A call for armed counterprotesters to Atlanta labor rally
SEIU, the Service Employees International Union, is holding rallies at state capitols around the country to demonstrate solidarity with public employee unions in Wisconsin. The union has scheduled an event at the Gold Dome in Atlanta at 4 pm today.
This has been posted on the far-right Free Republic site, under the headline:
“Atlanta Tea Party and Many Other Groups, Facing Off the SEIU Thugs Wednesday”
“Members of the various Tea Party, 9/12, and other freedom-oriented folks in the Atlanta area will be assembling in the vicinity of Georgia State Capitol this coming Wednesday afternoon at 4 pm. We’ll be providing balance to the ravings of the passengers aboard the SEIU Thugbus, which is scheduled to vomit forth its stooges at that same place and time.
If you are within three hours drive of ATL, come join us.
Dan and others from RTC will be there, with the usual accoutrements. As always, each participant is responsible for compliance with all applicable local laws.
Rally point will be the corner of Trinity and Washington Streets in front of the Trinity United Methodist Church. Guide on the Gadsden flags. Rendezvous time no later than 3:45 pm local.
There appears to be some regulations re armed protests on the Washington Street side of the Capitol, so attendees are requested to be flexible in your attire. We will attempt (but no promises) to get some additional clarity regarding the situation and post it here prior to the show.
Take a stand.
Join us in Atlanta on Wednesday.”
The advice that “attendees are requested to be flexible in your attire” is apparently a suggestion to keep firearms concealed. The original author goes on to claim that “the lefties are idiots who are very good at running their mouths… and also very good at keeping their distance from an armed American”.
A couple of posters advised against bringing firearms to the rally, but that point of view did not seem to carry the day, as the following posts suggest:
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Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:12 am
The ones that are fake sick notes, yes I am assuming they are playing hooky(protesting). Why else would they need face sick notes?
You’re jumping around so much, I think you’ve confused yourself. The protest here has not even happened yet, so how do you know anyone here has even asked for a fake sick note?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:12 am
Adam – a mob can’t take over the state capitol. It is where the government’s / people’s “business”, such as it is, needs to get done. I have no doubt that they can arrest people if they ask them to leave and they refuse to do so.
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
“Dang,all this Lib & Con arguing back and forth and nobody has used the race card yet.I’m proud of y’all!” – Ya but some ding dong used the sexism card earlier…still don’t know why.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
Things are crazy and getting crazier.
I bet the cons are scared to death.
Power to the people around the world and here at home.
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
“You’re jumping around so much, I think you’ve confused yourself. The protest here has not even happened yet, so how do you know anyone here has even asked for a fake sick note?” – I think your confusing yourself, son. I’ve been talking about the protests in Wisconsin. Not Atlanta.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
jm: The governor has sent officers to Democratic senator’s houses in order to attempt to force them back into the chamber. I have little doubt that if it were as simple as you’re describing to arrest the protesters, they would have done so already.
Tomjy Maddox
February 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
I apologize for not coming down to protest or counter-protest – I’m busy WORKING!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am
Thugbus?
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1854&bih=933&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tupac%27s+hummer&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am
Tomjy: I work on Saturday too.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am
“Dang,all this Lib & Con arguing back and forth and nobody has used the race card yet.I’m proud of y’all!”
Paralepsis
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:17 am
getalife 11:14 – hardly…. the ballot box has been most effective and will be again in 2012.
Adam – I have no idea what WI laws are. But police tend to do as they please…. (for better or worse)
Ex-Partier
February 23rd, 2011
11:18 am
Better watch out, tea party folks know how to reload, fast! Faster than that Arizona shooter ever thought about being!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:18 am
I imagine they haven’t arrested them simply because why elevate an already stupid scene?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:18 am
But if the people don’t want to leave (they’re sleeping there for god’s sake), then I’d just start arresting them.
Under what charge? Or is violating someone’s 4th Amendment perfectly ok in that situation?
