House GOP pushing to refocus illegal immigration enforcement

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:16 am

This thread topic should probably bring them back.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
11:17 am

Anyone who is in this country illegally is breaking the law and is a criminal. Why so many have a difficult time understanding this is beyond me. No other country on Earth would allow 12 million plus illegals into their country. We are NOT a super-rich country who can afford to be Santa Claus to the world. If officials do not enforce our laws then these laws are worthless. I don’t want to live in a country where obeying the law is optional. Do you?

arnold

January 27th, 2011
11:18 am

If you stop the hiring, the problem becomes minor.

@@

January 27th, 2011
11:20 am

Going against the grain, I was in favor of Bush’s immigration reform policies. Does that make he and I liberals or compassionate conservatives? Perhaps pragmatists?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:21 am

Punish GREED not greed.

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:22 am

Hopefully there will be a Congressional investigation into the “OTM’s” illegally crossing our Southern border. DHS and the Democrats seem to want to play that issue down

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:25 am

If the great sucking sound took all the jobs to
Mexico why are they still coming here?

Dr. Feel

January 27th, 2011
11:25 am

“House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them.”

This one paragraph tells the whole story. Hypocrisy–plain and simple.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
11:26 am

“Why so many have a difficult time understanding this is beyond me”

NO ONE has trouble understanding it. Got that? Now here’s the qusetion: at $12,500 a pop to deport them, HOW MUCH MORE in taxes are you will to pay to ante up the BILLIONS it would cost to find and deport the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants currently in this country?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:27 am

Is it because of a lack of funds that we can’t do both?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
11:27 am

“Perhaps pragmatists?”

Yes, pragmatist. I was in favor of them also.

Peadawg

January 27th, 2011
11:27 am

“According to the Times story, however, House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them”

We need to both. If take away the employment opportunities, take away education opportunities, etc….then maybe they’ll stop coming here illegally.

Cherokee

January 27th, 2011
11:28 am

If ICE wants to score a really big roundup all they need to do is cordon off Gwinnett Place Mall on a Saturday afternoon and then just back the buses up to the door.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
11:28 am

“We need to both”

Agreed. Now how do we get that message to those Republican clowns in the House?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:29 am

Do illegals create ill eagles ? (US and Mexico)

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:30 am

Jay, C.T.’s been eating your lunch. Well over 200. I do see, however, that some of the left- wingers are coming back.

Peadawg

January 27th, 2011
11:30 am

OR hell if we do continue taking away all their opportunities here in the US, we won’t have to pay to deport them…they’ll eventually leave on there own.

getalife

January 27th, 2011
11:30 am

They need cheap labor to compete with China cons.

Amnesty.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:35 am

Is it because of a lack of funds that we can’t do both?

It becomes a matter of manpower. Do you, for one single minute, think the average person is going to want to hear that DHS is hiring tens of thousands of agents in this age of cutting spending and trimming the budget?

Ray MacNair

January 27th, 2011
11:35 am

Jay Bookman needs to realize that detentions and deportations have risen under the Obama administration because of the use of the I-9 Audits. These audits are used when corporations ask ICE to intervene when labor organizing activities are going on. The audits are also used to support wage theft, while employers fail to pay for work already accomplished.

Also, a small portion of the detentions and deportations are focused on actual criminal behaviors, contradicting Obama’s stated policy.

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:36 am

Peadawg@11:27, need to take away their Medicaid pre and post natal care access too. That’s also a huge magnet.

Pat Buchanan

January 27th, 2011
11:36 am

cordon off Gwinnett Place Mall on a Saturday afternoon and then just back the buses up to the door.

That method really doesn’t work very well.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
11:39 am

Why so many have a difficult time understanding this is beyond me”

NO ONE has trouble understanding it. Got that? Now here’s the qusetion: at $12,500 a pop to deport them, HOW MUCH MORE in taxes are you will to pay to ante up the BILLIONS it would cost to find and deport the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants currently in this country?

As much as it took!…if we gonna spend our a$$ silly into debt, it might as well be worth while

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:40 am

I think we have the manpower for significantly better enforcement. We’re just not using it to its fullest potential.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
11:42 am

So the GOP wants to go back to the more costly and less effective method?

Taking the country back-wards.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:43 am

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:35 am
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Convicted deportations are already up under Obama. We are
currently spending money to identify and deport illegal aliens.
Are we not pursuing the companies due to a lack of funds?
Too often i sacrifice clarity for brevity. Brevity is more important
in lingerie.

