Indiana GOP appears ready to shove Dick Lugar overboard
“If Dick Lugar, having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”
– John Danforth, former three-term Republican senator from Missouri and UN ambassador under President George W. Bush, in a November 2010 interview
“Today, with their permission, I present you with the names of the 77 percent of the Republican chairman of Indiana who are willing today to support me in this campaign. What’s important to note also, is that the remaining twenty-three percent are not telling me they’re committed to Mr. Lugar; they simply have a policy of not endorsing in a primary…. Honorable Chairmen, Republican leaders, Tea Party activists and friends, we must begin, because it IS OUR time, and so I’m proud to announce to you my candidacy for the United States Senate on behalf of the Great People of the Great State of Indiana!”
– Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, announcing his 2012 primary challenge to Lugar
In 2006, Lugar won re-election with 87 percent of the vote; the Democrats didn’t even bother to put a name on the ballot against him. In his previous three Senate elections, Lugar won with at least a 2-to-1 margin of victory.
But if Mourdock really does have the public commitment of three-quarters of Indiana’s GOP chairman — and there’s no evidence on which to question his claim — Lugar is in big trouble in next year’s primary.
– Jay Bookman
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buck@gon
February 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm
Oh, this is just Tearrrrible!!!!
Dick …. who?
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm
jm:
“Well. You can expect Americans to start arming themselves when sailing abroad now….”
Negative. Most countries would arrest you if you stray into their waters or make port.
Bill Orvis White
February 22nd, 2011
4:45 pm
It’s time for new blood in Indiana. Lugar is an old-line has-been who is out of touch with the modern, dynamic rightful patriotic tea party Republicans who are thankfully taking the party over.
All over the country tea party patriots are organizing in a cohesive fashion that is modeled after the Honorable President Ronald Wilson Reagan’s vision for the party – which is a strong commitment to low/no taxe$, school vouchers in all 50 states, God in whatever public schools are left and in all public buildlings, dismantling of the secular Department of Education, expansion of our military and the eradication of the socialistic Environmental Protection Agency.
Mr. Reagan would be so proud of today’s tea partyers who are standing up the injustices of Big Government and ARE WINNING!
It’s hilarious what’s happening in Wisconsin! Tea party patriots are drowning out the socialistic union thug organizers! Even Hussein Obama is getting in on the act and he’s failing, thank the Lord! Governor Walker is staring down the agitators and it’s a fact that he won’t back down! These lazy Communist cheeseheads are going to have to take a pay reduction and skip the stupid collective bargaining or else the honorable governor will have to fire each and every one of their good-for-nothing butts. I pray that the latter will happen because these Godless souls need to pack their bags and go up to Canada or down to Cuba where they can suck off another’s government’s teet. I also pray that Governor Walker could get each of those Socialist-Democrats impeached.
Back to Lugar: Was he really a Republican? If so, that was long mistake. He looks very weak. There are a few bad apples in the bunch, that’s for sure.
Amen,
Bill
Amen,
Bill
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
4:46 pm
“No need to thank me”
Nor engage you in useless debate.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Dear Dusty @ 3:43, thanks for the laugh. Have you noticed that Jay is strangely-constrained on the Wisconsin stuff? His heart is not in the left-side on that one.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Dave
If you check history, there were many who would not cut the mustard for “experience”. I care less about the POTUS’s experience versus his picks to make up his administration. His experience would be relevant if the POTUS is a micro-managing fool who tries to make each and every decision on his own. However, the POTUS is usually surrounded by a competent staff of advisors who specialize in knowledge in the areas they offer advice in. Those are the people who’s experience I worry about.
Dusty
Half of my academy class had never fired a handgun before our first day on the range. I understand how everyone puts a premium on experience. My question is, “How do you get experience if you never have the opportunity or chance to do the job in the first place?” I know enough that sometimes the best shooters are the one’s who have never shot a gun before. They don’t have any bad habits to break, and they are like working with a blank sheet of paper. It’s far easier to teach someone the proper way to do something if they don’t have any bad habits to counter.