Del
February 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
Jay, you certainly have your alter-ego’s all stirred up over this one. Next start a rumor that right wing militias have plans to overrun the AJC offices and take all of you prisoner. They’ll be gasping then fainting and falling down on their computer keyboards.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
I think your confusing yourself, son. I’ve been talking about the protests in Wisconsin. Not Atlanta.
And others are discussing people bringing guns to a protest in Atlanta. Ok….
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
SoCo 11:18 – believe it or not, there are all kinds of laws on the books you’d never thought existed. I’m sure if the police ask them to leave, and they refuse, they can arrest them. I don’t much care one way or the other. If someone wants to go research WI law, have at it.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
Lets keep in mind the folks around the world are willing to risk their lives to protest.
Our debate does not compare to those brave people.
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
Ya but some ding dong used the sexism card earlier…still don’t know why.
If you ever figure out where THAT shot came from Peadawg let me know!
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
jm: It could very well be that they don’t want to be seen as bad guys overtly. Though I’m sure if somehow a mental switch is flipped that somehow convinces the governor that he is just as right to arrest all the protesters as he is to bust unions regardless of concessions made, then they will do so without worrying about the consequences.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
Just FYI, I’d heard from a WI caller on Sam Seder’s show yesterday, that the State House really is regarded as the people’s house, and apparently anyone who wants to stay there is entitled to stay there, all night if they want.
(don’t know how accurate this is, but it’d explain a lot.)
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
I hope GKQaddaffffi (I think I covered my bases with those spellings) gets ejected from Libya. And if the (toothless) International Court doesn’t pick him up, I hope someone (Israelis?) finish him off for Lockerbie (and everything else).
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
dB: That is kind of what I thought.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
Del:
Popping smoke !
StJ
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
“it’s smart (if you have a permit) to carry anytime you go to downtown Atlanta”
Or to avoid going to downtown Atlanta in the first place.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
Adam – I’m not a fan of mobs. There’s a fine line between a protest and mob. And I wouldn’t be shocked if the WI protests were starting to cross the line.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
Ya but some ding dong used the sexism card earlier…still don’t know why.
You haven’t figured out that women dominate the ranks of the teacher’s unions?
You think it’d be especially difficult to leverage misogyny amongst some men who otherwise might not feel they had a dog in this fight?
love,
Ding Dong
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
believe it or not, there are all kinds of laws on the books you’d never thought existed.
Think about what I do for a living…. I probably know more of them than you do..
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
“Better watch out, tea party folks know how to reload, fast! Faster than that Arizona shooter ever thought about being!”
You don’t need a gun to protest unions coward.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
StJ / Scout – downtown’s not that bad. I lived down there for 2 years. Yeah, you get accosted by panhandlers. But I never ran into anything actually troublesome when I lived down there.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
“it’s smart (if you have a permit) to carry anytime you go to downtown Atlanta”
Or to avoid going to downtown Atlanta in the first place.
yep, best just stay away, TPers. You really don’t belong amongst Those People.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
jm: I don’t think it’s crossed the line yet. And I don’t think it’s as close as you think it is. The only potential mob I see is a group taking this “call to arms” seriously in Wisconsin, not just in Atlanta.
BTW, as a pre-emptive nip in the bud, MOB RULE is not the same as DEMOCRACY.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
StJ :
Excellent point.
Del
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
0311, it is popping smoke or blowing it where the sun never shines.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
“Better watch out, tea party folks know how to reload, fast! Faster than that Arizona shooter ever thought about being!”
fat lot of good lax CCW laws in AZ did the poor SOBs who were murdered.
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 am
Dang Adam,Paralepsis? You are as bad as AmVet with them big words,now I gotta go googling.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
Downtown DOES stink (from the homeless defecating and urinating everywhere) and the panhandlers are a real nuisance to those just minding their business. The city would do well to actually try to fix the problem within the bounds of the law and reason.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
jm:
You’re the exception that proves the rule.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
I hope someone (Israelis?) finish him off for Lockerbie (and everything else).
It won’t be the Israelis. Here’s a bit of interesting info on that guy…
Seems Gaddafi’s grandmother, the mother of his mother, was Jewish, according to an account broadcast on Israeli TV news last year. Two Israeli women, who claimed to be his distant relatives, said his grandmother ran away from an abusive Jewish husband, married a Muslim sheik and converted.
