Indiana GOP appears ready to shove Dick Lugar overboard

“If Dick Lugar, having served five terms in the U.S. Senate and being the most respected person in the Senate and the leading authority on foreign policy, is seriously challenged by anybody in the Republican Party, we have gone so far overboard that we are beyond redemption.”

– John Danforth, former three-term Republican senator from Missouri and UN ambassador under President George W. Bush, in a November 2010 interview

“Today, with their permission, I present you with the names of the 77 percent of the Republican chairman of Indiana who are willing today to support me in this campaign. What’s important to note also, is that the remaining twenty-three percent are not telling me they’re committed to Mr. Lugar; they simply have a policy of not endorsing in a primary…. Honorable Chairmen, Republican leaders, Tea Party activists and friends, we must begin, because it IS OUR time, and so I’m proud to announce to you my candidacy for the United States Senate on behalf of the Great People of the Great State of Indiana!”

– Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, announcing his 2012 primary challenge to Lugar

In 2006, Lugar won re-election with 87 percent of the vote; the Democrats didn’t even bother to put a name on the ballot against him. In his previous three Senate elections, Lugar won with at least a 2-to-1 margin of victory.

But if Mourdock really does have the public commitment of three-quarters of Indiana’s GOP chairman — and there’s no evidence on which to question his claim — Lugar is in big trouble in next year’s primary.

– Jay Bookman

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February 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm

Jay:

Why don’t you focus on the Democrats. There’s a lot of juicy stuff out there !

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm

Scout,

Because the Democrats are irrelevant now, remember? Didn’t you get the memo?

carlosgvv

February 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm

This is only the latest in the Tea Party’s attempts to take over the Republican Party and have it wholly owned by the far right Christian loonies. They know the majority of their voters are ignorant people easliy swayed by propaganda and lies. This is one of the products of the dumbing down of America.

larry

February 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm

Because the Democrats are not eating their own.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm

So the Democratic Party writes off the South, while the Republican Party writes off the nation.

Guess who wins?

larry

February 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm

I think people are just waking up to the fact that the tea party, sponsored by the Koch brothers , are bad news.

If you would look at all the so -called cuts the Republicans are proposing , look at how many benefit them.

Misty Fyed

February 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm

I like carlosgvv’s style. Let’s not actually engage in meaningful dialogue, let’s say everyone who doesn’t agree with me is ignorant. You must be related to Amvet.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm

“let’s say everyone who doesn’t agree with me is ignorant. You must be related to Amvet.”

Or jm.

Misty Fyed

February 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

Larry,

We have no choice but to look at the cuts the Republicans proposed because the Democrats chose not to offer any at all. In fact, unless things have changed, they aren’t even offering a budget proposal this year.

getalife

February 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

Stop whining Scout and MF.

This is going to be a great cycle.

Normal

February 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm

My analagy to this is a toddler(GOP) with a gun(Tea Party). Nothing good can come of it.

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm

Let’s not actually engage in meaningful dialogue, let’s say everyone who doesn’t agree with me is ignorant.

Talk-radio has been doing that very thing for a generation. In fact, it was talk-radio that invented and refined the language of political debate. Don’t seem to remember too many on the right getting all poutragey about that. You like having El Rushbo doing all the heavy lifting so that you can sit back and get your thong all a-twist when someone on the left uses that same language.

@@

February 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm

While I appreciated Mourdock’s stand on the auto bailouts, he may have a problem with this statement:

“How do President Obama and Secretary [of the Treasury Timothy] Geitner justify pensioners taking losses, while a foreign-owned business gets 20% of the new corporation without investing a single penny in the deal?” Mourdock asked.

In charging that the Administration is “throwing away the rights of secured creditors,” Mourdock also took after the President for labeling such creditors who opposed the Chrysler deal as “greedy speculators” and “unpatriotic.”