StJ

January 27th, 2011
11:43 am

If it costs $12,500 to deport an illegal, the business that hired them should be fined at least that much. $20,000 would be better. More than 5 such violations should result in loss of business license.

That should raise the stakes high enough for people to not risk hiring illegals in the first place.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

StJ

January 27th, 2011
11:43 am
————————————————
Judge Sirica used that strategy against a sitting President and
it worked.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

Even the $6.9 million figure seems low, but at least it represents a tenfold increase over the number just two years earlier.

Agreed, it should be much higher. And if the corporate water carriers and soft-on-crime neo-cons would get out of the way it would be.

Think of the tens of thousands of “employers” in Georgia alone, who knowingly used illegals and profited enormously by doing so. These men royally screwed their fellow Georgians and Americans by driving down labor rates and of course avoiding by NOT paying what they owe.

But fortunately, we got lots and lots of “conservatives”, around the nation and on this very blog, who have adamantly and frequently demanded that these men be held accountable to the rule of law and that justice be served with fines and/or imprisonment. Hell, maybe to send a strong message to these unindicted criminals, we should deport a bunch of them too.

Cons – they vilify the weak and glorify the wicked…

Paulo977

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

THINK WHAT YOU LIKE ….THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY ILLEGALS SO, IT’S THE WAY OF THINGS TO KEEP UNFOLDING AND UNFOLDING ………….

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

DHS confirms cheaper to deport every illegal alien than allowing them to stay
Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs, Nelson Peacock, responding to request from several U.S. Senators, including Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), wrote: “Our conservative estimate suggests that ICE would require a budget of more than $135 billion to apprehend, detain and remove the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population.”

In July 2010, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) released the results of a study which examined the costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local levels. The study found that U.S. state and local governments shell out $84.2 billion annually in various services (law enforcement, schools, social services, etc.), with California taxpayers alone, spending $21 billion on illegal aliens every year.

The same study found that $29 billion is spent every year in federal funds on illegal aliens.

So, while it would cost a one-time fee of about $135 billion to deport every single illegal alien in the country, it is actually a bargain considering the fact that it already costs us $113 billion annually to keep them here.

In other words, the mass deportation would pay for itself in a little over a year.

Nice try Libs!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

Well, it figures this illegal Kenyan would pick on a few godly people that just want to make a few quick bucks to get away from needing to pay a huge $7.50 an hour to people that are legal. Right now there’s thousands of yard mowing cos. and chicken plant bosses just begging for cheap workers so as to make some money and all they get for their trouble is arrested.

We need to round up the illegal people and leave the people that hire them alone. We could do it cheap. Like I said many times before there must be millions of us rednecks that buy big pickups and they’d be willing to haul the illegals and dump them over the border for just some gas money. But no, they won’t even consider that. I guess we’ll need to wait till 2012 so we can elect a good Republican President and put the cops on the people that really break the law. We need to remember that hiring the illegals ain’t a crime—unless the people doing the hiring get caught.

Have a good lunch everybody.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
11:48 am

Doggone/GA

Maybe we should bring back all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help deport them. I think taking care of our own problems before worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan makes sense. Got that?

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:49 am

With maybe a total of 50,000 Agents/Officers (that’s including ICE and CBP), is that really enough to track, apprehend, and deport the 12 million? Only ICE has authority beyond the border, so you would have to subtract around 25,000 CBP officers that have no authority beyond the border.

Once ICE Agents apprehend them, they have to go before an immigration judge. With at least 100 federal judge seats vacant at this time, do we have the manpower in the courts to handle that many deportation proceedings?

There isn’t the manpower available to do the impossible, as what most people want done with immigration. It has to be a joint effort from the business community and law enforcement. If the business community continues to hire illegals, the problem will never go away.

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
11:50 am

“House GOP pushing to refocus illegal immigration enforcement”

And rightfully so. They are breaking our laws, Jay.

When is the last time you reviewed the immigration policies of Mexico?

Yeah, no kidding, huh!

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
11:51 am

dawgie did not reat the op ed, just the title. bad dawgie

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2011
11:52 am

With maybe a total of 50,000 Agents/Officers (that’s including ICE and CBP), is that really enough to track, apprehend, and deport the 12 million?

duh. Use the 16,000 extra IRS agents being hired and trained even as we speak to enforce Osamacare.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:53 am

frog

You can’t pursue the un-pursuable. When Congress shields the very people who could be most productive in removing the “bait” that attracts some of the illegals, you won’t be able to stem the flow.

