Indiana GOP appears ready to shove Dick Lugar overboard

“If Dick Lugar, having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”

– John Danforth, former three-term Republican senator from Missouri and UN ambassador under President George W. Bush, in a November 2010 interview

“Today, with their permission, I present you with the names of the 77 percent of the Republican chairman of Indiana who are willing today to support me in this campaign. What’s important to note also, is that the remaining twenty-three percent are not telling me they’re committed to Mr. Lugar; they simply have a policy of not endorsing in a primary…. Honorable Chairmen, Republican leaders, Tea Party activists and friends, we must begin, because it IS OUR time, and so I’m proud to announce to you my candidacy for the United States Senate on behalf of the Great People of the Great State of Indiana!”

– Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, announcing his 2012 primary challenge to Lugar

In 2006, Lugar won re-election with 87 percent of the vote; the Democrats didn’t even bother to put a name on the ballot against him. In his previous three Senate elections, Lugar won with at least a 2-to-1 margin of victory.

But if Mourdock really does have the public commitment of three-quarters of Indiana’s GOP chairman — and there’s no evidence on which to question his claim — Lugar is in big trouble in next year’s primary.

– Jay Bookman

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February 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm

Jay:

Why don’t you focus on the Democrats. There’s a lot of juicy stuff out there !

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm

Scout,

Because the Democrats are irrelevant now, remember? Didn’t you get the memo?

carlosgvv

February 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm

This is only the latest in the Tea Party’s attempts to take over the Republican Party and have it wholly owned by the far right Christian loonies. They know the majority of their voters are ignorant people easliy swayed by propaganda and lies. This is one of the products of the dumbing down of America.

larry

February 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm

Because the Democrats are not eating their own.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm

So the Democratic Party writes off the South, while the Republican Party writes off the nation.

Guess who wins?

larry

February 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm

I think people are just waking up to the fact that the tea party, sponsored by the Koch brothers , are bad news.

If you would look at all the so -called cuts the Republicans are proposing , look at how many benefit them.

Misty Fyed

February 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm

I like carlosgvv’s style. Let’s not actually engage in meaningful dialogue, let’s say everyone who doesn’t agree with me is ignorant. You must be related to Amvet.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm

“let’s say everyone who doesn’t agree with me is ignorant. You must be related to Amvet.”

Or jm.

Misty Fyed

February 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

Larry,

We have no choice but to look at the cuts the Republicans proposed because the Democrats chose not to offer any at all. In fact, unless things have changed, they aren’t even offering a budget proposal this year.

getalife

February 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

Stop whining Scout and MF.

This is going to be a great cycle.

Normal

February 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

My analagy to this is a toddler(GOP) with a gun(Tea Party). Nothing good can come of it.

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm

Let’s not actually engage in meaningful dialogue, let’s say everyone who doesn’t agree with me is ignorant.

Talk-radio has been doing that very thing for a generation. In fact, it was talk-radio that invented and refined the language of political debate. Don’t seem to remember too many on the right getting all poutragey about that. You like having El Rushbo doing all the heavy lifting so that you can sit back and get your thong all a-twist when someone on the left uses that same language.

@@

February 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm

While I appreciated Mourdock’s stand on the auto bailouts, he may have a problem with this statement:

“How do President Obama and Secretary [of the Treasury Timothy] Geitner justify pensioners taking losses, while a foreign-owned business gets 20% of the new corporation without investing a single penny in the deal?” Mourdock asked.

In charging that the Administration is “throwing away the rights of secured creditors,” Mourdock also took after the President for labeling such creditors who opposed the Chrysler deal as “greedy speculators” and “unpatriotic.”

“That’s precisely what he said at his news conference,” said the Indiana treasurer, “Indiana taxpayers,retired Hoosier state policemen and teachers are neither greedy speculators nor unpatriotic. They are, however, secured creditors of Chrysler. They deserve to have their funds protected under the full auspices of the law.”

It’s one of those things politicians say in the heat of the moment. May come back to bite him in the ass though. ‘Ya just never know ’bout these things.

larry

February 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm

The President has been putting out proposals since 2009 for the 2010 budget, but none of the them cut the EPA and SEC like the Koch brothers would like.

You know , the EPA and the SEC and their pesky regulators just might find them doing something wrong.

I mean , who needs clean air and fresh water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/us/politics/08budget.html?_r=1

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm

“My analagy to this is a toddler(GOP) with a gun(Tea Party). Nothing good can come of it.”

Or electing the least qualified person in any room to be commander-in-chief?

Good for Indiana. Lugar is a waste of oxygen.

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm

Liberals are so funny…they bash conservatives as blind non-thinking lemmings for espousing small government when George W. Bush rolls out a trillion dollar stimulus, conveniently forgetting that this is exactly what the Tea Party does…go after big-spending Republicans.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm

I doubt this will happen. We’ll see.

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm

Liberals are smarter than conservatives. Well, except when it comes to taking responsibility for their own lives, which curiously the brain-iacs can’t seem to manage without government intervention and big taxes on “the rich.”

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

So the Democratic Party writes off the South, while the Republican Party writes off the nation.

Guess who wins?

Bin Laden??? :) j/k

Road Scholar

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

Foreign policy for a TP member in Indiana means what is happening in Ohio!

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

“This is one of the products of the dumbing down of America.”

How ironic…the people who have been dumbed-down can take care of themselves just fine, but the enlightened left can’t quite seem to manage it.

TnGelding

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

One of the last of the good guys. Woe is us.

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm

Koch brothers…BOO!!!

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm

First, Paul, despite all pretenses, the South is part of this nation.

Second, I think the nation has had a thing or two to tell people who think that they know how someone’s going to vote. And it usually isn’t pretty for the prognosticator.

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm

So a primary that hasn’t happened, one candidate says he’s going to win over another, and Jay acts like the race is over and announces that “Indiana GOP appears ready to shove Dick Lugar overboard” It appears that Bookman is mighty interested in GOP elections. Gonna call the shots too. The Democrats are so busy hiding out in various states to avoid voting, they may not even bring candidates to town. . So Jay has to concentrate on the GOP.

Yep, while the Democrats play hide’n’seek, the GOP gets ready. No wonder Democrats are losing voters all over the country. (Find your own poll!). It’s obvious. Dems are so blind to debt & deficienices they have to play games. The country knows it. They want people who lead, not bench warmers, water boys and drop outs who don’t even know how to show up. .

.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm

Or electing the least qualified person in any room to be commander-in-chief?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm

Requirements to Become President
*•Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, [...]

*•One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. [...]

*•Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen. [...]

Per the Constitution, those are the only requirements for being president. I’d be interested in seeing how to qualify someone as more or less qualified based on what the Founding Fathers set in ink.

Nice Guy

February 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm

“You like having El Rushbo doing all the heavy lifting ”

Excellence in broadcasting baby….

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ll wait patiently for the abuse….

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm

jm

February 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm

Lugar will probably win again. Tempest in tea pot. I’ll wait until I see the 2012 polls….

Nice Guy

February 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

“My analagy to this is a toddler(GOP) with a gun(Tea Party). Nothing good can come of it.”

Right. Kind of like a Democrat (Pelosi) with a gavel (Speaker).

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

SoCo, please don’t descend into Adam territory. You’re better than that, and he isn’t.

I didn’t say REQUIREMENTS.

I said QUALIFIED, as in QUALIFICATIONS. Of experience.

No management experience. No legislative experience. No business experience.

He remains the least qualified person in just about every room he enters, even today.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

I think Jay thinks the world is falling a apart. Dems on the lam around the country. People upending unions. Moderate Republicans get (possibly) sideswiped. This is probably beginning to look like armaggeddon to a hard core liberal, and there’s not even a Republican in the White House yet.

Go Big Red.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm

Agree with the essay. I think Sen. Lugar may want to reserve a room next to respected Utah Sen. Bennett. His time is passed also.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

Dave R

“, I think the nation has had a thing or two to tell people who think that they know how someone’s going to vote. And it usually isn’t pretty for the prognosticator.”

That is often the case.

The line about the South was taken from one of Jay’s recent threads.

SoCom

Will you please stop citing the Constitution? It just mucks things up -

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Hi Bosch. What’s new?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

“It appears that Bookman is mighty interested in GOP elections. Gonna call the shots too.”

C’mon, Dusty! You know how much libs like Jay live to tell us what we should be doing with our money, our time and our attention. Why shouldn’t they add who we should vote for into their portfolio?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm

Dave

We put “qualifications” on the office of the President, but in reality, there are none whatsoever. If we tried to qualify things like that, we’d create a authoritarian government. Does a person starting their first business have business ownership experience? You gain experience through life. As a country that’s supposed to have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people, I would expect that people would resist from having “qualification” demands because that implies that the average person can not participate in their own government. Is that what you’re trying to push or imply?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm

Paul

As EOI, I refuse to try to let people change the rules of the game midstream. If you’re going to go by the Constitution for some things, then use it for everything. This whole “qualification” thing smacks of elitism. Is it any wonder that the majority of people on Capitol Hill are millionaires?

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

SoCo! You are da man!!

:-)

Not much Dusty! Hope your day is good.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

Dave R. – (SoCom)

Actually, the Constitution doesn’t say ‘qualified’ or ‘requirement’ – it says ‘eligible.’

One – eligible- is a Constitutional provision, the other – requirement – is a restatement and qualified is an opinion. Unless one takes the position that anyone eligible is qualified and it’s up to the voter to decide which characteristics are important.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

SoCom

Elitism? As in 20th-century wealthy northeastern Democratic officeholders and senior bureaucrats?

You’re carrying EOI to a whole new level!

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

Ragnar,

Don’t agree with the essay! Makes Bookman’s head swell and he is already aware of his importance. Give him a small headache, at least, with your usual persausive logic.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

“and it’s up to the voter to decide which characteristics are important.”

Yeah Dave,

……..and the voters decided that Obama was the man for the job. Why do you hate democracy?

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm

Take 3 minutes out of your drivel and watch the awesome video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2HiUMlOz4UQ&vq=large

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

“I would expect that people would resist from having “qualification” demands because that implies that the average person can not participate in their own government. Is that what you’re trying to push or imply?”

Now see, you and Paul are being particularly dense this afternoon, and I suspect it is because you can’t defend the thin resume of the current resident of the White House.

As you both well know, I detest rules of any kind (it’s my nature to live my life as I see fit, not someone else), therefore I am certainly not calling for set qualifications. However, every responsible voter must determine if the person he or she is voting for is qualified to fill the office one is vying for.

Any reasonable examination of Obama’s qualifications; management, legislative and business, shows that he is the least qualified person to sit in that office – ever.

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February 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

“Gadhafi vows to fight on, die a martyr”

May his wish be granted !

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

Elitism? As in 20th-century wealthy northeastern Democratic officeholders and senior bureaucrats?

To quote Isaac Hayes…… “You damn right!”
Can’t argue with the eligibility thing either. The way our current government is skewered, if you don’t have money, you don’t have a chance. Anything above local office requires either lots of cash on hand or the ability to raise a lot in a short amount of time. I think the Citizen’s United ruling was the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

” I detest rules of any kind (it’s my nature to live my life as I see fit, not someone else), ”

Wow Dave you and I have something in common — used to drive my parents crazy.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Paul! I have a present for you….wait…I’ll go get it.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

“Why do you hate democracy?”

Bosch, one, we don’t have a democracy, we have a Constitutional republic.

Two democracies are mob rule – kinda like unions. Three wolves and one sheep deciding what’s for dinner. Most people wouldn’t want to be the sheep.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

“This whole “qualification” thing smacks of elitism.”

Actually, it smacks of competence.

Or in the case of the current office holder – incompetence.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

Oh Dave – I was just messin’ with ya….but, isn’t a Constitutional Republic like a form of Democracy — like a grape is a kind of fruit?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

Any reasonable examination of Obama’s qualifications; management, legislative and business, shows that he is the least qualified person to sit in that office – ever.

That’s your opinion. Others disagreed with yours and Obama got elected. My honest opinon of that election was the same as our governor’s election. There’s not much to choose from, so I picked WHAT I THOUGHT to be the lesser of two evils.

