Mere presence of a gay group enough to make some conservatives flee
Conservative opposition to gay rights is certainly nothing new. In the minds of many on the right, a call for equal rights for gay Americans gets translated into an appeal for “special rights” that ought to be rejected, and it’s been that way since the days of Anita Bryant and before.
But I’m honestly dismayed and surprised to learn just how deep that antipathy still runs.
Earlier this year, organizers of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference agreed to open its doors to GOProud, a group of gay Republicans billing itself as a conservative alternative to the Log Cabin Republicans. The CPAC event is a highlight of the conservative political year, with thousands of activists from around the country traveling to Washington to meet and network.
GOProud is not exactly loud and proud. The group’s home page contains not a word about gay rights. Click on “About GOProud,” and there’s still no mention of a single gay-rights issue. Instead, you read that “GOProud is committed to a traditional conservative agenda that emphasizes limited government, individual liberty, free markets and a confident foreign policy. GOProud promotes our traditional conservative agenda by influencing politics and policy at the federal level.”
In other words, these are not people likely to be making out in the convention hall or waving rainbow flags.
Nonetheless, their mere presence at this year’s CPAC is causing a serious rift in conservative circles. Longtime stalwarts of the movement and the conference, including the Family Research Council, Jerry Falwall’s Liberty University and even the mainstream conservative Heritage Foundation are refusing to participate this year. Sen. Jim DeMint has also made it clear that he will not attend. As The New York Times reports, “Former Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska has not responded to an invitation to speak. Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, has in the past criticized CPAC for being too “libertarian.” He declined to comment for this article but will also not attend.”
“Conservatives and homosexuals cannot coexist in a movement predicated on social values,” Family Research Council President Tony Perkins wrote last year in an e-mail to supporters. “Organizations whose whole reason for existence is to promote the forced public affirmation of homosexual conduct should not be welcomed at CPAC.”
To its credit, the American Conservative Union, which sponsors CPAC, is sticking by its decision despite the risk that attendees might be infected by gay cooties. Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, among others, still plan to attend. Mary Matalin is hosting a GOProud fundraiser at her Alexandria home.
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Observer
January 28th, 2011
9:55 am
1st??
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:00 am
Dadgummit. We had One Hour and Seven Minutes to discuss a seriously important local issue. But now we’re back to distracting national stuff…..
Observer
January 28th, 2011
10:01 am
It just amazes me if you are Gay and Republican, maybe someone can explain it to me. Oh I know maybe it’s the Family Values, or small government, or, or , or………keep the blinders on and maybe one day you will be accepted by the “Conservatives” your party.
Adam
January 28th, 2011
10:02 am
I saw an interview of one of the GOProud guys who claims that liberal policies are ALL BAD for gay people and couples and that conservative policies are GOOD for gay people and couples.
On what planet does THAT make sense?
Adam
January 28th, 2011
10:06 am
Observer: I can get being gay and republican, or black and republican. The problem comes when you say that the policies are ALL good on the republican side for those groups, and saying anything non-Republican is ALL bad for those groups. I would think they would be all “everything is good, EXCEPT for these couple of small things that we plan to change their minds about.” But the whole argument within the party thing isn’t exactly in the GOP DNA.
barking frog
January 28th, 2011
10:08 am
If more were sexing instead of talking about it, this would be a happier world.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
10:08 am
“Conservative opposition to gay rights is certainly nothing new.”
…Add civil rights to it also; now gay people know how black people, Hispanics, Muslims, and other ethnic minorities feel!!!
Del
January 28th, 2011
10:09 am
Jay, I know that it’s difficult for you to understand but conservatives don’t go in lock step on every trivial issue. I know the lemming mentality is pretty much demanded on the left in order to be accepted but we don’t see it that way.
md
January 28th, 2011
10:11 am
No different than those on the left refusing to change the definition that allows the wee ones equal rights……..wrong is wrong…….but sure is nice to have a definition make one “right”.
Drive by/
Keep up the good fight!
January 28th, 2011
10:12 am
Lemmings on the left — nice unsupported claim without sensibility.
Libertarian
January 28th, 2011
10:12 am
“In other words, these are not people likely to be making out in the convention hall or waving rainbow flags.”
Um, do straight people make out in the convention hall?
Huckabee, Palin, and all those religious loons give conservatives a bad name. People always like to talk about “extreme” Muslims…well, Jerry Falwell, Tony Perkins, Huckabee, etc. are “extreme” Republicans. There are also some “extreme” dems. I’m not into extremes.
mike "hussein" smith
January 28th, 2011
10:12 am
The problem with conservatism is that it is being espoused by too many people who have absolutely no idea what conservatism is all about. They want to banish gays — i.e., destroy personal liberty — and cling to a one-size-fits all religiosity that should be no part of government policy. They believe in freedoms only for certain people, not all.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
10:14 am
Adam – It makes sense to some regressives I guess, Normal people not so much
retired early
January 28th, 2011
10:14 am
Off topic…
During the state of the union speech, did anyone else think Obama’s reference to Boehner’s childhood and the America Dream being there for a young boy who…”swept the floor of his father’s store…” was an effort to get him to “tear up”…and he almost did. Anyone…I thought it was a hoot.
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:15 am
Libertarian 10:12 – I just had a flashback to the Al-Tipper kiss…. blah
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
10:20 am
“despite the risk that attendees might be infected by gay cooties.” – LAMO! Love that line, Jay.
BTW, thanks Obama. My taxes went up $30 from last month!
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:20 am
On topic (previous blog page). Options for offering a check to mayoral authority.
1. Make the BOE powerless but keep them around to provide approval of the mayor’s choice for Supe.
2. Provide approval right of Mayor’s supe choice to the State Superintendent.
3. Approval rights with Governor’s office.
4. Approval rights vested with City Council.
A variety of ways to protect us against a Campbell administration exist. Which alternative is better, I don’t know. I do know we don’t need the BOE and their shenanigans.
Observer
January 28th, 2011
10:20 am
retired early,
He almost got him….lol.
Keep up the good fight!
January 28th, 2011
10:23 am
Observer and Adam…I dont always understand how someone can be gay and Republican if it is a single issue. But I do understand that politics is about a mix of issues, although many groups like to make elections seem a single issue. What confuses me is that if you are gay, you have a party whose stated official platform is to keep you from having equal non-religious rights. How that cannot be one of those issues at the top of your core principles to reject the Republicans is definitely confusing.
Patrick
January 28th, 2011
10:26 am
I am gay and have never understood how other gays could ever support the Republicans, even if they have fiscally conservative ideals. I guess maybe they disaprove of their own lifestyles and enjoy thinking of themselves as second-class citizens…
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:26 am
Darnit. Rahmbo’s back on the Chicago ballot….
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
10:27 am
md@10:11 am
No different than those on the left refusing to change the definition that allows the wee ones equal rights…….
________________
The regressives talk about the progressives wanting to legalize the illegal immigrants to get their vote.
