On tonight’s Travelin’ Music, Justin Bieber … NOT!
When I heard that some unknown jazz newcomer had beaten out the hyperpopular Justin Bieber as Best New Artist at the Grammys last weekend, I was intrigued.
When I learned that the artist in question, Esperanza Spalding, played a stand-up bass — my favorite jazz instrument — and also sang — I love female vocalists — well, it wasn’t hard to pick this week’s kickoff tune for Travelin’ Music.
Here is Miss Spalding performing in a recent tribute to Stevie Wonder at the White House. (I don’t believe I’ve ever featured Stevie, which is a terrible injustice to the man that I’ll have to correct soon.)
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Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
4:55 pm
Maybe you could have a bake sale! No, wait! Maybe you kids can put on a show in the local barn like Andy Hardy!
That’s just soooooo wrong!!
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
4:56 pm
“If it were not for the fact that they would wreck the country and cause our demise, I’d say let the conservatives have their way for 4 years.”
Yeah, ’cause we’ve all seen what 60 years of liberal policies have gotten us, haven’t we?
Kamchak
February 19th, 2011
4:58 pm
How long does it take before the squirrels get tired of flipping?
Usually a few weeks, but every year there are young ones that need to learn the lesson, so the fun is endless. However, the feeder is not bear proof as my folks found out about their first one.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:01 pm
“What you may see as hyperbole is another man’s opinion. Keep that in mind as you want people to respect yours.”
What you see as opinion, I see as a blatant attempt to compare apples to oranges. I have zero respect for those who don’t even try to tell the truth, SoCo.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
5:03 pm
Yeah, ’cause we’ve all seen what 60 years of liberal policies have gotten us, haven’t we?
Sure. All that liberal policy did was expand our economy out of WWII to heights that no other country has been able to duplicate.
In all seriousness, what you consider liberal policy has been more of a combination of both. You could probably get credit for 30 years, but the last 30 has been a mix of liberal-conservative policy.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
“How long does it take before the squirrels get tired of flipping?”
Shows even squirrels can learn. Now if only. . . – nah, too easy.
Pogo
February 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
Does it not bother anyone that a sitting president of the US would help foment political disruption in one of the State’s (Wisconsin) of the American Union by supplying operatives out of the Whitehouse and the DNC to further his unionists/socialist beliefs? And he only does this because the unions have given him 10’s of millions of their members hard-earned dollars for his campaigns. I am now convinced that Obama is a hard-core socialist and proto-communist with fascist leanings. He certainly is willing to enact fascists tactics to further his cause.
The thing that bothers me most is, for the life of me I can not understand the blindness that seems to be indemnic of the Obama zombies. He displays every quality of fascist/progressive dictator but yet his liberal followers choose to ignore this and continue to march on towards the inevetible and perhaps pre-ordained end of this counry. It is little wonder that Hitler and so many other ruthless dictators were so successful. It seems that an ever increasing number of members of the “public” worldwide want to be led around by a ring in their nose and that ring is made up of promises that their governments will take care of them no matter the cost to their own freedoms. What a bunch of idiots. The time of reckoning is about be upon us and I don’t say that with any religious inference. And oh will there be squealing when the people suddenly realize that their progressive government “saviours” have lied and things are not going to be OK. Just keep an eye on world food and energy prices in the next 10-12 months and you will see where we are about to be; hungry and scared with no saviour but the increased servitude to China through more and more borrowing to cover the interest on our debt. And Obama and crew are all about that.
Dusty
February 19th, 2011
5:05 pm
Woo Kamchak…..BEARS??
I’ve had a wild turkey, a coyote, a deer, a Jehovah Witness come by but NO bears. Maybe squirrels aren’t so bad after all. If any bears are driving along I285 they might jump over the fence and head my way. Next we order a BEAR-FLIPPER!! (Do they have those in north Georgia, HillBilly? Flippers, that is.)
