The hypocrisy of the Tenthers and states’ rights defenders

Conservative Republicans make a great show about states’ rights these days. It’s all the rage. The Tenth Amendment, they say, limits Congress to those areas in which the Constitution explicitly empowers it to act. All other responsibility resides with the states. They’re also not real happy with the way the commerce clause — in their eyes — has been stretched to apply to areas well beyond what the Founders intended, particularly health care.

Georgia’s Republican congressmen have been among those leading that charge. U.S. Reps. Phil Gingrey and Tom Price — both of whom happen to be physicians — were co-sponsors last year of a resolution declaring that “the very future of freedom and limited government depends on a restoration of American federalism and a real decentralization of government power.”

In remarks on the House floor, Gingrey has protested bitterly against a “‘Washington-knows-best’ solution and a one-size-fits-all approach,” and both men supported a new House rule requiring bill sponsors to cite a specific power enumerated in the Constitution that would authorize the proposed action.

Of course, the true test of your allegiance to principle comes not when you try to use it to restrict what the other guy does, but when you apply it to yourself. It’s all well and good to preach about the sanctity of marriage vows, for example, but the real test comes in whether you honor those vows in your own life.

So I found it interesting that earlier this week, the House Judiciary Committee decided to brush aside supposed concerns about federalism and states’ rights. By a vote of 18-15 — all Republicans for, all Democrats against — it approved a law that would directly pre-empt and override state laws and longstanding state authority and intrude on states’ rights by imposing a federal, one-size-fits-all solution.

The issue was medical malpractice, a favorite conservative cause. According to Politico, the bill in question would put a “three-year statute of limitations on medical lawsuits, cap non-economic damages at $250,000, and limit punitive damages to $250,000 or twice the economic damages, whichever is greater.”

For the moment, let’s set aside debate on the merits of the law and focus on its necessity: Why should Congress interfere in such an area, given that most medical malpractice suits are argued in state courts, under state laws? Until now, every state has had the right to decide such issues on its own. Some states have tough laws, some have more lenient laws. That’s the essence of states’ rights, as I understand it. So what’s the justification for imposing what Gingrey might call “a Washington-knows-best’ solution”?

More importantly, where exactly in the Constitution does it say that Congress shall be empowered to dictate to state governments, state courts, state judges and state juries how they should handle state cases of alleged medical malpractice? What’s the source of that federal authority? I’ve looked in my handy pocket Constitution, and I can’t find such a provision anywhere. Under conservative legal theory, it certainly can’t be the commerce clause, given that the commerce involved is strictly intra-state, not interstate. Most people do not cross state lines to get medical care.

Curious, I went digging into the Congressional Record. Under new House rules, remember, sponsors are required to cite congressional authority for their proposed bill. And sure enough, on Jan. 24, the bill’s sponsor — a “Mr. Gingrey of Georgia” — cited the commerce clause as his authority.

gingrey

– Jay Bookman

494 comments Add your comment

Paulo977

February 18th, 2011
10:30 am

larry

February 18th, 2011
10:31 am

But……but……………but health care reform is unconstitutional according to the same Article in the constitution.

hypocrisy, its one of the Republican platforms .

josef nix

February 18th, 2011
10:33 am

The Tenth! Almost as much fun as the Second! Let the games begin…

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

February 18th, 2011
10:34 am

Jay

Remember the first rule of Logical Political Actions: It’s ok if you are a Republican!!!!!

They don’t have to follow the examples or values they preach about. They only have to pay lip service to them to get full credit with the base. It’s those darned Liberals who have to actually perform those actions to get 10% credit.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2011
10:34 am

“hypocrisy, its one of the Republican platforms”

Platforms? Hell, it’s their FOUNDATION

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

February 18th, 2011
10:39 am

LOL @ Doggone!!!!!

stands for decibels

February 18th, 2011
10:40 am

sure enough, on Jan. 24, the bill’s sponsor — a “Mr. Gingrey of Georgia” — cited the commerce clause as his authority.

In a civilized country, this bit of information would be considered the smoking gun, the thing that made the oppo party collectively own up to how they had no case against the constitutional legality of the ACA, and they’d slither off with their tails between their legs and try to focus on some other creative means by which they could rob from the poor and give to the rich.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
10:46 am

“They don’t have to follow the examples or values they preach about”

I’ll take the GOP, who actually preach values, over the Dems who preach no values at all. That’s why Dems get away with a lot more in the media and whatnot. I guess you can’t be a hypocrite if you don’t have any values/morals to begin with, huh?