“That’s precisely what he said at his news conference,” said the Indiana treasurer, “Indiana taxpayers,retired Hoosier state policemen and teachers are neither greedy speculators nor unpatriotic. They are, however, secured creditors of Chrysler. They deserve to have their funds protected under the full auspices of the law.”

It’s one of those things politicians say in the heat of the moment. May come back to bite him in the ass though. ‘Ya just never know ’bout these things.

larry

February 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm

The President has been putting out proposals since 2009 for the 2010 budget, but none of the them cut the EPA and SEC like the Koch brothers would like.

You know , the EPA and the SEC and their pesky regulators just might find them doing something wrong.

I mean , who needs clean air and fresh water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/us/politics/08budget.html?_r=1

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm

“My analagy to this is a toddler(GOP) with a gun(Tea Party). Nothing good can come of it.”

Or electing the least qualified person in any room to be commander-in-chief?

Good for Indiana. Lugar is a waste of oxygen.

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm

Liberals are so funny…they bash conservatives as blind non-thinking lemmings for espousing small government when George W. Bush rolls out a trillion dollar stimulus, conveniently forgetting that this is exactly what the Tea Party does…go after big-spending Republicans.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm

I doubt this will happen. We’ll see.

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm

Liberals are smarter than conservatives. Well, except when it comes to taking responsibility for their own lives, which curiously the brain-iacs can’t seem to manage without government intervention and big taxes on “the rich.”

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

So the Democratic Party writes off the South, while the Republican Party writes off the nation.

Guess who wins?

Bin Laden??? :) j/k

Road Scholar

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

Foreign policy for a TP member in Indiana means what is happening in Ohio!

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

“This is one of the products of the dumbing down of America.”

How ironic…the people who have been dumbed-down can take care of themselves just fine, but the enlightened left can’t quite seem to manage it.

TnGelding

February 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm

One of the last of the good guys. Woe is us.

Harry Callahan

February 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm

Koch brothers…BOO!!!

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm

First, Paul, despite all pretenses, the South is part of this nation.

Second, I think the nation has had a thing or two to tell people who think that they know how someone’s going to vote. And it usually isn’t pretty for the prognosticator.

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm

So a primary that hasn’t happened, one candidate says he’s going to win over another, and Jay acts like the race is over and announces that “Indiana GOP appears ready to shove Dick Lugar overboard” It appears that Bookman is mighty interested in GOP elections. Gonna call the shots too. The Democrats are so busy hiding out in various states to avoid voting, they may not even bring candidates to town. . So Jay has to concentrate on the GOP.

Yep, while the Democrats play hide’n’seek, the GOP gets ready. No wonder Democrats are losing voters all over the country. (Find your own poll!). It’s obvious. Dems are so blind to debt & deficienices they have to play games. The country knows it. They want people who lead, not bench warmers, water boys and drop outs who don’t even know how to show up. .

.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm

Or electing the least qualified person in any room to be commander-in-chief?

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm

Requirements to Become President
*•Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, [...]

*•One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. [...]

*•Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen. [...]

Per the Constitution, those are the only requirements for being president. I’d be interested in seeing how to qualify someone as more or less qualified based on what the Founding Fathers set in ink.

Nice Guy

February 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm

“You like having El Rushbo doing all the heavy lifting ”

Excellence in broadcasting baby….

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ll wait patiently for the abuse….

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm

jm

February 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm

Lugar will probably win again. Tempest in tea pot. I’ll wait until I see the 2012 polls….

Nice Guy

February 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

“My analagy to this is a toddler(GOP) with a gun(Tea Party). Nothing good can come of it.”

Right. Kind of like a Democrat (Pelosi) with a gavel (Speaker).

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

SoCo, please don’t descend into Adam territory. You’re better than that, and he isn’t.

I didn’t say REQUIREMENTS.

I said QUALIFIED, as in QUALIFICATIONS. Of experience.

No management experience. No legislative experience. No business experience.

