Tiananmen redux? Protests in Egypt turn violent; pro-Mubarak forces attack

1:15:White House spokesman Robert Gibbs:

“The time for a transition has come, and that time is now.”

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Things are turning violent in Egypt, and the provocation is coming from pro-government forces.

The Egyptian military has told protesters to go home, that with Hosni Mubarak’s pledge not to seek re-election, their message has been heard and heeded. Protesters have concluded that no, that’s not quite what has happened, and they decided to stay.

So this morning, an organized, orchestrated effort by a large number of pro-Mubarak protesters began to push the anti-Mubarak groups out of Tahrir Square in Cairo. A few minutes ago, for example, Mubarak allies launched an assault of 40 to 50 riders on horses and camels into the anti-government demonstrators. Some of the riders were pulled from their mounts and beaten.

Here’s a Youtube video of the pro-Mubarak forces, many of them mounted, others carrying weapons, surging toward the square.

The Egyptian military is reportedly standing by watching the violence.

8:25: People are digging up rocks from the pavement to use as weapons. According to one Egyptian witness, the pro-Mubarak forces “carry large well-made banners – replicas of the banners that are used in the rigged elections, proclaiming for Mubarak.” In other words, this is a well-coordinated counterattack.

8:45: It’s pretty stunning how quickly all this has played out, and I’m not referring just to this morning’s events. A few weeks ago, the idea that the Mubarak government would be teetering today, along with that of Jordan, Yemen and perhaps others, would have been all but inconceivable. If you ensure that change can’t occur gradually, you ensure that it will come all at once.

8:59: Gunshots can be heard now.

9:04: Mohamed ElBaradei: This is “a criminal act done by a criminal regime”.

9:16 Fox News interviewing Mitch McConnell on health care repeal? Really?

9:33 I’m seeing reports that the pro-gov forces have essentially sealed the exits from the square. That could be very ominous, because it doesn’t happen by accident.

9:56: There’s no real doubt that this is government-sponsored, government-driven and government-planned violence. And however it shakes out, that poses a real challenge to the Obama administration in the days ahead. Do they cut off aid? Break relations? Having sided publicly with Mubarak’s ouster, what do you do now that he has turned to violence against his own people to stay in power?

10:04: Ali Jomaa, the Grand Mufti of Egypt, tells all Egyptians to go home.

“I greet President Mubarak who offered dialogue and responded to the demands of the people. Going against legitimacy is forbidden (Haram).

This is an invitation for chaos. We support stability. What we have now is a blind chaos leading to a civil war. I call on all parents to ask their children to stay home.”

10:13: British PM David Cameron:

“These are despicable scenes that are we are seeing and they should not be repeated. They are underline the need for political reform and frankly for that political reform to be accelerated….

If it turns out that the regime in any way has sponsored or tolerated this violence, that is completely unacceptable.”

10:19: Al Jazeera producer on scene:

“They are throwing Molotov cocktails at the anti-Mubarak protesters. The army has backed off from the Corniche – they used to have a few tanks on the beachfront road, but they have pulled out now.”

10:45: Darkness starting to fall in Cairo; Molotov cocktails raining down on protesters from surrounding buildings. This is going to get very bad.

11:10: multiple, multiple reports of media — foreign and Egyptian — being targeted for violence.

Sherine Tadros, Al Jazeerah English, Tweet:

“right in middle of clashes. I’ve been hit in the face. huge stampedes. Rocks flying. Crazy atmosphere.”

11:16: From the Guardian blog (UK), regarding a Tweet by State Dep’t spokesman PJ Crowley, and they have a point:

“US State Department spokesman PJ Crowley has infuriated people with his appeal for “all sides in #Egypt to show restraint and avoid violence”.

Here is just a sample of the reaction on Twitter:

@draddee

Did @PJCrowley really call on all sides to stop the violence?? All sides!!!!!!!?? Is the USG watching Egyptian State TV’s coverage today?

@AfriNomad

Dear @PJCrowley, You are a coward. Dear #SecClinton, You are a coward. @BarackObama this is your Rwanda moment #Jan25 #Egypt

@weddady

If u support the ppl of #Egypt and want Hosni Mubarak out pls tell the state dept @PJCrowley to stop their idiotic statements

@Salma_Tweets

@pjcrowley,@barakobama,@statedepartment what are you doing to help us, we’re being killed by Mubarak in Tahrir, long live US Freedom!!!!!