@@
February 19th, 2011
5:07 pm
U.S. drops criminal probe of former Countrywide chief Angelo Mozilo
Mozilo’s actions in the mortgage meltdown — which led to $67.5-million settlement against him — did not amount to criminal wrongdoing, federal prosecutors have determined.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mozilo-20110219,0,3665171.story?page=1
Went for the low-hangin’ fruit, eh? Mozilo remains out of reach…all plump and juicy.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:10 pm
“All that liberal policy did was expand our economy out of WWII to heights that no other country has been able to duplicate.”
As if governmental policy could do anything about that.
I’ll agree that the past 30 years has been a mix of both, as you cannot keep cutting taxes and hope to continue high-end, antiquated, oversold liberal entitlement programs.
But when both sides rejoice in claiming they didn’t raise taxes, or that our tax burden is the lowest in, yada, yada, yada, while in cowardice they refuse to tackle the spending, you get an unsustainable budget policy that will destroy this country in less than 50 years from now.
Dusty
February 19th, 2011
5:14 pm
Dave R @ 5:04 Errr… that was …flippant!! (she said as she smiled)
Now I am off to bake biscuits. That’s so the family won’t notice that I am feeding them formerly frozen TV dinners. I win points every time with biscuits.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
5:15 pm
What you see as opinion, I see as a blatant attempt to compare apples to oranges. I have zero respect for those who don’t even try to tell the truth
And that is your opinion as you see it. However, how do you know that’s exactly what he means?
From your statement you just said, I could infer that you have zero respect for Gov. Walker. I know you like and appreciate what he’s doing, and you have no problem with it. However, I think he’s being less than truthful trying to use the budget deficit excuse to try to decimate public unions in WI. When he says that the bill needs to pass to ensure a balanced budget, is it not possible to balance a budget without wiping the unions off the face of the planet? Did those unions not exist when the state previously had balanced budgets?
I personally agree with your statement about no respect for people who don’t try to tell the truth. That’s why I don’t respect Walker. If he had came out and said, “I will bust up the unions so no future governor has to debate contracts with them in the future. After that, I will balance our budget for this coming cycle”, I’d have nothing but respect for him for being honest about his intentions. However, to just say the bill needs to pass, without revealing his true intentions, he’s lower than a rattlesnake’s belly to me.
I know you’re not going to agree with what I’m saying, so you don’t even have to respond. I’m probably comparing apples to oranges too.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:17 pm
Back to the Jehovah’s Witnesses string from earlier, when they come to my house and start their pitch, I stop them suddenly and ask, “Oh, do YOU worship Satan, TOO?”
Some are shocked, some laugh, but all are ushered along on their merry way, with nary a need to use teacup poodles.
getalife
February 19th, 2011
5:20 pm
The gop want to shut down government in a time of war. Over reaching.
The gop are attacking and losing American jobs. Over reaching.
This has energized the younger generation to protest in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and headed to Minnesota.
And they will vote for Obama to win like the last time.
@@
February 19th, 2011
5:22 pm
Does this comment strike anyone else as racist?
‘Black Thanksgiving’ commences in L.A. this weekend
But they come out of the woodwork this time of year, because NBA players are royalty in Black America, and everyone wants to be near them. The old saying is that ballers want to be rappers, and rappers want to be ballers. That’s really, really true.
[snip]
Warts and all, it celebrates the extended community –the incredible athletic…
Warts and all?
Out of the woodwork?
Ballers and rappers are royalty in the black community?
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:23 pm
SoCo, he’s simply doing both at the same time, but the PRIMARY goal is to balance his budget. So what if he doesn’t want to admit the other. It’s not exactly a secret, is it?
As to the Dud-man, comparing support for demonstrators in Egypt whose “organization” is probably just a desire to be free, to an organized mob of people whose standard of living is probably 20 times that of the Egyptians, all the while claiming that Walker is trying to “bust them”, is disingenuous at best, and lying through his teeth at worst. Especially since violence is NOT being used in Wisconsin, nor will it ever be.
getalife
February 19th, 2011
5:25 pm
Dave R.
