Census: 85 percent of population growth is minorities

From the Associated Press:

“WASHINGTON — U.S. racial minorities accounted for roughly 85 percent of the nation’s population growth over the last decade – one of the largest shares ever – with Hispanics accounting for much of the gain in many of the states picking up new House seats….

“There are going to be a lot of additional Hispanic officials elected when redistricting is done,” said E. Mark Braden, a former chief counsel to the Republican National Committee who now advises state governments on redistricting. “But folks in power don’t give up control that easily – there will be tension between the ins and outs.”

… Broken down by voting age, minorities accounted for roughly 70 percent of U.S. growth in the 18-and-older population since 2000, and Hispanics made up about 40 percent. Hispanics also represented more than half the growth share of the voting-age population in Texas and California.

“The growth of the Hispanic community is one of the stories that will be written from the 2010 census,” Census director Robert Groves said Wednesday, previewing major demographic trends, including the movement of many minorities from city to suburb. “We should see a big difference from 2000 to 2010.”

… The minority growth share in 2010 is the largest in recent memory, with only the influx of European minority immigrants such as Italians, Poles and Jews in the late 1800s possibly rivaling it in scope, said William H. Frey, a demographer at Brookings Institution who analyzed the census data.”

“The new engines of growth in America’s population are Hispanics, Asians and other minorities,” Frey said. “But it’s just the tip of the iceberg. For the under-18 population – potential voters in the not-too-distant future – minorities accounted for virtually all the growth in most U.S. states.”

Meanwhile, Republican legislators and members of Congress consume themselves with trying to deny citizenship to babies born on U.S. soil and to block any possible path to citizenship for those who have come here illegally, drawn by intentionally lax immigration enforcement.

It’s a classic case of barring the barn door after the horse has escaped. The change is coming, it is unstoppable, and those who treat it as a political threat rather than an opportunity will find their stance a self-fulfilling prophecy.

– Jay Bookman

475 comments Add your comment

Observer

February 3rd, 2011
10:42 am

md

February 3rd, 2011
10:47 am

“and those who treat it as a political threat rather than an opportunity will find their stance a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

And those that look at it as an opportunity are neglecting the threat……….

Amnesty in the 80’s led to the mass influx we have now. Sanctioning the illegal behavior will once again signal that the US is open for business and one need not worry about the laws………….

A dangerous game to be playing…………….

carlosgvv

February 3rd, 2011
10:49 am

“intentionally lax immigration enforcement”

Just exactly who is responsible for this laxness and why aren’t they being criminally prosocuted? This is more than barring the barn door. This is burning down the barn. Jay, you said we get the politicans we call for. Since we have been calling for years now for this illegal immigration to stop, where are our politicans?

md

February 3rd, 2011
10:54 am

“Just exactly who is responsible for this laxness and why aren’t they being criminally prosocuted?”

Any wonder as to why we have career politicians……..nice cushy job, great benefits, and little to none accountability….the worst that happens is they get voted out and hit the million dollar speaking circuit.

The only job where one can royally screw things up and then turn around and campaign to fix it…..

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
10:54 am

“But folks in power don’t give up control that easily – there will be tension between the ins and outs.”

From out of the mist, the spectre of unrest has begun to rear it’s head in the West…..

intentionally lax immigration enforcement

http://www.hark.com/clips/svjkczfgql-gary-coleman

Rightwing Troll

February 3rd, 2011
10:56 am

“Since we have been calling for years now for this illegal immigration to stop, where are our politicans?”

In the pockets of those who profit from “undocumented” laborers.

stands for decibels

February 3rd, 2011
10:56 am

those who treat it as a political threat rather than an opportunity will find their stance a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of guys and gals.

Libertarian

February 3rd, 2011
10:57 am

Make them all citizens so they can start paying their fair share of taxes and they can be forced to buy health insurance and quit getting free emergency room treatment. And, I know you libs will say they do, but illegals DO NOT pay income taxes.

md

February 3rd, 2011
10:58 am

Only a matter of time, and our laxness will bite us in the butt………….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351385/Controversial-Muslim-cleric-caught-smuggled-U-S-Mexico-border.html

How many have not been caught is the question………………..

