm

Somewhere, sometime, someday, someone has to do something right.

George W

February 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm

Jay, I am not really sure what your point is here?

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm

jm – “But not in aggregate. IN aggregate, the government tends to be a drag, not benevolent. The courts, policing, infrastructure (sometimes) are the exceptions.”

ohfercryingoutloud … talk about drinking the koolaid, buddy, you bought the whole STORE.

food safety is a drag?
public health is a drag?
education is a drag?
sanitation is a drag?
firefighting is a drag?
traffic control is a drag?
planning / zoning is a drag?
road building is a drag?

jeebus – THOSE are the things that pave the way for the businesses at whose feet you worship.

I mean. just. DAMN.

I need to go bang my head on keyboard a while …

Mary Elizabeth

February 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm

Stands for Decibels @ 12:15 p.m.

“And given the utter lack of logical thought coming from working class/mid-level professional sorts who post here, screaming and fuming about those public sector unions ruining the country, I have to think something beyond mere policy disagreement if fueling it.”
_________________________________________________________________

A week or so ago, I posted that we are in danger of becoming a nation of small-minded people.
There IS something going on beyond mere policy disagreement, even if people are not recognizing it. The focus in our nation has changed from: “how can I use my life and energy in my profession
to be of service to others?” to “how much money are you making compared to how much I am
making, and what are you taking from me?”

The value I presented would not even need to be money, it could be other worldly values. The point is that Americans (lacking awareness of what is happening) have started seeing themselves as victims of others instead of wanting to see themselves as contributors to society-at-large. That state of consciousness, IMHO, is small-minded in that it lacks a larger vision of what human potential can be about. Those leaders that will, again, inspire the people of this nation to care about something day-to-day that is larger than themselves, and their own lives, will elevate our national consciousness and dialogue.

Politically, instead of simply philosophically, big monied corporate interest are dividing middle and working class people into two camps – public and private – while they continue to be the major players of our national destiny – by continuing to put campaign money into the candidacy of those politicians who will support their interests – not the interests of the average American.

andygrdzki

February 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm

JAY you LIE………..Jay, RTC at the bottom of the story was “Restore the Constitution”…. Did you see that or just making up about Right to Carry…… Go to the Restore The Constitution website…..

EPI is made upon of current and former Union people… very objective…….

Normal

February 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

Oh Jefferson, you poor, sweet, naive kid…

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
1:21 pm

jm

Well, you’ve made your point but that obscenely more can only be those public sector jobs that require overtime. That is the one area of abuse that I will agree, especially when you have former beach police knocking down over 125k in retirement versus teachers at about 30k. Overtime should not be added to the base salary when computing retirement. Even those in the public sector don’t agree with some of the abuse, because regardless of what people like rb think, they are taxpayers too…

getalife

February 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

Going after the teacher unions fired up Obama’s base but what happens when they decide our cons are the problem?

You lose big in elections silly.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

USinUK 1:16 – go right ahead. Yes, planning is a drag. Houston does fine without it. All your other examples can also be executed by the private sector with the right design and plans. Ever heard of a toll road?

I’m not saying we don’t need food safety inspectors. But there are other ways to do food inspection rather than the government doing it. If you don’t believe that, you will need pull your head out of the sand before you can bang it on the keyboard. :)

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:24 pm

Mick 1:21 – my “after” was referring to retirement. Plenty of (CA and elsewhere) public sector workers (even in ATL in the police) can pull down over a couple million in retirement. Absurd.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Appreciate the thoughts…

RB

My wife is private sector, just as I was until 2005. Life sucks sometimes, but when you have an abundance of lemons, you just make lemonade. I’m not looking for sympathy or anything. My point is everybody suffers in some form or fashion. Public service isn’t some grand scheme to get wealthy and die rich, unless you run for public office or something. My wife and I both bust our ass working hard every day.

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2011
1:26 pm

Normal, I wish I was…

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm

Scott walker getting punk’d will be a major embarassment, he basically has been revealed to be a koch tool and a major league phony. Sometimes, there is justice in this world…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm

Public employees don’t pay taxes. They are not tax producers, they are tax consumers. Their tax returns are merely an adjustment of how much tax money, produced and created by the public sector, they consume. The do not produce tax revenue.