I had some Mormons visit.
We talked about romney and beck.
They said those two are not real mormons.
I asked them how many wives they had.
They ran away.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:28 pm
getalife:
RW-(the original)
February 19th, 2011
5:36 pm
SoCo,
You might want to go look at the makeup of Georgia’s government during that 1999-2003 timeframe.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
5:40 pm
he’s simply doing both at the same time, but the PRIMARY goal is to balance his budget. So what if he doesn’t want to admit the other. It’s not exactly a secret, is it?
Now that it’s gotten blown out for all to see, no, it’s not a secret. However, the governor of Alabama did the same thing right after the elections, and there was not a peep from either side. If his PRIMARY goal is to balance the budget, why is he adamant about not meeting with union reps? What if the unions caved to every fiscal demand he asked for to balance the budget? Would that not meet his primary goal without destroying the organizations that he and others despise so much? Or is it that we’re so polarized that politics is all out war now and the only way to win is to wipe the opposition off the face of the earth?
Dudley’s comment was over the top based on your perceptions. Have you stopped to think that you’re judging him based on your perceptions and not his? When you make an opinioned statement, it’s based on your perceptions and not mine, so why would I judge your statement based on my perceptions?
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
5:42 pm
RW
I know GA was (D) top to bottom. Many other states were like that and have switched too, including my beloved Alabama. My statement earlier on policy was based on my perception of the national level. I should have specified as much.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
5:46 pm
Dave R
Your entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is. The teachers capitulated on the retirement and insurance contributions and the governor turned them down. If it was a budgetary problem he would have accepted it. He didn’t because it is a union busting thing not a budget thing. Besides a lot of the budget shortfall is a result of the governors tax breaks to special interests groups.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:49 pm
SoCo, Walker knows, like many of us did and many more are now realizing, that government unions (well, unions in general but that’s all he can do anything about) are a prescription for long-term fiscal disaster.
Ask yourself this: Why are so many states in a budget crisis right now? Unfunded benefits load. Why? Because Democrat-controlled governors gave away the long-term unsustainable store for short term election gains. It is a model that cannot succeed! You can’t see state after state going through this problem and NOT see the mistakes caving into unreasonable unions demands has gotten us into.
As to the Dud-man’s comments, they were over the top because they were false, not based on any perceptions.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
5:51 pm
“The teachers capitulated on the retirement and insurance contributions and the governor turned them down.”
Cite, please!
“Besides a lot of the budget shortfall is a result of the governors tax breaks to special interests groups.”
Debunked days ago, Dudley. No one enacted $3.4 billion in tax breaks in Wisconsin. Stay current, will ‘ya?
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
5:52 pm
Dave R
Show where any thing I said was false
@@
February 19th, 2011
5:52 pm
I know it’s wrong, but I hope they do….hack it up.
“Anonymous” Issues Ultimatum To “Graceless Sociopaths” at Westboro Baptist Church
The Anonymous hackers continued with a warning: “Cease and desist your protest campaign in the year 2011, return to your homes in Kansas, & close your public websites.” The group states that “the damage incurred will be irreversible, and neither your institution nor your congregation will ever be able to fully recover.”
Westboro can’t say they weren’t warned.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
5:57 pm
Dave
I can point to the article I linked to earlier about the unemployment funding issue and can say Repubican tax-cutting pols have caused crisises too. I would love for you to show proof that states in fiscal trouble is due to “Unfunded benefits load” and not some other issues. As you ask others for citations, I’ll be waiting on that one.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:00 pm
And why isn’t walker asking for the same concessions from police and firefighters? O that’s right, they supported his run for governor.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:05 pm
“Show where any thing I said was false”
You said “It just totally amazes me that the republicans support the organization of protests overseas, but try to bust the same type of organizations here in the US. ”
Really? People wishing for freedom in protesting a military dictatorship on their own volition and getting our support is somehow related to teachers living a lifestyle that maybe 5% of those protesters live? The Egyptian government bringing in troops to control the crowds is the same as allowing the Wisconsin demonstrators to demonstrate?
