Mere presence of a gay group enough to make some conservatives flee
Conservative opposition to gay rights is certainly nothing new. In the minds of many on the right, a call for equal rights for gay Americans gets translated into an appeal for “special rights” that ought to be rejected, and it’s been that way since the days of Anita Bryant and before.
But I’m honestly dismayed and surprised to learn just how deep that antipathy still runs.
Earlier this year, organizers of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference agreed to open its doors to GOProud, a group of gay Republicans billing itself as a conservative alternative to the Log Cabin Republicans. The CPAC event is a highlight of the conservative political year, with thousands of activists from around the country traveling to Washington to meet and network.
GOProud is not exactly loud and proud. The group’s home page contains not a word about gay rights. Click on “About GOProud,” and there’s still no mention of a single gay-rights issue. Instead, you read that “GOProud is committed to a traditional conservative agenda that emphasizes limited government, individual liberty, free markets and a confident foreign policy. GOProud promotes our traditional conservative agenda by influencing politics and policy at the federal level.”
In other words, these are not people likely to be making out in the convention hall or waving rainbow flags.
Nonetheless, their mere presence at this year’s CPAC is causing a serious rift in conservative circles. Longtime stalwarts of the movement and the conference, including the Family Research Council, Jerry Falwall’s Liberty University and even the mainstream conservative Heritage Foundation are refusing to participate this year. Sen. Jim DeMint has also made it clear that he will not attend. As The New York Times reports, “Former Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska has not responded to an invitation to speak. Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, has in the past criticized CPAC for being too “libertarian.” He declined to comment for this article but will also not attend.”
“Conservatives and homosexuals cannot coexist in a movement predicated on social values,” Family Research Council President Tony Perkins wrote last year in an e-mail to supporters. “Organizations whose whole reason for existence is to promote the forced public affirmation of homosexual conduct should not be welcomed at CPAC.”
To its credit, the American Conservative Union, which sponsors CPAC, is sticking by its decision despite the risk that attendees might be infected by gay cooties. Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, among others, still plan to attend. Mary Matalin is hosting a GOProud fundraiser at her Alexandria home.
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thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:31 am
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2011
11:23 am
But your original claim was that there was no such thing.
Obviously thee is such a thing you just do not agree with it.
Do you also discount all post using teabaggers, or the other epithets used by those with whom you agree more politically?
Tommy Maddox
January 28th, 2011
11:31 am
Heh heh – PUNT. Nice try.
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
11:31 am
So “Real American” is two years old?
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:32 am
I don’t think there’s any at all. Until science proves otherwise…which I doubt they ever will
Like science can’t “prove” gravity either, huh? How limiting to think that way.
Joe the paleo-neo-Plutoctrat
January 28th, 2011
11:32 am
this blog is a riot. it’s very simple, sexuality and ideology are mutually exclusive. why is it hard for a Bible-thumping, nake-juggling Christian conservative to accept the reality of non-Bible-thumping, non-snake-juggling, non-Christian conservatives? is it me, or does this whole discussion scream “delusional”? it’s like a 5 year-old placing his hands over his ears, closing his eyes and screaming; “blah, blah, blah, blah”. again, it’s infantile. a person is free to believe in god (or not believe in god). a person is free to join the GOP, tea party or DNC, and embrace (or reject) whatever ideology they choose. but the idea that people refuse to accept the existence of others (often within the same political herd), is again, a close-minded and juvenile world view.
RAMBLE ON!!!
January 28th, 2011
11:33 am
“Greatest President of our life time”
dumbest thing I’ve every heard, unless you’re a member of the Black Panthers.
joe
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
BFD…as time marches on, these type things won’t even be a blip on the radar. Instead of focusing our efforts on social issues, we need to put our undivided attention on the huge debt we have hanging on our necks and how are we going to cut entitlements and other programs that receive taxpayer funds in order to cut down the debt. Cut, cut again, then cut some more. Sharpen those carving knives, baby!
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
it’s like a 5 year-old placing his hands over his ears, closing his eyes and screaming; “blah, blah, blah, blah”. again, it’s infantile. a person is free to believe in god (or not believe in god). a person is free to join the GOP, tea party or DNC, and embrace (or reject) whatever ideology they choose. but the idea that people refuse to accept the existence of others (often within the same political herd), is again, a close-minded and juvenile world view.
Repeat!