In the bigger picture of things, there’s a lot more to the total outlook of who’s considered illegal other than the Hispanic face that everybody automatically applies.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
11:53 am

can you hear that…..crickets

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am

And yes, one of the very few things that George of the Bungle got right in his entire administration was supporting the McCain/Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.

But the rabid, always enraged cons in the GOP base went berserk and derailed what could have been a pragmatic and workable move towards resolving a LONGSTANDING problem.

More non-progress from the Party of No…

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am

Enter your comments here

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am

barking frog@11:25 am

If the great sucking sound took all the jobs to
Mexico why are they still coming here?
——————-

because it just kept sucking all the way to China

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:57 am

duh. Use the 16,000 extra IRS agents being hired and trained even as we speak to enforce Osamacare.

Oh, I forgot about them… We’ll have to adjust their training a little for the additional assignment.

catlady

January 27th, 2011
11:57 am

Well, of course the GOP doesn’t want to go after the employers. They are, after all, overwhelmingly white. I would also posit that they disproportionately vote GOP, but that is another story.

Do we go after the guy who buys the heroin or the guy who supplies it? Because the business owners who hire illegal immigrants are those who are profiting–the suppliers.

Make the fines heavy enough, and the jail terms long enough, and the employers willing to “save” money by hiring illegal immigrants would decide to save money by not being the facilitators.

And if it costs $12,000 to deport, let’s charge the home country that money taken out of the aid we send them. That might give them more reasons to seal their borders. Until we cut out all our dependence on Mexican gas/oil reserves, they have us over a barrel, so to speak. I think that is one reason why we have been so lax.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
11:58 am

Osamacare?

@@

January 27th, 2011
11:58 am

I’m of the opinion that we’ve got to gather the wheat before disposing of the chaffe. If ‘ya want a temporary green card, bring an illegal friend so we can check him/her out. Take a civics class while working. A class in English too. Whether they graduate to permanent status will depend on their success in learning both. If they fail, they’re sent back to their homelands and can try again in a coupl’a years. Not sure they’d wait though.

Watched Griff Jenkins follow detainees/deportees thru the process last night on video. They all said they’d be back within a couple of days. One said he’d be back the same night. Many talked about having wives and kids they were leaving behind. “Who will provide for my wife and kids?” one asked.

The American taxpayer no doubt.

It’s a mess.

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:59 am

This straw man argument about the cost of deportation is over the top. I would bet that the cost associated with illegal alien fraud in Social Security and Medicare along with the free and legal Medicaid for illegals would be staggering. The three entitlements that need serious attention to get our deficit under control are being financially burdened by illegal’s gaming our system.

Matti

January 27th, 2011
11:59 am

But the rabid, always enraged cons in the GOP base went berserk and derailed what could have been a pragmatic and workable move towards resolving a LONGSTANDING problem.

But.. but… their widespread, longstanding CONTEMPT for anything and everybody different makes the world such a beautiful place!! Right? Makes me wanna break out the old Louis Armstrong and sing about what a beautiful EFFING world we live in! THANKS, always-enraged cons! You’re the best!

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:00 pm

50,000 agents: 10 illegals per agent = 500,000: 20 per agent =1,000,000:
240 per agent =12 million: 1 year span = 20 per month per agent. one per day
with weekends off.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:00 pm

C’mon…no responses to my 11:47…that was too easy

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
12:00 pm

In other words, the mass deportation would pay for itself in a little over a year.

Nice try Libs!

If the GOP is trying to eliminate public financing of elections to save $500 million over 10 years, do you honestly believe they are going to spend that kind of money for a single program in one fiscal year???

You should try that one onstage at Second City in Chicago.

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:01 pm

When is the last time you reviewed the immigration policies of Mexico?

That reminds me…Griff was keen to point out when bidding the illegals “Adios” that he was standing on the line between the Mexican and U.S. border. Said that if he crossed, he’d be arrested by the Mexican government.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am
——————————————–
Are the mexicans importing from china and restamping
‘Made in Mexico’?

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

C’mon…no responses to my 11:47…that was too easy

Easy isn’t the word I would use to describe your 11:47…

Just sayin

Del

January 27th, 2011
12:06 pm

Mark T, standby the lib’s are probably scurrying all over the far-left sites trying to find a rigged rebuttal. Then they’ll come back and try to tell you that they’ve won the debate.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:06 pm

If the GOP is trying to eliminate public financing of elections to save $500 million over 10 years, do you honestly believe they are going to spend that kind of money for a single program in one fiscal year???

That I cant answer, but Libs/Dems can go ahead and drop the argument that we cant afford it..We cant afford not to!

jt

January 27th, 2011
12:07 pm

The sovereign state of Georgia could deport an illegal immigrant for FAR less than 12,000 dollars.

