A powerful new poll pulls back the curtain on fear, frustration
In a post last week about the future of the Democratic Party in the South, I warned that those Democrats who advocate giving up on the South in effect advocate giving up on white working-class voters, which would have implications well beyond Dixie.
A new poll on attitudes about the economy, published in The Washington Post, provides a lot more fodder for that discussion. It found that white Americans are considerably more pessimistic about the nation’s economic future, considerably more frustrated and, not surprisingly, considerably less supportive of Obama and the Democrats. Those attitudes were particularly prevalent among white Americans with less than a college education.
As the Post writers describe it:
A mere 10 percent of whites without college degrees say they are satisfied with the nation’s current economic situation. Most – 56 percent – say the country’s best days are in the past, and more, 61 percent, say it will be a long time before the economy begins to recover.
Fully 43 percent of non-college whites say “hard work and determination are no guarantees of success,” and nearly half doubt that they have enough education and skills to compete in the job market.
The Post didn’t release data breaking down responses between college-educated and non-college white Americans, but the demographic data it did release was fascinating nonetheless. Take a look at the difference in economic optimism:
The loss of faith in important institutions such as government and Wall Street was also considerably stronger among white Americans than among their fellow Americans.
However, perhaps the starkest divisions came when pollsters asked Americans whether they thought the government was doing too much, too little, or the right amount to help a series of groups, from their own families to Wall Street. White Americans were far more willing than black and Hispanic Americans to say the government wasn’t doing enough to help them, and was doing too much to help the wealthy and Wall Street.
I think those numbers help to illuminate a whole range of political phenomena, from the labor standoff in Wisconsin to the Tea Party movement to last fall’s midterms. Even though statistics demonstrate that black and Hispanic Americans are getting hit hardest in this recession in terms of jobs and income lost, it is white Americans who feel most vulnerable, most frustrated, most pessimistic and most in need of a government looking out for their interests.
– Jay Bookman
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TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2011
9:15 am
It looks as though that poll is consistent with the fears posted here by the white-wingers. Oops, I mean right-wingers.
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
9:22 am
POLLS!!! YES!!!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:24 am
“A mere 10 percent of whites without college degrees say they are satisfied with the nation’s current economic situation”
and of those, I’d love to see how many are FOX devotees …
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:24 am
Bosch – polls and charts and graphs … OHMY!!!
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
9:26 am
“and was doing too much to help the wealthy and Wall Street.”
And? It’s the wealthy who create JOBS!!!!!!!
(I’m getting good at this wingnut impression, don’t ‘cha think?)
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
” it is white Americans who feel most vulnerable, most frustrated, most pessimistic and most in need of a government looking out for their interests”
Because we all know that being a white man in this country can be so hard.
RW-(the original)
February 22nd, 2011
9:28 am
I guess powerful is one word for this poll. Strange, weird, and laughable are a few others. The only hint at the demographic breakdown seems to be that over 25% of the respondents were non college whites. I have no idea whether that would be an accurate percentage, but without knowing how the other 75% breaks it doesn’t matter.
/drive by
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:29 am
Jay, I think it can be a bit difficult to interpret the final results beyond gauging the frustration levels for voting purposes. What this group of voters want is not clear from the poll.
“most in need of a government looking out for their interests” might be a fine conclusion from the poll, but the “interests” of this group might be less government and regulation, not more. Impossible to know from this poll.
Road Scholar
February 22nd, 2011
9:29 am
Isn’t that what Fox News and the republicans have told them to say? White America feels threatened by change. Guess what? It will continue to accelerate!
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:30 am
Polls! And PICTURES!
If you could just add crayons, the libs on here would be in heaven . . .
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
What kills me about many of those who are screaming about how the Obama Administration has ruined their lives, and socialism, are the ones who are the most better off in this country. In my opinion, of course….
Road Scholar
February 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
Bosch: I feel another business tax break a-coming! Or it may be gas?
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
Dave R.,
Nah, crayons break too easy — finger paint….there’s the ticket.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:33 am
Maybe paint by numbers . . .?
Road Scholar
February 22nd, 2011
9:33 am
Dave R: I hear the Repubs figured out how to use crayons! But using them on their computer screens seems to block out what they are trying to see!! Notice I didn’t say read and comprehend!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:33 am
“Because we all know that being a white man in this country can be so hard.”
well, the man has been keeping him down, doncha know …
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Dave R.,
NO!! We can NOT be told where to paint what color where — that’s just nuts.
USMC dawg
February 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
U.N. wants climate change in Hollywood story lines:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2011/02/george-clooney-angelina-jolie-global-warming.html
Road Scholar
February 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
USinUK: Yo!
Tommy Maddox
February 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Uh oh – bad poll for the Left – blame Fox News.
Predictable.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:35 am
dave – “If you could just add crayons, the libs on here would be in heaven ”
we embrace data
you eschew it.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:37 am
tommy – questioning = blaming???
wow. tough crowd.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:37 am
“Even though statistics demonstrate that black and Hispanic Americans are getting hit hardest in this recession in terms of jobs and income lost, it is white Americans who feel most vulnerable, most frustrated, most pessimistic and most in need of a government looking out for their interests.”
If I were CT, I’d write: “That’s because white folk have more to be taken”.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:41 am
“we embrace data
you eschew it.”
If polls were actually “data”, I’d be fine with them, USinUK. But ALL polls are skewed to the result desired by the people commissioning the poll. Therefore, I treat them with a health dose of suspicion.
TnGelding
February 22nd, 2011
9:41 am
We’re gullible, fickle, stupid and change with the wind. The media is complicit by letting the GOP loons control the agenda.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
9:42 am
Hey Paul, remember how we’ve laughed at the fact that 20% of people will believe anything?
Look at that number of white people who think BHO is doing too little to help wealthy Americans and the upper class.
Hysterical…
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:43 am
data – “If polls were actually “data”, I’d be fine with them”
poll results ARE data …
and, if you think the poll is skewed, then tell us where.
Jefferson
February 22nd, 2011
9:43 am
When rich vs poor don’t work, do they try white vs black?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:46 am
“poll results ARE data … ”
Only if “opinion” is now considered “fact”.
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9:46 am
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BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
In the Tuesday AJC….Kanye West is invited to the Kate/William wedding. Well, he is a Royal Pain in the …..
StJ
February 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
Wonder what the poll will look like when gas hits $5 a gallon…
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:48 am
dave – ah. no. if you’re asking what people think, the cumulative statistics ARE data.
their opinions, themselves, are not facts – but saying that 20% of white people think that the gummint should do more to help rich people actually ARE data.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:48 am
Bada – the pub landlord who owns the Middleton’s local is invited … now, that’s cool.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:50 am
Yes, they need government help. They need government to get out of the way.
Jack
February 22nd, 2011
9:50 am
I think maybe Bookman is going to require posters in here to have a college degree. I’m one of those GOP loons who would know to vote against liberals regardless of how much education I have.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2011
9:51 am
Pretty good essay, pretty neutral analysis. Writing as an over-educated over-paid white guy, I affirm that the current administration has engaged too little beneficial activities for the country’s economics and for its foreign standing in the world. I also believe the current administration has engaged too much activity adverse to the country’s economics and for its foreign standing in the world.
I always thought President Carter was the near-perfect upside-down barometer; whatever policy he embraced was almost always the exact wrong policy for the good of the country. I have a similar perception of our current president, except that I credit Chauncey for keeping most of the Bush administration policies on a narrow element of the foreign policy, Iraq and Afghanistan and GTMO.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:52 am
Statistics borne of opinion = unreliable data.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
Jay, I think it can be a bit difficult to interpret the final results beyond gauging the frustration levels for voting purposes. What this group of voters want is not clear from the poll.
You mean the part where they say, “We don’t want government in our lives and keep your hands off my Social Security.” Is that one of the parts that is not clear.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
Jay, how would you characterize Deal’s proposal on HOPE? It looks like some progress to me, other parts “kicking the can down the road” because we are way overdue for the incorporation of SAT scores into HOPE.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
dave – 9:52 – well, if you’re trying to prove something scientifically, you’re right.
if you’re trying to take the temper of the nation, it’s right on the £££
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
54 percent of white Americans say government is doing too LITTLE to help, jm.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
Taxpayer 9:53 – you’re chock-a-block full of useful commentary as always.
Jefferson
February 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
Businesses will have to pony up to pay the unemployment bill, 630m.
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
9:55 am
Jefferson, in case you missed it, they are generally one and the same.
Jack, tons of people with college degrees are dumbarses. It is no guarantee of intellect.
USMC dawg, thanks for the link. Good news…
Fully 43 percent of non-college whites say “hard work and determination are no guarantees of success…
Unless one moves overseas where the jobs went…
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
9:55 am
Polls, smolls, the fact remains the economy sucks, unemployment sucks, it don’t take a degree, a race, religion or Bookman for anyone to know this.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
Jay 9:54 – yes, on closer reading, you’re right. The dangers of speed reading….
Well, fun times for Dems. Wonder what they’ll do next to try to set things right….
TnGelding
February 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
..and trolls!
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
Dear Jay @ 9:54, I respectfully believe jm’s 9:50 post is not inconsistent with the “54% say government is doing too little to help.” I am part of the 54%. Most everything the government could do to help would be in the form of subtraction.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2011
9:57 am
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
Taxpayer 9:53 – you’re chock-a-block full of useful commentary as always.
Well, I do try, at least.
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
No, Ragnar. You would then be in the category of those saying government is doing too much. Too little cannot be redefined at your whim to mean too much.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
Most everything the government could do to help would be in the form of subtraction.
Your revised social security payment will now incorporate a negative sign.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
“if you’re trying to take the temper of 1,000 people,”
But “the nation”? Don’t think so. Too many variables in a small sample.
Jefferson
February 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
If you have a job, the ecomomy is as always. Just go out on Friday night to a resteraunt on say Barrett Pkwy, lines and crowds. Its a rat race, and some rats win more than others.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
Jay – taking the next step. I guess I might interpret this as the frustration from working class white voters suffering from the globalization of labor markets and the improvements in productivity from technology reducing the number of unskilled entry level jobs. As always, education makes a huge difference.