Of course, the 5-year-olds still have their hands over their ears screaming “blah blah blah blah”, so they don’t realize it’s them we’re talking about.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
” a person is free to believe in god (or not believe in god). a person is free to join the GOP, tea party or DNC, and embrace (or reject) whatever ideology they choose” – agreed. and a person is free to choose whether to be gay or straight.
Deep Throat
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
Real American, puke … gag….augh..patooey !!!!!
Dudley
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
There is a simple solution to this problem. If two consenting adults want to live their life together as a family, LET THEM!!!! Conservatives should leave people alone who are not harming themselves or others.
Atlantan
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
$14.2 trillion deficit and folks are worried about an adult’s sexual preference – we are in trouble…. Gay / straight is between you and God.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:34 am
watching Nailin Palin again (with his pet goat)
jm
I’d hold off a minute on the whole Egypt thing before passing judgement. If the uprising is, indeed, being perpetrated by the Muslim Brotherhood, it might not be a bad thing to put the protests down in a quick and friendly manner.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
11:35 am
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:22 am
Don’t forget the marinara sauce…………
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:35 am
and a person is free to choose whether to be gay or straight.
Yes, let’s ask notorious conservative Ted Haggard whether he felt free to destroy his life or whether it was something more than that.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:36 am
Joe @ 11:32
THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!!!!!
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
HDB
My bad… I haven’t had to call upon him in a while….
RAMBLE ON!!!
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
“Greatest President of our life time”
If you’re sitting at home blogging and collecting unemployment.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
Peadawg,
Why are you so obsessed with a gay man’s lack of jeans? Just curious.
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TruthBe
January 28th, 2011
11:37 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST. JESUS said to “Love the sinner and hate the sin”. JESUS NEVER said to tolerant or embrace sinful and perverded behavior. HBD you should get that black racist chip off your shoulder.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
“Yes, let’s ask notorious conservative Ted Haggard whether he felt free to destroy his life or whether it was something more than that.” I’ll never understand why people choose that lifestyle either. Now when/if science ever proves otherwise, I’ll eat my words.
thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:35 am
Drug addicts don’t choose to destroy their lives and the ones around them. But they do choose to take the drug the first time. If not they should prosecute whoever injected them with the drug.
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
OK, what do we in the conservative movement do?
My suggestion is that we do what conservatives SHOULD do, which is keep our nose out of people’s private business.
The answer is in the church. All churches need to have programs to help sexual sinners on all levels whether homosexual or heterosexual deviants.
Bill–Seems to me that you are putting a lot of energy into identifying and criticizing OTHER people’s sins. Why is that?? Is that because you have no sins of your own to work on??
JohnnyReb
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
ByteMe – you are talking apples vs oranges. The top priority of Conservatives is retaining control of the House, taking control of the Senate and White House. Gay rights measured against those objectives does not even move the needle. And, letting it divide a Conservative group is stupid, period.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
Atlanta 11:34 – Amen (about the debt)
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
The problem with stories like this is how ignorance and fear is used to deny a group equal rights. Who would choose to be hated, marginalized, cast aside by some members of society, etc.? I don’t think any person would want to sit in that seat. Science will ultimately give an answer and it has already started to do so. However, as long as ignorance and fear is running unchecked, this is one group of people that will unfortunately continue to be marginalized and mistreated. The sad part is, that is history repeating itself in another form.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
11:40 am
Peadawg@11:34 am
and a person is free to choose whether to be gay or straight.
What orifice did you pull that wisdom from?
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
11:40 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST.
How about gay teachers who teach that Evilution? Is it a double-plus abomination?
Joe Cool
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
I wonder when the Gay Tea Party will be formed. LOL. Guaranteed it wont happen and they most definitly wont be showing up with flags and rainbows.
Real American
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
RAMBLE ON!!!
If most of you get out the trailer, and up grade your skills by using the money he provided for you to go to school, the day of the factory jobs are gone, we are in the 21st century.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
Who would choose to be hated, marginalized, cast aside by some members of society, etc.? I don’t think any person would want to sit in that seat.
Good point! I note, however, that there are plenty of people who choose to hate, marginalize, and cast aside other members of society. They push each other out of the way to sit in that seat! (Jesus must be so proud.)