So, what you are saying is that even though we labor and are paid for our labor, the money we earn from our labor still belongs to the taxpayer after we’re paid? That’s stretching the whole taxpayer thing to a whole new level. If that’s what you’re saying, then you can argue that corporate profits do not belong to corporations but to the consumers who give their money to the corporations themselves.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm

Overtime should not be added to the base salary when computing retirement.

and of course, this (like a lot of other gripes people like to trot out about union representation) is a totally separate issue from what’s actually being discussed in WI and other states.

I mean, for instance, if it’s especially difficult to fire an incompetent worker in a particular state in a particular line of work, that’s an issue. It should be addressed. It has NOTHING to do with budgetary issues, however.

/drive-by

[...] posters at Free Republic are calling on counter-protesters to an Atlanta pro-labor rally to arrive “with the usual [...]

George W

February 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm

RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION!!!

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2011
1:37 pm

These “tea-cons” really have no life it seems…what a bunch of saps.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm

This Wisconsin governor does seem exceedingly gutless. Even by Republican standards…

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:39 pm

I may be wrong, but I think our ADD 24/7 news culture’s interest is starting to fade regarding Wisconsin. Libya is going front and center….

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm

“This Wisconsin governor does seem exceedingly gutless” say what?

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
1:41 pm

I don’t buy all this right-wing blather about supporting the US Constitution.

How else can one explain how they always vote for men like GWB and Ronald Reagan who used it as toilet paper?

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2011
1:43 pm

If Libya supplies 2% of the oil, why did it go up 9% yesterday? Because it can.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
1:43 pm

Walker is a consummate coward.

Whats so damn difficult for you you union-busting-wannabes to understand about that?

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm

AmVet – “Walker is a consummate coward.”

Hmm. Who is the bigger coward, the run-away Dems that fled the state or the Republican govenor that wants some budget reform? Whew, that is a toughy.

The Left-nuts…..the new party of NO!

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm

AmVet 1:43 – evidence please. On the contrary, what he’s doing is considerably unpopular among some very powerful, well financed people. So in most circles, that’s called doing something brave. But go ahead, call him a coward if you want. Your opinion is in stark contrast to the facts.

Doing something easy and in cowardice usually gets lots of applause (things Democrats do).

Fred

February 23rd, 2011
1:47 pm

Maybe they can get a bigger body count than they did in Tuscon……….

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
1:48 pm

andy…that thing on your head. Its support to carry a brain. Have you tried to use it? let’s look at the original post on freerepublic:

Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements. As always, each participant is responsible for compliance with all applicable local laws. . .. .

There appears to be some regulations re armed protests on the Washington Street side of the Capitol, so attendees are requested to be flexible in your attire. We will attempt (but no promises) to get some additional clarity regarding the situation and post it here prior to the show

________________________________________

Restore the Constitution not Right to Carry….okay, I got it now. Of course the Constitution is usually called an “accountrement” and whenever you carry the Constitution be sure that you are responsible to comply with applicable laws. How many times have I seen that warning at a Restore the Constitution event…. And sure the warning about regulations impacting ARMED PROTESTS on Washington Street is clearly directed at those armed with Constitution.

Well I guess you got Jay good on that lying thing….why I daresay he will hang his head in shame….

B^4

February 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm

These troglodytes are calling for a Civil War “mulligan”- ya lost, get over it.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm

Scaredy Democraps

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm

jm – what are your thoughts on this market turmoil? You think this mideat/Africa BS is going to drag on our market rally as of late? Or does Libyia just have The Street freaked out and things could get back to normal next week…or even with some resolution in Libyia/Bharain?

Mr. Peanutty

February 23rd, 2011
1:50 pm

jm,

We’re so glad to hear that others agree with our stance on food inspections. That said, we would be happy to send you free food samples each day if you will simply wear a heart monitor that we will provide for only $19.95 per month. It comes with a wireless adapter so we can readily receive signals over your existing internet connection. Thank you so much.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
1:54 pm

Nice Guy – I think the fear is “Libya Contagion”. I mean, losing Libya oil isn’t good, but it won’t be the end of the world. But things are getting restive over there, and if you lose Kuwait or some place like that, it starts to add up.

And higher oil prices are a HUGE drag on the economy. The second biggest single driver after interest rates. So, higher oil, slower economy, stagflation, until this sorts out. If it gets ugly, make sure you a Prius or Prius style replica in the driveway…. otherwise life could stink.