Also Dusty, my career goal is to become an instructor at the basic academy so that I can teach the job. Whether I’m teaching immigration, customs, or firearms really doesn’t matter to me. I enjoy watching someone’s face light up when they learn something new or different.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
4:51 pm
Scout 4:45 – I know. Or you can check arms when making port. But with this BS going on, what other choice is there?
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Dusty, I misspelled it on purpose. (For dramatic Dan Quayle effect!)
Potato….chip…..
Funny.
As far as presidential qualifications, I do think they are somewhat important.
But for me the true test is character. The difficulty is in really knowing. The career politicans have armies of people to message their resumes and redact out a lot of the ugliness.
So it’s only after the race that people learn that that guys like John Edwards are philandering sleazeballs…
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
4:52 pm
Dave
Don’t get me started on Johnson! But that’s for another time. I will be among the first to say that President Obama is in over his head, but he’s by no means the first and, again in my opinion, is by no means the least qualified by background to be there.
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
From USAToday:
“The public strongly opposes laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions as a way to ease state financial troubles, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.
The poll found that 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to one being considered in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.”
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Scout Zero….let’s be clear…you claim that WI gov has excluded these unions because they put their lives on the line and not to reward his political support from those same unions. If your distinction were true, the correctional guards would be included (not conceding your “order of risk” but you acknowledge their lives are on the line. Therefore your distinction to distinquish the unions exempted by the WI gov fails because it does not include all of the union employees who risk their lives. Once your distinction fails, we go back to the only real distinction….who endorsed the governor.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
4:55 pm
All over the country tea party patriots are organizing in a cohesive fashion that is modeled after the Honorable President Ronald Wilson Reagan’s vision for the party – which is a strong commitment to low/no taxe$, school vouchers in all 50 states, God in whatever public schools are left and in all public buildlings, dismantling of the secular Department of Education, expansion of our military and the eradication of the socialistic Environmental Protection Agency.
If that is, indeed, the Tea Party’s vision, just how friggin large does the military need to be? If you want low/no taxes, who’s going to pay for this expansion and upkeep of the military? I guess the military fairies will just pixie dust that vision into being….
retired early
February 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
Off topic
Looks like ol’ Boehner is not missing his wife back home much. I am impressed…at 61 he can handle a threesome. Wow…..doom doom doom doom…”another bites the dust”…doom doom doom doom…another one bites the dust… yeah”.
On topic
Anyone on this blog who is an employee, stands to lose ground financially, if these unions are busted. If you have been lead to believe the opposite…you have been duped.
The middle class grew as a direct result of unions beginning in the 1940’s, and without them, we are headed right back there again.
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
AmVet
What you said about test of character…yes. And that test can be approached from any number of factors.
SoCo
And I am with you on the advisors/cabinet thingie…the POTUS is at best a cheerleader for his team…
jm
February 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
As always, I guess we continue to poll the uneducated likely voters and unlikely voters alike.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
Paul, thus far no one is a bad a President as Obama is.
Lincoln had more elected office experience, some military experience in a militia, and he actually had business experience, especially when it came to what happens when one fails. However, as far as I’m concerned Lincoln failed to realize the implications of an oppressive Federal government on the backs of people who wanted more freedom. And while I didn’t agree with his choice, I respected his leadership abilities in prosecuting the unpleasantness of the 1860’s.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Scout 4:45 – I know. Or you can check arms when making port. But with this BS going on, what other choice is there?
Stay out of the area until somebody’s Navy takes permanent care of the situation.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man), good point.
And to your point about rookies being good shots.
If I’ve told this story before, forgive me.
When my son was in the Boy scouts, me and two other men took about 20 boys up to Kentucky for a week long camp out. There were activities for the boys everyday and sometimes they included the adults. But there were activities for the adults only as well.
One of them was a skeet shoot competition.
Me and one of the other men represented our troop. There were probably 10 – 12 teams, and lo and behold we won the thing!
My partner was ex-Army and a damn good shot. And I’m good enough I didn’t drag him down too much.
Afterward, some of us were sitting around and gabbing and somebody complimented me on my shooting and asked how often I shot skeet.