Not even close, Dud-man.
Pogo
February 19th, 2011
6:07 pm
While everyone today wants to glorify unionization in the “Norma Ray” fashion, the truth is that the union leadership are greedy self-centered people who want to make money off of their members to live a lifestyle that the members themselves will never, ever see. Unions are just as much a business as Exxon or Apple Computers or any other large business. They have their executives and these people want to live large. If Obama is so serious about unions, why doesn’t he insist that Apple computers and GE turbine and electrical components be manufactured by union labor in the US instead of in Indonesia or China or wherever they are built? He just had Jobs and Immelt again for a fancy dinner in the Whitehouse, why didn’t he tell them this? Do you think that you will ever see any of Obama’s favorite corporate partners such as GE and Apple ever be able to put the stamp “Made in the USA” on their products? Obama doesn’t believe in unions, he only believes in their memberships money and votes to further his political goals because he knows that he can take them for the suckers they are.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:08 pm
As I said earlier you are entitled to you opinion, no matter how wrong it is. I see people fighting for their rights, I said nothing about standard of living.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:08 pm
“I would love for you to show proof that states in fiscal trouble is due to “Unfunded benefits load” and not some other issues.”
SoCo, this one is too easy. It even has pictures and an interactive map so that some of the information-challenged out there can understand it.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/20/states-debt-pensions-interactive-map.html
@@
February 19th, 2011
6:09 pm
I wonder how many people are receiving disability benefits due to CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome)? My personal take? If it’s not Lupus, it’s always been in their head.
The apparent promise of cognitive behavior therapy and “graded exercise therapy” offers considerable hope to patients combating the complex condition characterized by profound tiredness, impaired concentration, diminished memory, sleep difficulties and muscle and joint pain, the study authors said.
The findings also support the somewhat controversial notion that incremental adjustments in physical behavior and/or mental attitude can ultimately have a positive impact on the disorder, the authors said.
I’m a big advocate for behavior modification.
Hope I didn’t offend any bloggers.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:15 pm
@@
I agree. A positive attitude goes a long way towards being healthy.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:15 pm
“I see people fighting for their rights . . .”
And what “rights” are those, Dudley? The right to bankrupt the state in which they live? The right to maintain a benefits plan that 95% of private sector workers do not have? The right to force taxes to be increased and watch the people who pay them migrate to other tax-friendly states, thereby causing even MORE revenue issues?
When are you ever going to realize that a “right” is something that you can do on your own without the help or participation of others?
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:16 pm
@@.
What’s your take on carpel tunnel syndrome
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:16 pm
Maybe if Wisconsin hadnt passed these cheesy tax cuts , the budget wouldnt be at impass.
All it is , is pure union busting.
http://blogs.forbes.com/leesheppard/2011/02/15/wisconsins-cheesy-tax-cuts/
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
6:17 pm
If Obama is so serious about unions, why doesn’t he insist that Apple computers and GE turbine and electrical components be manufactured by union labor in the US instead of in Indonesia or China or wherever they are built?
Obama could insist until his hair falls out and his skin whitens like Michael Jackson. It is up to businesses to decide if/when they will build anything here in the US. Judging by the anti-union sentiment that abounds nowadays, there’s only about 8%-10% of the workforce left to get rid of before we start seeing jobs come back.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:18 pm
Dave
You don’t get it, will never get it so I am not wasting my time talking in circles. Let’s just agree to disagree.
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:19 pm
Dave R: “The teachers capitulated on the retirement and insurance contributions and the governor turned them down.”
Cite, please!