As you both well know, I detest rules of any kind (it’s my nature to live my life as I see fit, not someone else), therefore I am certainly not calling for set qualifications.

Yet, by reading your last statement, which I copied above, you’re doing exactly that. You’re calling for people to judge him based on your opinion of what makes a good POTUS. No two people think exactly alike, not even twins. Talk about somebody being dense…..

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

USMC Dawg

That was pretty incredible. Thanks.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

“Yet, by reading your last statement, which I copied above, you’re doing exactly that. You’re calling for people to judge him based on your opinion of what makes a good POTUS. No two people think exactly alike, not even twins.”

Yeah, DAVE!

(SoCo really is the Man…)

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Dave R.

“Now see, you and Paul are being particularly dense this afternoon, and I suspect it is because you can’t defend the thin resume of the current resident of the White House.”

Nope. Has nothing to do with it. Bosch answered well at 3:43. People eligible run, voters decide what’s important.

The majority of voters thought the current guy was more qualified.

Pretty simple, really.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

“That was pretty incredible. Thanks.”

Paul, Your welcome. I thought that would be a good video for “everyone” (see inclusive) to enjoy this afternoon.
(Not to politicize the video, but do you think all of those people are sitting around waiting for the Union or the Government to “grease” their palms?)

chuck

February 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm

Lugar isn’t as conservative as he needs to be AND, he tweaked the nose of the tea party movement. What does he expect? He practically challenged conservatives to run a primary candidate against him. It’s a new day in the Republican party. The mere fact that John Danforth supports him is reason enough for me to send his opponent a check.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

Dave R: <I.No management experience. No legislative experience. No business experience.

You forgot military experience, unless you were on a swift boat. Then you don’t count.

Really, your arguments are ridiculous. He did have legislative experience, and even if he had been in office for 5 terms first you’d still be harping on all the other things you think don’t qualify him.

You might also examine the quality of such experience, if it exists. I know you would if a Democratic candidate actually HAD all those as experience, but you disagreed with the particulars of how he or she handled themselves in those situations.

You never answered me as to why any of those bits of experience you listed matter anyway. I suspect you won’t, but I also suspect that’s mostly because you really don’t have a legitimate answer.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

2012 is still a year and a half off. A lot can change in a very short time as we should be able to see from the 2008 and 2010 results. The Romany lady says she’s making no predictions and suggests others not either,,,especially if there’s a bet riding on it…

And the Democrats better hope that the rest of the country does go whole hawg GOP. They’ll get the South back then. One thing you pretty much count on, the Denizens of Dixieland will go counter to the national norm as a matter in principle! :-)

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

Looks lie I missed a lot of fun today.

First Uncle Miltie takes a general comment about trolls personally. (BTW, it wasn’t meant for him but was probably a good call anyway, Miltie.)

Then some new meat named Play Musty for Me takes a cheap shot at me. I mean, who is this person? I’ve never even noticed him/her here before.

At any rate, I sure am a burr in their britches. (Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.)

It’s all good though, because I’m still tight with SoCo, aka the man!

And Paul and Bosch and ex-pat and getalife and stands and Bruno and Matti and Doggone and…

On topic, Indiana isn’t exactly the bastion of great political minds (just potatoe heads), so to me, it’s a big case of who gives a…?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Actually, I won’t answer you because you’re a yappy little tea cup poodle leg-humper who can’t understand the English language nor complex concepts.

‘Kay?

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Dave R,
I realize the propensity of libs to play follow the leader ’cause they lack a GPS. but , this running from state to state for hideout time is getting comical. It would make a good Loony Tunes cartoon at least.

Hey…Jay’s next topic. Loony Libs play Loony Tunes in new comedy sweep. No use to waste all that talent.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Bosch, that was great! Thanks!

They got the number one pick right. It was eligible, of course. Met all the requirements. Was eminently well qualified. But in the end, those with the votes made the top pick!

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm

Sure Dave, whatever you say.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

AmVet

Yeah, look at all of who you’re tight with! You just plumb schizophrenic you old curmudgeon trouble maker…

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm

SoCo: As far as eligibility, requirements, and qualifications go, none of it really matters as a hard and fast rule EXCEPT what’s in the Constitution.

There were no huge universities requiring lots of money to be able to get a piece of paper that somehow proved your intellectual prowess.

There were no large scale businesses that make oodles of cash that somehow proved you knew how to turn a profit (even though that actually probably has the LEAST to do with being President than anything else).

In fact, the only two things you could point to for years as qualifications for being President were military or legislative experience. Even then, you didn’t have to be a lifelong politician or lifelong general to be able to be voted in. So there’s actually very little point to having this argument. It’s what matters to voters at the time that’s the issue, and nothing else.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

And to Paul, Bosch and SoCo, I understand the whole election process better than you, so I realize all the ways the least qualified person in any Presidential race could have won.

Just because people voted for him, doesn’t mean they thought he was more qualified. In many cases, they just liked him better, or voted for the party, or the color of his skin.

It doesn’t change the fact that he came into office with the least amount of qualifications of any President in the history of this nation. Unless you can make the case that someone who never ran a business, never managed a payroll or a process, never proposed nor passed any significant legislation, and was elected to his Senate seat primarily because his opposition was disgraced constitutes qualifications to be President.

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February 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

Just in case someone is still wondering (from a below thread) why the Governor of Wisconsin just might be treating police and firemen different that other workers.

“Florida city loses third police officer in 28 days to shootings”

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/22/florida.officer.shot/index.html?hpt=T2

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

“From now on, anyone who tries to rescue the hostages in our hands will only collect dead bodies,” he said. “It will never ever happen that hostages are rescued and we are hauled to prison.”

Well. You can expect Americans to start arming themselves when sailing abroad now….

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

“Actually, I won’t answer you because you’re a yappy little tea cup poodle leg-humper who can’t understand the English language nor complex concepts.”

That sounds Racist…

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

And sailing near that part of the world is just dumb and reckless.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

If Mourdock wins and Lugar loses it won’t be any great loss to the Republican party.

Pogo

February 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

Jay, you slide another little “republican inner turmoil” piece again in your hope against hope that that will somehow make a difference in what is about to happen. I have news for you; the Republicans can never match the Democrats in the area of self destruction. It only took Obama, Pelosi and Reid two years to make the majority of the working people in this country sick of them. News travels fast nowadays and the people that count (the typical taxpaying voters) don’t suffer ideological idiots like this liberal trifecta anymore. At least the American people are now fully aware that we are broke whether Obama and the Democrats and the unions (and the Bookman 9 here) believe it or not. The “Silent Majority” is about to roar again in 2012 and how sweet it will be.

carlosgvv

February 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm

Misty Fyed, Harry Callahan

You cannot have any meaningful dialogue with people convinced God has blessed them because of their beliefs and all others are damned. For those not in the know, I am speaking of the far right “campassionate conservative” Christians who are in the process of taking over the Republican Party. A great many of the dumbed down are unemployed and either in the street or headed that way. Harry, that is not exactly what I would call taking care of themselves, you tool.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

DAVE

The least qualified presidents…? Oh, I’d put U. S, Grant, Andrew Johnson, and James Buchanan in the running…a drunken anti-Semite, a quasi literate hate monger and an ineffectual tired old queen…sorry, but Obama’s got some competition…

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

Since Dave is being an obstinate fool, would anyone else care to tell me why these things are qualifications for President?

1) Payroll (seriously? The Executive branch?)
2) Running a business (regardless of the level of your success at doing so, apparently)

I do find it telling that aside from me, and before I got here, Dave had to re-explain and re-hash his position to 3 other people. Apparently all your old points you think are over and done with aren’t as clear cut as you believed.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

josef, that’s just lovely.

Especially coming from a self-avowed EOI.

BTW, my brother, you’re right smack in the middle of that list!

Even dusty and I are working on our issues, right Dusty? (It’s always been a love/hate relationship with us – but I’m terribly confused as to the roles!!)

Hey Dave R!

It doesn’t change the fact that he came into office with the least amount of qualifications of any President in the history of this nation.

I concur. But after his predecessor – with arguably the worst assortment of said experiences known in presidential history – won twice, I think that category got tossed out the window!

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

USMC: Well if he even remotely thought he was being racist then he can kiss my Anglo-Saxon White Male ass.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm

“For those not in the know, I am speaking of the far right “campassionate conservative” Christians who are in the process of taking over the Republican Party.”

Kinda missed the past 30 years, didn’t ya, carlos?

And the past election cycle, where the religious right was gently moved aside so that Tea Party candidates without the social conservative baggage could gain office.

For those not in the know, look in the mirror, carlos.

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm

Well, JOSEF, glad to see you back full of vim & vigor. The Denizens of Dixieland…love that title. I’ll just throw in that old favorite The South Shall Rise Again and again and again ( just to get things straightened out.)

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SoCo,

You speak nicely. But. the next time you get a new coworker who has never really worked before, has never worn a uniform, has never used a firearm, has never inspected anything and rather play basketball than work, you might understand a few comments about the president’s resume. You might even say, he doesn’t have a lot of experience.

Of course he can learn but but but…….and lotta people like him but but but…..some think he might NOT be experienced. .

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm

josef, at least Grant and Jackson had military leadership experience (despite what they did with it).

And AmVet, don’t expect any defense of GWB from me, but even his qualifications were greater than Hope & Change (which, as I’ve mentioned before, is NOT a strategy). :)

chuck

February 22nd, 2011
4:23 pm

Adam, people who have had to make payroll understand how government policies affect private sector jobs. Obama has never actually worked for a living much less employed others.

Business experience has the same impact as meeting a payroll. People who have worked for someone OTHER THAN GOVERNMENT see the need to do things efficiently. They want to eliminated duplication of services, waste fraud and abuse, inefficient workers and multiple layers of bureacracy so that businesses can work.

Hope that helps.

chuck

February 22nd, 2011
4:25 pm

ooops, eliminate not eliminated

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

Dave R

“And to Paul, Bosch and SoCo, I understand the whole election process better than you,”

Tryin’ a bit too hard?

“It doesn’t change the fact that he came into office with the least amount of qualifications of any President in the history of this nation. Unless you can make the case that someone who never ran a business, never managed a payroll or a process, never proposed nor passed any significant legislation…”

Well, this is from the White House website and it doesn’t sound all that impressive, either:

[["I was born Feb. 12, 1809, in Hardin County, Kentucky. My parents were both born in Virginia, of undistinguished families--second families, perhaps I should say. My mother, who died in my tenth year, was of a family of the name of Hanks.... My father ... removed from Kentucky to ... Indiana, in my eighth year.... It was a wild region, with many bears and other wild animals still in the woods. There I grew up.... Of course when I came of age I did not know much. Still somehow, I could read, write, and cipher ... but that was all."

Lincoln made extraordinary efforts to attain knowledge while working on a farm, splitting rails for fences, and keeping store at New Salem, Illinois. He was a captain in the Black Hawk War, spent eight years in the Illinois legislature, and rode the circuit of courts for many years. His law partner said of him, "His ambition was a little engine that knew no rest."]]

Another lawyer and guy who served in a state legislature… ‘cept he never served in the House or Senate…

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

Scout Zero….you keep trying to make distinctions but never explained how police and fire unions differ from correctional facility unions…

Differences without distinction as my crim law professor used to say.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

AmVet

I didn’t say it wasn’t good company!

Dusty–
I kinda like that Denizens one myself…credit where credit’s due. My favorite Yankee history professor, the old Wobblie, used that one…a fine fellow, he…

Your Hatred Makes Baby Jesus Cry

February 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm

Enter your comments here

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm

correction, served in House but never in the Senate -

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm

People who have worked for someone OTHER THAN GOVERNMENT see the need to do things efficiently.

Did your Ayn Rand blow-up doll come with a lifetime guarantee?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm

“Another lawyer and guy who served in a state legislature… ‘cept he never served in the House or Senate…”

And a first-class proponent of the primacy of the Federal government. Not your finest example to me, Paul.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm

If 30 years wasn’t enough for Lugar to git ‘er done, then it sounds like a good time to move on.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm

DAVE

That was Andrew JOHNSON not Jackson…I know it may come as a bit of a surprise that as much as I hate the SOB Jackson, he did have certain qualifications. And Grant? All you have to do is take a look at his administration to see just how imminently unqualified he was. And while I’m not opposed to a military background being a qualification, a berserk Mongol invader’s experience doesn’t imply he’s qualified to be the leader of a democratic republic based on the rule of law.
Using that logic, we could make the argument that being a community organizer is a qualification…and, really, in my opinion, it is…especially one brought up through the ranks in Chicago…THAT qualifies him to play the game…

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm

“Bosch, one, we don’t have a democracy, we have a Constitutional republic”

You left out a word: Democratic.

