In Egypt, protestors unlikely to force regime change — this time

Here’s a bird’s eye view:

And here’s a similar scene, but up close and personal:

From what I can tell, this isn’t likely to end in the overthrow of the Mubarak regime. Egypt is not Tunisia. But the protests and violence clearly have th Arab leadership very worried because, well, Egypt is not Tunisia. Egypt is the biggest nation in the Arab world. Al Jazeera isn’t very popular among Americans, but it is probably even less popular among Arab leaders who fear its reports coming out of Egypt. King Hamad, the leader of Bahrain, for example, has called Mubarak seeking an emergency Arab summit.

As the Gulf Daily News (NOT an independent news source, by the way), blandly reported the development:

His Majesty King Hamad made the call as he held a telephone conversation with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

He stressed the need to co-ordinate the meeting to map out a strategy spearheading the progress of the Arab nations.

He also highlighted the importance of such a blueprint to promote the interests, security and stability of Arabs.

The strategic importance of Egypt and its pivotal role as a guarantor of Arab stability was also stressed.

“The stability of Egypt reflects on the stability of all Arab countries,” His Majesty said, calling for strong bilateral relations.

He expressed his confidence in the stability and steadfastness of Egypt, hailing President Mubarak’s wisdom, enlightened vision and aspiration to ensure a better future for his people.

King Hamad hailed Egypt’s firm and principled national stance, describing it as a reference point for all Arab and Islamic causes.

He highlighted the crucial role played by Egypt in the liberation of Kuwait in 1990.

His Majesty also praised the vital role of Egypt, led by President Mubarak, in championing Arab causes, promoting unity and consolidating the march of joint work.

Here in the United States, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tried to walk the narrow line between support for the protesters’ cause and caution about what could come next, as Voice of America reports:

In calling for restraint by all the parties in Egypt, Clinton said the United States has consistently urged the Mubarak government to be responsive to calls for greater political reform and openness.

“We support the universal rights of the Egyptian people including the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly,” she said. “And we urge the Egyptian authorities not to prevent peaceful protests or block communications, including on social media sites. We believe strongly that the Egyptian government has an important opportunity at this moment in time, to implement political, economic and social reforms to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people.”

In the short term, tomorrow promises to be the critical day, as Egyptians gather in mosques for the Friday day of prayer. And in the slightly longer term, these events call into further question what happens in Egypt once the 82-year-old Mubarak leaves the scene. The Western world may have a lot at stake, but it also has very little ability to influence what happens. Change that is not allowed to occur gradually has a way of occurring all at once.

– Jay Bookman

122 comments Add your comment

jm

January 27th, 2011
8:51 am

Egypt. Too bad there won’t be regime change, or at least a transition to democracy. All dictatorships are bad, in my book.

APS BOE. Now there’s where we definitely need regime change. Stick APS under the mayor. As I said below, if CT Martin is against it and Julian Bond is for it, then its probably a good idea….

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2011
8:51 am

Al Jazeera isn’t very popular among Americans

I’m beginning to think it should be, though.

Later, kids. Don’t overthrow any despotic regimes without me.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
8:51 am

What’s this one going to be?

Another debacle as when Carter abandoned the Shah of Iran who was replaced with a far, far worse Islamic state?

Egypt …….. an Islamic State?

Another Islamic domino ?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
8:52 am

“World Muslim population doubling, report projects”

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/27/world-muslim-population-doubling-report-projects/?hpt=C1

Anyone think Scout’s head might explode?

jm

January 27th, 2011
8:52 am

BTW, where were Hillary and Obama on Venezuela??? Or do they just expect Venezuela to self destruct?

“We support the universal rights of the Egyptian people including the rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly,” she said. “And we urge the Egyptian authorities not to prevent peaceful protests or block communications, including on social media sites. We believe strongly that the Egyptian government has an important opportunity at this moment in time, to implement political, economic and social reforms to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people.”

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
8:53 am

It is sad to see what is happening in Egypt. This is a very delicate situation without a quick fix solution.
I hope that our country will use good judgment in our responses to this critical juncture in Egypt’s history.
Also, has anyone noticed the Climate change across the U.S.?

