Mubarak stepping down as military moves to fill vacuum

Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak is reportedly stepping down. Gen. Hassan al-Roueini has told thousands of protesters in Tahrir Square that “All your demands will be met today.” Associated Press says Mubarak will address the nation tonight.

The New York Times does not exactly interpret the news as a victory for democracy:

CAIRO — Egypt’s armed forces on Thursday announced that they had begun to take “necessary measures to protect the nation and support the legitimate demands of the people,” a step that suggested the military intends to take a commanding role in administrating the strife-torn nation.

There was no immediate confirmation that the army intended to replace the government named by President Hosni Mubarak, but protesters gathered in Tahrir Square appeared to welcome reports that the military had replaced the civilian government they have steadfastly opposed.

Television images on Al Jazeera showed the masses in Tahrir Square cheering the news, waving flags and chanting: “The Army and the people in one hand.”

Vice President Omar Suleiman, named by Mr. Mubarak to undertake a dialogue with opposition groups, had warned Tuesday night that if the process he was supervising did not produce results, the military would step in to take administrative control in what he called a “coup.” There was no information about what role Mr. Suleiman or Mr. Mubarak would play in a military government.

Mubarak was — and is — a creature of the Egyptian military, as was his predecessor, Anwar Sadat. Now he is being replaced by that same military. Symbolically, that’s a big victory for the protesters. But we won’t know for months — and perhaps years — whether that translates into greater freedom and democracy for the Egyptian people. The ideal model would be that of Turkey, where the military played a critical long-term role in creating stability while allowing greater and greater democracy.

As a rule, however, military leaders in authoritarian countries don’t look kindly on the relative chaos that democracy entails. And once they have power, they have a way of growing too fond of it.

– Jay Bookman

262 comments Add your comment

md

February 10th, 2011
11:23 am

Kind of hard for the “power that is” to turn down that open Treasury box sitting before him. Mubarak served himself very well………………

Granny Godzilla

February 10th, 2011
11:25 am

Hurray for the people of Egypt!

The road to a functioning democracy will be tough, but if we could do it
they can do it.

Disgusted

February 10th, 2011
11:27 am

I see it as a quiet coup. The army has run Egypt for decades. If this doesn’t work to stop the demonstrations, I suspect the army will unleash its soldiers to crack some heads. In any case, anybody who believes that Egypt will operate like the United States, with civilian leadership firmly in control of the military, is dreaming.

Granny Godzilla

February 10th, 2011
11:30 am

and anybody who thinks that the people of any nation when pushed far enough by bad rulers CAN’t become a functioning democracy forgets where he lives…..

barking frog

February 10th, 2011
11:31 am

Hosni is getting hosed.

md

February 10th, 2011
11:31 am

“The army has run Egypt for decades”

Yes it has…..and has also taken care of itself very well…………time will tell if they are ready to take a voluntary pay-cut.

thomas

February 10th, 2011
11:32 am

Does it usually turn out good for the people when the military is the one who steps up to fill the power gap?

This does not seem like good news for the people of Egypt.

Bill Orvis White

February 10th, 2011
11:33 am

Now is the time for the brotherhood to make their move and seize control of the military and government. Once that happens, there will be a new strong coalition government that will stretch from Cairo to Tehran. Since Hussein Obama cut and ran in Iraq, there is a void for this coalition government to fill in Baghdad. The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood will be finally realized thus creating a super-caliphate that will spread over the next ten years in the region. Since they already have modern nuclear capabilities, look for this caliphate to start an uber-arms race. Unfortunately, we will lose the new arms race because this so-called administration never bothered to stare down Islamo-Fascism wherever it existed. We need a new Reagan who will call for indirect meetings with these incoming dictators’ henchmen and look at them the way Reagan looked at Gorby and yelled, “Nyet!” to concessions. A strong president would say, “I will go ahead and build my weapons shield and expand my cache because I don’t trust you!” Wake up America! Hussein Obama is in the best position to lead on this and get his good Muslim brothers from all over Kenya, North Africa and the Middle East to stare down all of their mad cousins and he’s squandering it because I really, really think he wants to institute Sharia Law here in the U.S. You all can call me crazy, but I know that I’m right. You are all blind to what’s going on and what are you all doing? You’re looking for a hero in this president, Nanny Pelosi, Bawney Frank and Hairy Reid to save you. Guess WHAT? They won’t!