We have a Constitutional DEMOCRATIC Republic

No need to thank me

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

Dave R.

Maybe not the finest example, but not bad off the top of my head.

So tell us, how were Lincoln’s qualifications vastly superior to Obama’s? Or do you think they weren’t? Either way, I suppose it would be good to hear if you think Lincoln was a bad a president as Obama. Else the comparison is meaningless.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

Looks like we’re headed to a government shutdown. Thanks a lot Democrats. Apparently Reed won’t pass a spending bill….

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

AMVET 4:18

ROLL? What roll? I’m still waiting for you to learn how to spell POTATO! At 4:02 I QUAYLED at your spelling! Ha!! I just can’t CHIP into that.

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February 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm

Keep Up the Pillow Fight !:

I already answered you once but here it is again:

Prison Guards are “probably” at the low end of those killed in the line of duty as compared to police and fire but if the Governor wants to include them that’s fine with me.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm

josef, Johnson’s legislative experience was still far greater than the current resident.

And I have never suggested that one cannot play the game (although others have tried to make the case that I have). Everyone may play. Some are just better qualified to serve once elected. I can play baseball, but if I found myself on a team, I’d certainly not be qualified to serve rather than, say, Carl Yastremski.

buck@gon

February 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm

Oh, this is just Tearrrrible!!!!

Dick …. who?

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February 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm

jm:

“Well. You can expect Americans to start arming themselves when sailing abroad now….”

Negative. Most countries would arrest you if you stray into their waters or make port.

Bill Orvis White

February 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm

It’s time for new blood in Indiana. Lugar is an old-line has-been who is out of touch with the modern, dynamic rightful patriotic tea party Republicans who are thankfully taking the party over.

All over the country tea party patriots are organizing in a cohesive fashion that is modeled after the Honorable President Ronald Wilson Reagan’s vision for the party – which is a strong commitment to low/no taxe$, school vouchers in all 50 states, God in whatever public schools are left and in all public buildlings, dismantling of the secular Department of Education, expansion of our military and the eradication of the socialistic Environmental Protection Agency.

Mr. Reagan would be so proud of today’s tea partyers who are standing up the injustices of Big Government and ARE WINNING!

It’s hilarious what’s happening in Wisconsin! Tea party patriots are drowning out the socialistic union thug organizers! Even Hussein Obama is getting in on the act and he’s failing, thank the Lord! Governor Walker is staring down the agitators and it’s a fact that he won’t back down! These lazy Communist cheeseheads are going to have to take a pay reduction and skip the stupid collective bargaining or else the honorable governor will have to fire each and every one of their good-for-nothing butts. I pray that the latter will happen because these Godless souls need to pack their bags and go up to Canada or down to Cuba where they can suck off another’s government’s teet. I also pray that Governor Walker could get each of those Socialist-Democrats impeached.

Back to Lugar: Was he really a Republican? If so, that was long mistake. He looks very weak. There are a few bad apples in the bunch, that’s for sure.

Amen,
Bill

Amen,
Bill

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:46 pm

“No need to thank me”

Nor engage you in useless debate.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm

Dear Dusty @ 3:43, thanks for the laugh. Have you noticed that Jay is strangely-constrained on the Wisconsin stuff? His heart is not in the left-side on that one.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm

Dave

If you check history, there were many who would not cut the mustard for “experience”. I care less about the POTUS’s experience versus his picks to make up his administration. His experience would be relevant if the POTUS is a micro-managing fool who tries to make each and every decision on his own. However, the POTUS is usually surrounded by a competent staff of advisors who specialize in knowledge in the areas they offer advice in. Those are the people who’s experience I worry about.

Dusty

Half of my academy class had never fired a handgun before our first day on the range. I understand how everyone puts a premium on experience. My question is, “How do you get experience if you never have the opportunity or chance to do the job in the first place?” I know enough that sometimes the best shooters are the one’s who have never shot a gun before. They don’t have any bad habits to break, and they are like working with a blank sheet of paper. It’s far easier to teach someone the proper way to do something if they don’t have any bad habits to counter.

Also Dusty, my career goal is to become an instructor at the basic academy so that I can teach the job. Whether I’m teaching immigration, customs, or firearms really doesn’t matter to me. I enjoy watching someone’s face light up when they learn something new or different.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm

Scout 4:45 – I know. Or you can check arms when making port. But with this BS going on, what other choice is there?

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm

Dusty, I misspelled it on purpose. (For dramatic Dan Quayle effect!)

Potato….chip…..

Funny.

As far as presidential qualifications, I do think they are somewhat important.

But for me the true test is character. The difficulty is in really knowing. The career politicans have armies of people to message their resumes and redact out a lot of the ugliness.

So it’s only after the race that people learn that that guys like John Edwards are philandering sleazeballs…

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm

Dave

Don’t get me started on Johnson! But that’s for another time. I will be among the first to say that President Obama is in over his head, but he’s by no means the first and, again in my opinion, is by no means the least qualified by background to be there.

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm

From USAToday:

“The public strongly opposes laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions as a way to ease state financial troubles, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

The poll found that 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to one being considered in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.”

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm

Scout Zero….let’s be clear…you claim that WI gov has excluded these unions because they put their lives on the line and not to reward his political support from those same unions. If your distinction were true, the correctional guards would be included (not conceding your “order of risk” but you acknowledge their lives are on the line. Therefore your distinction to distinquish the unions exempted by the WI gov fails because it does not include all of the union employees who risk their lives. Once your distinction fails, we go back to the only real distinction….who endorsed the governor.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm

All over the country tea party patriots are organizing in a cohesive fashion that is modeled after the Honorable President Ronald Wilson Reagan’s vision for the party – which is a strong commitment to low/no taxe$, school vouchers in all 50 states, God in whatever public schools are left and in all public buildlings, dismantling of the secular Department of Education, expansion of our military and the eradication of the socialistic Environmental Protection Agency.

If that is, indeed, the Tea Party’s vision, just how friggin large does the military need to be? If you want low/no taxes, who’s going to pay for this expansion and upkeep of the military? I guess the military fairies will just pixie dust that vision into being…. :roll:

retired early

February 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm

Off topic

Looks like ol’ Boehner is not missing his wife back home much. I am impressed…at 61 he can handle a threesome. Wow…..doom doom doom doom…”another bites the dust”…doom doom doom doom…another one bites the dust… yeah”.
On topic
Anyone on this blog who is an employee, stands to lose ground financially, if these unions are busted. If you have been lead to believe the opposite…you have been duped.
The middle class grew as a direct result of unions beginning in the 1940’s, and without them, we are headed right back there again.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm

AmVet

What you said about test of character…yes. And that test can be approached from any number of factors.

SoCo
And I am with you on the advisors/cabinet thingie…the POTUS is at best a cheerleader for his team…

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm

As always, I guess we continue to poll the uneducated likely voters and unlikely voters alike.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm

Paul, thus far no one is a bad a President as Obama is.

Lincoln had more elected office experience, some military experience in a militia, and he actually had business experience, especially when it came to what happens when one fails. However, as far as I’m concerned Lincoln failed to realize the implications of an oppressive Federal government on the backs of people who wanted more freedom. And while I didn’t agree with his choice, I respected his leadership abilities in prosecuting the unpleasantness of the 1860’s.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm

Scout 4:45 – I know. Or you can check arms when making port. But with this BS going on, what other choice is there?

Stay out of the area until somebody’s Navy takes permanent care of the situation.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm

Southern Comfort (aka The Man), good point.

And to your point about rookies being good shots.

If I’ve told this story before, forgive me.

When my son was in the Boy scouts, me and two other men took about 20 boys up to Kentucky for a week long camp out. There were activities for the boys everyday and sometimes they included the adults. But there were activities for the adults only as well.

One of them was a skeet shoot competition.

Me and one of the other men represented our troop. There were probably 10 – 12 teams, and lo and behold we won the thing!

My partner was ex-Army and a damn good shot. And I’m good enough I didn’t drag him down too much.

Afterward, some of us were sitting around and gabbing and somebody complimented me on my shooting and asked how often I shot skeet.

I smiled and told them the truth, “This was my first time.” They just howled with laughter.

What can I say? Us country boys know how to relax, line up a target, even if it’s moving, and squeeze the trigger. (Don’t pull the damn thing! You’ll miss every time.)

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm

josef

That’s why I understood your angst over Obama having Warren as part of the inauguration ceremonies. It’s not always the decision as much as it is the people around the decision maker.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm

Jay. Either, A, Walker disagrees with the Poll. Or, B, he’s willing to do what’s right and suffer the political consequences. I don’t care. He’s doing the right thing. There’s no place for public employee unions, and in my opinion – unions in general, in this country in this day and age.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm

AmV

If we ever get a chance to share a brew, I’ll have to tell you how I was taught to squeeze the trigger instead of pulling it. I couldn’t do it service even if I tried to type it out here.

Gotta run for a few…. I’ll check back in for the (D)/(R) bashing later…

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm

“Nor engage you in useless debate”

Always the best choice when you know you’re in the wrong. Wise of you.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm

SoCo 5:00 – :) wish that were so. Not likely. This will be naval whack a mole…

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm

RAGNAR,

Bookman restrained on the Wisconsin affair? Only until he can find another promising poll.

AMVET

You MEANT to misspell potato for effect? Yeah…Uh huh… OK …If you say so., POTATOE!

SOCO,

You will be a great teacher. Teach ‘em right! (What did Jimi Hendrix say. “Can’t get no experience!)??

JOSEF,

What did you say? “One brought through the ranks of Chicago ! That qualifies him to play the game.”

Well, I guess Al Capone would have made a good president. According to you, he was QUALIFIED!

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm

There’s no place for public employee unions, and in my opinion – unions in general, in this country in this day and age.

Come spend a month or so with me, and you’d probably do a 180 turn……… It’s all about perspectives.

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm

jm, if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.

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February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm

Keep Up the Pillow Fight!:

Like the Dems. have never done something like that? Laughable !

However, I must agree to disagree with your analysis.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm

Yeah Labor Unions! Yeah Corrupt Monopolies!

larry

February 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm

So Boehner is involved with not one , but two women? I can just hear Newt. Yeahhhhhhhhhhh!!! thats the way buddy..!!

I guess he’s going to do some deficit cutting of his own.

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February 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm

jm:

Some countries you can check weapons and some not. Try going into British Commonwealth countries with weapn …………. you go to jail.

Bottom line is they shouldn’t have been there.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm

Jay, if I’m in a “union shop” state, I don’t have a choice. But don’t worry, it won’t happen. I for one believe joining a union should be voluntary, and paying dues should be voluntary, just like all non-governmental organizations are in this country. Or should we make states “church-shops” and dictate that everyone has to go to the Southern Baptist church and pay dues to the church.

Economic freedom is as important as religious freedom.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm

Jay:

“if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.”

Good grief jay, you can’t be serious?

Most unions you join or else !

If it were truly a free choice without thug intimidation there probably wouldn’t be a third of the unions there are now.

I was a member of one once …………. I know how they operate.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm

AmVet, I had never shot a rifle before going to basic training in the Air Force. After the obligatory practice rounds, the TI allowed us to empty the magazine (still in single shot) without interruption.

I had a nice, grapefruit-sized grouping on my target, but it ended up being, oh, about a foot and a half too low.

My TI tapped me on the shoulder and simply said, “Son, your man ain’t dead, but he sure wishes he was . . .”

larry

February 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm

I guess he’s going to do some crying alright.

Eric Cantor …………….front and center

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm

Scout – as I understand it, you need to declare it to the authorities before arrival. Not a problem I need to deal with right now…. but there are a lot of other people on the high seas that will be rethinking this.