11:32: Tweet from scene:

@allawati: Just saw a foreign journalist being chased by a mob with weapons. He was alone. They got him. God help him.

12:00: The lights have been shut off at Tahrir Square, and all exits have been closed. The panic and desperation of those trapped and under attack there can only be imagined.

12:17> From Nick Kristof’s blog at NYTimes:

“In my area of Tahrir, the thugs were armed with machetes, straight razors, clubs and stones. And they all had the same chants, the same slogans and the same hostility to journalists. They clearly had been organized and briefed. So the idea that this is some spontaneous outpouring of pro-Mubarak supporters, both in Cairo and in Alexandria, who happen to end up clashing with other side — that is preposterous. It’s difficult to know what is happening, and I’m only one observer, but to me these seem to be organized thugs sent in to crack heads, chase out journalists, intimidate the pro-democracy forces and perhaps create a pretext for an even harsher crackdown.”

From an eyewitness posting at the UK’s Guardian:

“The first act of violence I saw was a family crossing street into Tahrir Square and a car passed by with a group of women and suddenly they got out of the car and started cursing, intimidating and throwing stones as they ran after the family harassing them and other people. We started creating human chain around the square and inside the square we were putting signs calling it “Shuhada Square” (Martyr Square) to remember the 300 people who died so far. Peace was maintained inside the square. We decided to take a break and go home. As we are walking away from the square, suddenly I see pro Mubarak protesters on horses and camels riding down from Talaat Harb Square toward us, cursing me and my husband. They had whips and all kinds of weapons on them. I called to check on my friends who’d stayed in Tahrir Square and they began to shout that they are being beaten – my friend described to me what she was seeing: a 7-year-old-boy was wounded by stones thrown at him by the pro Mubarak campaigners. The anti Mubarak camp kept chanting: Peaceful. Peaceful. Peaceful but the pro camp kept pushing in and they had all kinds of weapons on them and the stone throwing fight began. In the meantime, all they have on national TV is a broadcast of peaceful protesters chanting pro-mubarak [slogans] and callers calling in blaming everything on the anti-Mubarak protests and saying that they deserve whatever happens to them because they didn’t stop.”

– Jay Bookman

303 comments Add your comment

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:15 am

40-50 against hundreds of thousands of protesters???

criminey, talk about a death wish.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:16 am

it’s been ages since I could say this …

FIRSTIES!

stands for decibels

February 2nd, 2011
8:21 am

40 to 50 riders on horses and camels

I hope Mubarak is at least compensating their families generously.

Union

February 2nd, 2011
8:22 am

i was watching pbs coverage of the happenings going on over there.. as they were interviewing people coming up the road the obvious question was asked.. “who did they want to replace mubarak” and they answer was.. they didnt have a clue. kind of like when obama was elected.. people didnt have a clue what his positions were.. etc..

sometimes we want change.. but without a plan.. sometimes we get more/less than we bargained for.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
8:23 am

The pro-Mubarak counter-protest numbers in the thousands, perhaps more, USnUK. They have apparently come armed for conflict, with uniformed police among them.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:23 am

dB – can’t imagine what the ask was “so … what are you doing tomorrow? ever read ‘Charge of the Lightning Brigade’??”

Call it like it is

February 2nd, 2011
8:24 am

What I found so interesting was the pictures of the citizens of Egypt watching Obama on a live feed, hanging on his every word. Funny how all we hear is how the middle east doesnt want us involved in their business yet, when our leaders speak, they listen. Could you even imagine, say in NY, everybody stopping in time square to look up at the screens to pay attention to a leader of another country?

Thats a lot of power.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

February 2nd, 2011
8:25 am

So. Into the Mubarak vacuum. Moderate or radical Islamic based leadership?

Same thing for Tunisia, Yemen, etc, etc.

