Tiananmen redux? Protests in Egypt turn violent; pro-Mubarak forces attack
1:15:White House spokesman Robert Gibbs:
“The time for a transition has come, and that time is now.”
———–
Things are turning violent in Egypt, and the provocation is coming from pro-government forces.
The Egyptian military has told protesters to go home, that with Hosni Mubarak’s pledge not to seek re-election, their message has been heard and heeded. Protesters have concluded that no, that’s not quite what has happened, and they decided to stay.
So this morning, an organized, orchestrated effort by a large number of pro-Mubarak protesters began to push the anti-Mubarak groups out of Tahrir Square in Cairo. A few minutes ago, for example, Mubarak allies launched an assault of 40 to 50 riders on horses and camels into the anti-government demonstrators. Some of the riders were pulled from their mounts and beaten.
Here’s a Youtube video of the pro-Mubarak forces, many of them mounted, others carrying weapons, surging toward the square.
The Egyptian military is reportedly standing by watching the violence.
8:25: People are digging up rocks from the pavement to use as weapons. According to one Egyptian witness, the pro-Mubarak forces “carry large well-made banners – replicas of the banners that are used in the rigged elections, proclaiming for Mubarak.” In other words, this is a well-coordinated counterattack.
8:45: It’s pretty stunning how quickly all this has played out, and I’m not referring just to this morning’s events. A few weeks ago, the idea that the Mubarak government would be teetering today, along with that of Jordan, Yemen and perhaps others, would have been all but inconceivable. If you ensure that change can’t occur gradually, you ensure that it will come all at once.
8:59: Gunshots can be heard now.
9:04: Mohamed ElBaradei: This is “a criminal act done by a criminal regime”.
9:16 Fox News interviewing Mitch McConnell on health care repeal? Really?
9:33 I’m seeing reports that the pro-gov forces have essentially sealed the exits from the square. That could be very ominous, because it doesn’t happen by accident.
9:56: There’s no real doubt that this is government-sponsored, government-driven and government-planned violence. And however it shakes out, that poses a real challenge to the Obama administration in the days ahead. Do they cut off aid? Break relations? Having sided publicly with Mubarak’s ouster, what do you do now that he has turned to violence against his own people to stay in power?
10:04: Ali Jomaa, the Grand Mufti of Egypt, tells all Egyptians to go home.
“I greet President Mubarak who offered dialogue and responded to the demands of the people. Going against legitimacy is forbidden (Haram).
This is an invitation for chaos. We support stability. What we have now is a blind chaos leading to a civil war. I call on all parents to ask their children to stay home.”
10:13: British PM David Cameron:
“These are despicable scenes that are we are seeing and they should not be repeated. They are underline the need for political reform and frankly for that political reform to be accelerated….
If it turns out that the regime in any way has sponsored or tolerated this violence, that is completely unacceptable.”
10:19: Al Jazeera producer on scene:
“They are throwing Molotov cocktails at the anti-Mubarak protesters. The army has backed off from the Corniche – they used to have a few tanks on the beachfront road, but they have pulled out now.”
10:45: Darkness starting to fall in Cairo; Molotov cocktails raining down on protesters from surrounding buildings. This is going to get very bad.
11:10: multiple, multiple reports of media — foreign and Egyptian — being targeted for violence.
Sherine Tadros, Al Jazeerah English, Tweet:
“right in middle of clashes. I’ve been hit in the face. huge stampedes. Rocks flying. Crazy atmosphere.”
11:16: From the Guardian blog (UK), regarding a Tweet by State Dep’t spokesman PJ Crowley, and they have a point:
“US State Department spokesman PJ Crowley has infuriated people with his appeal for “all sides in #Egypt to show restraint and avoid violence”.
Here is just a sample of the reaction on Twitter:
@draddee
Did @PJCrowley really call on all sides to stop the violence?? All sides!!!!!!!?? Is the USG watching Egyptian State TV’s coverage today?