The Navy needs to squash this. Or people are going to arm themselves for protection. The ransom payers are the ones that have ultimately created this industry.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm

“if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.”

Would that the teachers in Wisconsin had that choice. . .

Haven’t you ever heard that drive-by comments are usually subject to ridicule?

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm

Scout Zero…as a former managment attorney representing companies trying to bust unions, I can assure you that the thug tactics were management side.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm

Only until he can find another promising poll.

Dusty,

Scroll up 14 minutes from that comment of yours. :-)

/No link though, so I guess I’ll go do a little poking around to see how badly skewed this poll is.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm

I bet said voters in the poll don’t approve of the Democrats running away to stop the wheels of government and democracy.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm

My TI tapped me on the shoulder and simply said, “Son, your man ain’t dead, but he sure wishes he was . . .”

Now that’s hysterical. It reminds me of the old sensei joke, “The flies lives but he will no longer reproduce!”

I too, did real well at the firing range. No sharp shooter, but I could also ruin one of the bad guy’s day!

It’s likely that Jay will have it as a topic soon, but I see the new governor has made some changes to the HOPE scholarship. It appears to be a good compromise.

Moderate Line

February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm

But if Mourdock really does have the public commitment of three-quarters of Indiana’s GOP chairman — and there’s no evidence on which to question his claim — Lugar is in big trouble in next year’s primary.
+++
Without some polling information I can’t draw a conclusion.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm

“jm, if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.”- jay

Easy to say, but Again, not reality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVQJNMOSFMI

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm

Larry, 5:14

Quit reading THE ENQUIRER. You are too young and impressionable to read such whacked out trash.

Didn’t you see the sign? Beware! Democrats at Work!

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February 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

Keep up the Pillow Fight!:

By volume of thugery agree to disagree.

Moderate Line

February 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
jm, if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.
+++++
That is only applicable in right to work states. This is like saying if you don’t like taxes don’t pay them. The power of monopoly power will soon be on you.

http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm

where the religious right was gently moved aside so that Tea Party candidates without the social conservative baggage could gain office.

OH! That explains why there are no bills being presented that have anything to do with religious beliefs!

chuck @ 4:23: Ok that explains the motivation behind wanting this to be a qualification. But I don’t think you need to be management or even the head of a private business, or in charge of some payroll, as your only way of gleaning this perspective.

Of course government has some affect on private business but it does beg the question what kind of reaction you expect. It seems to me to be that the ideal would be to have this qualification (cause) and then because of that knowledge you have, you will necessarily agree that government should keep its hands off so much that if you, a reasonable person, were running the business you would be comfortable and do the right thing.

But what if you’re not a reasonable business person? What if you are rather unsuccessful at running your business, or if you are trying to squeeze every penny of profit out of the business by making sure your workers work for as little pay and for as few hours as possible. So on and so on.

Basically, what if you run your business like the people on Wall Street did that caused the financial crisis in the first place? I know people like to blame government for that but it was LACK of government regulation that led to the housing mortgage problem, not too much of it. And I’m not saying this is the only scenario under which lack of oversight causes a problem. I can point to quite a few.

I realize that as a business owner or management, you might not like rules, but there are those who have power that try to get away with things that are borederline criminal sometimes, both in the public AND private sector. There does need to be oversight in both areas.

I also realize that was a long rant but I’ll stop there. :)

Paul @ 4:43p: Well, Lincoln was honest, of course. Obama is just a dirty liar. Or so the propagnada machine on both issues would have you believe.

Dave R: To use your baseball analogy, there’s really only one game played the entire season that involves only what one might consider “qualified” players. That’s the All-Star game. Not all qualified people exist in every possible area of government at any one time. Chances are, when you end up with only two choices, you aren’t necessarily going to end up with either of them being “qualified.” Despite their taste in running mates, even.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm

DUSTY

Would Al Capone have made a good president? Well, he came up through the ranks of the Chicago ciminals and, let’s get real, they ran a pretty tight and effective ship. And JFK certainly had his, uh, connections. LBJ ran his whole administration along the lines of the mafia and he got an awful lot done.

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February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm

jm:

You can’t even “check them” by requesting it ahead of time into a British Commonwealth country.

They are so anti-gun its pathetic.

They just won’t do it and there are a lot of them out there.

getalife

February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm

Lets say the cons win knocking off the competition for corporate.

What will they come for next?

You.

They will make you work for chinese wages and make you buy their crap.

Is this the government you want cons?

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm

I think USA Today may have buried the lead.

71% oppose increasing sales, income or other taxes while 27% are in favor that approach.

Although the poll just says it was 1,000 adults and gives no further background so it’s that grain ‘o salt thingie.

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February 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

josef:

I sure hope this one is true :

Abraham Lincoln once asked General (Winfield) Scott the question:

“Why is it that you were once able to take the City of Mexico in three months with 5,000 men, and we have been unable to take Richmond with 100,000 men?”

“I will tell you,” said General Scott. “The men who took us into the City of Mexico are the same men who are keeping us out of Richmond.”

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

Obama, the big spending, pro-union, anti-growth liberal. I just don’t see how this guy gets re-elected in this country. But I’ve been wrong before. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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February 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

Jay:

And I suppose the Democrats push for “card check” instead of a secret ballot would make joining unions more voluntary?

That has “thugery” written all over it !

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm

Oh, I left out: weak foreign policy…

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm

Scout, I’m on record several times as opposing card check.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm

Hang tough, Kiwis.

It looks bad down there.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm

Dave R.

“the unpleasantness of the 1860’s.”

??????????????????????????????

Never heard of a war that resulted over half a million dead, countless wounded, pitted members of the same families against each other, nearly tore our nation apart

referred to as “the unpleasantness….”

Must be a Southern thing?

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm

ADAM

Lincoln was honest? Just because he was called Honest Abe, don’t make it so.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm

Obama makes Bill Clinton look like Newt Gingrich…. I’m shaking my head about contributing in 08, not that it would have mattered.

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm

RW, Yeah, I saw Bookman found a poll to suit his projections. Didn’t bother much with it. His info is all too familiar.

Keep up the good work. Always glad to see you here.

Now, I”m off to the store.. Hold the fort!

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

AmVet

“One of them was a skeet shoot competition.”

Couple months before she was married, my future daughter in law’s dad took her first-time skeet shooting with a bunch of his friends. She’d never shot skeet. She shot 8 for 8. One of the guys asked her how she did it. She said “My daddy told me to, so I did.”

At the groom’s dinner daddy presented here with… a solid pink custom-made shotgun.

Told my son it was time for a new cookbook. Future bride made a face and said “I know you don’t cook skeet!”

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

“Must be a Southern thing?”

I’m just trying to soften the discussion for those born below the Mason-Dixon line, Paul.

Coming from a Massachusetts boy (even one whose relatives at the time lived in the Maritime Provinces of Canada), it sounds so much better than the “We kicked your sorry, toothless, in-bred butts” war. :) (apologies in advance to josef) Especially when there was nothing “Civil” about that time.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm

“Scout, I’m on record several times as opposing card check.”-Jay

Yeah Jay, you are, but the Unions are pushing Card check and will continue to try and ram it down the throats of our country. It is what unions stand for and one of the major laws that Unions are pushing to get.

But I am sincerely glad that you are against it because it is flat out Un-American. (yeah, I said it)

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
5:37 pm

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm

PAUL

Also known as The Late Misunderstanding…sounds a lot more concilliatory than The War of the Invasion!

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm

Dave R

“Especially when there was nothing “Civil” about that time.”

No kidding. Direct ancestor on my dad’s side got his citizenship by fighting in that war. Did you know a draftee could pay someone else to take his place? Was wounded and spent months in a pretty horrible POW camp. I have his records. Lots of pain for years, no help at all from the government. Became so bad he eventually took his life.

Gives me a different outlook on who victims are and who suffers in war.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm

Okay, Dave

Yeah, “y’all” might have kicked “our” sorry, in-bred, toothless b*tts, but took ya four years to do it outnumbering us 16-1 and we took out as many of y’all as you did us…jus’ keeping the record straight here… :-)

and Adam…
Less see, married to Mary Todd and sleeping with who? Unh, hunh, real honesty there…sounds a lot like the current crop of Republicans to me… :-)

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm

…a solid pink custom-made shotgun.

I don’t care how macho anyone else pretends to be, seeing that thing in an angry woman’s hands would scare the ever loving ____ out of me!

jm, given your current hyper-agitated state, it would seem that you are gonna have one endless, miserable 23 months ahead of you.

Enjoy!

And if there is a deity out there somewhere with a sense of humor, the GOP will again trot out a laughable slate, and the Uppity Muslim, Kenyan Marxist Fascist without a Birth Certificate will get re-elected, just so you can see what it was like for millions of Americans from 2000 – 2008! Aka the Reign of Error.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm

Dave R

I kinda think the North won in large measure the same way the US has won many other wars.

They massively out-produced their opponents.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm

I just wanted to get a rise out of you, josef. :D

You know me; always stirrin’ the puddin’.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
5:48 pm

josef nix

Misunderstanding? So if at the beginning someone had said “That’s a fort our shell are hitting? I thought it was the practice range” we might’ve avoided the whole thing?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm

“I kinda think the North won in large measure the same way the US has won many other wars.

They massively out-produced their opponents.”

No argument there, Paul. The South had better Generals, and in my mind a better cause, but they just picked a fight against a heavyweight.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm

Opinion polls say that the majority of US workers want to be in a labor union, according to Kate Bronfenbrenner, a professor and director of Labor Education Research, New York State School of Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell University. So why are just 12.4 percent of American workers union members? In brief, they fear what their bosses will do to them. Such fear is real. Employers more than doubled their use of anti-union tactics against employees attempting to form unions between 1999 and 2003 versus Bronfenbrenner’s three earlier research periods. Meticulously, she details this rising anti-labor trend in a new study, No Holds Barred: The Intensification of Employer Opposition to Organizing, published by the Economic Policy Institute of Washington, DC, and released May 20.

The study analyzes a random sample of 1,004 National Labor Relations Board union election campaigns, and in-depth surveys with head union organizers in 562 of these campaigns. For workers, her findings are fearful. Sixty-three percent of employers use mandatory one-on-one, anti-union meetings with employees. Further, 57 percent of employers threatened to close the workplace, 47 percent of employers issued threats to slash benefits and wages, while 34 percent of employers fired workers during union organizing drives

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
5:51 pm

PAUL

The whole thing could have been avoided if they’d've just gone ahead and put those two egomaniacs, Lincoln and Davis, in a ring and let ‘em b*tch slap each other into well deserved oblivion…

jm

February 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm

AmVet 5:44 – I just don’t like Unions. At all. And Obama clearly love unions.

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm

“in a ring and let ‘em b*tch slap each other into well deserved oblivion…”

And I have no doubt who would have one THAT one.

Pogo

February 22nd, 2011
5:58 pm

Another thing Jay, have ever heard of the terms “apprenticeship” and “journeymen”? The unions in the past took pride in providing skilled workers to the hated “companies” based upon these two terms. And 20 years ago this pretty much true. Now, the unions leadership are basically selling “books” (another term which you probably have no understanding of) to anyone that can pay for them, even if they are not skilled. And why do they do this? To keep money coming into their coffers so that they can spend it on themselves and to support politicians like Obama who want their money for the campagins. I just love it when liberals such as yourself that don’t even understand something support it in the name of their own political ideology. Unions have become nothing more than a parasite on our economy.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm

Doggone

The closet queen? :-)

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm

“Sixty-three percent of employers use mandatory one-on-one, anti-union meetings with employees. Further, 57 percent of employers threatened to close the workplace, 47 percent of employers issued threats to slash benefits and wages, while 34 percent of employers fired workers during union organizing drives.”

Music to this freedom-loving individual’s ears!

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm

jm

Why wouldn’t Obama love unions? The Democrat Party is statedly the party of the unions. I’d trust him a lot less if he didn’t…

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm

“The closet queen?”

Which one is that?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm

Bottom line is they shouldn’t have been there.