It was on CNN, but I can’t seem to find an equivalent internet link. For the record, it was unions that said they would agree to the pension and retirement terms as laid forth in the bill if the part that prohibits the right to organize in the future was taken out. The governor flat out said no to that.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:20 pm
“Maybe if Wisconsin hadnt passed these cheesy tax cuts , the budget wouldnt be at impass. ”
Yeah, giving away a couple of hundred million, in a state with a $3.4 billion debt, is surely the reason for that budget problem.
Got math, larry? How many times does a lie have to be repeated with you before it becomes fact? Once?
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:20 pm
Dave R: And what “rights” are those, Dudley?
The right to freedom of assembly, Dave. I know you don’t think it’s the same thing, but you’re wrong so I don’t care what you think about that aspect of it. The fact is, that is what the fight is about for the protesters. It isn’t about MONEY, it’s about the right to assemble.
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:21 pm
And as a spouse of a public employee, and i also have other family members who work in public service, public employees’ benefits are not what the media have them to be.
My spouse hasnt had a raise in five years, her health insurance has changed and gone up.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:22 pm
“It was on CNN”
Ahhh, that bastion of balanced reporting. Good to know.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
6:22 pm
Dave
All your map shows is that some states have more unfunded pension issues than others. Your statement was: “Why are so many states in a budget crisis right now? Unfunded benefits load. Why? Because Democrat-controlled governors gave away the long-term unsustainable store for short term election gains.” Your map does not prove your statement.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
6:24 pm
oops… Your statement was: “Why are so many states in a budget crisis right now? Unfunded benefits load. Why? Because Democrat-controlled governors gave away the long-term unsustainable store for short term election gains.” Your map does not prove your statement.
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:24 pm
Got math? Dave? The budget impass is over 137 millon dollars which were given to businesses. If Walker doesnt pass that tax cut , then there is no concessions and no bill introduced at the last minute.
This is union busting , pure and simple.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:25 pm
How does a union having to rectify every year help a budget?
How does stopping payroll deductions help a budget?
RW-(the original)
February 19th, 2011
6:25 pm
Compared to Sammy Sosa, Michael Jackson was a piker in the turning white contest
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:26 pm
And they are fixing to try that in Ohio, and the general assembly there is fixing to go through the same thing.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:26 pm
Oops, recertify.
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:26 pm
“It was on CNN”
Ahhh, that bastion of balanced reporting. Good to know.
Seriously? You’re not one of those guys that believes only Fox News tells the truth are you?
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:28 pm
People are getting tired of the Republicans war on the middle class, they are also suffering buyers remorse by putting the repubs in charge of the house , where they havent introduced one jobs bill.
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:30 pm
Rep. Boehner said ” Read My Lips” . I guess he doesnt have a good grasp on history does he? The last guy who said that, got voted out of office.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:30 pm
“The right to freedom of assembly, Dave. I know you don’t think it’s the same thing, but you’re wrong so I don’t care what you think about that aspect of it. The fact is, that is what the fight is about for the protesters. It isn’t about MONEY, it’s about the right to assemble.”
Leg-humper, we’ve been through this ad-nauseum. There NEVER was a right to assemble as regards a union. NEVER. There weren’t even unions back in 1787! You can call it that over and over and over, but there isn’t a Founding Father, nor most of the all-but extremely liberal Constitutional scholars out there who would support your argument.
The right to assemble is the right to meet in more than a group of one, Adam. It was placed in the Constitution so that the government would not interfere in a group or groups wanting to get together in opposition to a government policy.There is NO other right to assemble.
And NO ONE is denying ANYONE the right to assemble in ANY Constitutional sense in Wisconsin, Adam.
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:31 pm
larry: I know I’m waiting for him to say someone did a “heckuvajob” next.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:31 pm
Approximately 20 hours till the daytona 500
Yipeeeeeeeeeeee
Kamchak
February 19th, 2011
6:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE
At least it’s not Justin Bieber.
