The hypocrisy of the Tenthers and states’ rights defenders
Conservative Republicans make a great show about states’ rights these days. It’s all the rage. The Tenth Amendment, they say, limits Congress to those areas in which the Constitution explicitly empowers it to act. All other responsibility resides with the states. They’re also not real happy with the way the commerce clause — in their eyes — has been stretched to apply to areas well beyond what the Founders intended, particularly health care.
Georgia’s Republican congressmen have been among those leading that charge. U.S. Reps. Phil Gingrey and Tom Price — both of whom happen to be physicians — were co-sponsors last year of a resolution declaring that “the very future of freedom and limited government depends on a restoration of American federalism and a real decentralization of government power.”
In remarks on the House floor, Gingrey has protested bitterly against a “‘Washington-knows-best’ solution and a one-size-fits-all approach,” and both men supported a new House rule requiring bill sponsors to cite a specific power enumerated in the Constitution that would authorize the proposed action.
Of course, the true test of your allegiance to principle comes not when you try to use it to restrict what the other guy does, but when you apply it to yourself. It’s all well and good to preach about the sanctity of marriage vows, for example, but the real test comes in whether you honor those vows in your own life.
So I found it interesting that earlier this week, the House Judiciary Committee decided to brush aside supposed concerns about federalism and states’ rights. By a vote of 18-15 — all Republicans for, all Democrats against — it approved a law that would directly pre-empt and override state laws and longstanding state authority and intrude on states’ rights by imposing a federal, one-size-fits-all solution.
The issue was medical malpractice, a favorite conservative cause. According to Politico, the bill in question would put a “three-year statute of limitations on medical lawsuits, cap non-economic damages at $250,000, and limit punitive damages to $250,000 or twice the economic damages, whichever is greater.”
For the moment, let’s set aside debate on the merits of the law and focus on its necessity: Why should Congress interfere in such an area, given that most medical malpractice suits are argued in state courts, under state laws? Until now, every state has had the right to decide such issues on its own. Some states have tough laws, some have more lenient laws. That’s the essence of states’ rights, as I understand it. So what’s the justification for imposing what Gingrey might call “a Washington-knows-best’ solution”?
More importantly, where exactly in the Constitution does it say that Congress shall be empowered to dictate to state governments, state courts, state judges and state juries how they should handle state cases of alleged medical malpractice? What’s the source of that federal authority? I’ve looked in my handy pocket Constitution, and I can’t find such a provision anywhere. Under conservative legal theory, it certainly can’t be the commerce clause, given that the commerce involved is strictly intra-state, not interstate. Most people do not cross state lines to get medical care.
Curious, I went digging into the Congressional Record. Under new House rules, remember, sponsors are required to cite congressional authority for their proposed bill. And sure enough, on Jan. 24, the bill’s sponsor — a “Mr. Gingrey of Georgia” — cited the commerce clause as his authority.
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thomas
February 18th, 2011
11:47 am
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:43 am
Easy now Bosch,
Are you saying by choosing to live here you give up the right to any other choices that go against the majority?
Especially personal choices like my Personal health care.
Now I know you would not be claiming that, but wanted to inform you that there is going to be someone to accuse you of that very thing.
Peadawg
February 18th, 2011
11:47 am
““Does anyone Know what a “Cracker-like” mentality is?”” – Sorry if this sounds racist, but I would probably guess it the white-equivalent of a “n-word-like” mentality.
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:47 am
“Yes. I don’t.”
????????
“but when you start saying that the people of this great country HAVE to buy insurance or pay fine…you getting too close to communism.”
Oh save me the melodrama. The government tells people they have to do alot of things.
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:48 am
thomas,
No, but if it is the law of the land, and you live in that land, then you abide by that law.
thomas
February 18th, 2011
11:49 am
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:45 am
“Does anyone Know what a “Cracker-like” mentality is?”
Not sure, but I’m sure salt is involved somehow
I hope sodium free!
I don’t drink enough water in the winter and affraid I may have a cracker-like mentality
Moderate Line
February 18th, 2011
11:49 am
Ok. Let’s say Republicans are hypocrits on the Federal vs States power issue. Now look at the impact of malpractice lawsuits. According to an article by AP at least 20% of test are motivated by protecting the doctor from lawsuits.