Scout, that was my first thought when I heard they had been kidnapped. My disbelief turned to anger when they were killed. If I were in a position to do so, I would put out a notice for all USC’s to forego travel in the ME unless it’s completely necessary until things get better. We can better justify offensive actions if USC’s are sought out specifically outside of trouble areas. No attack can be blamed on unrest if we’re not there.

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm

“The Democrat Party is statedly the party of the unions”

Not you too. I’m disappointed.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm

AmVet 5:44 – I just don’t like Unions. At all.

And that means what to me?

The union-busting parasites enjoy the very benefits they get from men who fought and died to get them. Yet denigrate those men.

At the very minimum, all cons should be made to work on Labor Day and not get paid for it.

Nor should they be eligible for overtime pay, paid vacation time and any rights to protection over unsafe working conditions, among many other benefits.

In the meantime the police are raising their voices alongside students, teachers, firefighters, Green Bay Packers, nurses, steel workers, construction workers and religious groups who are filling the streets to protest.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm

Doggone

“Honest” Abe, who else? Though I’ve often wondered about Jeff’s relationship with Judah P…and would that the latter had not burned his papers! I’ve always wondered about that “kitchen cabinet” crew at Buchanan’s…

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

““Honest” Abe, who else?”

Well, not “who else” to me…I don’t characterize people by guessing about their sexual orientation. But yes, Lincoln. He had height, reach, strength, and experience on his side. When he was in his 50’s he could hold a double-bitted logging axe by the end of the handle, straight out at shoulder height without trembling.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Doggone

Disappointed? Why? It is. Don’t read too much into that. I never said it was “controlled” by the unions, but it does consider the unions a fundamental part of of its base…

fred

February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Late to the party as usual and not having read the posts, it’s doubtful anyone except me is even talking about the original subject matter. However:

What is the surprise? As soon as the Democrats regained power of the Senate and Congress the lunatic fringe nutcases went after Lieberman and Miller, two people who put the fate of the Country ahead of party politics. Why would the right be any different? They’ve always been a step or two behind so it’s just natural this is happening now……..

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

The South had a better cause, Dave R says.

fred

February 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

But yes, Lincoln. He had height, reach, strength, and experience on his side. When he was in his 50’s he could hold a double-bitted logging axe by the end of the handle, straight out at shoulder height without trembling.
=============================

You saw him do this lol?

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm

Yeah, USMC, the unions are pushing card check so hard that the Dems didn’t even bring it to a vote when they had both houses of Congress.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm

Yes, Jay. Freedom, liberty and upholding the Constitution are demonstrably better causes than increasing the power of the Federal government.

Of course, I don’t expect YOU to agree with that.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm

Doggone
Number one, his orientation is pretty clear by now. And I’m just saying that a show marriage to a mentally unstable woman while sleeping in the same bed with the same man for years is hardly, imho, a statement of good character. Secondly, what’s with all that “butch” stuff he could do…? I can do most of that myself, you know, and I “came out” with my feller w-a-a-a-y back before it became “acceptable…” Nope. He was a hypocrite.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm

PSEU’s gave about 88% of the contributions to Dems.

Which was completely dwarfed by the lopsided amount given to the GOP by corporate interests.

Pick your poison…

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm

DAVE

I’ll leave that tangle with the Bruin to you! :-)

Fred

February 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm

So Mrs. Lincoln? Except for that one thing, how was the play?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm

“I’ll leave that tangle with the Bruin to you! :-)

Chicken . . . !

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm

josef @6:15, good call!

As a born and bred Jayhawker, you KNOW how I feel about the topic!

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm

DAVE

Oh, I’m saving mine…like I said, the Jerry Forrest approach! :-)

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm

PSEU’s gave about 88% of the contributions to Dems.

Which was completely dwarfed by the lopsided amount given to the GOP by corporate interests.

So, that explains it!!!!! Painting Obama as anti-business and anti-capitalist gives the appearance that he’s trying to destroy the GOP’s primary funders. That makes it perfectly ok in a tactical sense to try to destroy the Democratic funding base. I see the whole picture now.

:)

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm

AmVet

:-) See my 6:23!

Jay

February 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm

freedom and liberty, Dave R? Yes, that’s what the war was about, certainly. You did get that much right.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm

Oh I’m sooooo relieved, Jay.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm

The turncoat Yankee leads with a right, and the Scalawag counters with a feint to the left! :-)

Fedup

February 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm

Are serious about cuttng the deficit? Now the budget is $3.7 trllion. Projected deficit is $1.3 trillion. So the budget should be $2.4 trillion. So tea partiers make your cuts. Please no excuses.

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm

“Disappointed? Why?”

“The Democrat Party”

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm

“Yeah, USMC, the unions are pushing card check so hard that the Dems didn’t even bring it to a vote when they had both houses of Congress.” Jay Bookman

Yeah Jay, I guess you were asleep during the campaign rally.
Here is the President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNVIQqatyU

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm

Fedup, please.

The tea partiers passed a 2011 budget (yeah, the one the Dems wouldn’t do) with over $60 billion in cuts for the remainder of this year. Not enough, but a better start than others have done. Now they an get to work on the 2012 budget.

Give them time. They have until October if they want to stay on schedule.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm

When are the Republicans going to get to work and actually do something other than say no. They’re so borrrrrring.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm

Doggone

If you mean “Democratic” Party…fine, I’ll follow that, but it is the party of Democrats…is it not? I dislike the use of the adjective there, however official it might be…i like the noun structure better…imho the party has moved from being the party of individuals wedded to the concept of being a Democrat and into the arena of “having the characteristics of…”

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm

“follow that, but it is the party of Democrats…is it not?”

Are “Republicans” the party of Republics?

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm

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February 22nd, 2011
6:51 pm

Jay:

“Scout, I’m on record several times as opposing card check.”

Good ! Then tell me why anyone would try to justify it?

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm

” Then tell me why anyone would try to justify it?”

Maybe because they have the nerve to disagree with Jay on the subject?

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February 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm

Doggone:

No ……….. because they are thugs and undemocratic and know they will usually lose if voting is accomplished secret ballot.

How much more “Un-American” can you get ?

And what would possess Obama to be for it?

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm

“Are “Republicans” the party of Republics?”

Not, it’s the party of……..

Never has a single line opened itself up to more wisecracks -

jconservative

February 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm

Lugar may be in trouble in the Republican Primary but he is a lock for re-election as an Independent.

Please recall the tea party types who nominated some numb loser as the Republican candidate for Senator only to have him lose to Murkowsky as a write in. A write in! And she stomped him.

Lugar will win his 6th term if he chooses to run.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm

Doggone

A Democrat is a person. A Republic is a political unit.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm

USMC dawg

from your link:
Similarly, the legislation would require hospitals, nursing homes and other health care facilities to report how many of their patients are illegal immigrants, what treatment they received, the cost and dates of that treatment and information on if and how they paid for their care. That information would be published annually on the state Department of Community Health’s website.

That would be a clear violation of legislation passed more than 10 years ago called the HIPPA law. Not only that, you’re actively cheering on adding additional regulations and burdens on places that already have enough regulation and paperwork to deal with.

Oh well, I guess burdensome regulations are ok if it’s not a business that pads your campaign coffers.

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February 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm

josef nix:

A Democracy is a political unit. A Republican is a person.

stands for decibels

February 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm

Scout, I’m on record several times as opposing card check.

yeah. How’s that working out for you?

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm

Scout

Most correctly, that would be a Republicanist…

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:04 pm

“Please recall the tea party types who nominated some numb loser as the Republican candidate for Senator only to have him lose to Murkowsky as a write in. A write in! And she stomped him.”

First, jconservative, the Murkowsky name was well-known throughout the state, and relatively favorably. Next, she almost won the GOP primary in the first place. Third, the Democrat in that race was pathetic, so independent voters had no place to go. Fourth, the Murkowsky was generously assisted by both Miller (in gaffs) and the mainstream media in their attempts to minimize the guy.

And finally, you have no idea who this person is that is challenging Lugar for the nomination. I suspect your powers of prognostication are no better that Punxatawney Phil or General Lee.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm

Scout zero….facts dont matter do they….see 5:37 and 5:49…..You want to talk about un-American, then talk about managment threats and interference with secret ballots.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
7:06 pm

No Soco, we need to identify the PARASITES/THIEVES and quantify how much they are STEALING from us, so people with their heads in the sand and intellectually dishonest people can’t deny the negative affect on our society.

I lived in LA and SAW hospitals CLOSED down because of the abuse from ILLEGAL ALIENS.

It is a great idea.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm

“That would be a clear violation of legislation passed more than 10 years ago called the HIPPA law.”

Maybe so. Don’t agree with the proposed legislation, but I’m not sure that the HIPPA provisions can be enforced in this regard as the people in question aren’t citizens of this country. Don’t know the law on this every well.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm

It’s a good thing we have Obama and the Democrats creating jobs and improving the economhy because the Republicans are not doing a thing to help this country.

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm

Taxpayer:

“When are the Republicans going to get to work and actually do something other than say no. They’re so borrrrrring.”

Kinda like the Dems in Wisconsin, huh?

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February 22nd, 2011
7:10 pm

Jay:

A Yankee soldier once captured a Confederate. He asked him, “why are you guys fighting us?”.

The Confederate replied, “it’s a ’cause yor downhaya”.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm

“You want to talk about un-American, then talk about managment threats and interference with secret ballots.”

There is NOTHING more American than standing up for your private property rights as a business owner and not allowing the tail to wag the dog.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm

Where is the Leftwing-Liberal outcry over the price of a gallon of gasoline????

$4 for a gallon of gas in California… I guess George Bush and his “evil” Oil Buddies are at it again.

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February 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm

Keep Up the Pillow Fight!

If that’s true it ain’t right either but in my opinion, union thugery is far worse.

I have seen it firsthand.

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm

Oh, and the conservatives don’t say ‘no.’ They say “Hell No!”

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
7:14 pm

“A Democrat is a person”

And a political party is NOT a person

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:14 pm

Taxpayer, again:

“…the Republicans are not doing a thing to help this country.”

They’re killing public unions and reducing spending. That counts I think.

A lot.

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February 22nd, 2011
7:15 pm

Dave R. :

Every union thug thinks the owner(s) money is his even though he (the thug) didn’t invest it.

Every once in awhile, when a thug union is causing problems I wish the owner would stand out in the parking lot at the start of the morning shift (with police escort of course) and say, “sorry folks, but you have been making such a fuss I ain’t making widgets anymore. The building is up for sale so go home and best of luck.”

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm

Oh, and F Lugar. I would rather a Tea Party candidate lose to a raging lib like Obama than elect him back to the Senate.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm

Scout Zero…and I have seen management thugery from inside the management office first hand and from any number of cases. One of the reasons that studies are made is because claimed personal experience, if truthful, may not represent reality but merely be a slice. I’ll be glad to put my prior personal experience as a management attorney in Wisconsin on labor matters against yours anytime. I suspect I saw a wider breadth of companies and cases and I know what was discussed behind closed doors on the management side.

But rather than rely on claimed experience which I cannot prove to you (as you cannot prove your “firsthand” experience) I provided published studies which demonstrate your claims are false and not supported by factual studies.

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm

Hey, numbers, I knew a guy who did that. He was an owner of a pleasure boat manufacturing company whose workers decided to unionize. He called them all together one morning and told them they were all fired, then closed his business (he was 68 years old). He laughs his ass off whenever he tells the story.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:22 pm

USMC

It might be a great idea to you, however in the eyes of the law, it’s illegal. Medical providers can not legally provide that kind of information. There’s this think called privacy that people here like. That’s one of those laws to protect privacy.

Dave

I don’t think HIPPA has anything to do with legal status. It’s all about protecting the privacy of patients and medical records. Any attempt to weaken it might lead to people trying to subpoena or open record request other people’s medical records. That’s one slippery slope I don’t want to see get greased up.

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:23 pm

Keep, you are a true BS artist. Do you think anybody actually buys your crap?

Well, maybe your libby friends….

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February 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm

Keep Up the Pillow Fight !:

Agree to Disagree.

Thanks for the input.

Signed:

Former Member,
Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen
Nickel Plate Railroad

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm

Republicans are such a joke. They have not balanced the budget or created any jobs except more government jobs for their friends and relatives and they still do nothing more than say no.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:25 pm

Sinkwich….you can believe what you want. However, I already posted links to the published studies to back up my claims. So frankly, I dont care what you think.

