The narcissism of the neo-cons, Egypt edition

“It seems that a democratic revolution is sweeping the Middle East — spurred, I am sure, by American and allied actions in Iraq. (Our chattering classes will never admit this.)
– Jay Nordlinger, National Review

At last count, at least 50 Egyptians have been killed, more than a thousand injured and probably thousands arrested and imprisoned under what must be extremely frightening conditions. They have made those sacrifices and taken those risks for reasons that are very much their own, reasons born out of decades, centuries, even millenia of cruel repression and corruption.

To claim that they are instead taking such risks because they were inspired by the U.S. invasion of Iraq nine years ago is to attempt to rob them of credit for their own bravery. It is an act of theft by people who sit thousands of miles away in perfect safety, trying to boost their own self-regard by wrapping themselves in the courage of others.

– Jay Bookman

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Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 29th, 2011
12:55 pm

The narcissism of the neo-cons

Is that anything like the running of the bulls???

:)

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 29th, 2011
1:02 pm

Hmmmmm… I think I’ve heard that sentiment posted on your blog as well Jay. I’m not sure it’s time to give credit for anything. We don’t know how things are going to turn out, and we don’t know who’s gonna end up behind the wheel in the driver’s seat once the dust settles.

Not all people, countries, or social groups are cut out for open democratic rule. It’s just human nature. There are always going to be A-type personalities that want to push what they think is right onto others, regardless to what the others think.

Only time will tell, and time will tell whether our actions had anything to do with it. Time will also tell that, if we did have something to do with it, whether our actions made things better or made them worse.

N-GA

January 29th, 2011
1:11 pm

I fear the Muslim Brotherhood will come out on top…it is reported that they seem to have the best sense of organization and planning. The democracy factions are fragmented, lacking cohesion and strong leadership.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
1:13 pm

It would appear-amid the chaos, that change is coming to the region. Don’t judge the rioters until you have walked, like an Egyptian, in their shoes.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
1:14 pm

But the new VP has a history of breaking up factions within the Islamic community.

And since he is so young he might be around a while LOL

N-GA

January 29th, 2011
1:14 pm

It’s a bit early to speculate, but if Egypt becomes another Islamic state, then there will be much concern about the Suez Canal. Europe certainly doesn’t want to suddenly have to deal with the significant economic impact of exporting/importing to/from Japan, China, Korea, Malaysia, etc.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
1:17 pm

From Reuters:
“This is the revolution of the people who are hungry, this is the revolution of the people who have no money against those with a lot of money.”

sound familiar?

carlosgvv

January 29th, 2011
1:18 pm

It does seem a revolution is sweeping the Middle East,especially Egypt, but I doubt it will wind up being democratic. More than likely, new fundamentalist Islamic states will emerge out of this and things for us will go from bad to worse. If American and allied actions in Iraq are a motivation for the mobs, that is obviously not something for us to brag about.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 29th, 2011
1:18 pm

N-GA @ 1:11

If they do come out on top, I’m eager to hear Bush get the credit for that outcome.

Joe the Plutocrat

January 29th, 2011
1:19 pm

let me see if I understand. we project a ruthless, mercenary foreign policy, which radicalizes indigenous peoples all over the world (specially the places with lots of petroleum reserves). when our duplicitous and corrupt, corporate-driven policies; which includes a co-dependent relationship with Israel; blows back, the benefactors and profiteers who have endorsed the short sighted policy now spin it as “just as we planned”? this is a sick, inaccurate carry-over, or re-packaging of the revisionist “reagan won the cold war” tripe.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 29th, 2011
1:24 pm

carlosgvv

Amen!!! That’s the outcome I see. Unless there’s a seismic cosmic shift, things are going to end up worse than where they started.

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
1:27 pm

Perhaps we should get that Pennsylvania company to start buying their tear gas grenades from China and then just reroute them to Egypt to save fuel on shipping.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
1:30 pm

Joe@1:19 pm

Then I think we understand it the same way

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
1:33 pm

The economy of Egypt is not based on manufacturing mostly it is in service areas these days. That has left a major portion of the population without a future. Poverty and hunger may be the driving forces behind the current unrest.

It’s all because those poor people made bad choices not to get an education 25 years ago.

Sounds more and more familiar

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
1:58 pm

“The narcissism of the neo-cons, Egypt edition”

Project much, Jay?

Given your proclivity to cherry-pick, why not just title this “The narcissism of A neo-con, Egypt edition”? It would certainly be more accurate.

@@

January 29th, 2011
1:59 pm

So, jay, you would have preferred the “neo-cons” should negotiate with The Muslim Brotherhood? According to Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum, that’s exactly what Obama did in 2009. Is Obama behind this uprising? Is he encouraging the MB….who, by extension is supporting ElBaradei?

CAIRO | When Mohamed ElBaradei, Nobel laureate and former head of the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency, swept back to Egypt in February talking of democratic reform and possibly running for president, he reinvigorated a stagnant political opposition.

A loose coalition of opposition parties and reform movements sprang up with Mr. ElBaradei as the figurehead and began gathering signatures for a seven-point petition calling for democratic reform in Egypt.

Dr. ElBaradei has worked to bring together liberal intellectuals and the outlawed Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood.

Why the Muslim Brotherhood?

I’ll never forget seeing ElBaradei’s support of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize. Said there was no one person more deserving than Obama.

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=112864

So Obama AND ElBaradei see The Muslim Brotherhood as an instrument to bring about a peaceful democracy in Egypt? Let’s hope Egypt’s secularists will see thru the charade.

q1

January 29th, 2011
2:00 pm

This particular column, today goes down as the shortest in history. It does not take a lot to get a lot of comments going. Many times when I get to the end of a column, I have lost my train of thought and do not no what I am reading. I do not think the U.S. gives two hoots about democracy in the middle east, the U.S. wants stability. They want to know that the person they are dealing with is in charge and for more than a couple of days. I think this spreading unrest is the very last thing the U.S. wants. Oil, Oil and more oil that is what the U.S. needs. I would like to see a national day of no one using one drop of oil. A national gasolineless day, where everyone is using alernate transportation.

@@

January 29th, 2011
2:17 pm

The Egyptian police are no longer patrolling the Rafah border crossing into Gaza. Hamas armed men are entering into Egypt and are closely collaborating with the MB. The MB has fully engaged itself in the demonstrations, and they are unsatisfied with the dismissal of the Cabinet. They are insisting on a new Cabinet that does not include members of the ruling National Democratic Party.

Read more: Red Alert: Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood | STRATFOR

It’s also being reported that security forces are in plain clothes, destroying property, giving the impression that protesters are menacing. What’s the MB doing in response? Setting up protective barriers, giving aid in the form of food, beverages and first aid.

Hamas and The Muslim Brotherhood, demonstrating to the people how much “they care”.

Thppbbbpt.

josef nix

January 29th, 2011
2:23 pm

N-GA

January 29th, 2011
1:14 pm

“It’s a bit early to speculate…”

This is the point per se.

JAY adds the closing comment..

” It is an act of theft by people who sit thousands of miles away in perfect safety, trying to boost their own self-regard by wrapping themselves in the courage of others.”

This is equally salient and speaks not just to those of us opining here, but to policy makers as well.

I cannot recall now who said, and I paraphrase, “sometimes history is let off the leash.” This is pretty much what is happening across the Middle East. This is a popular uprising, and popular uprisings are generlly marked by two factors: no one is in control and of those taking to the streets, there are that many reasons for doing so. But the genie has been let out of the bottle. About the only thing we in the outside world can do at present is watch and wait. Act in haste, repent in leisure.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
2:28 pm

Our policy to choose stability over democracy is inconsistent with the Iraq occupation.

We chose a dictator’s stability over democracy in Egypt but not Iraq.

@@

January 29th, 2011
2:30 pm

Scout left this downstairs for you, josef.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYEV0Xo45jA&feature=related

Said he didn’t wanna disrupt what would, otherwise, is a beautiful day.

YIKES!

Back to the pool. I’m sweating (or perspiring as we ladies are said to do) out there.

@@

January 29th, 2011
2:31 pm

Whoops! Replace “is” with “be”.

Jay

January 29th, 2011
2:34 pm

No, Dave R., the plural “neo-cons” is quite appropriate. In addition to Nordlinger, you’ve got the infamous Elliott Abrams in The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012803144.html ) Peter Wehner in the neocon journal Commentary ) http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/388326 ) and no doubt others as well.

@@, to blame — or credit — Obama is no more accurate than blaming or crediting Bush. People don’t sit there in Cairo or Alexandria awaiting word from the United States about what they should do. We are not the center of their existence.

Kamchak

January 29th, 2011
2:38 pm

We are not the center of their existence.

But…but…but…Stratfor said that we are.

josef nix

January 29th, 2011
2:38 pm

@@

Thanks, I think! I won’t go into it here, but it doesn’t come as any great surprise to me…

JAY
Perhaps this might be an appropriate time and place to pass your opinions on Hezbollah and Lebanon…

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
2:40 pm

From downstairs, Mick and Bruno, thanks guys!

It is an act of theft by people who sit thousands of miles away in perfect safety, trying to boost their own self-regard by wrapping themselves in the courage of others.

Superbly said, sir. And sadly, one of the great travesties of the neo-con’s 101st Chairborne. Including the portly pundits and cowardly critics like Mr. Nordlinger.

No wonder the chickenhawks loathe you so, Jay.

Every man gotta right to decide his own destiny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpBtRlfdjc&feature=related

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
2:40 pm

“no doubt others as well”

Wow! paint an entire class of people with three – count ‘em – three sources! And project even further digging the hole even deeper.

Did you ever learn the use of a “qualifier” in journalism school, Jay? As in “some” or “many” or “a few”? Or is it just your goal in life to be as inaccurate as possible and paint all people you disagree with using as broad a brush as possible?

Adam

January 29th, 2011
2:41 pm

Well said, Jay. I really don’t think we can truly understand how those people feel or what they have been going through. Our country is very different, and our culture is very different.

Adam

January 29th, 2011
2:43 pm

Dave R.: 3 sources is plenty enough to show a pattern.

josef nix

January 29th, 2011
2:45 pm

ADAM

Technically speaking, it takes 5 to constitute a pattern…

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
2:50 pm

Grinding poverty and a very dim future for the working class is what they have along with wealth concentrated in the hands of the few and corruption in politics yep, USA east

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
2:53 pm

We have been fighting terrorists in the Middle East for ten years now and that’s Iraq & Afghanistan.

Now suddenly we are responsible for an uprising in Egypt! Not from what I have read. This uprising came shortly after the one in TUNISIA began. After Wikileaks sitrred a lot of animostiy over its declarations, citizens in Tunisia found “the straw that broke the camel’s back” & started riots. The unrest in Egypt followedf. As @@ has mentioned to us, the Muslim BrotherHood knows a golden opportunity when they see it and they work for an Islamic theocracy.

The leaders of Tunisia and Egypt are to blame for these uprisings. They seemed to have stabalized their economics at the expense of their citizens.

Americans are not responsible for every unhappiness in the Middle East as Bookman woujld have us believe..The Israelies are not either. The destruction of present government in both countries is the prime goal of Islamic terror groups. Their goal is to control ME countries who are not run by Islamic fundamentalists. They hope to gather full control..Anti-American propaganda is one they use frequently to hide their own invasive cultism. .

JohnnyReb

January 29th, 2011
2:55 pm

The Obama administration does not have a firm foreign policy, they are all over the board. Contrast the state dinner for China, clearly a dictatorship with well known human righs issues, against the populist revolt in Egypt with Obama tryng to balance on the fence until he can fall safely on the side of history, and it makes you feel all warm and cozy doesn’t it.

To deny Iraqi democracy, as infant and corupt as it may be, had no influence on the Egyptian populist revolt screams of reality denial. If Clinton had been POTUS when Iraq was invaded, you would be struting and crowing.

And lastly, no Reagan did not bring down the Soviet Union single handily, but if you think it would have happened without him, perhaps you should spend your time learning history instead of blabbering.

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
2:58 pm

Oh, and btw, Jay, the other two you cited were nowhere near as willing to credit Bush’s policy as they were citing Bush’s belief that people really do prefer freedom over oppression.

Reading comprehension is your friend, Jay.

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
2:59 pm

“3 sources is plenty enough to show a pattern.”

Adam, reading comprehension is your friend. Maybe you should try it instead of drinking the Bookman Kool-aid some time.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:00 pm

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout

January 27th, 2011
11:09 am
It’s not likely to be forthcoming any time soon from the hater left or be heard in the Obamamedia, but our President Bush and his pro-democracy efforts in the Middle East deserve major credit should Tunisia, Egypt, or others become more free and open countries.

Make it 3 sources and one local poster…

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:07 pm

They are “winning the future” (wtf) for themselves and their children.

The wealthy ’s control of governments is a global problem and they are partying in Switzerland as the people protest in the streets.

Our cons will continue to carry the wealthy water here in our country.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
3:12 pm

getalife@3:07 pm

Our cons will continue to carry the wealthy water here in our country.
———————————–
They can probably use the water to put out the fires in the burning vacant factories after the jobs are shipped to the 3rd world

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
3:13 pm

Make it 3 sources and one local poster
Boy for the lunatic fringe

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:16 pm

“They can probably use the water to put out the fires in the burning vacant factories after the jobs are shipped to the 3rd world.”

You will have to get them to come out under their beds first.

They are scared seeing the Muslims hit the streets to overthrow a dictator.

Poor cons.

retired early

January 29th, 2011
3:17 pm

The well educated Egyptian citizens began this uprising in Egypt. The “tweeter” users began their revolt in Tunisia. This has nothing to do with radical fundamentalist…and everything to do with western influence via our media enlightening these people. I have been expecting those who favored the war in Iraq to take credit for this revolt…which is pure hogwash. Watch now as talk radio begins the propaganda spin. These revolts say just the opposite…that we fought two wars needlessly in an effort to bring democracy to the region…had we simply waited, we would have saved our country from near bankruptcy….and more importantly…the lives of thousands of our brave soldiers.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
3:20 pm

OK getalife,

You go for the fruit vendor starting a national protest and I’ll go for the realization by more information on the excesses of their government.

Could we call it 50/50 ? Your mind seems to work that way.

stands for decibels

January 29th, 2011
3:21 pm

Peeance Freeance, baybee.

World B. Free

January 29th, 2011
3:23 pm

al jazeera is the fox news of the middle east.

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
3:26 pm

“had we simply waited, we would have saved our country from near bankruptcy”

Yeah, as if two wars could even come close to the overspending of Congress. Get a clue.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:27 pm

Dusty,

I posted how it started.

You posted:

Blame wikileaks.

You are wrong.

Admit it.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:28 pm

“Yeah, as if two wars could even come close to the overspending of Congress. Get a clue.”

Yeah, 4 trillion is chump change.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
3:29 pm

Retired Early. 3:17

You antiwar protestors are not inspirational. You have only one view. That any war is needless. That is a blind directive that could be proven wrong by the establishment of our own country.

I abhor the killing of those who fight for us and those of other countries. The killings of genocide minded thugs leading their countries are far worse.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
3:29 pm

NoCom & getalife

Play nice… Not all conservatives are neo-cons. You can’t lump them all in one basket.

The “tweeter” users began their revolt in Tunisia. This has nothing to do with radical fundamentalist…and everything to do with western influence via our media enlightening these people.

You’re both right and wrong. There may indeed be western influence in the initial sparking of the revolution. However, to say that radical Islamic fundamentalist have nothing to do with it, is a tad bit off. They might not be responsible for the initial start-up. If they come in and appear to be siding with the protesters and it is bought hook, line, and sinker by the protesters, we’re in for a world of hurt for the forseeable future.

If radical fundamentalists can establish themselves within the protesters, it’s going to be a long, hard fight to separate them once they are fused into one. One misconception about the fundamentalists that get’s people confused is that, while they are using the words from the Quran to push their message, they’re playing on words that have multiple meanings and are simply emphasizing the meaning they want to push. Therefore, Muslims can not say that the radicals are not speaking true interpretations of Islam, they are just not speaking the ONLY true interpretation of Islam.

@@

January 29th, 2011
3:31 pm

jay:

@@, to blame — or credit — Obama is no more accurate than blaming or crediting Bush.

It was intended as a tongue in cheek comment.

People don’t sit there in Cairo or Alexandria awaiting word from the United States about what they should do. We are not the center of their existence.

Why tell me? Tell it to your left-wingers. They seem to think that EVERYTHING the U.S. does, or has done, justifies the rage throughout the Middle East.

Call it bad judgment or whatever you want. Obama should not have engaged The Muslim Brotherhood under any circumstances.

retired early

January 29th, 2011
3:33 pm

Dave R

Forget the money spent on these wars…what else did we sacrifice in these wars. You did not even mention the lives of thousands of our soldiers. I guess they did not matter to you. You want to talk about the budget regardless of the topic of the article.

atlas shrugging

January 29th, 2011
3:33 pm

Do you think we could recall the noble peace price that the great community organizer unjustifibly won. I travel to the middle east for business on a regular basis and the one thing I know for certain is that peace in that region of the world is an unrealistic dream.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:34 pm

“Not all conservatives are neo-cons. You can’t lump them all in one basket.”

They were in the Iraq debate.

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
3:35 pm

Perhaps we should recall those tear gas grenades that were made in the USA.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
3:36 pm

Getalife,

My information came from reading just like yours did. I didn’t make mine up any more than you did. I can’t cite the source I read but believe me, I did not make it up and still don’t doubt it.

Doesn’t matter to me . Fruit vendor or Wikileaks? I don’t think either of them are important now. Whatever lighted the fuse is not important. How it comes OUT is more relevant.

The RushGlenn News Hour

January 29th, 2011
3:38 pm

Dusty can’t do links yet but we’re working on it. Please be patient.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
3:40 pm

getalife

You have a point there….

People don’t sit there in Cairo or Alexandria awaiting word from the United States about what they should do. We are not the center of their existence.

Why tell me? Tell it to your left-wingers. They seem to think that EVERYTHING the U.S. does, or has done, justifies the rage throughout the Middle East.

I think there is a difference between people in the ME waiting to hear a statment from Obama, Bush, Clinton or anybody else versus American troops on the ground engaged in firefights in their countries. It kinda brings that old statement to mind… “Actions speak louder than words”.

Obama should not have engaged The Muslim Brotherhood under any circumstances.

That should be on bumper stickers, t-shirts, and even the scroll bars on every news network.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
3:40 pm

With the widespread poverty in Eqypt the Islamic message of brotherhood is being heard. When a family is starving the first one to offer food is a gift from g0d

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:40 pm

Well Dusty,

I think is important to see where they are coming from and what they are protesting.

Duh.

RW-(the original)

January 29th, 2011
3:41 pm

The situation in Egypt and the very existence of Jay Nordlinger are clearly Sarah Palin’s fault.

/moonbat off

I really don’t think it’s too big a stretch to see that others in your neighborhood have acquired a semblance of freedom and self-determination then after seeing that realizing you too may be able to go after that.

/drive by

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
3:43 pm

Dusty doesn’t do Rush Glen New Hours either. How’s the work going at Dem Headquarters? You seem a bit behind in Congressional membership? Better get to work.

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
3:44 pm

“Yeah, 4 trillion is chump change”

Since it’s less than a third of our debt, it actually is.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:45 pm

I like how the neo cons are still spinning wmd’s in Iraq when the majority consensus is it was a mistake.

Now they are spinning our mistake caused freedom in Tunisia.

Too funny.

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
3:45 pm

“You did not even mention the lives of thousands of our soldiers. I guess they did not matter to you.”

And you could not be more wrong. But then, we expect that of you.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

How’s the work going at Dem Headquarters? You seem a bit behind in Congressional membership? Better get to work.

*Blowing my whistle……

We have an infraction on the play…. Unsportsmanlike conduct… Leading with the helmet… 15 yard penalty… automatic 1st down!!!

That was way, way too funny Dusty. I had to throw a penalty flag on you for that!!

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

“Since it’s less than a third of our debt, it actually is”

Not sure of the value of over a million d ead but factor that into your costs dave.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

Getalife,

If you don’t know what they are protesting in Egypt, you do need to read some more. Good luck!!

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:50 pm

Tell me Dusty.

Why are they hitting the streets.

I am all ears.

Dave R.

January 29th, 2011
3:51 pm

“Not sure of the value of over a million d ead but factor that into your costs dave.”

I’d like to see you substantiate the million dead, getalife.

And since retiredds was bring up bankrupting our country, the number of dead aren’t part of that particular conversation.

stands for decibels

January 29th, 2011
3:51 pm

I disagree with this.

“Clearly, the best next step is a 150,000 person US occupation of Egypt so we can write their constitution, figure out who their interim leader should be, and then spend 10 years training security forces.

Also mercenaries. Lots and lots of mercenaries.”

He’s forgotten about the tax cuts that will be needed to pay for it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
3:52 pm

Obama only wanted to visit the Brotherhood to see if any of his muslim Kenyan cousins were in town.

:-)

Kamchak

January 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

The words out….everyone is free to use it…..even trailer park trash.

Oy to the vey — there’s your sign.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
3:55 pm

Can’t offer that with a blow-up pool, now can I?

Only if you own one of these:

http://www.poolsinflatable.com/ellipse_pool_28×12x48.html

or

http://www.poolsinflatable.com/frame_set_16×32x52_ultra.html

(IS&WH)

The RushGlenn News Hour

January 29th, 2011
3:55 pm

How’s the work going at Dem Headquarters? You seem a bit behind in Congressional membership? Better get to work.

We wouldn’t want to see that blame finger point toward a Republican now would we. So it is actually a wise move by Republicans to keep a few Democrats around for that purpose.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
3:56 pm

“I’d like to see you substantiate the million dead, getalife”.

Well, they are still getting blown up so the totals are not final yet but:

“We don’t do body counts” General Franks.

@@

January 29th, 2011
3:57 pm

Dipsh*t:

Except for my 3:47, have you ever seen me use “trailer park trash” to refer to anyone? No you haven’t. It’s your side that does that.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
3:58 pm

SoCo @ 3:47

PENALTY!! Come on!! I’m gonna make a touchdown yet (if getalife would stop tackling me before kick off ) !!!

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
3:58 pm

America simply cannot trust Republicans with the lives of our troops anymore.

Not until a handful of their “leadership” (term used VERY loosely) actually serves in a uniform other than this one…

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVGw8_PBsQeP0GOlPzx00LAIZc7mGe_YHt8swzScXFlJ-fDcuLKA&t=1

Cleaning up all those palm leaves also takes time…

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-6331698478232_2138_80695640

The RushGlenn News Hour

January 29th, 2011
3:59 pm

Trailer Park Trash is welcome at @@’s. Where do you live. I’ll be right over. Can I bring the rest of the folks. It’s a big park. How big is your pool. Do you have any beer.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
4:00 pm

Dusty

As a ref, it appeared as though you were on defense at that particular moment. I must say, that was one nasty hit thought…. I’d give it a 15 on a 10-pt scale. :)

I’m still laughing about it.

@@

January 29th, 2011
4:02 pm

SoCo:

Had I had one of these as a child, I would’a really been something.

A slide? Now THAT would’ve been something to brag about.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
4:02 pm

I have the cover on our pool and “trailer park trash” are allowed if they look good in a thong bikini.

ingleburt humperdink

January 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

I’ll give conservatives credit, just adds to all the blood on their hands.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
4:05 pm

@@

The slide is the killer. Put’s it way over the top. As a kid, I would have been happy with one of these myself.

Soames

January 29th, 2011
4:06 pm

Maybe we can send the Westboro Baptist nuts over there to fight for the Egpytian government.

America isn’t the only country in the world to meddle in Middle Eastern affairs but we are pretty good at it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
4:08 pm

AMVET sometimes you give them too much credit LOL

They seem to be great at starting crap and then no follow through (Mission accomplished)

Bob Barker

January 29th, 2011
4:09 pm

Show me..

“I’ll give conservatives credit, just adds to all the blood on their hands.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-OkHz2Lmy0

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
4:11 pm

Thank you, SoCo. 4:00….
As ’tis said “It isn’t whether you win or lose but how you play the game”. Aww but I want to win!!! You can be my referee any time!!

Nevertheless… en garde!.I must make this point clear right now.
I DO NOT OWN A SWIMMING POOL. Not concrete. Not blow up. Not a lilypad one. Not even a gold fish bowl.

Just wanted you to know that I play this game fairly…

@@

January 29th, 2011
4:12 pm

SoCo:

Isn’t that a bathtub?

Moderate Line

January 29th, 2011
4:12 pm

To claim that they are instead taking such risks because they were inspired by the U.S. invasion of Iraq nine years ago is to attempt to rob them of credit for their own bravery
++++
I don’t agree that the Iraq Invasion spurred on the present events in Egypt but I am not sure how believing such could rob the Egyptians of getting credit for their bravery. Peter the Great transform Russia based on the ideas of the enlightenment which were developed in Western Europe. Does that make him less brave or intelligent because they were not his own?

I guess the goal is to find something negative to say about necon and then find some rationalization for it.

Soames

January 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

BTW – Americans can’t trust Democrats with the military either. We’re still in Afghanistan…hell, we sent more troops.

Keep your heads buried in the partisan cat box. I hear it smells nice down there.