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:31 pm
Dave R: And NO ONE is denying ANYONE the right to assemble in ANY Constitutional sense in Wisconsin, Adam.
YOU
ARE
WRONG
End of discussion.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:32 pm
“Your map does not prove your statement.”
Oooooooookay . . . if you say so. The facts show otherwise.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:33 pm
Jimme Johnson will win his record breaking 6th championship in a row
josef nix
February 19th, 2011
6:34 pm
Bottom line on Wisconsin, both sides may have a point, but they’re using the school kids as a pawn and neither side really gives a sh*t about them and their education, so to h3ll with the lot as far as I’m concerned. Like I said in the beginning of this discussion/argument/polemic, I don’t expect to have any friends on either “side” to this…
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:34 pm
Oops. Jimmie
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:37 pm
Josef
Don’t know about friends but I respect the opinions of most people in here, as long as they are thought out and not just a regurgitation of rush, beck, orielly etc.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:37 pm
“YOU
ARE
WRONG
End of discussion.”
Really? Show me the Feds stepping in because the right to assembly has been violated. Show me a local, state, circuit or Supreme Court being engaged in stopping this governor from doing what he is doing?
Saying someone is wrong, without facts to back it up, is emotion speaking, not reason. I have reason and FACTS on my side.
What have YOU got, leg-humper?
@@
February 19th, 2011
6:37 pm
Carpal tunnel? Another one that’s suspect in my opinion.
Supposedly the numbness occurs during sleep. So how does that impact your ability to work…unless, of course, you’re sleeping on the job.
Lifting physically challenged kids wreaks havoc on my back and forearms. Solution? Work the abs to strengthen the back. Forearm extensor and flexor exercises. Problems solved.
Funded Retirement
February 19th, 2011
6:38 pm
I draw a pension. I get it because it was part of my contract with my former employer.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
6:39 pm
Damn RW!!!!!!!! You didn’t have to go all Sosa on me.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:39 pm
We all just need to partake of the herb, watch comedy central, eat m&ms, and giggle till our sides hurt.
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:40 pm
Freedom of assembly and freedom of association may be used to distinguish between the freedom to assemble in public places and the freedom of joining an association. Freedom of assembly is often used in the context of the right to protest, while freedom of association is used in the context of labor rights and the right to collective bargaining, for example by joining a trade union. Freedom of assembly, as guaranteed in the Canadian Constitution and the Constitution of the United States, is interpreted to mean both the freedom to assemble and the freedom to join an association.
That is from our constitution, so what the Wisconsin Governor , along with all these other Repub governors are wanting to do , is unconstitutional. End of story.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:41 pm
“Seriously? You’re not one of those guys that believes only Fox News tells the truth are you?”
And leg-humper, I watch FOX, CNN and MSNBC for my television news input, and take ALL with a grain of salt. I also read a lot. You should try it sometime by starting with the collective works called “The Federalist Papers”. It provides insight as to the “whys” behind the “whats” that are in the Constitution. It’s a big book, and doesn’t have pictures, but you should try it anyway.
josef nix
February 19th, 2011
6:41 pm
Dudley
Now, now, I didn’t say you didn’t!
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:41 pm
The Feds have no reason to step in while a bill is being negotiated, much like how no one fought the health care bill on constitutional grounds in court until it was law (because you can’t).
OH! What did I just do? I gave you FACTS!
Saying someone is wrong, without facts to back it up, is emotion speaking, not reason.
I would say I’m surprised that you make this particular attack, considering you have done the exact same thing quite often. No facts, just calling me wrong and yourself right on many occasions. Sure, SOMETIMES you give data, and claim that these facts apply to your conclusion. But you’re usually wrong about that too, and I usually point it out and you just call me wrong. So yeah, good argument there.
You’re still wrong, and I “hashed out” all the facts and reasoning for you already as to why. You just refuse to believe it because you are a CON, and as a good CON you will never admit to anything.
larry
February 19th, 2011
6:42 pm
Good night!!