Check these temps out and add them to your Global Warming scientific research:

http://www.weather.com/maps/news/forecastsummary/uscurrenttemperatures_large.html

Lord Help Us

January 27th, 2011
8:53 am

‘Carter abandoned the Shah of Iran’

Scout was for Democracy before he was against it…or did I get that backwards…

jm

January 27th, 2011
8:53 am

Lots of good content in this one….

“Change that is not allowed to occur gradually has a way of occurring all at once.”

See also: US deficit blowout of $1.5 Trillion, and sovereign defaults

jm

January 27th, 2011
8:55 am

BTW did not know that Egypt had approximately the same population as Germany. And so relatively unproductive…..sad

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
8:55 am

It appears the Africa Command may soon be expanded.

Peadawg

January 27th, 2011
8:57 am

““World Muslim population doubling, report projects”” – Sad….

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:00 am

““World Muslim population doubling, report projects””
—————————————————–
Would that be one adult creating one child and nobody dying?

Mick

January 27th, 2011
9:03 am

If you know your history, there is nothing carter could have done. The shah was going to be overthrown, blame khomieni and france.

jt

January 27th, 2011
9:03 am

The PEOPLE of Egypt would prefer chevys, CDs, music, and tacky clothes from America.

Instead, Washington gives them AH64-A Apaches , MH-60L DAPs, and various crown-control devices.

And lectures them on “human rights”.

Go figure.

Normal

January 27th, 2011
9:04 am

All that oil under radical rule…alternate fuel, anyone?

@@

January 27th, 2011
9:06 am

Political/social reforms will come thru the military. I’ll go with the NDP formed by Anwar Sadat and maintained by Mubarak. I also agree with Hillary’s call for economic reforms. The uncertainty surrounding succession is seen as an opportunity by protesters.

We’ll see.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
9:07 am

Regardless of who is in charge in Egypt, they are not our friends nor are any of the Muslim middle east countries. Our naive and foolish leaders think that trust and goodwill will work with these countries, not realizing that the Muslim psyche is so locked into contempt and hatred for us that nothing we do will change that. These countries are a real and growing threat to us and we are doing nothing.

Normal

January 27th, 2011
9:08 am

Posted this downstairs, but…

Normal

January 27th, 2011
8:37 am
Scout,
a quote from a man I believe was the greatest Republican President ever….Dwight D.
Eisenhower

June 28, 1957
And I should like to assure you, my Islamic friends, that under the American Constitution, under American tradition, and in American hearts, this Center, this place of worship, is just as welcome as could be a similar edifice of any other religion. Indeed, America would fight with her whole strength for your right to have here your own church and worship according to your own conscience. This concept is indeed a part of America, and without that concept we would be something else than what we are. [...] As I stand beneath these graceful arches, surrounded on every side by friends from far and near, I am convinced that our common goals are both right and promising. Faithful to the demands of justice and of brotherhood, each working according to the lights of his own conscience, our world must advance along the paths of peace.

Maybe it’s time to accept that which we cannot change.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
9:08 am

“These countries are a real and growing threat to us and we are doing nothing”

Be afraid, be VERY afraid

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 27th, 2011
9:09 am

Well, seems to me what Egypt needs is a Tea Party. A Egypt Tea Party could knock that guvmint off in no time. They could talk about how corrupt the rulers are and how they wasn’t really born in Egypt and how the country needs to cut out all the luxury and get back to basics. And it would be easy to get a Tea Party. You don’t need to know anything to be a member of the Tea Party. Just yell alot and say how mad you are and how you ain’t going to take it anymore. And how the guvmint needs to keep doing the things that benefit members of the Tea Party and cut out all the things that benefit somebody else.

But no, they won’t listen to good sense. They’ll just keep right on protesting and getting kilt by the police and mill around awhile.

And it seems to me this King don’t need to ask somebody to get together with him and jaw for awhile. He can just order it.

Anyhow, good to see Bookman finally woke up and wrote a column today. I been humping it out here for nigh on 3 hrs. while he was sleeping off his bender. Have a good day everybody.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
9:13 am

Regardless of who is in charge in Egypt, they are not our friends nor are any of the Muslim middle east countries.

You don’t have to go that far to find people who are not our friends. We have people who are citizens of this country who are not our friends. There are people just south of our Southern Border who are not our friends.

jt

January 27th, 2011
9:13 am

The PEOPLE of Egypt would get along fine with the PEOPLE of America.