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February 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm

F. Sinkwich :

Careful ……….. he has a short fuse.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
7:27 pm

“It might be a great idea to you, however in the eyes of the law, it’s illegal. Medical providers can not legally provide that kind of information. There’s this think called privacy that people here like. That’s one of those laws to protect privacy.”

Yeah SOCO, I am sure you and your racist ancestors said the same thing about Slavery.

BUT It doesn’t make it right.

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm

He laughs his ass off whenever he tells the story.

No doubt a fine christian man.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm

Scout zero…we can disagree as to whether each of our experiences represent a larger reality. However you cannot disagree with the factual published studies.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm

Scout Zero…nice cheap shot, just your style.

jack bull

February 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm

sorry to be go off topic, but did i hear correctly that President Obama was on vacation again recently in Vail CO? just wondering….

TnGelding

February 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm

Lugar should prevail, but why not just retire? It’s probably time.

jack bull

February 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm

sorry to be ‘going’ off topic…

TnGelding

February 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm

No, that was the Mrs. and the kids.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm

(According to AFL-CIO calculations using Labor Department data, workers in right-to-work states make $5,333 less than their counterparts in non-right-to-work states.)

Just another case of Republican union envy so they’re trying to force unionized workers to work for less. Republicans are such losers. Demand a $5000 pay raise or move to a state with unionized workers so you too can make that extra $5000.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm

sorry to be go off topic, but did i hear correctly that President Obama was on vacation again recently in Vail CO? just wondering….

You should go ask him and report back.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm

“However you cannot disagree with the factual published studies.”

Actually, you can disagree with the studies, based on who did them, who they “interviewed”, etc, etc, etc.

F. Sinkwich

February 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm

Not mine, but you may be a member of a public employee union if:

10.) You take a week off to protest in Wisconsin and your office runs better.

9.) On a snow day when they say “non-essential” people should stay home you know who they mean.

8.) You get paid twice as much as a private sector person doing the same job but make up the difference by doing half as much work.

7.) It takes longer to fire you than the average killer spends on death row.

6.) The worse you do your job, the more your boss avoids you.

5.) You think the French are working themselves to death.

4.) You know by having a copy of the Holy Koran on your desk your job is 100% safe.

3.) You spend more time at protest marches than at church.

2.) You have a Democratic congressman’s lips permanently attached to your butt.

1.) You pay more in union dues than you do for your healthcare insurance.

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February 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm

Keep Up the Pillow Fight !

See …………… you have a short fuse.

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February 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm

F. Sinkwich :

LOL !!!

TnGelding

February 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm

“(According to AFL-CIO calculations using Labor Department data, workers in right-to-work states make $5,333 less than their counterparts in non-right-to-work states.)”

And as usual, we have the “lies, damned lies and statistics” portion of our program this evening, brought to us by the TaxCheat.

Maybe you could go back and do a bit of study for us, and find out if the right to work states in question have cost of living differences, job classification differences, etc. You know, like pertinent facts?

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm

SoCo

“Yeah SOCO, I am sure you and your racist ancestors said the same thing about Slavery”

How do you respond to THAT? Oy, gevalt??? :-)

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm

OK, Sinkwich, #5 is funny! :D

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:38 pm

Scout Zero…pointing out a personal dig as a cheap shot is a short fuse? Sorry. You lost another debate on facts as usual. So be it.

Disgusted

February 22nd, 2011
7:39 pm

Yeah SOCO, I am sure you and your racist ancestors said the same thing about Slavery.

It might interest you to know, USMC dawg, that SoCo is a black man, and I doubt that he had any racist ancestors in the sense you imply. Please, stop posting. You’re embarrassing many of the rest of us ex-Marines who don’t like to be thought of as knuckleheads.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm

josef @ 5:30 That was my sarcastic point :)

Dave R @ 6:13: Uh, they made their own Articles of Confederation, to REPLACE the Constitution. That document effectively made there be NO Federal government. And look how well that worked out for them.

You know, like pertinent facts?

As long as they don’t follow your pattern of failed attempts at getting pertinent facts, I’m cool with that.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm

Yeah SOCO, I am sure you and your racist ancestors said the same thing about Slavery.

Question for you jackass, how can my ancestors be racist when they were the ones being lynched, whipped, and raped???

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
—- Abraham Lincoln

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm

Disgusted

Don’t bet SoCo didn’t have any racist ancestors in the category you imply… :-)

Go shaking the family tree, ain’t no tellin’ what’ll fall out, eh, SoCo…

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February 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm

Pillow Fight !

If you say so and it will make you feel better ………………. yawn.

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm

“You’re embarrassing many of the rest of us ex-Marines who don’t like to be thought of as knuckleheads”

Yeah, well…we all know that saying about making ASSumptions…don’t we?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:42 pm

At the risk of sounding even MORE politically incorrect, josef, maybe SoCo can just channel Barbara Billingsley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=190iqepL-G4

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:43 pm

ADAM
Glad you’re still here…I caught that when I went back and re-read your post…my jerking knee got in the way. My apologies….

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm

josef

I learn more about me and my ancestors everyday… :)

Disgusted

Don’t worry, I’m a firm believer in one bad apple does not spoil the bunch. I had Marines in my family, and I know he doesn’t represent what a real Marine is by saying crap like that. I’ll pray for his forgiveness tonight before I lay my head down. It’s pretty damned obvious that he needs prayer. Maybe we all should pray for him.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm

I see Dumb R. is in his usual state of stupor. Borrrrring.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm

DAVE R
@7:42

One of my all time favorite scenes in any movie! You can imagine how that one tickled my professional nerve!

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:46 pm

Dave………

Damn bro, you didn’t have to pull the Babs card on me. That is one of my all-time favorite movie scenes. You got me in f’n tears!!!!!!!!!

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm

SoCo

Bless his pea pickin l’il heart!

Learn more about MY ancestors, too! Know what? Love them rotten apples…

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
7:48 pm

josef: I figured :) It’s cool.

Disgusted

February 22nd, 2011
7:48 pm

I see Dumb R. is in his usual state of stupor. Borrrrring.

Anybody know how to go about putting his wife in for the Medal of Honor? What a horrible trial it must be to live with such a dogmatic, utterly humorless, stale person!

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm

The billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million-dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.

Those Republicans do like to keep their supply of Koch near by so they will have ready access to it when they need another snort. They’re really addicted to that Koch.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm

josef

Did you know those two guys pretty much winged it and knew what each other was saying? I saw an interview with the two of them talking about that scene.

jack bull

February 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm

i should go ask the President himself if he was recently on vacation again? wow..

and when will the so-called Democrats start complaining about gas prices? or will they wait til they get to 5/gal? come on guys, it’s time y’all start squeaking, y’all know better than anybody that ole saying ’squeaky wheel gets the grease’…please, start now!!!!

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
7:53 pm

TaxPayer…Koch is also funding the tea party protestors through the Dick Armey astroturf too.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm

First they came for the Muslims, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Muslim

Then they came for the people on food stamps, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t on food stamps.

Then they came for the gays, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t gay.

Then they came for the women who had or might in the future have an abortion, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a woman.

Then they came for the unions, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t in a union.

Then they came for the research and development scientists, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a scientist.

Then they came for the atheists, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an atheist.

….

Can anyone else see where this is going? It’s an all out witch hunt! It’s national, and it’s being injected into local politics everywhere now.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm

“Don’t bet SoCo didn’t have any racist ancestors in the category you imply… :-)
Go shaking the family tree, ain’t no tellin’ what’ll fall out, eh, SoCo…”

My point exactly Josef. Thanks

And “Disgusted” I will continue to post until Jay asks me to stop; at which time I will respectfully comply with his wishes.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm

“What a horrible trial it must be to live with such a dogmatic, utterly humorless, stale person!”

Just goes to show, as usual, that you don’t know a damned thing about – anything, Disgusted.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm

jack

If gas hits $10, ain’t a damned thing we can do but either pay for it or walk. With all the stuff going on in the ME, we’re along for the ride just like the rest of the world. Should have listened to T. Boone and started using Nat Gas…..

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm

SoCo

I love dialect. The things you can say in dialect that, well, just don’t carry the same meaning in the “standard” language and then the assumption dialect speakers make that “those people” won’t know what we’re saying….

I was at the Cafe du Monde once when a really rude group of French tourists took to maligning the locals. They went on for a few minutes and then a lovely Creole lady goes over to their table and tells them in flawless academic French, “and some of us know when visiting others to be polite in their house. And, yes, they can not only understand you, they can speak the language and speak it correctly. You do not reflect well on your people.” Several around gave her polite applause and bows! The look on the tourists’ faces was something to behold!

jack bull

February 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm

or should we have listened to Newt and started to ‘drill here, drill now’?

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm

Gas prices are set by the free market. Why should the Democrats interfere with the free market.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:01 pm

USMC

It isn’t that I was trying to make your point with my sarcasm…SoCo and I have a running joke between us on just what is liable to fall out!

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm

“Gas prices are set by the free market. Why should the Democrats interfere with the free market.”

No, I thought gas prices were set by George Bush and his Oil Buddies?

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:02 pm

If BP had not plugged that Gulf well, we could have all had free oil. Darn those EPA people and Obama for demanding that oil well be plugged.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm

No, I thought gas prices were set by George Bush and his Oil Buddies?

Not since George broke up with that Saudi Prince.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm

Drilling here only puts oil on the open market. There’s no guarantee that it will stay here unless we’re the highest bidder. We do that, and we’re still paying $10 gas.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm

TaxPayer: Don’t forget the moratorium! Jobs are more important than an ecosystem, after all.

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm

What’s good for the oil companies is good for America.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm

BTW, what exactly is preventing us from taking our American oil companies and drilling wherever we damn well please, and not selling our oil to anyone except the U.S. Oh and btw we could use our Coast Guard and Navy to make sure no one else drills in our waters too. Why not?

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm

“It isn’t that I was trying to make your point with my sarcasm…SoCo and I have a running joke between us on just what is liable to fall out!”

I know Josef. I was just piggy-backing on your funny comment. And I was being facetious when I called him a racist. I obviously don’t know his race. “Negative Ned”, I mean Disgusted didn’t like it and wanted to revoke my visitor pass here on Jay’s Blog…

Thanks though:-)

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:07 pm

There would be plenty of oil for us were it not for those darn Chinese. We should invade them.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm

josef

As is understood, bigotry is bias against someone based on race, origin, or other characteristic. Anyone can be a bigot, regardless to their status in society. A racist, is a person who is bigoted against someone because of their race, and they have the power or influence to act on their bigotry against the other race. I might have someone way out in the family tree that had some kinda power to be racist. After all, we’ve discovered, African, Caucasian, and Cherokee ancestry on our family tree. Maybe USMC is that racist on my family tree that we haven’t found yet. Who knows????

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm

Adam, we have no American Oil companies. they merged
with BP.

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm

SoCo, You and USMC Bros or Bubbas?

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm

or should we have listened to Newt and started to ‘drill here, drill now’?

The trouble with that is Newt didn’t always have permission to drill where he was drilling. Just sayin’.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm

USMC

Understood. It is fun around here from time to time when we do such…early on I got called on the carpet for being anti Semitic and then a homophobe!

Of course, I’m not for banning anybody myself…

Adam

Have you read “The Seven Sisters?”

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
8:11 pm

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm

“…early on I got called on the carpet for being anti Semitic and then a homophobe!”

That’s hilarious Josef, as I recall you are both Gay and Jewish….

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm

So, how much did the Georgia Republicans slash HOPE. And how many tax cuts for corporations will it pay for.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm

josef: No. In fact, I cannot find a reference to a book title of that name.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm

Kam…noiw that is funny…..

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm

Kamchak, I thought Newt was kinfolk until I found out
it was just short for Newton.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm

SoCo
And what can happen when we approach the question with an open mind…I’ve said this before, but one of mine and Unmentionable’s “connections” is that during Removals my great-great grandfathers on both sides drew low numbers in the lottery and picked up some nice chunks of land and sent his great-greats packing and then, 150 years later, here he and I are…his white line goes back to William’s Day at the Beach, on the French side…my English line met them swords drawn, and a thousand years later…and so it goes.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:21 pm

Has Libya been blown up yet. What about Syria. They should really consider consolidating some of those little countries into one, like it used to be. They made the best Ottomans. Not like this junk from China.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm

Kamchak, I thought Newt was kinfolk until I found out
it was just short for Newton.