Ragnar Danneskjöld
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
Dear HDB @ 11:08, I disagree with your Construction of the Constitution. “That’s FALSE; there are 5 states and the District of Columbia where same-sex marriage IS legal. Since it is legal in those states, by the US CONSTITUTION, those marriages must be recognized in ALL 50 states!! ” In fact, those states that created the new homosexual “marriage” laws did so in full knowledge and disregard of multiple other states’s prohibition of same. Seemingly it is the have dozen who changed in violation of the Constitution’s requirement to give full faith and credit to the actions of other states?
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST.
TruthBe–Same question for you: Is your life so perfect that you feel qualified to cast stones at others?? Maybe I’m reading between the lines, but you also seem to feel qualified to speak on the behalf of God. My recommendation to you is the same as to Bill: Focus on your own sins and quit being so hateful to others.
Fang1944
January 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Back in the 80s Tom Loeffler, W’s chief money-raiser and one-time GOP candidate for governor of Texas, was in San Francisco. Then he thought “Omigod, I’m in San Francisco,” and he put shower caps n his feet while he was in the bathroom. He was afraid of catching AIDS through his feet. True story that was all over the media.
Looks like the GOP hasn’t changed much.
Fang1944
January 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Oops: shower caps on his feet.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:43 am
ByteMe – you are talking apples vs oranges.
I’m really not Johnny. I’m saying “What goes around, comes around.” If you step back and look at it, you gotta wonder how long the tea party libertarians will put up with the social conservatives before they decide to find another place to play.
ty webb
January 28th, 2011
11:43 am
“and up grade your skills by using the money he provided for you to go to school,…”
Herein lies the problem. “money HE provided”? Good lord!
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:43 am
Matti–You got an extra pair of boots I can borrow?? The BS is running pretty deep here today…..
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
11:38 am
A voice of wisdom amongst the ear-splitting din of mumbo jumbo!!!!
thomas
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:39 am
So both of you believe that skin head nazi types did not choose to hate. That it was a choice made for them.
I mean why would anyone want to be hated, marginalized, cast aside by some members of society, etc.? except it may be most members of society.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
Hey Jay, last time I checked it was still America – you know the place where you can think and say what you want. Get over it.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
11:44 am
the new homosexual “marriage” laws
and let’s crank up the calliope, shall we?
Truly Amazing
January 28th, 2011
11:45 am
@Matti: You’re right- and that’s the problem. What is driving that hate? When it boils down to it, there’s two ways to feel about something- love something or hate it. The level at which you love or hate something falls under those two categories. However, that hate is driven by the lack of understanding, compassion, empathy, etc. The lack of understanding leads to fear which ultimately leads to varying levels of hate. The progression of hate needs to be stopped and reversed.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:46 am
Drug addicts don’t choose to destroy their lives and the ones around them. But they do choose to take the drug the first time.
Having known a few addicts (including being formerly married to one), if it wasn’t drugs it would have been something else (alcohol, sex, shopping, whatever). It’s chemical and scientists are working out how to counter it now that they understand the parts of the brain that light up both before and after getting the “drug” that an addict craves.
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:46 am
On the list of sh-t we need to do to fix this country, I’d put this issue somewhere down in the 20’s or 30’s…. issue number 1,… the deficits and debt…..
straight not narrow
January 28th, 2011
11:46 am
Let’s try this again. Either you are gay or you are not gay. NOBODY who isn’t wakes up one day and decides “I think I’ll be gay today”, that means you always were. Conversely if you are gay you don’t just decide “I think I’m straight now” because you never will be. You can’t change who ARE, nor should you try. Be yourself, live and let live and hope the rest of humanity will return the favor.
TruthBe
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
Dear Bruno, We all have sinned. I was simply spreading the truth. GOD’s word is the WHOLE truth. Trust GOD he will help us all. Including you and me Bruno.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD JESUS CHRIST.
Really? Hmm… I thought it was an Old Testament reference. Are you sure? Can you point us to the verses (red letters in my Bible) where Jesus said that? I mean, since he wore his hair long and traveled around with a bunch of GUYS in a commune-type group, sans women and [according to some 13th-Century, well-dressed Pope] never EVER touched a (Ewwwww!) woman (hence his ongoing purity), then I’m sure he must have responded in some official way to how GAY that looks. Inquiring minds want to know!
jm
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
And yet, Jay has found this to be a highlightable topic. I guess in the media business you have to change your drums often.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:47 am
“What orifice did you pull that wisdom from?” – The one that made to be ‘exit only’
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:48 am
that was made*
Brad
January 28th, 2011
11:48 am
Peadawg, I don’t think they’ve found the incredibly stupid ass**** gene yet, either, so I guess you just chose to be one.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
11:49 am
I think Peadawg just got hijacked.