If Dems want to help working class folks, they should keep working on improving the education system. Isolationism, stopping free trade, etc etc are just speed bumps that don’t stop anything on the road to change.
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
Bosch – “Because we all know that being a white man in this country can be so hard.”
Gag.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:00 am
oh, Jay … there you go again … expecting words to mean something …
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
10:00 am
For most of a year and a half Jay and the Left called the Republican party the party of no, I quess we can now start calling the Democrat party the Chicken Sh– Party.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:00 am
dave – it’s called a sample.
just like a map isn’t 1 mile = 1 mile, polls work by sampling the population.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2011
10:01 am
Dear Jay @ 9:58, then I affirm that the survey is worded badly,because i would have placed myself in the camp of wanting the government to “act.”. I do not want the government to do “nothing,” which seems to me to be the opposite of the question. I want affirmatively-less activity by the government. Had the question been asked to “inform,” it would have asked whether government should “do more, do less, or stay the same.” The phrasing-bias prohibits reliable analysis.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:02 am
Trust me, USinUK, I understand the meaning of polls and samples.
I just discount them when it comes to making sweeping conclusions, and more importantly, coming up with government policy.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
jeebus, Ragnar, I hope you stretched before you wrote your 10:01 –
that much twisting could cause an injury!
jm
February 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
Ragnar 9:56 – yes. But these polls are probably more just about voter frustration with their current economic predicament than any actual policy changes.
Pollsters would do better to go ask people more specific questions (although I’m sure already do). Like “is there too much government regulation of business”?
Like here:
Americans More Likely to Say Government Doing Too Much
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123101/americans-likely-say-government-doing-too-much.aspx
and here
Americans Leery of Too Much Gov’t Regulation of Business
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125468/americans-leery-govt-regulation-business.aspx
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:04 am
dave – and what policy is being proposed from the above?
it’s just an opinion poll.
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
10:05 am
I think it is safe to say that Cristina won’t be singing at the Royal Wedding. God will save the Queen from that.
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
10:06 am
Jay – “it is white Americans who feel most vulnerable, most frustrated, most pessimistic and most in need of a government looking out for their interests.”
I can certainly see why they would think this. While the Left-nuts scream and cry about how well White America is doing versus the poor poor pitiful pooor minorities, the perception, to some, is that the deck appears to continue to be stacked against them.
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
10:06 am
We can debate whether government does to little or to much, but my arguement is government does not do the right things, they get a failing grade.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:06 am
It is what elected officials (and opinion columnists) will DO with the poll later on to justify some government action that I worry about.
harvey
February 22nd, 2011
10:07 am
It is the whites screaming because they are having the ever increasing burden of supporting a proportionally faster growing group of entitlement/welfare slackers, and their backs are breaking and their optimism is fading. We need politicians who will actually hack away at entitlements, starting however, with doing away with unions. If we could do that we could probably get some manufacturing going in this country again.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2011
10:08 am
Also, dear Jay, part of the problem is the question’s focus on “the Obama administration.” The bias in the question seeks affirmation of the administration, in its “intentions” rather than focus on particular actions. A neutral question would not mention the actor, but would have been policy-oriented. “Do you think government is spending too much money on military?” “Do you think government is spending too much money on EPA?” “Do you think government should spend more money on health care?” etc. “Looking out for the interests of x” sounds O’Reillyesque, and goodness knows he is not the right person to ask an economics question.
TnGelding
February 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
Anyone not getting a good education in this country has no one to blame but themselves, myself included. We do need to recognize troubled youth earlier though and try to get them some help. That’s no to say the system doesn’t need to be radically changed.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
Dear USinUK @ 10:03, good morning, probably insufficient coffee. I envy the efficiency of jm’s mind @ 10:03, as he said the same thing I did @ 10:08 with fewer than half as many words.
@@
February 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
Hit a dead thread downstairs, so-o-o-oooo…
Did Gohmert and Poe, both Republicans from Texas, oppose the law? Last I heard, they were in agreement with you, jay. Imagine THAT…Poe, a member of the Tea Party Caucus was in agreement with YOU.
That must make YOU a RADICAL NUTJOB!!!!!
=============================
As to the last question in the poll:
Doing too much, too little or the right amount of WHAT exactly? I need specifics.
schnirt
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
10:13 am
@@, I answered downstairs.
Jimmy62
February 22nd, 2011
10:13 am
It’s interesting how polls that support Bookman’s ideas get called “powerful,” and ones that show something completely opposite of how Bookman wishes the world was run are ignored.
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
I need specifics, grow up !
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
I have two books written by Linda Ellerbee. In one of them she recounts an assignment she and another reporter were given to report on the increase in crime in America. Their research indicated there had NOT BEEN an increase in crime, but there HAD been in increase in the FEAR of crime. So they did the report on that insteaed.
JF McNamara
February 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
I find it funny. Rather than punish those who put them in the situation, they are punishing the people who are making it better. The economy crashed before Obama took office under a Republican. Georgia was a solid red state before the crash yet it still occurred. Rather than try something new, they want to revert to the model that caused the calamity.
If America has peaked (which it hasn’t), it will be their refusal to change from what failed. Not what is going on now.
@@
February 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
jay:
Yes you did, but I got to compare you to a NUTJOB on two separate threads. How kewl was THAT?
Poe and Gohmert did oppose the bill, @@, but magically, both somehow managed to miss the committee meeting in which it was voted on and approved.
Funny how that happens
OoooKAY! At least Obama showed up to vote “PRESENT” while in the Illinois State Senate.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
10:21 am
In the solutions category: Our education system is a mess, and needs fixing. Wisconsin is a start, but ending monopoly-style union control isn’t the whole answer by a long shot.
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
“It is the whites screaming because they are having the ever increasing burden of supporting a proportionally faster growing group of entitlement/welfare slackers”
Oh my freaking God.
Yeah, cause we all know there aren’t any white people on welfare.
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
Yeah, jm, Wisconsin students only rank 2nd or 3rd in the nation in both average SAT and ACT scores.
Those unions up there are ruining education.
For Real
February 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
What I find strange are those Georgians blaming democrats for the economic condition that Georgia is currently in when Georgia is clearly a red state. Republicans have been on the job the entire time during this recession yet the people of Georgia decided to vote them back into office again? How does that saying go: Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result.
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
Hey Paul! Heard two of your state senators this morning talking about a bill that’s probably gonna be passed allowed college kids to carry guns on campus!
Congratulations on that!!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
“because they are having the ever increasing burden of supporting a proportionally faster growing group of entitlement/welfare slackers”
and I’m sure you have the data to back your claim … ???
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Bosch, I too was thinking why is harvey so timid.
Why not just come out and say what he really means?
It’s not as if it would be any great shocker.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Bosch – “allowed college kids to carry guns on campus!”
ohsweetjeebus.
as if I wasn’t glad I was no longer in university before, I DEFINITELY am now!
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
10:29 am
Yeah, USinUK, cause we all know college kids are so rational and all.
Sometimes I stand gobsmacked at the stoopid.
Scooter (The Original)
February 22nd, 2011
10:30 am
OMG, so again it is about uneducated white southerners not supporting The Obama and the Democrats. Grow up!
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
“Yeah, jm, Wisconsin students only rank 2nd or 3rd in the nation in both average SAT and ACT scores.”
Maybe the 30% of public school teachers sending their kids to private schools are skewing those numbers higher, Jay.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
http://www.publicagenda.org/charts/state-state-sat-and-act-scores
yeppers, Wisconsin beats the national avg in both SAT and ACT – GA does not.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo_t1.htm
also has a higher overall HS graduation rate than GA
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
10:32 am
When it comes to gun laws there is generally one irrefutable fact.
If the police are against some proposed legislation, the cons will be for it. And vice versa.
@@
February 22nd, 2011
10:32 am
Yeah, USinUK, cause we all know college kids are so rational and all.
Probably why Obama pursued them so aggressively during his campaign.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:32 am
Bosch – well, if EVERYone is packing heat, then NO ONE will get killed … isn’t that the “logic”
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:33 am
@@ – good thing there’s no such organization as the “college republicans”
oh, wait …
For Real
February 22nd, 2011
10:33 am
“It is the whites screaming because they are having the ever increasing burden of supporting a proportionally faster growing group of entitlement/welfare slackers” – So, does that mean only white people have jobs and everyone else isn’t working? Does that mean no white people are on welfare? Does that mean no white people get social security/medicare benefits?
“Our education system is a mess, and needs fixing. Wisconsin is a start, but ending monopoly-style union control isn’t the whole answer by a long shot.” – No teachers union here in GA. So, where do we start in GA?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
“Bosch – well, if EVERYone is packing heat, then NO ONE will get killed … isn’t that the “logic”.
Get your logic straight, USinUK. If everyone is packing heat, the bad guys will LIKELY get killed before they kill too may without.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:35 am
“well, if EVERYone is packing heat, then NO ONE will get killed … isn’t that the “logic” ”
It is, and up to a certain point I’ve always been able to SEE some logic in there…but in practical terms I always have this vision of what amounts to a “circular firing squad”!
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
10:36 am
dave r
You argue that only the police and fire need unions, however which group are the one abusing retirement? I’ve never heard of any teacher making an exhorbitant retirement. The police and fireman on the other hand can retire in 20 years and pad their last five years with overtime. Seems to me that’s where the problem lies. It seems like the teachers get the abuse because the majority are women.
For Real
February 22nd, 2011
10:37 am
“@@ – good thing there’s no such organization as the “college republicans”
oh, wait …
Funny!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:37 am
dave – “If everyone is packing heat, the bad guys will LIKELY get killed before they kill too may ”
cuz the bullets will maaaaaaaaagically kill ONLY the bad guys, never the innocent people caught in the crossfire.