But under Jewish religious law, Grandma and her daughter, who is Gaddafi’s mom, are still considered Jewish and therefore, as the monthly magazine Israel Today reports in its current issue, so is Gaddafi.
If the story they told is true, the weekly said, then “Gaddafi is entitled to immigrate to Israel as a Jew under Israel’s Law of Return. Even if every other country on earth refused him entry, Israel would be obligated by its own laws to take Gaddafi in.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022206091_3.html
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
Del:
HA ! Both !
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
jm:
That’s why it’s dying and businesses keep moving to Midtown or Buckhead.
Ex-Partier
February 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
“You don’t need a gun to protest unions coward.”
Just telling it like it is. Tea party folks love their guns, and they know how to shoot!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
SoCO 11:28 – that’s hilarious. But it would never, ever, happen. They’d arrest him on sight.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
jm:
During the late 60’s and early 70’s downtown Atlanta was a bustling, thriving, nice place to be.
Our office was in the Equitable Building and it was great.
No more ……………………
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
Gaddafi is entitled to immigrate to Israel as a Jew under Israel’s Law of Return
I’m not sure why, but that’s probably the funniest thing I will read all week.
(mind you, there’s nothing stopping the Israelis from prosecuting him for various crimes against humanity once he’s there.)
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:31 am
Scout 11:29 – yep. And the Central Perimeter (in the case of the AJC) – although I’m sure they had some other reasons too, Downtown conditions made the decision easy.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 23rd, 2011
11:31 am
Ex-Partier :
And so did the “Minutemen” thankfully ………………….
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:31 am
They’d arrest him on sight.
I owes you a Koch. Er, a Coke.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
dB
Funny wasn’t quite the word that came to mind when I first read that this morning. It was another “F” word, but the blog god won’t let me post that one unfiltered.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:34 am
I have some friends in the IBEW so I know why they are scared to death.
They love guns too and are very large and strong men that look for fights.
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
love,
Ding Dong
Thanks for clearing that up DB! LMAO
Del
February 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
SoCo, you might try the “F” word. The blog god seems to have become quite liberal these days.
Watch Out
February 23rd, 2011
11:37 am
The apocalypse is coming, the great clash is not far off.
I will have a front row seat.
….do you hear that….do you hear that….?
The galloping hooves of retribution, chasing down the weak, the freeloaders, the professional thieves popularly called “public servants”.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2011
11:38 am
Did someone say Koch. It looks like Walker got his latest fix.
Union Man
February 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
What makes one think Pro-union side doesn’t have RTC permits also?
Blog God
February 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
” The blog god seems to have become quite liberal these days.”
What’s that you say, Del?
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
11:41 am
yep, best just stay away, TPers. You really don’t belong amongst Those People.
Now we have the race card played! Yee Haw
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:41 am
“Just telling it like it is. Tea party folks love their guns, and they know how to shoot!”
Well, if they shoot like palin, they will miss alot.
Most are old and would faint if somebody got in their face.
Old cons like to run their mouths but cower under their beds.
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
11:41 am
the people at Free Republic are idiots and that is insane to request members bring firearms to what is sure to be a volitile situation.
But for one to bring up them and completley ignore the signs and the request of the signs by supporters of the union protest makes one either look childish and dishonest in their examination of the situation, or it make sthem incredibly dumb and ignorant for not seeing the parrallels between the two.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/02/21/mika-makes-excuses-vile-wi-signs-till-she-sees-them
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/02/19/photo-gallery-what-big-labor-protesters-are-teaching-kids-language-warning/
Don’t all of you who attacked Free Republic jump at once to attackt he protestors as well. Those who called out how wrong the tea party was for these signs stand proud and have your voice heard!
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
SoCo: Or is violating someone’s 4th Amendment perfectly ok in that situation?