Real American
January 28th, 2011
11:50 am
ty webb
You want to compete with the world in sports but not in education, but what do we expect from conservatives in Georgia, who loves being last.
Matti
January 28th, 2011
11:51 am
Brad @ 11:48,
Best line of the day!!!
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
“Peadawg, I don’t think they’ve found the incredibly stupid ass**** gene yet, either, so I guess you just chose to be one.” – LMAO!!! That was a good one…actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks punkin.
Brad
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
It’s too easy.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
Well, I don’t care for this copycat Bill Orvis White one bit. Get your own act, fellow.
Have a good one everybody.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
OHHHH!!!!!! We have an infraction on the play. Unsportsmanlike conduct… Unnecessary roughness on Brad @ 11:48… 15 yard penalty… Automatic 1st down.
Peadawg
January 28th, 2011
11:52 am
“Brad @ 11:48,
Best line of the day!!!”
I agree.
Joe the paleo-neo-Plutoctrat
January 28th, 2011
11:54 am
TruthBe, I’ll play along. please direct us to the Bible verse in which Jesus established the parameters of “abomination” and “perversion”. and I am anxious to know where Jesus discussed “tolerance” as it relates to not tolerating and/or embracing “sinful behavior’ (better yet, please let us know were Jesus actually connected homosexuality and “sinful behavior”. and I am not interested in what Paul, Pat Robertson, the Pope, or Jerry Falwell “thinks” or “heard” Jesus said. Peadawg, so then, what’s the issue? if people are free be choose to be gay or be straight, what difference does it make to the GOP? in fact, a person’s choice of lifestyle or behavior doesn’t even suggest he/she supports or opposes pro or anti gay policy/legislation. again, this whole thing has an Orwellian “groupthink” or “two legs good/four legs bad” aspect that seems to fly right over the head of the god-fearing, small government, personal responsibility crowd. would it be out of line to opine about a possible Charlton Heston-esque oath about “I’ll cease to be homosexual when you remove my *&^# from my boyfriend’s (or girlfriend’s) cold dead #@*^ !”?
BBOBB
January 28th, 2011
12:00 pm
HDB @ 10:08: Add civil rights to it also; now gay people know how black people, Hispanics, Muslims, and other ethnic minorities feel!!! Which civil rights are these groups denied??
Bruno
January 28th, 2011
12:11 pm
A voice of wisdom amongst the ear-splitting din of mumbo jumbo!!!
SC @ 11:44–Coming from you, that means a lot, since I consider you to be the most level-headed person on the board. The essence of conservatism is freedom, yet these religious phony-balonies don’t seem to grasp that. On a personal level, I find the more willing someone is to point fingers at others in a condemning way, the more skeletons they have in their own closet.
As for me, my own closet got so full I decided the only option was to move.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:18 pm
Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
any other questions?
E. Fix
January 28th, 2011
12:19 pm
The bible-thumpers who assume it is G-D’s will to make homosexuality a sin forget to point out the other bible-backed sexual sins such as ADULTERY that are committed by HETEROSEXUALS all the time. So, to be fair, they should start demanding the withdrawal of the heterosexual leaders within their own beloved Republican party who have cheated, plus demand that all American military personnel who have cheated be yanked from serving their country. Perhaps they don’t do this because it’s too “close to home…” Such hypocrites!
tscali
January 28th, 2011
12:23 pm
reckon these black homophobes vote democrat, bookman?
Why black church culture rejects homosexuality
keep it real bro! it’s not just conservatives.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:25 pm
The bible-thumpers who assume it is G-D’s will…I think you forgot a letter
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:29 pm
Oh and before any of you say it, I know that one sin is no worse than another sin but we are talking about homosexuality not aldultery, etc…
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:32 pm
SoCo
SC @ 11:44–Coming from you, that means a lot, since I consider you to be the most level-headed person on the board
——————————
so do we call you flathead from now on or is is young flat top
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:32 pm
is it dammit
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
Mark T@12:18 pm
I guess that includes most of the regressives and progressives in that statement.