For Real
February 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
“Get your logic straight, USinUK. If everyone is packing heat, the bad guys will LIKELY get killed before they kill too may without.” – Define too many.
MiltonMan
February 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
Liberals & their love/hate for the polls has been diagnosed as bi-polar by the medicial community.
Remeber when the liberals were all giddy about Rasmussen predicting a sKerry victory???
Del
February 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
Powerful polls are the ones taken when voters actually vote.
MiltonMan
February 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
USinUK – against arming citizens; therefore against the 2nd admendment. Please denounced your US citizenship pal.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
Jay
Most interesting. There’s a lot of political opportunity here. Obama Administration came in, results didn’t come fast enough, many voters got disillusioned and Dems paid the price. Now… Reps in office… rather dicey as to whether or not the normal economic turnaround will kick in before the next election, but… all these cut it to the bone cuts Reps are pushing thru? While letting ag subsidies stand, letting millionaires deduct interest on second homes, etc? There’s opportunities here. Dems had the ball, were seen as going overboard to spend money on special interests. Reps could be portrayed as the same, even while the mid to lower economic classes see Reps as cutting programs that benefit them.
So if Pres Obama calibrates his message, stops with all the ‘everyone goes to college’ and does more for votech and other options to give people who haven’t been to college (and who don’t see their kids as going to college), if there’s less publicity about lonnnng term investments and more on short-term (and I don’t mean shovel ready projects, but job retraining) then there are possibilities.
AmVet
“Hey Paul, remember how we’ve laughed at the fact that 20% of people will believe anything?
Look at that number of white people who think BHO is doing too little to help wealthy Americans and the upper class.
Hysterical…””
OH….MY….GOSH…….
Dave R.
“Statistics borne of opinion = unreliable data.”
Not to political strategists, it isn’t. It’s a highly reliable indicator of what the populace it thinking. Whether or not what they think is accurate is irrelevant.
“Too many variables in a small sample.”
Please tell me you’ve had a college-level statistics class –
Bosch
“Hey Paul! Heard two of your state senators this morning talking about a bill that’s probably gonna be passed allowed college kids to carry guns on campus!
Congratulations on that!!”
I’m embarrassed enough already and you had to bring that up?
Conan said it’s a way for parents to ensure their kids get all A’s when they plead their case with teachers.“
George W
February 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
Jay……a race blog? Really? Please pull your tail from between your legs.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
“Because we all know that being a white man in this country can be so hard.”
well, the man has been keeping him down, doncha know …
Well, I am good at what I do!!
<i.“Even though statistics demonstrate that black and Hispanic Americans are getting hit hardest in this recession in terms of jobs and income lost, it is white Americans who feel most vulnerable, most frustrated, most pessimistic and most in need of a government looking out for their interests.”
I saw the poll when they first released it, and didn’t want to mention it here because I thought it would start the whole black/white thing. With some Blacks, optimism is a way of life. When you’re down, there’s only one way to look…
George W
February 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
Jay…..the reason whites may feel most vulnerable (if this is true). Is because the white race as a whole depends less on the government for their day to day needs. Most minorities depend on the governement and see Obama as their messiah.
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
10:44 am
“If everyone is packing heat, the bad guys will LIKELY get killed before they kill too may without.”
Yup. That approach works like a charm in Iraq and Afghanistan and Somalia and Sudan and …
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
Mick, please get my stance straight, will you? I said that if there should be any public sector unions, the only one’s I’d agree to were for public safety personnel, and ONLY if their elected officials don’t take care of them properly with equipment and staffing.
As to abusing retirement? I don’t think so. Maybe YOU think that people over 50 should still be running into burning buildings with temps over 1,200 degrees wearing 75lbs. of gear and equipment, but I don’t. Nor do I think that police should be chasing down 17 year-old perps when they are 55. These are INTENSELY stressful positions, and as such warrant lower retirement ages than other, less-stressful positions. Look at the actuarial tables for firefighters and cops if you don’t believe me.
And don’t even go there on the woman side of this argument. If you have been paying attention to ANYTHING I write, you know that I have called for EQUAL treatment for EVERYONE (hence, my “What part of equality do you NOT get” mantra).
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
OK George. That’s why white Americans were so much more likely to want more government help, right?
George W
February 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Jay…..works well in Forsyth.
George W
February 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Jay…..your sense of reality is totally warped. Your mama should be proud!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
Bosch @ 10:25
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
“I’m embarrassed enough already and you had to bring that up?”
I’m sorry Paul…..
Really, don’t you just want to slap these people upside the head and go “WHAT ARE YOU FREAKING THINKING??????”
AmVet
February 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
Well, fortunately for me, I’ve got to scoot.
Just in time to avoid watching the children hijack the adult’s blog.
Remember good peeps, don’t feed the trolls!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
“cuz the bullets will maaaaaaaaagically kill ONLY the bad guys, never the innocent people caught in the crossfire.”
The law of averages will eventually catch up with you, USinUK.
And Jay, as usual, you argue apples and oranges. It’s what I have come to expect from you.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
“Define too many.”
More than would have happened without another person with a gun.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
Get your logic straight, USinUK. If everyone is packing heat, the bad guys will LIKELY get killed before they kill too may without.
Key word is LIKELY. If they are not trained in how to respond in stressful situations, the bad guy still has the advantage. If the bad guy is good, you may be arming him with additional weapons too…
George W
February 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
Anyone remember this “Right to bear arms”?
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
” the white race as a whole depends less on the government for their day to day needs. Most minorities depend on the governement and see Obama as their messiah.”
Wait AmVet! Wait! It appears we have another “harvey.”
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
dave r
Once again, you miss my point. You see examples of policeman or fireman retiring with over 100k in yearly retirement benefits, you’ll never see that with teachers. I never said that I was against them retiring after 20 years but their much larger retirement benefits are what is straining the system – not the teachers.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
“Anyone remember this “Right to bear arms”?”
Yep, but there’s no right to own bullets
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Milton – what part of “well-regulated militia” don’t you understand?
it looks like I’m better versed in the 2nd than you are –
Dave – I’m sure all the people killed in the crossfire of an “ok corral” style shoot-out will be comforted by the knowledge that the law of averages will eventually catch up with shooters …
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
I’d like the right to arm bears!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
George – do YOU remember “well regulated militia”
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
jm: “Pollsters would do better to go ask people more specific questions (although I’m sure already do). Like “is there too much government regulation of business”?”
I couldn’t agree more that pollsters would do better to ask more specific questions, but not jerry-rigged right-wing propaganda questions like this one.
Instead, here’s what they need to ask people:
The top 13 hedge fund managers posted earnings last year of $1 billion (no typo, that’s billion) on average, which thanks to a capital gains tax loophole protected by the Republican party they were able to get taxed at only 15%. If these earnings were taxed at more ‘normal’ rates – i.e. at rates more in line with what average taxpayers pay, it is estimated that this would generate enough revenue to pay salaries and benefits for some 300,000 teachers. Do you favor closing this tax loophole?
Now that’s what we need to be asking Americans.
larry
February 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
My arms arent bare, they are covered up .
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
dave – I’d just be happy if it was warm enough to bare arms!
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
I’m not surprised by this data. Most working caucasians that I know don’t trust the federal gov’t at all and most of their anger is aimed at the President, who most of my friends (me included) view as a racist. The things most commonly cited (with my friends/family) are:
1) Anger at Obama and the Justice Dept for suing Arizona, when Arizona is trying to keep out illegal immigrants using law enforcement. The takeaway is usually- Obama cares more about the illegals than he does about US citizens and taxpayers.
2) Anger at Obama and the Justice Dept. for the handling (or complete lack of handling) of the Black Panthers case, when black thugs stood at polls holding weapons and threatening white voters, and then the thugs were not prosecuted.
3) The tanning tax.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
“George – do YOU remember “well regulated militia”
I do…but I have a totally different take on it. I think that in order to get a gun license you should still have to meet the criteria of the existing gun laws, but you should also HAVE to be a regularly attending member of a local militia. Don’t attend? Lose your gun license.
larry
February 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
Do you favor closing this tax loophole?
I agree, and i bet i would say over 90% of Americans would say yes.
Port O
February 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
White americans who lack college degrees are the most pessimistic about the country’s economic future?
Sure. Because the great economic and housing correction of 2007 -2009 impacted them as much, or even more, than any other group. That corporate america’s profits are up is directly related to the fact that we are employing fewer under-educated americans. In the future, i you don’t go to college, and aren’t a computer whiz, you won’t be part of the ‘american middle class’ – whatever that is.
As Judge Smails said: “The world needs ditch-diggers too.”
No wonder uneducated white americans hate hispanics so much. They’re taking your jobs.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
Doggone – 10:54 – zackly. it also supports the “it’s to defend ourselves from the tyranny of the gummint” line they like the throw around.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
I see that “ronald” is our latest “trot out the debunked lies” troll
Welcome ronald, too bad we’ve heard them all a gazillion times before, and they’re no truer now than they ever were.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
Jay says “Yeah, jm, Wisconsin students only rank 2nd or 3rd in the nation in both average SAT and ACT scores. Those unions up there are ruining education.”
Jay, please enlighten us with an explanation of how unions are directly correlated with college SAT scores? Please also disprove all the real factors that go into what drives these scores as well.
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
Black Panthers and tanning tax?
Wow ronald, so your family is angered at really stupid red herring wedge issues, huh?
jm
February 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
LWM 10:52 – look, I have no problem with tax equalization. But to do so, you have to eliminate the corporate tax (ie, all entities get taxed the same way). But Obama doesn’t want to do this, so go talk to your liberal President for not being in favor of tax equalization.
George W
February 22nd, 2011
10:57 am
Port O…..I dont believe that white americans hate hispanics. They hate the immigration laws or lack thereof.
jm
February 22nd, 2011
10:58 am
LWM 10:52 – or, if you don’t eliminate the corporate tax, you have to eliminate all taxes on C-Corp dividends and capital gains. Take your pick.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:58 am
“Jay, please enlighten us with an explanation of how unions are directly correlated with college SAT scores?”