Well, it’s also ok now in airports. So why not?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
“The Rent is Too Damn High!” guy should move into the Wisconsin capitol. Apparently its legal, and he’d save on rent.
harvey
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
Nothing like stirring up the pot a little bit. The SEIU is a bunch of thugs–the tactics they use are similar to those they used at the turn of the century. I would love to go and counter protest, but am afraid they would do me physical harm. I would be a lot more worried about those thugs than any non union person carrying a gun. And if the thugs did hurt me they would get away with it. They sure battered a guy badly in St. Louis because he counter protested.
RS
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
Did someone say Koch. It looks like Walker got his latest fix.
Simply verifies that the John Birch wing of the GOP is in a major power play to crush the middle class and establish a corporate oligarchy. The only weapon the middle class has is the strength of the unions.
Welcome to the Corporate States of America.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:44 am
thomas
I don’t even need to look at your links to call dumb for what it is. There are those, on both sides of the political spectrum, that take a little too much liberty with their right to free speech. I believe in allowing people to express their free speech, but have no problem with calling jackassery for what it is.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
Dear Jay, I’ve noticed that your posts on Wisconsin and related carry almost no personal perspective, and that strikes me (pardon the labor pun) as uncharacteristic. You re-post lurid stuff written by others, but add nothing of your own. (And I am not criticizing you for quoting others – that is entirely reasonable as a basis of essay.) But normally – in fact, almost always – we get some of the Bookman perspective on the topic of the day.
Curious minds want to know: Are you in Solidarność with the Wisconsin government employees, or are you with the Wisconsin taxpayers, or is this one of those “a pox on both their houses”?
Truly
February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
It’s amazing how fast Walker opens his mouth when a Koch is around.
Be the adult in the room
February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
So the “non-thugs” use verbiage like “We’ll be providing balance to the ravings of the passengers aboard the SEIU Thugbus, which is scheduled to vomit forth its stooges at that same place and time.”, and are coming with their guns, while the supposed “thugs” are coming to peacefully stand up for working families, employees, and labor rights. Those fooled by this hypocritical nonsense are playing right into the manipulation.
Real Scooter
February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
What makes one think Pro-union side doesn’t have RTC permits also?
I hope that question was for Jay. He’s the one that seems to think only right-wingers have RTC permits.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
Ragnar: You re-post lurid stuff written by others, but add nothing of your own.
Is it really needed?
Keep up the good fight!
February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am
TaxPayer.. very interesting.
RW-(the original)
February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am
Poll: If the protests do get bloody, regardless of who fired the first shot or started the first fight, who will be blamed? Unions or government?
Sarah Palin, silly.
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Anybody going to the dueling Rent-a-Mob show? Be sure and bring a camera so you can tell the side of the story our local “media” leaves out.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am
The “rule of law” ended a good 30 or 40 years ago in this country…. maybe earlier.
I recently had a conversation with someone working on federal murder cases downtown. Murders are walking (scott free) because our defunct, overloaded, archane trial system couldn’t process them within 10 years and eventually the judge said (after 10 frickin years) that the whole right to a “swift” trial by jury period was over.
WTF. Depressing. We’re not spending money on our courts, justice, and keeping an eye on governmental powers because we’re too busy showering money on retirees and overpaid government workers. Mind blowing.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:46 am
Well, it’s also ok now in airports. So why not?
The 4th is not being violated. Purchasing a ticket and starting the screening process is implied consent to search. If you do not wish to subject yourself to that search, you do not have to fly.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
I want to see these brave cons take on the police and firefighter unions.
They do not have the guts.
RB from Gwinnett
February 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
I still want to know if the libs will call for Obama to peacefully resign if we assemble 1MM people in Washington demanding he resign like they are elsewhere in the world.
And isn’t the attitude of these union public employees just so full of concern for their fellow citizens who happen to be paying their entire salaries? They basically don’t give a crap the rest of us are unemployed, underemployed, have had our incomes cut by X%, being foreclosed on, whatever, just don’t ask us to have any share whatsoever in this economy collapse the rest of you are experiencing. I guess they aren’t willing to give “a few thousand more” like Jay is, eh?
thomas
February 23rd, 2011
11:49 am
You really should look the first one is funny how fast the reporter tries to walk away from statements like u know earlier in the same taping. Its classic!