Defensive imaging accounted for 20 percent of total tests — 11 percent of X-rays, 38 percent of MRIs, 33 percent of CT scans, 57 percent of bone scans and 53 percent of ultrasounds.
Defensive medicine also accounted for 35 percent of costs, nearly all of it from MRIs.
One example: a torn meniscus, a knee cartilage injury that is a leading reason for knee surgery. Studies have shown that a doctor’s judgment based on symptoms and an exam is even better than an MRI to diagnose the condition. Yet patients hardly ever go to surgery without having the imaging test, Flynn said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_he_me/us_med_medical_tests_malpractice
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:49 am
Peadawg,
It’s not that I don’t get your point, it’s that your point is stupid and makes no sense to anyone with a functioning brain.
buck@gon
February 18th, 2011
11:50 am
Memo To Jay Jay “Binks” Bookman
From CC Tucker
Hey Buddy, It’s the weekend!! Hadn’t sent you a memo all week & wanted to let my bosses know I’m just doin’ my job, ya know?
Wheeehoooo! You going down to Tongue & Groove for some suds. Wait for me. Black girl gotta get her hair done!
I LOVE this weather and the word hipocrisy. I just LOVE that word when you use it. It keeps ‘em off guard, you know.
It’s the spending Jay Jay. We need to let HIM do what he has to do to get the country back on track. It’s up to HIM, and all we need is a little more money and time. We can’t let Congress get a foothold. This isn’t about money at all. It’s about hypocrisy (how do you spell that word anyway?) and who do you trust, you know? I mean who are you going to trust, Jay Jay? The first historical President we’re all proud of for the first time ever, or some guys who don’t even do what they say they do?
Love ya,
Hugs, xoxo
CC
thomas
February 18th, 2011
11:50 am
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:48 am
Not true!!!!!!
You don’t obey the law of the land……..
What you got about another 4 hours and 40 minutes???????
getalife
February 18th, 2011
11:51 am
“Pandora’s box shouldn’t be opened.”
cons finally got one right.
This is very rare .
Normal
February 18th, 2011
11:52 am
Josef,
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:52 am
thomas @ 11:50 — maybe I haven’t had enough water today, but huh??
Left wing management
February 18th, 2011
11:52 am
What’s a cracker-like mentality?
It’s the thinking of a middle-aged white man who drivers a beat up car with a ‘Bush/Cheney’ sticker on federal highways paid for in previous generations through the very taxpayer supported programs he’s now told to denounce, which he does dutifully.
It’s the thinking of a state lawmaker who attempts to stop implementation of a health reform plan, which itself is a Republican plan, at his state border, claiming that it’s an encroachment of federal powers on his state’s affairs, meanwhile he has no intention of doing anything about the uninsured.
Stuff like that, you know ..
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
11:52 am
See, the hc mandate sounds all nice in theory, but when you start saying that the people of this great country HAVE to buy insurance or pay fine…you getting too close to communism.
So, instead of having everyone pay for their own insurance, you would rather have moochers riding your insurance policy and forcing you to pay more. Ok……
Peadawg
February 18th, 2011
11:52 am
““Yes. I don’t.”
????????”
Alright Bosch, now I’m just feeling sorry for you. I’ll spell it out for you:
“Do you have health insurance?” – Yes.
“If so, why do you like paying for the health care of others that don’t?” – I don’t.
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
11:53 am
Left wing
just go back and insert “Ch*nk,” “Y*d,” “Sp*ck,” “W-p,” “R*ghead” or what have you and see what it comes off as…
You’re simply trying to rationalize your own bigotries and prejudices and, as I said, it weakens your arguments…
George W
February 18th, 2011
11:53 am
THANK JEHOVAH FOR THE CRAKER LIKE MENTALITY!!!
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:53 am
““If so, why do you like paying for the health care of others that don’t?” – I don’t”
I’m really sorry to have to be the one to tell you this Peadawg, but yes, you do.
jt
February 18th, 2011
11:54 am
“Nope. Ain’t bigotry when it’s aimed at neo-crackers and cracker apologists (like jt). It’s good sense!”