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:00 am

How many have not been caught is the question

The answer is 0. There’s no way to prove otherwise.

Normal

February 3rd, 2011
11:01 am

Good morning all y’all,
I find it kind of strange-funny that the Republicans accuse the Democrats of being soft on immigration when the Democrats say “give them amnesty and let them become citizens”. Mostly,
I believe, because the Republicans are afraid most of them will become Democrat. On the other hand, the Republicans (mostly) don’t want to take away the incentive for coming here illegally by fining the employers who would hire them…Until we get that figured out, they will keep a-coming…

USinUK

February 3rd, 2011
11:01 am

before the hate really begins in earnest, i thought everyone could use a laugh today …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R55e-uHQna0

the funniest thing I’ve seen in ages

Doggone/GA

February 3rd, 2011
11:01 am

“And, I know you libs will say they do, but illegals DO NOT pay income taxes”

If they are working on a false SS number, yes they probably do. If they are paid in cash, then you are correct they don’t. But they still pay other taxes, and those who pay SS taxes will not see it come back to them.

Peadawg

February 3rd, 2011
11:02 am

” rather than an opportunity” – to get these undocumented Democrats registered to vote. This is just like spending cuts…too worried to get re-elected to do the right thing.

Peadawg

February 3rd, 2011
11:03 am

USinUK…I saw that earlier today. Hilarious!!!

barking frog

February 3rd, 2011
11:05 am

Libertarian

February 3rd, 2011
10:57 am
———————————————————
The only possible way aliens could not pay
income taxes is if their employers do not
withhold them.

Mr. Right

February 3rd, 2011
11:06 am

The change is coming, it is unstoppable, and those who treat it as a political threat rather than an opportunity will find their stance a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So we let the illegals run our country!

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:06 am

And, I know you libs will say they do, but illegals DO NOT pay income taxes

The only way to be 100% sure about that is if you’re employing them yourself. Are you employing illegal labor????

harvey

February 3rd, 2011
11:07 am

This is exactly why we are into a spiral downward. Those minorities, in general, do not contribute to the tax rolls like others. They don’t become educated, they collect welfare, they continue to procreate (cause it is easy I guess and doesn’t take a lot of effort–and they know someone else will support them). They are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not my support/money. Rent the movie, Idiocracy and see where we are headed!!

harvey

February 3rd, 2011
11:09 am

I want to know who on this post, who hires Mexicans to do their yards, roof their houses, and clean them, pays withholding on the amounts paid to them? Don’t lie.

barking frog

February 3rd, 2011
11:09 am

It appears that Hispanics are exceptional procreators. Just
part of american exceptionalism.

PJ

February 3rd, 2011
11:10 am

To: barking frog 11:05 am & Southern Comfort 11:06 am – Right on to you both!

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:10 am

Awwwwww damn….

Jay, you opened the flood gates with this one…. :roll:

Mr. Right

February 3rd, 2011
11:10 am

Why don’t we make Mexico part of the US then the illegals wouldn’t be illegal anymore! Wow what a brilliant idea! I’m so proud of myself.

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:11 am

“The answer is 0. There’s no way to prove otherwise.”

As there is no proof of “0″…………………it is all about guessing, and historical data……..if 20 million folks have gotten through……..odds say it is not zero.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:12 am

Those minorities, in general, do not contribute to the tax rolls like others. They don’t become educated, they collect welfare, they continue to procreate

Holy sh*t.. We have the Jane Goodall of minorities here giving his report. I’m sure you sat up in a tree for years taking notes on minorities to generalize like that. Hell, you’re describing poor white people too. They fit that description pretty well too.

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:13 am

Shorter Harvey: “Damn minorities are destroying our country!”

Jimmy62

February 3rd, 2011
11:14 am

But what percentage of those hispanics are here legally?

I’ll guarantee none of the elected officials will be illegal immigrants, since that would be illegal. So basically what Jay is saying is that there will be more legal immigrants in office. I got no problem with that, nor does the GOP. Only people like Jay think there’s some mass anti-Hispanic racism going on. Yeah, there’s some, but that’s not what the average person is upset about. And few people are going to have a problem with a Hispanic guy winning an election, so long as that guy is a legal immigrant.