Knees in the breeze. It’s too nice outside to be on the computer.

Bob Barker

January 29th, 2011
4:14 pm

LOL @ Dusty!!

@@

When you add soap and a bath cloth, yes, it’s a bath tub. When you put it outside for frolicking and playing, it could be a pool. Only pool growing up was the public pool. I didn’t even have a little plastic kiddie pool.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
4:15 pm

Guess I should have changed out of my gameshow host suit. :)

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
4:16 pm

getalife, somewhere back there…

Did not mean to neglect you.

THEY are rioting because they do not like armadillos. Now, are you satisfied? I bet you don’t even have a swimming pool. Just a bikini.

@@

January 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

Does anyone here recall Ayman al-Zawahiri’s birthplace?

Egypt.

retired early

January 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

Dusty

In a perfect world the UN would fulfill it’s mandate and oust these repressive regimes, But we know that won’t happen. Absent that…America cannot do it alone…nor should we. The Iraq war was mistake on many levels. The country had no WMA’s like North Korea…but they certainly had oil. So, if the war was for National Security, as stated…why did we not go to N Korea instead…why…because it was about our ‘economic’ interest in the region. We are infidels…what we would call demons to these Muslims, so when we stepped foot on their sacred holy land…to save them from their dictator we were not welcomed or thanked for our aid because we violated their sacred ground. They cannot accept a demon coming to their aid… it is humiliating in their culture. They don’t trust demons…who have self serving reasons for their help. Our history in the Arab world, where we overthrew a democratically elected president…not friendly to the US,,,with a fundamentalist dictator back in the 70’s in Iran…to supporting Saddam with weapons and foreign aid, then, when he scared the Saudis…we manufactured reasons to take him out on their behalf…inspired the most radical muslims to declare war or jihad against us. So, no they don’t trust us…with good reason…and we sure as hell can’t claim responsibility via the Iraq war in inspiring these revolts now taking place.

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

I’m waiting until I get my latest History book from Texas before I decide who to credit with what.

Kamchak

January 29th, 2011
4:21 pm

Southern Comfort — ineligible game show show host down field 15 yds.

First down!

getalife

January 29th, 2011
4:21 pm

“THEY are rioting because they do not like armadillos. Now, are you satisfied? I bet you don’t even have a swimming pool. Just a bikini.”

We can always count on Dusty for being wrong.

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
4:28 pm

I’m waiting until I get my latest History book from Texas before I decide who to credit with what.

Too funny…

Taxpayer, I have a friend who works for one of the big contractors in Iraq. She’s been there for several years and was was home over the holidays, and I asked her about the situation there. She is pretty pragmatic about it.

She avers that once we leave “for good”, that place is going to slide right back into murdering madness. And she is a dead red Republican.

Updated Country Joe and the Fish:

And its one, two, three, what are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn.
Next stop is the desert sand…

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
4:29 pm

Kam

It was either that, or 12 men on the field. :)

ingleburt humperdink

January 29th, 2011
4:29 pm

religious zealots letting off some steam, reminds me of the baggers discussing healthcare at a townhall in anywhere, usa.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
4:33 pm

religious zealots letting off some steam, reminds me of the baggers discussing healthcare at a townhall in anywhere, usa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcCYAA8eGHM

I think there’s a difference between raising your voice and raising a molotov coc*tail.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
4:35 pm

RETIRED EARLY,

Dear heart, you are so brain washed with antiwar material that it is impossible for you to believe anything else. I know it is a fruitless challenge but

President Bush and British PM Blair had information from the CIA & British intel that Saddam was manufacturing wmds. US Congress saw the same info and approved the president’s plan.

There is oil in about every ME country so we did not choose Iraq for its oil. It was WMD. The fact that we did not find them later does not change the fact that Iraq was thought to have wmds.

Now, if you want to twist that all around in your antiwar efforts, no one will stop you. We have freedom of speech and if you are misinformed, you can still speak. I am sure you will. Only it shows how little faith you have in your own country and its government. . Now that is sad.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
4:40 pm

No wmd’s means it was a mistake Dusty.

Can you admit it?

JKL2

January 29th, 2011
4:41 pm

SEIU is just jealous we don’t have that kind of rioting here yet. Not sure if we’ll get there in the next two years, but it is in Obama’s future plans.

retired early

January 29th, 2011
4:45 pm

Amvet

Our troop pullout in Iraq and the resulting madness to follow, predicted by your friend, will surely be repeated in Afghanistan. We don’t need another Vietnam.

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
4:54 pm

retired, clearly the clueless and gutless neo-cons were incapable of seeing the big picture. Yes, George mumbled about democracies in the ME and in Afghanistan, but who other than his guppies, ever swallowed that lunacy?

If the Iraqis and Afghans were serious about “democracy”, they would have, like our Founding Fathers, sworn to each other their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to overthrow and replace their “King Georges”.

They did not. And they have not.

But the Party of Permanent War thinks the proper equation is 80% of the work being done by the US military and 20% by the affected people. Instead of the other way around.

Until that happens, there is no light at the end of the tunnel for those people…

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
4:59 pm

getalife,

It was a mistake by our information agencies. But a mistake is a lot different from saying we went to Iraq just to get oil That is a pure partisan lie by those wishing to lay blame fon our government as if it is an evil invention.

I happen to love this country and its goodness. To point out only its mistakes for partisan politics if nothing else works against the freedom we have so long treasured.

So what’s your next two bits? “Neo cons are narcisstic!” . Before you copy that, maybe you ought to look up the meaning of narcisstic. I don’t think that Bookman did.

Pogo

January 29th, 2011
5:03 pm

Jay, as much as you and those 60’s rebels like you love to glamourize revolution and the anarchy that necessarily comes with it it would benefit you to read the whole story coming from over there. Mom and Pop shops, grocery stores and department stores in Egypt are being looted and robbed by thugs (as are the banks and the Cairo Museum). Once unleashed from whatever societal bonds and rules that people think that they have been oppressed by, people don’t necessarily do the right thing and history proves that they usually don’t. Look no further than our own experience to prove this. The term “desperation” in reference to a society today is a catchall term and it is all too often used by those that embrace anarchy and the chaos it creates in order for them to have an excuse to riot and loot. In America, with our deficit and with the unending printing of money by the Fed, the exact same thing that is happening in the Mid-East today could very well happen to us. Americans today have been taught that they should have what everyone else has regardless of their own contribution to our society. That is the legacy of the progressive/liberal movement. And when the day comes when they find out they can’t have it and the government can’t provide it for them, they will be in the streets looting and robbing as well.

retired early

January 29th, 2011
5:07 pm

Dusty

We had inspectors on site in Iraq looking for WMD’s when they were told to leave prior to our invasion.
Since when does that happen. So you believed that Iraq posed a greater threat to the world than N Korea…who bragged about having nukes…and constantly threatened their use. Also, I have no problem going to war to defend our country but what threat did Iraq pose for the US…none. If Iraq needed to be overthrown…the countries directly threatened should have done the deed…not us. The reason we did…fear of an oil shortage do to the instability of oil producing countries fighting each other. Where did Iraq have the capability of attacking the US.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
5:08 pm

Damn, just when you think you’ve heard it all. In less than a week, the people of Egypt have gone from oppressed people trying to overthrow a dictator to thugs. I’m speechless….

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
5:08 pm

AMVET

“You, too, Brute?” Rip our country and be a good newly turned antiwar protestor. Are the humanist getting to you? Sounds like it. Your baking barrage is getting louder.

We worked on leading Iraq to democracy. If they don’t make it, they still won’t have Saddam. THEY hung him.

Keep dragging along in despondency. The sky is falling and it is all the neocons fault! Yes, sir, and somebody told me that it aint working so that settles it. whoopee!

Relax, AmVet. Go play a little music. It is suppsoed to charm the savage beast. You seem to enjoy it. Try not to bite anyone tonight.

Now, off to dinner.

@@

January 29th, 2011
5:10 pm

Looks like the police and security personnel have taken a leave of absence.

Everywhere in Cairo, soldiers and protesters hugged or snapped pictures together on top of tanks. With the evident consent of the soldiers, protesters had scrawled graffiti denouncing Mr. Mubarak on many of the tanks in downtown Cairo. “This is the revolution of all the people,” read a common slogan. “No, No, Mubarak” was another. In Alexandria, demonstrators took tea to troops.

One crowd cheered and chanted, “The army and the people will purify the country.” And jubilant crowds marched with their fists in the air, many of them carrying Egyptian flags.

On Friday and Saturday there were many signs of Brotherhood members marching and chanting in the crowds. But the throngs — mostly spontaneous — were so large that the Brotherhood’s presence seemed far from dominant. And questions about the Brotherhood amid protesters often produced passionate debates for and against the group and its potential future influence.

Keeping score. Army wins? MB loses?

getalife

January 29th, 2011
5:12 pm

“It was a mistake”

OMG, it is a miracle.

We should learn from our mistakes instead of repeating them.

I think if we are going to pimp our democracy to other countries, we have a lot of work to do to form a better union for all the people and not just the wealthy.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
5:16 pm

retired early,

You were not in the oval office when the CIA told President Bush that Iraq had wmds and they did not like us or anybody else.

You were not in congress when the CIA papers were reviewed by congress. They too decided that Iraq had wmds and did not like us.

Were you in London when PM Blair read reports from British Intel that Iraq had wmds and did not like Americans?

WERE YOU THERE THEN?? NO! You were not. That is when decisions were made. Not at your little antiwar meeting after the fact.

I ‘m gone.

retired early

January 29th, 2011
5:16 pm

Amvet

Dusty comes across rather “hawkish” in his views about war…and still believes the Bush propaganda to this day. Just like Bush, Dick and company…i’ll wager Dusty never wore a military uniform either.
Those are the first to defend going to war…must be just a coincidence…huh

@@

January 29th, 2011
5:22 pm

Getalife:

40% of the Egyptian people are below the poverty line. Do you know how much they make?

$2.00 a day. How much do those below our poverty line make? Here’s a clue:

Values of the poverty thresholds for the years 1980–2009 for families of different sizes are available on the Census Bureau’s Web site. For example, for a four-person family unit with two children, the 2009 poverty threshold is $21,756. For one- or two-person family units, the poverty thresholds differ by age; the 2009 threshold for one individual under age 65 is $11,161, whereas for an individual 65 or over it is $10,289.

Does the Egyptian government offer assistance?

I’m asking ’cause I really don’t know.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
5:28 pm

@@,

I try to keep informed on our government so I do not know.

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
5:31 pm

If we had a poverty threshold like Egypt’s, we wouldn’t need to outsource anything. US corporations would be looking to import people to put to work. The Koch Brothers would think they had died and gone to heaven. Blankfein would declare that his work here on earth is done. The GOP could be disbanded.

@@

January 29th, 2011
5:45 pm

Getalife:

I’ve done some research. The Egyptian government does offer social services but mostly to widows, women and children. Free health care too. If you can work, you’re expected to work…

for $2.00 a day or $730.00 a year.

carlosgvv

January 29th, 2011
5:51 pm

“We are not the center of their existence”

But….but…..but…..We are the leader of the free world. God is always on our side. Everyone wants to be like us. God has told us to make the whole world like us. Please don’t tell me all those “compassionate convervatives” have been lying to me. Oh, the pain, the pain!!!!

getalife

January 29th, 2011
5:51 pm

@@,

“Free health care too.”

Socialism.

Corporate needs some cheap labor.

Adam

January 29th, 2011
5:53 pm

@@: They seem to think that EVERYTHING the U.S. does, or has done, justifies the rage throughout the Middle East.

Where are you getting this from? It’s not our fault they are mad at their own government in Egypt.

Dave R: Since it’s less than a third of our debt, it actually is.

Lame, lame, LAME excuse for your position. You’re defending the indefensible.

Moderate Line: I guess the goal is to find something negative to say about necon and then find some rationalization for it.

That’s only true if the first statements that were made by neocons that started all this were for the sole purpose of saying something POSITIVE about the wars and neocons.

Dusty: Someone, somewhere, lied about WMDs being in Iraq. I don’t care who, the point is that someone did and we paid for that lie in out deficit and in the lives of our soldiers. F*ck whoever did that to this country. Seriously.

Adam

January 29th, 2011
5:53 pm

The Egyptian government does offer social services

OMG THEY ARE A SOCIALIST REGIME. Oh well, the overthrow should work well. They will bring a capitalist democracy to their state and privatize things like that, and that will make it all better.

Kamchak

January 29th, 2011
6:01 pm

Someone, somewhere, lied about WMDs being in Iraq.

Give it up, Adam. The only admission that you’ll get out of that crowd is “honest mistake — besides, we went in Iraq to rid the world of a bad man.”

@@

January 29th, 2011
6:01 pm

Adam:

Where are you getting this from? It’s not our fault they are mad at their own government in Egypt.

Take a deep breath, dude. I was talking about jay’s left-wingers.

What’s got you so bunched up up on a beautiful day the U.S.ofA.?

Are you just looking to argue with someone? Having personal problems, are ‘ya?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:02 pm

To Jay Lafayette:

I hear they need fighters to come over and help them !

@@

January 29th, 2011
6:02 pm

Sheesh! If I’m not dropping words, I’m duplicating words.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

‘They have made those sacrifices and taken those risks for reasons that are very much their own, reasons born out of decades, centuries, even millenia of cruel repression and corruption.’

You know, Moses found himself in the same situation.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

Jay:

You had better hope this doesn’t turn into another Islamic state like Iran did.

If they shut down the canal …………. standby !

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:05 pm

Jay:

” It is an act of theft by people who sit thousands of miles away in perfect safety, trying to boost their own self-regard by wrapping themselves in the courage of others.”

You should know. You’ve never “seen the elephant”.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
6:07 pm

Scout,

You are having flash backs.

Med time.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:16 pm

Jay:

Have you talked to Biden today? You might want to give him a call.

“When asked if Mubarak was a dictator, Biden responded, “Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things and he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interests in the region, Middle East peace efforts, the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing the relationship with Israel … I would not refer to him as a dictator.”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:18 pm

getalife:

So? Am I not entitled to them ?

P.S.

I just took two percocets because my back is killing me. Were you peeking in my window?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

AJC HEADLINE: “Vick pit bulls on road to recovery”

Well, well …………. that’s very nice and infomative.

However, if you’re not too busy, how are our troops in Afghanistan doing today ! ? !

@@

January 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

Adam:

Upon further research, I found that Egypt’s SOCIALIZED health care was a joke. In other words….

it sucked. Not enough doctors or equipment. The Muslim Brotherhood does what they can. I wonder if secularists have to convert before receiving care from The Brotherhood.

getalife

January 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

Scout,

I can’t sleep on percocets.

Good for pain though.

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
6:22 pm

Scout

From the timing of those rapid posts, I would have guessed two Red Bulls before percocets. :)

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:23 pm

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:23 pm

Southern Comfort

LOL ! No, those were three round bursts !

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:25 pm

P.S.

I may not be finished.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:26 pm

Well now, this looks interesting Jay:

“AMMAN, Jordan (AP) – The leader of Jordan’s powerful Muslim Brotherhood warned Saturday that unrest in Egypt will spread across the Mideast and Arabs will topple leaders allied with the United States.”

Southern Comfort

January 29th, 2011
6:27 pm

LOL!!!!!! Nice tight grouping too!!!

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
6:27 pm

What do QE2 (quantitative easing), Wall Street commodity speculators, “hot money,” and neo-liberal globalization have to do with the events in Egypt? Please have a report on my desk Monday morning.

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
6:28 pm

Change that to “events in the Middle East.”

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Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
6:33 pm

Maybe Egypt decided to take those $2 a day jobs and offshore them to China at $.50 a day

:-)

Jack

January 29th, 2011
6:35 pm

Bookman reads National Review? Maybe he finds it refreshing after reading Newsweek. NR ain’t the same since Buckley left.

Adam

January 29th, 2011
6:35 pm

Thank goodness the religious aren’t in charge in our country. They keep trying though.

Moderate Line

January 29th, 2011
6:36 pm

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
4:54 pm

But the Party of Permanent War thinks the proper equation is 80% of the work being done by the US military and 20% by the affected people. Instead of the other way around.
++++
Let’s look at the history of wars in this country and which party was in charge when they started or look at what percetnage of time we are at war with Democrats in controlled vs when Rep are in controlled.

@@

January 29th, 2011
6:37 pm

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
6:38 pm

retired, Dusty and I have reached an understanding. And to her great credit, she has very much moved away from the endless and unprovoked personal insults and nastiness that used to solely define her persona here.

But…she unwaveringly supports the failed and repudiated neo-cons. Which is her right, of course.

She “thinks” I take pleasure in noting the serial failures and moral bankruptcy of the previous administration. and of their policies. I do not. It pains me a great deal to realize that these little men learned absolutely NOTHING from Viet Nam. And that they alone are responsible for the thousands of needless deaths of those men and women of ours.

And I died a little bit each time I read about one of those nearly 5,000 flag-draped coffins coming home.

She has made enormous efforts to convince herself that being anti-war is synonymous with being anti-American. She has made reprehensible slurs about my patriotism. And numerous others here. Though deep down, I suspect that even she doesn’t believe that claptrap.

So ultimately, Bush’s legacy of deadly disasters and unethical governance are immaterial to her. And fact after fact after fact after fact will not dissuade her.

And frankly, that is not the point.

Some are so hopelessly blind that they will never see…

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:38 pm

Southern Comfort:

Headline: “Mummies destroyed in Cairo riots”

Ah ……………………….. nevermind.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 29th, 2011
6:40 pm

Haven’t read all the comments but this is my $.02…..

Hopefully, the Egyptian people will get whatever kind of government that they want, with a minimum of destruction and bloodshed, and hopefully it’ll be a government that we can deal with. That’s a lot to hope for but at this point, that’s about all we can do.

Moderate Line

January 29th, 2011
6:41 pm

Adam

January 29th, 2011
5:53 pm

That’s only true if the first statements that were made by neocons that started all this were for the sole purpose of saying something POSITIVE about the wars and neocons.
+++++
I really not sure what you are trying to say. Both sides are guilty of bashing the other side which as moderate is the point. Neither side has a positive agenda but then again fear sales.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:42 pm

And on another subject:

Headline: “Right’s new weapon: Constitutional force”

The federal lawsuits against last year’s health care overhaul were greeted with eye-rolling and snickers from many conventional legal scholars.

Nobody’s laughing now.

A federal judge in Virginia ruled late last year that a key underpinning of the health care law stretches the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution past the breaking point, while another judge in Florida is expected to rule on Monday. Both cases are likely to proceed toward the Supreme Court.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48301.html#ixzz1CTFt2Xdy

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48301.html#ixzz1CTFbRxIP

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:44 pm

“Moderation: the virtue of those who stand for nothing.”

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
6:44 pm

Moderate line, lets not.

Lets look at what matters most – the last ten years, and the last 5,000+ American deaths, shall we?

Go ahead and tell me how me the neo-cons are not to blame for them. Find some other red herring to explain it all away. Tell us that poor George was just trying to do the “right” thing.

The Party of Permanent War.

You don’t much care for that moniker, do you?

The f&cking change it by electing Republicans who are not slimy never-served, never-will cowards…

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:46 pm

jt

January 29th, 2011
6:48 pm

I stand , in spirit, with all oppressed people. From Alabama, Georgia,and South Carolina to Egypt and the South of Sudan.

Rotten and corrupt governments are everywhere.

Liberty will prevail.

PS. At least Mubarack was an Egyptian citizen. HIS creds were spotless.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
6:51 pm

El Jefe’s new slogan:

“Winning the Future”

How can you win the future if it’s not here yet ?

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
6:52 pm

Could Egypt-style riots and demonstrations break out among the disaffected in this country? It all depends. As long as they have their bread (unemployment, foodstamps) and circuses (The View, Oprah) maybe not. Take those away and it’s anybody’s guess.

Adam

January 29th, 2011
6:55 pm

Dr. Feel: Shut off the internet and people will probably riot somewhere.

@@

January 29th, 2011
6:57 pm

She “thinks” I take pleasure in noting the serial failures and moral bankruptcy of the previous administration. and of their policies. I do not.

Thppbbbpt.

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
6:58 pm

I thought Obama’s handling of Egypt fit perfectly with the Tea Party’s philosophy on foreign policy. So, there should be a lot of happy Tea Partiers out there with pinkies extended. Salute!

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
7:02 pm

“We are not out of work because the economy is bad.
The Economy Is Bad Because We Are Out Of Work”

What a great quote!

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
7:03 pm

Maybe the Egyptians need to start hemp farming along the Nile (like poppies in Afghan.) since they are so close to the European market

:-)

@@

January 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

I thought Obama’s handling of Egypt fit perfectly with the Tea Party’s philosophy on foreign policy

I don’t support Rand Paul’s philosophy on foreign policy. His Dad’s either. The days of living in a vacuum are over. Ain’t no putting the genie back in the bottle.

Even George Soros promotes globalization.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

Dr. Feel :

Nah ! Not unless Rodney King got shot again.

Where is he now? Jail?

Bruno

January 29th, 2011
7:07 pm

It is an act of theft by people who sit thousands of miles away in perfect safety, trying to boost their own self-regard by wrapping themselves in the courage of others.

Though I doubt Jay would ever see it that way, he is just as guilty as those he is pointing fingers at today.

SC–Where’s the flag for “piling on” today???

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
7:07 pm

Egypt recently stopped work on some major construction projects throwing a large portion of the uneducated labor force out of work.
They are now relying on tourism and service related jobs to keep the economy going along with oil related industries.

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
7:09 pm

Record food prices may fan social unrest and fuel inflation beyond North Africa as thousands of people take to the streets of Cairo to denounce President Hosni Mubarak, delegates at the World Economic Forum said.

“This protest won’t end in North Africa; it will spread in many countries because of high unemployment and increasing food prices,” Hamza Alkholi, chairman and chief executive of Saudi Alkholi Group, a holding company investing in industrials and real estate, said in an interview in Davos, Switzerland.

Risks of global instability are rising as governments facing budget crunches cut subsidies that help the poor cope with surging food and fuel costs, the head of the United Nations’ World Food Program said two days ago. World food costs rose to a record in December on higher costs for sugar, grain and oilseeds, the UN reported Jan. 4, contributing to the uprising that ousted Tunisia’s Zine El Abidine Ben Ali on Jan. 14. Protests have spread to Egypt, Algeria, Morocco and Yemen.

Higher commodity prices are “leading to riots, demonstrations and political instability,” Nouriel Roubini, the New York University economics professor who predicted the financial crisis, said on a Davos panel. “It’s really something that can topple regimes, as we have seen in the Middle East.”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
7:09 pm

Headline: “Souvenir condoms rolled out for UK royal wedding”

Ah ……………………… nevermind.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
7:11 pm

Time for chow ……….. !

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
7:13 pm

Blackberries hit with nationwide e-mail outage.

I wonder if they were made in Egypt.

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
7:17 pm

What we are witnessing is the beginning of the end of globalization.

Del

January 29th, 2011
7:17 pm

“The narcissism of neo-cons, Egypt edition.” No one in this country caused what’s now occurring in Egypt and the Middle-East. The weak foreign policy of the Obama administration hasn’t helped and has certainly caused us to appear weak in the eyes of our adversaries but isn’t the cause of what’s now happening. Unfortunately, the United States is no longer looked upon as a world leader, so we can’t do much diplomatically. Obama’s lecturing only falls on deaf ears.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
7:18 pm

While they are rioting over food, let us up the prices for our food every time oil prices rise. We need a food organization like OPEC. Tit for tat.

Jeff Pruett

January 29th, 2011
7:19 pm

Bravo. Well said!

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
7:21 pm

Egypt, the largest importer of wheat was forced to buy this year’s supply from the US (hard wheat) at 10% higher prices as price of the French soft wheat that it usually bought, was even higher. As seen from the graph above the prices that rose sharply in July August have not retreated. It is expected that with the new round of QE2 funds flowing in to the market players through the big banks a further spike of oil and food grains is likely in December -Jan 2011.

Prophetic, huh?

Bruno

January 29th, 2011
7:26 pm

And I died a little bit each time I read about one of those nearly 5,000 flag-draped coffins coming home.

AmVet–I know you are sincere in your anti-war beliefs, and I don’t question your patriotism for holding such a view. I think the reality is that no one is truly pro-war. Unfortunately, given human nature, war will always be with us. To me, it comes down to being on the side with power, or the side without power. Label it as you wish, but I prefer to be on the side with power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5vkDShl00I

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
7:30 pm

Many oil rich countries import food. It is ironic that when OPEC raises the oil price, it affects farmer’s fertilizer costs, fuel for tractors and machinery, and transportation costs. So they are raising their cost for food in the long run.

Del

January 29th, 2011
7:32 pm

Bruno very well said. The time for this nation to pull ourselves together is long over due. Don’t know where the leadership will come from to achieve it, but it’s desperately needed.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
7:34 pm

Let them eat oil.

@@

January 29th, 2011
7:41 pm

Dropped in over at Cynthia’s place and decided to actually read the comments this time. I’ve heard so much about them.

PoliFore has found his way back.

And Dipsh*t? You seem to know a lot about pots and pans. Don’t EVEN tell me what kind of apron you wear.