As far as the stock market goes – I don’t know. I just like the stocks I own because I bought’em cheap. I never try to guess the overall market, impossible….

George W

February 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm

Nice Guy…..there is no way the Libyia issue will be resolved next week. The turmoil will directly affect our oil pricing and oil always has an effect on our economy.

Murmar is already saying that he is doing to drive up the price of oil for the rest of the world.

Abrazos

February 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm

Just received the message below from a teacher friend today. Forget the corporate world. I’d go into teaching tomorrow if I could apply private sector invoicing methods and bill each kid’s parents for services rendered.

“Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?

Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit! We can get that for less than minimum wage.

That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Say each parent pays $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET’S SEE….
That’s $585 X 180= $105,300
per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries.)

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is!
The average teacher’s salary (nationwide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!)”

Jack

February 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm

Sounds a lot like someone is trying to bait the counterprotesters and Bookman is guilty too.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm

Abrazos 2:00 pm – that’s the worst argument I’ve ever seen regarding teacher pay

jm

February 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

GW 1:56 – second that

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

Boys, ya’ll worry way too much about money…

Silver Owl

February 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

Today’s conservative “man” (I do use that term very loosely) is more the abusive drunk than a respectable human being. The conservatives have fallen fast and very very low these days.

andygrdzki

February 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

Keep…. just trying to keep it straight……. If people show up with guns and they have a CWP, then so be it…

While I have a CWP, I would never show up with a gun….. to a rally, you never know when a crazy left wing nut may try and take it from you……

And was that the best you could do…… LOL..LOL…

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm

jm – “And higher oil prices are a HUGE drag on the economy. The second biggest single driver after interest rates.”

Exactly. That’s why I worry. The markets had a head of steam for many good reasons, but this oil issue can take the wind right out of the sails.

Left wing management

February 23rd, 2011
2:11 pm

Nice Guy: “Hmm. Who is the bigger coward, the run-away Dems that fled the state or the Republican govenor that wants some budget reform? Whew, that is a toughy.”

Here’s let me help you, you seem to be a bit mystified here.

The move that really took guts here was the one that entailed not backing down where it would have been easy to, not just being cowed by all the exasperation and the condescension from the beltway pundit crowd who were asking them why they don’t support democracy and respect election results and blah blah blah. There was no way for them to be absolutely certain they would have the people’s support to back them up and they wouldn’t just come off looking like fools. Well, the haven’t looked that way and their support from the people has only grown. So to me, that’s probably the diametrical opposite. What’s cowardice? Could it be trying to smuggle in a death blow to unions in a bill rather than coming out and confronting the workers to their faces? Hmm.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
2:12 pm

No wonder cons never recognize their own cowards. (And gawd knows thee are a boatload of them.)

That way they don’t have to see it in themselves.

George W

February 23rd, 2011
2:12 pm

Left Wing……run run run the demons are doing a great job of running!

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:13 pm

George W – “there is no way the Libyia issue will be resolved next week.”

I wasn’t trying to imply that it was. I was really just tossing out the idea that this could be a short term shock to the markets rather than a long term drag on our economy.

George W

February 23rd, 2011
2:13 pm

Nice Guy….the only way it will be short term is if Murmar gives up power and goes into excile. There is NO way that is going to happen.

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:17 pm

“Could it be trying to smuggle in a death blow to unions in a bill rather than coming out and confronting the workers to their faces?”

A death blow, Left Wing, a death BLOW? Hardly. They can still bargain for wages, and they’ll have to pay equal or less in benefits.

Sorry, Lefty, just not seeing the death blow.

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
2:20 pm

andy…weakest and dumbest response I have every seen. You screamed Jay LIED and then when called on the carpet for it you change it into an admission that you lied and Jay was right…

Joe The Plumber Too

February 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm

Wow, what a shocker!!!!!!!!!!! obozo has instucted holder to not obey and honor Federal Law again. He can sit in the Oval Office and decide what is Constitutional and what isn’t, what a joke, who needs the SCOTUS when we have such a scholar as little barry. Thankfully, there are just over 22 months til that fool goes back to that armpit of a city he came from. He and raum can sit around the mayors office and joke about the stupid poor people that made them rich while they thumbed their noses at laws and wiped their rears with the Constitution. Can’t wait to see the blogs in November of 2012 about how the racists stole the election.