I’m alright with being called a “cracker” by a collectivist. In fact, I relish the disdain.
It just shows that I am on the right side of decency……Not unlike the Democrats in Wisconsin. If you have to FLEE, then you are definetly not on the right side of decency.
jm
February 18th, 2011
11:54 am
The stock market has to be one of the coolest things ever. All started under a buttonwood tree…. thank heavens for buttonwood.
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:55 am
Peadawg,
Sorry, I might have misinterpreted your response — when you wrote “I don’t” — did that mean you don’t LIKE paying for it, or that you simply think that you don’t pay for it.
Because you do pay for it.
Dusty
February 18th, 2011
11:55 am
SoCo & Normal,
Retrospect is just fine . But you cannot change history. In the time after 9/11, the information from our best security people, the CIA & British Intel, all led to the same conclusion. Saddam had wmds and was a threat. If all that info was incorrect, nobody knew differently. Our leaders were not ready to let this country be attacked. They decided on prevention.
Now, YOU THINK YOU KNOW BETTER. We do. But that is long after the fact. LONG AFTER THE FACT.
Don’t bother to tell me about the horrors of war. I already know about them.. Every generation of my family has had members in the military including my father, my husband and my son. They served because they loved this country.
If you want to run down our former president and people who served, you can do it. But you disgrace your country after serving yourself in conflicts we have fought in. Why you want to do that may be from personal discomfort. Whatever. But I will not change history for your convenience.
George W
February 18th, 2011
11:55 am
jt…..amen brother.
Peadawg
February 18th, 2011
11:57 am
“I’m really sorry to have to be the one to tell you this Peadawg, but yes, you do.” – Mind reader in the house!!!! LOL!
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:58 am
Peadawg,
No, it’s not mind reading, if you have health insurance — as it stands now, you pay for the health care of those that don’t. Again, sorry to have to break that news to you buddy.
Peadawg
February 18th, 2011
11:59 am
“did that mean you don’t LIKE paying for it” – You asked if I Iike paying for others’ insurance and I said I don’t. Sorry I didn’t spell it out again, I keep forgetting. I don’t like. Better?
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
11:59 am
Hey Dusty!
“If all that info was incorrect, nobody knew differently”
Except all the people who were saying that it was incorrect.
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:00 pm
jt
O-si-yo!
Don’t necessarily bother me when somebody calls me a Cracker, a Y-d, a F-g, or whatever, just depends on the mentality prompting it…left wing is just an u-ne-ga duk-sha-ni
George W
February 18th, 2011
12:01 pm
Josef…..that was great hahaha.
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
12:02 pm
Yes, Peadawg, that’s better. So, you don’t like paying for the health care of moochers who get free health care and those costs get passed along to health insurance companies, like yours, for example, but your okay with that? You don’t mind paying for that?
Gee, I thought you were all about personal responsibility and all that, but if you LIKE paying for others health care while they pay nothing, then well, okay…..
Left wing management
February 18th, 2011
12:04 pm
jt: “I’m alright with being called a “cracker” by a collectivist. In fact, I relish the disdain.”
Oooh, nice Roosevelt paraphrase. Touche (but only in form, not content).
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:07 pm
Why is it ok for black people to call a white person a cracker
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
12:07 pm
Dusty
No matter what Intel said about Hussein, he had nothing to do with Saudi Nationals flying planes into buildings and killing Americans. The appropriate response for 9/11 should have been Tomahawk cruise missiles and B-52’s flattening out any part of Afghanistan/Pakistan where AQ had training camps. We didn’t need boots on the ground, and we didn’t need to take out Saddam.
No amount of revisionism or rhetoric will change my perception on that. Instead of swiftly and decisively punishing those who attacked us, we flailed out like two females fighting using the old windmill fighting style. Instead of precision and decisiveness, we got 10+ years of needless war.
Peadawg
February 18th, 2011
12:07 pm
“Gee, I thought you were all about personal responsibility and all that” – Oh I am punkin. But mandating that everyone must buy insurance or pay a fine is going down what you would, a slippery slope. I also don’t like moochers on food stamps, Medicaid, etc but they don’t seem to bother the left too much.