Amen,
Bill

harvey

February 10th, 2011
11:34 am

There is no good news available for Egypt. Try making a living on sand and stone. Maybe they need to bottle and sell Valley of the Kings sand or something. Mubarak should leave. He has tons of money, so why on earth is he content to live in that hot, hell hole of a country? He could go to greener pastures–literally.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

February 10th, 2011
11:37 am

I think I’m gonna sit this one out after that 11:33 post. That one just left me speechless……

md

February 10th, 2011
11:38 am

“He has tons of money, so why on earth is he content to live in that hot, hell hole of a country? He could go to greener pastures–literally.”

And once it gets out as to how he got his money, he will be headed to The Hague….

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:43 am

cons lost two today.

kyl and the dictator.

cons are on a losing streak.

Bill Orvis White

February 10th, 2011
11:43 am

@Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

WAKE UP and be prepared, my American brother! If you’re in the stock market, I would get out and buy gold. If you need fuel supplies, stock up because we’re going up to $5/gallon this summer. Folk like me will not be around to help you when the jihadists come home to roost.

God Bless,
Bill

HDB

February 10th, 2011
11:43 am

Bill Orvis White
February 10th, 2011
11:33 am

They have medication for what you’ve got…..7cc of thorazine should help!!

Matti

February 10th, 2011
11:44 am

SoCo EOI,

BOW is not real; he’s a cartoon.

AmVet

February 10th, 2011
11:45 am

SoCo, I agree. Staggering sophistry.

What next, neo-cons re-prostrating (or is it re-prostituting?) themselves on behalf of the suffering Iraqi Egyptian people?

Wanking bankers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo

jm

February 10th, 2011
11:46 am

Will be interesting to see: what next?

barking frog

February 10th, 2011
11:46 am

thomas

February 10th, 2011
11:46 am

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:43 am

Could you elaborate i am confused by your post?

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:46 am

“Folk like me will not be around to help you when the jihadists come home to roost.”

Where are you going bill?

Back under your bed.

Man up son.

md

February 10th, 2011
11:47 am

Getalife….that kind of partisanship doesn’t exactly make you look good……are you saying the current admin has been refusing to work with Mubarack the past couple of years??

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:48 am

thomas,

The cons supported the dictator because they are scared of a few bad guys out of a billion people and kyl is retiring.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 10th, 2011
11:48 am

I think I’m gonna sit this one out after that 11:33 post. That one just left me speechless……

And you think I’m nuts?

md

February 10th, 2011
11:48 am

And what about the Clinton admin for his 8 tears??

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:50 am

md.

Yeah, I am a partisan hack against the cons.

A simple question, name one good thing cons have done to help the American people.

barking frog

February 10th, 2011
11:51 am

md

February 10th, 2011
11:48 am
And what about the Clinton admin for his 8 tears?
Clinton was lying not crying.

Steve Thompson

February 10th, 2011
11:51 am

Unfortunately, unrest in Egypt is just the tip of the iceberg. Most Middle East nations face the same demographic issues as Egypt; a massive number of young people who simply cannot find jobs and are extremely unhappy with their inability to start families or purchase homes.

Here is a look at just how desperate the situation is for young and highly educated Egyptians:

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2011/02/egypt-unemployed-population-cohort.html

thomas

February 10th, 2011
11:51 am

Did the adminstration make a change in jan. of ‘09?

I was under the impression that President Obama and his cabinet were still working with them up until the uprising.

Even after the uprising I think it was a couple of days maybe even a week before the democratic administration came out to speak against Mubarak?

Didn’t the Vice President come out and say Mubarak was NOT a dictator?

What political affiliation is Joe Biden again?

Come on, you can do better.

md

February 10th, 2011
11:52 am

“A simple question, name one good thing cons have done to help the American people.”