@AfriNomad
Dear @PJCrowley, You are a coward. Dear #SecClinton, You are a coward. @BarackObama this is your Rwanda moment #Jan25 #Egypt
@weddady
If u support the ppl of #Egypt and want Hosni Mubarak out pls tell the state dept @PJCrowley to stop their idiotic statements
@Salma_Tweets
@pjcrowley,@barakobama,@statedepartment what are you doing to help us, we’re being killed by Mubarak in Tahrir, long live US Freedom!!!!!
11:32: Tweet from scene:
@allawati: Just saw a foreign journalist being chased by a mob with weapons. He was alone. They got him. God help him.
12:00: The lights have been shut off at Tahrir Square, and all exits have been closed. The panic and desperation of those trapped and under attack there can only be imagined.
12:17> From Nick Kristof’s blog at NYTimes:
“In my area of Tahrir, the thugs were armed with machetes, straight razors, clubs and stones. And they all had the same chants, the same slogans and the same hostility to journalists. They clearly had been organized and briefed. So the idea that this is some spontaneous outpouring of pro-Mubarak supporters, both in Cairo and in Alexandria, who happen to end up clashing with other side — that is preposterous. It’s difficult to know what is happening, and I’m only one observer, but to me these seem to be organized thugs sent in to crack heads, chase out journalists, intimidate the pro-democracy forces and perhaps create a pretext for an even harsher crackdown.”
From an eyewitness posting at the UK’s Guardian:
“The first act of violence I saw was a family crossing street into Tahrir Square and a car passed by with a group of women and suddenly they got out of the car and started cursing, intimidating and throwing stones as they ran after the family harassing them and other people. We started creating human chain around the square and inside the square we were putting signs calling it “Shuhada Square” (Martyr Square) to remember the 300 people who died so far. Peace was maintained inside the square. We decided to take a break and go home. As we are walking away from the square, suddenly I see pro Mubarak protesters on horses and camels riding down from Talaat Harb Square toward us, cursing me and my husband. They had whips and all kinds of weapons on them. I called to check on my friends who’d stayed in Tahrir Square and they began to shout that they are being beaten – my friend described to me what she was seeing: a 7-year-old-boy was wounded by stones thrown at him by the pro Mubarak campaigners. The anti Mubarak camp kept chanting: Peaceful. Peaceful. Peaceful but the pro camp kept pushing in and they had all kinds of weapons on them and the stone throwing fight began. In the meantime, all they have on national TV is a broadcast of peaceful protesters chanting pro-mubarak [slogans] and callers calling in blaming everything on the anti-Mubarak protests and saying that they deserve whatever happens to them because they didn’t stop.”
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
9:53 am
Interesting development – army tanks are now spewing smoke to try to disorient the crowds – not teargas, just smoke
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
9:53 am
and, in other news, Yasi has hit the NE Australian coast …
Deep Throat
February 2nd, 2011
9:54 am
Borsch you Jay and all liberals can not take any subject and discuss it with out attacking someone on the right. Quite frankly all tho what is happening in Egypt is huge, life goes on else where, I would imagine the people stranded in the Mid west don’t give a darn about Egypt at this point, lets keep things in perspective, don’t blast the Right just because of your own politico.
Del
February 2nd, 2011
9:54 am
It seems difficult if not impossible to determine which side has the most culpability for the violence. You have the Mubarak supporters with speculation that they’re really Egyptian Security forces in disguise and you have the anti-government protesters who have probably been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood and radical Islamic elements attempting to exploit the situation.
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
9:54 am
Paul, from twitter, overseas newspapers, al jazeerah english, cnn, a couple of Mideast experts i follow, etc.,
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
9:55 am
Bada – 9:47 – (golf clap) – well done!
Boschh – 9:47 – I’ve never understood the people who think that just because they say something, that makes it so.
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
9:56 am
Ban Ki Moon just issued a statement saying Mubarak must go
Big Wave Dave Cameron, too
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
9:57 am
“Borsch you Jay and all liberals can not take any subject and discuss it with out attacking someone on the right”
wow. did you the POINT of Jay’s post make a whistling sound when it went past you???
Bosch
February 2nd, 2011
9:58 am
USinUK,
” I’ve never understood the people who think that just because they say something, that makes it so.”