Now I guess the regressives want to get the vote of the infants (wee ones) I guess they need a new generation to offset the one that is dying of old age
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
10:27 am
“It just amazes me if you are Gay and Republican, maybe someone can explain it to me.”
well said, and I struggle with the same question in relation to people with brains and who are democrats.
Observer
January 28th, 2011
10:28 am
keep up,
I understand the “mix of issues” but shouldn’t it comeback to….. do the group as a whole care about my core issues and if they are hostile to those issues??? Do we have any Gay Republicans on this thread that caould enlighten me??
Ragnar Danneskjöld
January 28th, 2011
10:29 am
Good morning all. I suspect our homosexual friends have more reason than most to oppose government control of our lives. The few homosexuals I know seem to prefer freedom to rights.
Once did an economic research project, on employment discrimination and homosexuals. Never would have crossed my mind, but a homosexual friend urged me to explore whether homosexuals “benefit disproportionately” from homosexual relations. And indeed, the striking finding in the research was that almost all of the homosexuals interviewed identified specific instances where their homosexuality was a benefit in obtaining a job – sort of a “linked-in” with benefits I guess – and almost none identified an instance where they suffered an adverse job action due to sexual preference. Our ultimate finding – which admittedly had irreconcilable survey flaws – was that employment discrimination against homosexuals is a rare event. Seemingly, outside government, results matter more than “who you are.”
@@
January 28th, 2011
10:36 am
I don’t know how these things work, but how about everyone just show up with a name tag instead of a label.
Good on those who plan to attend.
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:37 am
“people with brains and who are democrats.”
I think I met one in 1995. I once saw the endangered snow leopard as well. Those suckers are hard to find.
Bosch
January 28th, 2011
10:37 am
“these are not people likely to be making out in the convention hall or waving rainbow flags.”
Because we all know that all gay people do that
Now….to read the rest.
thomas
January 28th, 2011
10:37 am
Patrick
January 28th, 2011
10:26 am
maybe because some gays and lesibians have decided to think for themselves and not be told who “likes them”. But instead who or what is better for their personal interest.
Actions sometimes speak louder than words.
http://www.red-alerts.com/comintern/goproud-the-democrats-health-care-bill-will-discriminate-against-gays/
“GOProud: The Democrats’ Health Care Bill Will Discriminate Against Gays”
let me guess though only because the republicans will make it do so.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
10:38 am
The FRC folks were worried that the GOProud folks were going to jump out of the closet at them yelling “Booga-booga-booga!!!”
Just wanted to give you that visual for Friday morning.
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:38 am
Ford’s earnings went over like a lead balloon….
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ig&q=NYSE:F
Bosch
January 28th, 2011
10:38 am
” might be infected by gay cooties”
Damn Jay, that was my last sip of coffee too.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
10:39 am
“these are not people likely to be making out in the convention hall or waving rainbow flags.”
Then how are we supposed to tell them apart from the straight ones?
kayaker 71
January 28th, 2011
10:39 am
Where’s CT this morning?
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:41 am
Current Events…. Viva la Revolucion. In Egypt.
I don’t know if these folks are protesting for democracy or not, that doesn’t exactly seem to be the case… but if they are, I hope they win.
We should just send a memo saying, in effect, “Go Democracy! But if you elect islamists and engage in repression of your people and militant acts toward your neighbors, we will mess you up.”
Bosch
January 28th, 2011
10:41 am
” I know the lemming mentality is pretty much demanded on the left in order to be accepted ”
Yeah, Del, because as we’ve seen with issues such as health care reform, Democrats are all in agreement….
Damn, man, do you THINK before you type?
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
10:43 am
Does penicillin cure “gay cooties” or does it simply mask the symptoms. And if one catches the “gay cooties” do they suddenly dress better?
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:44 am
Egypt.
“As in many other countries across the Middle East, Egyptians are frustrated over surging prices, unemployment and an authoritarian government that tolerates little dissent.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/27/us-egypt-protest-idUSTRE70O3UW20110127
In other words, they’re not fighting for self determination…. boooo
jm
January 28th, 2011
10:47 am
Of note for budding exporters. China loves da Chicken.
McDonald’s No Match for KFC in China as Colonel Rules Fast Food
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601010&sid=aYfUOqX9VUa0
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
10:47 am
and why do females who catch “gay cooties” suddenly have the urge to go out and buy a subaru?
HDB
January 28th, 2011
10:48 am
Bosch
January 28th, 2011
10:41 am
Bosch…what Del SHOULD’VE said is this:
” I know the lemming mentality is pretty much demanded on the RIGHT in order to be accepted: loyalty oaths, discrimination against gays…particularly marriage, Muslims, black people, and Hispanics. ”
There’s more proof of that, isn’t there??
Jefferson
January 28th, 2011
10:51 am
All one has to do is treat everybody the same and fair, black and yellow, red and white.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
10:52 am
““It just amazes me if you are Gay and Republican, maybe someone can explain it to me.””
Good question. I wouldn’t mind knowing how you can call yourself a Christian and be a liberal Democrat. Anyone?
T
January 28th, 2011
10:52 am
“The FRC folks were worried that the GOProud folks were going to jump out of the closet at them yelling “Booga-booga-booga!!!”
Now that was funny!!!!
smooveb
January 28th, 2011
10:52 am
“We’re being denied the same rights as heterosexuals. This is unconstitutional discrimination.”
There are two complaints here. First, homosexuals don’t have the same legal liberties heterosexuals have. Second, homosexual couples don’t have the same legal benefits as married couples.
The first charge is simply false. Any homosexual can marry in any state of the Union and receive every one of the privileges and benefits of state-sanctioned matrimony. He just cannot marry someone of the same sex. These are rights and restrictions all citizens share equally.
I realize that for homosexuals this is a profoundly unsatisfying response, but it is a legitimate one, nonetheless.
The second complaint is more substantial. It’s true that homosexual couples do not have the same legal benefits as married heterosexuals regarding taxation, family leave, health care, hospital visitation, inheritance, etc. However, no other non-marital relationships between individuals–non-gay brothers, a pair of spinsters, college roommates, fraternity brothers–share those benefits, either. Why should they?
If homosexual couples face “unequal protection” in this area, so does every other pair of unmarried citizens who have deep, loving commitments to each other. Why should gays get preferential treatment just because they are sexually involved?
The government gives special benefits to marriages and not to others for good reason. It’s not because they involve long-term, loving, committed relationships. Many others qualify there. It’s because they involve children. Inheritance rights flow naturally to progeny. Tax relief for families eases the financial burden children make on paychecks. Insurance policies reflect the unique relationship between a wage earner and his or her dependents (if Mom stays home to care for kids, she–and they–are still covered).
These circumstances, inherent to families, simply are not intrinsic to other relationships, as a rule, including homosexual ones. There is no obligation for government to give every human coupling the same entitlements simply to “stabilize” the relationship. The unique benefits of marriage fit its unique purpose. Marriage is not meant to be a shortcut to group insurance rates or tax relief. It’s meant to build families.