The lid to your !!??!!saucier!!??!!

What the heck is a saucier….a lid to a pot?

Too funny!!!

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
7:43 pm

Oh my @ 6:39

Will the real AmVet stand up? PLease! He ’s got to be here somewhere. This crybaby, mewling, anti-war, sweet as snuff creature could not be our vitriolic name calling AmVet of previous years. No way.

I have discredited the Humanist Hoopla Group. They have done wonders with AmVet. He now raises the white flag with great pride. He derides the country as all humanist MUST do. He declares his patriotism was questioned when all he did was declare the country a complicit evil failure of dumbo presidents on the way to directed downfall and doom. Now he declares the same in sugary dulcet tones with a halo shining brightly over his beautific smile..

I tell you. Maybe vitriol was better. At least, it was honest.

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
7:44 pm

BADA: part of the problem is that the general populace sees none of the money from the oil (just like here–with the exception of Alaska). They only know that the basic and I do mean basic necessities of life are beyond their reach. Then, they riot.

Jerry

January 29th, 2011
7:47 pm

In the news today Egyptian rioters pulled the heads off of two mummies in the National Museum in Cairo. How that furthers the cause of democracy is a mystery. That’s like whenever the bros here riot over any grievance they feel a need to loot flat screen TVs.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
7:49 pm

What idiots these protesters are for overthrowing governments over food prices. The food shortages will only get worse, and the prices will only get higher when supply lines are interrupted by airport shutdowns, street violence, etc. Aid organizations will stop coming out of safety concerns for their people. Supplies will stop coming in at the docks, and trucks will stop carrying food. The cure is worse than the disease.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
7:56 pm

Will the pyramids and the Sphinx be damaged by the crowds? Napoleon’s soldiers reportedly shot the nose off the Sphinx for target practice. Just destroy your culture, that will show em!

@@

January 29th, 2011
8:02 pm

Totally off topic but for josef if he drops by.

The gay framer and I had a throwdown with Red Velvet Cake. I duplicated my mother-in-law’s recipe with her “Ice Cream Frosting” known to no one but me. No one else asked for her recipes when she passed. I did and won’t share…not even with her daughter. I’ll make it for her, but I won’t share the recipe. It’s an ongoing battle offering years of entertainment.

Anyhoo, he does the traditional cream cheese frosting, which to me, is way beyond too sweet.

He won with the cake. I won with the icing. He won’t give me his cake recipe until I give him my/her “Ice Cream Frosting” recipe. I can tweak my cake recipe to make it better. He doesn’t even know where to begin with the icing.

This is gonna be fun.

I’m thinking a dollop of sour cream…more cocoa, sugar, and oil.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
8:02 pm

BADA BING, 7:56

How does you knows that the Sphinx’s nose was shot off by Napoleon’s men? I heard it was his wife.

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
8:09 pm

Since the 1980s, grain markets have been deregulated under the supervision of the World Bank and US/EU grain surpluses are used systematically to destroy the peasantry and destabilize national food agriculture. In this regard, World Bank lending requires the lifting of trade barriers on imported agricultural staples, leading to the dumping of US/EU grain surpluses onto local market. These and other measures have spearheaded local agricultural producers into bankruptcy.

A “free market” in grain –imposed by the IMF and the World Bank– destroys the peasant economy and undermines “food security”. Malawi and Zimbabwe were once prosperous grain surplus countries, Rwanda was virtually self-sufficient in food until 1990 when the IMF ordered the dumping of EU and US grain surpluses on the domestic market precipitating small farmers into bankruptcy.

Agricultural producers were encouraged to abandon food farming and switch into “high value” export crops. often to the detriment of food self-sufficiency. The high value products as well as the cash crops for export were supported by World Bank loans.

Famines in the age of globalization are the result of policy. Famine is not the consequence of a scarcity of food but in fact quite the opposite: global food surpluses are used to destabilize agricultural production in developing countries.

Del

January 29th, 2011
8:16 pm

What we’re seeing in Egypt could happen here if don’t get our economic house in order. And should that happen, I wouldn’t want to speculate.

Paulo977

January 29th, 2011
8:19 pm

@@@1:59pm
“Dr. ElBaradei has worked to bring together liberal intellectuals and the outlawed Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood.”…So stupid of him to do that when he can get the CIA to bounce them off the face of the planet !! who are they anyway darn “ragheads”!!!!!!

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2011
8:21 pm

Can’t happen here with all the armed citizens willing to shoot to protect that can of beefaroni

@@

January 29th, 2011
8:27 pm

Paulo:

I didn’t like ElBaradei when he was Director General of the IAEA. Has there ever been a guy who flipped and flopped as much as he, when it came to Iran’s nuclear intentions? In my opinion, NO!

No one knew wherein his interests lay.

He was either inept or unreliable…neither of which were good.

I don’t think he stands a chance in Egypt. The majority of citizens see him as somewhat of a carpetbagger. I think they’re right. He seeks only to promote himself.

Amir

January 29th, 2011
8:28 pm

“At last count, at least 50 Egyptians have been killed, more than a thousand injured and probably thousands arrested and imprisoned under what must be extremely frightening conditions.”

The situation appears to be entering a critical new fez.

Dusty

January 29th, 2011
8:31 pm

Common Sense isnt….8:21

I’d match your can of beefaroni with my pound of baloney but my can opener isn’t working. Who’s the beefaroni? I must know before the shots are fired.

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
8:31 pm

Brother B, and I respect your opinion, and treasure your friendship.

Those contrived wars are the one thing that make my blood boil. And as I’ve noted, even as a failed and small man myself, I can never forgive those that sent those boys to their needless deaths. All in the name of some red, white and blue concept, that doesn’t have a damn thing to do with redemption or liberty.

And yes, I use it as an excuse to be a lout. For which I apologize to those who I have offended.

Thanks for the Neil. It helps my heart to hear Tell Me Why.

And for my lovely Joanna, who just rang me up…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9ICCCfK5Rk

@@

January 29th, 2011
8:32 pm

Were Tut’s treasures damaged?–CNBC

Is that like family jewels? I would have thought those shriveled up long ago.

Define damaged.

schnirt

Del

January 29th, 2011
8:33 pm

With the level of unrest going on now in Egypt, anything can happen, including the MB, Hezbollah and El Baradei. They’re linked.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:36 pm

Bruno:

Good words !

…………… and then there is this:

“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”

Dr. Feel

January 29th, 2011
8:41 pm

This commercial came on during one of the playoff games. I can’t remember which one. I really liked it. I hope you do to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha8_QIoB4Ow

Good night.

@@

January 29th, 2011
8:42 pm

I’m waiting for Mubarak to step down. He’d best do it before things get more out of hand. Right now the protesters have placed their confidence in the army.

Everything is in place behind the scenes. A silent coup. He needs to step down NOW.

The army can’t hold things together forever.

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
8:44 pm

What a day!

Filled with the sublime joy of family, brotherhood and sweet friendship. And with the mundane sameness of paying bills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ZXM5aaPLk&feature=related

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:46 pm

BADA BING:

Headline: “Egyptians Defy Curfew”

I can identify with that. I used to do the same thing with my parents.

Del

January 29th, 2011
8:47 pm

Dr. Feel, Thank you for sharing.

Larry of Arabia

January 29th, 2011
8:50 pm

“At last count … more than a thousand injured”

Some no doubt will require the services of a Cairopractor.

@@

January 29th, 2011
8:53 pm

Dr. Feel:

The video offered solace in a world gone mad. Was reassuring. Thanks.

Del

January 29th, 2011
8:53 pm

It’s likely that differences exist within Egypt’s military and should that cause discipline to break down, which faction will prevail? A reformed secular government or an Islamic theocracy with the imposition of harsh Sharia law?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:53 pm

HEADLINE (CBS) NEW YORK – “There are more than 180 million credit card holders in the United States, according to the Census Bureau, and the concept of credit isn’t going anywhere.

But changes in technology could one day make all that plastic a thing of the past, or at least an alternative payment method, as opposed to one of first resort, observed AOL Consumer Adviser LaToya Drake on “The Early Show on Saturday Morning”:

Apple is rumored to be adding a new level of technology to the next versions of iPhones and iPads that would enable you to make purchases in stores by simply swiping the phone near a reader. The technology is called a Near Field Communication chip, or an NFC chip. It’s a chip inside a smart phone that can be waved in front of a reader and used to pay for things in stores. The thinking is Apple would have direct access to your banking info. It would work the same way you can use your debit card. It would draw the money from your bank account.”

Revelation 13:16-17

“16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:55 pm

Del:

………… and what about the Suez Canal.

Islamic government shuts it down ???

That’s stuff you go to war about …………………..

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
8:56 pm

Mubarack is in DeNile. The whole food crisis is a secret pyramid scheme being carried out on the population.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:57 pm

TaxPayer

January 29th, 2011
8:58 pm

Scout,

You can have a tax cut OR war. Not both.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:59 pm

BADA:

Help me! I’m on the floor laughing so hard !

Scout

January 29th, 2011
8:59 pm

TaxPayer :

True. Priorities.

Del

January 29th, 2011
9:03 pm

Scout, as I understand it, 7% of world commerce passes through the Suez Canal. Should Suez passage be disrupted, which nation or nations would act with military intervention or asked another way, what countries possess rapid deployment capability.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:03 pm

Save the Sphinx, and the relics of a great culture. Where is Indiana Jones when we need him?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:05 pm

THE 1956 SUEZ CANAL CRISIS:

I predict big trouble ahead …………..

The Suez Crisis, also referred to as the Tripartite Aggression was a war fought by Britain, France, and Israel against Egypt beginning on 29 October 1956.

The attack followed Egypt’s decision of 26 July 1956 to nationalize the Suez Canal, after the withdrawal of an offer by Britain and the United States to fund the building of the Aswan Dam, which was partly in response to Egypt recognizing the People’s Republic of China during the height of tensions between China and Taiwan. Britain and France were also strongly opposed to Nasser’s plan to annex the Sudan.

The three allies, especially Israel, were mainly successful in attaining their immediate military objectives, but pressure from the United States and the USSR at the United Nations and elsewhere forced them to withdraw. Britain and France completely failed in their political and strategic aim of controlling the canal. Israel fulfilled some of its objectives, attaining the freedom of navigation through the Straits of Tiran and the pacification of the Egyptian-Israeli border through UNEF.”

Taxpayer:

Like I said, this is the kind of things that nations go to war over.

@@

January 29th, 2011
9:06 pm

Del:

There are some Islamist sympathizers within the military ranks. Mostly junior officers but they’re not actively engaged or vocal. The generals are aware of their presence. If they viewed them as a threat, they would have been ousted by now.

It’s dicey.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:08 pm

BADA:

I’ll bet Mubarack’s “sphinxster” muscle is puckering right now !

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:09 pm

Del:

Probably the same coalition that was put together for Iraq with us leading the way of course.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:10 pm

Internet service is blocked, no Blackberries, and no twittering. Mubarack….”Let My People Text”!

Del

January 29th, 2011
9:11 pm

@@, I’ll admit that I don’t anymore have the Intel clearance to confirm or rebut. I would hope that the administration has deployed intelligence gathering assets in country to make those determinations.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:13 pm

Scout… about your ealier mention Of WTF. I say there will be no WTF (winning the future) while we are LTP (losing the present).

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
9:14 pm

Now our oil prices spike. Of course.

And either way, our petro-chemical based planet spins on.

Though I once believed that HE was the only way, Jesus, for me now, is but one way to peace and understanding. I’ve read the Bible extensively, and I know a great deal of the other related teachings and dogma. And I’ve also read many other great books.

Ah, it’s tough out there, a good muse is hard to find

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F82Q_o3YFA

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:14 pm

BADA:

Let’s all sing together now ……………..

“We shall text agaaaiinnn”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:18 pm

“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me.”

“Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.”

“He that believeth on Me is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already.”

“There is no other other Name under heaven, whereby we must be saved.”

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:18 pm

The Islamic extremists are watching and waiting to see what happens. They are anxious to take advantage of the situation. I guess you could say they are licking their Cheops.

@@

January 29th, 2011
9:22 pm

AmVet:

Though I once believed that HE was the only way, Jesus, for me now, is but one way to peace and understanding.

And ‘ya know what….I and many like me are just fine with that!!!!!! No ridicule…no attacks against who or what YOU choose to follow. Call yourself enlightened. Call yourself superior in knowledge and understanding.

I DON’T CARE!

Del

January 29th, 2011
9:27 pm

Scout@9:18, you and I believe that but we also understand that many do not share that belief and we disavow violence to force anyone to share our belief. Therein lies the difference between Christianity and Islam. Many in this country need to understand that distinct difference.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:28 pm

“A group of tourists was watching the re-enactment of an ancient Egyptian religious ritual. One turned to a nearby local, pointed to the statue that was being praised and asked, “Pardon me, but what was the name of that god?” “Why do you ask?” the man replied. The tourist shrugged. “Oh, just idol curiosity!”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:28 pm

Del:

Precisely !

godless heathen

January 29th, 2011
9:28 pm

200 posts before someone brought up the strategic implications of an Egyptian meltdown. The Suez Canal. The “West” will not allow the control of the Suez fall into Islamofascist hands.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:30 pm

BADA:

“How does King Tut’s secretary answer his calls? “He can’t talk right now, he’s all wrapped up.”

“What do you get if you cross an Egyptian mummy and a car mechanic? Toot and Car Man.”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:31 pm

godless heathen :

…………. and who was it ?

@@

January 29th, 2011
9:31 pm

Boy! There is, however, a huge contrast between Scout and I. Scout does what he’s called to do.

I give up.

When our church members were asked to take a test to see wherein our talents lay, mine revealed that I was an exhorter. I never agreed with the outcome. Everyone seemed to think I was wrong in my disagreement.

Let’s just say I lack patience when it comes to people like AmVet. They’ve never encountered the guy.

AmVet

January 29th, 2011
9:32 pm

I hear ya, Scout. I hear ya…

Born a Jew. Born again. Backslider. Post-modern, quasi-Buddhist heathen.

You dug that Kenny Chesney, didn’t ya?

There troubled with snow covered peaks
Till the end of time
We know you’re a daughter of eve
And a friend of mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9jEcfHq6v4

Kamchak

January 29th, 2011
9:33 pm

Dropped in over at Cynthia’s place…

Yep, I knew you would.

In fact, I predicted your behavior about 10 hours ago.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:34 pm

Scout…do you know what Caesar liked the most about Cleopatra? Her nice Nefertitis.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:34 pm

Hummmmmmmmm ………………

HEADLINE: “Egypt blames U.S. for fomenting uprising”

The plot thickens !

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:37 pm

Scout… if I wanted to take a ship through the Suez canal, would I have to go through the proper channels?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:38 pm

AmVet:

The Bible teaches that if you were truly “born again”, that no matter how bad things get there is no power in the universe (including satan himself) that can undo it. You are SEALED by the Holy Spirit.

Remember the prodigal son? He got himself into a big mess ……….. but he was always a “son”.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:38 pm

BADA:

You’re killing me !

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:40 pm

King Tut’s favorite movie……”Mummy Dearest”

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:41 pm

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:42 pm

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:44 pm

BADA:

HA ! HA ! HA !

This one is halarious !!

شش لقي كنز قال: كويس فاضل الخريطة !!

@@

January 29th, 2011
9:45 pm

D:

I’m shortening your name ’cause I’m tired of reaching for the asterisk.

What were you doing at Cynthia’s when you said this?

The trolls here are the same ones that are a JB’s, they are merely using more sock-puppets Most, if not all of the troll comments here are made by 3-5 different individual.

Pot meet “saucier”.

Paulo977

January 29th, 2011
9:46 pm

@@ …”No one knew wherein his interests lay.
He was either inept or unreliable…neither of which were good.” Oh I guess you knew! Come on be objective for once!

@@

January 29th, 2011
9:46 pm

Kamchak

January 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

I’m out.

Toodles.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

Scout….My ancient language skills are kind of rusty. Just exactly why did a camel and Cleopara walk into a bar?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:52 pm

BADA:

What type of music do mummies prefer?

Wrap music !

Del

January 29th, 2011
9:53 pm

Off to a Red Box movie. For a buck per copy I don’t see Blockbuster hanging around much longer. Y’all sleep well this evening.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:53 pm

I’m not clear on the punch line. Is it “and Cleopatra replied, One Hump or two”?

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:54 pm

BADA:

If a QT clerk in Cairo gives you less change than what you are owed, what has he done?

Egypted you !

Scout

January 29th, 2011
9:55 pm

BADA :

Yes, that was the joke in Arabic writing !

How coincidental.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:57 pm

Scout…that was a terrible joke. King Tut is rolling over in his tomb!

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
9:58 pm

Scout…I thought mummies preferred sheet music.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
10:04 pm

Scout… your Arabic writing was not a joke, it was a recipe for hummis.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
10:05 pm

NEWS ALERT ………… NEWS ALERT …………… NEWS ALERT ……………… NEWS ALERT ……..

Riots have broken out in Cairo, Georgia !

Scout

January 29th, 2011
10:06 pm

BADA BING:

Oh ……………. nevermind.

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
10:07 pm

What about Memphis, Tennesee Scout?

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
10:07 pm

Scout…save our syrup!

BADA BING

January 29th, 2011
10:10 pm

continued tomorrow, time for the news.

Lil' Barry Bailout

January 29th, 2011
10:59 pm

Sorry Jay and other Bush haters, but this is PRECISELY what our President Bush had in mind when he insisted on staying in Iraq. A large stable democracy in the heart of the middle east was going to have an echo. This is it. I doubt that President Bush gives a damn how hard you haters try to deny his legacy. Some things are not about you.

Losers.

Scout

January 29th, 2011
11:10 pm

BADA BING:

…………… and Alexandria, Virginia !

Bush's Iraq legacy

January 29th, 2011
11:25 pm

Bush’s Iraq legacy resides in the cemetaries

Fred

January 29th, 2011
11:33 pm

Scout throwing down with the jocularity tonight. Sweet.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
12:03 am

Thanks Fred.

At least someone other than BADA appreciates my hard work …………….. :o

Scout

January 30th, 2011
12:04 am

BADA BING

January 30th, 2011
12:07 am

Scout, fun ain’t work

BADA BING

January 30th, 2011
12:07 am

Scout

January 30th, 2011
12:55 am

A few minutes ago I watched Saturday Night Live with horror as a cast member portrayed President Mubarak and mimicked his Arabic/English speech. Surely the Arabic community and the Liberal press will demand an apology from the actor, SNL and the Network.

Rush – are you listening? Let’s see if there is a tumult here like there was over your mimicking of the Chinese or will the old double standard prevail ?

MiltonMan

January 30th, 2011
7:45 am

Jay, the November elections still gnawing at you?

TaxPayer

January 30th, 2011
8:12 am

Kingston gets a lesson in science. He’s living proof that Georgia’s education system has failed him.

stands for decibels

January 30th, 2011
8:43 am

from TP’s link:

During an appearance on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Mahr” on Friday night, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) stated clearly that he does not believe in the process of evolution.

“I believe I came from God, not from a monkey so the answer is no,” he said, laughing, when asked if he subscribes to the theory. Later in the segment he added, “I don’t believe that a creature crawled out of the sea and became a human being one day.”

According to a Gallup poll released last month, 40 percent of Americans believe God is responsible for creating human life in its current form roughly 10,000 years ago.

Another one for the “oy, we are so well and truly [bleep]ed…” file.

stands for decibels

January 30th, 2011
8:46 am

It’s not so much that people chose to believe that God made us peeps 10,000 years ago. You want to believe that, fine.

It’s that next step–to allow yourself to flat-out lie about what modern science says, to characterize it as “evolving from monkeys” and that absurd straw-man about how we “crawled out of the sea and became a human being in one day.”

Nobody is that stupid. It’s just lying, and last I checked,most every belief system, including Kingston’s, supposedly frowns upon that.

stands for decibels

January 30th, 2011
8:47 am

back to the topic at hand–is Al Jazeera still considered wholly evil by the American right?

if so I guess they’ll be ok with this…

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/201113085252994161.html

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
8:49 am

Georgia’s Constitution that only provides funding for a public school monopoly education is living proof of why it has failed and continues to fail so far too many.

Do wonder though if Comrade Jay knows the definition of a Neo-Con according to the founder of the Neo-Conservative movement, Irving Kristol?

Suffice it to say, in the case of Neo-Cons the muggers haven’t finished the job of mugging those Liberals.

deegee

January 30th, 2011
9:00 am

Remember how the neocons celebrated the purple finger salute after the first Iraqi elections? They had no idea that the purple finger was a vengeful Shia call to arms for the purpose of ridding the country of the Sunni minority. Ain’t middle east democracy great?

@@

January 30th, 2011
9:09 am

Paulo:

@@ …”No one knew wherein his interests lay.
He was either inept or unreliable…neither of which were good.” Oh I guess you knew! Come on be objective for once!

Does Iran promote world peace? No!

Is Iran closer to developing nuclear weapons? Yes!

The prosecution rests.

Now shhhhh, don’t breathe. I do believe the situation in Egypt have reached a turning point.

@@

January 30th, 2011
9:10 am

“has” instead of “have”.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:10 am

Ain’t middle east democracy great?

Only if you consider a Sheria(Religious) Republic great.

That is why the founders of this country gave the “middle finger” of the 1st amendment to any establishment of a Religious Democracy or Republic.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
9:13 am

Remember how the neocons celebrated the purple finger salute after the first Iraqi elections?

Yeah, that was vengeful… Kinda like Mike Vick’s middle finger salute in the GA Dome. :)

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
9:14 am

That is why the founders of this country gave the “middle finger” of the 1st amendment to any establishment of a Religious Democracy or Republic.

You may want to explain that to the select group that appears intent on resetting this country to a theocracy.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:25 am

Oh I have and continue to do so, though, it is actually the “select groups” (plural) mono and polytheist whether divine or humanist. Notwithstanding, the “inalienable rights” of every individual – et al the Declaration of Independence.

The people in the middle east as any other people collectively, have the inalienable right to choose the form of government that they are willing to live under and have serve them in determine their destiny. However, it doesn’t mean I’d embrace it.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:35 am

BTW, per my last comment, for this reason(despite my faith) I’d never vote to elect someone like Mike Huckabee to office. Those who serve the call of filling a “church pulpit” should not fill the “bully pulpit”.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
9:39 am

deegee:

And remember the new Iraqi Constitution says, “Nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam” and after winning that war we let them put that in.

Basically, because of that phrase there IS NO Constitution !

Scout

January 30th, 2011
9:44 am

Michael H. Smith :

Just for the record, President Garfield was also a minister.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:57 am

the tenets of Islam we let them put that in?

What other choice did or do we have when our Declaration of Independence has clearly established the inalienable right of the individual in self-determination to collectively choose their form of governance and to grant that government whatever powers they deem fit, as to live under?

How dare we declare before the eyes of a candid world our rights to then only deny the witnesses thereof these same Declared Rights endowed upon all of humanity by the authority of the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God unto their creator?

No government, person or persons can revoke these Rights for no government or person(s) gave them to us.

Paulo977

January 30th, 2011
9:59 am

@@ ….Does Iran promote world peace? No!

“Is Iran closer to developing nuclear weapons? Yes”…Guess you are so much more qualified than Dr.ElBaradei on these matters that the UN really ought to appoint you to bring about World Peace !!!!

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:59 am

Scout, he would not have received my vote either.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
10:00 am

Scout

I don’t think that one phrase means that THEIR Constitution is not a Constitution. It does not have to mirror ours to be designated a Constitution. If that’s how they want their government set up and run, then that’s the way they want it. We can’t decide what’s best for them, it’s incumbent upon them to figure that out.

@@

January 30th, 2011
10:06 am

If, as it’s being reported, the looters have been allowed to escape from prisons…

With an almost non-existent police presence, an air of lawlessness has fallen upon the country with gangs and thieves raiding homes and stores, making off with TVs, bottles of alcohol, and sofas and tables from casinos.

where are they gonna plug up those TVs? Where are they gonna put those sofas and tables? I know where the alcohol’s going. Some of those doing the looting are plain clothes security personnel and police. I’m assuming they have homes where they can park their booty. But the convicts?

Tea Party Meber

January 30th, 2011
10:07 am

So mr Bookman I suppose U suport the terrorits

deegee

January 30th, 2011
10:07 am

And apparently Jay Nordlinger, our distinguished editorial writer from the National Review doesn’t understand the power of social media among Egypt’s young population.

Tea Party Meber

January 30th, 2011
10:12 am

If they were christans and beleived in God they would not have these trubles. Howmany christans nations rise up against there leaders? none. Nuff said!

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@@

January 30th, 2011
10:29 am

Ooooooo, I see sunflowers!

Is that you, AmVet? U IS FLUFFY!!!

schnirt

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
10:30 am

Nothing like the silliness of tomfoolery when invalid arguments fail.