If you can’t give credit where credit is due and blame where blame is to to both “sides”, then yes, you are destined to be a partisan hack………

naksuthin

February 10th, 2011
11:52 am

FREE AT LAST!
For 30 years the rich, the powerful, the well connected, the business interests have controlled Egypt and enslaved it’s people.
Now Unions, the poor, the unemployed, the underpaid classes are rising up and overthrowing their “masters”.
Republicans in the United States should sit up and take notice.
You can cater to the rich and the business community because that’s where the money is.
But in the end, the masses of poor, unemployed and underemployed
will have THE LAST WORD.

For 30 years the US government has supported the undemocratic Mubarak as long…. as he was willing to go along with Israel and do our bidding in the middle east. We called him “our friend” and supplied him with military aid.

Instead, we should have spoken out 30 years ago as we are speaking out today.

It’s time for Mubarak…and all rich, corrupt, privileged leaders to go.
The power truly rests in the people in the streets. Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt, and next…Saudi Arabia!!

Long Live The Revolution!!!

Matti

February 10th, 2011
11:53 am

“Folk like me will not be around to help you when the jihadists come home to roost.”

AS IF good “Christian” schizophrenics give a rat’s fuzzy behind whether you live or die NOW…. Hahaha! Ooooop! Better do what he says or he won’t love us like Jesus anymore! Cartoon.

Bill Orvis White

February 10th, 2011
11:53 am

@md

“Mr.” Clinton let Islamo-Fascism flourish under his reign of (t)error while he was committing adultery and lying to investigators. We are now paying a heavy price for his sins. I agree with Mr. Boortz and know that the twin towers would be standing today if we didn’t have Clinton in office.
Amen,
Bill

md

February 10th, 2011
11:54 am

“Clinton was lying not crying.”

Yep…saw it the second I hit submit….oh well. Makes it more interesting…..folks know what I meant and get to comment on the boo boo at the same time……

HDB

February 10th, 2011
11:54 am

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

February 10th, 2011
11:48 am
“And you think I’m nuts?”

You DO have your moments………………

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:55 am

I know you can’t answer that simple question md.

You did not even try.

Think and get back to me on my simple question.

thomas

February 10th, 2011
11:55 am

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:50 am

That is going to be a matter of opinion, one could ask you the same question about democratic control, and argue any answer you gave.

md

February 10th, 2011
11:56 am

“Instead, we should have spoken out 30 years ago as we are speaking out today.”

Out of curiosity, have you ever made a purchase of Chinese goods at Wal-Mart??

thomas

February 10th, 2011
11:57 am

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:48 am
in case you missed it as I didn’t copy you to the post ….

thomas

February 10th, 2011
11:51 am
Did the adminstration make a change in jan. of ‘09?

I was under the impression that President Obama and his cabinet were still working with them up until the uprising.

Even after the uprising I think it was a couple of days maybe even a week before the democratic administration came out to speak against Mubarak?

Didn’t the Vice President come out and say Mubarak was NOT a dictator?

What political affiliation is Joe Biden again?

Come on, you can do better.

getalife

February 10th, 2011
11:59 am

thomas,

Come on get real.

Perhaps you can’t answer my simple question too.

Sad.

md

February 10th, 2011
12:01 pm

Be happy to play your silly little game as soon as you furnish your definition of “con”……

AmVet

February 10th, 2011
12:05 pm

thomas, I responded to your hysterical histrionics downstairs.

The definition of “con”. Oh yeah baby, this should get interesting…

md

February 10th, 2011
12:05 pm

“Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg testified Thursday at a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Egypt and Lebanon. Steinberg said in prepared testimony that the one constant amid the turmoil in the region was the United States’ unwavering support for Israel.”

Will be interesting to see how committed “we” really are…………..

thomas

February 10th, 2011
12:06 pm

The GOP was responsible for giving many americans a taxcredit which helped many underprivledged and lower income families get a hand up from the government.

GOP passed thru much of the Cival Rights Laws

hell thats 2 not just 1

So your turn.

And we can debate back and forth all day about what helped and what didn’t are you unable to see thatyou are asking an question regarding ones opinion?

Do you have blind prejudice for all people and races or just the GOP?