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:07 pm
jt
You can’t join the Cracker club…you have to be white for that…didn’t you get the memo?
getalife
February 18th, 2011
12:07 pm
“Now, YOU THINK YOU KNOW BETTER. We do. But that is long after the fact. LONG AFTER THE FACT”
Dusty,
You were de ad wrong.
Get over it and move forward..
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
12:08 pm
Dudley
It’s not…
getalife
February 18th, 2011
12:08 pm
White powder!
Snort!.
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:08 pm
SoCo @ 12:07
Love that analogy
Normal
February 18th, 2011
12:09 pm
Dusty,
all I have to say is God love you.
My point is merely this. I want to save American lives and they were wasted. Young men and women who no longer get to live the American Dream. The CIA and British Intelligence were knowingly feeding misinformation to the public as it was later revealed. There was NO reason for the war ON Iraq other than a Teas village idiots delusion. There could have been a should have been further investigation. The Inspectors were already saying there was nothing there. We should have been more thorough.
No Dusty, I do not disgrace my Country, you do. By keeping your head in the sand and repeating the lies, you, ma’am, disgrace the country and all of the young men and women who gave their lives for the lie.
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:09 pm
Getalife
Share????
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:10 pm
SoCo
@ 12:08
Beat me to it…
getalife
George W
February 18th, 2011
12:10 pm
Normal…..I served in Iraq. You are the disgrace.
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
12:10 pm
“I also don’t like moochers on food stamps, Medicaid, etc but they don’t seem to bother the left too much.”
But you are okay with moochers who have a more direct effect on your personal expenses, something that costs you hundreds of dollars, as opposed to a few bucks a year (the food stamp Medicaid folks). Okay, dude, whatever floats your boat.
getalife
February 18th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Share????”
Socialist.
jt
February 18th, 2011
12:11 pm
Left wing management-
In closing, I don’t hold nothing agin ya.
If I felt like you did…………………….that everything cool in the world was only because of the federalies or some union…………………..then I would insult individuals too.
For some people it DOES take the collective intelligence to lead a good life.
For most, we do it on our own…
Your intelligence quota is not your fault….and it is your right to pool your intelligence with everyone else that wants too……..It ISN’T your right to pool everyone’s wealth………..and I love you just the same.
May the State reign down upon you the blessings that you percieve that it can, and may the more intelligent among us not have to listen to you biatch when reality rears its beautiful head.
Bosch
February 18th, 2011
12:11 pm
Later folks! Off to lunch…..
MiltonMan
February 18th, 2011
12:12 pm
hypocrisy? You want hypocrisy – how about Obama praising Egyptians protestors as peaceful but bashing tea party members are racists? No mention of the chosen one on speaking out about the rumors of Wisconsin protestors siptting on people??? The clown president was all over the tea party members on rumors of shouting racial garbage.
How about the Hildabeast in a recent speech about how good it is to protest but during that speech an American vet was hauled out for his silent protest.
Funny to see Jay & his lemmings on here complaining about the republicans yet their foundation is on sinking ground.
Good to see the demorats in this state further & further slide into nothing more than a 3rd party.
jt
February 18th, 2011
12:13 pm
josef nix
I pass for white……………
.
.
when and if I want to .
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:13 pm
Getalife
Lmfao
MiltonMan
February 18th, 2011
12:15 pm
Normal – sitting on his high thrown just like his man Obama. Hey Normal, you doing anything to close out this war other than post garbage??? Your man told us that he would end the war within 16 months of taking office.
Also, gas is 3+ dollars, who are you libtards going to blame on this?
Peadawg
February 18th, 2011
12:15 pm
Bosch, the day liberals say do away with welfare and entitlements that taxpayers pay for, I’ll be on board with y’all on the health insurance mandate. Deal?
Paulo977
February 18th, 2011
12:15 pm
Doggone..”, they should have passed it as a tax for Single Payer healthcare.” Oh definitely. Unfortunately we as a nation don’t seem to have arrived at the collective consciousness that the total wellbeing of a people is secured when ALL are well serviced !!!