Bill Orvis White
January 28th, 2011
10:53 am
Everyone knows that I’m not politically correct, but I have to say my part here. It’s well known that the homosexual lifestyle is one of the many sins included in the Bible. With that written, we must move beyond that fact and accept these sinners with a whole heart. In the case of the GOProud folk, there about 75 percent there so those of us in the conservative movement have to find ways to work on that 25 percent. We failed for many years on that account because we have fallen into the incorrect mindset that the gay lifestyle is not a psychological problem wrought with scores of health concerns and unlimited debauchery. One needs to only look at 1970s New York City and 70s and 80s bathhouses in San Francisco.
OK, what do we in the conservative movement do? The answer is in the church. All churches need to have programs to help sexual sinners on all levels whether homosexual or heterosexual deviants.
I have no idea why you secular progressives on this board say that sexual deviancy and minorities are the same thing. What? WE THE PEOPLE in the Republican Party welcome minorities of all stripes. Look at Condy Rice, Alan Keyes and Herman Cain. I could go on and on.
It’s a fact that you liberals are misinformed beyond capacity. We do not hate homosexuals at all. We welcome them into our fold. It’s just their unhealthy lifestyle that we disagree with and it’s a fact that they can get help in the churches. We became such a spineless society that has given in to quacks like Dr. Spock, Dr. Sears and many others who spoon fed us progressive psychological rooted in emotion rather than cold hard logic. This why I praise Dr. Laura who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.
Amen,
Bill
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
10:53 am
All one has to do is treat everybody the same and fair, black and yellow, red and white.
——–
Well that leaves out Boehner
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 28th, 2011
10:54 am
Well, the way gays can get in good with godly Republicans is . . . suprize!. . . stop being gay. I figure the gays that plan to go to this Republican shindig done it, so all the gays can do it. There ain’t nothing wrong with being gay, long as you stop being that way. I mean, all of us got to overcome a problem once in awhile.
Now that you got the solution to that problem, Bookman can go on with another topic. Have a good day everybody.
Disgusted
January 28th, 2011
10:56 am
This why I praise Dr. Laura who isn’t afraid to tell the truth.
Is this the same Dr. Laura whose nude, provocative pictures are plastered all over the Internet?
Gotcha!
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
10:57 am
I wouldn’t mind knowing how you can call yourself a Christian and be a liberal Democrat
Peadawg doesn’t get that Jesus was a liberal.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
10:58 am
these are not people likely to be making out in the convention hall or waving rainbow flags.
yebbut they’ve got Andy Breitbart on their advisory council, which is basically the same thing…
Harry Callahan
January 28th, 2011
10:59 am
We won’t make it to page 2 before someone blames this on Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, or the Bush tax cuts.
StJ
January 28th, 2011
11:01 am
“GOProud is committed to a traditional conservative agenda that emphasizes limited government, individual liberty, free markets and a confident foreign policy.”
Which is all fine and good, but part of the GOP is there because they’re socially conervative. That and other factors lead me to believe we are headed for a three-party system before too long.
Marietta
January 28th, 2011
11:01 am
The Democrat party relies on victims. They have dangled the carrots in front of the gay community (and many other groups) for years, and the gay community follows right along with only the promise of a better day. And nothing ever happens. Shoot, even Barney Frank was apprehensive about repealing DADT! Meanwhile, our country is going down the tubes with debt, taxes, unemployment, unchecked illegal immigration and more intrusive regulations. If you want to march off that cliff with your single-issue view, then enjoy the trip. I rather have a prosperous safe, secure country FIRST with less intrusion into my life and my bank account, then I’ll worry whether or not my relationship is validated by the government. I won’t be a single issue victim; my country is more important.
It is unfortunate that “conservative” implies “socially conservative” or “Christian conservative”. Being fiscally conservative or Constitutionally conservative is much more important. It is also unfortunate that “liberal” implies “Socialist”, because socialism is unAmerican.
kitty
January 28th, 2011
11:02 am
Bill Orvis, Dr Laura tells the truth but she doesn’t have any problem with gays. I listen to her often. BTW she isn’t christian….she is jewish…you aware of that?
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2011
11:04 am
“The Democrat party”
There’s no such thing.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:05 am
stands for decibels @ 10:58,
Hahahaha!
I hate to see these Nice Gay Men make fools of themselves this way, compromising themselves in a desperate feeble attempt to be liked by the people who reject them, thinking maybe if they just…try… a litte bit harder… and agree with the meanies, it will be enough; they’ll finally be accepted by those who scorned them. I understand this desire, but it never works, and they’re only creating more heartache for themselves. Gentlemen: Not everyone is going to like you. It’s OKAY. Let it go. **hugs!**
Joe Cool
January 28th, 2011
11:06 am
Im curious, what have the Rep. done for gay rights in the last 5 years? 10 years? And please list source.
tks
thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:07 am
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2011
11:04 am
yes there is has been an accepted epithet used against members of the democratic party since around 1940.
It may not be the correct term, but there is such a thing.
Tommy Maddox
January 28th, 2011
11:08 am
ByteMe @ 10:57 – Jesus was a liberal?
I suppose the publisher left that abortion business out of the New International Version.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
11:08 am
smooveb
January 28th, 2011
10:52 am
“Any homosexual can marry in any state of the Union and receive every one of the privileges and benefits of state-sanctioned matrimony. He just cannot marry someone of the same sex. These are rights and restrictions all citizens share equally.”
That’s FALSE; there are 5 states and the District of Columbia where same-sex marriage IS legal. Since it is legal in those states, by the US CONSTITUTION, those marriages must be recognized in ALL 50 states!! The problem is that these committed couples are being DENIED their Constitutional protections due to the mindset of those who persist in discrimination!!
“It’s true that MARRIED homosexual couples do not have the same legal benefits as married heterosexuals regarding taxation, family leave, health care, hospital visitation, inheritance, etc. However, no other marital relationships between individuals are DENIED those benefits, either. Why shouldn’t they?”
There…fixed the question……
Joe Cool
January 28th, 2011
11:11 am
“It’s just their unhealthy lifestyle that we disagree with and it’s a fact that they can get help in the churches.”
WOW, Rep’s and their use of the word “fact”!
Secondly, them going to YOUR church will all of a sudden make them NOT gay?
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2011
11:13 am
“t may not be the correct term, but there is such a thing”
Nope, there isn’t. I don’t refer to the Republicans as, for instance, the “Republic party” and I don’t read anything posted by anyone who says “Democrat party”
Jefferson
January 28th, 2011
11:14 am
Blaming Bush for the shape the US is in is caused by the fact that it is true. Look before and after — its like those meth teeth photos. To be fair to the ex President, his congresses went along with him.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:14 am
HDB 11:08 – wow. I had no idea we had a constitutional law professor blogging away on this board….