Who doesn’t like cool cars,cmaels,dates,beer,and good music.?

Cut out the middle-man…..Washington and their Military/Industrial whores.
Don’t fall for the Islam agin Christian crap.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:19 am

Lord Help Us:

Get real. And what you got was far, far worse.

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” (at least for awhile).

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:19 am

Doggone/GA:

Hey my friend, I still haven’t received your response to this one. Are you dodging me?

Doggone/GA @ 11:11 pm

“Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”

And do you realize that the correlary to that is that not everyone who DOESN’T call Jesus “Lord” is condemned?

I took the liberty of forwarding your email to Heaven and this is what came back:

“He that believeth in Me is not condemned, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY (emphasis added) because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Mick

January 27th, 2011
9:20 am

Unfortunately, another factor in iran’s revolution was the information that the CIA had overthrown Nasser and put the shah in power in the 1950’s. The shah was brutal with his secret police. Mubarak, has been propped up by us, he will probably respond with an iron fist and clamp it down but his time left in power is ebbing.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:20 am

Doggone/GA and Lord Help Us:

Have you guys ever heard of Billy Mitchell?

Lord Help Us

January 27th, 2011
9:23 am

‘Get real. And what you got was far, far worse.’

Agreed – from the US perspective. The perspective of the citizens of Iran is, perhaps, different.

So, please clarify…are you for Democracy or against Democracy?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:24 am

is an e-male e-reptile that lives on a post on a blog at the
bottom of the ajc.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:25 am

“Be very, very afraid”

I’m not ……….. but your great-grandchildren will be.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:27 am

Lord Help Us:

I’m for Democratic Republics and then Islamic States are LAST on the list.

Or do you think it’s o.k. for women to be stoned for adultery ?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:28 am

Scout, i left a post downstairs in which i agree
with you but you may not agree with my reason for
agreeing.

Lord Help Us

January 27th, 2011
9:30 am

‘I’m for Democratic Republics and then Islamic States are LAST on the list.

Or do you think it’s o.k. for women to be stoned for adultery ?’

Scout, sorry to burst your bubble…but, depending on the will of the people, a Democracy just might be an Islamic State…

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:33 am

I think it’s o.k. for women to be stoned and i have helped
a few achieve that.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:34 am

Lord Help Us:

“Democracy just might be an Islamic State…”

I’ts a “democracy” the split second the majority of the people vote for it ………… then it immediately becomes a despotic, evil monster.

Didn’t the majority vote for Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

Normal

January 27th, 2011
9:34 am

This is interesting…

Liberals Praised By Conservatives:

Franklin D Roosevelt-For conduct of World War II
Harry Truman-For conduct of World War II, dropping atomic bombs on Japan, conduct of Cold War, recognition of Israel, and conduct of Korean War.
John F Kennedy-For conduct of Cold War and lowering taxes

Conservatives Praised By Liberals:

Barry Goldwater-For moderate social views
Dwight D Eisenhower-Ditto
Richard Nixon-Ditto
George HW Bush-For responsible foreign policy

Scout

January 27th, 2011
9:35 am

barking frog:

Don’t do that ! I spit out my coffee again !

Got to run now ……… I’ll checkout your downstairs post later.

Everyone be nice to each other ………… stick to debate !

Lord Help Us

January 27th, 2011
9:39 am

‘I’ts a “democracy” the split second the majority of the people vote for it ………… then it immediately becomes a despotic, evil monster.’

Could be…there is less control than with a Shah/Mubarek/Saudi Royal Family/Kuwait Royal Family/Jordanian Royal Family/Pinochet/Batista/etc./etc./etc. Dictatorship.

It appears you are ‘for’ Democracy when it conforms to your definition and ‘against’ democracy when it does not…

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:39 am

Normal, I have always admired Goldwater for his social
views also. When he visited Chattanooga, on Lookout
Mountain, he left a string of well satisfied socialites.

retired early

January 27th, 2011
9:40 am

This wave of revolutionary spirit is exciting. We can thank the advancements in communications for this new era of enlightenment. Countries can no longer control the media entirely.
I submit that wars did not create this opportunity as some who credit Bush…no, this is a by product of global communications. I just wish we Americans had not already spent lives and money fighting two wars hoping to accomplish the same thing.
This world is about to change from the grass roots up. It will be fun to watch.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
9:41 am

Hysterical.