He remains the least qualified person in just about every room he enters, even today.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

I think Jay thinks the world is falling a apart. Dems on the lam around the country. People upending unions. Moderate Republicans get (possibly) sideswiped. This is probably beginning to look like armaggeddon to a hard core liberal, and there’s not even a Republican in the White House yet.

Go Big Red.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm

Agree with the essay. I think Sen. Lugar may want to reserve a room next to respected Utah Sen. Bennett. His time is passed also.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

Dave R

“, I think the nation has had a thing or two to tell people who think that they know how someone’s going to vote. And it usually isn’t pretty for the prognosticator.”

That is often the case.

The line about the South was taken from one of Jay’s recent threads.

SoCom

Will you please stop citing the Constitution? It just mucks things up -

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

Hi Bosch. What’s new?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

“It appears that Bookman is mighty interested in GOP elections. Gonna call the shots too.”

C’mon, Dusty! You know how much libs like Jay live to tell us what we should be doing with our money, our time and our attention. Why shouldn’t they add who we should vote for into their portfolio?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm

Dave

We put “qualifications” on the office of the President, but in reality, there are none whatsoever. If we tried to qualify things like that, we’d create a authoritarian government. Does a person starting their first business have business ownership experience? You gain experience through life. As a country that’s supposed to have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people, I would expect that people would resist from having “qualification” demands because that implies that the average person can not participate in their own government. Is that what you’re trying to push or imply?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm

Paul

As EOI, I refuse to try to let people change the rules of the game midstream. If you’re going to go by the Constitution for some things, then use it for everything. This whole “qualification” thing smacks of elitism. Is it any wonder that the majority of people on Capitol Hill are millionaires?

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

SoCo! You are da man!!

:-)

Not much Dusty! Hope your day is good.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm

Dave R. – (SoCom)

Actually, the Constitution doesn’t say ‘qualified’ or ‘requirement’ – it says ‘eligible.’

One – eligible- is a Constitutional provision, the other – requirement – is a restatement and qualified is an opinion. Unless one takes the position that anyone eligible is qualified and it’s up to the voter to decide which characteristics are important.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

SoCom

Elitism? As in 20th-century wealthy northeastern Democratic officeholders and senior bureaucrats?

You’re carrying EOI to a whole new level!

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

Ragnar,

Don’t agree with the essay! Makes Bookman’s head swell and he is already aware of his importance. Give him a small headache, at least, with your usual persausive logic.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

“and it’s up to the voter to decide which characteristics are important.”

Yeah Dave,

……..and the voters decided that Obama was the man for the job. Why do you hate democracy?

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm

Take 3 minutes out of your drivel and watch the awesome video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=2HiUMlOz4UQ&vq=large

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:46 pm

“I would expect that people would resist from having “qualification” demands because that implies that the average person can not participate in their own government. Is that what you’re trying to push or imply?”

Now see, you and Paul are being particularly dense this afternoon, and I suspect it is because you can’t defend the thin resume of the current resident of the White House.

As you both well know, I detest rules of any kind (it’s my nature to live my life as I see fit, not someone else), therefore I am certainly not calling for set qualifications. However, every responsible voter must determine if the person he or she is voting for is qualified to fill the office one is vying for.

Any reasonable examination of Obama’s qualifications; management, legislative and business, shows that he is the least qualified person to sit in that office – ever.

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February 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

“Gadhafi vows to fight on, die a martyr”

May his wish be granted !

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

Elitism? As in 20th-century wealthy northeastern Democratic officeholders and senior bureaucrats?

To quote Isaac Hayes…… “You damn right!”
Can’t argue with the eligibility thing either. The way our current government is skewered, if you don’t have money, you don’t have a chance. Anything above local office requires either lots of cash on hand or the ability to raise a lot in a short amount of time. I think the Citizen’s United ruling was the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

” I detest rules of any kind (it’s my nature to live my life as I see fit, not someone else), ”

Wow Dave you and I have something in common — used to drive my parents crazy.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Paul! I have a present for you….wait…I’ll go get it.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

“Why do you hate democracy?”