Dr. Feel

January 30th, 2011
10:33 am

In the chaos, fury and smoke gripping Egypt, the bigger picture remains ever important. The regime of Hosni Mubarak is a brutal police state deserving popular overthrow to bring about long-overdue democracy and social justice, with the end of routine and pervasive human rights violations and that state’s criminal collusion with the US-sponsored Israeli occupation of Palestinian land. Nevertheless, the US and other Western governments continue to back Mubarak – a fact that should be to these governments’ shame and condemnation. Western governments may eventually have to save face by shoving Mubarak aside to be replaced with another, more palatable puppet. But one thing is for sure: if Egypt’s protest movement keeps pushing for deep and meaningful democratic change (revolution) – inspiring other countries in the region to do likewise – that will be a step too far for the puppet masters in Washington and their ilk. So, to that end, cue more dirty tricks and false flags just in case anti-democracy violence has to be ramped up in order to make “Egypt safe”. And on that score, the Egyptian regime will be able to count on the expertise of Western secret services and the mainstream media for a helping hand.

@@

January 30th, 2011
10:45 am

Supporters of the monitored hardline Islamic group Hizb-ut-Tahrir protested on the streets of London following the uprising in Egypt.

Crowds lined the pavements near the Egyptian embassy in London with banners calling for khilafah, or the Islamic way of life.

Peaceful protesters including doctors and students also gathered outside the Egyptian embassy in Mayfair to support the demonstrations in Cairo.

Organisers said they had a permit to hold the protest and did not want to be linked to Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

Rafik Bedair, 36, a doctor from Manchester, said: “Our point is to show some solidarity with the people demonstrating in Egypt.

“We’re calling for Mubarak to go for people to get their freedom. The speech yesterday was just an extension of the promises we have been hearing for the past 30 years.”

http://www.forfardispatch.co.uk/news/islamic_group_protests_over_egypt_1_1144180

Kewl! Drawing a line of distinction between themselves and the hardliners.

What I found encouraging about Egypt’s uprising is that Christians AND Muslims are working together. Christians have offered to create a barricade around mosques so that Muslims could worship in peace. Haven’t heard whether Muslims have offered the same.

Not saying they haven’t, just saying I haven’t heard of such.

Dr. Feel

January 30th, 2011
10:46 am

Washington sees the various local and national conflicts in the Middle East as part of a battle for regional hegemony between the U.S. and Iran. If this is true, the U.S. is losing. That is because it has stubbornly held onto Middle East policies that were shaped for the Cold War. The security environment in the region has changed dramatically since then. Iran has shown itself agile enough to align itself with rising new forces that enjoy the support of millions. The U.S., meanwhile, remains allied with countries and forces that looked strong 30 or 40 years ago but no longer are.

Iran is betting on Hizbullah, Hamas, and Shiite parties in Iraq. These are popular forces that win elections. Hizbullah emerged as the heroic champion of resistance to Israel’s 2006 invasion of Lebanon, winning the admiration of Arabs, not only for itself but also for its Iranian backers. Many Arabs also admire Hamas for its refusal to bow to Israeli power in Gaza.

Pro-Iran forces have also scored major gains in Iraq. They effectively control the Iraqi government, and their most incendiary leader, Moqtada al-Sadr, recently returned to a hero’s welcome after an extended stay in Iran. By invading Iraq in 2003, and removing Saddam Hussein from power, the U.S. handed Iraq to Iran on a platter. Now Iran is completing the consolidation of its position in Baghdad.

Whom does America bet on to counter these rising forces? The same friends it has been betting on for decades: Mubarak’s pharaonic regime in Egypt, Mahmoud Abbas and his Palestinian Authority, the Saudi monarchy, and increasingly radical politicians in Israel. It is no wonder that Iran’s power is rising as the American-imposed order begins to crumble.

The U.S. keeps Mubarak in power—it gave his regime $1.5 billion in aid last year—mainly because he supports America’s pro-Israel policies, especially by helping Israel maintain its stranglehold on Gaza. It supports Abbas for the same reason: he is seen as willing to compromise with Israel, and therefore a desirable negotiating partner. This was confirmed, to Abbas’s great embarrassment, by WikiLeaks cables that show how eager he has been to meet Israeli demands, even collaborating with Israeli security forces to arrest Palestinians he dislikes. American support for Mubarak and Abbas continues, although neither man is in power with any figment of legality; Mubarak brazenly stage-manages elections, and Abbas has ruled by decree since his term of office expired in 2009.

@@

January 30th, 2011
10:49 am

Is there a “tomfoolery” posting here?

Tom

January 30th, 2011
10:50 am

Tea Party Meber

January 30th, 2011
10:51 am

How dare you mock the christan life and values.

Dr. Feel

January 30th, 2011
10:54 am

The U.S. has long sought to block democracy in the Arab world, fearing that it would lead to the emergence of Islamist regimes. Remarkably, however, the Tunisian revolution does not seem to be heading that way, nor have Islamist leaders tried to guide protests in Egypt. Perhaps watching the intensifying repression imposed by mullahs in Iran has led many Muslims to rethink the value of propelling clerics to power.

Even if democratic regimes in the Middle East are not fundamentalist, however, they will firmly oppose U.S. policy toward Israel. The intimate U.S.-Israel relationship guarantees that many Muslims around the world will continue to see the U.S. as an enabler of evil. Despite America’s sins in the Middle East, however, many Muslims still admire the U.S. They see its leaders as profoundly mistaken in their unconditional support of Israel, but envy what the U.S. has accomplished and want some version of American freedom and prosperity for themselves. This suggests that it is not too late for the U.S. to reset its policy toward the region in ways that would take new realities into account.

Accepting that Arabs have the right to elect their own leaders means accepting the rise of governments that do not share America’s pro-Israel militancy. This is the dilemma Washington now faces. Never has it been clearer that the U.S. needs to reassess its long-term Middle East strategy. It needs new approaches and new partners. Listening more closely to Turkey, the closest U.S. ally in the Muslim Middle East, would be a good start. A wise second step would be a reversal of policy toward Iran, from confrontation to a genuine search for compromise. Yet pathologies in American politics, fed by emotions that prevent cool assessment of national interest, continue to paralyze the U.S. diplomatic imagination. Even this month’s eruptions may not be enough to rouse Washington from its self-defeating slumber.

Dr. Feel

January 30th, 2011
11:07 am

“The reflex action of the imperial powers is to further arm and support the oppressive regimes, as well as the potential to organize a destabilization through covert operations or open warfare (as is being done in Yemen),” writes Marshall. “The alternative is to undertake a strategy of “democratization” in which Western NGOs, aid agencies and civil society organizations establish strong contacts and relationships with the domestic civil society in these regions and nations. The objective of this strategy is to organize, fund and help direct the domestic civil society to produce a democratic system made in the image of the West, and thus maintain continuity in the international hierarchy. Essentially, the project of “democratization” implies creating the outward visible constructs of a democratic state (multi-party elections, active civil society, “independent” media, etc) and yet maintain continuity in subservience to the World Bank, IMF, multinational corporations and Western powers.”

—Vice President Joe Biden

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
11:08 am

Is there a “tomfoolery” posting here?

Only in content or rather the lack thereof?

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:10 am

Dr. Feel Good:

Remarkably, however, the Tunisian revolution does not seem to be heading that way, nor have Islamist leaders tried to guide protests in Egypt.

Are you sure about ^^^ that?

Tunisian Islamists show strength at chief’s return

(Reuters) – Thousands of Tunisians turned out on Sunday to welcome home an Islamist leader whose return from 22 years of exile indicated that his party would emerge as a major force in Tunisia after the ousting of its president.

A handful of secularists turned up at the airport to demonstrate against the party, holding up a placard reading: “No Islamism, no theocracy, no Sharia and no stupidity!”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/30/us-tunisia-idUSTRE70J0IG20110130?pageNumber=1

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:12 am

Oops! Drop the “Good”, Dr.

Wowsers

January 30th, 2011
11:14 am

Why don’t we rewind/reset because it is painfully obvious that most of the posters on this board are bunch of f’n know nothings and armchair experts on whatever poltical subject is the flavor of the week. Pompous windbags, most of you. Do us all a favor and jump in front of the next Marta bus you see.

Tom Foolery

January 30th, 2011
11:15 am

All this makes me wonder: would your average Egyptian smoker walk a mile for a Camel?

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
11:17 am

The US does not have enough money to throw at the ME to manipulate a region rich with oil.

Our offers of aid will be rejected or accepted without gains on our part. My hope for the entire ME is that the people are tired of the hardliners and will elect moderates that can somewhat liberalize their countries.
If that can be done western countries will see an opportunity to invest in the region.
Egypt will be a turning point for the US in the region good or bad.

RW-(the original)

January 30th, 2011
11:17 am

@@,

If you really want to know what the writer thinks about all that stuff Feel is posting you’ll need to go to Newsweek and ask the real writer.

Average Egyptian Smoker

January 30th, 2011
11:17 am

I have walked a mile for a Camel.

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:18 am

would your average Egyptian smoker walk a mile for a Camel?

If a Camel is a water pipe.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
11:19 am

Nothing like the silliness of tomfoolery when invalid arguments fail.

:shock:

Where there’s tomfoolery, shenanigans are sure to follow….

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:19 am

RW:

Another plagiarist!!??!!

DANG!

RW-(the original)

January 30th, 2011
11:21 am

Another plagiarist!!??!!

It would appear so.

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:22 am

RW:

‘Ya know, I’m thinking the reason Biden plagiarized is because his “own words” don’t fare too well.

(IW&SH)

Shenanigans

January 30th, 2011
11:22 am

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
11:25 am

SoCo

How many Egyptians came through security last night
:-)

Dr. Feel

January 30th, 2011
11:25 am

@@ & RW: in the future I will post attribution.

The Dude abides

January 30th, 2011
11:26 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phFd-Kgd7rg

Russia Today has several videos of the riots in Egypt. Pretty scary stuff.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
11:27 am

Shena Nigans are you still stalking Tom Foolery?

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:28 am

Dr.:

Be sure to italicize as well. Wanna clear differential between your words and theirs.

Shenanigans

January 30th, 2011
11:28 am

Dr. Faux – In the future, we will all ignore your comments.

Shenanigans

January 30th, 2011
11:29 am

I’ve given up on that quest :) g’day

quick

January 30th, 2011
11:30 am

It is amazing the depth on this blog of almost any topic…and by some of the same experts of all of the other topics….Can we pretend not to know everything, particularly the hearts and minds of people half a world away that are in a situation very few of us can grasp and fewer have experienced

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
11:34 am

NoCom

*putting on my black suit*
That info is classified. 8)

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
11:37 am

liberalize?

Oh heavens forbid they should become like us here in the good ole socialist over-regulated U.S.S.A . Perhaps they’d be better off somewhat enlightened.

Of course, then we’d be in for a real tough time once they told us in the now “liberalized U.S.S.A.” that if we find it unacceptable to use our own so-called environmentally unfriendly resources to supply our own now politically corrected energy needs, instead of dirtying up their region of the world while spilling their blood to do it, that we’d no longer enjoy such liberties to serve all of our WTF moments?

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
11:37 am

It is amazing the depth on this blog of almost any topic…and by some of the same experts of all of the other topics….Can we pretend not to know everything,

It’s not as much as knowing everything. The things that you don’t know too much about can be aided by http://www.google.com or some other search engine. Those same search engines can be used to find first-hand accounts of people’s thoughts and feelings who are actually experiencing those events in real time.

It’s not that people post here as some kind of SME (Subject Matter Expert) on any and all topics. We’re all just curious enough to actually research and read up on different things to be able to discuss them.

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:38 am

quick:

Can we pretend not to know everything, particularly the hearts and minds of people half a world away that are in a situation very few of us can grasp and fewer have experienced

Many of jay’s left-wingers feel as though they’re experiencing the same economic oppression as Egyptians. One has only to read ‘em to “believe ‘em”.

X Spurt

January 30th, 2011
11:40 am

Just a drip under pressure

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
11:42 am

SoCo

Putting on a black suit?

Church or work?

Classified? Ok how many H1b’s and L1’s then LOL

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
11:44 am

Research hell. BS I just make things up

:-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
11:49 am

@@

11:38 am

Many of jay’s left-wingers feel as though they’re experiencing the same economic oppression as Egyptians. One has only to read ‘em to “believe ‘em”.
————————

Different oppression but possibly see some of the same poverty.

Jay’s right-wingers are being oppressed by the gov’t and are poverty stricken themselves without the tax cuts they won’t be able to eat.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
11:51 am

Putting on a black suit?

Church or work?

8) Work, of course. I can’t hold people down, in good conscience, while I’m at church. :)

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:55 am

Rhetorically speaking, it all sounded great.

“You started off, the very first statement, was ‘consolidation and simplification’ that has such a lovely sound,” Sundwall said, speaking to the research staff. “What disturbed me were the various surveys and cost estimates. Tens of millions more to consolidate and simplify? Is there not someway that we can link the potential savings of this improved data system without slapping them right in the face with we need $45 million more to get the savings down the road?”

In reality, not so…

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48392.html#ixzz1CY8vXRYT

@@

January 30th, 2011
11:58 am

Common Sense:

My withholding is in protest to Washington’s spending. I could eat without the cut.

Them first….then come talk to me.

killerj

January 30th, 2011
11:59 am

it only gets worse,2012,world war three?

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
12:00 pm

I can’t hold people down, in good conscience, while I’m at church

Help! help! I’m being repressed. Come see the violence inherent in the system!

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
12:00 pm

Them first….then come talk to me

I AGREE with that totally

quick

January 30th, 2011
12:00 pm

SoCo…really? A couple hours on Google is all it takes to become well versed in anything completely unfamilar…how does one filter out the millions of unqualified opinions from the few accurate ones, muchless from our own personal biais?
An expert opinion can only be presented by an expert, not from someone who has been in the same room as one!…I’ll at least admit that I know enough to know I don’t!

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
12:03 pm

it only gets worse,2012,world war three?

What did NostradumbAss say?

Trey

January 30th, 2011
12:04 pm

“The narcissism of the neo-cons”

Pot meet kettle.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
12:06 pm

Uping the ante, @@

Just cut the physical size, scope of power and spending abilities of the federal government to the original Constitution mandates and you socialist liberals can even tax the evil rich.

Go ahead, end my oppression :lol:

@@

January 30th, 2011
12:07 pm

Common Sense:

I’m not talking insignificant cuts either. I’m talking a minimum of 20% across the board. Anything above that would be music to my ears–saying they’re willing to go the extra mile.

Granted, I’m not Egyptian, but WERE I they

Profile: Omar Suleiman

I’d go with Suleiman in the interim.

It’s outside for me. The weather is too perfect to pass up.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
12:08 pm

The expert opinions I have read have missed the mark many times. So who is the expert.

We come from many backgrounds and experiences on this blog, our Opinions have sometimes (not always) come from personal experience and research (along with our biases).

All one has to say to get a response from SoCo is to say WAREAGLE

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
12:10 pm

@@

Have a good day in the sun by the pool and have the maid bring a gin and tonic LOL

@@

January 30th, 2011
12:10 pm

Michael:

Just cut the physical size, scope of power and spending abilities of the federal government to the original Constitution mandates…

PERFECT!!!! But let’s face it….perfection doesn’t exist in the real world.

I’m out.

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
12:11 pm

Billary’s State Department is at a loss for words on Egypt because she wants the job Obama has made a mess of. In any event, Obama will pick Green Bay in the Super Bowl and of course, because of that, they will lose. Then Mubarak and his associates will flee the country to spend his billions in London on good food and such.

That guy, a good friend of Iran, the former UN Nuclear Inspector, will take over with the Muslim Brotherhood as his close affiliates. The country will crater economically. To keep people from focusing on their now, even worse conditions, Israel and the USA will be blamed. The peace treaty with Israel will be canceled. There will be talk of war. Next, Jordan and Yemen, and then Saudi Arabia will break out in riots and chaos. They will stumble badly as oil rigs are blown up. Oil will rise to $150 a barrel, maybe more.

The world will spin out of control as they realize that the big cop, America, is not there to restore order. George Bush will be blamed. But then, the great one, Obama, will go to the Middle East amid the oohs and aahs of the world media who will sprinkle flower petals before him. He will look and sound pretty awesome as he promises the moon and other wonderful feel good “hope and change” things. The world media and the koolaid drinkers will rejoice at his words.

The Repubs will cave and give them some money, but less than Obama wants. In his speech, Obama will call for more solar, more wind, more ethanol…as oil becomes unaffordable for many. Repubs will cave on that as well as they are now extremely weakened by this situation. Alas, nothing will come of the Middle East stimulus… windmills will be bought from China and spin endlessly producing enough electricity for a few neighborhood 3D HDTVs. Bush will be blamed again, as that is always a good option… the media will make sure it stays as headlines for months.

Obama will then take a much deserved vacation, possibly two, saying if he just had been given a few billion more, he could have saved the world. He will then campaign as being the only one who can save the world. From 2012 on… to know what will happen, go back and read news articles from 2008 onward.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
12:15 pm

Across the board cuts NEVER work. Some depts are already lean as their individual budgets have been cut through the years others are bloated beyond belief.

The bottom line is how much can be cut before services are affected to totally nonexistent.

Consolidate redundant functions (IT. legal etc).

But since this SHOULD have been done 30 years ago it needs to start with a smaller across the board cut (without backfilling with contractors) and work to the max cut per dept.

Union

January 30th, 2011
12:16 pm

these blogs are just plain d*mn funny at times.. jay and ctucker are so predictable.. one little detail that seems to be left out of the mix was the fact that the obama administration was caught off guard by everything going on over there.. seems that happens a lot on everything up there.. but instead of pointing out the bigger issues.. we play up on this garbage… nice.

Union

January 30th, 2011
12:21 pm

thought for the day.. president obama appoints arne duncan as education secretary cause he did such an awesome job with chicago schools.. rahm emanuel is talking about how the chicago schools are in such bad shape and need to be cleaned up.. wtf?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 30th, 2011
12:32 pm

Well, what with all these calls for a subject expert, I guess I’ll just stop in here for awhile. I think everything would be alright in Egypt if they’d just act like good Christians. You don’t need to riot and kill to get what you want. Just elect good Christian folks and then let them pass laws to make sure you get what you want. For example there’s drunks right now in GA that would love to violate God’s laws on Sunday and go out and buy a bottle of whiskey. If they don’t act the way you want you can put them in prison.

I’m downright sorry to read here there’s people throwing off on the Rev. Huckabee. When we put him in the White House the throwing off will be ending pronto.

Anyhow, I bet there’s a whole bunch of people on this blog that never went to church on this Sabbath. They’ll get what’s coming to them sooner or later.

You all are missing out on a wonderful weekend to be outdoors. Yesterday me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill spent most of the afternoon at Countryland Golf Club. We changed the rules a bit so you never had to putt if your ball was within the length of the flagstick to the hole. We sure made quick work of those greens.

Have a good afternoon everybody. Quit worrying about them Towelheads and get outdoors like @@. Now that I know she’s out by her pool down there in Clayton County and buck-nekkid I might take this guy up on his offer to go for a ride in his plane.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
12:34 pm

A couple hours on Google is all it takes to become well versed in anything completely unfamilar

You’re reading way, way too much into what I said. A few hours is all it takes to be able to discuss something. You’re the one implying that people talk like they’re experts on everything. There’s a broad base of people here who’s experiences gives them a wealth of knowledge to discuss different things.

For example, I’ll join in on economic discussions, but by no means will I present my OPINION as expert testimony because I’m no economic guru. If the topic turns to immigration, then, I’m gonna talk like a S.M.E. because that’s what I do for a living. There’s teachers that blog here, military and war vets, and many other diverse backgrounds. That’s what makes things kinda interesting here. For me, I get kicks from listening to the immigration debates and government worker debates because the wealth of misinformation and misunderstanding in the everyday dialogue has gotten to the point where some believe it as fact.

Even an expert is limited to the breadth and depth of their knowledge. And contrary to popular opinion, experts can sometimes be wrong too.

All one has to say to get a response from SoCo is to say WAREAGLE

Quit scraping your fingernails on the #*%@#*%$ CHALKBOARD!!!! :mad:

:)

barking frog

January 30th, 2011
12:37 pm

SoCo,

I for one, will not say that I know everything, because I realize
somethings are yet undiscovered.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
12:42 pm

BF

Can you loan Dusty a lily pad she says she has no pool or lily pad to sit on during these beautiful days
:-)

deegee

January 30th, 2011
12:45 pm

Certainly a new regime in Egypt will present diplomatic challenges for the U.S., but the fundamental problem is that there is a young population in Egypt that is largely unemployed. It has nothing to do with Iraq or Iran or the U.S. People are bored, they are sick of the corruption and they are hungry. A hungry mob is an angry mob.

barking frog

January 30th, 2011
12:47 pm

Common sense, sorry lily must remain at my pad, I’ve lost
the key to the handcuffs…..

barking frog

January 30th, 2011
12:49 pm

deegee

January 30th, 2011
12:45 pm
————————————————
Sounds like you are describing every major city in the U.S. except
we have unemployment, for a while.

quick

January 30th, 2011
1:17 pm

SoCo – I’ll agree on an elemtary level. As to your point on immigration, many here spuot their or a read opinion as fact only because they agree with it or it supports a specific postition. You noted the misunderstanding and misinformed among your area of expertise, I expect that to be true for all other discussions…Which is okay if the only purpose is to entertain and not educate

Del

January 30th, 2011
1:26 pm

ELBaradei is calling on Mubarak to leave today and appears to be taking a high profile role in the protests. I’ve read reports that the M.B. is supporting ELBaradei. If he gets in power and turns out to be a Muslim Brotherhood puppet, we’re in for a rough ride.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
1:31 pm

frog

I KNOW I don’t know everything, but I am enjoying the pursuit to learn as much as I can.

Southern Comfort (E.O.I.)

January 30th, 2011
1:36 pm

quick

True. That’s why instead of relying on opinion only, I try to dig deeper into the things that I’m really concerned about. If it’s something that I’m not to particular about, I’ll just listen for the most part. However, if somebody says something I think is stupid, I’ll do something silly or respond with something silly. Sometimes, things get heated here and people need to laugh.

quick

January 30th, 2011
1:40 pm

SoCoI “KNOW I don’t know everything, but I am enjoying the pursuit to learn as much as I can”
Funny thing is, the more you learn the more you don’t know :)

I Know(I think)

January 30th, 2011
1:50 pm

I NO everything

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
1:53 pm

SoCo

How are you with Math how many halves make 1?

:-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
2:00 pm

The expert opinions I have read have missed the mark many times. So who is the expert.

Ain’t that the truth?

When they built the tramway in the St Louis Arch, they went to every elevator company in the U.S. and they couldn’t figure out how to do it. Finally they hired a college dropout and he built it combining the principles of a railroad and a ferris wheel. (Source: I saw it on Modern Marvels a few years back). So who was the expert that time?

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
2:01 pm

Common Sense

It doesn’t matter how many halves you have. None of them make a whole, unless you join two of them together. :lol:

quick

January 30th, 2011
2:13 pm

Hillbilly – in that case, there was no expert.
I’d say any SME is right a whole lot more often than not….by definition…Google it ..LOL

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
2:24 pm

quick

I’ve worked with a good many mechanical engineers and electrical engineers. Some of them are smart people and some couldn’t pour piss out of a boot. Like most any other occupation. ;-)

quick

January 30th, 2011
2:32 pm

SME = subject matter expert
but that dosen’t make your comment incorrect….sorry for the confusion

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
2:41 pm

quick

My bad. I misunderstood SME.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
2:42 pm

Kam

Just got to where I could view your 12:00

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
2:46 pm

NoCom

If you don’t like HD’s answer, how about this one. Each individual half makes 1. It is 1 half, after all….

quick @ 1:40

So very true. That’s why I’ve enjoyed my journey so much. Everytime I learn something I didn’t know before, it leads to something else I didn’t know, and then the search starts all over again. :)

Dusty

January 30th, 2011
3:00 pm

Well, there’s always some good news! They caught the pig who wanted to hitchhike on I 75. But the pig is very worried . He was carried to the County Animal Care center which is just across the street from a BIG BARBEQUE eatery. I understand the pig may file suit for porcine discrimination, false arrest and BarBQue intimidation. Stay tuned!

But there is other good news. All you folks worried about too much religion in government, RELAX. My good Lutheran Magzine of that wonderful denomination (and mine of course) reports that there are FIFTEEN Lutherans in the US Congress.

The good news is, five are Rpublicans. The bad news, ten are Democrats. !!! Just kidding, folks. That will be one sound segment in Congress, even if they have to serve lutefisl, sauerkraut and jello!

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
3:12 pm

Dusty

Is that the same one I saw on the news? If it is, those people trying to catch it, had no idea how to catch a pig. You can drive hogs, just like cattle.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
3:13 pm

Dusty

Hate to tell you that you’re wrong on the number of Lutherans in Congress, but you are indeed off by a few. There are 15 Mormons reported in the US Congress, but 26 Lutherans based on research by the Pew Center.

http://pewforum.org/Government/Faith-on-the-Hill–The-Religious-Composition-of-the-112th-Congress.aspx

After reading your post, I got curious about the religious makeup of Congress. Thanks to the Pew Center, now I know. :)

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:18 pm

Southern Comfort and MIchael H. Smith:

Regarding the Iraqi Constitution and the phrase (”nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam”) :

You said: “What other choice did we have …………..” and “We can’t decide what’s best for them, it’s incumbent upon them to figure that out.”