How ironic that the “Christian” bigot and Carter hater mentions him

The president who did more to resolve the warring situation in the Middle East between the Islamists and the Israelis than all of the modern-day Republican presidents COMBINED.

What a shame, this didn’t happen under King George though.

He, Dickhead, Piggy Rove and the cabal of chickenhawks could have laid some serious shock and awe on those Egyptians.

THAT would have brought them around to our way of thinking, huh, cons?

already condemned

January 27th, 2011
9:41 am

‘ ““World Muslim population doubling, report projects””
—————————————————–
Would that be one adult creating one child and nobody dying?’

- barkingfrog @ 9:00 am

You might need a remedial sex education class.

@@

January 27th, 2011
9:42 am

In regards to the protests in Egypt and according to Stratfor:

Let’s use the Iranian rising of 1979 as a model. It had many elements involved, from Communists, to liberals to moderate Muslims, and of course the radicals. All of them were united in hating the Shah, but not in anything else.

The Western press did not understand the mixture and had its closest ties with the liberals, for the simple reason that they were the most Western and spoke English. For a very long time they thought these liberals were in control of the revolution.

But they weren’t. It was the Ayatollah Khomeini, using the liberals as a front to gain control. I hope the liberal media doesn’t get involved in Egypt’s protests.

Interesting.

@@

January 27th, 2011
9:43 am

Slanties slipped. Second paragraph text is from Stratfor.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
9:43 am

retired

Amen!! If or when people are ready to change their surroundings, they will do it just as we did in the 1700’s. It does not always require violence, nor does it always require outside influence. The best change for a country comes from within because that is more likely the true will of the people as opposed to someone coming in and telling them what their will should be.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:44 am

Bluetooth is mighty close to the Star Trek communicator
and the MRI is just larger than the Scanner carried by
Dr. “Bones” McCoy…

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:46 am

already condemned

January 27th, 2011
9:41 am
————————————
or you could research test tube baby—

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
9:46 am

You might need a remedial sex education class.

Nowadays, with the advancement in technology, two people don’t have to be present. All you need is a DNA sample and a turkey baster. :)

Dr. Feel

January 27th, 2011
9:46 am

Despite the vicious repression of these regimes and the evident ease of deploying lethal force, the people are refusing to be intimidated off the streets. There is a palpable sense of momentum for long-overdue radical change in the region ­– driven by decades of frustration and anger with the rulers of these countries over a raft of social and political issues. There could hardly be a more comprehensive checklist of causes for revolutionary upheaval: massive poverty, unemployment and lack of housing, education, health, free speech, labour rights, voting rights – a veritable tinderbox of grievances all compressed beneath an egregiously wealthy elite who continue to sit on this incendiary mass only by the use of brutal state security apparatus. Notably, most informed sources agree that it is not Islamic fundamentalism fuelling the widespread popular unrest, but rather it is simple economic and social injustice and desire for basic democratic rights.

High on the checklist of grievances across the Arab region is Palestine, and what its peoples rightly see as the long-held abject deference of their rulers to the US-Israeli criminal occupation of Arab territories and violation of international law and human rights. The 30-year regime of Egypt’s Mubarak – the second biggest recipient of US military aid in the Middle East after Israel – goes much further than deference. It has actively colluded with what can only be called the decades-long US-Israeli campaign to destroy Palestinian rights. After launching its latest criminal war on the people of Gaza by Israel and its enablers in Washington, which saw more than 1,400 Palestinians killed, Mubarak’s regime still refuses to open the Raffah Crossing – the only land bridge that can bring badly needed humanitarian aid to people living amid rubble in that territory.

What we are seeing across the Arab world is not just the undoing of corrupt regimes. We are seeing the undoing of America’s entire foreign policy in that region. No wonder there must be deep misgiving in Washington over the recent turmoil in this key energy-producing region. For decades, US administrations have, through a cocktail of ignorance and arrogance, deluded themselves that they could get away with a mendacious contradiction. That contradiction is the espousal of democracy and peace in the Middle East while at the same time sponsoring regimes that act in every way to undermine any path to democracy and peace. And the vast majority of people in the Middle East see through this delusion. They are well aware that at the root of democratic change in the region is not just getting rid of internal corrupt rulers – it is the overthrow of Washington’s imperialist policy, which has long subjugated Arab countries to despotic rule.