I smiled and told them the truth, “This was my first time.” They just howled with laughter.
What can I say? Us country boys know how to relax, line up a target, even if it’s moving, and squeeze the trigger. (Don’t pull the damn thing! You’ll miss every time.)
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm
josef
That’s why I understood your angst over Obama having Warren as part of the inauguration ceremonies. It’s not always the decision as much as it is the people around the decision maker.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
Jay. Either, A, Walker disagrees with the Poll. Or, B, he’s willing to do what’s right and suffer the political consequences. I don’t care. He’s doing the right thing. There’s no place for public employee unions, and in my opinion – unions in general, in this country in this day and age.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
AmV
If we ever get a chance to share a brew, I’ll have to tell you how I was taught to squeeze the trigger instead of pulling it. I couldn’t do it service even if I tried to type it out here.
Gotta run for a few…. I’ll check back in for the (D)/(R) bashing later…
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
“Nor engage you in useless debate”
Always the best choice when you know you’re in the wrong. Wise of you.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
SoCo 5:00 –
wish that were so. Not likely. This will be naval whack a mole…
Dusty
February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
RAGNAR,
Bookman restrained on the Wisconsin affair? Only until he can find another promising poll.
AMVET
You MEANT to misspell potato for effect? Yeah…Uh huh… OK …If you say so., POTATOE!
SOCO,
You will be a great teacher. Teach ‘em right! (What did Jimi Hendrix say. “Can’t get no experience!)??
JOSEF,
What did you say? “One brought through the ranks of Chicago ! That qualifies him to play the game.”
Well, I guess Al Capone would have made a good president. According to you, he was QUALIFIED!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
There’s no place for public employee unions, and in my opinion – unions in general, in this country in this day and age.
Come spend a month or so with me, and you’d probably do a 180 turn……… It’s all about perspectives.
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
jm, if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Keep Up the Pillow Fight!:
Like the Dems. have never done something like that? Laughable !
However, I must agree to disagree with your analysis.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Yeah Labor Unions! Yeah Corrupt Monopolies!
larry
February 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
So Boehner is involved with not one , but two women? I can just hear Newt. Yeahhhhhhhhhhh!!! thats the way buddy..!!
I guess he’s going to do some deficit cutting of his own.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
jm:
Some countries you can check weapons and some not. Try going into British Commonwealth countries with weapn …………. you go to jail.
Bottom line is they shouldn’t have been there.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Jay, if I’m in a “union shop” state, I don’t have a choice. But don’t worry, it won’t happen. I for one believe joining a union should be voluntary, and paying dues should be voluntary, just like all non-governmental organizations are in this country. Or should we make states “church-shops” and dictate that everyone has to go to the Southern Baptist church and pay dues to the church.
Economic freedom is as important as religious freedom.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Jay:
“if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.”
Good grief jay, you can’t be serious?
Most unions you join or else !
If it were truly a free choice without thug intimidation there probably wouldn’t be a third of the unions there are now.
I was a member of one once …………. I know how they operate.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
AmVet, I had never shot a rifle before going to basic training in the Air Force. After the obligatory practice rounds, the TI allowed us to empty the magazine (still in single shot) without interruption.
I had a nice, grapefruit-sized grouping on my target, but it ended up being, oh, about a foot and a half too low.
My TI tapped me on the shoulder and simply said, “Son, your man ain’t dead, but he sure wishes he was . . .”
larry
February 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
I guess he’s going to do some crying alright.
Eric Cantor …………….front and center
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
Scout – as I understand it, you need to declare it to the authorities before arrival. Not a problem I need to deal with right now…. but there are a lot of other people on the high seas that will be rethinking this.
The Navy needs to squash this. Or people are going to arm themselves for protection. The ransom payers are the ones that have ultimately created this industry.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
“if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.”
Would that the teachers in Wisconsin had that choice. . .
Haven’t you ever heard that drive-by comments are usually subject to ridicule?
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Scout Zero…as a former managment attorney representing companies trying to bust unions, I can assure you that the thug tactics were management side.