Jimmy62

February 10th, 2011
12:08 pm

Hopefully this will turn out better than I think, because right now I fear it just means Egypt will end up run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and that won’t end up good for anyone, except perhaps fanatical Islamists.

StJ

February 10th, 2011
12:08 pm

Since when did the New York Times care about democracy? Or freedom, for that matter? (Except for itself, of course.)

“And once they have power, they have a way of growing too fond of it.” Smells like arrogant Democrats. Elections have a funny way of knocking them down a few pegs though.

Bruno

February 10th, 2011
12:09 pm

md

February 10th, 2011
12:09 pm

Thomas….he didn’t say gop…..I’m guessing he will now come back and let you know that.

Paul

February 10th, 2011
12:10 pm

I wonder how many of the “Obama shoulda known” crowd saw this coming?

It’s not unexpected. Israel will breathe a bit easier. So will American policymakers. Stability – government aside – serves national interests. Hopefully the military will balance their desire for stability with the desires of the people. Maybe that entails changes to increase wages and employment, not so much for ‘democracy.’ Might help if they took the Mubarak family fortune (last few hours’ reports – in the tens of billions) and return it to the people.

I’d like to see cons praise redistribution of income as a good thing for democracy.

Bill Orvis White 11:33

“Now is the time for the brotherhood to make their move and seize control of the military and government.”

It might be nice to see that tried. It’d be a bloodbath and the Brotherhood would be crippled for years.

_____________________________________________

[[I think I’m gonna sit this one out after that 11:33 post. That one just left me speechless……

And you think I’m nuts?]]

dang, I love the laughs on this blog!

BADA BING

February 10th, 2011
12:11 pm

Mubarack is going to walk today, like an Egyptian. Oh Aye Oh.

Doggone/GA

February 10th, 2011
12:12 pm

“It might be nice to see that tried. It’d be a bloodbath and the Brotherhood would be crippled for years”

And all the hand-wringing may be for nought. The Muslim Brotherhood is legal in Syria…last time I looked they weren’t in complete control THERE.

Paul

February 10th, 2011
12:14 pm

Doggone/GA

Would you please stop with the real-world examples? It screws up the rhetoric!

Doggone/GA

February 10th, 2011
12:15 pm

“Would you please stop with the real-world examples?”

I know, my bad!

thomas

February 10th, 2011
12:15 pm

AmVet

February 10th, 2011
12:05 pm

I responded to you downstairs.
It is al there for any to read who choose to read the transcript of what we both wrote.

I am more than confident to allow other readers to read through and for themselves obtain who interjected partisan rhetoric and showed themselves to be a hypocrit.

Thats all that needs to be said, you can continue to pull out this and that and re-post it, but as I have stated the entire time, go back and read thrugh our interaction.

AmVet

February 10th, 2011
12:16 pm

Hey B, I just now cranked up that Sausalito Summernight.

What a wonderful deep cut. Right up my rockin’ bubblegum alley. Very Steve Miller like. Interesting, especially as they are Dutch!

And how odd, this one reminds me a little of Ricky Nelson!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g14BtNDlKUU

md

February 10th, 2011
12:18 pm

Yes, but Syria is not a democracy……….

As for Egypt…the military has gone 30 years keeping the MB at bay…..I don’t see the MB seizing power unless they are elected in through a democracy…….then all bets are off.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 10th, 2011
12:20 pm

yawn… the military (industrial complex) runs the United States. like the United States, Egypt is simply experiencing “change” it can believe in. as long as the military (or the Muslim Brotherhood) provide enough bread and circuses; Egypt will remain Egypt.

Granny Godzilla

February 10th, 2011
12:21 pm

The people of the USA removed a bad administration and replaced it with a new and better one and a “certain element” called for it to fail.

The people of Egypt are removing a bad administration and are working to replace it with a new better one and a “certain element” seems to want it to fail.

Are we seeing a pattern here?

Matti

February 10th, 2011
12:25 pm

Bruno & AmVet,

Haha! There y’all go getting all romantical again… Too cute. ;-)

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:27 pm

md,

If you do not know what a con is by now, I can’t help you.