What they really need in Cairo is a good community organizer.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:26 am

jay – sounds like the military’s luck has finally run out – they’re going to have to choose sides

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:27 am

LIGHT Brigade! sorry, all those lightning snow storms have gone to my head …

lynnie gal

February 2nd, 2011
8:30 am

The pro-Mubarak protesters are very aggressive and violent, from what I’m witnessing on CNN right now. They attacked the peaceful, pro-democracy demonstrators at the low point of their numbers, since the pro-democracy group was tired and many decided to go home for a day or two until Friday, when the largest protest is planned, in the millions. The rumor is that the pro-government group has been paid by state run companies and are being paid by the government.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
8:30 am

The military appears to have taken sides by doing nothing, USnUK.

Bud Wiser

February 2nd, 2011
8:30 am

The catastrophic failures of the Obama administration and their complete LACK of a definitive foreign policy, a stance that leaves the rest of the world scratching their (heads) and asking “what’s next..?”, is being played out yet again on foreign soil.

I guess bowing to the sand trash didn’t work….better come up with something better.

Try crawling on your belly like a snake Mr POTUS, you cannot shame yourself and your country any more than you have already.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:34 am

and right on cue, Bud raises the tone

:roll:

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
8:35 am

People are digging up rocks from the pavement to use as weapons.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 2nd, 2011
8:36 am

Well, about time it got intrusting. I was awful bored watching thousands of people milling around holding up signs and shaking fists. It was kind of like watching NASCAR without the wrecks or hockey with everybody giving the high-five and trying to keep from running into each other. Now we’re finally going to get some heads cracked open. It might be worth watching.

I would write more but I’m headed straight to the nearest bar to bring in beer and watch the TVs. I wonder how much they paid these pro-Mubarak people to get the TV ratings up.

Have a good Wednesday everybody.

stands for decibels

February 2nd, 2011
8:37 am

Bud raises the tone

I fully expect to hear a slightly cleaned-up version of this from the members our loyal opposition in the House & Senate, today. Emphasis on “slightly.”

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
8:40 am

According to one Egyptian witness, the pro-Mubarak forces “carry large well-made banners – replicas of the banners that are used in the rigged elections, proclaiming for Mubarak.” In other words, this is a well-coordinated counterattack.

carlosgvv

February 2nd, 2011
8:41 am

If worst comes to worst, there will be a free for all uprising, thousands will be killed and a new anti-US Govt. will be put in place. Gas prices will greatly rise, unemployment will skyrocket and there will be much misery. Get ready for a long, hard ride.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 2nd, 2011
8:44 am

I need the “here comes another Islamic theocracy” crowd to ask itself one simple question; from where do these “radicals” originate? how do they come to exist and what events lead them into the “power vaccum”? I think most observers know the answer. in the irony of ironies, some are proferring a passive/aggressive foreign policy. I use the term passive/aggressive because while some suggest Bush sprinkled the seeds of democracy in the Middle East, the very same crowd is now critical of Obama for not “supporting our ally, Mubarak”. and just for sh*ts and giggles, has anyone noted that Iraq under Saddam WAS closer to Egypt, than Iran (not an Islamic theocracy), but since 2003, it is Iran and not “moderate Islam” which has filled the vaccum.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
8:45 am

It’s pretty stunning how quickly all this has played out, and I’m not referring just to this morning’s events. A few weeks ago, the idea that the Mubarak government would be teetering today, along with that of Jordan, Yemen and perhaps others, would have been all but inconceivable.

Joel Edge

February 2nd, 2011
8:47 am

“The military appears to have taken sides by doing nothing”
Jay, if the military takes sides with Mubarak they’re supporting the “repressive regime”. If they support the protesters and the Brotherhood takes control, it’s the end of the military (especially the leadership) as they’ve known it.
The military can’t win this.
I am totally discounting the breakout of a secular, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness kind of western style government. Don’t believe it’s going to happen.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

February 2nd, 2011
8:47 am

Why has the Obama Administration been so vocal regarding the protests in Egypt versus the protests in Iran?

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
8:48 am

There are a lot of people/groups with a vested interest in maintaining at least some of the perquisites of power. They don’t want the gov’t toppled and replaced by a free-for-all vacuum.

Joel Edge

February 2nd, 2011
8:50 am

” replicas of the banners that are used in the rigged elections, proclaiming for Mubarak”
Sounds like they’ve decided to quit listening to us. Gonna fight for it.