Mr_B
February 18th, 2011
12:16 pm
Jimmy62: Malpractice cost are only a tiny fraction of healthcare spending; less than 1% according to the CBO. And how is tort reform, which only applies to malpractise cases, going to affect the rise in health care costs “brought on by various regulations” as you claim?Georgia managed to institute it’s own caps and so could any other state that felt the need to.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
12:16 pm
Bosch
See my 11:52
Dudley
That’s the best way to describe what we did. We knew who attacked us on 9/11, and we knew where they trained. We have guided munitions that can almost ring the doorbell before entering the house and decimating the whole damned building. There was, and still is, no reason to have troops on the ground. There are Afghani’s who have no idea of what happened here on 9/11/2001, and it’s been almost 10 whole years. We shouldn’t be bothering innocent civilians. We should have responded quickly and struck with a blow strong enough to let everyone know not to fu*k with us again. Instead, we’re stuck in two countries with no possibility of complete exit before the year 2100.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 18th, 2011
12:18 pm
Jay:
Serious questions:
1) The language in any Amendment to the Constitution is just as valid as any language in the main body of the text ………………. true or false?
2) What is the purpose of the 10th Amendment?
3) Can you name me just “one” thing in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution that positively and absolutely prohibits federal government involvement ?
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:18 pm
jt
I want to see your CDWB card!
Jimmy62
February 18th, 2011
12:20 pm
Why hasn’t Obama shut down Guantanamo as he promised? Why hasn’t he pulled our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Why did it take till Congress was taken over by the GOP to end the Patriot Act?
These are all things that were so important during the campaign, and now the Dems don’t want to talk about them because they know that either Obama is a liar, or that Obama realized Bush was right, and that things are a little more complicated than the left likes to portray.
It’s easier to call the GOP a bunch of names than face the truth.
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 18th, 2011
12:20 pm
Question for all out there:
Do you think it should be legal for demonstrators to demonstrate in front of or picket someone’s private residence ?
getalife
February 18th, 2011
12:20 pm
The first illegal immigrants in our country was the pale face better known as white flower.
The real nativists own the Casinos.
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:20 pm
SoCo
I agree totally, how many times did they show missiles hitting targets such as front doors, moving vehicles and such. Shoulda just leveled the mountains of Afghanistan and been done with it!
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:20 pm
SoCo
@ 12:16
Yep.
Left wing management
February 18th, 2011
12:21 pm
jt: ” ……..and I love you just the same.”
Hey, we gonna just throw love around here are we gonna get on with the shoutin!
Naw, it’s all good. I hear what you’re sayin.
For the record, I descend from crackers. So guess you could say I’m one myself. But I like to take issue with them.
George W
February 18th, 2011
12:21 pm
Ok ladies…I am out heading to Florida for the weekend. Wow it is great to be white and rich!
Adam
February 18th, 2011
12:21 pm
Basically this means that the Republican states rights chant only applies when they want it to, as in cases where they want to do something different than what the federal government would do, or when they don’t need any federal money.
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:22 pm
Don’t wen want to start with Iraq.
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:22 pm
Scout
@ 12:20
No, I don’t.
getalife
The buffalo’s back!
Adam
February 18th, 2011
12:23 pm
0311: Do you think it should be legal for demonstrators to demonstrate in front of or picket someone’s private residence ?
Is the area being picketed on a public area?
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:23 pm
Oops. Even
larry
February 18th, 2011
12:24 pm
I guess Dusty didnt see or hear about this…………………….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/feb/15/curveball-lies-us-war-iraq-video
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:24 pm
Left wing…
Then if you are, say, “being one myself…” and THEN you can be taken more seriously. Folks criticizing their own generally are…
Normal
February 18th, 2011
12:25 pm
George W,
I served in Nam three tours. I can’t help what you feel but I am glad you survived.
Adam
February 18th, 2011
12:26 pm
Jimmy62: Why did it take till Congress was taken over by the GOP
Wait, all of congress was taken over by the GOP and the Patriot Act ended? Must have missed those memos…
getalife
February 18th, 2011
12:27 pm
Yes, instead of dusty screaming at us because she was de ad wrong, she should scream at curveball.