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm

AmVEt – “And gawd knows thee are a boatload of them.”

You want cowards? Go look for the MIA congressman in Wisconsin. Once you find’em, you’ll have your boatload of cowards.

Nice Guy

February 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm

Mike? Is that you?

George W

February 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

JOE…..FINALLY someone brought up that topic. I agree 100% with you. This joke of a president we have is doing his best to tear apart the constitution. It is absolutely amazing!

Joe The Plumber Too

February 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm

George, Let’s see he has re-written Bankruptsy laws to please the UAW, he has sued a state over their law that mirrored existing Federal Law and now instucted his lapdog holder to no longer defend a 15 year old Federal Law against gay marriage, that right or wrong has not been repealed yet………. amazing is right.

George W

February 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

Joe….no kidding. Why are more people not bringing this up. This should even be scary to those on the left.

jm

February 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm

George / Joe – Obama and liberals don’t know the meaning of the rule of law. And US Presidents going back a ways now have been doing a crummy job (Bush).

George W

February 23rd, 2011
2:43 pm

jm…..interesting. You bring up Bush instead of discussing the NOW with OBONER!

Midori

February 23rd, 2011
2:48 pm

All this thread proves is that the ones who are so adamantly against teachers are most definitely the ones who need them most.

What a bunch of no-spelling hate mongers!!

Abrazos

February 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm

“This joke of a president we have is doing his best to tear apart the constitution.”

Which amendment is that “Defense of Marriage Act” again? I can’t find it anywhere in the copy of the Constitution that I keep in my office.

Joe The Plumber Too

February 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm

Leave it to a true bedwetter like midori to point out spelling errors but not touch on the little boy sitting at a big man’s desk deciding which laws will be followed and which won’t. Bet she wasn’t so silent about Bush’s Patriot Act.

TnJacket

February 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

jm
To: JM

February 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm
Abrazos 2:00 pm – that’s the worst argument I’ve ever seen regarding teacher pay

I find it a very compelling argument given the statements made by some regarding techers. Just curious, do you have any firsthand knowledge about a teacher’s workday?

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm

Abrazos: The letter makes a good point. If we did pay teachers by those standards we would be paying them MORE than they currently make. However, my argument is still this:

When did TEACHERS become the people who have it SO GOOD that they need to be cut down?

This really IS starting to sound like union envy. If you people REALLY think that teachers have benefits and pay that is so much greater than yours, then why do you not become a teacher?

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Kombiz Lavasany, Zerlina Maxwell, asherhuey, Jim, Rebby Martin and others. Rebby Martin said: A call for armed counterprotesters to Atlanta labor rally: The union has scheduled an event at the… http://bit.ly/e5JnKR #p2 #p21 #p2b [...]

Beth Luns

February 23rd, 2011
4:34 pm

This story is bull! I’m in Atlanta right now, and it’s nothing like that. Yes, there are counter-protesters, and that’s the rights we have. You Dems are angry that Ga. is one of the states to cut union benefits, and I hope they do it all across the country!

Beth Luns

February 23rd, 2011
4:37 pm

More LIBERAL CRAZY LIES!

Keep up the good fight!

February 23rd, 2011
4:42 pm

Beth…its hard to claim that the webposting call to arms was not made. Whether anyone showed up is another matter. Do tell, how do you know that there is no one there with a concealed gun? Have you searched everyone?

Maat

February 23rd, 2011
5:03 pm

Do they not realize the Left will shoot back? Guess not.

[...] the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Jay Bookman reports that right-wingers posting on the Free Republic website have been calling for armed counterprotests [...]

mark o'meara

February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm

Only cowards feel the need to carry guns to a peaceful Democratic Protest!

mark o'meara

February 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

it seems that a lot of geneticly challenged people write on this web site!

kaitlinsnana

February 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm

Guns?? That’s insanity. Never heard of such an idea, and I was there. Why are you so afraid of the gray-haired gang??

Lil' Barry Bailout

February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm

‘Get a Little Bloody’
A Democratic congressman urges government employees to take violent action.

The rhetoric around Wisconsin’s government labor dispute is getting more violent. NHJournal.com reports that Rep. Michael Capuano, a Massachusetts Democrat, said this yesterday at a Boston “solidarity” rally: “I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary.
————–

Oops, that was a Democrat…Jay just lost interest.