Haywood Jablome

February 18th, 2011
10:46 am

“the very future of freedom and limited government depends on a restoration of American federalism and a real decentralization of government power.”

OK, who ordered this steaming pile of conservative hyperbole? If you can eat the whole thing, you get another one for free!!!

Don’t worry we get plenty of steaming fresh piles several times a day. Some people just can’t get enough.

You want some tea with that?

Granny Godzilla

February 18th, 2011
10:47 am

and I should be surprised?

ah nope.

at least they remembered to note the constitutional authority on this one…the house has missed a couple of those already this session.

josef nix

February 18th, 2011
10:48 am

“Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.”

(Matthew 23:14)

Didn’t say whether he was talking about Democrats or Republicans…hmmmm

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
10:49 am

No Peadawg — it’s not that Dems have no values, it’s that they don’t feel it is their place to impose their beliefs on others as is a favorite activity of the GOP.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
10:52 am

….or in other words Peadawg, the Democrats, unlike the GOP, actually espouse to keep government out of our personal lives…something, again, the hypocrites in the GOP like to preach about, but their actions prove otherwise.

Paulo977

February 18th, 2011
10:53 am

Dave R.

February 18th, 2011
10:54 am

“More importantly, where exactly in the Constitution does it say that Congress shall be empowered to dictate to state governments, state courts, state judges and state juries how they should handle state cases of alleged medical malpractice? What’s the source of that federal authority? I’ve looked in my handy pocket Constitution, and I can’t find such a provision anywhere. ”

No such language exists, Jay. Neither did any such language exist to allow for Social Security, Medicare, etc, etc, etc.

You LIBS opend up this Pandora’s box. You went and made health care a NATIONAL issue, and now you have to live with the consequences of that overreach by having the adults fix your mess. Plus, each individual state got involved with setting insurance winners and losers by restricting who can and cannot sell insurance in a given state, and have also contributed to the mess.

It’s now four states and counting as to those who now refuse to abide by Obamacare, and the DOJ is now asking the judge to clarify his decision in Florida as to the scope of his ruling, which will likely cause an injuction being placed ON THE WHOLE BILL.

You’ve got states making their own laws when the Feds won’t enforce their own, and you have governors telling the President to butt-out of state’s business.

The re-emergence of state supremacy over the Federal government has begun, and it can only lead to a better America for those who value freedom and liberty.

Keep up the good fight!

February 18th, 2011
10:54 am

So when do the Republican governors sue to stop this?

stands for decibels

February 18th, 2011
10:55 am

Haywood @ 10.46, your post reminded me of this oldie-but-goodie…

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
10:55 am

Bosch @ 10:49

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. :roll:

Dave R.

February 18th, 2011
10:55 am

“or in other words Peadawg, the Democrats, unlike the GOP, actually espouse to keep government out of our personal lives”

Just not our wallets . . .

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
10:56 am

Peadawg,

You’re welcome….somebody has to.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
10:57 am

Dave R.,

Again, it’s about personal responsibility…everybody gets sick, everybody should pay for it, not just those who have insurance.

Jimmy62

February 18th, 2011
10:58 am

The Dems have made health care a national thing controlled by Congress. In order to fix the problems the Dems created, the GOP has to resort to measures it would prefer not to use. But since the Dems made a mess at the Federal level, the only way to fix it is also at the Federal level, and tort reform, if done correctly, can help control rising health care costs brought on by various regulations, and the chaos the Dems have made of the entire sector.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 18th, 2011
10:58 am

as I said yesterday, the Constitution itself is one big “loophole”. plutocracy in action.

Keep up the good fight!