No explanation needed…at least, not for those of us who understand that Jay never said anything like that.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
10:58 am
“Welcome ronald, too bad we’ve heard them all a gazillion times before, and they’re no truer now than they ever were.”
I guess I missed where the Panthers were prosecuted…Oh thats right, they never were…..because the Attorney General had the charges dropped. Attorney’s in the Justice Dept. who spent years preparing that case quit there jobs b/c of Eric Holder. Its been documented and the attorney’s involved have explained what happened publically to the media. Did you miss all of this?
MiltonMan
February 22nd, 2011
10:59 am
USinUK – beating his chest because he knows the 2nd better than anyone else???
Please! Pal, the 2nd Ad. was born from the English Bill Of Rights which allowed for arms for self-preservation. Also, as recently as 2008, the US Supreme Court ruled vs. Washington DC that a resident had the legal right to possess a firearm without being associated to the militia.
Take your self-inflated ego & crawl under your rock.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
10:59 am
George W
“Anyone remember this “Right to bear arms”?”
“In 2008, the Court issued a landmark decision in the case District of Columbia v. Heller that established for the first time an individual’s constitutional right to have a gun in his house,…But Alito was also careful to note that in some instances the right to bear arms can be limited.
“It is important to keep in mind that Heller, while striking down a law that prohibited the possession of handguns in the home, recognized that the right to keep and bear arms is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,” he wrote. ”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Supreme_Court/supreme-court-affirms-gun-handguns-home/story?id=10727952
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:59 am
“Its been documented ”
proof?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
10:59 am
Bosch – 10:56 – yes. this has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
ronald – if “education is a mess” because of union labor, then why are union states performing so well in standardized tests???
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
George W
So there’s a right – in your own home. Period, according to that Court decision. It was limited. Strictly.
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
“because the Attorney General had the charges dropped”
…..in the BUSH administration…….
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
“Wow ronald, so your family is angered at really stupid red herring wedge issues, huh?”
Bosch- There is nothing trivial or “red herring” about the Panthers case. The lefts only defense of this issue is to scream “Hey you’re bringing that up again?”
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
Good grief ……. another chart that can be manipulated any way you want.
That said ……….. a college degree might provide a modicum of knowledge (debateable) but not necessarily wisdom.
In any case, this only goes to show there are two Americas out there …………. and that’s not good.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
“…..in the BUSH administration…….”
Incorrect.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:01 am
Milton – ah, so we should observe STRICT adherence to the constitution to exclude privacy, but be a little bendy-loosy-goosy when it comes to “as a part of a well-regulated militia”
thanks for clearing that one up, Consistency Man!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
11:01 am
WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS NEWS REPORT ?
NAIROBI, Kenya – “Four Americans taken hostage by Somali pirates off East Africa were shot and killed by their captors Monday, the U.S. military said, marking the first time U.S. citizens have been killed in a wave of pirate attacks plaguing the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean for years.
U.S. naval forces, who were trailing the Americans’ captured yacht with four warships, quickly boarded the vessel after hearing the gunfire and tried to provide lifesaving care to the Americans, but they died of their wounds, the U.S. Central Command said in a statement.
Two pirates died during the confrontation and 13 were captured and detained, the U.S. Central Command said in a statement from Tampa, Fla.”
I’LL TELL YOU WHAT ………. 13 PIRATES CAPTURED ……….. SICKENING !
snoqualmiepass
February 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
Change? Change you say? Not bloody likely. Why? Because as my Confederate relatives always tell me, “we are still fighting the Civil War”. Wallowing in defeat with false pride, preserving “our way of life”.. Oh Please… spare the rest of us and as I explain to them time after time, I would never, ever live in that section of the country.. Why? I like change, as most of my retired friends would concur.
MiltonMan
February 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
AmVet wrote:
“Well, fortunately for me, I’ve got to scoot.”
Actually, fortunately for all of us.
“Just in time to avoid watching the children hijack the adult’s blog.”
Then he turns around and posts alink to college humor. Classic. Nebraska has to be proud to produce such winners like AmVet.
Remember good peeps, don’t feed the trolls!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
George W
February 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
Paul…..that is interesting. Seems like Alito is trying to modify the constitution. It is funny to me that the Dems feel it is ok to change the Constitution of the United States of America. But mess with their welfare, foot stamps or other Kool-Aid programs and all you see is Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton on the television.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
“There is nothing trivial or “red herring” about the Panthers case”
first of all, it’s not “the Panthers case” it’s the NEW Black Panthers “case” The “New” Black Panthers are a tiny splinter group that has nothing to do with the Black Panthers.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM
“So, with all the kindness I can muster, I give this one piece of advice to the next pop star who is asked to sing the national anthem at a sporting event: save the vocal gymnastics and the physical gyrations for your concerts. Just sing this song the way you were taught to sing it in kindergarten — straight up, no styling. Sing it with the constant awareness that there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines watching you from bases and outposts all over the world. Don’t make them cringe with your self-centered ego gratification. Sing it as if you are standing before a row of 86-year-old WWII vets wearing their Purple Hearts, Silver Stars and flag pins on their cardigans and you want them to be proud of you for honoring them and the country they love — not because you want them to think you are a superstar musician. They could see that from the costumes, the makeup and the entourages. Sing “The Star Spangled Banner” with the courtesy and humility that tells the audience that it is about America, not you.”
Mark Corallo
http://www.lifeafter50.com/Lifestyles/Leisure/THE-NATIONAL-ANTHEM-ISN-T-A-POP-SONG
Bosch
February 22nd, 2011
11:03 am
“There is nothing trivial or “red herring” about the Panthers case. ”
Another example of “yeah, because I say so”
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:03 am
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
10:59 am
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/doj-voting-rights-attorney-resigns-over-black-panthers-stonewalling
George W
February 22nd, 2011
11:03 am
0311……I agree with you.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:03 am
“I never said that I was against them retiring after 20 years but their much larger retirement benefits are what is straining the system – not the teachers.”
Number, Mick, numbers.
We have 34 schools in our county, with about 80-100 or more) teachers employed in each. Not to mention administrators. We have 14 staffed fire stations, with 9-12 firefighters employed in each. We employ about 400 sheriff’s personnel.
Now, you’re REALLY going to make the case that 1/10th of the employees who might retire early are costing us more than the other 90%? And that’s just teachers – not including janitors, admin aides, road pavers, mowers, recreation workers. We’re probably talking 1/15th rather than 1/10th. When the survivor numbers of less than 20 years following retirement are about equal?
Sorry, Mick. That does NOT compute.
MiltonMan
February 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
USinUK – shouldn’t you be preparing for the upcoming royal wedding? With all of your whining, I would assume that you would be the brides’ maid.
@@
February 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
USinUK:
Certainly there are The Young Republicans. Here’s one putting a college liberal to the test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEixq4LUfsU
Pay close attention to the redhead. She’s got all the answers.
When 1,000,000 Iraqis are slaughtered by Saddam Hussein, what should we do?
Her answer? Apologize!
She’s “SO-O-O SMAaaaRT”!!!!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
“The lefts only defense of this issue is to scream “Hey you’re bringing that up again?
did you hear the one about the guy who locked his family inside his car?
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:05 am
Doggone says “first of all, it’s not “the Panthers case” it’s the NEW Black Panthers “case” The “New” Black Panthers are a tiny splinter group that has nothing to do with the Black Panthers”
The name is not whats important. Whats important is that an armed, organized, uniformed group of black thugs set out, quite succesfully, to intimidate white voters at a polling booth.Then Eric Holder directs the Justice Dept. to drop the case with no explanation.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:05 am
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/23/bill-oreilly/bill-oreilly-blames-obama-administration-not-pursu/
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:05 am
milton – “With all of your whining, I would assume that you would be the brides’ maid.”
you know, for a retort to be effective, it should at least make sense.
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
11:06 am
jm:
How do you see the corporate tax as linked to the issue of hedge fund manager pay? Are you saying corporations should be treated as equivalent to persons for tax purposes?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
“dave – I’d just be happy if it was warm enough to bare arms!”
70+ degrees here in GA, USinUK! Feel free to drool. . . .
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
Jay…..the reason whites may feel most vulnerable (if this is true). Is because the white race as a whole depends less on the government for their day to day needs. Most minorities depend on the governement and see Obama as their messiah.
Oh my freaking god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
03 – 11:02 – I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with your post 100%
MPercy
February 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
Fully 43 percent of non-college whites say “hard work and determination are no guarantees of success,” and nearly half doubt that they have enough education and skills to compete in the job market.
True enough. You can be the absolutely most determined and hard-working ditch digger on the planet, and you will be successful at getting ditches dug, but you will absolutely not get rich doing it (which is what I think most people think “successful” means in this context). This is not a value judgment on you as a person–I for one respect anyone who puts forth maximum effort at their tasks, even if they may be considered “lowly”**–but rather a simple economic function. There are simply too many people around you who have sufficient skills to be average ditch diggers.
And it’s not education, per se, that leads to success. It is the skill-set, especially possessing a high-quality rare skill-set, that is economically more valuable and likely to lead to “success”. Just about any healthy person can with a bit of training become an acceptable ditch digger, but few people, no matter how much training/education they receive, can become a neurosurgeon or even a pro quarterback.
** I am reminded of an episode of “Undercover Boss” where the boss worked with one of his company’s employees, whose job was to mop out the porta-poties. That employee approached his job with vigor and a positive attitude: “People think it smells bad, but I think it smells like money”. You can’t help but respect someone like that.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
Dave – I’ll wait until you tell me the dogwoods are in bloom … THAT is what I miss the most
itpdude
February 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
Chris Hedges predicted there would be an ironic right-wing reaction to the right-wing spending policies that put us here in the first place.