George Watson

February 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm

What a joke… bragging about scaring political protesters with guns. Wait till the protesters get the message and start carrying… Does the word left-wing revolutionary have a familiar ring to it? You have no idea what genie you are about to release. And guess who has the most to lose. He that lives by the sword…

rewinn

February 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

Too bad for the Tea Party’s paymasters that their boy Walker confessed that he’s not really intested in balancing the budget; he’s just out to crush unions for his master Koch. And he agreed to accept a bribe in the form of a vacation and a “good time”:
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‘Koch’: [Laughs] Well, I tell you what, Scott: once you crush these bastards I’ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time.

Walker: All right, that would be outstanding.
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…unlucky for Walker, it wasn’t Koch this time; it was a prankster. But accepting a bribe is still a felony.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/02/23-2

karen tahir

February 24th, 2011
1:13 am

The “thugs” teach your children you jerk…just remember that and thank them for the wonderful and basically “free” education your children receive.

novenator

February 24th, 2011
1:32 am

After getting all pepped up on goofballs (crank and fox news), it is only a matter of time that one of the mentally unstable people in a counter demonstration like this will open fire. That will be the moment where conservative media spokesman will say “he wasn’t *really* one of us, he was just insane”. Got news for ya, you’re ALL pretty much insane!

reality-based world

February 24th, 2011
2:30 am

[...] Scranton, and thousands showed up to support Wisconsin workers in Atlanta despite a call for armed Tea Party counter-protesters. More protests are scheduled throughout the state of Wisconsin, as well as the rest of the country [...]

David

February 24th, 2011
4:07 am

“Suggestion: Bring a camera. Take their pictures. Get their names. Make a record.”

That’s noteworthy in itself.

LiberalsStink

February 24th, 2011
5:48 am

Look at all these terrorist liberal scum sucking commie lovers makes me sick

John

February 24th, 2011
9:36 am

Why would anyone with a lick of sense ever live in the South? What a horrible place.

Workers’ Uprising « Politics or Poppycock

February 24th, 2011
10:24 am

[...] is being held at 4 pm today today at the Gold Dome in Atlanta, and the Journal-Constitution points to another threat of right-wing intimidation posted on the hard-right Free [...]

Pat

February 24th, 2011
1:13 pm

The mouth-breathing right-winger trolls who haunt Jay’s blog never fail to amuse.
Peadawg, do you are you familiar with the term “useful idiot?”
At least the Republicans get paid to be the Koch Brothers bee-yatches.
What’s in it for you?

DoctorSerizawa

February 24th, 2011
4:39 pm

It angers the already-unreasonable fringe that the Wisconsin rallies are peaceful and legal. The tea party is just an unhinged hate group that didn’t care about any of its so-called ’causes’ before the president was Black.

ODDOWL

February 24th, 2011
9:01 pm

The Anti union people sure do have some weird impressions about union members. Union workers are over worked and underpaid like everybody else who are not rich. Share the wealth, tax the rich, pay down the debt.

Mike

February 25th, 2011
5:33 am

After the assassination attempt, my partner and I have become what these people fear the most – liberals with guns. If this is the way they want it to go, we’re ready.

[...] websiteFreerepublic.com asking for armed protesters to show up in response. Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal Constitution broke the story: SEIU, the Service Employees International Union, is holding rallies at state [...]

sue

February 26th, 2011
6:12 pm

It is illegal to carry weapons to political rallies and into government buildings in Georgia. These armed protesters need their RIGHTS revolked!

CC

February 26th, 2011
11:26 pm

Hey Jay, why don’t you cover the violence that the Union thugs have committed instead of worrying about those who love the Constitution? But then I forget, liberals don’t think when reporting.

Also, approx. 40% of the Tea Party groups happen to be democrats/independents but as usual, liberals ignore that.

CC

February 27th, 2011
12:20 am

Bill

February 27th, 2011
12:46 am

Here you go, Jay. Report on this – a MoveOn/Union thug assaulting me at the Capitol protest/counterprotest on Saturday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4ZBBpOi_k

James

February 27th, 2011
12:58 pm

Peadawg why don’t you crawl back under your rock. You are an embarrassment to Georgia, the USA & last but not least yourself.

HaHa

February 28th, 2011
11:28 am

That’s right Union thugs, your fired!!!! We will be in your face until the we take back our government and issue your pink slips.