Geez.

ty webb

February 10th, 2011
12:29 pm

“The people of the USA removed a bad administration and replaced it …”

how so?

thomas

February 10th, 2011
12:29 pm

Granny Godzilla

February 10th, 2011
12:21 pm

Which elements want those working, to replace Egypt’s gov. with a new and better one, to fail at that?

Seems more are worried about those groups looking to obtain power who will prove to not be better, and who have a history in the past of supression of rights and agression against others.

So who is it you feel seems to want this?

USMC dawg

February 10th, 2011
12:29 pm

I guess Mubarak won’t have trouble finding a new home… Estimated NET worth= $40-70 billion

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1155628.ece

md

February 10th, 2011
12:29 pm

“If you do not know what a con is by now, I can’t help you.”

ah…just as I thought…it is a game……..

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:32 pm

I like watching history unfold especially when the cons lose.

Another simple question, how many Muslims are there in our world and how many belong to the mb or aq?

I think we have defeated aq and the American taliban are a bigger threat on our country.

AmVet

February 10th, 2011
12:32 pm

thomas, your apology (downstairs) is gladly accepted. I too extended an olive branch. Just a big misunderstanding, it would seem…

Matti, you are really one badass lass! (But I still luv ya! DON”T get jealous, B!)

Hey md, since it’s an open discussion, would you like to indulge me in my/your definition of conservative?

thomas

February 10th, 2011
12:33 pm

md

February 10th, 2011
12:09 pm

I have never seen getalife make a distiction between the two? Based on his/her words, getalifepre-judges all those who identify as republicans. Regardless if he/she knows anything about the person’s actual feelings.

But that may not be how getalfe feels, those are only the ideas he/she has expressed here.

@@

February 10th, 2011
12:33 pm

Egypt’s military is heavily invested in the country’s economy. When bread was scarce, it was their bakeries that took care of the people.

I see this move as giving the youthful movement time to find a candidate of their choosing…someone that the majority of Egyptians can get behind.

Having watched an interview with Naguib Sawiris, I would love to see him step forward as a candidate. An impressive man grounded in both logic and principles.

Mick

February 10th, 2011
12:35 pm

bill orvis
**You all can call me crazy**

With some paranoia to boot..

Joe the Plutocrat

February 10th, 2011
12:36 pm

if history is any indicator, how’s this for a prediction? the Muslim Brotherhood uses the transfer of power to solidify its position, and becomes the de facto “government”. as such, it embarks on a (foreign) policy, which encourages and enables Islamo-Fascist terrorists to launch attacks against the United States and U.S. interests/embassies all over the world. because many of the terrorists are recruited, trained, and located IN Egypt, the United States invades, destabilizes, and occupies Iran, because Iran is developing nuclear weapons (WMDs). sound familiar?

Granny Godzilla

February 10th, 2011
12:37 pm

ty…

you know…the guy that wasn’t a real republican? wasn’t a real conservative? was a RINO?

that one.

thomas

you know….

the folks that think the big bad muslim brotherhood is going to sweep in to power…..that whole caliphate conspiracy…

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:37 pm

thomas,

I am all man.

If I got you to think, I have done more than your propaganda network, fox.

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:40 pm

If your post includes muslim brotherhood as your talking point, you might be a con.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 10th, 2011
12:40 pm

oh, and I forgot the last part – BECAUSE Iran sits atop a huge portion the world’s untapped oil reserves

md

February 10th, 2011
12:42 pm

“Hey md, since it’s an open discussion, would you like to indulge me in my/your definition of conservative?”

From what I can tell, conservative covers a very broad spectrum……..I know many from all parties that are “conservative” toward different issues, to include democrats…….

If the guy means the gop, then just say he means the gop….if not, he needs to define his parameters……….

ty webb

February 10th, 2011
12:44 pm

GG,
I was asking how the people of the USA “removed” your so called “bad administration”. You are aware of term limits, right? so I believe the constitution removed your so called “bad administration”. As this is the case, there is no “pattern here” with relation to Egypt and Mubarak.

thomas

February 10th, 2011
12:46 pm

Granny Godzilla

February 10th, 2011
12:37 pm

So there is no possibility of the Muslim Brotherhood taking control?