He brags about lying to us.
Normal
February 18th, 2011
12:27 pm
MiltonMan
February 18th, 2011
12:15 pm
Nixon said the same thing but he didn’t either. Anyone here will tell you what I’ve been doing to stop the war. How about you? Are you in uniform yet and ready to go?
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:27 pm
Adam
Quo vadis habeas corpus?
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 18th, 2011
12:27 pm
Normal:
3 Tours ? God bless you !
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 18th, 2011
12:29 pm
Adam:
On someone’s property would obviously be tresspassing and taken care of.
So, yes, I am talking about demonstrating on public property (sidewalk, street, etc.) in front of someone’s private residence.
Jay
February 18th, 2011
12:29 pm
Scout:
1.) True.
2.) Its purpose is self-evident.
3.) No. And neither can you. If the Founders had wanted it to be specific, they could have made it so.
Adam
February 18th, 2011
12:30 pm
public property is public property. The only thing you need to do in most places is get a permit approved to demonstrate there.
jt
February 18th, 2011
12:30 pm
josef nix
I’ve got family members who bug me about that all of the time. My name is recorded in several documents.
I am happy to say, just like my Szhitzu dog, I have no papers, although to my wife, I am priceless.
The Tsalagi spirit is stronger than papers. I know when I awake each morning.
getalife
February 18th, 2011
12:31 pm
I watched “The Battle of Marjah” on HBO.
Patraeus was right.
It was like watching paint dry.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
12:32 pm
Dudley
That’s what the B-52’s are for. I’ve talked to people who served in Vietnam who said they could feel the ground shaking dozens of miles away in S. Vietnam when the B-52’s were bringing the pain to the north. If that’s not a psychological deterrent, I don’t know what else would be.
Why hasn’t Obama shut down Guantanamo as he promised?
He signed the executive order. Congress refused to fund it, based on NIMBY.
Why hasn’t he pulled our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
He’s withdrawn all combat troops from Iraq, and he has plans to begin withdrawl from Afghanistan once it’s feasible to do so.
Why did it take till Congress was taken over by the GOP to end the Patriot Act?
Congress just voted to extend parts of the Patriot Act, therefore it has not ended. You should brush up on current events just a wee bit more.
Feds Out Of The States!
February 18th, 2011
12:35 pm
Yeah and Obama & Dem Co. had nothing but love for States Rights and Arizona’s gun law and immigration law. Currently they have nothing but love for Wisconsin trying to get its budget under control and – GASP! – asking union people to “pitch in” and help fix the budget crisis. Sound familiar libs? And just watch them have meltdowns when more States start rejecting that economic Titanic known as Obamacare.
But we’ve got 10% unemployment after an $800-plus billion stimulus bill was passed; we have a disaster in the making in the Middle East; we have gas prices on their way to $4/gallon this summer (where’s the Bush-like outrage on gas prices, Libs?); we’ve got a massive battle against out of control federal government spending.
Over half a dozen states are in a deep budgetary crisis. Will we be seeing more unions, Obama, and the DNC special interests trying to interfere with States Rights and trying to get their budgets under control? One can only wait and see.
Dudley (can the people on tv see me?)
February 18th, 2011
12:36 pm
SoCo
That’s exactly what I am talking about. And if that don’t work, Then we nuke em till they glow then shoot em in the dark!
jt
February 18th, 2011
12:37 pm
Left wing management
Touche.
You are a good soul… I can feel it……We all go astray from time to time………………..
Repeat three times……………………Federal government,Get thee behind me.(you’ll be alright).
Peace and ……………………listen to the Gourd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCAM3C3dpIA
Jimmy62
February 18th, 2011
12:39 pm
For those of you who like to bring up the Interstate Highway system as an example of conservatives being hypocrites, several points:
1. Conservatives are for small government, not no government. Even most libertarians think there’s an essential need for government. The problem is most liberals won’t bother to educate themselves on conservative and libertarian beliefs, they rely on buzz phrases reported by the mostly left-wing media rather than actually learning about conservatism and libertarianism.