Union

February 2nd, 2011
8:51 am

Jay
February 2nd, 2011
8:45 am

“It’s pretty stunning how quickly all this has played out, and I’m not referring just to this morning’s events. A few weeks ago, the idea that the Mubarak government would be teetering today, along with that of Jordan”

youre not the only one.. the obama administration was caught completely off guard as well. odd.. the protesters were referring to mubarak as a pawn of the united states and america.. so where does that put us exactly?

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
8:55 am

“so where does that put us exactly?”

Exactly? On the sidelines, where we should be. This is THEIR issue. It won’t be ours until some kind of resolution is reached.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
8:56 am

“Why has the Obama Administration been so vocal regarding the protests in Egypt versus the protests in Iran?”

I suggest you go read a little history about the US involvement in Iranian politics

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
8:56 am

Um, Jay, haven’t read your column yet, but before I do, I wanted to ask, what is with Luckovich’s cartoon?

Has Palin threatened the groundhog?

Joel Edge

February 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

“so where does that put us exactly?”
SOL

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
8:58 am

Union

“the obama administration was caught completely off guard as well.”

Egypt has a repressive regime with an extensive internal security apparatus. What would have been odd would be our foreseeing this while they didn’t.

But as I see this point made several times, I have to wonder: if we had seen it coming, down to the time and the scope…. so what? What should we have done any differently than we’re now doing?

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
8:59 am

“Has Palin threatened the groundhog?”

I wondered about that too, because someone on the Vent came very close to saying the same thing Luckovich did: “I have a feeling if Phil sees his shadow on Wednesday he may just be shot”

Union

February 2nd, 2011
8:59 am

dog.. you must be one of those people that go shopping without a list. it would be in our best interest to plan ahead for whatever potential issues are going to arise from this issue. “their” issue has the potential to affect us all..

i was not suggesting military intervention or anything of that sort.. but we do need to understand who the “players” are

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
8:59 am

some updates and video above

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
9:00 am

“What should we have done any differently than we’re now doing?”

Nothing different. And anyway, if Obama HAD been more “involved” the only difference to his detractors is that they would then be saying he was interfering in the sovereignty of another country.

Joe the Plutocrat

February 2nd, 2011
9:01 am

Bud Wiser, thanks for corroberating my 8:44. American HAS NEVER HAD A DEFINITIVE FOREIGN POLICY, beyond propping up leaders who support US corporate interests, OR more often than not, eliminating leaders whose “interests” do not match ours (and by ours I mean the plutocracy, not We the People). the whole enterprise (pun intended) is sprinkled with words like “democracy” “human rights” and “freedom” but our “foreign policy” is merely the projection and furtherance of our domestic interests. we can debate the wisdom of such policy, but to ignore the turd in the punch bowl, or to view this as some sort of Obama is bad, Bush was good nonsense is, as I noted on Monday, almost “Orwellian” (two good, four legs bad). and if you don’t like George Orwell, try George Washington. in his farewell address he watrned of the the consequences of alliances. ; “’tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances with any portion of the foreign world…” as valid and prescient in the 1790’s as the 1990’s (and beyond)

finn mccool

February 2nd, 2011
9:03 am

Downright embarrassing the americans or america is somehow responsible for every democratic revolution.

Arrogant basteds

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
9:03 am

““their” issue has the potential to affect us all.. ”

When did I every say it didn’t? But that still doesn’t mean that there is anything we should be doing “about” it. It’s still their issue, and their’s to resolved. At THIS POINT all we can do is wait and see how it plays out. We’ll have to deal with the aftermath no matter what happens or who is in charge in the end. Once we know that, THEN we can “deal” with it.

“i was not suggesting military intervention or anything of that sort.. but we do need to understand who the “players” are”

And we are in the process of learning that now. Just as THEY are, also.

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:03 am

I was watching all this unfold this morning — my mouth dropped when I saw the guys storm in on horses and camels — how bizarre. I was thinking “and what century is this?”