In my opinion, it’s because they are the types who think only in absolutes and black and white.
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
9:59 am
well, all I can tel you is that one of the side street blockades has broken and people are POURING in – but, you can’t tell which side they’re on
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
9:59 am
There’s no real doubt that this is government-sponsored, government-driven and government-planned violence. And however it shakes out, that poses a real challenge to the Obama administration in the days ahead. Do they cut off aid? Break relations? Having sided publicly with Mubarak’s ouster, what now that he has turned to violence against his own people to stay in power?
Deep Throat
February 2nd, 2011
10:00 am
All AJC liberals can stand and stretch now, you’ve been at your keyboards long enough.
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2011
10:00 am
CNN Live is streaming the battles in the square…. Audio is intermittent, but the visuals are compelling.
Joe the Plutocrat
February 2nd, 2011
10:02 am
Deep Throat, i’m still trying to figure out your screen name (1 – 1970’s porn flick/sexual act 2 – mysterious source of information used to topple Nixon presidency). Bada Bing, is it me, or does the pro-Mubarak forces choice of mount not help the “camel jockey” epithet? unfortunately, folks; this is a “backlash to the backlash”. Mubarak will not be told how to act by the people of Egypt OR the POTUS. in many ways this is a sad mainfestion of the proverbial “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”. don’t bring diplomacy and calls for democracy to a “fight” with an repressive, autocratic regime – ’specially one we enabled for 30 years.
Bosch
February 2nd, 2011
10:02 am
ByteMe,
Yeah, that’s what I’m watching….
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:02 am
These aren’t freedom fighters.
It’s a murderous mob to be followed eventually by an Islamic State.
Fred
February 2nd, 2011
10:04 am
Any info on the Muslim Brotherhood Jay?
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:04 am
From the Guardian:
“Ali Jomaa, the Grand Mufti of Egypt, tells all Egyptians to go home.
“I greet President Mubarak who offered dialogue and responded to the demands of the people. Going against legitimacy is forbidden (Haram).
This is an invitation for chaos. We support stability. What we have now is a blind chaos leading to a civil war. I call on all parents to ask their children to stay home.”
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2011
10:04 am
Scout is picking sides.
BADA BING
February 2nd, 2011
10:04 am
From time to time, the tree of Liberty must be watered with a little blood.
Fred
February 2nd, 2011
10:05 am
LOL Jay, Scout has the mantra down already. And I only heard 30 seconds of Sean………..
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:08 am
Yeah Scout, I wonder what the Boston Massacre would have looked like on CNN and Youtube. Something much like this, I’d imagine, if on a smaller scale.
You know, a “murderous mob” of colonials and all?
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:08 am
one of theentrances to the square on the Nile side is showing a lot fighting – the pro-Mubarak people are pushing the pro-Democracy people out …
Del
February 2nd, 2011
10:09 am
Jay, this may be a government plan in motion, however, no one knows to what extent the protest movement has been infiltrated by radical Islamic elements or if the protest has been covertly taken over by the M.B. with Iranian sponsorship. It could be our own Intelligence resources don’t really have a handle on that question.
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:10 am
Jay – criminey, at least the British were wearing uniforms – from what a reporter just said, people are getting the crap beaten out of them only for the people to look at their identity cards after the fact and realizing that they AREN’T pro-Mubarak
Joe the Plutocrat
February 2nd, 2011
10:11 am
Deep Throat, why is it “huge”? because thje military industrial complex and the perpetual war neo-cons are telling you it is “huge”? and before you accuse me of name-calling, go to the American Conservative online and read the recent articles by Pat Buchanan (Monday) and Andrew Bacevich (last Thursday). both scribes are dyed in the wool (paleo) conservatives, not passive/aggressive (neo) conservatives. the fact that you continue to view this as “conservatives” vs. “liberals” and accuse “liberals” of refusing to view this within some geopolitical context (in favor of “name-calling”) is a “pot meet kettle” moment.
Here Spot
February 2nd, 2011
10:11 am
Its time for Hosni to squelch this little rebellion and if some people must die then so be it.