RW-(the original)
February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
Only until he can find another promising poll.
Dusty,
Scroll up 14 minutes from that comment of yours.
/No link though, so I guess I’ll go do a little poking around to see how badly skewed this poll is.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
I bet said voters in the poll don’t approve of the Democrats running away to stop the wheels of government and democracy.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
My TI tapped me on the shoulder and simply said, “Son, your man ain’t dead, but he sure wishes he was . . .”
Now that’s hysterical. It reminds me of the old sensei joke, “The flies lives but he will no longer reproduce!”
I too, did real well at the firing range. No sharp shooter, but I could also ruin one of the bad guy’s day!
It’s likely that Jay will have it as a topic soon, but I see the new governor has made some changes to the HOPE scholarship. It appears to be a good compromise.
Moderate Line
February 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
But if Mourdock really does have the public commitment of three-quarters of Indiana’s GOP chairman — and there’s no evidence on which to question his claim — Lugar is in big trouble in next year’s primary.
+++
Without some polling information I can’t draw a conclusion.
USMC dawg
February 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
“jm, if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.”- jay
Easy to say, but Again, not reality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVQJNMOSFMI
Dusty
February 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
Larry, 5:14
Quit reading THE ENQUIRER. You are too young and impressionable to read such whacked out trash.
Didn’t you see the sign? Beware! Democrats at Work!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
Keep up the Pillow Fight!:
By volume of thugery agree to disagree.
Moderate Line
February 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
jm, if you don’t like unions … don’t join one.
+++++
That is only applicable in right to work states. This is like saying if you don’t like taxes don’t pay them. The power of monopoly power will soon be on you.
http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm
Adam
February 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
where the religious right was gently moved aside so that Tea Party candidates without the social conservative baggage could gain office.
OH! That explains why there are no bills being presented that have anything to do with religious beliefs!
chuck @ 4:23: Ok that explains the motivation behind wanting this to be a qualification. But I don’t think you need to be management or even the head of a private business, or in charge of some payroll, as your only way of gleaning this perspective.
Of course government has some affect on private business but it does beg the question what kind of reaction you expect. It seems to me to be that the ideal would be to have this qualification (cause) and then because of that knowledge you have, you will necessarily agree that government should keep its hands off so much that if you, a reasonable person, were running the business you would be comfortable and do the right thing.
But what if you’re not a reasonable business person? What if you are rather unsuccessful at running your business, or if you are trying to squeeze every penny of profit out of the business by making sure your workers work for as little pay and for as few hours as possible. So on and so on.
Basically, what if you run your business like the people on Wall Street did that caused the financial crisis in the first place? I know people like to blame government for that but it was LACK of government regulation that led to the housing mortgage problem, not too much of it. And I’m not saying this is the only scenario under which lack of oversight causes a problem. I can point to quite a few.
I realize that as a business owner or management, you might not like rules, but there are those who have power that try to get away with things that are borederline criminal sometimes, both in the public AND private sector. There does need to be oversight in both areas.
I also realize that was a long rant but I’ll stop there.
Paul @ 4:43p: Well, Lincoln was honest, of course. Obama is just a dirty liar. Or so the propagnada machine on both issues would have you believe.
Dave R: To use your baseball analogy, there’s really only one game played the entire season that involves only what one might consider “qualified” players. That’s the All-Star game. Not all qualified people exist in every possible area of government at any one time. Chances are, when you end up with only two choices, you aren’t necessarily going to end up with either of them being “qualified.” Despite their taste in running mates, even.
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
DUSTY
Would Al Capone have made a good president? Well, he came up through the ranks of the Chicago ciminals and, let’s get real, they ran a pretty tight and effective ship. And JFK certainly had his, uh, connections. LBJ ran his whole administration along the lines of the mafia and he got an awful lot done.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
jm:
You can’t even “check them” by requesting it ahead of time into a British Commonwealth country.
They are so anti-gun its pathetic.
They just won’t do it and there are a lot of them out there.
getalife
February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
Lets say the cons win knocking off the competition for corporate.