If there is a possiblity then why are they hoping for the Egyptian protestors to fail, if they are speaking out about fears they have about the Muslim Brotherhood? Seems by doing so they have the best interest of th Egyptian people in their minds.

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:37 pm

I was unaware of the amount of propaganda illustrated by The Simpsons, Family Guy I could understand but lumping them all in together is wrong!

Don’t watch too much TV news… too depressing, and full of slant, and cheap soundbites . I read alot though.

But good job of pre-judging me again and lumping me in with all those people you do not know who watch or don’t watch fox.

thomas

February 10th, 2011
12:48 pm

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:40 pm

Now, now, now……

You are gonna have to try real hard to convince any of us that Granny G is a CON! Just sayin!

BTW, I didn’t know if you were a male or female, so played it safe…..

seems like ya got some insecurity there u may wanna deal with though :o

@@

February 10th, 2011
12:50 pm

As to banning you, RW, I’m hoping your self-sacrificing role as the blog drama queen is just a temporary, passing fancy. Ordinarily, you make good contributions here. But the decision is in your hands, not in mine.

Say WHAT!!??!!

To hear your “peeps” tell it, ’tis I who is the drama queen here!

jay, you’ve always made it clear that the decision is in YOUR hands. You’re like a mother hen sitting atop her eggs. Once hatched, you expect them to scurry at your feet. If not….it’s off with their heads.

You expect all comments to be pleasing to your eyes. Between you and AmVet, it’s hard to determine who’s the bigger Hosni.

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:50 pm

thomas,

If you watched the news you would see the cons are the gop silly.

Moderates and compromise are frowned upon.

Try to keep up thomas.

md

February 10th, 2011
12:54 pm

“If you watched the news you would see the cons are the gop silly.”

Then to label every member of the gop as the same is even sillier………

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:54 pm

I will make you a deal thomas,

When your con party starts helping the people, I will stop attacking them.

Deal?

cosby smith

February 10th, 2011
12:54 pm

Only time will tell if this is good or bad…but keep your eye on the Suez Canal as control of it could bring DC to its knees and they have no clue as to what is going on.

Paul

February 10th, 2011
12:55 pm

@@

“’tis I who is the drama queen here!”

trying hard…. let it go…. don’t take the straight line…..

Drama Queen? A tiara, talent and stilettos? Wow -

md

February 10th, 2011
12:56 pm

“the folks that think the big bad muslim brotherhood is going to sweep in to power…..that whole caliphate conspiracy…”

As I stated earlier, I don’t believe the military will allow the MB to sweep into power….but in reference to the caliphate part, and discounting Iran, have you ever read the Hamas Charter??

Paul

February 10th, 2011
12:56 pm

“Moderates and compromise are frowned upon.”

He’s got a point, thomas -

Paul

February 10th, 2011
12:58 pm

getalife

“When your con party starts helping the people, I will stop attacking them.”

Well, tea party Republicans broke ranks with their masters and sided with Dems to defeat the Patriot Act extension. They’re a minority on that, but it’s different from the past –

It’s getting interesting.

md

February 10th, 2011
12:59 pm

“Moderates and compromise are frowned upon.”

And which party are we referring to? I don’t think the is a whole lot of love lost by the “dems” toward their Blue Dog brothers………….

getalife

February 10th, 2011
12:59 pm

md,

The are against violence and are in governments.

Our military should not be forcing democracy.

Open your eyes and turn off fox.

md

February 10th, 2011
1:02 pm

“The are against violence and are in governments.

Our military should not be forcing democracy.

Open your eyes and turn off fox.”

I would suggest you concentrate on not making assumptions….might help your world view……

getalife

February 10th, 2011
1:02 pm

Paul,

It was the first time I agreed with them but they will bring it back and they did not kill the law.

They should look at telcom amnesty next.

@@

February 10th, 2011
1:03 pm

Paul:

don’t take the straight line

Straight from my heart to the jugular. Dealing with tender sensibilities doesn’t fall within my responsibilities.