Jimmy62
February 2nd, 2011
10:12 am
Mubarak is a jerk, unfortunately the most likely to take power if he fails are religious extremists who aren’t going to be any better.
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
10:12 am
Enter the goons.
Here we go.
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2011
10:12 am
The middle east run by middle easterners, what a novel idea.
Bosch
February 2nd, 2011
10:13 am
Del,
I heard a report this morning that some of the pro-Mubarek protestors were non-uniformed police officers.
@@
February 2nd, 2011
10:13 am
While the army has not yet been reported to be trying to break up the clashes, several protesters have been said to be flocking to soldiers present in the vicinity for protection against the pro-Mubarak supporters and alleged plainclothes police who are among them.
Read more: Clashes in Egypt’s Tahrir Square | STRATFOR
It’s also being reported that some of the anti-Mubarak protesters have been caught with guns.
As to the Muslim Brotherhood…what can an organization expect? When they lay down with dogs, they’re forever afflicted with the fleas. A splintered group that no one trusts. The who’s who of Islamists.
Their earliest reprieve was granted by Sadat and we see what that got him. As much as jay would like to deny it, Egypt’s 2005 elections were less rigged than any before because Bush had pushed for greater democratization in the Middle East. As a result, the MB, running as independents won 88 seats, making it the biggest opposition bloc in parliament.
In 2003 Bush sharply denounced not just tyranny in the Arab states but the logic by which the West had abetted it. “Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe—because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” he said. “As long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place of stagnation, resentment, and violence ready for export.”
Was Bush right or wrong to do that?
While I support the protesters, they should have spent more time selecting a voice that would lead Egypt to where they wanted it to go. As it is, they’ve allowed questionable leaders to adopt their cause.
Haste makes waste.
I’m cheering for the protesters and their military.
Let’s not forget that it’s been reported Hamas has been crossing into Egypt. Could they be among the pro-Mubarak supporters. Nothing would make them happier than to provoke a clash between the military and the protesters.
Fred
February 2nd, 2011
10:14 am
That’s nice Del, but what exactly IS the Muslim Brotherhood? Ostensibly they are non violent and were one of the few groups that spoke out AGAINST the attacks on September 11th 2001. They don’t seem to support jihads and since their inception in 1928 they have opposed violence.
Iranian influence? The MB was started in Egypt………
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
“who have probably been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood”
Infiltrated? By an over 50 year old organization that has been PUBLIC in it’s support of the protesters? That kind of “infiltration”?
Disgusted
February 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
CNN producer Steve Brusk Tweeted, “Anderson [Cooper] said he was punched 10 times in the head as pro-Mubarak mob surrounded him and his crew trying to cover demonstration.”
In every disaster, there’s always some redeeming feature.
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2011
10:17 am
Anyone got the line on the Super Bowl ? This Egyptian mess had sidetracked the big things happening in the US of A.
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
10:18 am
What would Jesus say to do ?
Might he not say: if the leader says “‘I’m Egyptian and will die on Egyptian soil’, then let him do so … “
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:19 am
Al Jazeera producer on scene:
“They are throwing Molotov cocktails at the anti-Mubarak protesters. The army has backed off from the Corniche – they used to have a few tanks on the beachfront road, but they have pulled out now.”
Del
February 2nd, 2011
10:22 am
Bosch,
It seems that whenever chaos on this level isn’t brought under control, ideally in a peaceful manner the worst case scenarios prevail. It’s pretty much up to the Army as to who’ll they will ultimately support and that will determine who wins and I’m sure division probably even exists there as well. Hopefully, the people of Egypt will end up the winners.
Joe the Plutocrat
February 2nd, 2011
10:23 am
Scout, are you referring to the guys on the horses/camels, or the protestors?
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:24 am
Jay:
A couple of points:
1) The Boston Massacre involved the British firing on unarmed civilians. Future President John Adams a leading “Patriot” represented the soldiers in court.