What will they come for next?
You.
They will make you work for chinese wages and make you buy their crap.
Is this the government you want cons?
RW-(the original)
February 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
I think USA Today may have buried the lead.
71% oppose increasing sales, income or other taxes while 27% are in favor that approach.
Although the poll just says it was 1,000 adults and gives no further background so it’s that grain ‘o salt thingie.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
josef:
I sure hope this one is true :
Abraham Lincoln once asked General (Winfield) Scott the question:
“Why is it that you were once able to take the City of Mexico in three months with 5,000 men, and we have been unable to take Richmond with 100,000 men?”
“I will tell you,” said General Scott. “The men who took us into the City of Mexico are the same men who are keeping us out of Richmond.”
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
Obama, the big spending, pro-union, anti-growth liberal. I just don’t see how this guy gets re-elected in this country. But I’ve been wrong before. It will be interesting to see what happens.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
Jay:
And I suppose the Democrats push for “card check” instead of a secret ballot would make joining unions more voluntary?
That has “thugery” written all over it !
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Oh, I left out: weak foreign policy…
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Scout, I’m on record several times as opposing card check.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm
Hang tough, Kiwis.
It looks bad down there.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm
Dave R.
“the unpleasantness of the 1860’s.”
??????????????????????????????
Never heard of a war that resulted over half a million dead, countless wounded, pitted members of the same families against each other, nearly tore our nation apart
referred to as “the unpleasantness….”
Must be a Southern thing?
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm
ADAM
Lincoln was honest? Just because he was called Honest Abe, don’t make it so.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm
Obama makes Bill Clinton look like Newt Gingrich…. I’m shaking my head about contributing in 08, not that it would have mattered.
Dusty
February 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
RW, Yeah, I saw Bookman found a poll to suit his projections. Didn’t bother much with it. His info is all too familiar.
Keep up the good work. Always glad to see you here.
Now, I”m off to the store.. Hold the fort!
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
AmVet
“One of them was a skeet shoot competition.”
Couple months before she was married, my future daughter in law’s dad took her first-time skeet shooting with a bunch of his friends. She’d never shot skeet. She shot 8 for 8. One of the guys asked her how she did it. She said “My daddy told me to, so I did.”
At the groom’s dinner daddy presented here with… a solid pink custom-made shotgun.
Told my son it was time for a new cookbook. Future bride made a face and said “I know you don’t cook skeet!”
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
“Must be a Southern thing?”
I’m just trying to soften the discussion for those born below the Mason-Dixon line, Paul.
Coming from a Massachusetts boy (even one whose relatives at the time lived in the Maritime Provinces of Canada), it sounds so much better than the “We kicked your sorry, toothless, in-bred butts” war.
(apologies in advance to josef) Especially when there was nothing “Civil” about that time.
USMC dawg
February 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm
“Scout, I’m on record several times as opposing card check.”-Jay
Yeah Jay, you are, but the Unions are pushing Card check and will continue to try and ram it down the throats of our country. It is what unions stand for and one of the major laws that Unions are pushing to get.
But I am sincerely glad that you are against it because it is flat out Un-American. (yeah, I said it)
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
5:37 pm
The authors evaluate policy arguments for and against the use of card check as a method to determine union recognition. The results of an analysis of data from telephone surveys of 430 workers who had been through the NLRB election or card check campaigns of six unions in 2003 indicate that there was little undue union pressure to support unionization in card check campaigns, and that management pressure on workers to oppose unionization was considerably greater than pressure from co-workers or organizers to support the union in both card checks and elections.
Real studies dont support your claims Scout Zero.
RW-(the original)
February 22nd, 2011
5:39 pm
Hold the fort!
Wonder why this flashed through my mind when you said that?
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
PAUL
Also known as The Late Misunderstanding…sounds a lot more concilliatory than The War of the Invasion!
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
Dave R
“Especially when there was nothing “Civil” about that time.”
No kidding. Direct ancestor on my dad’s side got his citizenship by fighting in that war. Did you know a draftee could pay someone else to take his place? Was wounded and spent months in a pretty horrible POW camp. I have his records. Lots of pain for years, no help at all from the government. Became so bad he eventually took his life.