30 years of voting against their own interests and we are now here. And those same white people want to continue to vote against their own interest.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
“other than the fact that they were trying to “intimidate” a majority black voter base in a majority Dem district …”
I guess you’re trying to be funny, although not sure how armed thugs at a polling booth is funny for you. Who do you think would feel “threatened” by uniformed, armed black panthers at a polling booth- whites or blacks? There were clearly both whites and blacks at this polling location, but I’m asking you who felt threatened and to what degree?
poison pen
February 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
USinUK, just wait, Global Warming is coming and soon you will be able to bare your arms.
Jay
February 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
Whats important is that an armed, organized, uniformed group of black thugs set out, quite succesfully, to intimidate white voters at a polling booth.
What’s important is to dismiss this persecution myth as utter nonsense.
“an armed, organized, uniformed group of black thugs….?”
Let’s see. There were two guys, not a group.
Neither was wearing a uniform; one of them was dressed all in black. One guy had a small club, the other guy was a legally registered poll watcher.
The cops ran off the guy with the club. No voters have ever said they were intimidated. Criminal charges were dropped by the Bush Justice Department.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
gee @@ … a video??? I’m surprised your attention span lasted that long … (although it DID take you all this time to post that … “response”)
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
11:11 am
dave r
Perception dave, that’s what I’m focusing on. When you hear about public servants retiring making more money than when they were working, it sure as hell ain’t teachers. As for your numbers that don’t compute, see florida and their frs system, very solvent with over 157 billion, how are they doing it?
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
11:12 am
Doggone – “but you should also HAVE to be a regularly attending member of a local militia. Don’t attend? Lose your gun license.”
What nonsense.
George W
February 22nd, 2011
11:12 am
Jay….you are right…the black panthers are an organization of peace and love…..so is the Taliban.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:12 am
Jay – all you had to say was that there were 2 black guys outside the polling station – that’s all ronald needs to hear.
So Be It
February 22nd, 2011
11:12 am
It’s a crying shame…Boo-Hoo-Hoo
For Real
February 22nd, 2011
11:12 am
ronald: How Panthers did they let off?
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
George W
“Paul…..that is interesting. Seems like Alito is trying to modify the constitution.”
I believe Justice Alito wrote the majority opinion.
Saying Justices Thomas and Scalia are trying to modify the Constitution in such an area has to be a first by someone on the Right. The normal argument is they’re the ones trying to keep the liberal justices from modifying the Constitution.
So in this case, given the majority was flawed and the minority was not in favor of a law, is what we have is a case of the entire Court trying to modify the Constitution?
I believe it’s an instance of a case with a narrow focus being brought before the Court and the justices decided to answer the question put to them. But the ‘however’ statements show the thoughts of the majority. And it isn’t good news for the ‘pack anywhere I want” supporters.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
“Whats important is that an armed, organized, uniformed group of black thugs set out, quite succesfully, to intimidate white voters at a polling booth”
yes, that WOULD be important if it happened. It didn’t. Education really DOESN’T hurt you know, even if it does entail a little work to acquire.
George W
February 22nd, 2011
11:17 am
Anyone want to take a guess who the two black panther members voted for?
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
11:17 am
What are you people worried about guns in colleges? Read the paper any week, guns are in High Schools and Middle Schools.
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
11:18 am
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
—————————————————————-
When the Court modifies ‘keep and bear’ the amendment is futile
and infringement is meaningless.
@@
February 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
USinUK:
gee @@ … a video??? I’m surprised your attention span lasted that long … (although it DID take you all this time to post that … “response”)
Didn’t know ALL my attention should be devoted to jay’s blog….that I should scrutinize every post and come up with a “cutesy” response like you do.
Life called. I answered.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
“When you hear about public servants retiring making more money than when they were working,”
It’s an aberration, not the norm, Mick.
Unless you retire in Massachusetts.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:21 am
frog
“When the Court modifies ‘keep and bear’ the amendment is futile
and infringement is meaningless.”
Picking a couple words out of an amendment, without considering the modifiers in the other parts or the historical context or other decisions is rather like picking out “free” in “free speech” and saying everything one wants should be free.
MPercy
February 22nd, 2011
11:22 am
The top 13 hedge fund managers posted earnings last year of $1 billion (no typo, that’s billion) on average, which thanks to a capital gains tax loophole protected by the Republican party they were able to get taxed at only 15%. If these earnings were taxed at more ‘normal’ rates – i.e. at rates more in line with what average taxpayers pay, it is estimated that this would generate enough revenue to pay salaries and benefits for some 300,000 teachers. Do you favor closing this tax loophole?
Well, I think it’s a damn shame that the Federal government is involved in paying teachers at all, so my opinion on this question would be completely skewed by the phrasing no matter what my opinion of the tax “loophole” might be.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:22 am
Oh, and frog,
The Court DID say you can keep and bear arms.
In your home.
Harry Callahan
February 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
Maybe the white voters with no college education would like to see government put a stop to the flood of illegal immigrants taking the lower-skill jobs and/or driving down the wages paid at those jobs.
Maybe the white voters with no college education would like a shot at government jobs with nice benefits, and therefore would like to see civil service exams that don’t award non-white applicants extra points just for being non-white.
Maybe the white voters with no college education don’t have money for private schools for their kids, and would like to see public schools that aren’t handicapped by a flood of non-english-speaking illegals who slow the others down academically and drain financial resources.
Maybe the white voters with no college education would like to work for a living as opposed to depending on government handouts, and therefore would like to see lower taxes and smaller government.
Maybe white voters with no college education would prefer not to pay $5 per gallon to fuel their cars, and therefore would like to see domestic oil drilling opened up and see stupid ethanol subsidies thrown out.
Just sayin’……………
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
“Chris Hedges predicted there would be an ironic right-wing reaction to the right-wing spending policies that put us here in the first place.”
Oh, my freakin’ supernatural deity !
@@
February 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
USinUK:
I’m off to start dinner….just in case you needed to know.
I’m smokin’ a pork butt!
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
Jay says “What’s important is to dismiss this persecution myth as utter nonsense.”
Thats laughable, Jay. You and I both know that if 2 dudes in KKK robes showed up a voting booth with weapons, they would both be put in prison for the rest of their lives. There is very clearly a racial element to this case (and to the lack of prosecution). Some here have denied that they were uniformed, although the video clearly shows that to be the case. It doesn’t matter if its 2 or 5 or 10, the nature of the crime and the lack of punishment are still the same.
And you didn’t deny that 1. Weapons were involved and 2. The punishment (for only 1 guy) was that he was asked not to show up at another poll location until 2012. Thats not punishment, thats a slap in the face.
Now, you’ve attempted to muddy the water by thowing in “Bush Administration.” The Civil charges against the New Black Panthers were dropped by Eric Holder, during the Obama Administration. If you want to deny that, you’re ignoring the facts.
How you defend the lack of prosecution in this case is whats laughable. It shows your character (or lack thereof).
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
MPercy
“which thanks to a capital gains tax loophole protected by the Republican party t”
Last time that came up for revision (tax as earned income, not cap gains) it was DEMOCRATS in the Senate that killed it.
Stereotypes die hard.
Then get resurrected.
Harry Callahan
February 22nd, 2011
11:24 am
“yes, that WOULD be important if it happened. It didn’t”
So you personally witnessed the Black Panthers incident?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:25 am
“Picking a couple words out of an amendment, without considering the modifiers in the other parts or the historical context or other decisions is rather like picking out “free” in “free speech” and saying everything one wants should be free.”
Jay, please focus on Paul’s comments above before writing your next cut and paste job . . .
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:25 am
@@
g’night, @@
“I’m smokin’ a pork butt!”
you’ve piqued getalife’s interest….
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:26 am
“come up with a “cutesy” response like you do”
@@ … DEAR … is diddums having a bad day???
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
11:29 am
Paul, strange that the constitution left out ‘in your home’.
surely they had homes for their arms but those without
homes could not keep and bear arms unless you really
stretch the definition of ‘home’.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:29 am
smoking a pork butt? would hate to see the rolling paper for THAT …
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:29 am
“What nonsense”
I see…you appear to disagree with the Consitution: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
11:30 am
MPercy: “Well, I think it’s a damn shame that the Federal government is involved in paying teachers at all, so my opinion on this question would be completely skewed by the phrasing no matter what my opinion of the tax “loophole” might be.”
Well, guess that’s the difference between you and me.
I’m interested in getting my grubby little socialist hands on the hedge fund managers’ earnings so I can return it to the teachers and other citizens it was redistributed from. And since I know that the Koch brothers and propagandists like the ghoul with the toupee who writes for the Washington Post are working against me, I might just have to work a little bit harder than them in my calm and patient (and sometimes not so calm and patient) efforts to stir up some more militancy in the populace about these issues. But seeing little girls and their mothers skipping school and chanting against the governor in the Wisconsin capitol gives me real cause for hope, and warms my cold grubby socialist heart.
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
barking frog
Constitution wasn’t written to cover every foreseeable condition. It’s like free speech doesn’t give a person the right to yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater. It also left open the possibility for future changes. In the Court’s case, however, it’s a matter of interpretation.
Both sides say they interpret correctly. Even the minority opinion side.
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
So you personally witnessed the Black Panthers incident?
remember, everyone–this incident was a Very Important Historical Event.
(among stupid white guys who troll the Intertubes.)
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
Does one inhale when smoking a pork butt?
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:33 am
“And since I know that the Koch brothers and propagandists like the ghoul with the toupee who writes for the Washington Post are working against me,”
There’s your sign . . .
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
Does one inhale when smoking a pork butt?
no, and I didn’t enjoy it…
MPercy
February 22nd, 2011
11:35 am
Paul @11:23 am MPercy “which thanks to a capital gains tax loophole protected by the Republican party t”
Oops. I failed to note that I was quoting Left Wing Mgt @10:52. The first para there belongs to LWM. The 2nd is my response.
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:35 am
LWM, fine rant, but who is the WaPo “ghoul with the toupee” of whom you speak?
because I may need to steal that, is why I ask.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:36 am
MPercy
I saw that episode of Undercover Boss. That guy’s attitude was quite infectious too….
larry
February 22nd, 2011
11:36 am
Dont you have to have a pretty big mouth to smoke a pork butt?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:37 am
“So you personally witnessed the Black Panthers incident?”