“In the trial of the soldiers, which opened November 27, 1770, Adams argued that if the soldiers were endangered by the mob, which he called “a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes, and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish jack tarrs,”[26] they had the legal right to fight back, and so were innocent. If they were provoked but not endangered, he argued, they were at most guilty of manslaughter. The jury agreed with Adams and acquitted six of the soldiers. Two of the soldiers were found guilty of manslaughter because there was overwhelming evidence that they fired directly into the crowd, however Adams invoked Benefit of clergy in their favor: by proving to the judge that they could read by having them read aloud from the Bible, he had their punishment, which would have been a death sentence, reduced to branding of the thumb in open court.”
2) The Egyptian Freedom Fighters ………… have destroyed priceless mummies and artifacts, let out the prisoners and terrorists, are looting everywhere and are now beating innocent police officers just trying to make a living.
3) ByteMe: If I have to choose between a Mubarak who says he will step down for the next election and an Islamic state controlling the Suez Canal it’s an easy choice.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:25 am
Jay:
““They are throwing Molotov cocktails at the anti-Mubarak protesters. The army has backed off from the Corniche – they used to have a few tanks on the beachfront road, but they have pulled out now.”
You could do a much better job as a “combat journalist” if you were there. Won’t the AJC go for a plane ticket ?
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:27 am
“… innocent police officers just trying to make a living.”
Just like the KGB, huh Scout? Just innocent police officers. Your friendly neighborhood cop.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
10:27 am
“CNN Anderson Cooper ‘punched 10 times in head’ by mob in Egypt…. ”
I guess the far left will say those attackers were violent tea partiers disguised as Egyptians.
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
10:27 am
What would Jesus say to do?
If your leader says to you “It’s your choice: either me or chaos” then the righteous will always choose chaos.
Better a true chaos in the streets and peace in the heavens than a false peace in the streets and disorder in the heavens.
Go forth, my followers, and make peace – and wage war – as you must.
Bosch
February 2nd, 2011
10:28 am
Del @ 10:22,
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been struck as to how the military appears to be neutral in this — that should be a sign to Mubarek to leave. Even today, the worst we’ve seen, in total chaos, they are sitting still.
It is also interesting to think about how many of these “new” protestors are actually “pro Mubarek” or “pro lets stop this protesting, get back to normal and wait for September.”
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:28 am
Del:
You and I know if the Islamists get control of that canal and start toying with its use (i.e., no more passage for U.S. war ships), that’s just the thing that starts a full scale war/invasion.
Del
February 2nd, 2011
10:30 am
Fred, The M.B. goes back many years and is well organized. Although it’s true they have in the past spoken out against violence their objective is a return to the Caliphate and the imposition of Sharia law. It’s been well known that they have an association with Iran and Hezbollah along with Hamas. They’re peaceful philosophy has become questionable in recent years. They have also had members who were/are associated with Al Qaeda.
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2011
10:30 am
Higher def video than CNN is over at http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:30 am
“What would Jesus say to do?”
‘Render under Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s”
Nothing there about tax evasion.
Ah …………….. and remember Caesar was a dictator.
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:32 am
‘In every disaster, there’s always some redeeming feature.”
nice.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:33 am
BADA BING :
I bet there will be a truce to watch the Super Bowl.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:34 am
Jay:
If the people of Vietnam were doing the exact same thing as the Egyptians would you be supporting them ?
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:35 am
Absolutely, Scout. Why on earth would you ask that?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
10:36 am
“Obama Reportedly Urging Mubarak Not to Run Again ”
I wonder if Obama could practice what he preaches?
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:37 am
aaaaand, fires have broken out – you can see it inside one of the shuttered businesses
Del
February 2nd, 2011
10:38 am
Scout, they’re well aware that our fragile economy couldn’t withstand a disruption of the Suez and of course the world economy couldn’t withstand it either. Should the worst case scenario occur and Egypt turns into an Islamic state controlled by radicals and or Iran it would then become very ugly.
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:39 am
holy crap – big molotov cocktail dropped from at least 7 or 8 stories
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
10:40 am
“REPORT: US, EU discussing need for international military intervention to remove Mubarak… ”
Uh oh….could this be Obama’s “illegal” war? How will we pay for it? How long will we “occupy” Egypt? The questions….the questions….