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:15 am
Ignorance and fear runs abound. Such a dangerous mix. Clearly religious conservatives are stirring this pot. Keep on repressing people and their freedoms and there will be another full scale civil rights movement.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:16 am
It’s funny how some people bitterly protest government intrustion into their lives, but have no problem with churches making the rules for everybody (via government), whether those people care about the church’s opinion or not. Okay, maybe it’s more sad than funny.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:16 am
Bosch
For your 10:41, all you needed to say was…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-OkHz2Lmy0&NR=1
kayaker 71
January 28th, 2011
11:18 am
When my pet goat and I talked it over, we decided waving a flag in a Republican convention wasn’t a very good idea. Somehow, we didn’t think that that would make him more accepted, especially by the Republicans. Since his retirement from the military, he has gotten a lot more aware of our future. He says that when he inherits my 401K, he wants to donate it to Sister Sarah’s campaign for President. I think that he might be straying a bit. He keeps watching Discovering Alaska over and over and I think that his obsession about our relationship is taking a back seat. Must be when Sister Sarah reveals her backside. That might make most anyone have second thoughts.
Bill Orvis White
January 28th, 2011
11:20 am
@kitty
Dr. Laura is against debauchery. For a great Hebrew perspective on the gays’ unhealthy lifestyle, look no further than columnist Don Feder’s catalog.
God Bless,
Bill
Dudley
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
I will never understand why people can’t just live and let live, must be a self esteem issue, don’t want anyone to be happy in their own lives
Disgusted
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
I don’t refer to the Republicans as, for instance, the “Republic party” and I don’t read anything posted by anyone who says “Democrat party”
Don’t worry about it, Doggone. “Democrat party” is a gift left by Newt & Co. They didn’t want to give Democrats credit for anything positive by using an adjective live Democratic, and their mindless followers are acting accordingly. It is quite literally a slur that’s self-perpetuating.
RAMBLE ON!!!
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
“I couldn’t help but chuckle, though,”
That’s ironic Jay, I can’t help but chuckle every time you use the NYT’s as a resource (see Jayson Blair).
The National Enquire has more credibility (see John Edwards)
Deep Throat
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
GOP bashing is nothing new to Jay.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
I see it didn’t take too long for this to fall down the rabbit hole.
What’s wrong with America is that we’re so damned focused on pointing out other people’s flaws, that you don’t recognize your own. Whether you believe in Jesus, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Bless his Noodly Appendages)… I don’t know of any single religion where you can die yourself and save someone else’s soul. There’s one guy who’s already done that, and unless you’re his return, you should worry more about your personal salvation than anyone else’s. I don’t think St. Peter or anyone else declares you guilty by association. I thought that in the afterlife, you’re judged on YOUR OWN deeds.
We’re all American. Whether we’re short or tall, black or white, male or female, straight or gay, or any other friggin’ label you want to put on yourself. People need to give up the judging lest ye are willing to be judged yourself. As far as I know, nobody here on Earth has presented themselves to be the “Ultimate Judge”, so let the sanctimonious BS go!! Please??
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
UhOh Kayakker has been watching Nailin Palin again (with his pet goat) LOL
Dudley
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
Dr Laura, the adulteress with the neckid pics taken by a man not her husband? That’s a great moral leader ther bo
straight not narrow
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
Bill Orvis White, don’t be an ignorant boob. Genetics means there is no “gay lifestyle”, it’s not learned behavior. Either you’re gay or you ain’t, end of story.
Robert
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
The internet photo’s of Dr. Laura Schelessinger spread eagle is enough to make most conservative men bat for the other team. Nasty, nasty, nasty. She should be ashamed of herself.
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
“It is quite literally a slur that’s self-perpetuating”
And actually…it’s quite useful. I know that when someone starts off using that term that they have nothing of value to say. So I don’t have to waste my time reading any further.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
11:24 am
Ignorance and fear runs abound. Such a dangerous mix.
see also this:
http://www.livescience.com/culture/biology-teachers-avoid-evolution-stance-with-students-110127.html
(more of a topic for downstairs, but what the heck, it’s all related, really.)
HDB
January 28th, 2011
11:24 am
Marietta
January 28th, 2011
11:01 am
“I’ll worry whether or not my relationship is validated by the government. I won’t be a single issue victim; my country is more important.”
That singular attitude is what made segregation disappear; at points, a singular attitude MADE the nation better AND freer!! If ONE segment of the nation is being DENIED its rights….how important can that country be in the grander scheme of things!! Note what happens when ONE particular issue is corrected or addressed; ALL things are made better in its own way!!
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:24 am
I think Obama and Biden just threw “freedom” under the bus…..
Biden: Mubarak Should Not Step Down
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/28/biden-mubarak-step/
retired early
January 28th, 2011
11:24 am
Bill White
You just can’t help yourself…can you. Your post could almost be a “redneck Convert”, “Tongue in cheek”…but no….I think you believe what you say. Oh well…
It’s a free country…
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:24 am
I suppose the publisher left that abortion business out of the New International Version.
Or perhaps Jesus, the one who hung out with prostitutes and the dregs of society, had nothing to say on the topic.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:25 am
What a bunch of BS.
“I would not refer to him as a dictator,” Biden said on PBS’ NewsHour.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/28/biden-mubarak-step/#ixzz1CLdNmxao
Judge Wapner
January 28th, 2011
11:25 am
Who’s not the ultimate judge?
HDB
January 28th, 2011
11:26 am
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:14 am
“HDB 11:08 – wow. I had no idea we had a constitutional law professor blogging away on this board….”
Not quite….have studied law…..but I did stay at a Holiday Inn………
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:27 am
“Genetics means there is no “gay lifestyle”, it’s not learned behavior. Either you’re gay or you ain’t, end of story.”
You got proof that there’s a “gay gene”? B/c I believe they’re still looking for it.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:27 am
Mubarak is collecting on some of the “loans” he’s made…. peace with Israel, etc., now time to pay me back. Back me up, even though I’m a dictator…. realpolitik yuck
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:27 am
HDB: What he was trying to say was “Don’t confuse how I feel with facts!”
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
11:28 am
“Who’s not the ultimate judge?”
Simon Cowell…he left american idol.
Native Atlantan
January 28th, 2011
11:28 am
@Peadog….and my paycheck went up $200….thanks Obama…
Bevis
January 28th, 2011
11:28 am
If you are a closet dwelling, self hating gay person……..you just might be a Republican.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:29 am
You got proof that there’s a “gay gene”?
You think it’s just one, huh? How limiting to think that way.
JohnnyReb
January 28th, 2011
11:29 am
CPAC made a mistake. There is enough disagreement between Conservative elites and Tea Party supporters without forcing a gay rights issue. The result of CPAC’s stupidity is evident in that they are separating Conservative supporters and given the Left an issue on which to howl. If I was involved with CPAC, I would be looking for the Democratic plant.
GodisanAtheist
January 28th, 2011
11:29 am
Jesus was gay, and black and an alcoholic.
Real American
January 28th, 2011
11:29 am
Thank you President Obama, eliminating dont ask dont tell, George W wouldnot even adress the issue:
Dick hypocrite Chaney has a gay daughter but was silent, President Obama had the guts to stand by his promise in the campaign.