February 18th, 2011
10:59 am

You LIBS opend up this Pandora’s box. You went and made health care a NATIONAL issue, and now you have to live with the consequences of that overreach by having the adults fix your mess

So how exactly are the “adults” fixing this with this federal bill also citing the commerce clause…and do try to be precise without the rant.

larry

February 18th, 2011
11:00 am

Health care is a national issue , is it not? Don’t everyone use and consume health care ? That makes it part of interstate commerce. And makes it constitutional.

josef nix

February 18th, 2011
11:00 am

What was it Paracelsus said when informed that he had been excommunicated by the Pope
AND Luther, “The Pope and Luther discussing theology is like two wh*res discussing chastity.”
Welcome to a slow day here at Belle Watling’s…

Jimmy62

February 18th, 2011
11:01 am

Bosch: The Dems don’t want to impose their beliefs one others? What country have you been living in? Conservatives don’t believe in paying the way of failures, yet the Dems forced us to pay for the failures of GM, Chrysler, and millions of homeowners around the country.

And while I can’t say I disagree with certain other things the Dems have forced on everyone else, the list is a mile long.

Tommy Maddox

February 18th, 2011
11:02 am

Dr. Gingrey is probably already aware that the medical mal caps in Georgia were struck down by the State Supreme Court. This tort reform business propped up by the party of my choice does nothing but interfere with a jury’s right to decide [and a litigant's right to trial so as to obtain] an appropriate damage award.

Hy Dr. Gingrey – you cannot put a limiting price tag on the value someone’s sight, the ability to play ball with your sons, or the ability to walk your daughter down the aisle.

Dusty

February 18th, 2011
11:02 am

Well well, Bookman throws down the glove demanding a fight but the glove is worn thin. Muskets or rusty swords?

How many time can you call a Republican the ugliest name you know and expect it to sound fresh? Doesn’t work any more. Worn out! Tattered! Dirt stained and pitiful!

I’d rather play with Watson. But even he can’t make biscuits without a recipe I hold up my floured hands to prove it. So squeal away, my fine friends. We’ll get 500 echoes here all repeating the same thing and making Bookman happy..

A pox on hypocrisy, you ol repeaters. Go bite a biscuit. At least you’ll be nourished instead of smothered with repetitious insults…

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2011
11:03 am

“Just not our wallets . . .”

Republicans start two wars, keep the cost off the books, “pay for it” with a tax cut and then institute our largest ever “borrow and spend” programs…but it’s DEMS who are “in” your wallet? Guess again.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:04 am

Larry,

What would stop the gov’t from mandating we all buy a car from GM to help them recover??? What’s to stop the gov’t from mandating we all get a loan from, say Wells Fargo, if they’re in trouble? Mandating health care is opening pandora’s box that doesn’t need to be opened.

larry

February 18th, 2011
11:04 am

Tommy Maddox

February 18th, 2011
11:02 am

Agree………agree……………agree

Jerry Grillo

February 18th, 2011
11:06 am

Ah yes, Gingrey and Price, two “doctors” who took the hypocritical oath.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:07 am

Jimmy,

Those “beliefs” have been paid back. Your point?

larry

February 18th, 2011
11:07 am

Do people die if they dont buy a car from GM or get a loan from Wells Fargo ? No they dont. Do they die if they do not use and consume health care? yes they do.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:09 am

Peadawg,

Stay away from the slippery slope — not everybody has to have a car, everybody does get sick — you’re comparing apples to oranges — one of your strong suits.

Joe

February 18th, 2011
11:09 am

Jay nailed it.

And it’s exactly the same with the Republican’s only other health care “solution”—allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines. That proposal would essentially be the federal government telling elected officials at the state level that they can’t regulate health insurance companies that are selling coverage in their respective states.

Whether you agree with these proposals or not, the states’ rights crowd is for states’ rights—except when they’re not.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:10 am

larry, lol your argument doesn’t make any sense. My point was what is stopping the gov’t from mandating us to buy ANY private product if they can just sight the commerce clause and vuala! you have to have to buy so-and-so product or pay a fine?

Some People are stupid

February 18th, 2011
11:12 am

Jimmy62-
Conservatives don’t believe in paying the way of failures, yet the Dems forced us to pay for the failures of GM, Chrysler, and millions of homeowners around the country

So I guess you are conveniently forgetting about the Bank Bailout pushed by Bush…

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:13 am

“My point was what is stopping the gov’t from mandating us to buy ANY private product if they can just sight the commerce clause and vuala! you have to have to buy so-and-so product or pay a fine?”