Power to the People Wisconsin!!
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
6:42 pm
@@
Exactly. I’ve had 7 knee surgeries, 2 torn rotator cuffs, and a bad back and I still skateboard on a regular basis, as well as a job in industrial construction, so I can’t see hands hurting as very debilitating.
josef nix
February 19th, 2011
6:43 pm
DAVE
YOU would recommend “The Federalist Papers!”
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:43 pm
larry: The real facts as you have laid them out have already been given to Dave. He simply refuses to budge from his position because of BELIEF, not FACTS, as he tries to claim. He’s just not listening.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
6:44 pm
if you say so. The facts show otherwise.
Nothing on that map shows Democratic governors being the problems of the pension liabilities. I understand you look at the world thru red-tinted glasses, so continue to live in your world.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/20/states-debt-pensions-interactive-map.html
Can anyone here on this blog look at this map and see where it proves this statement: “Why are so many states in a budget crisis right now? Unfunded benefits load. Why? Because Democrat-controlled governors gave away the long-term unsustainable store for short term election gains.” Dave seems to think it says so, but I’m missing the whole part about the Democrat-controlled governors. I wish there was a key to that map that showed that for me. It would be a lot simpler.
Kamchak
February 19th, 2011
6:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2sxujHcbI
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:45 pm
SoCo: It’s just an example of him providing data, and coming to a conclusion not supported by the data.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:45 pm
“Freedom of assembly, as guaranteed in the Canadian Constitution and the Constitution of the United States, is interpreted to mean both the freedom to assemble and the freedom to join an association. ”
Correct, larry! Good for you! That’s only PART of the story, however.
NO ONE is denying ANYONE the right to assemble or join. They are, however, setting reasonable rules that protect the individual who might not wish to join, and the taxpayers who have to pay for that organization.
And that is NOT un-Constitutional.
Nice try, but more like a foul ball rather than a full whiff.
Funded Retirement
February 19th, 2011
6:45 pm
The Consitution is the only basis for the law of the land and even it is subject to change and interpretation.
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:46 pm
They are, however, setting reasonable rules that protect the individual who might not wish to join, and the taxpayers who have to pay for that organization.
Oh do tell what “reasonable” rules you’re talking about. Don’t leave any of the proposed rules out, now. That would be unbalanced.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:47 pm
“YOU would recommend “The Federalist Papers!”
Unfortunately, josef, they are much more useful than lining a liberal’s dog crate with them.
Would that others could see that.
Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)
February 19th, 2011
6:47 pm
josef
Understand and agree with your point. I think the teachers have made their point and need to get back into the classroom as well. It does more harm than anything to deprive the kids any classroom time.
I’d love to sit and debate with y’all, but my child is far more important to me than any of y’alls opinions, whether I agree with them or not. C’ya later!!!!!
josef nix
February 19th, 2011
6:47 pm
ADAM
I disagree with Dave on a regular basis, but not because I’m “liberal” but because I don’t see it the same way he does. That doesn’t make him a “conservative.” Just the same as I’ve found some of your opinions to be classically rightist, I’ve found some of his to be clasically leftist. I will say this, though, I’ve found you both the be rather civil my direction.
Dave
Adam is our young un…he’s got a lot to learn, but he’s got a lot of what it takes to do that. He gives me hope for tomorrow….
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:48 pm
Funded: Yes but the issue has been decided in the Supreme Court on more than one occasion that a union is protected by the First Amendment. Specifically, in both the freedom of speech and freedom of assembly parts of that amendment. So it’s already been interpreted to be in support of the existence of unions.
Adam
February 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
josef: The conservative that actually thinks about things and changes his or her position to fit with actual facts and makes well-informed choices is not the “CONservative” I’m talking about. It’s just my moniker for the ones that don’t ever back down ever ever on anything EVER because it’s seen as a sign of weakness or some other such BS. It is not a proper way to approach a debate, and it is dishonest. It is also pitiful.