Y’all make fun of us saying that there’s a difference between legal and illegal immigration, but we only keep saying it because you are too stupid to get the point, no matter how many times we say it. And when you mock us, it just demonstrates that you still don’t get it.

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:14 am

“It appears that Hispanics are exceptional procreators”

Goes back to religion…….there is a reason religions preach procreation, and it isn’t because they like babies………….they like warriors………..

PJ

February 3rd, 2011
11:14 am

harvey, I thought “Idiocracy” was one of the funniest movies I ever saw but I don’t think there was anything realistic about it.

barking frog @11:09 am – you are going to give me a stroke! I never laughed so hard!

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:15 am

And SoCo, it ain’t gonna go away just because we don’t talk about it. I think it’s valuable to get the Harveys of the world on the record, so we can all see exactly what we’re dealing with here.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:15 am

20 million folks have gotten through

If you think 20 million folks all came in through the Southern border, you might wanna go back and research illegal immigration a little more.

harvey

February 3rd, 2011
11:15 am

Jay, you got that right! But you can add that the bleeding hearts are letting them do it. Keep on denying the evidence of your own eyes and experience. I do agree, there are some poor white trash who work the system as well as the minorities. That is cause the system is run by government employees–lots of minorities, who don’t do their job–coffee break anyone!

El Jefe

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

Jay,

1st) only if the child is born to illegal aliens. If one is a US citizen, different story.

2nd) if Mexico wants to lecture us on the States laws regarding illegal aliens, then let them clean up their own house first.

3rd) Only Congress has the authority to set naturalization policy Article I, Sec 8 “To establish a uniform rule of naturalization…}. They do not have authority regarding illegal aliens and their processing.

Del

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

Illegal immigration inspires the far-lefts fondest dream of one party rule even though it threatens our national security.

USinUK

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

SoCo – “Hell, you’re describing poor white people too”

ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!

I think you’ve hit upon the key difference.

stands for decibels

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

Shorter Harvey: “Damn minorities are destroying our country!”

I liked him better as an imaginary rabbit.

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

barking frog 11:05 – I seriously doubt aliens pay taxes. They’re subject to interstellar regulation only. Diplomatic immunity, so to speak.

Dave R.

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am

“The change is coming, it is unstoppable, and those who treat it as a political threat rather than an opportunity will find their stance a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

Since you couldn’t even predict within a week’s time what was going to happen in Egypt, I think I shall just ignore this latest dire warning.

Peadawg

February 3rd, 2011
11:17 am

““Damn minorities are destroying our country!””

“Damn illegals are destroying our country!” Fixed your typo, Jay.

horse

February 3rd, 2011
11:17 am

It is interesting that the most xenophobic see this as an opportunity to express their rancor.

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:19 am

“If you think 20 million folks all came in through the Southern border, you might wanna go back and research illegal immigration a little more.”

Never once mentioned the southern border……………..

Jimmy62

February 3rd, 2011
11:19 am

The weekly poker game I go to is always joking about hiring an illegal immigrant to deal the cards…. But no, I’ve never hired an illegal for anything. There’s a nice dude who came here legally with his family, and he and his two sons clean my gutters a couple of times a year. They speak broken English, but are proud that they got here the legal way, and they work their asses off to make sure their family rises up out of poverty. I couldn’t be more happy to have people like that in this country. And more dismissive of the contributions of anyone whose first act on American soil is breaking the law by being here at all.

barking frog

February 3rd, 2011
11:19 am

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:16 am
barking frog 11:05 – I seriously doubt aliens pay taxes. They’re subject to interstellar regulation only. Diplomatic immunity, so to speak.
——————————————–
It appears that you are not well acquainted with the IRS.

Peadawg

February 3rd, 2011
11:20 am

:lol: LOL :lol: horse used the word, xenophobe. Too funny. That must be the liberal word of the day.

USinUK

February 3rd, 2011
11:20 am

peadawg – funny, the lede is “U.S. racial minorities accounted for roughly 85 percent of the nation’s population growth ”

racial minorities.

says nothing about their legal status.

USinUK

February 3rd, 2011
11:20 am

jm – 11:16 – yay!