It would be laughable if it were not so serious. For the US government, past and present, is showing itself to be the most able demolition engineer of its own foreign policy in the Middle East.

@@

January 27th, 2011
9:47 am

Always frisk the liberals first. Hat Tip, Andy.

Couldn’t resist.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
9:47 am

“You might need a remedial sex education class.”

And a class on population dynamics. And don’t forget that conversions count too.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
9:52 am

already condemned Doggone/GA, the question solicited a
yes or no answer not an appraisal of my educational needs,
although I appreciate your concern…

jm

January 27th, 2011
9:54 am

Things moving fast.

Egypt’s ElBaradei ready for interim power: report
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70Q3WF20110127

jm

January 27th, 2011
9:59 am

Jay as I said yesterday, Africa appears to be “blowing up”. wow….

Inspired by Tunisia and Egypt, Yemenis join in anti-government protests
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/27/AR2011012702081.html

Now we’ve got Sudan, Egypt, Gabon, Tunisia…. and Yemen

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
9:59 am

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:00 am

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:01 am

I’m sure the Chinese will take note of all this… but probably not in a productive manner.

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:03 am

Jay – your audience does not seem as engaged on foreign affairs….

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
10:03 am

I heard some of the reports on this yesterday, and while I agree with Jay that it’s unlikely a regime change will be forced…it might depend on how you define “regime” I think there’s a possibility that Mubarac will step down in favor of a younger member of his group. He’s 82 and he’s been in power 30 years. He may turn out not to have the energy to fight much longer.

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
10:03 am

jt

January 27th, 2011
10:05 am

Scout always b*tches about Islamic “stoning” victims———–

He would be the first in line to ………………..

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

Control freaks come in all colors and religions.

Three cheers to all freedom loving people who are shrugging these parasites off.

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
10:05 am

Mick

January 27th, 2011
10:06 am

jm

How do you think al-quaida will respond? All this turmoil presents an opportunity and turns the focus away from us – for the time being.

@@

January 27th, 2011
10:06 am

Prominent opposition figure !!??!!Mohamed ElBaradei!!??!! said he is willing to head a transitional government in Egypt if the public asked him to do so, regional news network al-Arabiya reported on Thursday.

AND

While one opposition leader, Mohamed ElBaradei, called on Egyptians to take part in these protests, the Muslim Brotherhood has been more ambivalent.

To worry or not to worry….?

In an interview with French newspaper Le Monde, ElBaradei said “I want to get people away from the idea that Iran will be a threat from tomorrow…

REALLY?

‘Israel is the number one threat to the Middle East given the nuclear arms it possesses,’ ElBaradei was quoted as saying.”

REALLY?

I never trusted ElBaradei. Was ecstatic when he resigned as Director General of the IAEA.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
10:07 am

A statement of principles combined with a realization we need to ‘walk a fine line.’

Appropriate.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 27th, 2011
10:08 am

This already looks like the “story of the year,” the one most likely to affect the next decade.

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:10 am

USMC – hopefully

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:11 am

Mick – I suspect Al Qaeda is busy setting up hideouts in Egypt right now…. and Hamas is busy twittering any buddies they have there…. could be a mess, who knows.

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:12 am

Ragnar – still early. Check this out…

China Will Face Crisis Within 5 Years, Investors Say
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=avtIJhTPT2Bo&pos=3

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
10:13 am

Why would poor people be upset that the wealthy would not
redistribute a part of their hard earned income ?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
10:14 am

Wealth envy on steroids.

Del

January 27th, 2011
10:17 am

The cauldron continues to boil. Hezbollah must be salivating.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
10:19 am

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:12 am
China Will Face Crisis Within 5 Years, Investors Say
—————————————–
Will this be when they ask us to redeem our securities in a
a currency other than dollars, and we refuse.

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:19 am

Folks, don’t forget. Volvo is a Chinese company now. Not american, not swedish. Chinese. Food for thought.

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:20 am

barking frog 10:19 – probably. China problems will mean US problems…. for sure

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
10:21 am

jm, when did Ford sell Volvo? 2008?

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:22 am

Go Ford!

Ford ‘Money Machine’ May Report Most Profitable Year Since 2000
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azvwFb8WIkLM&pos=7

getalife

January 27th, 2011
10:22 am

It started with people setting themselves on fire and has spread to Yemen.