Greatest President of our life time.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:30 am
“You think it’s just one, huh?”
Nope. I don’t think there’s any at all. Until science proves otherwise…which I doubt they ever will.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:30 am
There is enough disagreement between Conservative elites and Tea Party supporters without forcing a gay rights issue.
You mean like the issue was forced on the electorate to help the Republicans in 2002 and 2004?
thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:31 am
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
But your original claim was that there was no such thing.
Obviously thee is such a thing you just do not agree with it.
Do you also discount all post using teabaggers, or the other epithets used by those with whom you agree more politically?
Tommy Maddox
January 28th, 2011
11:31 am
Heh heh – PUNT. Nice try.
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
11:31 am
So “Real American” is two years old?
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:32 am
I don’t think there’s any at all. Until science proves otherwise…which I doubt they ever will
Like science can’t “prove” gravity either, huh? How limiting to think that way.
Joe the paleo-neo-Plutoctrat
January 28th, 2011
11:32 am
this blog is a riot. it’s very simple, sexuality and ideology are mutually exclusive. why is it hard for a Bible-thumping, nake-juggling Christian conservative to accept the reality of non-Bible-thumping, non-snake-juggling, non-Christian conservatives? is it me, or does this whole discussion scream “delusional”? it’s like a 5 year-old placing his hands over his ears, closing his eyes and screaming; “blah, blah, blah, blah”. again, it’s infantile. a person is free to believe in god (or not believe in god). a person is free to join the GOP, tea party or DNC, and embrace (or reject) whatever ideology they choose. but the idea that people refuse to accept the existence of others (often within the same political herd), is again, a close-minded and juvenile world view.
RAMBLE ON!!!
January 28th, 2011
11:33 am
“Greatest President of our life time”
dumbest thing I’ve every heard, unless you’re a member of the Black Panthers.
joe
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
BFD…as time marches on, these type things won’t even be a blip on the radar. Instead of focusing our efforts on social issues, we need to put our undivided attention on the huge debt we have hanging on our necks and how are we going to cut entitlements and other programs that receive taxpayer funds in order to cut down the debt. Cut, cut again, then cut some more. Sharpen those carving knives, baby!
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
it’s like a 5 year-old placing his hands over his ears, closing his eyes and screaming; “blah, blah, blah, blah”. again, it’s infantile. a person is free to believe in god (or not believe in god). a person is free to join the GOP, tea party or DNC, and embrace (or reject) whatever ideology they choose. but the idea that people refuse to accept the existence of others (often within the same political herd), is again, a close-minded and juvenile world view.
Repeat!
Of course, the 5-year-olds still have their hands over their ears screaming “blah blah blah blah”, so they don’t realize it’s them we’re talking about.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
” a person is free to believe in god (or not believe in god). a person is free to join the GOP, tea party or DNC, and embrace (or reject) whatever ideology they choose” – agreed. and a person is free to choose whether to be gay or straight.
Deep Throat
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
Real American, puke … gag….augh..patooey !!!!!
Dudley
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
There is a simple solution to this problem. If two consenting adults want to live their life together as a family, LET THEM!!!! Conservatives should leave people alone who are not harming themselves or others.
Atlantan
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
$14.2 trillion deficit and folks are worried about an adult’s sexual preference – we are in trouble…. Gay / straight is between you and God.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
watching Nailin Palin again (with his pet goat)
jm
I’d hold off a minute on the whole Egypt thing before passing judgement. If the uprising is, indeed, being perpetrated by the Muslim Brotherhood, it might not be a bad thing to put the protests down in a quick and friendly manner.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
11:35 am
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
Don’t forget the marinara sauce…………
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:35 am
and a person is free to choose whether to be gay or straight.
Yes, let’s ask notorious conservative Ted Haggard whether he felt free to destroy his life or whether it was something more than that.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:36 am
Joe @ 11:32
THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!!!!!
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
HDB
My bad… I haven’t had to call upon him in a while….
RAMBLE ON!!!
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
“Greatest President of our life time”
If you’re sitting at home blogging and collecting unemployment.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
Peadawg,
Why are you so obsessed with a gay man’s lack of jeans? Just curious.
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January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
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TruthBe
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST. JESUS said to “Love the sinner and hate the sin”. JESUS NEVER said to tolerant or embrace sinful and perverded behavior. HBD you should get that black racist chip off your shoulder.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
“Yes, let’s ask notorious conservative Ted Haggard whether he felt free to destroy his life or whether it was something more than that.” I’ll never understand why people choose that lifestyle either. Now when/if science ever proves otherwise, I’ll eat my words.
thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:35 am
Drug addicts don’t choose to destroy their lives and the ones around them. But they do choose to take the drug the first time. If not they should prosecute whoever injected them with the drug.
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
OK, what do we in the conservative movement do?
My suggestion is that we do what conservatives SHOULD do, which is keep our nose out of people’s private business.
The answer is in the church. All churches need to have programs to help sexual sinners on all levels whether homosexual or heterosexual deviants.
Bill–Seems to me that you are putting a lot of energy into identifying and criticizing OTHER people’s sins. Why is that?? Is that because you have no sins of your own to work on??
JohnnyReb
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
ByteMe – you are talking apples vs oranges. The top priority of Conservatives is retaining control of the House, taking control of the Senate and White House. Gay rights measured against those objectives does not even move the needle. And, letting it divide a Conservative group is stupid, period.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
Atlanta 11:34 – Amen (about the debt)
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
The problem with stories like this is how ignorance and fear is used to deny a group equal rights. Who would choose to be hated, marginalized, cast aside by some members of society, etc.? I don’t think any person would want to sit in that seat. Science will ultimately give an answer and it has already started to do so. However, as long as ignorance and fear is running unchecked, this is one group of people that will unfortunately continue to be marginalized and mistreated. The sad part is, that is history repeating itself in another form.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
11:40 am
Peadawg@11:34 am
and a person is free to choose whether to be gay or straight.
What orifice did you pull that wisdom from?
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
11:40 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST.
How about gay teachers who teach that Evilution? Is it a double-plus abomination?
Joe Cool
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
I wonder when the Gay Tea Party will be formed. LOL. Guaranteed it wont happen and they most definitly wont be showing up with flags and rainbows.
Real American
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
RAMBLE ON!!!
If most of you get out the trailer, and up grade your skills by using the money he provided for you to go to school, the day of the factory jobs are gone, we are in the 21st century.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
Who would choose to be hated, marginalized, cast aside by some members of society, etc.? I don’t think any person would want to sit in that seat.
Good point! I note, however, that there are plenty of people who choose to hate, marginalize, and cast aside other members of society. They push each other out of the way to sit in that seat! (Jesus must be so proud.)