And gee I thought I was a contender
Ramguy
January 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
@Bill Orvis White 10:53 AM
It’s well known that the homosexual lifestyle is one of the many sins included in the Bible.
Hmmmmm does that mean that you think we should stone adulterers which includes divorced people that have remarried and keeping the Sabbath?
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
January 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
Mark T@12:18 pm
I guess that includes most of the regressives and progressives in that
You can include whoever you want, I was simply answering joe the plutocrat’s request to show him where in the bible homosexuality and “sinful behavior” were connected
HDB
January 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Ragnar Danneskjöld
January 28th, 2011
11:41 am
“Dear HDB @ 11:08, I disagree with your Construction of the Constitution. “That’s FALSE; there are 5 states and the District of Columbia where same-sex marriage IS legal. Since it is legal in those states, by the US CONSTITUTION, those marriages must be recognized in ALL 50 states!! ” In fact, those states that created the new homosexual “marriage” laws did so in full knowledge and disregard of multiple other states’s prohibition of same. Seemingly it is the have dozen who changed in violation of the Constitution’s requirement to give full faith and credit to the actions of other states?”
Rags…the point too many FAIL to note is the 14th Amendment:
“1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the EQUAL PROTECTION of the laws.”
Application of the 14th Amendment insures that ALL enjoy equal protection of the law; how can equal protections be applied if one group (gay people) can not be afforded the rights obtaned by marriage??
Also: Article 4, Section 1:
“Article IV – The States
Section 1 – Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”
If you want to take it even further:
“Article VI – Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
The key here is ALL treaties made; for whatever nations that have made…or WILL MAKE…treaties with the United States, those laws and contracts are to be recognized. If a nation (Canada, Netherlands) allows gay marriage, it MUST be recognized by the United States!!
Check the application of the law…..that’s what it means!!
jury Dell
January 28th, 2011
12:41 pm
A conservative gay? That’s like a gay Southern Baptist and both are a minority in the minority.
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
12:42 pm
It’s also an “abomination” to wear clothes that come from more than one type of thread. Bill’s poly-cotton plaid shirt is an abomination and worthy of stoning and denying basic human rights.
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curt
January 28th, 2011
12:47 pm
Whenever the rabid right can’t logically defend their views logically or even religiously they just start foaming at the mouth about liberals. So called conservatives who are constantly using the Bible to excuse their hate need to go back and read it. We are advised there that what we do to our fellow man we also do to Christ, we’re told to feed the poor, to judge not lest we be judged, etc. Christ himself even hung out with a prostitute. How they can talk about family values while they ignore the very book they so often wave around defies me. How can a gay person can be republican after being denied a place at the table and used to get hate votes and venom like we can see above is total disrespect for oneself.
There’s nothing conservative about the bunch who use that label now. The movement has been taken over by ignorant spoiled brats who think if they shout loud enough and repeat their lies they become true.
A Day W/out Orange Juice
January 28th, 2011
12:51 pm
“But I’m honestly dismayed and surprised to learn just how deep that antipathy still runs”
You shouldn’t be. Most Americans abhor homosexuality. Many will proclaim publicly that they support gay rights out of political correctness, but they know instinctively that sex between males (or females) is unnatural and perverse.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
12:51 pm
curt
January 28th, 2011
12:47 pm
Whenever the rabid right can’t logically defend their views logically or even religiously they just start foaming at the mouth about liberals. So called conservatives who are constantly using the Bible to excuse their hate need to go back and read it.
Where did anybody mention hate..I dont hate gays, I just disagree with it. By your post, it sounds to me that your the one with anger issuses
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 28th, 2011
1:02 pm
Bruno
I just call it the way I see it…
NoCom
Ewww!!! Flat top and bald??? That’s one ugly assed head. LOL!!!
Bill Orvis White
January 28th, 2011
1:02 pm
@Redneck Convert and @Ramguy
I’m committed to a Christ-centered existence and I’m on a crusade to save American from ruin.
@Ramguy
-really funny about stoning. I don’t care about being all sensitive like so many have been brainwashed to become in the past 25-30 years. It’s a fact that deviant sexual acts are sins – end of story! I’m not suggesting that anyone harm those who fall off of God’s word and participate in such vile acts. This is why house of the Lord exist. Someone up on this board wrote that you’re born that way. OK, you can overcome it if you’re born that way. In short and I get a lot of heat for this: you fix it!