Bosch, one, we don’t have a democracy, we have a Constitutional republic.

Two democracies are mob rule – kinda like unions. Three wolves and one sheep deciding what’s for dinner. Most people wouldn’t want to be the sheep.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

“This whole “qualification” thing smacks of elitism.”

Actually, it smacks of competence.

Or in the case of the current office holder – incompetence.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

Oh Dave – I was just messin’ with ya….but, isn’t a Constitutional Republic like a form of Democracy — like a grape is a kind of fruit?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

February 22nd, 2011
3:50 pm

Any reasonable examination of Obama’s qualifications; management, legislative and business, shows that he is the least qualified person to sit in that office – ever.

That’s your opinion. Others disagreed with yours and Obama got elected. My honest opinon of that election was the same as our governor’s election. There’s not much to choose from, so I picked WHAT I THOUGHT to be the lesser of two evils.

As you both well know, I detest rules of any kind (it’s my nature to live my life as I see fit, not someone else), therefore I am certainly not calling for set qualifications.

Yet, by reading your last statement, which I copied above, you’re doing exactly that. You’re calling for people to judge him based on your opinion of what makes a good POTUS. No two people think exactly alike, not even twins. Talk about somebody being dense…..

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

USMC Dawg

That was pretty incredible. Thanks.

Bosch

February 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

“Yet, by reading your last statement, which I copied above, you’re doing exactly that. You’re calling for people to judge him based on your opinion of what makes a good POTUS. No two people think exactly alike, not even twins.”

Yeah, DAVE!

(SoCo really is the Man…)

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Dave R.

“Now see, you and Paul are being particularly dense this afternoon, and I suspect it is because you can’t defend the thin resume of the current resident of the White House.”

Nope. Has nothing to do with it. Bosch answered well at 3:43. People eligible run, voters decide what’s important.

The majority of voters thought the current guy was more qualified.

Pretty simple, really.

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

“That was pretty incredible. Thanks.”

Paul, Your welcome. I thought that would be a good video for “everyone” (see inclusive) to enjoy this afternoon.
(Not to politicize the video, but do you think all of those people are sitting around waiting for the Union or the Government to “grease” their palms?)

chuck

February 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm

Lugar isn’t as conservative as he needs to be AND, he tweaked the nose of the tea party movement. What does he expect? He practically challenged conservatives to run a primary candidate against him. It’s a new day in the Republican party. The mere fact that John Danforth supports him is reason enough for me to send his opponent a check.

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

Dave R: <I.No management experience. No legislative experience. No business experience.

You forgot military experience, unless you were on a swift boat. Then you don’t count.

Really, your arguments are ridiculous. He did have legislative experience, and even if he had been in office for 5 terms first you’d still be harping on all the other things you think don’t qualify him.

You might also examine the quality of such experience, if it exists. I know you would if a Democratic candidate actually HAD all those as experience, but you disagreed with the particulars of how he or she handled themselves in those situations.

You never answered me as to why any of those bits of experience you listed matter anyway. I suspect you won’t, but I also suspect that’s mostly because you really don’t have a legitimate answer.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:00 pm

2012 is still a year and a half off. A lot can change in a very short time as we should be able to see from the 2008 and 2010 results. The Romany lady says she’s making no predictions and suggests others not either,,,especially if there’s a bet riding on it…

And the Democrats better hope that the rest of the country does go whole hawg GOP. They’ll get the South back then. One thing you pretty much count on, the Denizens of Dixieland will go counter to the national norm as a matter in principle! :-)

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm

Looks lie I missed a lot of fun today.

First Uncle Miltie takes a general comment about trolls personally. (BTW, it wasn’t meant for him but was probably a good call anyway, Miltie.)