Ragnar Danneskjöld
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
Dear HDB @ 11:08, I disagree with your Construction of the Constitution. “That’s FALSE; there are 5 states and the District of Columbia where same-sex marriage IS legal. Since it is legal in those states, by the US CONSTITUTION, those marriages must be recognized in ALL 50 states!! ” In fact, those states that created the new homosexual “marriage” laws did so in full knowledge and disregard of multiple other states’s prohibition of same. Seemingly it is the have dozen who changed in violation of the Constitution’s requirement to give full faith and credit to the actions of other states?
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST.
TruthBe–Same question for you: Is your life so perfect that you feel qualified to cast stones at others?? Maybe I’m reading between the lines, but you also seem to feel qualified to speak on the behalf of God. My recommendation to you is the same as to Bill: Focus on your own sins and quit being so hateful to others.
Fang1944
January 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Back in the 80s Tom Loeffler, W’s chief money-raiser and one-time GOP candidate for governor of Texas, was in San Francisco. Then he thought “Omigod, I’m in San Francisco,” and he put shower caps n his feet while he was in the bathroom. He was afraid of catching AIDS through his feet. True story that was all over the media.
Looks like the GOP hasn’t changed much.
Fang1944
January 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Oops: shower caps on his feet.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:43 am
ByteMe – you are talking apples vs oranges.
I’m really not Johnny. I’m saying “What goes around, comes around.” If you step back and look at it, you gotta wonder how long the tea party libertarians will put up with the social conservatives before they decide to find another place to play.
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
11:43 am
“and up grade your skills by using the money he provided for you to go to school,…”
Herein lies the problem. “money HE provided”? Good lord!
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:43 am
Matti–You got an extra pair of boots I can borrow?? The BS is running pretty deep here today…..
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
A voice of wisdom amongst the ear-splitting din of mumbo jumbo!!!!
thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
So both of you believe that skin head nazi types did not choose to hate. That it was a choice made for them.
I mean why would anyone want to be hated, marginalized, cast aside by some members of society, etc.? except it may be most members of society.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Hey Jay, last time I checked it was still America – you know the place where you can think and say what you want. Get over it.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
the new homosexual “marriage” laws
and let’s crank up the calliope, shall we?
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:45 am
@Matti: You’re right- and that’s the problem. What is driving that hate? When it boils down to it, there’s two ways to feel about something- love something or hate it. The level at which you love or hate something falls under those two categories. However, that hate is driven by the lack of understanding, compassion, empathy, etc. The lack of understanding leads to fear which ultimately leads to varying levels of hate. The progression of hate needs to be stopped and reversed.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:46 am
Drug addicts don’t choose to destroy their lives and the ones around them. But they do choose to take the drug the first time.
Having known a few addicts (including being formerly married to one), if it wasn’t drugs it would have been something else (alcohol, sex, shopping, whatever). It’s chemical and scientists are working out how to counter it now that they understand the parts of the brain that light up both before and after getting the “drug” that an addict craves.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:46 am
On the list of sh-t we need to do to fix this country, I’d put this issue somewhere down in the 20’s or 30’s…. issue number 1,… the deficits and debt…..
straight not narrow
January 28th, 2011
11:46 am
Let’s try this again. Either you are gay or you are not gay. NOBODY who isn’t wakes up one day and decides “I think I’ll be gay today”, that means you always were. Conversely if you are gay you don’t just decide “I think I’m straight now” because you never will be. You can’t change who ARE, nor should you try. Be yourself, live and let live and hope the rest of humanity will return the favor.
TruthBe
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
Dear Bruno, We all have sinned. I was simply spreading the truth. GOD’s word is the WHOLE truth. Trust GOD he will help us all. Including you and me Bruno.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST.
Really? Hmm… I thought it was an Old Testament reference. Are you sure? Can you point us to the verses (red letters in my Bible) where Jesus said that? I mean, since he wore his hair long and traveled around with a bunch of GUYS in a commune-type group, sans women and [according to some 13th-Century, well-dressed Pope] never EVER touched a (Ewwwww!) woman (hence his ongoing purity), then I’m sure he must have responded in some official way to how GAY that looks. Inquiring minds want to know!
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
And yet, Jay has found this to be a highlightable topic. I guess in the media business you have to change your drums often.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
“What orifice did you pull that wisdom from?” – The one that made to be ‘exit only’
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:48 am
that was made*
Brad
January 28th, 2011
11:48 am
Peadawg, I don’t think they’ve found the incredibly stupid ass**** gene yet, either, so I guess you just chose to be one.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:49 am
I think Peadawg just got hijacked.
Real American
January 28th, 2011
11:50 am
ty webb
You want to compete with the world in sports but not in education, but what do we expect from conservatives in Georgia, who loves being last.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:51 am
Brad @ 11:48,
Best line of the day!!!
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
“Peadawg, I don’t think they’ve found the incredibly stupid ass**** gene yet, either, so I guess you just chose to be one.” – LMAO!!! That was a good one…actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks punkin.
Brad
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
It’s too easy.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
Well, I don’t care for this copycat Bill Orvis White one bit. Get your own act, fellow.
Have a good one everybody.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
OHHHH!!!!!! We have an infraction on the play. Unsportsmanlike conduct… Unnecessary roughness on Brad @ 11:48… 15 yard penalty… Automatic 1st down.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
“Brad @ 11:48,
Best line of the day!!!”
I agree.
Joe the paleo-neo-Plutoctrat
January 28th, 2011
11:54 am
TruthBe, I’ll play along. please direct us to the Bible verse in which Jesus established the parameters of “abomination” and “perversion”. and I am anxious to know where Jesus discussed “tolerance” as it relates to not tolerating and/or embracing “sinful behavior’ (better yet, please let us know were Jesus actually connected homosexuality and “sinful behavior”. and I am not interested in what Paul, Pat Robertson, the Pope, or Jerry Falwell “thinks” or “heard” Jesus said. Peadawg, so then, what’s the issue? if people are free be choose to be gay or be straight, what difference does it make to the GOP? in fact, a person’s choice of lifestyle or behavior doesn’t even suggest he/she supports or opposes pro or anti gay policy/legislation. again, this whole thing has an Orwellian “groupthink” or “two legs good/four legs bad” aspect that seems to fly right over the head of the god-fearing, small government, personal responsibility crowd. would it be out of line to opine about a possible Charlton Heston-esque oath about “I’ll cease to be homosexual when you remove my *&^# from my boyfriend’s (or girlfriend’s) cold dead #@*^ !”?
BBOBB
January 28th, 2011
12:00 pm
HDB @ 10:08: Add civil rights to it also; now gay people know how black people, Hispanics, Muslims, and other ethnic minorities feel!!! Which civil rights are these groups denied??
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
12:11 pm
A voice of wisdom amongst the ear-splitting din of mumbo jumbo!!!
SC @ 11:44–Coming from you, that means a lot, since I consider you to be the most level-headed person on the board. The essence of conservatism is freedom, yet these religious phony-balonies don’t seem to grasp that. On a personal level, I find the more willing someone is to point fingers at others in a condemning way, the more skeletons they have in their own closet.