May I apprise you of an historical fact you may not be aware of ?

As you know, we soundly defeated the Japanese during World War II. Prior to that, their government was basically a combination of Emporer worship, the Bushido Code (i.e., Kamakazies), and Shintoism combined with a strong military influence.

After much delay the Japanese interim government submitted a new constitution to General McArthur. He rejected it outright and because of the delay ordered his legal staff (Captains Milo Rowell and Courtney Whitney) to draft a completely new document. He gave them one week.

“The new constitution would not have been written the way it was had MacArthur and his staff allowed Japanese politicians and constitutional experts to resolve the issue as they wished.” (Wikipedia)

It was adopted by the Japanese on May 3, 1947.

Bottom line: IF YOU WHIP SOMEONE’S A** IN A WAR YOU BET YOU SURE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THEM WHAT THEIR NEW CONSTITUTION AND GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO BE !!!! Otherwise, good Americans have died in vain!

Oh by the way, following are just a few of phrases from the Japanese Constitution ……… recognize them?

“Their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness …………… ”

“Involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime, is prohibited.”

“The right of all persons to be secure in their homes, papers and effects ……….. “

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:22 pm

Just in case some of you libs. missed this in the wee hours of the morning:

A few minutes ago I watched Saturday Night Live with horror as a cast member portrayed President Mubarak and mimicked his Arabic/English speech. Surely the Arabic community and the Liberal press will demand an apology from the actor, SNL and the Network.

Rush – are you listening? Let’s see if there is a tumult here like there was over your mimicking of the Chinese or will the old double standard prevail ?

@@

January 30th, 2011
3:29 pm

Report: High rates of early elective delivery at some U.S. hospitals

I always figured it was because doctors had a tee time.

According to Fleischman, large babies aren’t a valid reason for early delivery.

Depends! Is it easier to grasp a softball or a bowling ball…holes notwithstanding?

playing through

BADA BING

January 30th, 2011
3:30 pm

I saw all the tanks in the streets of Cairo. It was nice to see them using the tanks that we paid for with our billion $s that we give them in aid each year.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
3:31 pm

Scout

You’re comparing apples to oranges. We formally declared war against Japan. Did we have a formal declaration against Iraq? When we fought Japan, we fought an army, navy, and airforce who were all uniformed. Did we do battle against a uniformed military in Iraq?

Don’t get me wrong, I understand what you’re trying to say. If we had indeed gone into war against Iraq as we did against Japan, I wouldn’t argue against what you’re saying one bit. However, the two are entirely different when you look at them as a formally declared war. I think we should have helped guide Iraq in forming their new government to make sure it’s strong enough to withstand any infighting and any attempts by Iran to cause instability. However, I think the ultimate decision is up to the Iraqis to determine their fate.

BADA BING

January 30th, 2011
3:36 pm

Mubarak has been in power for 30 years. Just think how big his secret Swiss bank account is.

larry

January 30th, 2011
3:43 pm

Otherwise, good Americans have died in vain!

Actually , they did die in vain. And guess who got most of the rights to the oil . Yep, you guessed it , the Chinese. We had no business over there and we have no business telling them what their constitution should be . Period!! End on discussion.

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
3:45 pm

“If it is, those people trying to catch it, had no idea how to catch a pig. You can drive hogs, just like cattle.”

Try that in the wild where they roam free, Hillbilly Deluxe. And put it on Youtube. I’d like to see that. They are known as one of the smartest animals on the planet for a reason – domestic or otherwise. Now back to real news:

“Former President Jimmy Carter called Egypt’s political unrest and rioting an “earth-shaking event,” the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer reports.”

I feel safer already thanks to Mr. 444 Hostage Days-Fox News Derangement Syndrome Carter. But, unlike Obama, Carter at least did “win” the Nobel Peace Prize with some actual merit and history behind him – for better or for worse.

Leave it to ABC’s Sam Donaldson to praise al Qaeda’s mouthpiece, al Jazeera, this morning:

“May I say just a word — talks about propaganda for Al Jazeera — thank you for what you’re doing. People say Al Jazeera fanned the flames here by bringing the fact that democracy is in existence and that people are being suppressed. That’s what we need; we need more communication in the world. It’s not Al Jazeera’s fault…”

Meanwhile in other news, the hate by the liberal left on Michelle Bachmann is second only to the hate by them on Sarah Palin. Sarah, you should be grateful there is a new target by the liberal left. The SNL skit on the gaffe of Bachmann’s response to the State Of The Union speech was great stuff for example. Then there’s Chris ‘thrilling leg feeling over Obama winning the election’ Matthews who said “only God knows what” she’ll say in the the Union speech response.

Yeah, that same liberal Dem mouthpiece actually tried to blame Bush on the Egypt crisis:

“Leading off tonight: Unrest in Egypt. Proving the Iraq war wasn`t needed, these protests in Egypt, as well as in Yemen and Tunisia, are all aimed at dictators supported by the U.S. The demonstrations have not yet turned anti-American, but they could. These are the events the Bush administration hoped to encourage by lying about weapons of mass destruction and invading Iraq. A live report from Richard Engel at the scene coming up. And we`ll stay on this story throughout the hour as events warrant.”

Never mind the fact that Dems were on the Senate Intelligence Committee and voted to invade Iraq for a second time. But whoever claimed emotion driven liberal media hacks like Matthews ever cared about facts and the truth.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
3:45 pm

I always figured it was because doctors had a tee time.

I figured there was an extra fee involved.

Sort of like when I got an Xray, the Xray tech developed the film, handed it to me, and I delivered it personally, to the doctor, and got a bill from somebody I’d never heard of, for reading the Xray.

Dusty

January 30th, 2011
3:45 pm

HILLBILLY, what do these dogcatchers know? I’m guessing they don’t have too much experience with wee piggies. Seems they caught it with a “catch pole” on the third trip! I myself would have used corn on the cob with butter. Poor piggie. I think his future will not be a bed of roses but a bed of hot coals. Ouch!

SOCO, peewww on the Pew Center. Questioning my Lutheran Magazine!!! But… I think th P’oos went out and counted in some smaller branches of Lutherans .. Nice other folks but not mainstream Lutherans. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA) is the largest group of Lutherans. Due to small differences in their constitutions, there are a few branches. Some started as immigrants from different countries who wanted services in their home languages. They have mostly consolidated now.

The LUTHERAN magazine is published by the ELCA. I’ll have to check on those figures. Wait a minute, WHAT??? That’s what the headline says. US Congress: Fifteen from ELCA..
You got me, SoCo!! Dead in my Lutheran tracks!! I think I will send you some lutefisk in appreciation. It’s a gift you’ll never forget!!

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:46 pm

Southern Comfort:

Couldn’t disagree with you more.

1) We didn’t have a declaration of war in Vietnam either with 58,000+ KIA (more than the Korean War).

2) A declaration of war has nothing to do with it. If you are dead you are dead. Good American lives were wasted because eventually when we are gone that Constitution will take those people back into the dark ages again.

3) Yes, we did battle with Iraqi’s in uniform including the “infamous” Republican (oxymoron) Guard.

4) You don’t “guide” people who are brainwashed religious despots who like to stone women for exercise. You TELL them how it’s going to be.

We’ll have to agree to disagee.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
3:46 pm

Try that in the wild where they roam free, Hillbilly Deluxe.

My Grandpa used to catch wild hogs, bring them home and fatten them up, then kill them and eat them. Lots of folks up here did. Before Youtube, though.

larry

January 30th, 2011
3:47 pm

Besides being quick to tear up, Boehner is also known around Washington as a heavy smoker. When asked why he doesn’t quit, the top House Republican responded sharply that, yes, it’s a bad habit, but that he chooses to smoke.

As far as being asked again and again about his smoking, Boehner says with a smile, “Leave me alone.

Speaks volumes , doesn’t it. Maybe if he would quit, he would not tear up so bad.

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
3:48 pm

“A few minutes ago I watched Saturday Night Live with horror as a cast member portrayed President Mubarak and mimicked his Arabic/English speech. Surely the Arabic community and the Liberal press will demand an apology from the actor, SNL and the Network.”

Scout – when the liberal Dems start denouncing Joe Biden for essentially making fun of Indian nationals running quick marts, then you’ll see the Liberal press start denouncing their own arrogant hypocrisies. But we both know that’s not going to happen. Liberals have two sets of rules for themselves: one for their own ilk and one for everyone else who is not of their ilk.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:48 pm

P.S.

We need some more McArthurs !

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
3:48 pm

Dusty

If it’s the same bunch I saw, they had a cage trap. You can catch nearly anything, in one of those. I’ve caught lots of possums and coons. Possums ain’t real bright but coons are pretty smart. You can catch a coyote in them but that’s pretty hard. You’ve got to disguise it really well.

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
3:49 pm

“Besides being quick to tear up, Boehner is also known around Washington as a heavy smoker. When asked why he doesn’t quit, the top House Republican responded sharply that, yes, it’s a bad habit, but that he chooses to smoke.”

Hey Larry – at least he admits he smokes unlike our dear leader Obama.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:49 pm

jackalcrat:

You’re right. Wishful thinking on my part.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:50 pm

jackalcrat :

Nobody “smokes”.

The cigarette smokes.

The user is just the sucker.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:52 pm

“We do not want to send any message about backing forward or backing back,” Clinton said.

Backing forward?

Ah ……………………….. nevermind.

BADA BING

January 30th, 2011
3:53 pm

Scout, did you see the AJC story about the woman caught on a greyhound bus with 79 THOUSAND ecstacy pills? Worth over a Million$ and she was riding the bus!

Dusty

January 30th, 2011
3:56 pm

JACKALCRAT. 3:45

Don’t even start questioning HillBilly Deluxe about uninhibited piggies. He knows a pig in a poke when he sees one and he’s seen plenty (I think). As a newcomer here, we’ll let you get by this time, Just don’t let it happen again! Viva la piggie’….

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
4:00 pm

LMAO Scout – never thought of smoking that way…kinda like you don’t really take a dump…you *leave* a dump. But whatever….

I’m amused how the Liberal media is not blaming this on Bush and Republicans. Anyone seen their grocery bill lately?

“U.S. grain prices should stay unrelentingly high this year, according to a Reuters poll, the latest sign that the era of cheap food has come to an end. U.S. corn, soybeans and wheat prices — which surged by as much has 50 percent last year and hit their highest levels since mid-2008 — will dip by at most 5 percent by the end of 2011, according to the poll of 16 analysts.”

Time for another vacation for the Obamas.

@@

January 30th, 2011
4:05 pm

Hillbilly:

I delivered it personally

Kinda like passing a kidney stone?

I’m guessing the doctor had a radiologist read the film since neither you nor he were qualified. So what were they lookin’ for….your wallet?

(IW&SH)

Time to cut foodstamps

January 30th, 2011
4:07 pm

the latest sign that the era of cheap food has come to an end.

No more entitlements

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
4:09 pm

Everybody knows HD brought some chickens to trade the Dr.

:-)

Dusty

January 30th, 2011
4:11 pm

Scout, 3:52

Backing forward is a term used with teenagers being taught to drive. It was closely aligned with the demolition of the back wall of numerous garages. It is explained as “I KNOW I had it in reverse and the car suddenly went forward .?”

In politics: We are backing the forward movement of those against the wall.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:14 pm

WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY LOST OUR MINDS !

“Spotsylvania, Va., high school freshman Andrew Mikel has been suspended for the school year and has been placed in a “diversion program” by police for blowing soft plastic pellets through a pen at three classmates.

“I am currently working with the Rutherford Institute, fighting the insane madness of our local school administration and board,” wrote the boy’s father ……………. ”

“In early December, my son shot what amounts to a spitwad. They classified the spit wad as a weapon, expelled my son from school the rest of the year, filed assault charges on him with the sheriff’s department, mandated that he take ’substance-abuse counseling’ and ‘anger-management counseling’ and must do 24 hours of community service.”

Originally suspended for 10 days after the Dec. 10 incident, Andrew later was suspended for the balance of the school year following a Dec. 21 hearing before the Spotsylvania County school board. His criminal charges will be expunged if he completes the diversion program for first-time offenders.

Andrew, an honor student active in Junior ROTC and in his church, has never been in any trouble before, said his father. “He had hoped to go to [the U.S. Naval Academy], but he’s been told his chances of Annapolis were gone because of this.

“He took a plastic pen apart and shot little balls through the body of the pen. The balls are solid, soft plastic, less than a quarter inch in diameter. They’re very light, they weigh one fifth of a gram. You’re lucky if you can get them about four to six feet using a pen to blow them.

Read more: Zero tolerance ‘insane madness’ in Virginia high school http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=256917#ixzz1CYTlxLr0

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:16 pm

BADA BING:

“Scout, did you see the AJC story about the woman caught on a greyhound bus with 79 THOUSAND ecstacy pills? Worth over a Million$ and she was riding the bus!”

Maybe so but I bet she “enjoyed the ride” !

Dusty

January 30th, 2011
4:17 pm

Common Sense, 4:09

If Medicare cuts doctor’s payments any more, the docs would be tickled to get chickens instead..

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:20 pm

P.S.

When I was in school we shot spitwads at the teacher. If you got caught, you stayed after school, got extra homework, a paddling or sent to the principals office for a good lecture.

Remember – some of these kids that are being brainwashed with “zero tolerance” are someday
going to be your police officers and judges. You’ll regret it then.

@@

January 30th, 2011
4:22 pm

“Spotsylvania, Va., high school freshman Andrew Mikel has been suspended for the school year and has been placed in a “diversion program” by police for blowing soft plastic pellets through a pen at three classmates…

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR YOUTH!!??!!

No need to go thru the trouble if ‘ya don’t chew ‘em up first (paper not plastic).

They gotta stick to count.

@@

January 30th, 2011
4:24 pm

The ones that hit and spread out were really cool.

SPLAT!!!

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
4:28 pm

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
4:29 pm

Scout

1) Merely pointing out the difference between war against Japan vs war against Iraq. DId we write Vietnam’s Constitution?

2) A “formal” declaration has everything to do with the differences between Japan and Iraq. If you think otherwise, you’re kidding yourself. WWII was the last formally declared war. SInce then, engagements have been either authorized by Congress or through UN Security Council Resolutions.

3) Initially yes. When we overran Baghdad, they all stripped their uniforms off. That’s not to say that the “insurgents” were not Republican Guard, because that’s exactly who I think the initial insurgents were.

4) As a law enforcement officer, do you take over someone’s family and tell them what to do if you arrest the head of the family for a heinous crime? You don’t like Islam, I get it. Don’t use your prejudices against Islam to force YOUR beliefs onto a group of people who have a differing set of beliefs. If you take up arms to force your belief system on a society that has beliefs you don’t agree with, you are no different than the Taliban.

We definitely have to agree to disagree. I learned early in life that “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” You’re obviously going to drown the horse trying to force him to drink water he has no desire to drink.

btw… How many Constitutions have we written and forced a country to accept since Japan?

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
4:30 pm

I’m guessing the doctor had a radiologist read the film since neither you nor he were qualified.

Actually, it was a kidney stone, and the urologist is emminently qualified to read the Xray. He pops it up on the screen and says, “There it is”. Took him about 5 seconds. I and other members of my family have been through this same procedure, many times. We can pretty well read our own Xrays, now. I still think it’s a racket and has to do with the high cost of medical care today but that’s another story for another day.

@@

January 30th, 2011
4:30 pm

My brother made a little wooden gun for me once. It shot rubber bands.

That was cool too.

Can’t remember how it worked though. Had some kinda release thingy on the back of the gun. He was big into wood shop. Always making stuff for me…a little apostrophe shaped object with the tail reversed. Put the point of the tail on the edge of something, and there it would stay…precariously perched.

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
4:32 pm

…making fun of Indian nationals…

Misrepresent much? Or would you like me to post his exact words?

But this is the dead give away regarding intellectual honesty, or more accurately the lack thereof…

…denouncing their own arrogant hypocrisies. Liberals have two sets of rules for themselves: one for their own ilk and one for everyone else who is not of their ilk.

Heal thyself hypocritical non-physician…

Del

January 30th, 2011
4:33 pm

We used to have BB gun fights when I was a kid. I guess by today’s standards we would have been 8-10 year old’s doing hard time.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
4:33 pm

Until I saw Sooth’s post, I had no idea Lyle Lovett was a Lutheran. I’m thinking he spent some time visiting Baptist churches, to be able to write this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-42NzUuUlLY

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:34 pm

@@:

I also used to play “mumblelypeg” at grammar school with my pocket knife. The teachers would come by at recess and say, “be careful or you’ll stick that in your foot” !

@@

January 30th, 2011
4:38 pm

No twinklers on the 4th of July for my brother and I.

His favorite? Bottle rockets at a “safe” distance and behind cover.

That was wa-a-a-a-y cool!!!!

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:39 pm

Del:

We had BB gun fights but we also made “grenades” !

Recipe:

Take one M-80, “Bulldog” or “Cherry Bomb” and insert into a three inch diameter mud ball.

Surround tightly with tinfoil leaving the fuse exposed.

Light fuse and throw immediately as far as you can toward the “enemy position” !

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
4:39 pm

I feel nekkid if I ain’t toting a pocket knife.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
4:39 pm

My friends I have been away for a while. She swore up and down she was eighteen! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Just kidding! Had to take care of some pressing family business. En garde! you Repugnican’t/Conserviturds I’m coming after you! Run for the woodwork while you still can!

@@

January 30th, 2011
4:42 pm

Boehner: U.S. Will Not Default on Debt, But Congress Will Slash Spending

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/30/boehner-default-debt-congress-slash-spending/#ixzz1CZKFqj00

Boehner’s going after Social Security.

We’ll see.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
4:42 pm

Any of Y’all ever throw a golfball into a fire?

Del

January 30th, 2011
4:43 pm

Scout,

We had plenty of M-80’s and Cherry Bombs but lacked the innovation to come up with your grenade recipe.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:44 pm

Southern Comfort:

1) We didn’t fight South Vietnam. We pulled all troops out and three years later the North Vietnamese overran the country. They are now under a communist government.

2) Disagree

3) “Initially yes” means we did at one time fight Iraqi’s in uniform. We agree.

4) Example not relevant to a war.

btw) To the best of my knowledge, in all conflicts we have been involved in since WWII we have never “conqured” another country except for Iraq – therefore there was no opportunity to set up a form of government as in Japan. I will stand corrected if you can think of one.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:46 pm

Del:

They were very effective. I had one go off against my ankle once …………………. :o

Scout

January 30th, 2011
4:46 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe :

Ah …………………. make that a handgun.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
4:51 pm

The American public have not been told the truth about their retirement system, Social Security: it is already deep in the red.

To fully understand Social Security, we need to strip it out of the Federal Budget. Once upon a time, Social Security’s accounts were separated from the rest of the Federal Budget. Since it is a “pay as you go” retirement system with a surplus designed to fund future shortfalls, that made sense.

Many analysts have noted that incorporating Social Security in a unified budget allowed the Federal government to spend the SSA surpluses over the past 27 years, after SSA was “saved” in 1983 via higher FICA payroll taxes.

In exchange for this $2.6 trillion in cash, SSA was given non-marketable securities, IOUs which as I explain yesterday in The Fraud at the Heart of Social Security are merely markers for actual Treasury bonds which must be sold, and interest must be paid on.

In other words, there is no “trust Fund” or “lockbox”: Social Security is entirely dependent on the Treasury’s sale of new bonds for its own solvency. If interest rates spike and/or global buyers become wary of Treasuries, costs for borrowing will skyrocket, crowding out all other Federal spending.

In case you don’t understand, we have been “robbing” Social Security and issuing “IOUs” for what we have been taking out of SS. Unfortunately, these “IOUs” require the issuance of Treasury Notes to cover these IOUs which means that the original cash contributions made by you and me must now require interest to paid on their replacement.

Great system, huh?

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
5:02 pm

Scout

1) I didn’t mention South Vietnam. You brought Vietnam into the debate as a non-formally declared war. I was simply asking did we write their Constitution. I’m guessing your non answer would be read into the record as a no?

2) Disagreement doesn’t negate the fact that Congress has not formally declared war on anyone since WWII. Since then, all engagements have been funded through resolutions, but not by a formal declaration of war.

3) Yep. I’d even go as far as to say that the Iraqi military was the functioning part of AQ in Iraq. If you look at many of the recent attempts by people trained in their camps, they do not have the appearance of being a “professional” fighting force anymore. To pull off EFP-IEDs took some knowledge of munitions. Prior to Iraq, I don’t recall an instance of AQ using that type of technology.

4) Not relevant to war, ok. I still think you’re using your prejudices against a religion to force your beliefs on a society that does not toe the line of your beliefs.

If I am to believe popular opinion, we didn’t “conquer” Iraq either. The “Idiot Messiah” or “Obozo”, as some here like to call him simply caved and withdrew prematurely.

Dave R.

January 30th, 2011
5:02 pm

“Any of Y’all ever throw a golfball into a fire?”

Throw ‘em in a fire!

I can’t keep them from going in the water! :)

Tiger's Wood

January 30th, 2011
5:08 pm

I can’t keep them from going in the water!

You can’t play golf either, huh.

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:09 pm

depends on the golf ball….yes, i did the experiment

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:11 pm

BTW…the best golf ball ever…the slazenger balata ball….no longer made from what i can tell.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
5:12 pm

We’re going to make our first start at balancing the budget by eliminating all government, except congress’s, pensions and healthcare, including veterans. I’m so happy I could just cry.

Del

January 30th, 2011
5:14 pm

Hillary Clinton says that there should be an orderly transition of government in Egypt so that no one needs to fill a void. Translation… the administration knows that Mubarak can’t remain and they don’t want ELBaradei and the Muslim Brotherhood stepping in to fill an ostensible temporary void that would end up being permanent. A good message that they need to repeat strongly over these next critical hours.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:15 pm

“1. We misjudged then — and we have since — the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries … and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

2. We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience … We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

3. We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

4. Our misjudgments of friend and foe, alike, reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

5. We failed then — and have since — to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces, and doctrine. We failed, as well, to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

6. We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement … before we initiated the action.

7. After the action got under way, and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course … we did not fully explain what was happening, and why we were doing what we did.

8. We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people’s or country’s best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.

9. We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action … should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.
10. We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions … At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.

11. Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.”

—Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
5:16 pm

“Misrepresent much? Or would you like me to post his exact words?”

No, you don’t have to. Here ya go AmVet……..

“I’ve had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking,”

Ha ha.

‘Heal thyself hypocritical non-physicia..”

Damn that truth hurts don’t it?

jackalcrat

January 30th, 2011
5:19 pm

And another thing AmVet…why do you liberals find it fine for people like Geraldine Ferraro perfectly acceptable to say that Obama would not be where he was if he were white?

Like I was saying…….two sets of rules…….

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:21 pm

soothsayer…seriously do you expect anyone to read that?
I read that…Do ya know what I read?…well I read that…Well I read…yeah but I read…do you know what I read…yes but I read this…sure but I read…………..

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:21 pm

jackalcrat: What the fock are you talking about? What the fock does Geraldine Ferraro have to do with anything?

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:23 pm

quick: PLEASE CALL ME WHEN THE DRUGS WHERE OFF! You are incoherent at present.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
5:24 pm

Southern Comfort:

1) I don’t think you understand that South Vietnam was a fully functioning government long before we ever got there, we were there to help them – not conquer them and the North Vietnamese did not invade and take it over until three years after we left.

Therefore, there was no need to draft anyone a constitution. Moot point.

2) War is war.

3) We agree.

4) “The simple unspoken reality is that not all religions are equally good. Some in fact are downright bad. The problem we have as Americans, however, is that our fundamental attachment to tolerance makes it very difficult for us to say this. We typically confuse our absolute adherence to tolerance with relativism. But tolerance in fact is diametrically opposed to relativism. The relativist presumes that all religions and all ideas are equal.

Americans are simply not ready to understand and wrestle with the fact that Islam is not a religion like other religions but is, rather, a theocratic political ideology and movement as well as a religion.”

J.D. Camine

“At the root of the opposition to mosques is the fear that Islam is not just another religion like Christianity or Buddhism or whatever. These fears are well-founded. In fact, Islam is NOT a religion like other religions; and Islamic scholars are the first ones to say so. For example, Yusuf Qaradawi (the most influential Muslim cleric in the world today, the spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood) said: “Islam is not a religion in the common, distorted meaning of the word, confining its scope only to the private life of man. By saying that it is a complete way of life, we mean that it caters for all the fields of human existence. In fact, Islam provides guidance for all walks of life — individual and social, material and moral, economic and political, legal and cultural, national and international.”

This “complete way of life” is the Sharia sacred Islamic law which calls for the legal subordination of non-Moslems to Moslems and of women to men; it requires death for homosexuals, apostates and blasphemers. And, it calls for eternal war (jihad) against non-Moslems until Islamic law dominates throughout the world. These doctrines all come from the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which are preached and taught in every mosque in the world. Mosques are not like churches because mosques are centers for the propagation of sharia law. If Islam is not like other religions, it should not be treated like other religions. If mosques are not like churches and other houses of prayer, then mosques should not be treated like other houses of prayer.