Your point might be valid if at anytime in the history of this country, the government has forced people to buy a product from a particular company, which, to my knowledge has never happened.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

February 18th, 2011
11:13 am

Peadawg

So, I can count you as one of those who enjoys getting smoke blown up the anal orifice…

joe

February 18th, 2011
11:15 am

Unions are just like herpes…don’t want them, but if you live a lifestyle where you happen to be inflicted, they are impossible to get rid of.

Dusty

February 18th, 2011
11:16 am

There they go…”Republicans start two wars”……….Oh yeah, …skip over Congress led by Democrats who approved those “two wars” and blame it on …..THE REPUBLCIANS!!!! Hot dog Go for it with mustard, onions, chili and the whole works.!

Oh lal lalalala na nana na na Dems were made in heaven. Republicans were sent from ……U know where!!!! Repetition, thy name is LIBBY DEM!

larry

February 18th, 2011
11:17 am

My argument makes plenty of sense………….. everyone in this country is a user of the health care system in this country, one way or the other everyone pays for the use of the health care in this country.

Whether they go to the dr.’s office or the emergency room, everyone pays, including me and you.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:18 am

Bosch, see my 11:10.

“you’re comparing apples to oranges — one of your strong suits.” – LOL nope. I’m not one of the ones that brings up car insurance when talking about hc mandate.

Jimmy62

February 18th, 2011
11:18 am

Some people: Not at all. I was very against that, as were a lot of conservatives. You might have noticed a little thing called the Tea Party, launched as a reaction against all the bailouts?

My point is that it’s completely inane for someone like Bosch to say that the Democrats don’t try to force their beliefs on others. I agree with the results, but what was the civil rights movement, other than trying to force their beliefs on others? The gay rights/marriage movement? Pro-choice movement?

Never once did I say conservatives don’t do that, too. My point was simply that Bosch’s statement showed a lot of ignorance, and that Democrats over and over and over again try to force their beliefs on the rest of us.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:19 am

No, Peadawg but you bring up red herrings that make no sense when talking about the health care mandate.

Do you have health insurance now? If so, why do you like paying for others health care costs? If not, then you are free loading off mine — so, stop it.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2011
11:20 am

“skip over Congress led by Democrats who approved those “two wars”

History isn’t your strong suit, is it? Congress was not “led” by the Dems in 2001. Yes, some of them voted approval for the “Use of Force Authorization” and I have spit on them here repeatedly for doing so.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:20 am

“Your point might be valid if at anytime in the history of this country, the government has forced people to buy a product from a particular company, which, to my knowledge has never happened.” – You’re correct. This hasn’t happened in history…..until now. So again, what’s to stop Obama from doing this again for something else? Like I said… Pandora’s box shouldn’t be opened.

Left wing management

February 18th, 2011
11:21 am

Tom Price?

Phil Gingrey?

Are you friggin kidding me?

Say, it possible to be white-skinned and get elected to office in this state without being a neo-cracker who’d be a great extra on the set of Matlock?

Whatever comes out of these neo-crackers’ mouths when they open them don’t mean diddly, to quote one of those other candidates for national office who sounds like a character on The Andy Griffith Show.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:21 am

Obama’s the one on the slippery slope here, Boschy. Not I.

Jimmy62

February 18th, 2011
11:22 am

Joe : No one said states can’t regulate insurance within their own state. Merely that people should have the right to buy their insurance in a different state if they don’t like the restrictions or requirements their own state has put on insurance.

But hey, thanks for going out of your way to really understand what you are attempting to criticize.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2011
11:23 am

“hasn’t happened in history…..until now.”

Except that even “now” no one is being forced to buy from a PARTICULAR COMPANY.

And, personally, I was against that also. I thought, and still think, they should have passed it as a tax for Single Payer healthcare.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:23 am

“You’re correct. This hasn’t happened in history…..until now.”

When has it happened? When were you forced to buy a product from a one particular customer?

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:24 am

“Except that even “now” no one is being forced to buy from a PARTICULAR COMPANY.” – LOL, no but a particular product….same difference We can go back and forth all day correcting each other like this but y’all get my point.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:25 am

“and still think, they should have passed it as a tax for Single Payer healthcare.”

Yeap, me too.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:25 am

Again, Bosch…see my 11:24. Particular product, particular company, same thing smartass.

Left wing management

February 18th, 2011
11:25 am

Whatever comes out of the mouths of neo-crackers like Price and Ginrgrey don’t mean diddly, to quote the honourable Mistah Bahbaaah.