Then some new meat named Play Musty for Me takes a cheap shot at me. I mean, who is this person? I’ve never even noticed him/her here before.

At any rate, I sure am a burr in their britches. (Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.)

It’s all good though, because I’m still tight with SoCo, aka the man!

And Paul and Bosch and ex-pat and getalife and stands and Bruno and Matti and Doggone and…

On topic, Indiana isn’t exactly the bastion of great political minds (just potatoe heads), so to me, it’s a big case of who gives a…?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Actually, I won’t answer you because you’re a yappy little tea cup poodle leg-humper who can’t understand the English language nor complex concepts.

‘Kay?

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Dave R,
I realize the propensity of libs to play follow the leader ’cause they lack a GPS. but , this running from state to state for hideout time is getting comical. It would make a good Loony Tunes cartoon at least.

Hey…Jay’s next topic. Loony Libs play Loony Tunes in new comedy sweep. No use to waste all that talent.

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

Bosch, that was great! Thanks!

They got the number one pick right. It was eligible, of course. Met all the requirements. Was eminently well qualified. But in the end, those with the votes made the top pick!

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm

Sure Dave, whatever you say.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

AmVet

Yeah, look at all of who you’re tight with! You just plumb schizophrenic you old curmudgeon trouble maker…

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm

SoCo: As far as eligibility, requirements, and qualifications go, none of it really matters as a hard and fast rule EXCEPT what’s in the Constitution.

There were no huge universities requiring lots of money to be able to get a piece of paper that somehow proved your intellectual prowess.

There were no large scale businesses that make oodles of cash that somehow proved you knew how to turn a profit (even though that actually probably has the LEAST to do with being President than anything else).

In fact, the only two things you could point to for years as qualifications for being President were military or legislative experience. Even then, you didn’t have to be a lifelong politician or lifelong general to be able to be voted in. So there’s actually very little point to having this argument. It’s what matters to voters at the time that’s the issue, and nothing else.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

And to Paul, Bosch and SoCo, I understand the whole election process better than you, so I realize all the ways the least qualified person in any Presidential race could have won.

Just because people voted for him, doesn’t mean they thought he was more qualified. In many cases, they just liked him better, or voted for the party, or the color of his skin.

It doesn’t change the fact that he came into office with the least amount of qualifications of any President in the history of this nation. Unless you can make the case that someone who never ran a business, never managed a payroll or a process, never proposed nor passed any significant legislation, and was elected to his Senate seat primarily because his opposition was disgraced constitutes qualifications to be President.

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February 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

Just in case someone is still wondering (from a below thread) why the Governor of Wisconsin just might be treating police and firemen different that other workers.

“Florida city loses third police officer in 28 days to shootings”

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/22/florida.officer.shot/index.html?hpt=T2

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm

“From now on, anyone who tries to rescue the hostages in our hands will only collect dead bodies,” he said. “It will never ever happen that hostages are rescued and we are hauled to prison.”

Well. You can expect Americans to start arming themselves when sailing abroad now….

USMC dawg

February 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

“Actually, I won’t answer you because you’re a yappy little tea cup poodle leg-humper who can’t understand the English language nor complex concepts.”

That sounds Racist…

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

And sailing near that part of the world is just dumb and reckless.

Del

February 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

If Mourdock wins and Lugar loses it won’t be any great loss to the Republican party.

Pogo

February 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

Jay, you slide another little “republican inner turmoil” piece again in your hope against hope that that will somehow make a difference in what is about to happen. I have news for you; the Republicans can never match the Democrats in the area of self destruction. It only took Obama, Pelosi and Reid two years to make the majority of the working people in this country sick of them. News travels fast nowadays and the people that count (the typical taxpaying voters) don’t suffer ideological idiots like this liberal trifecta anymore. At least the American people are now fully aware that we are broke whether Obama and the Democrats and the unions (and the Bookman 9 here) believe it or not. The “Silent Majority” is about to roar again in 2012 and how sweet it will be.