Mosques are centers for the propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology, and they should be treated like other centers for the propagation of supremacist, violent and imperialist ideology, such as the Communist Party, the Nazi Party, or the Christian Identity Movement.”

Author Unknown

5) “If I am to believe popular opinion, we didn’t “conquer” Iraq either. The “Idiot Messiah” or “Obozo”, as some here like to call him simply caved and withdrew prematurely.”

Ah ………………….. we still have a lot of troops there.

Finally, you might find this interesting:

“I have long argued and wondered why our military from senior leaders down to tactical level are so unread and unstudied on Islam, jihad iin Islam, even the topic of terrorism. I have often contrasted this unconscionalbe wartime state of affairs, with the due diligence the US military showed since I was a cadet at West Pooint 30 years ago, where we lived, ate, slept and drank Soviet warfighting doctrine …

Today we are in the process of prosecuting a war, that from the doctrinal perspective, we fundamentally do not understand. We have not studdied Islamic Law and few have seen or heard of even the English translation of it that has been in print for years.

‘Islam is a religion of peace’ is fine for public policy sstatements, but is not and cannot be the point of departure for competent military or intelligence analysis. It is in fact a logical flaw under any professional reseach metholology. You have stated the conclusion before you have done the analysis.”

Lt. Col. Joseph C. Myers
U.S. Army Advisor
Air Command and Staff College

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:26 pm

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:26 pm

sure sooth…Once I’m told my opinion, I’ll get back to ya…fair enough?

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:27 pm

Scout: the South Vietnamese government was simply a puppet regime installed by the U.S. and French governments.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:28 pm

quick: really, man, you’re making a fool of yourself. You’re not making any sense. Get it?

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:30 pm

Oh I get it…..

Del

January 30th, 2011
5:32 pm

Writing Donald Rumsfeld off as a poor Secretary of Defense in recent times is one thing but quoting Robert Strange McNamara after his late life epiphany on Vietnam is a joke. McNamara was a disaster as Defense Secretary. The Vietnam war was lost right back here in the Congress of the United States and not on the battlefield.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
5:35 pm

Dearborn police said Roger Stockham was arraigned Wednesday on one count of making a false report or threat of terrorism and one count of possessing explosives with an unlawful intent. Stockham had a large but undisclosed quantity of class-C fireworks including M-80s, which are outlawed in Michigan, Chief Ronald Haddad said.

I’m so happy I could cry. Where’s my BFF Eric. I need a shoulder to cry on.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:36 pm

“The Vietnam war was lost right back here in the Congress of the United States and not on the battlefield.”

Del: the Vietnam War was lost before we ever set foot in country. A rational analysis of outcomes based on real intelligence would have proved that in advance. Yet, we ignored the experiences of the French in our hubris that somehow we could succeed where they had not.

Adam

January 30th, 2011
5:37 pm

We just had to break out the long quotes lol

If it’s a quote, it must be held in high regard and never questioned!

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
5:42 pm

Scout

January 30th, 2011
3:18 pm

What was done in the course of history or because it has been done previously neither makes it right or makes it in keeping with our own conduct with respects to the inalienable right of self-determination. However, do you draw a parallel between Japan and Iraq or Egypt? How so, the cases are entirely different for neither of these nations bombed the U.S. as did Japan at Perl Harbor?

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:42 pm

If ya can’t say it in 3 sentences…why bother?

Scout

January 30th, 2011
5:44 pm

Soothsayer:

A couple of quick comments and then I must walk by dogs. Be back later:

1) The South Vietnamese government was not perfect but the majority of the South Vietnaese people did not want to live under communism.

How do we know this? They voted with their feet!

Before the North Vietnamese communists closed the DMZ, hundreds of thousands fled to the South. No one fled to the North except a few who had family there who couldn’t leave. The North Vietnamese finally closed the DMZ because they were losing all of their educated people; doctors, lawyers, etc.

Isn’t that always the way it is? People fled North Korea, people fled East Germany, etc., etc.

2) The Viet Cong did not have the favor of the majority of the people and most of what they did have was obtained through terror.

That said, by the end of the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong military and political structure was in essence destroyed. The North Vietnamese wanted this and put them in battles where that would happen. Why? Even communists disagree with each other and the North did not want too many Southern Communists around if their future invasion was successful.

3) I guess McNamara was such a knucklehead that he didn’t know it was an international effort.

Military personnel were there from Korea, Australia, New Zealand , Philippines, Thailand and a couple of others I cannot recall. Maybe Del can help me.

4) South Vietnam was overrun after our troops had been gone for almost three years not by the Viet Cong (they were no longer a force as I mentioned) but by a massive multi-division conventional invasion by the North Vietnamese Army across the DMZ and out of the Central Highlands.

I am proud I served there to help those people and I would do it again.

This quote express my viewpoint. It is from a book on the Vietnam War called “Once a Warrior King” by David Donovan:

“I have the sense from time to time that I am not alone, and I suspect that despite the limited understanding we have of events in distant places, there will always be those among us who have the gleam of the quest in their eyes. They are people of every sex and station and they yearn to be challenged to a cause. They will always be looking for that wrong to right, that ill to cure, that song to sing; and there will always be those who will go to arms in aid of the helpless and the downtrodden. Ignoring the political issues of the moment, these people will champion the weak and the poor in the face of evil and tyranny. And no matter what the outcome, in their romantic hearts they will always keep the secret, if secret it must be, that they are better men for having held the lamp beside the golden door”.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
5:45 pm


And that was the most remarkable thing about the speech: Obama completely reversed the American political calculus of the 1980s and ’90s. He made the Democrats the party of optimism and the Republicans the party of root canal. Someone really should have told Ryan that there isn’t much mileage in comparing the U.S. to Greece or Ireland; it’s a false analogy, in any case. Indeed, the notion of the Republicans having, as their official spokesman, a guy who has proposed making serious cuts to Social Security and Medicare while privatizing both — positions that are opposed by 80% of the American people — is strong evidence that the GOP, in its post-election exuberance, has already lost touch with the public.

I’m so confused I could cry. I need a cigarette. A non-filter Camel will do because I’m so good at blowing smoke up… what, the mic is still on. I’m so happy I could cry.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
5:46 pm

Michael Smith:

Hummmm …………. I wish you had been around in 1861 !

Got to run !

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
5:47 pm

If ya can’t say it in 3 sentences…why bother?

Scout makes me so happy I could cry.

Del

January 30th, 2011
5:48 pm

Soothsayer, There should be no comparison with Francis war against the Viet Minh and our war to stop North Vietnam’s take over of South Vietnam. If you studied the French in Vietnam, where the French were colonists you would know that it’s an apples to oranges comparison. Far different wars, fought differently and yes, we could have won but chose not to.

quick

January 30th, 2011
5:49 pm

I’m not part of your argument

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:51 pm

Scout: as I have said before, let nothing I say diminish your service to your country.

That having been said, the SV govt under Thieu was a brutal dictatorship given to torture and murder. Hated and feared. As for your other three points, I agree. The fact remains, though, that the Vietnam Conflict was, in spite of perceived good intentions, a lost cause from the beginning.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
5:51 pm

We are ready to introduce legislation that would ban the ending of wars. Wars are good for our economy. I’m so happy. I need to cry but I need my BFF, Eric. He has a soft shoulder.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:54 pm

John Bawlner: I see someone left the doors open over at the asylum.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:56 pm

Del: I admit that I am not a student of the French involvement in Vietnam. I simply know that they were not successful.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
5:57 pm

Soothsayer,

Have you seen my BFF, Eric. He Cant Or wont call me any more.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
5:58 pm

JB: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Get some sleep now. You’ll feel much better in the morning.

Del

January 30th, 2011
6:01 pm

Soothsayer, No they were not successful but they fought a different war. In our case we could have won but I don’t know if it would have actually bought us much more than we already have even though we lost it. It was long, it was costly and unfortunately, we didn’t learn the lesson we should have from it.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
6:02 pm

Good night you Repugnican’t/Conserviturds. Just remember, you ruined our country and you are entirely responsible for the sorry state of our economy and all of the the pain, suffering, and misery you have caused!

Don’t stick you heads back out! You never know I might return unexpectedly!

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
6:04 pm

Has anyone seen my other BFF, Mitch. He doesn’t like to be seen in public with me now that my secret about crying all the time is out. I wonder if Sanford will be my new BFF once he gets back from that business trip on the Appalachian Trail. We might have more in common.

quick

January 30th, 2011
6:05 pm

lol…never look internally…it’s everyone else’s fault

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
6:05 pm

Scout

Let’s see if we can sum this up:

1) Moot point from the jump. You brought Vietnam, then South Vietnam into the debate when the original comparison was between Japan/Iraq and formally declared vs non-formally declared war.

2) According to the US Constitution Article 1 Section 8 the power to declare war is reserved to Congress. Under the War Powers Act, that changed a little to where the President can send troops into an engagement, but that is time limited unless Congress authorizes use of military force or declares war. You’re right, war is war. There is a political difference, though, between formally declaring war and authorizing military force.

3) —

4) Judging by actions over the past 20-30 years, Christianity could be described in the same manner in which you describe Islam. When you take the arguments over abortion, gay rights, and other things into account, Christians are trying to push their views on the rest of the US population. It’s all in a person’s perspective. As you view things from a Christian perspective, I’m sure you’re shaking your head in disagreement with what I just typed.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
6:08 pm

Del @ 6:01

Amen!!!

quick

January 30th, 2011
6:09 pm

Blaming Christians…..again?

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
6:13 pm

“The United States wants Mubarak to stay in power, but the people have decided,” Carter said.

Now comes Jimmy – Who Did Nothing – Carter to weigh in on Egypt. Great, may be he can arrange for the creation of another Radical Islamic Republic like in Iran?

How are those Iranian human rights working for you now, Mr. President?

Just saying…

quick

January 30th, 2011
6:14 pm

or is my cats fault …Schrodenger?

quick

January 30th, 2011
6:18 pm

my favorite answer…’You don’t have to open the box”

Camp David Accords

January 30th, 2011
6:19 pm

“Now comes Jimmy – Who Did Nothing – Carter to weigh in on Egypt.”

Say what?

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
6:24 pm

Jack, make fun of is synonymous with unkind. I don’t see it in that otherwise awkwardly phrased quote by Biden. But the burden of proof regarding the truth is higher for some than others..

As for the Ferraro red herring, why in the name of (your favorite deity here) are you asking me, “why do you liberals find it fine…?”

Do you presume that I speak for “liberals”? All liberals? Some liberals? A handful of liberals in San Francisco?

Sorry, not my domain. You’ll have to ask somebody else in that particular “ilk”.

Now comes Jimmy – Who Did Nothing – Carter to weigh in on Egypt.

Please tell me this post is completely tongue in cheek, MHS.

Tell me you’ve heard of the Camp Dave Accords…

Dave R.

January 30th, 2011
6:26 pm

“Tell me you’ve heard of the Camp Dave Accords…”

One brief, shining moment in four years of abject misery . . .

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
6:27 pm

I see somebody else beat me to the OBVIOUS question regarding negotiating a lasting peace between the two greatest enemies in the ME.

(This should be interesting…)

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
6:29 pm

One brief, shining moment 33 years of peace in four years of abject misery . . . the most explosive war zone on earth…

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
6:30 pm

The arguments over abortion, gay rights are not all based on the merits of Christianity, Southern Comfort.

The anti-abortion position is arguable based on the inalienable right to life. Whether born or unborn a life is a life and therefore must be protected under due process of law before it can be taken.

Gays have the same rights as non-gays under the law. However they do not have the “same privileges” granted to them by the States. We are endowed with our rights, we are not endowed with privileges, because privileges are granted to us by a government or society based upon meeting certain prescribed conditions, as such be the case, privileges are therefore earned.

Now where is Christianity in my arguments? (There was no mention of religion, the bible, God or Jesus.)

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
6:31 pm

Blaming Christians…..again?

Who me? You’re talking to a man born, raised, and still is a Christian. I’m not blaming anybody. What I’m pointing out is that different people are going to have different perspectives on the same thing based on their personal views. Nothing more, nothing less.

quick

January 30th, 2011
6:36 pm

SoCo…you can either laugh with me or punch me in the nose…your call

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
6:40 pm

AmVet, tell you didn’t intentionally ignore what was said in my comment that dealt completely with Iran and Jimmy – WHO DID NOTHING – Carter that all but created the now radical Islamic Republic of Iran. Which is one of the most abusive of all human rights abusers, even more so than the former Shah who Carter despised for his abuse of human rights?

Again, Jimmy – WHO DID NOTHING – Carter, thank you for the present day Iran.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
6:46 pm

Why would I be punching you in the nose? Did I touch a nerve talking about perspectives?

quick

January 30th, 2011
6:48 pm

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
6:54 pm

Now comes Jimmy – Who Did Nothing – Carter to weigh in on Egypt.

He brokered the peace between Egypt and Israel. In the ensuing 33 years and five US administrations NO ONE else has come close to having that success there.

As for arming the now radical Islamic Republic of Iran, your myopia is stunning.

Three words – Iran-Contra Affair.

You do remember that repugnant debacle, right?

During the Reagan administration, President Ronald Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, the subject of an arms embargo.

Ronnie, who played stupid to perfection, and that disgraced US Marine colonel, operating with impunity in the White House basement(!!!), armed those Iranian thugs in direct violation of the laws of the United States of America.

The exact same thing he did with pretty much every murderous right wing dictator around the globe…

His administration practically kissed those Iranian AND Iraqi arses. (There is photographic proof of the latter…)

We’re you awake during the 1980s?

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
6:54 pm

I was questioning the meaning of your 6:36 post? I have no clue as to the meaning of it. I’m from Alabama. You have to be blunt with me sometimes. :)

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
6:56 pm

We’re you awake during the 1980s?

Unless I’m mistaken he wasn’t even alive in the 1980s, if so he was in diapers.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
6:58 pm

Washington is in a very sticky situation. However, hopefully dear leader Obama and company will not repeat the inaction of Jimmy – WHO DID NOTHING – Carter that produced the failures of Iran. Fortunately, the Egyptian people I sense are more subject to reason than their Iranian counterparts of the Carter days, coupled with the events having taken place in current Iran under the “Lipstick Revolution”, which many of them witnessed.

We should side with the people of Egypt in the understanding that our best wishes for them as a people is to enjoy the greatest degree of individual freedom and liberty fashioned by a government of their own choosing that is tolerant of all religions which exhibits tolerance of all human rights.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
6:59 pm

Southern Comfort:

#’’s 1-3) You may have the last word.

#4) You are obviously an intelligent person and I enjoy debating with you as you are always civil aboiut it. I hope you don’t take offense, but based on your intelligence I really don’t see how you could make that statement in #4. In my opinion, the two are so far apart that it is ludicrous to try and make the comparison.

People are human and from time to time an FBI agent goes bad, crosses the line, etc. etc.
Then there is the Mafia which lives across the line.

What you have said in effect is the FBI is as bad as the Mafia and that is absurd.

Tell me, which Christian organization has organized ministers, bishops or whatever all over the world preaching violence against those who disagree with them. How many have they had killed vs. Islam?
Some Christian denominations (Catholic, Southern Baptists do not ordain women). Islam brutalizes their women and in many instances degrades them with burkas and stones them for various improprieties like not marrying a man they don’t love. And of course they like to cut hands and feet off for petty offenses and are big into beheading (the slow or the fast way).

All religions are NOT equal (i.e., the few tribes who according to Ugandan authorities are still sacrificing children to the crocadile god). I assume you would want to equate them with the Lutheran church?

(An investigation by the BBC into human sacrifice in Uganda found that ritual killings of children are more common than Ugandan authorities once thought.[10]

10.^ Tim Whewell, “Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda”, BBC News, 7 January 2010 )

There are many moderate Muslims. Islam is NOT moderate. It seeks world domination by FORCE.

I’ll give you the chance to answer the below. No one has yet so I keep posting it.

Multiple Choice Quiz:

Which of the following “religious” entities in the United States requires untold millions in taxpayer money and immense NSA, Military Intelligence, CIA, FBI (to name a few) assets to conduct investigations and physical surveillances of places of worship, community service establishments, places of education, etc. via undercover FBI agents, paid informants and sophisticated electronic means:

a) Roman Catholic Church
b) Methodist Church
c) Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)
d) Church of God
e) Southern Baptist Church
f) Judaism (all forms)
g) Lutheran Church
h) Presbyterian Church
i) Episcopal Church
j) Mennonnite Church
k) Church of the Brethren
l) Nazarene Church
m) 7th Day Adventist Church
n) Quakers
o) Church of Christ
p) Islam

quick

January 30th, 2011
7:02 pm

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
7:03 pm

the 1980’s…

I remember those. Tortoise Shell Adidas, Fila suits, Gazelle glasses, high top fades, fat gold chains… Those were the days. :)

Bruno

January 30th, 2011
7:03 pm

AmVet–I enjoyed your Neil Young selection and appreciate your humble words. It seems the older I get, the less I know. At this point in my life, it’s all about participation and fellowship. Nothing left to prove for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vef03k5i8VI

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
7:06 pm

SoCo

Is that where they get the saying you can tell an Alabama fan but you can’t tell him much

:-)

ROLL TIDE

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
7:06 pm

AmVet, my myopia? LOL

The Reagan-Contra affair had zero to do with Jimmy – WHO DID NOTHING – Crater’s inaction’s in dealing with Iran that lead to the fall of the Shah and the creation of the now radical Islamic Republic of Iran.

Your three words are merely a foolish attempt to conflate issues that have no linkage whatsoever.

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
6:56 pm

Oh and junior, or is it sport, I was around in the ’50s and out of diapers then too.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
7:08 pm

I remember the 80’s it’s the 70’s that are a little fuzzy

:-)

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
7:11 pm

I was around in the ’50s and out of diapers then too.

As was I.

Funny that you didn’t give Carter his props for the Camp David Accords, it was he that brokered that deal and led to a share NPP.

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
7:13 pm

Scout, a problem we will likely never overcome is the athiest left thinks of Christianity with the same disdain as you and I have for Islam. The “religion bad” crowd somehow seems to equate a single nutcase murdering an abortion doc with a mass movement to eliminate the governments of the west and institute sharia law as the law of the land. It’s as if they think we’re sitting around in churches planning the same thing. They aren’t the brightest bulbs….

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
7:16 pm

Scout

Appreciate the deferrence on 1-3. I know we’ll sometimes agree and we’ll sometimes disagree. It’s human nature.

On #4, I’m not equating the two religions based on my personal view from a Christian standpoint. I am making a 3rd person, non-biased assesment about beliefs. You are devout in your beliefs, and as such, anything outside that system of beliefs is not what God’s word has said. You’ve expressed that multiudes of times.

Why is that different for a devout Hindu? A devout Buddhist? A devout Muslim? Anyone who is devout and serious in their beliefs are going to say their God is the one and true God. The Bible has multiple names for God.
.. http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestudyresources/qt/namesofgodjesus.htm

What or who is to say that one is correct and everybody else is wrong? We all believe that our religion is the one true religion, and everyone else is wrong. We would not be believers if we did not believe so.

I’m saying it’s a matter of personal perspective. In the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, our perspectives on Blacks and Whites would have been polar opposites. I would have thought that Blacks were good and that Whites were evil. Based on popular opinions in the South, your beliefs probably would have been polar opposite mine.

I will defer to you on #4. I know you will never see ALL religions as the same. With the depth of your devotion to Christianity, I understand and respect that.

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
7:19 pm

No worries MHS, I’ll not try to disabuse you of what you desperately want to believe. There are many players in the less than successful foreign US policies of the last 40 years.

Common @7:08, too funny.

Brother B, your generally reasoned calmness (and coolness) have a very good effect on me. Especially as my blog persona tends to go WAY overboard!

And the tunes we share are simply incomparable. Thanks for that Neil.

TR is held a very special show in NYC last night. It is for Moogy Klingman, one of the original members of Utopia, who has terminal cancer and doesn’t have a lot of time left. All of the original guys were there for him.

And some friends relayed to me that the love there is just insane…

Tucked away in the darkest cupboard of your heart
There’s a feeling you can’t let out
In a way you are just a soldier of the mind
You are marching, what are you marching about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNHXQLWIpK4&feature=related

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
7:22 pm

Not funny at all for it has nothing to do with my argument against him and his miserable failure, the worst any leader can commit, which is inaction. That Carter inaction to deal with Iran has resulted in giving us more problems than any touting of the Camp David Accords for a redemption can merit.

A leader can be forgiven for making a mistake in acting but no leader is ever forgiven for the mistake of not acting.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
7:27 pm

AmVet try whatever you vainly want, you still can’t re-write history to your liking. Carter’s inaction’s in the Iran affair and the results thereof are solely his own.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
7:28 pm

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
7:28 pm

Whether born or unborn a life is a life and therefore must be protected under due process of law before it can be taken.

That’s in what law, precisely. Do tell us, will you, what the good book tells us about abortion and the rights of the unborn. Be sure to provide book and verse.

Fred

January 30th, 2011
7:28 pm

Scout

January 30th, 2011
6:59 pm

There are many moderate Muslims. Islam is NOT moderate. It seeks world domination by FORCE.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That just isn’t true Scout. It’s merely your perception and how you arrange your “facts.” I think a majority of Muslims are as terrorized by the Muslim fanatics as are the non-Muslims.

Note before I finish: I read YOUR comment before the little bit of this one I quoted and SoCo’s response so I’m up with the convo (I think).

Now back on subject: The militant ignoramuses that are so violent gained control through violence and hold their power in the Muslim world through violence. They fear education and freedom (everything we represent) because if their “people” have either, they won’t remain in power. Since they abhor education, they are stuck some 500 or so years behind the rest of the world. Where were the “Christian Nations” 500 years ago? I can use another quote from your 6:59 to sum it up:

“Tell me, which Christian organization has organized ministers, bishops or whatever all over the world preaching violence against those who disagree with them. How many have they had killed vs. Islam?”

Substitute Islam and Christian at the appropriate places and you have the “Crusades” in a nut shell. YOU may think of it as ancient history (as do I) But the weirdo minority of Islam terrorists don’t. Quite simply, they are 500 years behind the times and crazy to boot. Do YOU wish to be classified with them?

Barely 170 years ago right here in the South a majority of white people thought it was not only moral but the natural order of things for blacks to be slaves. Do you think that? I highly doubt it, but it’s a very similar example. We have moved on, evolved socially.

Do you see what I’m saying or is it a lost cause? Kill them all and let God sort it out just doesn’t work anymore.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
7:30 pm

Oh and junior, or is it sport, I was around in the ’50s and out of diapers then too.

Me too. Can I play.

John Bawlner

January 30th, 2011
7:33 pm

There are many moderate Muslims. Islam is NOT moderate. It seeks world domination by FORCE.

Maybe someone should have warned our airlines ahead of time so they could reinforce those cabin doors. But wait. Someone did warn them. And what was their response. Re-inforced doors! That costs MONEY!

Scout

January 30th, 2011
7:34 pm

Soothsayer:

“That having been said, the SV govt under Thieu was a brutal dictatorship given to torture and murder. Hated and feared. As for your other three points, I agree. The fact remains, though, that the Vietnam Conflict was, in spite of perceived good intentions, a lost cause from the beginning.”

A) You greatly “overstate” your position re: brutal dictatorship: You fail to take into account the hundreds of thousands of people who fled South into this “brutal dictatorship” and very few went North.

I suppose you feel North Vietnam was “not” a brutal dictatorship ?

B) A timeline you might find interesting :

1950’s – Military advisors are sent to South Vietnam as the Viet Cong is getting more violent.

1965 – The first ground troops (Marines) were sent to South Vietnam to protect American Bases.

1965 to 1968 – The ground war intensifies as the North Vietnamese try to invade in violation of agreements.

(Note: Have you ever wondered why South Vietnam never invaded North Vietnam to try take it over? I assume you think that would be wrong but it’s o.k. for the North Vietnamese to invade.)

1968 – Tet Offensive (a clear violation of the holiday truce). In short, it is a severe military defeat for the Viet Cong and NVA (North Vietnamese Army). The press turns it into a political defeat through bias and misrepresentation.

1969 – Peek year for U.S. ground troops.

1972 – All U.S. ground troops have been previously withdrawn except about 500 advisors to the South Vietnamese Army and Marine Corps.

April – North Vietnam launches a massive multi-division invasion across the DMZ in violation of prior agreements. After three months of heavy fighting (and promised American air power) they are repulsed.

December – North Vietnam refuses to come to the peace table. The “Christmas Bombings” (Linebacker II) persuade them otherwise.

1973 – The Paris peace accords are signed by South Vietnam, the U.S., the South Vietnamese Communists and the North Vietnamese Communists. One major provision is that the North Vietnamese WILL NOT invade South Vietnam and that their differences will be resolved peacefully in further negotiations.

(Note: The President of South Vietnam refuses to sign the agreement. The President of the United States PROMISES on behalf of the United States that if the North Vietnamese invade South Vietnam again we will use our massive air power again to stop them and to provide the South Vietnamese Army with all needed replacement munitions and supplies. He signs.

1975 – The North Vietnamese in total violation of the Paris Peace Accords launches another massive multi-division invasion across the DMZ and this time out of the Central Highlands.

(Note: The North Vietnamese previously denied they had any troops in Laos or Cambodia).