As for me, my own closet got so full I decided the only option was to move.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:18 pm
Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
any other questions?
E. Fix
January 28th, 2011
12:19 pm
The bible-thumpers who assume it is G-D’s will to make homosexuality a sin forget to point out the other bible-backed sexual sins such as ADULTERY that are committed by HETEROSEXUALS all the time. So, to be fair, they should start demanding the withdrawal of the heterosexual leaders within their own beloved Republican party who have cheated, plus demand that all American military personnel who have cheated be yanked from serving their country. Perhaps they don’t do this because it’s too “close to home…” Such hypocrites!
tscali
January 28th, 2011
12:23 pm
reckon these black homophobes vote democrat, bookman?
Why black church culture rejects homosexuality
keep it real bro! it’s not just conservatives.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:25 pm
The bible-thumpers who assume it is G-D’s will…I think you forgot a letter
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:29 pm
Oh and before any of you say it, I know that one sin is no worse than another sin but we are talking about homosexuality not aldultery, etc…
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:32 pm
SoCo
SC @ 11:44–Coming from you, that means a lot, since I consider you to be the most level-headed person on the board
——————————
so do we call you flathead from now on or is is young flat top
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:32 pm
is it dammit
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
Mark T@12:18 pm
I guess that includes most of the regressives and progressives in that statement.
And gee I thought I was a contender
Ramguy
January 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
@Bill Orvis White 10:53 AM
It’s well known that the homosexual lifestyle is one of the many sins included in the Bible.
Hmmmmm does that mean that you think we should stone adulterers which includes divorced people that have remarried and keeping the Sabbath?
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
Mark T@12:18 pm
I guess that includes most of the regressives and progressives in that
You can include whoever you want, I was simply answering joe the plutocrat’s request to show him where in the bible homosexuality and “sinful behavior” were connected
HDB
January 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Ragnar Danneskjöld
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
“Dear HDB @ 11:08, I disagree with your Construction of the Constitution. “That’s FALSE; there are 5 states and the District of Columbia where same-sex marriage IS legal. Since it is legal in those states, by the US CONSTITUTION, those marriages must be recognized in ALL 50 states!! ” In fact, those states that created the new homosexual “marriage” laws did so in full knowledge and disregard of multiple other states’s prohibition of same. Seemingly it is the have dozen who changed in violation of the Constitution’s requirement to give full faith and credit to the actions of other states?”
Rags…the point too many FAIL to note is the 14th Amendment:
“1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the EQUAL PROTECTION of the laws.”
Application of the 14th Amendment insures that ALL enjoy equal protection of the law; how can equal protections be applied if one group (gay people) can not be afforded the rights obtaned by marriage??
Also: Article 4, Section 1:
“Article IV – The States
Section 1 – Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”
If you want to take it even further:
“Article VI – Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
The key here is ALL treaties made; for whatever nations that have made…or WILL MAKE…treaties with the United States, those laws and contracts are to be recognized. If a nation (Canada, Netherlands) allows gay marriage, it MUST be recognized by the United States!!
Check the application of the law…..that’s what it means!!
jury Dell
January 28th, 2011
12:41 pm
A conservative gay? That’s like a gay Southern Baptist and both are a minority in the minority.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
12:42 pm
It’s also an “abomination” to wear clothes that come from more than one type of thread. Bill’s poly-cotton plaid shirt is an abomination and worthy of stoning and denying basic human rights.
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12:46 pm
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curt
January 28th, 2011
12:47 pm
Whenever the rabid right can’t logically defend their views logically or even religiously they just start foaming at the mouth about liberals. So called conservatives who are constantly using the Bible to excuse their hate need to go back and read it. We are advised there that what we do to our fellow man we also do to Christ, we’re told to feed the poor, to judge not lest we be judged, etc. Christ himself even hung out with a prostitute. How they can talk about family values while they ignore the very book they so often wave around defies me. How can a gay person can be republican after being denied a place at the table and used to get hate votes and venom like we can see above is total disrespect for oneself.
There’s nothing conservative about the bunch who use that label now. The movement has been taken over by ignorant spoiled brats who think if they shout loud enough and repeat their lies they become true.
A Day W/out Orange Juice
January 28th, 2011
12:51 pm
“But I’m honestly dismayed and surprised to learn just how deep that antipathy still runs”
You shouldn’t be. Most Americans abhor homosexuality. Many will proclaim publicly that they support gay rights out of political correctness, but they know instinctively that sex between males (or females) is unnatural and perverse.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:51 pm
curt
January 28th, 2011
12:47 pm
Whenever the rabid right can’t logically defend their views logically or even religiously they just start foaming at the mouth about liberals. So called conservatives who are constantly using the Bible to excuse their hate need to go back and read it.
Where did anybody mention hate..I dont hate gays, I just disagree with it. By your post, it sounds to me that your the one with anger issuses
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
1:02 pm
Bruno
I just call it the way I see it…
NoCom
Ewww!!! Flat top and bald??? That’s one ugly assed head. LOL!!!
Bill Orvis White
January 28th, 2011
1:02 pm
@Redneck Convert and @Ramguy
I’m committed to a Christ-centered existence and I’m on a crusade to save American from ruin.
@Ramguy
-really funny about stoning. I don’t care about being all sensitive like so many have been brainwashed to become in the past 25-30 years. It’s a fact that deviant sexual acts are sins – end of story! I’m not suggesting that anyone harm those who fall off of God’s word and participate in such vile acts. This is why house of the Lord exist. Someone up on this board wrote that you’re born that way. OK, you can overcome it if you’re born that way. In short and I get a lot of heat for this: you fix it!
Love,
Bill
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
1:03 pm
Many will proclaim publicly that they support gay rights out of political correctness, but they know instinctively that sex between males (or females) is unnatural and perverse.
And not at all fun to watch, which is why you never, ever see it in straight porn, which is only consumed by godless liberals…
oh, wait.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
1:05 pm
Many here wish to argue the moral issues pertaining to gay marriage; because of the plentitudes of positions of humans, every moral opinion would be argued by another moral opinion….and either or none could be considered correct; LEGALLY, however, is another persuasion. To deny a group the LEGAL protection of the law is more than unConstitutional…it is ALSO immoral!! To correct a wrong, a RIGHT must be invoked…or protected; that’s the Constitution…and the equal application therein!! THAT’S my point!!
Pepper Man
January 28th, 2011
1:16 pm
Why would a gay person be a Republican? Lower taxes and a more limited government (if a large percentage of those espousing limited government didn’t wish to have same government involved in our private lives) would obviously appeal to the gay population. As a group, they tend to be high income earners. To me, it’s beyond foolish when Republicans will espouse limited government and, in the same breath, want to pass laws based on religious morality.
I and my marriage are not “threatened” by the gay lifestyle. To my fellow Republicans, we took the House because of the economy and an overreaching Federal government. It was not a mandate on “conservative, social” values. Start that and we will sadly be hearing “Four more years!” in a year and a half.