Gives me a different outlook on who victims are and who suffers in war.
USMC dawg
February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
Labor Union Corruption Classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4thvTkvbZjU
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
Okay, Dave
Yeah, “y’all” might have kicked “our” sorry, in-bred, toothless b*tts, but took ya four years to do it outnumbering us 16-1 and we took out as many of y’all as you did us…jus’ keeping the record straight here…
and Adam…
Less see, married to Mary Todd and sleeping with who? Unh, hunh, real honesty there…sounds a lot like the current crop of Republicans to me…
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
…a solid pink custom-made shotgun.
I don’t care how macho anyone else pretends to be, seeing that thing in an angry woman’s hands would scare the ever loving ____ out of me!
jm, given your current hyper-agitated state, it would seem that you are gonna have one endless, miserable 23 months ahead of you.
Enjoy!
And if there is a deity out there somewhere with a sense of humor, the GOP will again trot out a laughable slate, and the Uppity Muslim, Kenyan Marxist Fascist without a Birth Certificate will get re-elected, just so you can see what it was like for millions of Americans from 2000 – 2008! Aka the Reign of Error.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
Dave R
I kinda think the North won in large measure the same way the US has won many other wars.
They massively out-produced their opponents.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
I just wanted to get a rise out of you, josef.
You know me; always stirrin’ the puddin’.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
5:48 pm
josef nix
Misunderstanding? So if at the beginning someone had said “That’s a fort our shell are hitting? I thought it was the practice range” we might’ve avoided the whole thing?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
“I kinda think the North won in large measure the same way the US has won many other wars.
They massively out-produced their opponents.”
No argument there, Paul. The South had better Generals, and in my mind a better cause, but they just picked a fight against a heavyweight.
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm
Opinion polls say that the majority of US workers want to be in a labor union, according to Kate Bronfenbrenner, a professor and director of Labor Education Research, New York State School of Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell University. So why are just 12.4 percent of American workers union members? In brief, they fear what their bosses will do to them. Such fear is real. Employers more than doubled their use of anti-union tactics against employees attempting to form unions between 1999 and 2003 versus Bronfenbrenner’s three earlier research periods. Meticulously, she details this rising anti-labor trend in a new study, No Holds Barred: The Intensification of Employer Opposition to Organizing, published by the Economic Policy Institute of Washington, DC, and released May 20.
The study analyzes a random sample of 1,004 National Labor Relations Board union election campaigns, and in-depth surveys with head union organizers in 562 of these campaigns. For workers, her findings are fearful. Sixty-three percent of employers use mandatory one-on-one, anti-union meetings with employees. Further, 57 percent of employers threatened to close the workplace, 47 percent of employers issued threats to slash benefits and wages, while 34 percent of employers fired workers during union organizing drives
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
5:51 pm
PAUL
The whole thing could have been avoided if they’d've just gone ahead and put those two egomaniacs, Lincoln and Davis, in a ring and let ‘em b*tch slap each other into well deserved oblivion…
jm
February 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm
AmVet 5:44 – I just don’t like Unions. At all. And Obama clearly love unions.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
“in a ring and let ‘em b*tch slap each other into well deserved oblivion…”
And I have no doubt who would have one THAT one.
Pogo
February 22nd, 2011
5:58 pm
Another thing Jay, have ever heard of the terms “apprenticeship” and “journeymen”? The unions in the past took pride in providing skilled workers to the hated “companies” based upon these two terms. And 20 years ago this pretty much true. Now, the unions leadership are basically selling “books” (another term which you probably have no understanding of) to anyone that can pay for them, even if they are not skilled. And why do they do this? To keep money coming into their coffers so that they can spend it on themselves and to support politicians like Obama who want their money for the campagins. I just love it when liberals such as yourself that don’t even understand something support it in the name of their own political ideology. Unions have become nothing more than a parasite on our economy.