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:21 am

I for one, don’t want our country to end up like “big Mexico”. I want immigration. I just want balanced immigration. Which means not permitting hoards of people to just cross over the border willy nilly.

I think our immigration quotes should be doubled, qualifications should be increased (we’d like more PHD’s please), and our immigration policy should be “diversified” to reflect the global balance of population. Ie, more people from China and India and Brazil and fewer from Mexico.

jt

February 3rd, 2011
11:22 am

Don’t worry. The federalies will save us from illegal boarder crossers ,marijuana cigarettes, and those dang canadians……………………That is what our tax dollars are for……………………..

Washington – A Predator drone previously used for patrolling North Dakota’s northern border is now being used to patrol at least a 900 mile section of the Canada-US border from the “vicinity” of Spokane, Washington to the Lake-of-the-Woods region of Minnesota. According to CBP, the drone will be used to increase the capacity of the US Department of Homeland Security’s unmanned aircraft missions in combating counterterrorism, counternarcotics and border security procedures.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/302998#ixzz1CuhYesgs

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:22 am

barking frog 11:19 – (IRS) I do avoid contact with them as much as possible.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:22 am

Jay

Indeed it will not go away. I’ve posted links several times to job postings for both Border Patrol and CBP. I’m just tired of the arm chair quarterbacking by people who don’t have a friggin clue. Instead of relying on 2nd and 3rd hand information, they can go visit Nogales, AZ or Calexico, CA to see what it’s really like.

Every time somebody complains about broken borders, that’s just like kicking a BP Agent in the nuts. Those guys risk their lives every day to keep us all safer without asking for any type of praise. I take it personal as those guys are my brothers and sisters. I’ve even had to escort fallen officer’s remains through here.

I know what we’re dealing with, and exposing somebody’s stupidity and ignorance here isn’t going to keep my brothers and sisters safe on the southern border.

Peadawg

February 3rd, 2011
11:23 am

“says nothing about their legal status.” – Yet Jay mentions them in his column.

stands for decibels

February 3rd, 2011
11:24 am

get these undocumented Democrats registered to vote.

[...]

the bleeding hearts are letting them do it.

[...]

the far-lefts fondest dream of one party rule

Few things are more amusing than watching conservatives trying to imagine what their political opposition actually thinks. (I’d call it their attempt at “empathizing”, but I seem to recall that conservatives don’t seem to care much for that word.)

USinUK

February 3rd, 2011
11:24 am

p’dawg – true, that.

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:26 am

Jay – “Census: 85 percent of population growth is minorities”

Ugh.

Sigh.

barking frog

February 3rd, 2011
11:27 am

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:22 am
barking frog 11:19 – (IRS) I do avoid contact with them as much as possible.
———————————
A wise path to follow.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:27 am

““Damn minorities are destroying our country!””

“Damn illegals are destroying our country!” Fixed your typo, Jay

Peadawg

Had harvey mentioned anything about illegals, you’d be spot on. However, he said minorities, so Jay was merely summarizing what harvey said.

Never once mentioned the southern border……………..

That’s where the cleric was caught. You wondered how many others had gotten through. Well, it’s kinda hard to smuggle people through an airport. Smuggling by sea usually ends up with fatalities. So, that only leaves land borders. Very rarely is the Northern border brought up when discussing illegal immigration, so that only leaves one alternative………….

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:27 am

“I know what we’re dealing with, and exposing somebody’s stupidity and ignorance here isn’t going to keep my brothers and sisters safe on the southern border.”

And sadly, granting amnesty will actually make their jobs that much more difficult, as the numbers will more than likely increase…….just like the 80″s. Letting folks know that laws don’t matter is dangerous.

Just look at the increase of violence in Egypt as the police and army do nothing…………

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:28 am

md, I’d like to discuss your observations on amnesty a little further, in particular your claim that “Amnesty in the 80’s led to the mass influx we have now.”

Personally, I’d bet that 95 percent of the illegal immigrants in this country have no idea that 25 years ago, Ronald Reagan signed an amnesty bill. And for the remaining 5 percent, the knowledge played little to no role in their decision to come here.

Illegal immigrants weren’t drawn to this country by the hope that sometime in the unforeseen future another amnesty bill might be signed giving them a chance somewhere down the road to be citizens. You don’t get drive a mass migration based on such what-if motivations.