Anywho, sudden change always seems to bring out the worst in people — I think most people do not like sudden change which is why we have the Senate for one thing. The House are supposed to be the hot-headed “revolutionary” types, with the Senate as being more level headed (as seen during Clinton’s impeachment). But it all has to start somewhere, and even here in our country we see violence and hate speech when people perceive that things are not the same or to their own liking, so it seems this is human nature.

One Nation Under educated

February 2nd, 2011
9:04 am

“Mr POTUS, you cannot shame yourself and your country any more than you have already.”

This might have credibility of my 1-yr-olds baby poop if you had written it 3 years ago, also. Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat humiliated this entire nation for 50 years.

And my hobby continues – we’re up to 971 – count em – 971 references on Fox to some form of the stupid phrase..

“…will Obama…let..the Muslim brotherhood…”
(with the obligatory Fox question mark)
or my fav “…Obama…and….the Muslim brotherhood…”

Is almost like Fox is deliberately trying to make the Bitters think he’s the grand poobah of the MB. Now that would be unethical, irresponsible, and might incite another hood-wearer to action. If any wingnut on here has an ounce of decency, they would be shamed by this chicanery. Uh-huh

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:04 am

Union

dog? American Idol wasn’t on this week, was it?

“you must be one of those people that go shopping without a list.”

A list means you know what’s coming. Again, to my question: even if we had seen unrest of this scope coming, would we have known what’s coming any more than we do now? And would we have done anything differently than we’re now doing?

Frankly, seems nothing more than an opportunity to levy a criticism at the administration.

Union

February 2nd, 2011
9:05 am

paul.. this was a civil uprising.. not one put on by the govt. humint should have had this covered. to not get something this big is a sign of some very bad things..

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
9:05 am

“I was thinking “and what century is this?” ”

Mounted riders are very effective at crowd control. Just ask the NY police mounted patrol.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
9:05 am

Mohamed ElBaradei: This is “a criminal act done by a criminal regime”.

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:05 am

Union

Clarification: would we have known what’s coming //once events kicked off// any more than we do now?

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
9:06 am

“not one put on by the govt. humint should have had this covered”

yeah, SOMEONE should have known that Tunisian vendor was going to set himself on fire and “spark” all of this.

stands for decibels

February 2nd, 2011
9:06 am

I have to wonder: if we had seen it coming, down to the time and the scope…. so what? What should we have done any differently than we’re now doing?

You got me. Maybe counseled the military to keep a tighter lid on their supplies of spare uniforms?

(that’s if you believe that the military actually had them stolen by the pro-Mubarak secret police, as opposed to simply handing them out and saying “this never happened…”)

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/88c7739a-2e00-11e0-a49d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1Co3wAk7p

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:07 am

Paul – 8:58 – zackly

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:07 am

Joe

“American HAS NEVER HAD A DEFINITIVE FOREIGN POLICY,”

Quite an assertion covering a couple hundred years…..

Bosch – not a good t-shirt slogan, I think -

Union

February 2nd, 2011
9:08 am

@ paul.. yes.. very much so… thats one of the reasons that issue like panama played out like they did.. intelligence was interwoven with locals who basically stated what they intended to do if we did something.

there is no need to attack this administration.. they themselves are constantly pointing out how incompetent they are.. why should we pile on?

Joel Edge

February 2nd, 2011
9:09 am

“What should we have done any differently than we’re now doing?”
Get the TransCanada pipeline in high gear.
Restart drilling in the gulf.
Up production of bio-diesel by any means possible.
Oughta be a golden age for “green energy”. I figure this is gonna spread, and I don’t have Mr. Trumps optimism.

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:09 am

” you must be one of those people that go shopping without a list”

Who shops with a list? How weird.

(hehehehe….j/k Union)

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:11 am

Paul – 9:07 – regarding the “definitive” US foreign policy, I was reminded of a quote by Groucho Marx –

“Those are my my principles. If you don’t like them, I’ve got others”

Joel Edge

February 2nd, 2011
9:13 am

“Those are my my principles. If you don’t like them, I’ve got others”

Priceless. Gotta go.

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:13 am

Bravo Paul! Bravo! (wild raucous applause)

Doggone,

“Just ask the NY police mounted patrol.”