The Congress of the United States refuses to fund monies for re-supply to South Vietnam as promised by the President of the United States. President Ford does not provide air support as promised by the President of the United States.

April 30th – South Vietnam ceases to exist as a nation.

Thousands of South Vietnames military officers and public servants are sent to BRUTAL (since you like that word) re-education camps where many die of disease and slow starvation. Some are there for as long as ten years.

OH, PERFIDIOUS NATION !

Scout

January 30th, 2011
7:35 pm

John Bawlner @ 7:33

Ah ……………………… never mind.

Sonar to bridge, sonar to bridge ………. range ……….. mark !

Jimmy Jones

January 30th, 2011
7:36 pm

Did someone call me. I brought the Flavor-aid. I’m thinking Cherry this time.

Jimmy Jones

January 30th, 2011
7:37 pm

You should never mind, Scout. Have some Flavor-aid.

Jimmy Jones

January 30th, 2011
7:39 pm

Bridge to sonar… bridge to sonar mark… range!

Well blow me down. Yo ho HO. I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
7:40 pm

Fred :

We don’t live in the times of the Crusades (which politcally correct history has lied about) or the times of slavery in the U.S.

We live in the present and we therefore must confront present evil.

Would you like to answer the question on that list for the present ?

If you really want to educate yourself on this matter may I recommend:

“The Grand Jihad” by Andrew McCarthy (Lead Federal Prosecutor in the first WTC bombing).

“The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)” by Robert Spencer

Thank you for your input.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
7:40 pm

Scout: I appreciate all of the effort you put into your post. However, Vietnam is ancient history.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
7:41 pm

Jimmy Jones:

Fire one ………….. fire two ………… down scope.

Book of Webster, Chapters P and V.

January 30th, 2011
7:44 pm

Perfidious and vitriol have hereby been removed from the Book.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
7:44 pm

Scout: our nation is neither treacherous nor disloyal (the meaning of perfidy). We rebelled against an illegal, unjust, unwarranted, unnecessary war. History has proven those who were against the Vietnam war right.

Jimmy Jones' Locker

January 30th, 2011
7:45 pm

Scout,

You missed me, nah nah nah,

Scout

January 30th, 2011
7:45 pm

Soothsayer:

Not for the friends and families of the 58,000+ names on that wall.

We still grieve especially those of us who carried them from the field of battle.

But I don’t expect to change your mind with facts and the truth.

“If there was immorality in the war in Vietnam, it was that a democratic nation called her citizens to war, had them killed by the tens of thousands, and then, like a faithless lover, turned and scorned the survivors.

Oh, perfidious nation!”

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
7:45 pm

NoCom

Yep!!!

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
7:46 pm

Carter’s inaction’s in the Iran affair and the results thereof are solely his own.

I don’t, and haven’t disagreed. Notwithstanding that red herring, it’s your analysis that is questionable. Now comes Jimmy – Who Did Nothing – Carter to weigh in on Egypt?.

It strikes me as very ironic, that’s all.

And please do show me where I have rewritten history this evening. (Or don’t.)

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
7:49 pm

However, Vietnam is ancient history.

Greece is ancient history, man. Vietnam is like, man, it’s like happening dude. Like where am I man.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
7:52 pm

But I don’t expect to change your mind with facts and the truth.

Give it a try, man.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
7:55 pm

It’s government censorship man. They turned off my Al Jazeera man. That’s not cool.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
7:56 pm

Which is worse?

For a person to betray their country or for a country to betray a person ?

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
7:56 pm

Scout: You know what. A lot of my friends from high school didn’t come home from Vietnam. There were deep divisions among the people of the United States as to whether the conflict in Vietnam was good or bad, including veterans returning from service. That you thought it worthwhile is beyond dispute. All I am saying is that millions of Good, Honest, Forthright Americans did not share your view. Can I change that 40 – 50 hence? No. Can we argue it endlessly? Yes. The question really boil down to is it worth it?

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
7:58 pm

Fred

A devout Christian will not see anything outside their morals/beliefs of Christianity as anything right and/or good. The same goes for a devout Muslim. The two will never see eye to eye. Don’t bother to argue anything to the contrary.

Del

January 30th, 2011
8:00 pm

Soothsayer, “Vietnam is ancient history” Certainly not ancient history but none the less history. Didn’t you bring it up on this thread or am I mistaken?

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
8:02 pm

Scout, you’re wasting your time with these losers. They think Nam was a loser because all wars are losers. They wouldn’t rise up and defend themselves for anything. Nam was a loser, Iraq is a loser, Afganistan is a loser. They’d be just peachy speaking German with a Brittish accent if it were left up to them. They have the spine of a jellyfish.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:03 pm

Del, Scout: I don’t know if I brought it up or not. Shall we debate the subject to it’s infinite bounds? We were on different sides. The twain shall never meet. Can’t we just leave it at that?

RB from Loserett

January 30th, 2011
8:08 pm

I’m a Conservative, and if you don’t believe what I believe, and how I believe it….

YOU’RE A LOSER!!!!

You wanna know how I know??? I’m a Conservative, and I’m always a winner, even when I’m wrong, which happens to be most of the time. However, I’m still a winner…

Del

January 30th, 2011
8:09 pm

“History has proven that those against the Vietnam war were right.” History has never proven that at all. The only thing history has proven in that regard is that the Congress of the United States and the President at that time chose not to pursue it any further. That fact has nothing to do with patting the anti-war movement on the back for undeserved credit as the left has been attempting to do for years.

Teri Beaugez

January 30th, 2011
8:09 pm

THANK YOU Mr. Bookman! Nuff said about this RETARDULOUS CRAP!

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:10 pm

No, RB you’re the loser. In fact Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan will all prove themselves to be hopeless, humiliating defeats. You, Scout, and Del as standard bearers of the Military Industrial Complex elevate war to a near-deity status. Why do we as a country spend 48% of the entire World’s spending on our military? Why did we spend 5,000 lives in Iraq to deliver that country to Iran on a silver platter. Why will we waste thousands of lives only to be handed humiliating defeat in Afghanistan just like the Russians? I’ll tell you why. Who or what or why we are fighting means nothing. The only thing that matters is that we are fighting. Winning, losing don’t really count.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
8:10 pm

Del @ 8:01

Agreed. Definitely not “ancient” history. Vietnam is more recent than Sputnik and the Kennedy assassination. It’s history, and it would benefit us all to ensure the lessons learned are not lost.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
8:12 pm

Hey man, sponges don’t have spines man. Jellyfish hurt.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:12 pm

Del: we suffered a humiliating defeat in Vietnam. My God! Man. Let’s not sugar-coat reality.

Del

January 30th, 2011
8:16 pm

“elevate war to a near-deity status.” Soothsayer, have you ever served? peacetime or particularly war time?

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
8:16 pm

Hey man, war sucks. Wars just get losers killed man. Where am I, man. Am I in one of those time warps again. Maybe if I just jump to the left.

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
8:17 pm

What history has proven about Vietnam is that if you fight a war with 1 hand behind your back and the enemy doesn’t, you lose. Has always been true and always will be.

These fools don’t seem to realize it was the courage of real men who fought with the courage of real men to give them the right to sleep with other men and all the other disgusting behavior they hold so dear.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
8:18 pm

I’ve served before man. It’s no fun though because most people won’t give you a decent tip man. They just complain about everything. Some of them even complain about the water being too wet.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:19 pm

Del: I have never represented that I have served. I have never been in the military.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
8:19 pm

I think RB is jealous man.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
8:21 pm

Did the AFC have one luau too many this week???

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:23 pm

“These fools don’t seem to realize it was the courage of real men who fought with the courage of real men to give them the right to sleep with other men and all the other disgusting behavior they hold so dear.”

What you are witnessing here, fellow bloggers is the common Repugnican’t/Conserviturd strategy of “attack and distract.” According to RB the Vietnam War was fought so that you and I, dear bloggers, can sleep with other men (even though I am most certainly not gay). And, by extension, absolutely NO MEN SLEPT WITH OTHER MEN BEFORE THE VIETNAM WAR. See how simple that is? Strictly logical.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
8:24 pm

AFC, that’s Alcohol, Firearms and Controlled substances, don’t mix man.

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
8:27 pm

Sooth, we lost because people like you made rules that keep us from using the might we posess to own and defeat the enemy. You don’t have the courage to win. War is hell. And unless you are willing to completely demoralize and own the enemy, you will lose. Simply hoping to be slightly better than they are at battle is a recipe for disaster as evidenced by Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan. Liberals will never win a war. EVER!

Our rules of engagement require our GI’s to not shoot unless shot at and not to return fire if civilians might be harmed. To a GI, that says “don’t return fire until your squad mate is dead and the life of the enemies buddy who looks like a civilian (as does the enemy) is more important than was the life of your squad mate.”

Liberals are LOSERS!!! Period!

Del

January 30th, 2011
8:27 pm

I don’t know any fellow vets who served their that felt humiliated, they felt betrayed by their country but actually the betrayal was by the government. The federal government of that era should have felt humiliation but because of the intrinsic pompous nature of politicians, they probably didn’t. Those who fought certainly have no reason to feel humiliated. Do you celebrate America’s failures?

Scout

January 30th, 2011
8:29 pm

Soothsayer :

Thanks for the input.

You had the last word on the subject between us.

God bless.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 30th, 2011
8:30 pm

Kim Chong Bong@
8:24 pm
AFC, that’s Alcohol, Firearms and Controlled substances, don’t mix man.
—————————
How about 2 out of the 3?

Noah's Arcade and Amusement Park

January 30th, 2011
8:30 pm

What’s a person supposed to do on a boat for forty days and forty nights. We’re only human.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
8:32 pm

How about 2 out of the 3?

No but 1 and 3 are good.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:32 pm

Oh, shee-it! Those damn, focking liberals wrote the rules of engagement that the liberal U.S. Army had not choice but to follow. HEY! I’M SHOT! CAN I SHOOT BACK NOW? RB, your arguments are becoming more ludicrous by the minute. So, let me get this straight. We didn’t provide the troops in Vietnam with enough materiel and personnel to get the job done? Personally, I think your whole argument is BS.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
8:32 pm

Del:

One of the iconic exchanges of Vietnam came, some years after the war, between Col. Harry Summers, a military historian, and a counterpart in the North Vietnamese Army. As Summers recalled it, he said, “You never defeated us in the field.” To which the NVA officer replied: “That may be true. It is also irrelevant.” Newsweek Magazine

Our military never was defeated. Our cowardly politicians gave it away

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
8:37 pm

Um, no, Sooth, Vietnam wasn’t fought so liberals could engage in gay sex, but the freedoms we enjoy in this nation were earned by real men who came here and fought like real men. The revolutionary war, WWI, WWII. We dropped a bomb to end WWII that wiped out entire cities of civilians. Do you think today’s liberals would allow that?? Not a chance in heck. People like you will fret about issues like that while our men die until you conclude the loss of our men isn’t worth it and you’ll leave with your tail between your legs.

We have the might to stop whats going on in Iraq and Afganistan. We don’t have the will. Because of people like you.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
8:37 pm

If the shoe fits ………. wear it.

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say ‘what should be the reward of such sacrifices?’ … If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands, which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

Samuel Adams

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
8:38 pm

Knowing many Vietnam Vets personally (I wasn’t born until the year the last troops left), there is no way I could fix my mouth to say anything that would demean them or their service. Two quotes that I think politicians should have heeded then:

“An Army is a collection of armed men obliged to obey one man. Every change in the rules which impairs the principle weakens the army.”

“Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster.”

William Tecumseh Sherman

*josef and Scout, I beg your forgiveness for quoting him, but I think that’s advice that politicians in the Vietnam era should have wisely heeded.

Del

January 30th, 2011
8:39 pm

Scout,
The lefts strategy is to re-write history. They parrot the distortions so much that they actually start believing it. Unfortunately, it seems that they may be succeeding.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:42 pm

Del: I MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT CELEBRATE AMERICA’S FAILURES. I simply have a different vision of what America could and should be. We are wasting countless billions of dollars of taxpayer money on “Wars to Nowhere.”

What on earth do we stand to gain from our adventure in Iraq? Iraq is now controlled by Iran. How about Afghanistan? After the thousands of lives spent in Afghanistan, China how controls the all-important resources of central Asia.

Rather than fighting over dwindling fossil fuels, we, AMERICA, should be working on developing technologies to produce HYDROGEN. YES, HYDROGEN. A blogger earlier today derided wind power and windmills and yet, one “windmill” can produce 4 megawatts of power. THAT’S 4 MILLION WATTS of power. That enough to power 800 homes from one windmill.

If anyone is taking bets, I would be willing to be that in 50 years everyone’s car will run on hydrogen. Of course, I won’t be around then so you won’t be able to collect.

barking frog

January 30th, 2011
8:47 pm

The USA has never lost a war.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
8:49 pm

Southern Comfort:

No ………. he was right. Good words.

It’s also why the South lost the war.

Why?

Immediately after Bull Run, the Northern Army was in shambles.

The Southern generals had a “council of war” on what to do next. Stonewall Jackson said they had one chance to win the war and gain their independance. That was to “Black Flag”.

In other words, he recommended taking the bulk of the Southern Army right then and march to Baltimore, Philadelphia and New York if need be living off the rich land and burning everything in sight. Had that been done, the North would have sued for peace.

Jackson was overrulled by the “gentlemen” generals who felt the North would now leave them alone.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
8:50 pm

barking frog:

You are correct but we have taken our football and gone home.

William Tecumseh Sherman

January 30th, 2011
8:50 pm

Is that the thanks I get after I gave you a chance to rebuild Atlanta from the ground up?

Look how you libruls messed it up

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:52 pm

RB: “Do you think today’s liberals would allow that?? Not a chance in heck. People like you will fret about issues like that while our men die until you conclude the loss of our men isn’t worth it and you’ll leave with your tail between your legs.

We have the might to stop whats going on in Iraq and Afganistan. We don’t have the will. Because of people like you.”

You have some kind of logic going on here that is beyond me. Let me get this straight. The Federal Government put the decision as to whether or not to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki to the American public and they decided in an open vote to go ahead and bomb. Are you serious? We can only thank God that a bunch of liberals didn’t block it.

Your second paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. Do you read this stuff before you post it? What the fock are you talking about?

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
8:52 pm

And please do show me where I have rewritten history this evening. (Or don’t.)

AmVet, all you need to do is go back and read what you wrote about your three little words, Reagan-Contra, blah blah, blah blah, in defense of the defenseless inaction of Jimmy – WHO DID NOTHING -Carter.

That was a very apparent attempt to re-write the history of what actually took place when the Shah fell and the the Ayatollah took over. All of which happened solely under Jimmy – WHO DID NOTHING – Carter who was then President.

Now comes Jimmy – Who Did Nothing – Carter to weigh in on Egypt, a
Red herring? LOL

If Carter ever did anything good it was completely negated by his failure to take action on Iran when he was the President. Given his past inaction, he may as well continue to do nothing and the less he now says publically because he was once a President and a failed one at that, the better for all concerned.

Anything else to add besides your usual shiddy personal attacks, oh petulant one?

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
8:53 pm

Sooth, if Hydrogen were a viable solution, WE WOULD BE USING IT!!! Until it is, we’ll keep using what works. You liberals like to pretend you’re willing to pay more for solutions such as hydrogen, but you never think beyond the surface issues and live in the real world. If you did, YOU would have a hydrogen powered car, a solar home, a windmill, and all the other crap you want everybody else to pay for. But you don’t because you don’t have the money to fund your pipe dreams. And nobody else does either.

barking frog

January 30th, 2011
8:54 pm

Young men die in Old mens’ wars. Always have, Always will.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
8:54 pm

Immediately after Bull Run, the Northern Army was in shambles.

Yep. I don’t think that was the South’s only opportunity, but it was their best one. It would have been one quick war.

Had to appologize though. I know mentioning Sherman in the South, especially Georgia, is cause for excommunication. :)

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
8:55 pm

Scout: regardless of what tactics the Confederates may have taken, they still would have lost the war. It was simply a numbers game. The Union had more men, industrial capacity, etc. The outcome was predetermined before the war ever started.

William Tecumseh Sherman

January 30th, 2011
8:57 pm

I did you guys a favor

barking frog

January 30th, 2011
9:03 pm

Atlanta may look like Cairo if 5.00 per gallon gas arrive
along with expiration of the majority of unemployment
benefits and no jobs.

NVA OK

January 30th, 2011
9:04 pm

We planning anniversary get together for all you ex soldier with nothing better to do. How about we meet at high noon on the 19th parallel. It’ll be a blast. Bring back many good memory. Bring Hawkeye and the blond one too. We show them good time. Still have their favorite tents set up. We no care which war we fight over again and we bet you dont either.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:04 pm

“Sooth, if Hydrogen were a viable solution, WE WOULD BE USING IT!!! Until it is, we’ll keep using what works. You liberals like to pretend you’re willing to pay more for solutions such as hydrogen, but you never think beyond the surface issues and live in the real world. If you did, YOU would have a hydrogen powered car, a solar home, a windmill, and all the other crap you want everybody else to pay for. But you don’t because you don’t have the money to fund your pipe dreams. And nobody else does either.”

I don’t know if I’ve encountered anyone with more hatred on this blog than you. A Lush indoctrinate without doubt.

Let me ask you this, RB. What if gasoline for your pick-em-up truck cost $10.00 a gallon? Oh! that can’t happen–no way! What if it cost $350 to fill up your pick-em-truck? How would you feel about that? Hell, it’s them damned liberals fault! They won’t let us drill in ANWAR! You and so many others on this blog are living in a delusional state. Within the next 5 years we may very well see $10.00 a gallon gasoline.

Being a true Repugnican’t/Conserviturd I know that you believe in the cornucopia theory of fossil fuels–that they are replenishing themselves from underground caverns or whatever. However, I think that your beliefs are going to crash into reality in the very near future.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:05 pm

Had that other failed DO NOTHING LEADER of inaction George McClellan been replaced earlier on the favor might have been done in around four months time instead of taking four years! Et al Historian Shelby Foote

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
9:09 pm

That was a very apparent attempt to re-write the history of what actually took place…

So apparent, that it would seem that only you can see it.

Michael, I used a Reagan red herring on your Iran red herring! See how that works? You’ve lost track of the fish! And your decorum.

All this talk of winning wars reminds me of that scene in Caddyshack where Carl Spackler (Bill Murray) is mumbling The Green Berets under his breath, while connecting the wires to the plunger in preparation for his final battle with his gopher nemesis.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
9:11 pm

Sooth

While the Union may have had more industry and people, the Confederacy had backup on the other side of the Atlantic. One of effects of Lincon releasing the Emancipation Proclamation was that it made it less desirable for other countries to come in and assist the Confederacy. While the Confederacy didn’t have the industrial base of the North, they did possess and trade a hell of a lot of cotton worldwide.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:17 pm

SoCo: If you go back and study history, France and England abandoned the Confederacy.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:17 pm

Soothsayer, there is no more greater fan of hydrogen than yours truly. However, time is of the essence and the choices are few. We must use what we have most of readily available and in abundance, which means Natural Gas. We simply must face the harsh reality we have to get off of using foreign oil and begin using our own resources. We hold the world largest known reserves of Natural Gas. That is our best option presently, the rest can follow.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:18 pm

Not to mention that virtually every single Confederate port was blockaded.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:20 pm

AmVet, I lost track of nothing, my comments on Iran and Carter are historical fact and not one of your fish stories.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:23 pm

“Soothsayer, there is no more greater fan of hydrogen than yours truly. However, time is of the essence and the choices are few. We must use what we have most of readily available and in abundance, which means Natural Gas. We simply must face the harsh reality we have to get off of using foreign oil and begin using our own resources. We hold the world largest known reserves of Natural Gas. That is our best option presently, the rest can follow.”

I’m starting to like you, boy! No, Big Oil has a strangle hold on our economy and only until oil and gas become prohibitively expensive will any real change take place. When you think about it, hydrogen is the perfect fuel–inexpensive to make, can be used in the car you now have, pollution-free (only water), and, if the electrolyte is seawater, the byproducts chlorine gas (water purification) and sodium hydroxide (lye–can be used to convert vegetable oil to diesel fuel) are very useful as well.

As has been said, “necessity is the mother of invention.”

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
9:24 pm

Sooth, what if pigs fly? Then pork chops might be $40/lb? How about we talk about the real world we live in today and not some fantasy land you apparently live in? Gas isn’t $10/gallon is it. Never has been has it? Sure, it might get there, and if if does we’ll make decisions based on that reality. But for today, just for kicks, can you think about today’s issues based on today’s reality? Would that be too hard for you? You know, not in the fantasy world you live in…

It would appear most of you liberals would like for gas to be $10/gallon so your fantasies look more reasonable.

BTW, do you still think all this oil is coming from decayed dinosaurs as your scientist friends once told you? Must have been a heck of a lot of dinosaurs eh? So, where are all the fossil records?

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
9:28 pm

SoCo: If you go back and study history, France and England abandoned the Confederacy.

Not until the Emancipation Proclamation. That was kinda like the proverbial last nail in the coffin for England. Before that, they did things that showed favor to the CSA. They didn’t go all out for fear of war against the US.

Southern Comfort

January 30th, 2011
9:29 pm

Gotta put the brakes on for the evenin’

Catch y’all later…..

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:31 pm

“Sooth, what if pigs fly? Then pork chops might be $40/lb? How about we talk about the real world we live in today and not some fantasy land you apparently live in? Gas isn’t $10/gallon is it. Never has been has it? Sure, it might get there, and if if does we’ll make decisions based on that reality. But for today, just for kicks, can you think about today’s issues based on today’s reality? Would that be too hard for you? You know, not in the fantasy world you live in…

It would appear most of you liberals would like for gas to be $10/gallon so your fantasies look more reasonable.

BTW, do you still think all this oil is coming from decayed dinosaurs as your scientist friends once told you? Must have been a heck of a lot of dinosaurs eh? So, where are all the fossil records?”

It’s a damned liberal plot! They just want gice to be $10.00 a gallon! You know RB, that’s the trouble with America. We don’t want to be bothered with thinking about the future. Why bother with that when we can always blame it on the liberals?

By the way, gice was $4.00 a gallon not too long ago. $10.00 a gallon is not that far away. Oh, and RB, oil was formed by decaying plant life and algae.

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
9:33 pm

BTW,Sooth, I think the ultimate solution is in solar, hydrogen, and nuclear power, but until those sources are viable, we need to do the best we can to manage our current BEST solution.

Most of you need to go back and see how much of the housing bubble crash was actually caused by $4/gallon gas. There was no magical “all loans are now going up” date on these ARM loans. They all go up X days/years from inception. $4/gallon gas put people living on the edge over the edge. Faced with getting to work and buying groceries vs paying the bank, the bank lost. And it will happen again if gas goes to $4/gallon.

I just can’t wait to see all you liberals whine about Obama’s big oil buddies like you did Bush.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
9:34 pm

I can’t wait for $10 gas man. Them war makers will be looking to start another war to find $5 gas and that’s cool man. Give war a chance.

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
9:39 pm

“Oh, and RB, oil was formed by decaying plant life and algae.” Oh really? So the mostly sand covered middle east was once so lush with plant life and aglea it produced all this oil? What exactly happened to all that plant life Sooth? Did Bush’s bad environmental policies wipe out all that plant life too?

You’ve stepped in a bit of a catch 22 there Sooth. Either the environment has been dramatically changing without the western world or you and the science comminity are WRONG about the source of oil. Take your pick, but one of your favorite talking points is WRONG.

Kim Chong Bong

January 30th, 2011
9:39 pm

The average drives logs in about 10,000 miles a year and if that driver gets about 25 mpg which is pretty low by today’s standards then that person would need about 400 gallons of gas a year and if they drove about the same amount of miles every week then that would mean they would use about eight gallons a week and if gas went up from 3 to 4 dollars a gallon then that person would need an extra 8 dollars a week and that’s enough to cause a housing collapse and a recession and just wait til you see what I can do after I use the bong.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
9:42 pm

Did the AFC have one luau too many this week???

I don’t know but when’s the last time you saw an 11-10 hockey game?

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:43 pm

“BTW,Sooth, I think the ultimate solution is in solar, hydrogen, and nuclear power, but until those sources are viable, we need to do the best we can to manage our current BEST solution.

Most of you need to go back and see how much of the housing bubble crash was actually caused by $4/gallon gas. There was no magical “all loans are now going up” date on these ARM loans. They all go up X days/years from inception. $4/gallon gas put people living on the edge over the edge. Faced with getting to work and buying groceries vs paying the bank, the bank lost. And it will happen again if gas goes to $4/gallon.

I just can’t wait to see all you liberals whine about Obama’s big oil buddies like you did Bush.”

You know, RB we’re finally getting somewhere. Except nuclear–and not because of the waste–because nuclear is facing “peak uranium” just the World is facing “peak oil.”

If you study a graph of the housing market and a graph of the oil spike you will find they follow the same parabolic shape. After the spike there is a retrenchment below the previous (before the spike) trend line and then a return to the trend line. The two are not related.

RB: it’s late and probably just you and me are here. What if I told you that every single thought in your head was placed there by some Right-Wing think tank? That what you believe has been carefully crafted by Corporate America? Nah! you wouldn’t believe something like that. Goodnight.