And it don’t mean diddly cause to know what does mean diddly we gotsta follow the moolah. Say it, Lil’ Barry: moooooo -lah. You gotsta follow the mooolah that’s being funneled from the pillagers of our public good to the back pockets of the neo-crackers in the South and their fellow travelers in neo-Confederate sites like New Jersey and now Wisconsin.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:26 am

“no but a particular product….same difference”

No, Peadawg, it’s not. No one if FORCING you to buy insurance from one particular company — like your “forcing a loan from Wells Fargo” example a bit ago.

Back peddling is NOT your strong suit. Just admit you were wrong and move along.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:27 am

“Again, Bosch…see my 11:24. Particular product, particular company, same thing smartass.”

Again, dumbass, no it’s not. No one is forcing you to buy insurance from a particular company.

jt

February 18th, 2011
11:28 am

“More importantly, where exactly in the Constitution does it say that Congress shall be empowered to dictate to state governments, state courts, state judges and state juries how they should handle state cases of alleged medical malpractice?”

It doesn’t.
That doesn’t stop the moochers and political leaches that started Medicaide.\

Lay down with dogs, you’ll get fleas.

Mr. Gingrey will soon get a clue. …..nullification.
100 million+ other Americans already have. Tell the federalies what to do.

So be it.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:29 am

” No one is forcing you to buy insurance from a particular company.” – Nope but they’re forcing us to buy a private product, PERIOD. Good grief man you make my fcking head hurt. You can argue with a brick wall…..

Tommy Maddox

February 18th, 2011
11:29 am

LWM – who are you referring to as crackers?

Normal

February 18th, 2011
11:29 am

Paulo…Interesting article indeed, and on President Obama’s watch too
;)
————————-

Josef,
history question from downstairs…the only thing I could come up with was the publishing of “Huckleberry Finn” and we know where that leads…oy.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:30 am

“Nope but they’re forcing us to buy a private product”

But that’s not what you said earlier — so, in other words, I’m right.

Normal

February 18th, 2011
11:32 am

Remember folks…Stressed spelled backwards is dessert. There! Tranquility in tortes…

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:33 am

“But that’s not what you said earlier” – Alright and I apologize for not spelling it out for you, punkin. I’ll know next time that you can’t interpret something and must argue over the wording of a comment instead of getting overall point.

Dusty

February 18th, 2011
11:33 am

So, Doggone (11:20) “spits on Democrats” who voted for the conflicts that followed 9/11. They were patriots who did what they found to be the correct move, just a the president did.

Ah, what outreach and compatibiity we find here. Keep spitting , Doggone, ’cause there are going to be a lot of things you don’t like coming up. That’s your way to help things along in this country. Just spit on those you disagree with. Mighty fine! Even Bookman had not thought of that one.

catlady

February 18th, 2011
11:33 am

How many times have our two legislators been sued for malpractice? And how much awarded?

Normal

February 18th, 2011
11:34 am

I heard that the Democrats left Wisconsin to avoid the vote on the union busting law…Good-O! But didn’t the Democrats try that in Texas back when G. W. Bush was Govenor?

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:35 am

Peadawg,

What you wrote was that the government was going to force you to buy a particular product from a particular company — I’m sorry that your too embarrassed to admit your stupid.

George Watson

February 18th, 2011
11:36 am

From the mind of one more capable – it all starts with the individual:
Every individual needs revolution, inner division, overthrow of the existing order, and renewal, but not by forcing them upon his neighbors under the hypocritical cloak of Christian love or the sense of social responsibility or any of the other beautiful euphemisms for unconscious urges to personal power (Jung, 1966:5).

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:37 am

And Peadawg, you never answered my question:

Do you have health insurance? If so, why do you like paying for the health care of others that don’t? I certainly do not.

Tommy Maddox

February 18th, 2011
11:37 am

Now I am confused.

catlady

February 18th, 2011
11:38 am

Enter your comments here

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

February 18th, 2011
11:38 am

“They were patriots who did what they found thought to be the correct move, just a the president did.”

Left wing management

February 18th, 2011
11:38 am

Tommy Maddox: “LWM – who are you referring to as crackers?”

This morning I heard the honorable Tom Price of Georgia on NPR and it struck me: how cracker-like this conservative mentality that’s got hold of folks down here.