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:37 am
Are you sure it’s not just an open fire pizzeria?
BADA BING
February 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
Who cares about Anderson Cooper? I want to know about the condition of Joe the Camel!
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
From Twitter:
“Ayman Nour says he’s surrounded by govt thugs in Bab el-Louq, Cairo”
Nour finished second — with 7 percent — in the 2005 “fair” presidential elections in which Mubarak got 89 percent. Shortly afterward, he was arrested, beaten and imprisoned for five years.
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
Scout:
Better a righteous chaos than a false peace that crushes the spirit of the righteous.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
10:44 am
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
Was Carter’s middle east treaty “a false peace that crushes the spirit of the righteous.”?
Paul
February 2nd, 2011
10:45 am
Jay
Thanks for the earlier.
Anyone else with a broadband connection interested, live coverage from al jazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
10:47 am
good gawd, there some guy who’s being treated like a pinata – he’s anti-Mubarak and has gotten a severe beat-down, is surrounded by people trying to get him to safety who are, themselves, surrounded by people trying to get at the guy they’re protecting …
@@
February 2nd, 2011
10:48 am
I’m not questioning whether what Obama did was right or wrong…I’m just saying this guy thinks Obama talks too much without saying anything of value.
What does Washington do now? Does Obama just keep going out there making new statements every day? No. When I wrote last night that Obama’s statement didn’t quite go far enough and he shouldn’t even have bothered, this is the kind of thing I had in the back of my mind. Don’t say anything unless you really have something to say that can impact the situation.
I share his sentiment.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:49 am
Jay @ 10:35
I was just wondering.
A lot of the Vietnamese people did that once ………. and hundreds of thousands voted with their feet by leaving that ugly “Uncle Ho” in the North.
We tried to help them (with not a whole lot of support from you liberals) and alas those mean “Northies” came and took them back (many to re-education camps for as long as 10 years)>
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:51 am
Left wing management :
I don’t think that’s in my Bible.
Chapter and verse please.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:54 am
“Protesters tell ‘The Jerusalem Post’ they don’t feel Egypt is completely free of Israeli occupation, “Camp David made us a slave.”
Hey, I was there following them around (Carter, Begin and Sadat) as they walked the paths at Camp David.
I thought it went very well ……………………..
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2011
10:55 am
I’m guessing Proverbs.
cosby smith
February 2nd, 2011
10:56 am
Not sure where you are going with this blog Jay…Egypt is serious and no news seems to be digging into the reality nor how this “just happened”. If the Muslim factor takes over and they now have US weapons and control of the Suez Canal, the world game changes dramatically..but again this did not “just happen” and you wonder where the leadership in DC has been…for many many years…after all, the main purpose per the dreaded constitution of the DC crowd is to protect the USA and deal with the foreighn elements..apparently another failure by DC..but then lets tax the rich…The game is changing befor our eyes and neither the news nor DC seems to know what the h… to do about it…sad very sad
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:56 am
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm and double Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm …………………..
“US, EU discussing need for international military intervention to remove Mubarak”
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:57 am
ByteMe
Chapter and verse please.
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
10:57 am
Darkness starting to fall in Cairo; Molotov cocktails raining down on protesters from surrounding buildings. This is going to get very bad.
As for that garbage about US military intervention, it came from Drudge.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
10:59 am
Jay …………….
On second thought maybe you had better cancell that trip to Cairo. It’s a little more dangerous than you experience there at the AJC.
“CNN producer Steve Brusk Tweeted, “Anderson (Cooper) said he was punched 10 times in the head as pro-Mubarak mob surrounded him and his crew trying to cover demonstration.”
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2011
10:59 am
Scout: I did a google of the statement and that’s what it came up with. Then I switched back to CNN
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
11:00 am
Scout:
Not an actual biblical verse, just a fictional verse offered by Left Wing Management.
Leg lamp:
Here’s a mystery quote for you. Can you name the mystery author of these words:
“Therefore negotiations are urged without regard to the history of negotiations. This history is not reassuring. Unless one side of a negotiation has been utterly defeated, negotiations typically are dangerously destabilizing.… Even the best that Camp David could bring about was a stalemate, rather than a peace.”