You didn’t see me there?
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
11:37 am
MPercy
Thanks.
Left Wing Management – that one was for you!
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:37 am
Dont you have to have a pretty big mouth to smoke a pork butt?
nope, just a purty one.
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
Doggone – ” see…you appear to disagree with the Consitution: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State””
Again, nonsense. I never mentioned the Constitution. I see basic reading skills isn’t your strong suit. That’s ok.
Anyone who is in good legal standing should be afforded the right to bear arms. Should proper training be put in place prior to a gun purchase? Perhaps. But a meeting attending member of the militia or else your license is lost? Pul-leeze.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
“Dont you have to have a pretty big mouth to smoke a pork butt?”
Not if you roll it right
larry
February 22nd, 2011
11:39 am
Are you sure it was the Black Panthers, not the Carolina Panthers? Or the Union County Panthers? or the Florida Panthers?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
“But a meeting attending member of the militia or else your license is lost? Pul-leeze”
Well, that’s what the Consitution SAYS…so enforce it. We need a well-regulated Militia, so we have the right to bear arms. Then live up to that responsibility and make gun owners be IN that Militia. Simple.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
You know, I get the conundrum of the whole “well regulated militia” thing, and it has always given me cause to question the addition of those words to the 2nd amendment. That being said, given the times (that being a recent war to separate themselves from a tyrannical government through the use of, among other things, militia) I can see why the words were added in.
To use them as a reason for not allowing citizens to own guns is simply convenient for those who do not believe in the practice of individual responsibility and freedom to the same extent as others do. As such, we should never try to dismiss the desire (or right) for individuals to own protection against the excesses of other individuals, or the state.
joe
February 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
no, its that factg that non-college educated white americans have finally waken up to the fact that government cannot be relied on for their own salvation. The only ones who are concerned with your well being are the people who made possible your birth, the person (or persons) you lay with at the end of the day, or those who’s births you made possible. Anyone else who says they have your best interests at heart are full of malarkey. Self-reliance-people, seek it now, or face the consequences later.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
Maybe white voters with no college education would prefer not to pay $5 per gallon to fuel their cars, and therefore would like to see domestic oil drilling opened up and see stupid ethanol subsidies thrown out.
Maybe white voters with no college education would be completely wrong in thinking that domestic oil drilled here would be guaranteed to stay within our borders and would even have an effect on our supply anytime within the next 5-10 years. But, then again, they don’t have a college education, so they would have to rely on what they heard from so-called “experts”.
“Chris Hedges predicted there would be an ironic right-wing reaction to the right-wing spending policies that put us here in the first place.”
Oh, my freakin’ supernatural deity !
Dave, you’re getting the hang of it!!!!!!!!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
Doggone – or a pipe with a bowl the size of a crock pot
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
Paul, you can’t fire a gun in a crowded theater either, even if
all parties agree with the Court’s ruling. In your own home you
can keep and bear arms is meaningless when it can be
changed at government whim and the 2nd amendment is
also meaningless with that ruling. Better that it be a restriction
on the federal government to be unable to bar state militias.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
“Doggone – or a pipe with a bowl the size of a crock pot”
that’ll work!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
smoking a pork butt? would hate to see the rolling paper for THAT …
http://www.shootbank.net/photos/1756.medium.jpg
Hootinanny Yum Yum
February 22nd, 2011
11:43 am
Jay writes, “54 percent of white Americans say government is doing too LITTLE to help…”
Does the poll define “help”? Do all demographics define government “help” the same way?
Polls are pretty much useless. Like most surveys and statistics, they can be manipulated to advocate almost any viewpoint.
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
“Doggone – or a pipe with a bowl the size of a crock pot”
Ohhhh, the visual on that!
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
Doggone – “We need a well-regulated Militia, so we have the right to bear arms. Then live up to that responsibility and make gun owners be IN that Militia. Simple.”
Your arrogance and ignorance often fight each other on this blog. This post is a case in point.
It isn’t simple and not everyone is cut out to be in the militia. To force someone to enroll could do more harm than good.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
“they can be manipulated to advocate almost any viewpoint.”
And so can any viewpoint without polls. At the very least, if you have a poll, you can point to others that agree with you.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:45 am
“It isn’t simple and not everyone is cut out to be in the militia. To force someone to enroll could do more harm than good”
and not everyone in a militia has to march in the front lines. There are maintenance jobs, desk jobs, other support jobs. I didn’t say they had to be fighting fit…just that they would have to be IN the militia.
Uneducated white people
February 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
The real reason white people without college educations are pessimistic is because no one stands up for them. There are no affirmative action programs to guarantee them jobs and their lower educational status means they automatically lose out to better educated people on the one end and then when they have to compete with minorities of the same education level they automatically lose out on those jobs due to racial discrimination- uh, I mean racial preferences.
Lesser educated minorities have Jesse Jackson and other professional race hustlers working on their behalf plus affirmative action. Who speaks for the lesser educated whites? Exactly. No one.
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
I really should comment directly on-topic here but so little of what’s to be mined from this WaPo poll comes as any surprise to me, that it’s hard to think of much.
I guess the silver lining is that African Americans (and to a somewhat lesser extent hispanics), apparently, feel there’s good reason reason to be optimistic about the future of this nation and of their own prosperity.
Also, interesting to see that there’s virtually no difference between white and black on Question 42, that is, a majority feel that you can get ahead if you work hard, regardless of race.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
“Who speaks for the lesser educated whites? Exactly. No one.”
Why do you think unions were invented?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
Ohhhh, the visual on that!
Thinking of something like this:
http://www.ku74.net/uberbong/bong_smoke.jpg
or this:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/huge%20bong/nitr3/funnypicfarm/weed/fpfweed22.jpg
Dave R.
February 22nd, 2011
11:48 am
Off, now, to lunch.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
11:48 am
USinUK:
Why thank you ma’am ! Maybe there’s hope …………… ;o
Would you also agree with my 11:01 ??
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
You know, I get the conundrum of the whole “well regulated militia” thing, and it has always given me cause to question the addition of those words to the 2nd amendment. That being said, given the times (that being a recent war to separate themselves from a tyrannical government through the use of, among other things, militia) I can see why the words were added in.
I believe those words are there not so much because of that “tyrannical government” that had been overthrown, but because there was a raging argument at the time, as to whether the Feds were going to have a standing army at all, or if defense was going to be done at a more local level.
I’ve always seen those words as a kind of kicking the can down the road, really, on that issue, and they left us with something of a mess to clean up.
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
11:50 am
Who’s the ghoul with the toupee ?
Well, he’s part of the propaganda machine that’s white-washing the outrages I described above and that wants the American people to see the budget woes as a zero sum game where everybody has to accept cutbacks, instead of looking at how Wall Street financiers are raping the country.
How John Birch Society Extremism Never Dies: The Fortune Behind Scott Walker’s Union-Busting Campaign
Today, the Bradley Foundation is controlled by a group of establishment Republicans, along with Washington Post columnist George Will. However, the Foundation’s agenda still reflects the extremist views of its founder, Harry Bradley. Although he passed away in 1965, Harry, a member of one Wisconsin’s most powerful families and a key financier of nationalist hate groups, would have eagerly applauded Walker’s union-busting agenda.
http://thinkprogress.org/?p=145492
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
11:51 am
stands for decibals says “remember, everyone–this (Panthers Case) incident was a Very Important Historical Event.”
I never said it was an important historical event. In fact, I’ll say that it wasn’t. The lack of response to the event by the federal gov’t, however, was important. It set the tone for how Holder’s Justice Dept. viewed white’s complaints about racially-driven events. You can’t be tone deaf to a portion of the population and still pretend to represent everyone. The event will continue to be important until an appropriate response is taken by the Justice Dept.
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
0311…..did you see where obama is not invited to the Royal Wedding, but kanye is? Is kanye going to interrupt Kate during her vows and say that Beyonce had the best wedding….EVER?
George W
February 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
Doggone….who speaks for the blacks? Jesse Jacksona and Al Sharpton. I think I would rather speak on my own.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
dB
When you look at the history of Blacks in America, you can’t be too surprised by that optimism. There are exceptions to the norm, but you’re referring to a group that served their country honorably, even when they couldn’t sit in the front of a bus or eat at a lunch counter. Then there’s the group that invented things or improved things that made life easier for everyone even if they didn’t initially get the credit or praise for doing so.
Nothing in that poll surprised me at all.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
just walked by the teevee in our breakroom – the BBC had coverage of Qadaffi giving his “no, I haven’t left the country” speech … he was wearing brown in front of a weird brown background …
he looked like he was dressed up as an Ent.
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
———————————————————–
the entire constitution was a kick the can down the road thing
and that’s why they left it open ended through the amendment
process…..
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:54 am
“The lack of response to the event by the federal gov’t, however, was important.”
Except there WAS a response…you just don’t like the response. That doesen’t mean you are right though.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:55 am
03 – re: your 11:01 – sorry, but I believe in the rule of law – try then and bring them to justice.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
February 22nd, 2011
11:55 am
ghoul with the toupee = George Will…
Doggone….who speaks for the blacks? Jesse Jacksona and Al Sharpton. I think I would rather speak on my own.
Nah homiem, they speak for themselves or anyone who wants them to speak on their behalf. There is no such title as Speaker for the Black People anywhere. There is no vote, appointment, or campaign for that………
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:56 am
“I think I would rather speak on my own”
Who’s stopping you?
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
11:56 am
Doggone – “There are maintenance jobs, desk jobs, other support jobs. I didn’t say they had to be fighting fit”
Again, you’re missing the point. I never said anything about fighting, you have once again put words in my mouth. No matter what your job is in the military, the strucutre and regiment is still there. Some people don’t like that type of environment.
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
Enter your comments here
Hootinanny Yum Yum
February 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
I don’t know… Maybe it views of people like Robert Reich, one of Obama’s “go to” economic advisers, that have whites so down in the dumps.