Glad you see both sides though.
How many on here do not?
Look how many have blasted the people at free Republic, yet crickets on the protesters.
Hell the head of the blog, Mr. Bookman himself has been rather quite on it. Then goes after free republic, but silence on the actions and signs of those protesting?
The ability of people to turn their blinders on depending upon political affiliation is remarkable to me. Sometimes sickening but usually just depressing, that people are either that willingfully blind or that stupid.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:50 am
What makes one think Pro-union side doesn’t have RTC permits also?
sssh. I want the TPers to think they’re the only ones who’ve ever worked those bang-shootie things.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:51 am
Murders are walking (scott free) because our defunct, overloaded, archane trial system couldn’t process them within 10 years and eventually the judge said (after 10 frickin years) that the whole right to a “swift” trial by jury period was over.
It’s not always about money bro. Do a google search and look at the number of vacant seats in federal courts. The whole process is broken. We’re using a system set up in the early 20th century for a country with a vastly expanded population and caseload. Money alone will not fix the system. There needs to be a top to bottom review for the entire process.
RW
I’d love to be there as a uninvolved bystander. However, other duties will keep me away.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:51 am
if we assemble 1MM people in Washington
I think your side has already proven itself incapable of managing even that.
Adam
February 23rd, 2011
11:51 am
SoCo: Purchasing a ticket and starting the screening process is implied consent to search.
No. With that logic you could just say that any search is reasonable. The Fourth says UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. The body scanner and enhanced pat downs when you refuse is unreasonable. There are other, better ways to prevent terrorism.
Also, by your logic one could easily say “if you don’t like ____ don’t do/live in _____” as an excuse to do whatever they want. For example, if I don’t like the government taking taxes from me, then I have a choice to not have a job. Makes sense right? No, it doesn’t.
stands for decibels
February 23rd, 2011
11:52 am
By the way, an extra dog biscuit for you righties who have managed to uncover a few WI protesters who’ve said not-nice things. Very good!
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
SoCo 11:51 – I’m sure its not just about the $. I don’t know what the problem is. But I find it absurd that this is going on. Our country is becoming second rate.
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
11:55 am
“I think your side has already proven itself incapable of managing even that.”
And it isn’t neccessary. We have a Constitutionally mandated system for getting rid of the President, should we need to
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
11:56 am
Lots of whining on this blog is all you will get from the cons.
They act tough taking on the teachers but that is the full extent of their bravery.
Jay
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
Ragnar, I posted earlier in comments that I don’t think collective bargaining and in particular the right to strike are good ideas for public employees. Through politics, they already have an influence over their bosses that those in private industry do not. For example, that explains how Georgia’s nonunion teachers have a higher average pay than the union teachers in Wisconsin.
That said, I’m also opposed to the cheap union-busting tactics being employed in Wisconsin and elsewhere and see it as part of an ongoing and destructive shift of power away from working Americans.
Oh, and blaming unions for state deficits is absurd.
USinUK
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
“It’s not always about money bro. Do a google search and look at the number of vacant seats in federal courts.”
and WHY are those seats empty???
ask the Party of NO
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
Jay, regarding the “union busting” (or reform to collective bargaining rules, as I would call it), the reason Walker wants to do this is because it TOOK THE BIGGEST RECESSION IN US HISTORY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION to (possibly) get concessions out of the PEU’s. As soon as its over, they want all their “rights” (read, leverage tools for manipulating government) still in place so they can re-instate their overly generous compensation.
The PEU’s must be shut down for the good of the country. At minimum, they don’t need the upper hand in negotiations with their employer (the government, the taxpayers, and the people).
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
“You haven’t figured out that women dominate the ranks of the teacher’s unions?
You think it’d be especially difficult to leverage misogyny amongst some men who otherwise might not feel they had a dog in this fight?”
You’re reaching with that one. That’s as dumb as calling someone racist for disagreeing with Obama.