Del
February 2nd, 2011
11:01 am
From a bit of a rocky beginning I think the administration has been handling the Egyptian situation as best that it can be done publicly. Behind the scenes we don’t know and shouldn’t know at this point. Obama didn’t do himself any favors by coming on national television yesterday evening after his 30 minute conversation with Mubarak and made it sound as though his discussion influenced Mubarak’s decision. And that he, Obama, was pressuring Mubarak to begin the transition process now. Today’s events clearly show that Obama did not influence Mubarak.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
11:01 am
“As for that garbage at the start of this thread, it came from Bookman.”
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2011
11:01 am
Rocks, now fire. But no guns. Gun control in Egypt??
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
11:03 am
Left wing management.
“Not an actual biblical verse, just a fictional verse offered by Left Wing Management. ”
That’s what I thought.
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
11:04 am
Drudge doesn’t even offer a link to that alleged “report.”
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
11:04 am
Left wing management
February 2nd, 2011
11:00 am
The Reverend Jesse Jackson?……..Al Gore?…..the Reverend Al Sharpton?…….Keith Olberman?…..Rachel Maddow?…..Cher?…..
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
11:06 am
multiple, multiple reports of media — foreign and Egyptian — being targeted for violence.
Southern Muslim Guy
February 2nd, 2011
11:06 am
Would all women and Scout leave the blog please.
I am wishing to converse with men now.
Thank you.
5minutes.
Halla calla saalaam.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
11:06 am
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
11:04 am
It says “developing”, Jay…….give it time………
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2011
11:07 am
drudge /drʌdʒ/ Show Spelled
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noun, verb, drudged, drudg·ing.
–noun
1. a person who does menial, distasteful, dull, or hard work.
2. a person who works in a routine, unimaginative way
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
11:09 am
awwww … does Drudge still think he’s relevant???
how cute.
Soothsayer
February 2nd, 2011
11:09 am
Hell’s a poppin’
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
11:10 am
Jay:
“As for that garbage about US military intervention”
We’ll bring this up again if that canal ever gets closed.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
February 2nd, 2011
11:10 am
“‘Camp David made us slave,’ Egyptian protester says… ”
Hmm……how can we blame Camp David on W?
USinUK
February 2nd, 2011
11:10 am
watching Sky coverage – in the middle of the mob going nutty throwing rocks, there’s 1 guy standing there with his arms outstretched to either side and has remained there, unmoved and (surprisingly) unhit for the last 3 or 4 minutes …
AmVet
February 2nd, 2011
11:11 am
Just curious, neither Lamper nor Scout mentioned how they felt about journalists from the Communist News Network and elsewhere being beaten. (Tacit approval, boys?)
What a shame that paragon of courage and valor is not on site to cover these events. After all Billy O has been in a firefight!
Soothsayer
February 2nd, 2011
11:11 am
If you don’t have CNN on right now you should!
StJ
February 2nd, 2011
11:13 am
“9:16 Fox News interviewing Mitch McConnell on health care repeal? Really?”
I guess Fox didn’t consult with you first before deciding what to air. But then again, you can’t write anything without slamming one or more of “the enemy”, even if the subject matter doesn’t have anything to do with them.
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
11:14 am
Jay:
If you don’t think the U.S. military has a full scale invasion plan for Egypt to hold that canal (and they are now reviewing it for any possibility) you are pretty naive.
Jay
February 2nd, 2011
11:15 am
Of course they do, Scout.
That’s a far cry from using military force to overthrow Mubarak, which is utter and absolute nonsense.
“Garbage,” I think, is the technical term.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2011
11:15 am
“I guess Fox didn’t consult with you first before deciding what to air”
I get it. It’s OK for YOU to criticized JAY, but it’s NOT OK for Jay to criticize FOX “News”
Scout
February 2nd, 2011
11:18 am
Southern Muslim Guy :
Are you wearing one of thos Hijab sack dresses or britches ?