Love,
Bill
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2011
1:03 pm
Many will proclaim publicly that they support gay rights out of political correctness, but they know instinctively that sex between males (or females) is unnatural and perverse.
And not at all fun to watch, which is why you never, ever see it in straight porn, which is only consumed by godless liberals…
oh, wait.
HDB
January 28th, 2011
1:05 pm
Many here wish to argue the moral issues pertaining to gay marriage; because of the plentitudes of positions of humans, every moral opinion would be argued by another moral opinion….and either or none could be considered correct; LEGALLY, however, is another persuasion. To deny a group the LEGAL protection of the law is more than unConstitutional…it is ALSO immoral!! To correct a wrong, a RIGHT must be invoked…or protected; that’s the Constitution…and the equal application therein!! THAT’S my point!!
Pepper Man
January 28th, 2011
1:16 pm
Why would a gay person be a Republican? Lower taxes and a more limited government (if a large percentage of those espousing limited government didn’t wish to have same government involved in our private lives) would obviously appeal to the gay population. As a group, they tend to be high income earners. To me, it’s beyond foolish when Republicans will espouse limited government and, in the same breath, want to pass laws based on religious morality.
I and my marriage are not “threatened” by the gay lifestyle. To my fellow Republicans, we took the House because of the economy and an overreaching Federal government. It was not a mandate on “conservative, social” values. Start that and we will sadly be hearing “Four more years!” in a year and a half.
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
Be Afraid, Be very Afraid, the evil Republicans are going to cut your weewee off.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 28th, 2011
1:21 pm
BUT what about the Republican MANDATE in Nov.?
Surely it wasn’t JUST about taxes and the economy
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:23 pm
ByteMe
January 28th, 2011
10:57 am
I wouldn’t mind knowing how you can call yourself a Christian and be a liberal Democrat
Peadawg doesn’t get that Jesus was a liberal.
But he wasn’t a visitor to the crusty cavity.
Darwin
January 28th, 2011
1:24 pm
Why minorities and gays want to be associated with the Republican party baffles me. Republican voting block is white straight males. There is no inclusive tent because they win elections based on who votes. The only thing I can determine when an African American or a gay votes Republican, is that they will get noticed. They are different.
Ramguy
January 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
@Bill Orvis White
It’s a fact that deviant sexual acts are sins
So you pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow?
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:26 pm
HDB
January 28th, 2011
1:05 pm
Many here wish to argue the moral issues pertaining to gay marriage; because of the plentitudes of positions of humans, every moral opinion would be argued by another moral opinion….and either or none could be considered correct; LEGALLY, however, is another persuasion. To deny a group the LEGAL protection of the law is more than unConstitutional…it is ALSO immoral!! To correct a wrong, a RIGHT must be invoked…or protected; that’s the Constitution…and the equal application therein!! THAT’S my point!!
Well the last time I checked, “Groups” are not protected by the constitution. Individual’s are protected by the constitution. A gay person has full protection under the constitution that a non-gay person has. All the gay’s seek now is a political solution to a social issue.
stay away from the crusty cavity
January 28th, 2011
1:29 pm
Darwin
January 28th, 2011
1:24 pm
The only thing I can determine when an African American or a gay votes Republican, is that they will get noticed.
When someone is able to think for themselves, they will vote Republican.
Yellow Jacket
January 28th, 2011
1:30 pm
It is absolutely insane that certain people get exalted in our society because they put their parts in the wrong place…………..
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:30 pm
I consider myself a moderate, which I wish more people were, as I don’t think that any one side has all the answers, I’ll repeat that, no one side has all the answers.
I believe that everyone in our country should have the same rights, period. If somebody beats me up I consider it a hate crime, not a love crime, I want the same justice that anyone else gets in our country.
No group of peolpe, no mater who you are should have special rights. We are either in this all together or we lose.
poison pen
January 28th, 2011
1:31 pm
should be matter.
Yellow Jacket
January 28th, 2011
1:33 pm
Right on, poison pen.
lovelyliz
January 28th, 2011
1:34 pm
What you you discount the godly Reppublicnas who are in the closet? It’s an awfully crowded closet these days.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
1:35 pm
Ramguy
January 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
@Bill Orvis White
It’s a fact that deviant sexual acts are sins
So you pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow?
Once again…this post is about homosexuality not aldultrery murder, etc.
Mark T
January 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
Well said poison