carlosgvv

February 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm

Misty Fyed, Harry Callahan

You cannot have any meaningful dialogue with people convinced God has blessed them because of their beliefs and all others are damned. For those not in the know, I am speaking of the far right “campassionate conservative” Christians who are in the process of taking over the Republican Party. A great many of the dumbed down are unemployed and either in the street or headed that way. Harry, that is not exactly what I would call taking care of themselves, you tool.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

DAVE

The least qualified presidents…? Oh, I’d put U. S, Grant, Andrew Johnson, and James Buchanan in the running…a drunken anti-Semite, a quasi literate hate monger and an ineffectual tired old queen…sorry, but Obama’s got some competition…

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

Since Dave is being an obstinate fool, would anyone else care to tell me why these things are qualifications for President?

1) Payroll (seriously? The Executive branch?)
2) Running a business (regardless of the level of your success at doing so, apparently)

I do find it telling that aside from me, and before I got here, Dave had to re-explain and re-hash his position to 3 other people. Apparently all your old points you think are over and done with aren’t as clear cut as you believed.

AmVet

February 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

josef, that’s just lovely.

Especially coming from a self-avowed EOI.

BTW, my brother, you’re right smack in the middle of that list!

Even dusty and I are working on our issues, right Dusty? (It’s always been a love/hate relationship with us – but I’m terribly confused as to the roles!!)

Hey Dave R!

It doesn’t change the fact that he came into office with the least amount of qualifications of any President in the history of this nation.

I concur. But after his predecessor – with arguably the worst assortment of said experiences known in presidential history – won twice, I think that category got tossed out the window!

Adam

February 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm

USMC: Well if he even remotely thought he was being racist then he can kiss my Anglo-Saxon White Male ass.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm

“For those not in the know, I am speaking of the far right “campassionate conservative” Christians who are in the process of taking over the Republican Party.”

Kinda missed the past 30 years, didn’t ya, carlos?

And the past election cycle, where the religious right was gently moved aside so that Tea Party candidates without the social conservative baggage could gain office.

For those not in the know, look in the mirror, carlos.

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm

Well, JOSEF, glad to see you back full of vim & vigor. The Denizens of Dixieland…love that title. I’ll just throw in that old favorite The South Shall Rise Again and again and again ( just to get things straightened out.)

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SoCo,

You speak nicely. But. the next time you get a new coworker who has never really worked before, has never worn a uniform, has never used a firearm, has never inspected anything and rather play basketball than work, you might understand a few comments about the president’s resume. You might even say, he doesn’t have a lot of experience.

Of course he can learn but but but…….and lotta people like him but but but…..some think he might NOT be experienced. .

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm

josef, at least Grant and Jackson had military leadership experience (despite what they did with it).

And AmVet, don’t expect any defense of GWB from me, but even his qualifications were greater than Hope & Change (which, as I’ve mentioned before, is NOT a strategy). :)

chuck

February 22nd, 2011
4:23 pm

Adam, people who have had to make payroll understand how government policies affect private sector jobs. Obama has never actually worked for a living much less employed others.

Business experience has the same impact as meeting a payroll. People who have worked for someone OTHER THAN GOVERNMENT see the need to do things efficiently. They want to eliminated duplication of services, waste fraud and abuse, inefficient workers and multiple layers of bureacracy so that businesses can work.

Hope that helps.

chuck

February 22nd, 2011
4:25 pm

ooops, eliminate not eliminated

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

Dave R

“And to Paul, Bosch and SoCo, I understand the whole election process better than you,”

Tryin’ a bit too hard?