Yeah, but you don’t see them riding in with swords a swirling….. :-)

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:15 am

Union

I think it’s more the nature of these events that sometimes it hits critical mass and just launches. Things go along for decades and fester, then … boom. Rather like a pressure cooker with a relief valve slowly getting clogged.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:16 am

Bosch – 9:13 – not now, you don’t … but in the good-old-days, before political correctness, Miranda and “innocent until proven guilty”, that was a different story.

;-)

WTF

February 2nd, 2011
9:16 am

Leave it to the Egyptians to take away air time from the Super Bowl.

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:17 am

Does that groundhog have a bodyguard?

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
9:17 am

In the midst of this, Fox News interviewing Mitch McConnell on health care repeal?

Really?

Shouldn’t they be asking him about Egypt?

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:19 am

“Frankly, seems nothing more than an opportunity to levy a criticism at the administration.”

Of course it is — that’s a given. Obama can do no right. Their criticisms are actually becoming quite passe’.

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:20 am

Joel 9:09

Okay, you’re gone, but to use that as a springboard…

We had the Iranian revolution, the embargo of the 70 and did essentially nothing to get off foreign oil.

Now this.

Say what you will, from the time he took office, this president has made nonpetroleum energy efforts a hallmark of his administration. And it was done in advance of any crisis.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
9:21 am

Of course, switch back to CNN and they’re doing the Midwest snowstorm.

Jefferson

February 2nd, 2011
9:22 am

So Egypt is going to be run by Muslims, BFD.

Peadawg

February 2nd, 2011
9:22 am

“Shouldn’t they be asking him about Egypt?” – They would except they don’t even know where Egypt is, remember? :) Or have you not seen the picture, Jay?

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
9:24 am

“Yeah, but you don’t see them riding in with swords a swirling”

Nope, they use batons

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:24 am

Paul is my hero today. Just saying.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:25 am

Jay – it’s the corollary to “all politics is local” – all media is national

Deep Throat

February 2nd, 2011
9:26 am

Jay your continue to be so bias ! You want to criticize Fox News AND McConnell, but no mention of your Oblunder in Chief remaining silent. With your continued bias one can not take you serious.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:28 am

watching Sky news – you know, it would be a lot easier if this protest was shirts and skins so you’d know who is who … just sayin.

Doggone/GA

February 2nd, 2011
9:29 am

“but no mention of your Oblunder in Chief remaining silent”

Might that just possibly be because he HASN’T been silent?

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:29 am

Deep – how has Obama remained silent?

dude, you need to clean out your ears.

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:29 am

“but no mention of your Oblunder in Chief remaining silent. With your continued bias one can not take you serious.”

Really Deep? And you expect anyone to take YOU serious with such comments?

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:30 am

Doggone – i owe you a coke

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:31 am

And Deep, what do YOU think Obama should do? Send in troops? Order Mubarek out? Side with the demonstrators? Which ones?

Do you actually think before you post or are you on “I hate Obama no matter what and anything he does I’ll type he’s an idiot” auto pilot?

Jefferson

February 2nd, 2011
9:31 am

Mitch is as meally mouthed as they come. What a tosser.

Deep Throat

February 2nd, 2011
9:32 am

All blind drunk liberals chirp in ha..ha..ha !

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:32 am

And blind drunk wingnuts can’t answer a question.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
9:33 am

I’m seeing reports that the pro-Mubarak forces have essentially sealed the square, preventing any exit.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:34 am

“Do you actually think before you post or are you on “I hate Obama no matter what and anything he does I’ll type he’s an idiot” auto pilot?”

I know what my money is on …

Deep Throat

February 2nd, 2011
9:35 am

Borsch , I never said he should do anything, but for Jay and his following to attack Fox News and McConnell is a stupid comment, what can McConnell do ?

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:37 am

Jay – Sky is reporting that Pro-Mubarak forces are sealing off the streets, but they say that they don’t seem strong enough to hold any kind of sustained attack.

they’re also reporting that the army is firing warning shots for the first time.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:38 am

they are also reporting that the anti-mubarak forces are trying to get the women and children out of the square, so it’s entirely likely that the pro- forces will take the square this evening.

Jefferson

February 2nd, 2011
9:38 am

Face it, one day as it is happening today, the minorities will become majorities. Majorities bring out the worst in humans.