It’s much more basic and visceral than that. They were drawn here because they could get jobs that paid them 10, 20 or 30 times what they could earn back home, if they could earn anything at all. They were drawn here because they saw it as chance to feed and house and clothe their families. And the undeniable truth is that we as a society and government encouraged them to think that way, because it suited the interests of those with economic power.

Short version: If Reagan had NOT signed the amnesty bill in 1986, we would be in exactly the same situation we find ourselves in today.

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:28 am

Jay – ” consume themselves with trying to deny citizenship to babies born on U.S. soil”

Well, when poverty stricken foreigners are exploiting the law for personal gain in perpetuity, then it’s hard to argue with the Repub effort in my book.

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 3rd, 2011
11:30 am

All 20 million came thru the Atlanta airport and SoCo let them in.

Shame on you SoCo

:-)

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:30 am

Jay – “drawn by intentionally lax immigration enforcement.”

Why is it too much to ask to make sure that those who come here, do it legally? WHY?

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:31 am

“That’s where the cleric was caught. You wondered how many others had gotten through. Well, it’s kinda hard to smuggle people through an airport. Smuggling by sea usually ends up with fatalities. So, that only leaves land borders. Very rarely is the Northern border brought up when discussing illegal immigration, so that only leaves one alternative………….”

Assumptions on your part does not equate to thoughts on my part……………

I said “get through”, which means all…………….

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:31 am

“Letting folks know that laws don’t matter is dangerous.”

But it is politically incorrect to enforce those lwas, md.

Disgusting.

getalife

February 3rd, 2011
11:32 am

White flour!

stands for decibels

February 3rd, 2011
11:32 am

Well, when poverty stricken foreigners are exploiting the law for personal gain in perpetuity,

whenever I ask you or others who assert such things of proof of this reason for “exploiting the law” I get a lot of great Ralph Kramden impressions, but little more.

but hey, I’m all eyes/ears if you’ve got something.

barking frog

February 3rd, 2011
11:32 am

The conservatives must become more liberal with procreational
stimulus packages.

ty webb

February 3rd, 2011
11:33 am

Jay,
you write:
“Personally, I’d bet that 95 percent of the illegal immigrants in this country have no idea that 25 years ago, Ronald Reagan signed an amnesty bill. And for the remaining 5 percent, the knowledge played little to no role in their decision to come here.”

Md didn’t say anything about illegals knowing US history. They come because they can. Due to our lax immigration policy in which Reagan’s amnesty played a part of.

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:34 am

Nice Guy writes:

“Jay – “Census: 85 percent of population growth is minorities”

Ugh.

Sigh.”

Given that reaction, it would seem this is NOT just an issue of illegal immigration for you, Nice Guy.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:34 am

It’s much more basic and visceral than that. They were drawn here because they could get jobs that paid them 10, 20 or 30 times what they could earn back home, if they could earn anything at all. They were drawn here because they saw it as chance to feed and house and clothe their families. And the undeniable truth is that we as a society and government encouraged them to think that way, because it suited the interests of those with economic power.

ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding……………

Remove the magnet that attracts them here in the first place, and the attraction begins to diminish. As long as they can come here and work for more money in one day than they can earn in a month at home, they’ll keep coming regardless to what you put at the border. Take a drive along Buford Hwy, and you’ll find Western Unions all over the place. They come here to make money to send home for their family’s survival. If you want them to leave, quit hiring and paying them, and they have no reason to stay.

AmVet

February 3rd, 2011
11:34 am

These numbers confirm that the Mormons and white Catholics have been lax in their responsibilities!

I won’t live long enough to see the new generation of hate-filled xenophobes have heart attacks over this matter, so I’ll just have to do with watching the old racists and bigots blow a gasket. (I hope the old coots don’t think they can just show up at some emergency room and then get treatment for free…)

And once again cons, regarding the United States Constitution and the 14th Amendment, keep your filthy hands off of that sacred document…

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:35 am

“but hey, I’m all eyes/ears if you’ve got something.”

So Stands, you think that said exploitation is not real, but rather a made up conservative talking point?