Speaking as a unemployed, white male, over 50, with an advanced degree; I know I am just thrilled when I think about Reich’s testimony before congress. I’m empowered every time I read his Jan 8th, 2009, blog entitled, “The Stimulus: How to Create Jobs Without Them All Going to Skilled Professionals and White Male Construction Workers.”
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/01/stimulus-how-to-create-jobs-without.html
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
LWM, thanks for the Think Progress bit, but I’m sorry, I’m still confused.
Is it Scott Walker or George Will who’s the toupeed ghoul?
(I thought Scott Walker was better described as one of these…)
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
0311031718111801…..you have not told us what your new blog name means. My guess is that it is the # of people on welfare and/or unemployment, that have tattoos, flat screens, and cell phones! That has to be it.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:58 am
“kick the can down the road thing”
Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin kicking the can down the road …
nope, I think it was a BIT more cerebral than that …
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2011
11:58 am
“No matter what your job is in the military, the strucutre and regiment is still there. Some people don’t like that type of environment.”
I said nothing about the military. I said a MILITIA, as in this sense: “a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.”
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
11:59 am
Bada – I have a tattoo, flat screen and was on unemployment during the dot-com bust … does that count?
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
11:59 am
USinUK have you noticed the danger there that requires
a US air base on every UK airbase ?
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
11:59 am
Bing…its simple…Scout Zero…same silliness, same diatribe….even less filing. You might try Bing Zero
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
12:00 pm
filling….not filing.
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
12:00 pm
Maybe it views of people like Robert Reich, one of Obama’s “go to” economic advisers
oh yeah. Obama’s TOTALLY doing as Reich commands…
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm
barking – a us air base on every uk air base? or us presence?
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
USinUK Were the Constitution written perfectly the
amendment process would not have been included.
@@
February 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
@@ … DEAR … is diddums having a bad day???
Not at all, USinUK.
Peeple, peeple, peeple. Did I say I was smokin’ a pork butt for dinner? NO!
What I said was I’m off to prepare dinner. I’m making pepper steak for dinner.
I was smokin’ a pork butt for fun.
You guys have liberal arts degrees, don’t you?
You’ve got the liberal part down. Problem is you missed “the art”….it’s in the double entendre.
Nice Guy
February 22nd, 2011
12:03 pm
“I said a MILITIA, as in this sense: “a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.””
It matters not, Doggone. The point is still the same.
Here, I’ll do you a favor…gimmie that shovel. You’ve dug far enough.
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
12:03 pm
oh yeah. Obama’s TOTALLY doing as Reich commands…
Exactly.
Btw, it’s Georgie Boy, the bow-tied one, I’m talking about.
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:04 pm
USinUK The USAF says they are airbases thus not
subject to British command.
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
us n uk. It would tell us what kind of person you are if you got the tattos and flat screens WHILE you were on uemployment, or while you were working. Do you see the difference?
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
Btw, it’s Georgie Boy, the bow-tied one, I’m talking about.
that’s a rug? really?
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
12:07 pm
keep it simple. No BING 0 for me….I go all the way to 11.
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
12:08 pm
nope, I think it was a BIT more cerebral than that …
I think they liked to pork a smokin’ butt for fun, actually.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
12:08 pm
Bada – just wondered about the overlap. I mean, if I got the tattoos and flat screens THEN was on unemployment, would that count?
Hootinanny Yum Yum
February 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
sfd,
I don’t believe Obama’s doing as Reich commands any more than I believe the president’s views are shaped by, say, the likes of Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
barking – sorry, I couldn’t even begin to answer that question. I’ve been to Andrews AFB loads of times, but that’s the extent of my experience / knowledge of them.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
barking – I think it was written perfectly – but even the FFs realized that time rolls on and things change …
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
BADA BING:
1) Yep ………… are real diss for the POTUS and Mrs.
2) First two numbers ……. military MOS Second two numbers ……. civilian occupational series
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
UK, you can have all the tats, TVs, iPods, BMWs that you want, I don’t care. I care about anyone that is FLEECING the taxpayers. I don’t give a rat’s ass about your personal life.
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
12:12 pm
Hootinanny Yum Yum:
I’m actually – it may surprise you – not necessarily in disagreement with you over the questionable wisdom of Reich’s framing this as an issue of minority vs “white male” issue, especially since the “long-term unemployed” cohort he wants to help no doubt includes no small number of white males. That aside though, the point he’s making is that if the stimulus is not part of some broader commitment to providing job training and skills, the stimulus projects will simply go to those who already possess the requisite skills.
In any case, as stands for decibels has pointed out, Robert Reich is being listened to by this administration about as much as the Paul Volckers, the Joe Stiglitzes, and the Robert Kuttners, people who favored true reform of the financial sector and a reorientation of the country’s economic system back towards something more in line with a New Deal-type liberalism. Needless to say, their counsels have fallen on deaf ears. The only people Obama really seems to listen to are the Rahm Emanuels, Larry Summers (when they were there) and Tim Geithners of the world.
larry
February 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
Why else would you smoke a pork butt , but for fun?
Just do it in moderation and dont let the law find you .
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
USinUK Thanks. Just wondering..I fail to understand why
we need 25+ airbases in Britain….I took High Altitude training
at Andrews…taught me to respect the little oxygen thing in
the stewardess speech….
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
I don’t believe Obama’s doing as Reich commands any more than I believe the president’s views are shaped by, say, the likes of Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright.
which would be to say, not a whole hell of a lot. (I doubt he’s even spoken to Wright in the past two years.)
I mean, Reich has been telling anyone who’ll listen that we need to have a new batch of much, much higher tax brackets, going up to 70% of all income above 5 million/year.
You really think that sort of proposal has much sway in Middle-Man’s psyche these days?
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 22nd, 2011
12:14 pm
USinUK:
I hear you but but you shouldn’t operate that way in a rescue operation when hostages have already been killed …………. all pirates are assumed to be armed or stapped with explosives. They ALL “get gundowned” in the initial assault and while clearing the boat ………….. the end !
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
12:16 pm
stands for decibels: “that’s a rug? really?”
Oh man, is that a rug?
Are there rugs in the One Thousand and One Nights?
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2011
12:19 pm
@@…about that smoked pork butt…..don’t inhale anywhere near that thing !!
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
12:19 pm
Are there rugs in the One Thousand and One Nights?
I guess I try to look away whenever George Will is on my TeeVee.
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
12:21 pm
So lets be clear…
Scout Zero is not present on a rescue operation but asserts that the trained military personnel on site have erred. No evidence. No facts. No review. No idea what the on the ground facts were. Rush to judgment.
No sense…the end!
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:22 pm
Bada, maybe you should start a Limit Expenditures To Only Necessities
While On Unemployment movement with both federal and state auditors…
Hootinanny Yum Yum
February 22nd, 2011
12:23 pm
sfd,
So; what you’re saying is; the only people that have any influence on you, are those you’ve had direct contact with in the last two years?
Your views, values and perceptions aren’t shaped by those you’ve met, listened to or admired over the years?
Left wing management
February 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
BREAKING NEWS
Wow, with John Thune out of the race now and talk of no Huckabee run, what to make of the rapidly shrinking GOP field?
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2011
12:25 pm
Since it’s still technically Sarah-Free February, I’ll just say that this link is, um, interesting if like that sort of thing.
anyway, gotta leave this time-suck. Later, all.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
12:25 pm
barking – proximity to Europe and Eastern Bloc and ME/ ease of flying north over the pole would be my guess
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:27 pm
USinUK You may be right but it could be just a low rent thing…
Paul
February 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm
@@
“it’s in the double entendre.”
Oh yeah, stiletto lady – I knew you really meant you’ve got a smokin’ butt!
Keep up the good fight!
February 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm
sfd…there’ll be a lot more interesting emails from that book…..rewriting Sarah’s prior claims….like the one about hating her job.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2011
12:29 pm
barking – nah – property prices are ridiculous here
George W
February 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
Can anyone give me an example of the white community acting like this?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a02_1298299818
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
12:31 pm
“Wow, with John Thune out of the race now and talk of no Huckabee run, what to make of the rapidly shrinking GOP field?”
Rapidly shrinking GOP field? Romney, Palin, Pawlenty, Christie, Rubio, Cantor. The last 2 are probably 2 cycles away from being legit candidates. But, I’d be comfortable with 3 of the first 4 against BHO.
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
12:34 pm
ronald
Rubio? You guys crack me up, he’s only been in the senate for a month, what has he done? So far, nothing.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
12:34 pm
Thats why I said 2 cycles away. You can tell when someone has a spark, even young in their congressional lives. Rubio has almost the same message as Chris Christie, who is arguably the de-facto voice of the “fix the deficit” wing of the GOP.
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
12:37 pm
It seems the Chicken Sh– party is really hiding from two states, WIS. and now Ind. WOW ! A party one can be proud of, NOT!
Jefferson
February 22nd, 2011
12:37 pm
Rubio the anchor child ?
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
with President Obama in 2012 would you prefer as a running
mate 1.Biden 2.Clinton 3.Oprah ? It’s highly possible Joe may go
and fall on his sword…
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
Why should Oprah run ? She’s already bought the presidency, she owns Oblunder.
Make me shiver to think we could possibly have to put up with Oblunder and the Queen of Liberalisia.
barking frog
February 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
Deep Throat, In all Kingmakers resides a desire to be King…….
Deep Throat
February 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
frog , Biden is such a joke even the the Great Oblunder wishes he had picked someone else, with Hillary, he would not get to wear the pants of the presidency, with Oprah ? Well there may be something funny going on there, I don’t know but Mrs.Oblunder may be jealous.
SwamiDave
February 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
Of interest would be the following:
To question #11 –
- Jay ignored option C in which respondents attributed approximately the same blame to overspending by consumers as Wall Street financial institutions.