@@

January 27th, 2011
10:23 am

DAMN!

Egyptian diplomat and Former Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mohammed el Baradei (R) and Saad Alkatani (L) member of Muslim brotherhood and member of Egyptian Parliament talk to reporters during el Baradei’s visit of the Muslim Brotherhood office in Cairo, Egypt, 05 June 2010. According to media reports, the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s main opposition group announced on 03 June their backing to an eventual candidacy of el Baradei in the next Egyptian presidential elections in 2011

I’ve never paid much attention to the MB. They’re kinda quiet.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been active in the US since the 1960s. Its stated goals have included propagating Islam and creating havens for Muslims in the US, and integrating Muslims. A main strategy has been dawah or Islamic renewal and outreach. In the 1960s, groups such as U.S. military personnel, prison inmates and African-Americans were specifically targeted for dawah. The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the USA is

The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a “Civilization-Jihadist” process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

‘Ya never know!!!!

jm

January 27th, 2011
10:23 am

USMC – Something like that

Paul

January 27th, 2011
10:26 am

Those wondering about AQ, Hezbollah may want to consider which of these groups, such as AQ, are transnational and which are grounded more as a political entity in another country. Also worth noting how Arab governments, over more than the past decade, have dealt with groups such as AQ, either by steering them out of country or, within country, by greatly diminishing their capabilities thru brutal, yet effective, repression.

Del

January 27th, 2011
10:28 am

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2011
10:32 am

Since 1948, the US have given Egypt close to 63B dollars in aid. What has it gotten us?

@@

January 27th, 2011
10:32 am

Where is the Muslim Brotherhood? According to Wiki:

Bahrain
Syria
Palestinian Territories
Israel
Jordan
Iran
Iraq
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Algeria
Sudan
Somalia
Tunisia
Libya
United States

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
10:34 am

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
10:35 am

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2011
10:32 am
Since 1948, the US have given Egypt close to 63B dollars in aid. What has it gotten us?
——————————————-
Oil.

@@

January 27th, 2011
10:37 am

ElBaradei always reminded me of Henry Waxman. They both looked like moles.

@@

January 27th, 2011
10:39 am

Where did jay’s left-wingers go?

harvey

January 27th, 2011
10:40 am

Why is it that illiterate, ignorant peoples procreate so abundantly? Is it because they know they will be taken care of? We have enabled a very sick world by being so giving. Time to force those who are dependent to grow up, depend upon themselves or get out of the way.

harvey

January 27th, 2011
10:41 am

@@ mentioned Henry Waxman. Was there ever an uglier man??

Paul

January 27th, 2011
10:43 am

And if a book had been found in the AZ desert, written in Brazil, celebrating the American concept of liberty, freedom and equality……

Or, to look at it another way, if we have people who break the law by speeding on the freeway (no one here has such reckless disregard for the law, I’m sure, as we’re all law abiders who condemn others who break the law) is the solution to put barriers across the freeway?

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2011
10:43 am

Harvey,

Lyle Lovvett might get my vote.

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2011
10:44 am

Make that Lovett.

Del

January 27th, 2011
10:44 am

“Where did jay’s left- wingers go”.

This isn’t their kind of thread topic. They prefer more threads about how , Republicans, conservatives, business people,Christians are all bad people and that America is a bad country in need of reformation. Also how good Muslims really are and how we should stop questioning their goodness.

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January 27th, 2011
10:45 am

Another interesting statement from Stratfor. After the revolution, the Iranian protesters/leftists (those who weren’t killed) flew to the U.S. They took up teaching positions at Harvard.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2011
10:46 am

is the solution to put barriers across the freeway?

that could make for some interesting reality teevee shows.

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January 27th, 2011
10:47 am

So in essence….the Ayatollahs have infiltrated our institutions of higher learning.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2011
10:47 am

I thought this was a thread about about how , Republicans, conservatives, business people,Christians are all bad people and that America is a bad country in need of reformation. Oh well. Nothing of interest here then.

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January 27th, 2011
10:50 am

I wonder if there’s an equivalent of Skull & Bones at Haaaaaa-vahd.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
10:55 am

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You’re just now hearing about MB?

Del

January 27th, 2011
10:56 am

Looks like this thread crapped out at 98 or 99.