Jay

February 2nd, 2011
9:39 am

USnUK, watching live twitter feeds from scene, pro-democracy people panicked at being cutoff from escape.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:41 am

jay – no doubt – watching the footage, it looks chaotic

popeye

February 2nd, 2011
9:42 am

“Borsch , I never said he should do anything, but for Jay and his following to attack Fox News and McConnell is a stupid comment, what can McConnell do ?

Deep Throat. This is what Jay wrote…..”In the midst of this, Fox News interviewing Mitch McConnell on health care repeal?

Really?

Shouldn’t they be asking him about Egypt?

Now pray tell where is Jay attacking Mitch McConnell?

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:42 am

” I never said he should do anything”

So, you don’t mind that Obama is silent, just that Jay hasn’t commented on the fact that he is?

BADA BING

February 2nd, 2011
9:44 am

I’d walk a mile to assault a camel.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:44 am

Bosch – 9:42 – but Obama hasn’t been silent, so why should Jay comment on things that aren’t happening.

“and in today’s news, it’s not hailing Spam”

Joe the Plutocrat

February 2nd, 2011
9:45 am

Paul and USinUK, so we’re clear, “definitive” is the key word. we’ve obviously ALWAYS (despite Washington’s warning) had a Foreign Policy, but as I (and Groucho Marx) noted, it is more passive/aggressive than “definitive”. in other words, remember Prof. Venkman (Bill Murray) in Ghostbusters (when he first announced his rule of “never sleeping with possessed women”) then recanted; “…it’s more of a guideline, than a rule…” our foreign policy is and has always been a shell game. and we the People ain’t the one’s moving the shells; we’re the one’s trying to follow the pea under the shell.

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:45 am

Jay

Just got back on after the second power failure of the morning. How are you getting updates? Twitter? I’ve gone thru the networks and CNN and all I get are weather reports.

Normal

February 2nd, 2011
9:45 am

People,
I believe we are about to see a lot of people die on “live” TV. Most of them look very young from where I stand.

Jay I thing you were right on with the Tiananmen Square analagy.

AmVet

February 2nd, 2011
9:46 am

Good morning all.

Bosch touches on the truth, with both parts of that 9:31.

These neo-cons are still pining for the good old days when those paragons of American statesmanship, George, Dick & Karl, would already be plotting regime change based on these unfolding events.

In Indonesia.

But alas, the hate-filled Republican chickenhawks won’t likely get their wishes fulfilled. And shock and awe in Jakarta, which they could and would watch from their favorite comfy chair while inhaling Doritos and Cheese Puffs, will not be forthcoming.

Tell me cons, is it true that your favorite quote is “The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim”?

And as for the insane and irrational BHO loathing, do these cons get up in the morning and find a way to blame the Uppity Muslim for everything?When they have a flat tire – is it the first thought to enter their tiny minds, “That damn Obama!!”

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:47 am

USinUK,

“but Obama hasn’t been silent, so why should Jay comment on things that aren’t happening.”

Well, I know that, and YOU know that, but others seem to live in a different reality.

BADA BING

February 2nd, 2011
9:47 am

Riding camels into a riot? Well, it is Wednesday. You know…Hump Day.

Paul

February 2nd, 2011
9:48 am

Joe

I have a different opinion – wouldn’t refer to adapting circumstance and interests as a ’shell game.’

Bosch

Thanks, but have faith… I’ll be back to normal before you know it!

Del

February 2nd, 2011
9:48 am

“Shouldn’t they be asking him about Egypt.”

Of course not in the midst of this crises Fox News and McConnell shouldn’t get in the way of the White House and the State Department, which they wisely did not do.

Bosch

February 2nd, 2011
9:49 am

Joe,

“it’s more of a guideline, than a rule…” our foreign policy is and has always been a shell game”

As it should be — the world doesn’t operate in black and white and good guys sometimes become bad.

USinUK

February 2nd, 2011
9:52 am

Joe – we’re singing from the same hymnal – things change, regimes change, we try things (like CIA-sponsored overthrows), and find that they usually come back to bite us in the butt, so we try something else …

in fact, I can’t think of any country that has ever had a “definitive” foreign policy that has remained unchanged in more than 200 years