2. The Eisenhower Interstate Highway System was developed for the military. Civilian use is secondary. But since y’all seem to be hostile to defense spending, I guess that means you are against the Interstate Highway System? Either that, or you are just too ignorant to know the facts.
JohnnyReb
February 18th, 2011
12:39 pm
Can anyone tell me the day of the week and time? I hit my head when laughing frantically reading Bosch’s post back on Page 1 where he states “they (Democrats) don’t feel it is their place to impose their beliefs on others….” Is this blog a parallel universe or what?
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
12:40 pm
ROFLMAO @ Dudley!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0311/0317 - 1811/1801
February 18th, 2011
12:40 pm
Jay @ 12:29 pm
“Scout:
1.) True.
2.) Its purpose is self-evident.
3.) No. And neither can you. If the Founders had wanted it to be specific, they could have made it so.”
Thanks for your prompt response.
1) Agree
2) Agree
3) I Agree with this caveat:
Since neither you, nor I, nor anyone else can name “one thing” in the 10th Amendment that absolutely prohibits federal government involvement and since as you say the purpose of the 10th Amendment is “self-evident”, then by deduction that Amendment to the Constitution has become de facto null and void ……………….. something the founding fathers also did not intend.
Sadly, when one Amendment is “ignored” that cheapens the authority of the entire Constitution because any part thereof can be next.
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:40 pm
Jt
That thing about the Tsalagi spirit and papers…if America knew a tenth of the story that went into THAT paperwork shuffle and is still going on today. Somebody asked Unmentionable about why he does it when he doesn’t “take advantage” of what the papers bring…”pure spiteful meaness!”
Jimmy62
February 18th, 2011
12:41 pm
Whoops… Want to retract my point #2 up there. A little more research proves me to be the ignorant one on that point.
Adam
February 18th, 2011
12:46 pm
0311/Scout: The amendment is not supposed to prohibit. It is instead supposed to help protect the right of states to govern themselves when they wish to do so unless otherwise stated in the Constitution. It is also supposed to help protect the federal government from being thrown completely out of the states on a whim. This is a bit of a conundrum isn’t it? The entire point is that the discussion will ALWAYS continue on. The state doesn’t have absolute power, nor does the federal government.
Kind of like unions versus big corporations. Neither truly has the upper hand, so neither can completely overwhelm the other.
Left wing management
February 18th, 2011
12:47 pm
jt: 12:37
California love!
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 18th, 2011
12:47 pm
Jimmy @ 12:41
I can respect you a whole lot more based on that admission. Many here don’t have the testicular fortitude to admit when they are wrong.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2011
12:48 pm
What are states supposed to do when the Federal Government abdicates it’s responsibility? The Federal Government is supposed to provide for the security of it’s citizens, one of it’s prime duties. Even when American citizens are killed on American soil protecting their property, they do nothing. But when states like AZ have to pass laws to protect their citizens when the Federal Government does nothing, they are racist, overstepping their bounds, insensitive, non-caring….. How dare they project their opinions? How dare they defy the all knowing and compassionate Federal Government? The Wisconsin disagreement is another states rights struggle between it’s citizens the state house. They do not need or want Bozo’s support of the unions which he so graciously gave today. We also didn’t need Bozo’s support of that university professor or his criticism of the police officer that arrested him. It’s none of Bozo’s business.
Normal
February 18th, 2011
12:49 pm
Jimmy62,
for you…
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2006/summer/interstates.html
josef nix
February 18th, 2011
12:50 pm
jt
@ 12:37
Ain’t that America!
Mick
February 18th, 2011
12:52 pm
scout
What’s up with the numbers? That crawling eyeball movie scared the bejeebus out of me when I was four…
jt
February 18th, 2011
12:52 pm
josef nix
I toss and turn SOME nights thinking of the “potential” benefits.
But others, I sleep like a lamb.
There are incredible hoops to contend with, and you probably know that I refuse to even wear a selt-belt. Also, my brother is perpetually running from the law. If you are familiar with the process, then you know that problem. And besides, it doesn’t matter except to the feds. My bloodline is documented. (one millioneth part,,all of the people).