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:35 am

Jay – but don’t you think we should have a more “balanced” immigration policy (geographically, demographically, education level), rather than our defacto current policy which is to just let people in from Mexico who are generally low skilled under no system at all?

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:35 am

That’s not what md wrote or meant, Ty.

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:35 am

“Given that reaction, it would seem this is NOT just an issue of illegal immigration for you, Nice Guy.”

Buzzer sounding. Wrong again.

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:36 am

Sorry Jay, I don’t agree…….you seem to be operating on an assumption that there was no communication between those granted amnesty and those associated with those granted amnesty……I’d bet that the communication was there, and folks understood that nothing would happen to them if they entered the country illegally……..historically, the precedent had already been set.

Now, had Reagan granted amnesty and secured the border, different story……….he did one and not the other……..message sent……………

Mr. Snarky

February 3rd, 2011
11:38 am

I prefer to hire Venezuelans to do my yard…just kidding! Wish I could afford it, but I can’t so I do my yard myself, which means it looks like crap. Harvey, will you come help me with my yard? I’ll pay you $8 an hour.

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:38 am

US Debt. $14.1 Trillion, and rapidly increasing sir!!

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

But let’s debate more important issues…..

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:39 am

md

February 3rd, 2011
10:58 am
Only a matter of time, and our laxness will bite us in the butt………….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351385/Controversial-Muslim-cleric-caught-smuggled-U-S-Mexico-border.html

How many have not been caught is the question………………..

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:11 am
“The answer is 0. There’s no way to prove otherwise.”

As there is no proof of “0″…………………it is all about guessing, and historical data……..if 20 million folks have gotten through……..odds say it is not zero.

You actually said gotten through, but that’s semantics. Either way, 20 million didn’t walk over the Southern and Northern Border or swim up on the beach in Florida. Millions simply enter the US legally and never leave. That’s the funny part because people automatically put a Hispanic face on illegal immigrants, but very rarely do you hear people talk about the Europeans, Africans, Asians, or South Americans here illegally. All the focus is on Mexico. Many of the “Mexicans” are not Mexican at all. They usually come thru Mexico from other Central American countries.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:40 am

getalife @ 11:32

That is sooooooo wrong……. :lol:

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:40 am

That sure SOUNDS like what you meant, Nice Guy.

You expressed great distaste over the fact that 85 percent of our population growth was coming from minority groups.

Scout

February 3rd, 2011
11:40 am

Southern Comfort and Stands for Decibels and Del:

See my 11:38 under “American Exceptionalism” Thread re: Why a USMC .

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:41 am

jm – “But let’s debate more important issues…..”

Well, you have to remember that Jay’s following largely don’t understand economics are know how to read financial statements. So, its no wonder Jay stays away from such topics.

ty webb

February 3rd, 2011
11:41 am

Jay,
sorry, but that’s what I took from it. I believe that when people are coming into the country illegally and nothing is done about it, and in some cases they are given amnesty, others are sure to follow their lead. How do you think future illegals hear about the “opportunity” that the US offers?

Nice Guy

February 3rd, 2011
11:41 am

“You expressed great distaste over the fact that 85 percent of our population growth was coming from minority groups.”

Yes, that’s right. Its a shame.

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:42 am

Big Government = Big Cronyism = Inefficient Economy = Comparative Poverty…. thanks Obama

Obama issues global warming rules in January, gives GE an exemption in February
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/obama-issues-global-warming-rules-january-gives-ge-exemption-febr

The rest of us will just have to play by the Big Government rules. Hire your lobbyist and contribute to your politician, or you’re toast.

Jay

February 3rd, 2011
11:42 am

jm, we’ve debated that one how many times here?

Do you want more charts and graphs? Because you KNOW I can do that for you.

Scout

February 3rd, 2011
11:44 am

You are correct …… it’s coming and unstoppable.

Non-assimilation will result in turmoil and Balkanization.

Those of us in my age bracket were fortunate to have seen our country at its zenith.

Nothing lasts for ever.

StJ

February 3rd, 2011
11:45 am

Wonder what that percentage would be if immigration law was actually enforced?

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:45 am

soco,

I’m operating off the number of illegals estimated to be here……nothing more, nothing less. Total number from all sources that have gotten through………………..