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
Be Afraid, Be very Afraid, the evil Republicans are going to cut your weewee off.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
1:21 pm
BUT what about the Republican MANDATE in Nov.?
Surely it wasn’t JUST about taxes and the economy
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:23 pm
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
10:57 am
I wouldn’t mind knowing how you can call yourself a Christian and be a liberal Democrat
Peadawg doesn’t get that Jesus was a liberal.
But he wasn’t a visitor to the crusty cavity.
Darwin
January 28th, 2011
1:24 pm
Why minorities and gays want to be associated with the Republican party baffles me. Republican voting block is white straight males. There is no inclusive tent because they win elections based on who votes. The only thing I can determine when an African American or a gay votes Republican, is that they will get noticed. They are different.
Ramguy
January 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
@Bill Orvis White
It’s a fact that deviant sexual acts are sins
So you pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow?
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:26 pm
HDB
January 28th, 2011
1:05 pm
Many here wish to argue the moral issues pertaining to gay marriage; because of the plentitudes of positions of humans, every moral opinion would be argued by another moral opinion….and either or none could be considered correct; LEGALLY, however, is another persuasion. To deny a group the LEGAL protection of the law is more than unConstitutional…it is ALSO immoral!! To correct a wrong, a RIGHT must be invoked…or protected; that’s the Constitution…and the equal application therein!! THAT’S my point!!
Well the last time I checked, “Groups” are not protected by the constitution. Individual’s are protected by the constitution. A gay person has full protection under the constitution that a non-gay person has. All the gay’s seek now is a political solution to a social issue.
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:29 pm
Darwin
January 28th, 2011
1:24 pm
The only thing I can determine when an African American or a gay votes Republican, is that they will get noticed.
When someone is able to think for themselves, they will vote Republican.
Yellow Jacket
January 28th, 2011
1:30 pm
It is absolutely insane that certain people get exalted in our society because they put their parts in the wrong place…………..
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:30 pm
I consider myself a moderate, which I wish more people were, as I don’t think that any one side has all the answers, I’ll repeat that, no one side has all the answers.
I believe that everyone in our country should have the same rights, period. If somebody beats me up I consider it a hate crime, not a love crime, I want the same justice that anyone else gets in our country.
No group of peolpe, no mater who you are should have special rights. We are either in this all together or we lose.
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:31 pm
should be matter.
Yellow Jacket
January 28th, 2011
1:33 pm
Right on, poison pen.
lovelyliz
January 28th, 2011
1:34 pm
What you you discount the godly Reppublicnas who are in the closet? It’s an awfully crowded closet these days.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
1:35 pm
Ramguy
January 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
@Bill Orvis White
It’s a fact that deviant sexual acts are sins
So you pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow?
Once again…this post is about homosexuality not aldultrery murder, etc.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
Well said poison
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:37 pm
If some of you want to talk about SIN, than please throw the first stone. Hope you got that!
No Longer Republican
January 28th, 2011
1:38 pm
PeaDawg…Jesus was the ULTIMATE liberal. I am a liberal democrat now and a Christian because Jesus was all about people and not about rules and regulations. “For God sent His son into the world, not to CONDEMN the world, but that through Him, it might be saved.” Most “christians” spend a whole lot of time condemning and not saving. The Bible also talks about judging…guess what it is not YOUR place to decide who is a Christian and who is not. Get over yourself already.
lovelyliz
January 28th, 2011
1:44 pm
What’s next? Ids the Fammily Research council going to use other Old Testament abominations to put Red Lobster (Leviticus 11:9-12; Deuteronomy 14:9-10) and McDonald’s or Fox Brothers (Leviticus 11:7-8) out of business?
Should Wal-Mart and Target fear the wrath of these guys (Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 )???????
What about Newt Gingrich (Leviticus 20:10)?
David in Houston
January 28th, 2011
1:51 pm
The fact that GOProud doesn’t even mention anything about “gay issues” on their website speaks volumes. They are simply ultra-conservative wealthy (self-loathing gay) white men that care more about tax breaks for themselves, than their own civil rights. What pathetic, self-centered money-grubbing sociopaths they are. They’ll fit right in with the rest of their party.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
1:56 pm
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:26 pm
“A gay person has full protection under the constitution that a non-gay person has”
Not quite…if same-sex marriage isn’t recognized by ALL 50 states..then the Constitutional protection doesn’t exist!! In only 5 states and DC is the converse true!! Until ALL 50 states recognize same-sex marriage and the rights heretofore denied, then..you are incorrect!!
MAKO
January 28th, 2011
2:06 pm
Bookman….you’re a piece of work…why don’t you and Commie Mommie Tucker go and share a hit or 2 on the old bong. Me I’ll just sit here and sip my Laphroaig Caidreas Whiskey and laugh at you crazy liberals.
kaycee
January 28th, 2011
5:49 pm
Interesting. What about the Right’s stifling demand for group conformity????
williamw
January 28th, 2011
8:29 pm
The Republican party, I think, is about to have a major schism (I remember a great number of Handel supporters who refused to vote for Deal). When that split finally happens, you will have a Social Conservative group (who might even call themselves the “Christian Republican Party”) and a Moderate group with conservative fiscal policy. This latter and larger group will likely attract most Tea Party members, the Libertarians, and moderate Democrats (causing a schism in that camp, too). I think a three-party system is better than two, anyway.
Yes, some will continue to support liberals and their spending (but as I recall, George W. was no penny-pincher when it came to military spending). A lot of this current frustration is based on taxation with no tangible benefit. Some will also continue to spout their beliefs of a theocratic government akin to a Christian Iran (I believe such illustrious nations as Uganda are trying that, too). When you demand to legislate morality and silence other voices, you are in essence, supporting a theocracy.
However, at this time in history, people need jobs and an improved economy (just wait until gas hits $4 a gallon this summer…or egads, what if this rebellion in the Arab world shuts down production).
Whoever can help us out of this situation will win the day and the vote, and quite honestly, very few straight people will take notice when gays are allowed full citizenship in their own country — when that day comes (and it will be soon, I think), the next generation will wonder what the big deal was.
Adam
January 30th, 2011
5:31 pm
I really find it funny when conservatives can talk so easily in talking points but simply throw around questions when they are faced with a question that causes SYSTEM FAILURE. Like asking why someone can be Republican and gay, and being met with stuff like “Why can you have a brain and be a democrat OH DER HER HER ZING.” That shows nothing more than an elementary school behavior and lack of rational thought.
As for the liberals and their spending, I find that funny too. Since when the GOP was in power, they ran up the deficit a lot more. Let’s also not forget that the amount added to the deficit last year was increased substantially by allowing the GOP to have their holy grail of tax cuts for the rich.
And as for liberals needing a victim and carrots and all that, you’re being elementary school again! Liberals don’t need victims to survive. Just because your stereotype is that Republicans are strong and Democrats are not doesn’t make it true. Repeated lies are still lies.
I’m going to take a shot now for every Republican talking point lie I see repeated on here now. I had better assign a designated driver.