- Noting that, it would be interesting if there was a break-down among those who blamed government in Washington (as much as 60% in whites) between those who blamed government ACTIVITY / INTERVENTION as opposed to the LACK of activity (a conclusion to which Jay’s post attempts to lead).
To question #9:
- This breakdown is more chilling when comparing across racial lines. While most of the concerns are statistically similar (from almost exact comparsions on health care to comparisions on job / employment), the apparent gap shown concern for federal spending and deficits is troubling.
-SD
ken
February 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
I am part of the working class of the South, a college grad and a Republican. Too bad that you pigeon hole non college grads as ignorant. Does not say much for your character or you understanding of Americans. Maybe you change our friends.
I have seenncollege grads that cannot balance a check book. They are running the country!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Matthews
February 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
WHITE VOTERS DON’T VOTE FOR JUST RACE LIKE THE OTHER RACES! WHITE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ISSUES!
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
ronald
I know a few things about marco rubio, an empty suit in my opinion, he will probably be going nowhere fast..
Rightwing Troll
February 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm
This seems apropo considering the column we started the day off with…
“This led Limbaugh, 59, to accuse her of hypocrisy when it comes to her own dietary advice.
“The problem is, and dare I say this, it doesn’t look like Michelle Obama follows her own nutritionary, dietary advice. And then we hear that she’s out eating ribs at 1,500 calories a serving with 141 grams of fat per serving,” he said on his nationally syndicated radio show.
Limbaugh continued: “I’m trying to say that our first lady does not project the image of women that you might see on the cover of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue or of a woman Alex Rodriguez might date every six months or what have you.”
“Michelle … is out there saying if you eat the roots of the tree bark, the berries and all the cardboard stuff, you’ll live longer, be healthier and won’t be obese. OK fine, show us,” he said.”
Couple things here (just the low hanging fruit)…
So we’re expected actually do as we say not as we do, just like Gingrey’s bill to circumvent state’s rights in the face of all the state’s rights rancor as of late?
Pillbo criticizing someone for eating unhealthy? Really? What’s he pushing there (no double entendre intended..) about 295 lbs on his frame? Again, back to “do as I say”…
AND, have you seen the woman? She’s not obese or even overweight. I think she can have a plateful of shortribs every now and again and not have to worry too much about her health.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
Perhaps you are right regarding Rubio. We’ll see. But it sure seems like the GOP is willing to give him a chance to be a star and very few are really given the level of publicity and spotlight that he’s beginning to get. We’ll see what he does with that chance. If he pulls a Bobby Jindal, he’ll be yesterdays news and fast.
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
1:11 pm
I don’t ever recall laura bush on the swim suit cover….that guy is a massive idiot….when you bloviate for three hours daily you’re more than likely to say stupid things but his people hang on every word..pathetic..
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
1:14 pm
ronald
Rubio was a state legislator in my district. The good ole boys from jacksonville rolled him pretty good when he was speaker of the house. Consequently, millions of dollars of miami taxpayer money ends up not in s. florida where its needed, but guess where? Jacksonville.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
Mick
February 22nd, 2011
1:14 pm
Sounds like how federal tax money is sent to Louisiana and Nebraska projects when BHO was using federal tax proceeds to buy support for his medical overhaul.
poison pen
February 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm
I want a job like USinUK has, posts all day then watches a kook on tv in the break room. Your employer must be a sweetheart or they really like getting boned.
Larry
February 22nd, 2011
1:44 pm
Jay not bad until your final comclusion. Obviously, I haven’t read the entire poll but your last statement (it is white Americans who feel most vulnerable, most frustrated, most pessimistic and most in need of a government looking out for their interests.) infers that this group wants more government and I believe this is a false conclusion. The poll reflects the frustration with a government out of control (Obama’s budget calls for post stimulus level spending). Hello, the experts everyone relied on to push stimulus upon us say that the worst is over and that a recovery (albeit slow) is underway. Why do we need post stimulus spending? Taxes have taken close to 1/2 of what I have made through the years (including now – count Federal, state, SS, Medicare, excise taxes, local, government fees, real estate, sales tax, and those same fees and taxes that are passed onto us by business) and you will get to 50% or more easily. So what I see in this poll is a frustration with an ineffective government, not a call for more government. Yes the government should be doing more, but it should be able to do it for a lot less than what they are spending now. Take the Dept of energy – created during the Carter years with the charter to reduce our dependance on foriegn oil. 16,000 employees and 100,000 contractors. Our dependance on foriegn oil has gone from 30% to 70%. Pretty ineffective, so why keep throwing good money after bad?
George W
February 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
Test
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
February 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
Of course, college students don’t get it UNTIL they mature and join the work force. NO brainer, Jay.
Real
February 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
Of course, college students don’t get it UNTIL they mature and join the work force. NO brainer, Jay.
The article does not address college students. It addresses people “without college degrees”. Are you putting college students in that group. The article doesn’t say how college students were classified in the study, or even if they were included at all. This is often the problem with interpreting statistics that others have produced. You never really know what methodology they used, and without that, any interpretation is reduced to a mere guess.
casual observer
February 22nd, 2011
3:40 pm
Federal, state and local debt exceeds size of entire economy…
williebkind
February 22nd, 2011
4:24 pm
“Those attitudes were particularly prevalent among white Americans with less than a college education”
See education dont cure stupid!!!
buck@gon
February 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
“The Post didn’t release data breaking down responses between college-educated and non-college white Americans, but the demographic data it did release was fascinating nonetheless. Take a look at the difference in economic optimism:”
No, WaPo wouldn’t do that because it doesn’t serve its editorial aims of alienating us “college whites” from them “non-college whites”.
The whole poll itself is incredible. I’ve never heard of so many blacks saying that the government is doing enough for them. It would be a hoot to get some other “news” organization to break down the results and prove that the whole Obama-mania really is only about emotional attachment and racial identification.
Since a majority of the country still is white, whether college educated or no, looks like the big “O” is going out with a whimper, at best. Call HIM one-term Jimmy C. version 2.0. I’d love to see a poll about likely voters broken down this way.
eddy
February 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
Top 10 Reasons You Know You Are in a Public Sector Union:
10.) You take a week off to protest in Wisconsin and your office runs better.
9.) On a snow day when they say “non-essential” people should stay home you know who they mean.
8.) You get paid twice as much as a private sector person doing the same job but make up the difference by doing half as much work.
7.) It takes longer to fire you than the average killer spends on death row.
6.) The worse you do your job, the more your boss avoids you.
5.) You think the French are working themselves to death.
4.) You know by having a copy of the Holy Koran on your desk your job is 100% safe.
3.) You spend more time at protest marches than at church.
2.) You have a Democratic congressman’s lips permanently attached to your butt.
1.) You pay more in union dues than you do for your healthcare insurance.
ronald
February 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Right-wing Troll says “Pillbo criticizing someone for eating unhealthy? Really? What’s he pushing there (no double entendre intended..) about 295 lbs on his frame? Again, back to “do as I say”
Right-wing, you were oh-so-close to making a valid point, but your lack of logic ensured that an epic fail would occur. See if you can follow…
1) First lady makes herself a national spokesperson for eating healhty
2) First lady does not eat healthy
3) Rush Limbaugh criticizes her for this contradiction and poor choice
4) You cite Rush’s weight as a reason that he shouldn’t join in on the conversation and you attempt to humorously mention “do as I say, not as i do”
5) Your logic would only work if it were Rush that had made himself a spokesman for eating healthy.
6) As it stands, your logic suggests that you think fat people aren’t allowed to criticize anyone else for anything, because they are fat.
7) You are an idiot…
Sid Farcas
February 22nd, 2011
7:14 pm
Hey Book Man here is an idea for you and Tucker. Act like a democratic state senator from WI or IN and run and hide in Illinois until the Republicans lose control of both houses. It will be best for all. You dems are the biggest bunch of chickensh*ts since oh, I don’t know, maybe qaddafi?
Sid Farcas
February 22nd, 2011
7:16 pm
Eddy, that was pure classic!
TnGelding
February 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
This white boy is tired of all the misrepresentations. The stimulus helped. The economy is growing. The private sector is adding jobs. The public sector is losing jobs. Cutting federal spending will not add one job. Gutting the EPA will be bad for our health. Cutting arts and humanities will be bad for our culture. Dependence on “foreign oil” is a red herring. Social Security is not broke. Nothing is wrong with state pension funds that a DOW 20,000 won’t fix. 401(k)S HAVE REGAINED MOST OF THEIR VALUE, especially if you continued making contributions. (Caps unintended.)
buck@gon
February 22nd, 2011
8:04 pm
Eddy,
Love it!
Del
February 22nd, 2011
8:24 pm
Off Topic,
This slime ball should have got murder one. Too many of his ilk coming here thinking that they can have Islamic Sharia law here in the United States. The administration should make a strong statement that Sharia laws have no place in American society. http://www.ajc.com/news/iraqi-man-convicted-in-848972
Del
February 22nd, 2011
8:25 pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/iraqi-man-convicted-in-848972.html Sorry the link on my last got cut.
Del
February 22nd, 2011
8:27 pm
eddy, LOL
Atlanta 1
February 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm
You can do ‘anything’ with numbers. I’m not even going to read the 336 post in front of me; but can promise you that at least 1/2 have twisted the data to their point of view…
buck@gon
February 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
For any who care to know the truth about the media, there exists at this very moment on the Yahoo page a striking contrast between how liberals are portrayed in the mainstream media and how conservatives are portrayed. Please see “Limbaugh questions First Lady’s Physique” and right next to it, “Aides harsh take on Palin”.
There are legitimate differences between the two takes, but anyone interested might take a look.
Dinheiro Fácil
February 23rd, 2011
3:21 am
Tudo Bem? fascinante este site está muito estruturado………bom trabalho
Adorei faz mais posts assim !
Joel Edge
February 23rd, 2011
6:45 am
“most in need of a government looking out for their interests”
No, it just shows that white America realizes there is no party that works even remotely in their interests. The often mentioned loss of white males voters willing to vote for any Democrat should have given a clue. Nothing new there.