Based on that, and the makeup of society in general, odds are that some bad guys are among those 20 million………..I doubt seriously that only those nice folks looking to better themselves make up 100% of the total.

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:45 am

Jay 11:42 – I know we have (debated the deficit). But the horse isn’t dead until our politicians pass some budgets and laws that puts our deficit on a more sustainable trajectory.

Gotta run. Cheerio.

Peadawg

February 3rd, 2011
11:46 am

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/new-ga-bill-targets-826516.html

“Murphy’s bill would also:

Require certain private employers to start using a federal program called E-Verify after July 1, 2012. The program seeks to verify that newly hired employees are eligible to work in the United States. A coalition of businesses and immigrant rights groups is suing to stop a similar law in Arizona that requires all businesses to use E-Verify, arguing it is unconstitutional.

Punish government officials who fail to comply with requirements for the use of E-Verify. Violators could face removal from office and fines up to $10,000.

Penalize government contractors and subcontractors who submit false affidavits in attempts to comply with the E-Verify requirements. They could be blocked from getting public contracts for a year and face a $1,000 fine for each day they violate the law.

Punish certain noncitizens who don’t carry a form of government identification called a “certificate of registration.” Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and face a fine of up to $100 and 30 days in jail.”

AMEN! Although Obama will likely sue that state again(moron). Atleast we’ve tried.

jm

February 3rd, 2011
11:46 am

Interest doesn’t stop accumulating…. we can go on doing what we’re doing, but the clock keeps ticking….

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 3rd, 2011
11:50 am

SoCo@11:39 am

Millions simply enter the US legally and never leave. That’s the funny part because people automatically put a Hispanic face on illegal immigrants, but very rarely do you hear people talk about the Europeans, Africans, Asians, or South Americans here illegally. All the focus is on Mexico. Many of the “Mexicans” are not Mexican at all. They usually come thru Mexico from other Central American countries.
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That is one of the drawbacks to the catch’em and send’em back arguments. The cost to send the illegal immigrants to their home countries will be tremendous.

If they are found to be employed illegally here the business that employed them should bear the FULL cost of detaining and transportation home, as well as a stiff fine.

e-verify needs to be enhanced to catch duplicate SS#’s being used, It’s not impossible as the politicians try to tell us (as their reason for doing nothing), difficult yes, impossible NO.

md

February 3rd, 2011
11:51 am

jm,

Sometimes it takes the 2×4 to the head to get it………we will get the 2×4 at some point…..just like others such as Greece.

getalife

February 3rd, 2011
11:51 am

As societies crumble, it is good to know the cons have found the people they can blame it on.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:51 am

Scout

Was that the post with the instructions? If so, that one was funny. Had to copy that one and saved it as a word file on my pc.

Scout

February 3rd, 2011
11:52 am

Jay:

You forgot to mention ………… guess whoooooo ???

“A Muslim cleric Wednesday said Egypt will be ruled by Sharia law and eventually the United States – and the whole world – will fall to radical Islam. In a heated interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, Sheik Anjem Choudary also called for the destruction of Israel, saying the Jewish state needs to be “repelled” for what it has done to Muslims.

“Sharia will come and it will remove the corruption of democracy, and freedom, and all of your exploitation,” Choudary said. “You are worried because you know Islam is coming to your backyard.”

Mick

February 3rd, 2011
11:53 am

scout

**Those of us in my age bracket were fortunate to have seen our country at its zenith

I was talking about that with my dad the other day. “Those were the days my friend, we thought they’s never end, yes those were the days’ However, american exceptionalism still exists and no matter what the future holds, we will figure it out and move forward..

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

February 3rd, 2011
11:56 am

md

Ok, I can see where you’re coming from. No argument from me. There’s been a slowdown of foreign operatives trying to enter the US. The thing now is to recruit from within. I think we face a larger danger from citizens and legal residents. Citizens can not be denied entry into the US regardless of where they’re coming from or what they’ve been doing. Legal residents have to do something heinous to be denied entry into the US. If you look at most of the attempts over the past few years, the majority have come from citizens or legal residents.

Not to say that bad people are not trying to get into the country any more, but it’s far easier to get a US Citizen in with bad intentions as opposed to a foreigner.