“It doesn’t change the fact that he came into office with the least amount of qualifications of any President in the history of this nation. Unless you can make the case that someone who never ran a business, never managed a payroll or a process, never proposed nor passed any significant legislation…”

Well, this is from the White House website and it doesn’t sound all that impressive, either:

[["I was born Feb. 12, 1809, in Hardin County, Kentucky. My parents were both born in Virginia, of undistinguished families--second families, perhaps I should say. My mother, who died in my tenth year, was of a family of the name of Hanks.... My father ... removed from Kentucky to ... Indiana, in my eighth year.... It was a wild region, with many bears and other wild animals still in the woods. There I grew up.... Of course when I came of age I did not know much. Still somehow, I could read, write, and cipher ... but that was all."

Lincoln made extraordinary efforts to attain knowledge while working on a farm, splitting rails for fences, and keeping store at New Salem, Illinois. He was a captain in the Black Hawk War, spent eight years in the Illinois legislature, and rode the circuit of courts for many years. His law partner said of him, "His ambition was a little engine that knew no rest."]]

Another lawyer and guy who served in a state legislature… ‘cept he never served in the House or Senate…

Keep up the good fight!

February 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

Scout Zero….you keep trying to make distinctions but never explained how police and fire unions differ from correctional facility unions…

Differences without distinction as my crim law professor used to say.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm

AmVet

I didn’t say it wasn’t good company!

Dusty–
I kinda like that Denizens one myself…credit where credit’s due. My favorite Yankee history professor, the old Wobblie, used that one…a fine fellow, he…

Your Hatred Makes Baby Jesus Cry

February 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm

Enter your comments here

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm

correction, served in House but never in the Senate -

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm

People who have worked for someone OTHER THAN GOVERNMENT see the need to do things efficiently.

Did your Ayn Rand blow-up doll come with a lifetime guarantee?

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm

“Another lawyer and guy who served in a state legislature… ‘cept he never served in the House or Senate…”

And a first-class proponent of the primacy of the Federal government. Not your finest example to me, Paul.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm

If 30 years wasn’t enough for Lugar to git ‘er done, then it sounds like a good time to move on.

josef nix

February 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm

DAVE

That was Andrew JOHNSON not Jackson…I know it may come as a bit of a surprise that as much as I hate the SOB Jackson, he did have certain qualifications. And Grant? All you have to do is take a look at his administration to see just how imminently unqualified he was. And while I’m not opposed to a military background being a qualification, a berserk Mongol invader’s experience doesn’t imply he’s qualified to be the leader of a democratic republic based on the rule of law.
Using that logic, we could make the argument that being a community organizer is a qualification…and, really, in my opinion, it is…especially one brought up through the ranks in Chicago…THAT qualifies him to play the game…

Doggone/GA

February 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm

“Bosch, one, we don’t have a democracy, we have a Constitutional republic”

You left out a word: Democratic.

We have a Constitutional DEMOCRATIC Republic

No need to thank me

Paul

February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

Dave R.

Maybe not the finest example, but not bad off the top of my head.

So tell us, how were Lincoln’s qualifications vastly superior to Obama’s? Or do you think they weren’t? Either way, I suppose it would be good to hear if you think Lincoln was a bad a president as Obama. Else the comparison is meaningless.

jm

February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

Looks like we’re headed to a government shutdown. Thanks a lot Democrats. Apparently Reed won’t pass a spending bill….

Dusty

February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

AMVET 4:18

ROLL? What roll? I’m still waiting for you to learn how to spell POTATO! At 4:02 I QUAYLED at your spelling! Ha!! I just can’t CHIP into that.

0311/0317 - 1811/1801

February 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm

Keep Up the Pillow Fight !:

I already answered you once but here it is again:

Prison Guards are “probably” at the low end of those killed in the line of duty as compared to police and fire but if the Governor wants to include them that’s fine with me.

Dave R.

February 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm

josef, Johnson’s legislative experience was still far greater than the current resident.

And I have never suggested that one cannot play the game (although others have tried to make the case that I have). Everyone may play. Some are just better qualified to serve once elected. I can play baseball, but if I found myself on a team, I’d certainly not be qualified to serve rather than, say, Carl Yastremski.