The Newtons! Is he related to the Figs.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:23 pm

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm

josef, if nothing else genealogy will make you stop and look
back and think of all the faceless ancestors that brought us
here. brings a little Shinto to the heart…

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm

barking frog

If I were to find out that I was kin to Newt, I believe that I would do my best to never disclose that. On second thought, I don’t believe that I would ever disclose that I had any inkling that I even might be related to him.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm

josef

I’d pay top dollar to see this in court….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_lLJjb1BBQ&feature=related

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm

Taxpayer, Figgetaboutit…

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm

“I’d pay top dollar to see this in court….”

As would I. :D

Golly!

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm

Kamchak, Newt is a legend in his own mind. Kin is o.k., not a choice,
just lock him in a back room.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm

Blood was ooonnnnnn!!!!!!!!

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm

my bad.

Check it bleed. Bro was ooonnnnnn!!!!!

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm

Frog

Snob that I am, my ancestors weren’t so faceless! Got a chance to see some of their portraits in the Louvre! And, man, lemme tell ya…them was some rotten apples! :-)

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm

Taxpayer, Figgetaboutit…

Done. In a Newt York minute.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:34 pm

SoCo–

I’d like to be the court-certified interpreter!

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm

Well, Obama and Cheney are cousins, you know….

Del

February 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm

Off Topic, well who really knows…This slime ball should have been convicted of murder one. The administration should strongly state that Sharia law practice is unacceptable in American society.

http://www.ajc.com/news/iraqi-man-convicted-in-848972.html

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
8:41 pm

Josef – I tried shaking my family tree, but nothing really exciting fell out. Just ordinary, what you might call “colonial” PA background: German and Scotch/Irish. And we don’t even go BACK as far as colonial times. About the most exciting thing was my great-grandmother – who was married by my great-grandfather, divorced him, married his business partner- who shot her and killed himself. She lived to be 98 with a bullet in her brain.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm

Del…now despite your paranoia…where does sharia law come into play? The man was convicted under appropriate state law and it does not even appear that the defense raised an issue of sharia law.

Foolishness.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm

I suppose the lack of a quorum is just as effective as Tom Price’s endless “I Object’s,” and a lot more appealing to the ears. That Tom Price has one of those shrieky irritating voices.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm

Doggone

Now that’s an ancestress to be proud of, I’d say! What’s really interesting to me is looking back to the scandals of my ancestors, recorded in the history books, and then those of my own immediate family, they’re so often the same thing in substance and outplay…I may have told you about my cousin J and I who collect these stories…he says we should put them together in a book and call it, “It’s a Long Way from Castle Caumont to Peddling (Vulgarity deleted here!) by The Railroad Tracks in Burnsville, Mississippi!”

barking frog

February 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm

josef, If you go back to A.D. 1 there’s still 4000 to go at
the smallest count…

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm

Josef…I’d buy that book!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm

About the most exciting thing was my great-grandmother – who was married by my great-grandfather, divorced him, married his business partner- who shot her and killed himself. She lived to be 98 with a bullet in her brain.

Are you sure we ain’t related, Doggone? Seems to me something like that happened way back in my family once or twice.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm

Keep up the pillow fight, You are among the biggest left wing jack asses on this blog. You at least make the top five. You never post anything of substance other than your ignorant rants, so I’ve stopped reading your posts sometime ago. You don’t like my opinions on Jay’s opinion blog move on to another one. I have no use for you.

DawgDad

February 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Last time I checked we live in a free society with no House of Lords. What’s the problem here, Jay?

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Doggone

We’ve actually begun working on it!

Frog
Not to worry…got it done…on Granddaddy’s side we’ve got Cuzzin’ Cleo who claims to have us back to Adam and Eve! He’s really not as far off as it might seem on the surface…long story, but the Reader’s Digest version…the line traces through Machir the Babylon, sent at Chalemagne’s request by the Babylonian Sanhedrin (seeing an opportunity to get rid of one of their members who was not quite so orthodox!) and from there the documentation does begin to get into a bit of the begats, but was from a family who stayed in Babylon after the repatriation way back when…and, well, it’s at about this point that Cousin Cleo gets a bit, well, addled!

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm

Long day tomorrow. Later!

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
9:01 pm

…so I’ve stopped reading your posts sometime ago.

Current evidence proves otherwise.

A joke that never gets stale.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:05 pm

Kamcrap, do you ever come up with anything original or do you only follow your leaders. Yes you are a joke.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
9:06 pm

It’s that time…day from h3ll on the horizon tomorrow…g’night

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
9:07 pm

Yes you are a joke.

Considering the source, I’ll accept the compliment.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
9:07 pm

Del…top 5! Yahooooooo! but really I am shooting for No. 1. And again, your paranoia notwithstanding, your post made no sense. Sorry you can’t deal with facts. Perhaps you need to talk to Scout Zero about your short fuse.

Mr. Snarky

February 22nd, 2011
9:11 pm

Why would you want a statesman to represent your state when you can have an ideological attack dog? Careful Indiana, you may be giving this one to the Dems as I would expect better turnout in 2012 than happened in 2010.

Mr. Snarky

February 22nd, 2011
9:12 pm

Del, if you stopped reading his posts, how do you know what he said? Your credibility is being reduced.

Mr. Snarky

February 22nd, 2011
9:14 pm

I never read anyone’s posts.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:18 pm

Del:

You’re on a roll. Fire Team rushes ?

Regarding my new handle, you know the first two MOS’s (two was enough ……….. :o .

The second set of numbers are federal law enforcement classification series.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm

Keep it up, yeah, you probably need to deal with a short fuse quite a bit, now don’t you. Comprehension clearly isn’t your strong suit but my comment dealt with an Iraq immigrant who practiced the Sharia law condoned honor killing practice that took the life of his daughter. The rest you probably don’t understand, however, most of us do.

Sharia Law

February 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm

I’m coming for your sooooooooooouuuuuuuullllllllll.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm

Snark, you’re like Kamcrap…you can only follow a leader. Can’t come up with anything original, can you?

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

February 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm

Yet another career politician. Can’t we just have TERM LIMITS? Every two years for a congressman is a joke – they spend the 2nd year campaigning. John Lewis also needs to go. How long can he ride the back of MLK?

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

Del…. personal attack now that you don’t read my posts. I fully comprehend irrational hatred and paranoia. See, I detected it in your posts and posted the truth. Sorry your short fuse did not take kindly.

Unlike you, I dont speak for most of the people here nor do I claim to know what they think or understand. But I am willing to give them more credit for seeing your irrational hatred as what it is. Anyway, don’t worry…I’ll be around to post the truth about your hatred and paranoia for all to see.

Thanks for the foolishness.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

0311, yeah, I can dig it. I had an 0311 and a 2533. Semper Fi. It seems the lib’s are really in desperation with falling approval numbers and their union donors making them look like fools, which of course they actually are.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm

Del:

We knew it wouldn’t stop didn’t we ?

” Barack Obama is being pressured by a team of activists to issue an executive order that would require the U.S. military to permit those individuals with a mental disturbance known as Gender Identity Disorder – including cross-dressers, drag queens, transsexuals, she-males and the so-called “intersexed” – to serve openly.

Lesbian, “gay,” bisexual and transgender activists only in the last few months have been successful in getting Congress to overturn a 1993 law banning homosexuals from open service in the military. That process still is continuing, as the change required military leaders to affirm there would be no problems with battle unit readiness and effectiveness.

Find out the machinations of the “gay” agenda, in “HOW EVIL WORKS: Understanding and Overcoming the Destructive Forces That Are Transforming America”

Now spearheading the new effort is the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, an activist group whose leaders want Obama issue an executive order to force the Pentagon to ban immediately discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity (code for transsexuals, cross-dressers, drag queens, and she-males).

The group wants the same “rights” for individuals who have mental disturbances known as a Gender Identity Disorder (GID) or Transvestic Fetishism – both listed as mental illnesses in the APA’s “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders” (DSM-IV-R).

LGBT activists on college campuses across the U.S. also are attacking the military and the ROTC for banning of transgendered and intersexed individuals from service. “

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm

Sharia Law:

I’m rrrreeeeaaaadddddyyyyy !

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm

Del:

“Pirates claim they only killed hostages after Navy shot at them first.”

Ah ……………… like that makes a difference ?

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm

0311, yes, the lefts goal of dismantling America.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:32 pm

Del:

There’s pleanty of them here.

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
9:32 pm

Del,,,ahh still reading my posts, I see. I never said you hated me. I said you have irrational hatred for example, hatred for those of a different faith.

As for “azz hole”, really you do have to do better. I am an attorney. I get called much worse every day. Then again, its usually the other side. I would imagine a few on this blog think the same or worse of you.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm

0311, I’d sure like to be a brig guard on that Navy boat where they’re holding that slime. I’d red line them every 15 minutes.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm

“Iraqi Immigrant Dad Convicted of ‘Honor Killing’ ”

“Faleh Hassan Almaleki convicted of second-degree murder for running over and killing his daughter in a case prosecutors called an `honor killing.’ ”

PHOENIX – “A jury convicted an Iraqi immigrant of second-degree murder Tuesday for running over and killing his daughter in a case prosecutors called an `honor killing.’

Faleh Hassan Almaleki, 50, also was convicted of aggravated assault for injuries suffered by the mother of his daughter’s boyfriend during the October 2009 incident in a suburban Phoenix parking lot.

Prosecutors told jurors during the trial that he mowed down 20-year-old Noor Almaleki with his Jeep Cherokee because she had brought the family dishonor by becoming too Westernized. He wanted Noor Almaleki to act like a traditional Iraq woman, but she refused an arranged marriage, went to college and had a boyfriend.”

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!:

Have you ever done any criminal defense work?

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm

Keep, you keep addressing your posts to me, so of course I’ll read them. Think the same or worse of me?…probably but I can live with it. Have a nice evening.

atlas shrugging

February 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm

I love it when DEM-wit parasites call the REP-ugnants stupid and backward when the have to steal
from them via taxes just to survive…if they were as intelligent as they think they are they wouldn’t have to live off of the governmment. DEM-wits parasites are simply takers not makers.

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm

Shorter Del: I love playing cowboys and indians.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm

Kamcrap, I’ll bet you do but shouldn’t you be looking for a job?

Mongo

February 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm

Geez, the cons here don’t even know that a republic is a representative democracy. Yes, the United States IS a democracy. Further proof that home schooling has it’s drawbacks.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm

Del:

I wonder if Qaddafi has designed a new uniform for his trip to Venezuala ?

What a buffoon !

Mongo

February 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm

After farmer welfare, corporate welfare, and tax rates for unearned income that are far lower than what working people have to pay, the Cons still have the nerve to call anyone a parasite. Pot meet kettle.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:51 pm

Mongo:

I think all that was being debated earlier is that the U.S. is NOT a pure democracy (which no one would want) but is as you say a Constitutional Republic/Representative Democracy.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:52 pm

Mongo:

That would be a conservative leech. They suck as much as the can and then drop off.

Liberal parasites stay and are almost impossible to get rid of.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:54 pm

0311, Mongo (probably a name a name changer) doesn’t understand that.

JKL2

February 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm

0311- Why don’t you focus on the Democrats. There’s a lot of juicy stuff out there !

Because evidently the only thing the Democrats are interested in running is the Holiday Inn of Burr Ridge.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:57 pm

JKL2 :

You lost me on that one.

Say again your last over …………………….

Del

February 22nd, 2011
9:57 pm

0311, Qaddafi, could catch a bullet just about anywhere now. I think he’s laying chilly right now.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm

He’ll be like Saddam hiding in a hole in the ground.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm

Del

February 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

JKL2, kind of like…I don’t know how to be an elected official but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm

“After farmer welfare, corporate welfare, and tax rates for unearned income that are far lower than what working people have to pay, the Cons still have the nerve to call anyone a parasite. Pot meet kettle.”