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
Doggone
The closet queen?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm
“Sixty-three percent of employers use mandatory one-on-one, anti-union meetings with employees. Further, 57 percent of employers threatened to close the workplace, 47 percent of employers issued threats to slash benefits and wages, while 34 percent of employers fired workers during union organizing drives.”
Music to this freedom-loving individual’s ears!
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm
jm
Why wouldn’t Obama love unions? The Democrat Party is statedly the party of the unions. I’d trust him a lot less if he didn’t…
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
“The closet queen?”
Which one is that?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
Bottom line is they shouldn’t have been there.
Scout, that was my first thought when I heard they had been kidnapped. My disbelief turned to anger when they were killed. If I were in a position to do so, I would put out a notice for all USC’s to forego travel in the ME unless it’s completely necessary until things get better. We can better justify offensive actions if USC’s are sought out specifically outside of trouble areas. No attack can be blamed on unrest if we’re not there.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
“The Democrat Party is statedly the party of the unions”
Not you too. I’m disappointed.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
AmVet 5:44 – I just don’t like Unions. At all.
And that means what to me?
The union-busting parasites enjoy the very benefits they get from men who fought and died to get them. Yet denigrate those men.
At the very minimum, all cons should be made to work on Labor Day and not get paid for it.
Nor should they be eligible for overtime pay, paid vacation time and any rights to protection over unsafe working conditions, among many other benefits.
In the meantime the police are raising their voices alongside students, teachers, firefighters, Green Bay Packers, nurses, steel workers, construction workers and religious groups who are filling the streets to protest.
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
Doggone
“Honest” Abe, who else? Though I’ve often wondered about Jeff’s relationship with Judah P…and would that the latter had not burned his papers! I’ve always wondered about that “kitchen cabinet” crew at Buchanan’s…
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
““Honest” Abe, who else?”
Well, not “who else” to me…I don’t characterize people by guessing about their sexual orientation. But yes, Lincoln. He had height, reach, strength, and experience on his side. When he was in his 50’s he could hold a double-bitted logging axe by the end of the handle, straight out at shoulder height without trembling.
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
Doggone
Disappointed? Why? It is. Don’t read too much into that. I never said it was “controlled” by the unions, but it does consider the unions a fundamental part of of its base…
fred
February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
Late to the party as usual and not having read the posts, it’s doubtful anyone except me is even talking about the original subject matter. However:
What is the surprise? As soon as the Democrats regained power of the Senate and Congress the lunatic fringe nutcases went after Lieberman and Miller, two people who put the fate of the Country ahead of party politics. Why would the right be any different? They’ve always been a step or two behind so it’s just natural this is happening now……..
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
The South had a better cause, Dave R says.
fred
February 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm
But yes, Lincoln. He had height, reach, strength, and experience on his side. When he was in his 50’s he could hold a double-bitted logging axe by the end of the handle, straight out at shoulder height without trembling.
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You saw him do this lol?
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
Yeah, USMC, the unions are pushing card check so hard that the Dems didn’t even bring it to a vote when they had both houses of Congress.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Yes, Jay. Freedom, liberty and upholding the Constitution are demonstrably better causes than increasing the power of the Federal government.
Of course, I don’t expect YOU to agree with that.
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
Doggone
Number one, his orientation is pretty clear by now. And I’m just saying that a show marriage to a mentally unstable woman while sleeping in the same bed with the same man for years is hardly, imho, a statement of good character. Secondly, what’s with all that “butch” stuff he could do…? I can do most of that myself, you know, and I “came out” with my feller w-a-a-a-y back before it became “acceptable…” Nope. He was a hypocrite.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
6:14 pm
PSEU’s gave about 88% of the contributions to Dems.
Which was completely dwarfed by the lopsided amount given to the GOP by corporate interests.
Pick your poison…
josef nix
February 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm
DAVE
I’ll leave that tangle with the Bruin to you!
Fred
February 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm
So Mrs. Lincoln? Except for that one thing, how was the play?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
“I’ll leave that tangle with the Bruin to you!
Chicken . . . !
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm
josef @6:15, good call!
As a born and bred Jayhawker, you KNOW how I feel about the topic!