@@
February 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
Whooaaa…
And leg-humper
for a minute there, I thought AmVet had returned to discredit my standing as a “paragon”…to “fook” my details. But alas…”his pair” are gone or have been gone for some time now.
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
“Nothing on that map shows Democratic governors being the problems of the pension liabilities.”
Only if you ignore reality and history, SoCo.
California. Democrat-controlled legislature forever. Any Republican governors they had in the past had no veto power. Illinois. Democrats. Massachusetts. 85% of legislators are Democrats. No veto power for GOP governors. New Jersey. Democrats. New York. Democrats. Wisconsin, Louisiana, Oregon, etc, etc, etc.
Good thing that map doesn’t show anything to prove my point . . . .
Funded Retirement
February 19th, 2011
6:52 pm
So CO,
There is no way to conclude the reasons for a budget crisis from that map. Anyone can see that if they look at it. You will note that Forbes has chosen to focus very narrowly on the issue and even attempt to sway the viewer with their choice of presentation. Unfunded pension obligations is not an absolute statement. It is relative to current conditions, like unemployment rate or GDP.
@@
February 19th, 2011
6:55 pm
I still skateboard on a regular basis
Assmunch dude!
Dave R.
February 19th, 2011
6:57 pm
“Oh do tell what “reasonable” rules you’re talking about. Don’t leave any of the proposed rules out, now.”
Leg-humper, this is so easy!
How about that you can’t be forced to join a union if you don’t want to and still perform the work? Surely you don’t think that forcing someone to belong to a group is supported in the Constitution, do you? maybe we should write a law that everyone is required to join the Masonic Order before allowing them to run for office? Would THAT be Constitutional, leg-humper?
How about re-certifying the union every year? Are you saying that once created, those who are forced to join must endure the organization they cannot leave, even if said organization is not helping them? Does that meet ANY standard of logic for you? (Rhetorical question only – you’d have to have logic first).
josef nix
February 19th, 2011
6:58 pm
ADAM
Still, though, be careful throwing around monnikers. It weakens your case every time. I know. I do it myself and it weakens my case evey time. The Bruin (justifiably some times, others not) takes me to frequent task for it. Of course, his is (not unlike mine) a case of “do as I say, not as I do.” Insofar as Dave is concerned, he has “backed down” as you put it with me, and I have with him as well. Don’t confuse backing down with capitulation. I’m not accusing you of making that demand, mind you, but in our zeal we can often be justifiably charged with that…
Adam
February 19th, 2011
7:00 pm
Dave R: I asked you not to leave any rules out. You totally left out the pension stuff, for instance. And you listed 2 rules.
Surely you don’t think that forcing someone to belong to a group is supported in the Constitution, do you?
No, actually the same cases that upheld that unions have the right to exist also upheld that people also have the right NOT to assemble. So yeah, this one is reasonable. If that were all there was to it, then you’d be on good solid ground for supporting the bill.
The other rule, I am not so sure about. Every year actually seems a bit unreasonable.
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
7:00 pm
Assmunch????
Adam
February 19th, 2011
7:03 pm
josef: Definitely not asking for capitulation. Of course, if doing the moniker thing as a witty retort on the end of things is weakening my case, then it must often be weakening Dave’s cases as well…. well, at least the cases he is making that actually are reality based. You can’t really weaken a case that wasn’t on solid ground to begin with.
@@
February 19th, 2011
7:05 pm
Poser????
Assmunch…cutting other skateboarders off on a regular basis.
josef nix
February 19th, 2011
7:06 pm
ADAM
Yes. Dave’s use of sweeping monnikers weakens his case, too. Witticisms are another matter…but untless there’s some respect involved, they’re just nasty comments…
Dudley (United we stand, Divided we beg)
February 19th, 2011
7:08 pm
No just older than other skaters. Behind on the lingo