RB from Gwinnett

February 10th, 2011
1:03 pm

“But in the end, the masses of poor, unemployed and underemployed
will have THE LAST WORD.”

The BIG difference between the poor in other parts of the world and the poor here is mostly work ethic. Obviously the economy is making it difficult for all right now, but anybody who remained poor between 1985 and 2006 had nobody to blame but themselves. The common understanding that illegal hispanics are here doing jobs Americans won’t do didn’t get there by accident. Anybody who has tried to make a business function using legal American uneducated employees knows EXACTLY what I mean. If you haven’t tried, you should keep your unfounded opinions to yourself.

Bosch

February 10th, 2011
1:05 pm

from downstairs:

md,

You didn’t look at the quote right — it wasn’t me who wrote that.

thomas,

RE: that post you left me after I left — I didn’t think you meant simply the “poor” folks or I’d have wrote it — believe it or not, I think you’ve proven yourself to be better than that — than being so shallow (for whatever I may think is worth anything).

getalife

February 10th, 2011
1:07 pm

BTW Paul,

Your friend Billo told the world how to bring down Obama when he brought up rendition and torture in Egypt.

Of course, it would bring down w and cheney too.

md

February 10th, 2011
1:08 pm

“You didn’t look at the quote right — it wasn’t me who wrote that.”

It was you that split the statement in half, giving it a very different meaning……….

As I said…out of context. Maybe you might want to re-visit it……..

getalife

February 10th, 2011
1:09 pm

md,

I you have a problem with cons taking over your party you are free to leave the gop and stop blaming me.

Bosch

February 10th, 2011
1:10 pm

As to the topic,

I saw that dude from the Google they imprisoned on a news story today — he’s pissed! And he’s got like 250,000 whole people to support him!

All teasing aside — it’ll be interesting to see who replaces Mubarek — while he didn’t like kill off 1/3 of his opposition like Saddam, he kept the region in their propoer place — same with Mubarek. That’s the problem with democracy, sometimes we don’t like the outcome.

md

February 10th, 2011
1:11 pm

“Your friend Billo told the world how to bring down Obama when he brought up rendition and torture in Egypt.”

Obama has his own problems to worry about with his drone attacks into a sovereign nation and his hit orders out on an American citizen………..The Hague doesn’t much care what letter sits behind the name of any US President……

Dem4Rent

February 10th, 2011
1:12 pm

You mean there’s news from Egypt? Gee, don’t tell MSNBC because right now they are heavily focused on some unknown Republican congressman who sent a bare-chested picture to someone on Craig’s List. Yep, the same MSNBC that gushed and drooled over Obama’s bare chest on a beach, mind you. But hey, give the never-heard-of-outside-his-district Republican some credit: at least he stepped down immediately. A Democrat would have blamed someone else and arrogantly demanded to stay in power.

And of course there’s news about Jim Webb. Anyone remember him? He’s the Democrat who snidely snubbed W when W asked about Webb’s son in Iraq. Nobody will ever know if Senator Webb ever snubbed Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee who voted for Iraq war authority like Dianne Feinstein who chaired the SIC.

In any event, the plot thickens on Webb’s abandoned seat for 2012. Anyone remember a guy with the last name Allen? A Republican? A guy who said an alleged racial slur that maybe 5% of this nation had ever heard of before which cost him his re-election? Well, guess who may be coming back to fill Webb’s seat that was snapped from Allen? Oh Karma baby, you just have to love it.

And what’s up with Big Sis telling us that we are on the highest terror alert since 9/11? I thought – at least according to liberals – that Shrub & “shotgun” Dick were the only ones doing the fearmongering over a made-up bogeyman.

Regarding Egypt, keep close watch on the main stream liberal media making it appear the Obama administration is involved in the outcome every step of the way. So long and things go well anyway. Never mind this was years – decades even – in the making. Well hey, if the liberals can spin history into the Berlin Wall falling under Reagan’s watch and none of his years as president had a thing to do with it, then the same rule applies to Obama. Right? Right.

md

February 10th, 2011
1:12 pm

“I you have a problem with cons taking over your party you are free to leave the gop and stop blaming me.”

And there you go with more assumptions….just can’t help it can you……