Misty Fyed
February 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
Doggone
But getting rid of a sitting US president would adversely affect interstate commerce giving the Congress the right to pretty much do whatever it wants…Because the commerce clause seems to trump all else.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
1MM = .3% of the US population (based on a 300MM population figure) That would hardly be representative of the entire population.
They basically don’t give a crap the rest of us are unemployed, underemployed, have had our incomes cut by X%, being foreclosed on, whatever, just don’t ask us to have any share whatsoever in this economy collapse the rest of you are experiencing. I guess they aren’t willing to give “a few thousand more” like Jay is, eh?
Can’t speak for everyone, but this public employee has adopted a family for Christmas and supplied toys and food for several years. I’ve also donated to charities by paycheck deduction, which is ironic because nobody wants to stop that deduction, but they want to stop the union dues deduction. This public employee has also donated to corporations in the form of my 401k. I’ve shopped local businesses to help small business people as opposed to filling Wal Mart’s coffers. What else do you want me to do? Want me to come and shine your shoes or cut your grass?
thomas
Dang it…. With that description, now I gotta go take a look.
jm
February 23rd, 2011
11:59 am
“Oh, and blaming unions for state deficits is absurd.” Not if you’re talking about CA.
getalife
February 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
jm,
Do you live in Cali or follow their politics or just read some rw blog or fox (gop state tv)?
Doggone/GA
February 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
“I posted earlier in comments that I don’t think collective bargaining and in particular the right to strike are good ideas for public employees”
And for ME, what is happening in WI points to the REAL need to HAVE them.
Mick
February 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm
Ragnar – by the way, all those workers are taxpayers too…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm
No. With that logic you could just say that any search is reasonable. The Fourth says UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. The body scanner and enhanced pat downs when you refuse is unreasonable. There are other, better ways to prevent terrorism.
Not any search is reasonable. You have to provide articulable facts. Trust me on this as a big part of my academics in the academy was on the 4th. You should take time out to study technology we use for screening and compare that to the technology of available weaponry. There probably are other and better ways to prevent attacks. However, the question will still be whether it’s reasonable or not? What may be reasonable to one person might not be reasonable to someone else.
For example, if I don’t like the government taking taxes from me, then I have a choice to not have a job. Makes sense right? No, it doesn’t.
Actually, it does. You can’t excape all taxes, but you could decide to retire and live off the land. The government would get on property taxes, but if you’re hunting and fishing on your own private property and growing your own vegetables, there’s not much they could do to take taxes from you.
retired early
February 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm
Who wins if the unions disappear…Corporations
Who looses…..working class Americans.
Who are the Tea Party trying to protect by union busting….Corporations…hum…so, this is a “grass roots” push to help out…Corporations.
That is the net effect of their movement whether they know it or not.
As George Soros pointed out…they have been fed a steady diet of lies and false information convincing them that what they do is patriotic…when in reality…they are eating their own flesh.
Thanks to ‘talk radio’ , they have become Corporate puppets…and the sad thing is…they are too stupid to know it.
USinUK
February 23rd, 2011
12:05 pm
but … but … but … I thought it was the illegal immigrants that caused CA’s fiscal demise!
I wish you guys would figure out a story and stick with it
Left wing management
February 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm
Inherent in the statement by the rightist man of action: “the lefties are idiots who are very good at running their mouths… and also very good at keeping their distance from an armed American”
shows a fundamental misunderstanding of leftist bravery and a commitment to action.
Didn’t the great leftist Bertolt Brecht say “we must be beasts in such a way that the Fascists fear for their domination” ? This is an aspect of militant leftism that is poorly understand in America in the age of Limbaugh.
Peadawg
February 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm
“And for ME, what is happening in WI points to the REAL need to HAVE them.” – And what is that need exactly? The need to cause a disruption like this? Oh yes please more unions!!! We need more role models like the teachers and whatnot skipping out on their jobs and costing taxpayers millions!!! If the teacher can et fake sick notes, why can’t students?
jm
February 23rd, 2011
12:08 pm
getalife 12:01 – I just get to read plenty of news articles about their labor cost problems. More like BusinessWeek, Bloomberg, blah blah blah.