I don’t go for it.

jm

February 18th, 2011
11:38 am

Glad you called them to the mat Jay. They deserve it. Hypocrisy is a common affliction among politicians.

thomas

February 18th, 2011
11:38 am

Enter your comments here

Normal

February 18th, 2011
11:39 am

Dusty,
how many times must you be told that they were voting on lies. If they had had the whole truth, not a Democrat would have voted for the war and four thousand, five hundred plus Children of America would still be alive and over twenty thousand would still have their arms and legs.
Bush lied and our kids died…period.

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:39 am

No thomas, I am entering my comments in the box.

George W

February 18th, 2011
11:39 am

Jay….not very interesting topics today sir.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:40 am

Alright Boschy, remove the words “GM” and “Wells Fargo”.

What would stop the gov’t from mandating we all buy a car??? What’s to stop the gov’t from mandating we all get a loan? Mandating health care is opening pandora’s box that doesn’t need to be opened.

God this is sad that I actually had to spell it out for you…..

Left wing management

February 18th, 2011
11:40 am

jt 11:28: “That doesn’t stop the moochers and political leaches that started Medicaide.”

Moochers. Political leachers of the world. Unite.

Just try putting your foot on that third rail, traveler. You won’t move from the spot. :)

Tommy Maddox

February 18th, 2011
11:41 am

I remember when the Crackers used to play across the street from Sears.

jm

February 18th, 2011
11:41 am

josef nix

February 18th, 2011
11:41 am

left wing

@ 11:21

You’ve got some serious bigotries and prejudices and the expression in such terms as these make it difficult to take what else you might have to say seriously…you might want to curb your enthusiasm! :-)

Normal…

Jefferson Davis took the oat of office of Presidency of the Confederate States of America…APS gave me the day off! Gotta work Monday though. Fifth columnist secessionists, they are!

moonbat betty

February 18th, 2011
11:41 am

We have to pay for health insurance and pension and we’re mad as hell!

thomas

February 18th, 2011
11:41 am

Everyone may get sick….

But everyone does not go to the doctor….. Not just because of religous beliefs, some just choose not to go. And choose to spend their money in another area of their life.

Why should they not be allowed to choose?

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:42 am

Again, Peadawg, you are bringing in red herrings. God, I’m so sad that you don’t know what that is.

“What would stop the gov’t from mandating we all buy a car??? What’s to stop the gov’t from mandating we all get a loan?”

Because we are not biologically conditioned to need cars or loans, but we are all biologically conditioned to get sick — and personally, I’m tired of paying for those who free load off my insurance.

thomas

February 18th, 2011
11:42 am

I honestly have no idea how that happened!

I just checked in on the new topic for 1st time, hit refresh and bam there i was demanding comments!

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:43 am

“Why should they not be allowed to choose?”

Because they choose to live in this country.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:44 am

“Do you have health insurance? If so, why do you like paying for the health care of others that don’t?”

Yes. I don’t. See, the hc mandate sounds all nice in theory, but when you start saying that the people of this great country HAVE to buy insurance or pay fine…you getting too close to communism. I know some GOPers like to throw that word around a lot(and y’all on here know me and know that I’m not one of those) and most of the time it’s unjustified but when it comes to this hc mandate, it’s justified.

josef nix

February 18th, 2011
11:44 am

Tommy

A friend of mine from North Florida says she’s a Matzoh, a Jewish Cracker! :-)

thomas

February 18th, 2011
11:45 am

Does anyone Know what a “Cracker-like” mentality is?

ANYONE?

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:45 am

thomas,

“there i was demanding comments”

:lol:

Left wing management

February 18th, 2011
11:45 am

josef nix: “You’ve got some serious bigotries and prejudices and the expression in such terms as these make it difficult to take what else you might have to say seriously…”

Nope. Ain’t bigotry when it’s aimed at neo-crackers and cracker apologists (like jt). It’s good sense!

Bosch

February 18th, 2011
11:45 am

“Does anyone Know what a “Cracker-like” mentality is?”

Not sure, but I’m sure salt is involved somehow.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2011
11:45 am

“Because we are not biologically conditioned to need cars or loans”

Woosh. That’s the sound of the point STILL going right over your head.

Tommy Maddox

February 18th, 2011
11:46 am

Oh now that makes perfect sense.