Mongo, there is no such thing as Corporate welfare.

Corporations and farmers produce… the welfare parasites sit at home with their hands out producing nothing but babies, but collecting REdistributed money from the producers in our society via an unfair tax system…

JKL2

February 22nd, 2011
10:05 pm

0311- Holiday Inn of Burr Ridge.

The place where all the Democrats from Wisconsin and Ohio are hanging out at instead of going to work. No worries though as the tax payers are still going to get stuck picking up the whole tab.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
10:07 pm

0311, as it has often been said, first to go, last to know.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
10:17 pm

Well Taps for this old former Recon Marine.

getalife

February 22nd, 2011
10:26 pm

Rahm won his dream job.

“, there is no such thing as Corporate welfare.”

New to politics?

D ead wrong.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
10:34 pm

JKL2 :

I got it now. Yep ………. they’ll even fleece the taxpayers for that !

Lil' Barry Bailout

February 22nd, 2011
10:44 pm

Why isn’t the Idiot Messiah doing anything about the skyrocketing price of gasoline?

getalife

February 22nd, 2011
10:47 pm

lil bear,

Perhaps you cons should of listened to President Carter.

Lil' Barry Bailout

February 22nd, 2011
10:52 pm

President Carter–second worst in history, after your Idiot Messiah.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
11:01 pm

“Wisconsin Senate Republicans to withhold Democrats’ pay”

Har! Har!

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
11:07 pm

Hey, what’s this from a super liberal Democrat ???

” Harry Reid: ‘The time has come for us to outlaw prostitution’ ”

” …… saying it is an impediment to economic development because it discourages businesses from moving here.”

Does he mean ………… like …………….. “capitalist” businesses or government controlled businesses ?

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
11:08 pm

0311: I really don’t think that’s going to change their minds…

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
11:09 pm

Also 0311: It’s hard to tell what he means, what is the context?

Mr. Snarky

February 22nd, 2011
11:29 pm

“Why isn’t the Idiot Messiah doing anything about the skyrocketing price of gasoline?”

Sorry but W isn’t President any more…he can’t do much.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2011
11:36 pm

Scout,

Trying to withhold their pay might work, but cutting off their state credit cards would probably be quicker.

Hoosiers

February 23rd, 2011
12:15 am

Lugar is part of the old guard GOP that rubberstamped everything that imbecile Bush wanted for eight years. It is time for him to go and begin his lobbyist career. His namesame German Lugar pistol will live on long after he’s forgotten.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
5:53 am

mornin’.

An angle that, frankly, I hadn’t really considered much, before, but how much of this latest assault on public unions is driven by sexism? After all, the group conservatives hate the very very most are the teachers’ union, and I have to think that its majority female membership makes it all the more easy to hate.

Jack

February 23rd, 2011
5:53 am

It’s time for Lugar to go.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
5:56 am

oh yeah, and this.

Dear President Obama,

I get it.

I do.

There’s no real upside to you flying out to Madison, or Columbus, or anywhere worker’s rights are threatened. After all, unions already support you, and union members already vote for you in the majority if not the overwhelming majority, so what do you personally have to gain?

Moreover, if you did insert your grand self into a state battle here, or there, or anywhere, you run the risk of looking bad. You run the risk of shaking some protester’s hand and that protester later going on to do something mean, and then you just got your picture taken with him and what does that mean? You run the risk of all kinds of things like that happening, of being associated with a movement that may not be perfect, and we all know how much our conservative-friendly media loves to find just one jerk and use him or her to tar everyone in the general vicinity. There’s an enormous potential downside to you jumping into this fray. So I get it.

Nevertheless, get your ass on a plane or a train or a bus right the hell now.

Gandalf, the Wise!

February 23rd, 2011
5:57 am

Barry, :-)
HE’S SCARY!:-)

Dave R.

February 23rd, 2011
6:27 am

All you can say about this is, “Holy CRAP!”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110222/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_billboard_flap_jonestown_3

What were they thinking . . .?

Dave R.

February 23rd, 2011
6:28 am

“An angle that, frankly, I hadn’t really considered much, before, but how much of this latest assault on public unions is driven by sexism?”

Maybe you didn’t consider it much because the concept is a joke?

Chris Sanchez

February 23rd, 2011
6:40 am

Politicians of all political persuasions are like diapers and should be changed often for the same reason!

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
6:43 am

“Politicians of all political persuasions are like diapers and should be changed often for the same reason!”

And it’s easy…don’t vote for them the next time

[...] primary election, …Mourdock fires first official salvo at LugarEvansville Courier & PressIndiana GOP appears ready to shove Dick Lugar overboardAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Mourdock Challenges LugarAmerican Conservative MagazineThe Hill [...]

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:12 am

Maybe you didn’t consider it much because the concept is a joke?

Feel free to explain why you feel that way.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
7:14 am

When are the Republicans going to get busy and do something. They’re the Party of No Results. That Walker fella has now had to back track on his earlier lie about laying off 6000 people. Now he only needs to lay off 1500. What a loser.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:15 am

What were they thinking . . .?

They were thinking that the shorthand expression “drinking the Kool-Aid” has, regrettably, become so ensconced in our everyday discourse that everyone had forgotten about the tragic, horrifically violent event that precipitated it. Apparently they thought wrong.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2011
7:16 am

TaxPayer – if you want to see something interesting, search around for information on Scott Walker and the firing of courthouse guards in Milwaukee County. This isn’t the first time he’s tried this trick.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:20 am

Pretty good take on why this treasurer feels he needs to take on Lugar here.

Basically, it seems Lugar “has to go” because he hasn’t voted like a complete [bleep]nut.

While Mr. Mourdock praised Mr. Lugar’s service, he argued that the senator had strayed from conservative principles, by sponsoring the Dream Act, which would grant a path to citizenship for limited groups of illegal immigrants, for his support of the new Start treaty on arms control, his support for auto bailouts, his vote against the elimination of earmarks, and his votes for President Obama’s picks for the Supreme Court, Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

Del

February 23rd, 2011
7:31 am

What’s knocking off Lugar was his support for the Dream Act, as well it should.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
7:31 am

I just love these people who think that going farther and farther to the right (not to mention, having a purity test) will make the general public embrace them.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:31 am

Yes, Del, you’re right. as the piece put it, “the senator had strayed from conservative principles, by sponsoring the Dream Act ”

Enabling productive, law-abiding, decent people who want to serve in our military and/or go to college to become American citizens, apparently, is “straying from conservative principles.”

Of course, whatever someone does could be said to “stray from conservative principles,” because as far as I can tell, conservatives HAVE no principles. None. Nothing above and beyond winning the next round, by any means necessary.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:33 am

will make the general public embrace them.

they never cared a rat’s ass about the “general public.” they only care about managing one vote more than the competition in a given race. That’s what 30+ years of wedge issue politics is all about.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:36 am

DGA @ 7.16, I trust you’re speaking about this…

http://westorlandonews.com/2011/02/22/gov-scott-walker-past-privatization-disasters-unmasked/

After firing the guards, Walker hired private security contractor Wackenhut G4S to provide security services at the Courthouse, as well as two other venues in the county, under a $1.1 million contract.

If the name Wackenhut sounds familiar, it’s because it is the parent company of the ArmorGroup, the firm hired by the Bush Administration to guard the American Embassy compound in Kabul, Afghanistan with horrible and embarrassing results.

In September 2009, the Project on Government Oversight released about a dozen photographs showing Wackenhut/ArmorGroup nearly naked security contractors guards engaging in sexually charged antics while drunk. In one practically X-rated photo, a guard is seen pouring liquor onto another’s employee’s buttocks while a third employee laps the vodka off the first guy’s buttocks. The photos were obtained by other ArmorGroup employees who complained that they were regularly subjected to deviant hazing and humiliation. The explosive “Embassy-Guards-Gone-Wild scandal,” also dubbed “Animal House in Afghanistan,” put the embassy compound in jeopardy and deeply embarrassed the U.S. State Department. On February 20, 2010, in a now-standard corporate PR ploy to escape the ill effects of a disabling scandal, the Wackenhut Security company officially changed its name to G4S.

Walker’s strategy of firing the union security guards to cope with a contrived “budget emergency” went awry. Just last month, on January 10, 2011, an arbitrator ruled that the county did not have a true budget crisis at the time Walker fired the guards, and county officials failed to give the union representing the guards a chance to propose alternative cost-saving measures before laying them off. The arbitrator also said the annual savings Walker claimed the county would realize from privatizing courthouse security was overstated.

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
7:37 am

So, in the past, the people running HOPE were paid millions in salary and bonuses for their hard work in bringing in all those revenues. What happened. Were the past high revenues really just a reflection of the times, when the people playing had money in their pockets. Now that they do not have the jobs and the money to blow, lottery sales are down. Do those people that claim to have made all those past revenues possible offer any explanation for their failures. Do they take a pay cut for their failures. Do they get fired for their failures. They failed our children. They should give back those huge salaries and bonues because they were based on lies.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
7:38 am

dB – 7:33 – damn. well said!

sherondoo

February 23rd, 2011
7:42 am

“That Walker fella has now had to back track on his earlier lie about laying off 6000 people. Now he only needs to lay off 1500. What a loser.”
———————————————————————-
1500 by July, an additional 4500 over the course of 2 or 3 years. Total: 6000. Get your facts straight, loser.

Mick

February 23rd, 2011
7:42 am

Well, scratch off new zealand as a list of alternate countries to live in. I can deal with hurricanes but when the ground beneath you starts rummbling, where do you go?

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:43 am

UnU, do you think that my suspicion that sexism is a distinct part of the assault on public sector unions, or do you think it’s just along for the ride, so to speak?

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2011
7:44 am

That sentence @ 7.43 needed an “is correct,” but you know what I mean…

USinUK

February 23rd, 2011
7:44 am

woohoo! fresh Gingrichy sheets!

TaxPayer

February 23rd, 2011
7:45 am

Maybe Walker is looking to get those layed off ArmorGroup personnel new jobs. Non-union teaching positions perhaps. They could always teach the children about Toga parties and other valuable life skills.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2011
7:46 am

Look a this face; it is but another example of the right wing’s hate-filled and bigoted vigilante mentality

(CNN) — Arizona jurors decided an anti-illegal immigration activist — portrayed as the ringleader of a hit squad — should receive the death penalty for the killings of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter, a court spokeswoman said Tuesday.

The Pima County jury’s decision, which was unanimous, is binding.

If the jury had not voted for the death penalty, the judge would have decided whether Shawna Forde should have received life with a chance of parole after 35 years or life with no possibility of parole.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/22/arizona.double.killing/index.html?hpt=T2

metoo

February 23rd, 2011
8:19 am

I wish the republicans would go after the lobbyist they same way the attack the unions.

patriot

February 23rd, 2011
8:37 am

Be sure there’s a heavy weight around his neck when you do Indiana. We don’t want him coming back like so many other horror movie characters.

Lil' Barry Bailout

February 23rd, 2011
9:01 am

I take libbtards very seriously when they start expressing concern that Republicans might do something to threaten their control of some elected office.

Dave R.

February 23rd, 2011
9:41 am

stands, I think it is the easy way out for many of you libs in trying to turn what is to many a principled argument into something simple (sexism) so that you are capable of understanding it.

I know you have a hard time when being challenged by people who actuallty believe in things, but you’re not going to get much sympathy for this little diversion.

joe

February 23rd, 2011
9:52 am

I don’t care how long these GOP senators have been in office, if they are not going to vote for spending cuts, and lots of em, they need to be replaced by Tea Party reps who will. This debt isn’t going to cure itself…and NO Dem will do anything about it either cause their political lives depend on getting contributions from unions, who are sucking the marrow out of the USA bone with their benefits and pensions.

Adam

February 23rd, 2011
11:34 am

Lil’ Barry Bailout

February 22nd, 2011
10:52 pm

President Carter–second worst in history, after your Idiot Messiah.

Ayn Rand was never president

Lil’ Barry Bailout

February 22nd, 2011
10:44 pm

Why isn’t the Idiot Messiah doing anything about the skyrocketing price of gasoline?

Because she is dead.