Michael H. Smith

January 30th, 2011
9:45 pm

Actually Soothsayer, multi fuel vehicles would be the wiser choice. However, in the case of hydrogen, while it can be used-burned as a fuel in the standard combustion engine, it is best used as an energy carrier employing a fuel cell to power electric motors where the energy efficiency is around 80% instead of the very wasteful 20% or so energy efficiency of the standard combustion engine.

Other countries like Brazil have multi-fuel cars but not us. Why? Well, as Ronald Reagan said the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I’m from the government and I’m here to help. Thanks to our helpful government things like electric cars and multi-fuel cars will remain years away from our roads.

RW-(the original)

January 30th, 2011
9:47 pm

I don’t know but when’s the last time you saw an 11-10 hockey game?

Pretty much any NHL All Star game lately. The last one before this year was 2009 and it ended 12-11.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:50 pm

“So the mostly sand covered middle east was once so lush with plant life and aglea it produced all this oil?”

In fact, this area was once a lush rainforest. Either because the Earth shifted on it’s axis or the Continents shifted, most of the areas with oil today were rainforests at one time.

Soothsayer

January 30th, 2011
9:54 pm

“Actually Soothsayer, multi fuel vehicles would be the wiser choice. However, in the case of hydrogen, while it can be used-burned as a fuel in the standard combustion engine, it is best used as an energy carrier employing a fuel cell to power electric motors where the energy efficiency is around 80% instead of the very wasteful 20% or so energy efficiency of the standard combustion engine.”

Agreed. The only problem is that fuel cells require noble metals–platinum, palladium, gold–to work and require 99%+ pure hydrogen to prevent fouling (read ruining the fuel cells) to work.Here again, there simply is not enough of these noble metals to furnish everyone with a fuel-cell vehicle.

Linda

January 30th, 2011
10:08 pm

I’m just dropping in here on this this blog for the first time in a week. I read a comment from Sat. afternoon at 3:28 that claimed that the wars have cost us $4 T dollars. That is a downright lie. They have cost us $1.1 T, according to:

http://costofwar.com/en/

The commenter exaggerated the cost almost 3 times. Was he a liar or just plain stupid?

Not one person, even those who engaged with him (?) afterward, challenged or corrected him. That is unsettling. Is this blog enlightening or just an exchange of ignorance?

I’m deeply concerned about out natl. debt & how it is affecting our economy & our natl. security. Until the American people, including those of you on this blog, understand that we:
are borrowing 40% of every nickel, dime, quarter & dollar we spend,
are spending $4 B per DAY in interest,
need to eliminate 40% of the fed. govt. just to BREAK EVEN,
need to eliminate another 10% of the fed. govt. to begin to pay down the debt of $14+T,
need to eliminate HALF of the fed. govt. to survive,
understand the wars are not nearly as costly as domestic spending,
understand that we are burning our food (ethanol)(wheat) in our gas tanks, causing inflation in both the grocery stores & at the gas pumps for no apparent reason, since we have plenty of our own oil & natural gas,
we are printing money out of thin air, causing additional inflation, &
we are in denial & our country is doomed.
May God have mercy on our souls.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 30th, 2011
10:13 pm

RW @ 9:47

Good point.

getalife

January 30th, 2011
10:21 pm

“The commenter exaggerated the cost almost 3 times. Was he a liar or just plain stupid? ”

He is correct Linda:

“The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
10:24 pm

getalife

January 30th, 2011
10:28 pm

I wonder if Linda knows the cost of the w economic collapse?

RB from Gwinnett

January 30th, 2011
10:28 pm

“In fact, this area was once a lush rainforest. Either because the Earth shifted on it’s axis or the Continents shifted, most of the areas with oil today were rainforests at one time.”

Where is the evidence Sooth? Have they dug down in the sand and found trees? Fossils? anything resembling a forest? Surely the forest housed an abundance of animal life. Where are the skeletal remains?

You do realize your position on this matter is counter to all liberal talking points that all climate change has been caused by George Bush’s bad environmental policies don’t you? Surely he didn’t cause it to change from cooling to heating in the 70’s AND turn middle east rain forests into deserts.

You know, I haven’t heard any of those points about middle east rain forests on talk radio. Have you? Maybe, Sooth, just maybe, talk radio is voicing what the people think and not the other way around.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
10:30 pm

Soothsayer :

A couple of points:

1) A “Black Flag” up the eastern coast by the Confederate Army would have caused the North to sue for peace as they didn’t want all their cities burned to the ground (as Sherman did). There was no effective Union Army to stop them.

2) The South would have also gained their independence if they had won at Gettysburg. The Union Army would have retreated to Washington with the Confederate Army hot on their heels.

3) Keep in mind that a huge portion of the North was sick of the war. By that time they just wanted to let the South go their way rather than lose any more sons, fathers and husbands.

As a matter of fact, any Northern newspaper that printed anything suggesting that was closed down by Liincoln and the editor put in jail. He did that by the dozens.

4) One final thing you may not be aware of that is very interesting.

In 1864, Lincoln sent Frances Blair (the Blair house now used in Washington, D.C. for Foreign Heads of State visits) to Richmond to meet with Jefferson Davis (a former friend). The purpose? Lincoln proposed that hostilities stop, that the Southern States return to the Union (slavery would have continued as provided for in the Emancipation Proclamation) and ……………. that the Union and Southern Armies combine to go to Mexico to throw the French (in violation of the Monroe Doctine) out. Mexico would then be claimed as U.S. territory.

Alas, this did not come to fruition for variious reasons and the rest is history.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
10:32 pm

Well, well, it looks as though the freedom loving demonstrators have released all of the terrorists held in Cairo jails.

That’s just wonderful.

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
10:32 pm

I wonder if Linda knows the cost of the w economic collapse?

I’m thinking no.

Besides, it was all the fault of Fannie, Freddie,and the CRA.

Linda

January 30th, 2011
10:32 pm

getalife @ 10:21, I quoted costofwar.com. You quoted the Washington Post. Get a life.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
10:34 pm

………….. and another one:

“Egyptian looters destroy 2,000-year-old mummies in bid to steal King Tut’s treasures…”

That’s just wonderful.

getalife

January 30th, 2011
10:36 pm

Linda,

You should apologize for calling others “stupid” and “liar”.

We enjoy civility on this blog.

Linda

January 30th, 2011
10:37 pm

getalife @ 10:28, “the cost of the w economic collapse?” Are you yet on even keel?

The Dude

January 30th, 2011
10:39 pm

Dr Benny Peiser and Dr David Whitehouse, of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), have written to John Hirst, chief executive of the beleaguered Met Office, asking for an explanation of a press release issued by his organisation on January 20 and headed “2010 – a near record year”. This won headlines by claiming that last year was hotter than any other in the past decade.

When the two men examined the original data from which this claim was derived – compiled by the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and the Met Office’s Hadley Centre – it clearly showed 2010 as having been cooler than 2005 (and 1998) and equal to 2003. It emerged that, for the purposes of the press release, the data had been significantly adjusted.

Comparing the actual data for each year, from 2001 to 2010, with that given in the press release shows that for four years the original figure has been adjusted downwards. Only for 2010 was the data revised upwards, by the largest adjustment of all, allowing the Met Office to claim that 2010 was the hottest year of the decade.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
10:43 pm

Some of you guys had better wake up ………………..

“TEL AVIV – Islamists, in particular the anti-Western Muslim Brotherhood, seem poised to take power throughout the Middle East as a result of riots that have already toppled one Arab regime and are threatening others, in what some are calling only the latest wave of an Islamic “tsunami” sweeping the globe.”

RW-(the original)

January 30th, 2011
10:44 pm

The Dude,

Want to see some seriously adjusted “data” on warming?

I especially love the living graph that shows what they used to present as data back before it became agenda driven.

Linda

January 30th, 2011
10:46 pm

getalife @ 10:36, I have been called every horrible name on this blog. All it has done is encourage me to stand for my principles. I will not apologize to someone who flat out lies. If you did not lie, if you were just stupid, I apologize for your stupidity. The only civility on this blog is from conservatives when we try very hard.

getalife

January 30th, 2011
10:52 pm

That is hilarious Linda.

The author of my proof is one of the economists that actually predicted the w economic collapse.

Just admit you are wrong and apologize.

Get on even keel.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
10:56 pm

Hummmmm …………….

“Trump: Obama Has Turned U.S. Into China ‘Whipping Post’ ”

“Trump Slams Obama Mid-East Policies, U.S. Now ‘Laughing Stock of World’ ”

“Trump: I Would Take Down OPEC”

The Donald

January 30th, 2011
11:00 pm

“Trump: I will declare bankruptcy again and again”

Linda

January 30th, 2011
11:04 pm

getalife @ 10:52, I don’t think this is funny.
What is “the w economic collapse?”
The New York Times predicted the economic collapse in 1999!!!!!!!!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=prin

Wasn’t that 2 or 3 years before Bush came into office?

Get over yourself! I’m gone. May God bless you & yours.

Kamchak

January 30th, 2011
11:06 pm

“Trump: I will continue to marry and divorce big-breasted blonds.”

Scout

January 30th, 2011
11:09 pm

The Donald & Kammy:

That’s why I said, “Hummmmm …………”

getalife

January 30th, 2011
11:10 pm

Glad to help you out Linda.

You are at the right place to get informed with the truth and we can work on that civility problem.

Scout

January 30th, 2011
11:13 pm

Scout

January 30th, 2011
11:13 pm

Scout

January 30th, 2011
11:14 pm

Scout

January 30th, 2011
11:16 pm

AmVet

January 30th, 2011
11:30 pm

…if you were just stupid, I apologize for your stupidity. The only civility on this blog is from conservatives when we try very hard.

You have to laugh at the unintended irony.

So who apologizes for Linda’s lie and bald faced hypocrisy?

mystified

January 31st, 2011
6:48 am

Better late than never….It may be a bit much to say America did anything to inspire what is going on in Egypt; but it has to be a conservative movement. Everyone knows liberals don’t believe in anything enough to take that kind of a stand. They would be having sit ins and asking someone else to come fight their battle for them.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
6:50 am

Linda

January 30th, 2011
10:46 pm
getalife @ 10:36, I have been called every horrible name on this blog. All it has done is encourage me to stand for my principles. I will not apologize to someone who flat out lies. If you did not lie, if you were just stupid, I apologize for your stupidity. The only civility on this blog is from conservatives when we try very hard

If only every blogger on here could raise themselves to Linda’s standard of civility, what a beautiful world we would have. Then again, perhaps you could try harder.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
6:54 am

If conservatives would pay to fight their wars instead of passing the buck off on others, that would be a good start. Of course I’d be mystified if I ever saw that happen. They think that their wars can be funded by cutting taxes. What a laffer.

jt

January 31st, 2011
6:59 am

The narcissism of the neo-cons is no worse than the Hypocricy of Obama.

“Government shouldn’t be coercive”.

I know that we don’t HAVE to buy health insurance. But if we don’t, we will just work a certain amount of time and the government will take the money from that labor.

No coerscion here.

Bill Orvis White

January 31st, 2011
7:15 am

Ever since Saddam Hussein bombed the U.S. on September 11, the Honorable President George W. Bush instituted a commitment to the War on Terror. What’s going on now is a result of these bold moves as Mr. Bush states in his excellent memoir. If you haven’t read it, Jay, you very much need to. GW Bush stood up to the terrorists and stared them down just like the Honorable President Ronald Wilson Reagan stared down Mikhail Gorbachev in the late days of the Cold War which Mr. Reagan ended. It’s just like that, Jay.

Here’s the problem: Hussein Obama has no spine so now the jihadists are going to come in and take the country over just like they did in Iran with Jimmah Carter. Mark my words today: Egypt will have its own Islamic Revolution.

So, what should smart patriotic Americans do? Pull your money from the stock market and buy gold. Oil’s going up, folks! The markets are going way down because of that! BUY GOLD!

After y’all buy gold, stock up on your weapons cache and canned goods, buy a generator and place these items in a locked fortified building. It’s a matter of when these jihadists come to our shores.

Hussein Obama will fall to his jihadists brothers instead of empowering his good brothers.

Amen,
Bill

@@

January 31st, 2011
7:26 am

For all the Jimmy Carter fans…you’d best get behind Suleiman then, ’cause Carter thinks he’s the man, who can pull Egypt thru. Maybe he DID learn from his mistakes albeit too late for Iran.

Carter said Mubarak has become corrupt over his 30 years in power, but praised Mubarak’s newly appointed vice president, Omar Suleiman: “He’s an intelligent man whom I like very much.”

Never thought I’d see the day Carter and I agree, but ^^^ there you have it.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
7:30 am

Ever since Saddam Hussein bombed the U.S. on September 11

Which plane did he die in. I think I missed that little detail. And I thought Reagan only supplied Saddam with biological warfare agents and chemical weapons and such. Thanks for the update on Reagan providing Saddam with bombs as well.

Mick

January 31st, 2011
7:34 am

orvis

What did the honorable president reagan do when we lost over 250 marines in lebanon?

A. Bomb them back to the stone age
B. Use CIA in covert operations
C. Diplomacy
D. Leave lebanon and let them sort out their own mess

jt

January 31st, 2011
7:42 am

What did the honorable president reagan do when we lost over 250 marines in lebanon?

The Honorable Sir Ronald Reagan kept American lives living.

Unlike despicable Neo-con Republican war-hawks and Democrat anti-war jellyfish.

There are principled people and then there is the R&D party.(and the MSM quislings).

AmVet

January 31st, 2011
7:45 am

Ever since Saddam Hussein bombed the U.S. on September 11…

Bill, you need some serous help. And/or serious medication. But the laughable and childish delusions you proffer here are mildly entertaining.

The good news is that after those 10 absurd words, there was no need to even try and wade through the rest of your dreck….

stands for decibels

January 31st, 2011
7:52 am

No coerscion here.

jt, why don’t you ever complain about this particular type of coercion? Just curious.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
7:55 am

The Honorable Sir Paul McCartney said that Ronnie just refused to give peace a chance. Ronnie was a war monger.

Normal

January 31st, 2011
8:03 am

jt

January 31st, 2011
8:09 am

stands for decibels

“jt, why don’t you ever complain about this particular type of coercion? ”

My PRIVATE complaint is Because there is a human life concerned, IMHO.
Be that as it may, you will not hear me complain because it is none of my business. Nor the government ’s.

I cannot stand in front of every young innocent kid to block a bullet from our war on terror or drugs nor can I throw myself upon every pair of scissors.

It is all up to the individual. Government need not be involved.

Paul

January 31st, 2011
8:10 am

g’morning, Normal

From the link:

“There are certain things you do not do when our nation is at war,”

I am getting so tired of hearing that line whenever anything related to a DoD cut is mentioned. We’re going to have a presence in Afg or Iraq for years and years and years. So that excuse will never go away.

What it means is, “a portion of our military is engaged in hostile actions. Because of that, no cuts to Defense can be considered because…. we’re at war!!!”

jt

January 31st, 2011
8:14 am

The Honorable Sir Paul McCartney is an Obama supporter, henceforth a war-monger.

Henceforth, a dummy. There are many that believed the community organizer/politician from Chicago.

(he is just too proud to admit that he was fooled).

Peadawg

January 31st, 2011
8:19 am

Sounds like Jay woke up on the wrong side of the bed Saturday. Yikes.

“To claim that they are instead taking such risks because they were inspired by the U.S. invasion of Iraq nine years ago” – And YOU know otherwise? Really? How?

AmVet

January 31st, 2011
8:19 am

Good morning, Normal and Paul.

The line that jumped out at me from that article?

“The day this nation can’t afford to take care of her veterans is the day this nation should quit creating them.”

And to your point, jt, I’m not sure who are the biggest fools – those who believed BHO was NOT going to be GWB-lite, or the GWB drunks themselves, who nearly swooned after weeks of spewing on end, “But, but, but… he’s the biggest liberal in the history of the universe!!!”

Jokers to the left of me, clowns to the right…

jt

January 31st, 2011
8:20 am

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
8:21 am

I see jt did not post any disclaimer about war monger Ronnie. He merely says, “Obama is too.” Since jt thinks turnabout is fair play and has labeled the Honorable Sir Paul McCartney as a dummy, I suppose I should use his logic and say Ronnie is a dummy… and a proud fool. Too bad Ronnie could not add community organizer to his list of accomplishments as Obama did. At least Ronnie had “supplier of weapons of mass destruction to Saddam,” on his list of accomplishments to make up for it though.

Peadawg

January 31st, 2011
8:22 am

Sounds like someone doesn’t want to the US credit for trying to spread Democracy…..

independent thinker

January 31st, 2011
8:22 am

Sounds like it is time for the community organizer to go to Cairo with his Nobel peace prize buddy El Baredei and give another speech since the last one worked so well- unsuccessful uprising in Iran , Hezbollah peacefully takes over government in Lebanon with not a word from the US and now chaos in Egypt
with the Muslim Brotherhood on the verge of control. On the other hand the neo cons spent nearly 700 billion in Iraq only to get a country tilting towards Iran more and more. They also foced elections on the West Bank and Gaza bringing Hamas to power. And then there are those fanatic mujhadeen we brought to power in Afghanistan ie the Taliban.This was after Jimmy praised the ayatollahs that threw out the Shah. Yeah the US has a great track record with Arab countries-betting on the wrong horse every time.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
8:24 am

I have not heard a single protester from Egypt proclaim that they were inspired by the US’s activities in Iraq. However, I did note some animosity from them when they saw those tear gas canisters used against them were made in the USA.

AmVet

January 31st, 2011
8:27 am

Peadawg, to that point that immediately follows yours, it is an utterly failed concept from the 18th century, particularly when the goal is to “spread” it to countries that have no earthly intention of implementing it.

Oh, and there is that nasty little bit about all those American lives needlessly wasted in the process…

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
8:29 am

I heard the protesters in Egypt were calling for a liberal democratic government. I guess that blows any chances of them getting Republican support.

stands for decibels

January 31st, 2011
8:29 am

Too bad Ronnie could not add community organizer to his list of accomplishments as Obama did.

A corporate community organizer, perhaps?

Normal

January 31st, 2011
8:29 am

Paul,
I’m all for for DoD cuts when it comes to Tanks, planes, and ships. I am NOT for cuts when it comes to our vererans and their health or any other bebefit for any reason.

jt

January 31st, 2011
8:30 am

TaxPayer

compare body counts.

There are leaders and there are “defense” industry quislings.

Normal

January 31st, 2011
8:32 am

The US trying to spread democracy is like Babtists trying to spread religion…both gets doors stut in their face…just sayin’

Paul

January 31st, 2011
8:32 am

AmVet

To clarify: wounded vets is one thing. But to use that line anything related to Defense comes up – as it usually is – is something else.

On a more to the point level, I do like that line you referenced. We can sure do a lot more to reduce the number of injured vets we produce.

independent thinker

“And then there are those fanatic mujhadeen we brought to power in Afghanistan ie the Taliban.”

You may want to take another look at that. Many would say they emerged from the Soviet occupation and took power independent of the US. We did give arms to resistance groups – the one most often cited as successful because of our antiair supplies was al Qaeda. Taliban became the government and was inward-looking while AQ continued its jihadist philosophy against area regimes and the West and was given sanctuary in Afg by the Taliban.

Paul

January 31st, 2011
8:36 am

Normal

I rather think vets are going to end up paying more for their health insurance – SecDef Gates said it’s eating their lunch. Just read where premiums for vet families on Tricare may rise to one or two thousand a year. That’s probably reasonable – I understand premiums have been constant since the 90s. But vet retired groups have launched a full-fledged campaign against any increases. Rather reminds me of NRA tactics – treat everything as pivotal and compromise on nothing. I think that’ll work against them.

buck@gon

January 31st, 2011
8:36 am

“To claim that they are instead taking such risks because they were inspired by the U.S. invasion of Iraq nine years ago is to attempt to rob them of credit for their own bravery. It is an act of theft by people who sit thousands of miles away in perfect safety, trying to boost their own self-regard by wrapping themselves in the courage of others.”

Oh BROTHER! Jay, you have some sort of conservative derangement syndrome. You have Jay Nordlinger for the right, and yet we have Chris Matthews on the left saying that essentially (to paraphrase), “the Iraqi War and the lies about weapons of mass destruction was not necessary because this revolution would have happened anyway.” Of course, J B is going to knock the reasonable conservative point of view and not mention the bilious kooky liberal one. (nothing to see here folks)

Wait just a minute Chris, Jay and Jay! We don’t know the final outcome of this revolution yet. If Egypt turns out to be a Muslim Brotherhood (ie., Islamic fundamentalist (iie., “bad guys”)) then yes, Matthews may have a point. Iraq may have been taken over by Iranian types of mullahs. If however, Egypt develops freedom, then it is much more likely that Nordlinger will be proven right–that freedom encourages courage for freedom.

Well, credit goes to you JB for not mentioning wmd or your once looney PNAC rant–now in the ash-heep of columns. You need to work on that derangement though. I recommend therapy.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2011
8:36 am

compare body counts.

I heard GW’s body count in Iraq was pretty hefty for both the US and Iraq. Then again, you know how those people on websites are. They’ll post anything. I mean, how could anyone possibly know how many people died from just one of those bunker busters, for example. I have seen pictures and I could not distinquish between pulverized brick and powdered bone myself. How about you.

Mick

January 31st, 2011
8:45 am

Place a tax on all the war profiteers such as haliburton and friends for our courageous veterans long term care.

jt

January 31st, 2011
8:48 am

stands for decibels

Ronnie was right about Government’s involvement in our medical system.

You know it deep down inside,
Sir Ronald Reagan was the last decent good guy to inhabit the Whitehouse.

I understand that progressives everywhere believe that a strong centralized authoritarian government can be a force for positive achievements. In short, you believe in “good government”, as you ignore ALL history. In order to realize this impossible goal , you MUST tear down the man that uttered “government is not the answer to our problems,
government
IS,
the problem.

The first step to solving your problem is to admit that you have the problem.

The same logic/history used in Lincoln being the great Emancipator while enslaving us all is being used to tear down Sir Ronald Reagan as he tried to warn America about Washington.

You are better and smarter than that.

Make three Hail Ronnies,
and a Ron Paul contribution.

You’ll be alright.

Paul

January 31st, 2011
8:49 am

Mick

So medical supply companies provide drugs, operating room equipment, physical therapy and rehab equipment, etc. They’re profiting – tax them, too?

Lots of small businesses provide food for the dining halls, equipment for the morale and welfare activities – tax them, too?

Normal

January 31st, 2011
8:51 am

Paul,
Tricare doesn’t want to pay for Post Stress Syndrone or for brain damage rehab. That is the real reason they are trying to raise premiums. I see no reason why the money for one less f-35, or CVN
couldn’t help pay for that.

stands for decibels

January 31st, 2011
8:54 am

You know it deep down inside,
Sir Ronald Reagan was the last decent good guy to inhabit the Whitehouse.

What have I ever posted here that would lead you to believe such a thing about me?

Frankly, I find your unalloyed love for this former President to be somewhat comical.

Left wing management

January 31st, 2011
8:55 am

Here’s neo-con John Bolton a couple of days ago on the demonstrations in Egypt:

I don’t think we have evidence yet that these demonstrations are necessarily about democracy. You know the old saying, “one person, one vote, one time.” The Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t care about democracy, if they get into power you’re not going to have free and fair elections either.

I don’t know about you but it sounds like the neo-cons are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Bolton criticizes the Obama administration, saying: “Those statements have been mush. I mean this is a case where we are far better advised to remain silent, try to understand better what’s going on, what the stakes are, rather than making statements that other people are parsing to say, “oh, they are supporting the demonstrators,” “oh, they are supporting the government.” I think there is confusion inside the administration.”

But Bolton is being disingenuous here. Surely he realizes that silence from the US administration would be even more deafening than the timid murmurings we’ve heard from them thus far.

But here’s where Bolton shows his (and the neo-cons) real colors:

I think there is a lot of opposition to the regime and a lot of opposition by the Muslim Brotherhood that is determined to bring down this secular military government, and install one of very harsh Sharia law, which would have enormous implications for the United States, for Israel, for other Arab governments in the region.

@@

January 31st, 2011
8:58 am

The call by so called ‘April 6 Shabab Movement’ came as an indefinite countrywide strike gripped the nation paralysing all essential services, including government offices, banks and trading centres.

As the oust Mubarak campaign gained strength, American and other world leaders ramped up pressure calling for an-orderly transition in the violence rocked country.

The ‘Shabab’ movement which has been formed of all opposition groups and the leaders declared that the march would start from Tahrir or Liberation Square and was aimed at forcing Mubarak to step down by Friday.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/egypt-protesters-serve-ultimatum-to-mubarak/142015-2.html

I know “shabab” means youth, but Geez….Shabab? Should’ve contemplated a bit longer before adopting that one.

Paul

January 31st, 2011
8:59 am

Normal

I think Tricare’s dropped the ball on a number of the direct-battle injuries you cited. My point was more to the vast bulk of retirees who have nothing combat or service-connected – just the normal costs associated with an aging population. I believe costs associated with that pool are quite a bit higher – given that they comprise about 9 million people.