Let us quit paying or deport all Federal government workers and then use this money for our own state border control.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 27th, 2011
12:08 pm

Mark T.

Nice try libs????

There are many progressives here who are in favor of deportation of illegals so it’s not a regressive vs progressive argument

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:08 pm

Del, yeah Ive seen it time and time again, put a fact in front of a Liberal and the name calling and sarcasm starts

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:10 pm

There are many progressives here who are in favor of deportation of illegals so it’s not a regressive vs progressive argument

I wouldnt go as far as “MANY”

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:10 pm

“Maybe we should bring back all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help deport them. I think taking care of our own problems before worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan makes sense. Got that?”

Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders.

godless heathen

January 27th, 2011
12:11 pm

$12,500 per deportation? Someone should call William Shatner – Priceline could get them a better price on a Greyhound ticket.

Or maybe Dog the Bounty Hunter is the man for the job. Offer him $1000 per.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders
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The Governors can use the national guard.

Matti

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

put a fact in front of a Liberal and the name calling and sarcasm starts

Or, put an over-simplified “plan” in front of them that is completely devoid of logistical realities and contingencies, and watch them swooooooon over your brilliance at being able to single-handedly solve a decades-in-the-making, exponentially complex, multi-billion dollar problem in just a few short paragraphs on a blog. WOW! Mark T for President!!! Woooooo! Thanks for making my day, man. Now that you’re here, I have HOPE again!

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

“Each deportation costs the federal government about $12,500,”

Does that # seem too expensive, considering the cost of the drug problem that they’ve created in Gwinnett County?

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
12:15 pm

So one plan is to spend a fortune and in one year we kick every single “illegal” out and the problem is solved and none will come back, no employers will ever hire again, the swell in the court system to process all the arrests, the empty homes and rental units, the “camps” needed to house at government expense those waiting for the backlog to process? That $12,500 purported cost skyrockets in real terms. Simple minded solution doomed to fail. But do take it to your local Republican/Tea Party congreassional representative and put it a bill.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:15 pm

Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders

Wrong…it is unconstitutional to use our military to enforce martial law…not to protect our borders

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:17 pm

Matti

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm
And the sarcasm begins

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:18 pm

If there’s three doors, then you have a 33% chance of getting it right from the jump. After you eliminate one door, then you’re left with two. Choosing between the two would give you a 50% chance of getting it right.

Southern Comfort, Hillbilly Deluxe, barking frog, and Mountain Man–Back to Math class for all of you!!!

Jay–if you poke your head in, I’m curious to know if you grasp the concept behind the “Monty Hall” problem I posed last night:

If you were on “Let’s Make A Deal”, and selected Door #1, then Monty Hall told you that the Grand prize was NOT behind Door #3 and gave you the chance to switch your choice to Door #2, should you switch?? What percentage of the time will the prize then be behind Door #2:

(A) 33%

(B) 50%

(C) 67%

If you can’t answer correctly, Jay, then you must repeat after me: “I am NOT smarter than the average Georgia student.”

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:18 pm

Jay- You’re also missing a big point of the legislation introduced in the Ga house. The bill will also prevent illegal immigrants from entering state colleges in Ga. I was very glad to see this. States colleges have, for too long, turned a blind eye to illegals taking up space in our university system.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:19 pm

With limited resources you expend the resources you have where you get the largest payback.

Dang, you’d think these “Republicans are better ’cause they understand how to run a business” types would figure that out –

Carlosgvv 11:17

“I don’t want to live in a country where obeying the law is optional. Do you?”

People should remember that next time they’re driving.

Cities have held votes where they did away with enforcement practices to prevent people from running red lights and killing and maiming others. Just another case of expecting other people to obey the law… but not ‘me’ if I think it’s a stupid law that infringes on my ‘freedom.’

Paulo977

“THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY ILLEGALS”

???????????

AmVet

“And yes, one of the very few things that George of the Bungle got right in his entire administration was supporting the McCain/Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007. But the rabid, always enraged cons in the GOP base went berserk ”

We coulda’ solved this years ago….

Off Topic

USMC dawg and Scout:

Conversation overheard on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz while flying from Europe to Dubai:
Iranian Air Defense Site: ‘Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.’
Aircraft: ‘This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.’
Air Defense Site: ‘You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!’
Aircraft: ‘This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send ‘em up, I’ll wait!’
Air Defense Site: ( …. total silence)
There is something about a Marine that makes other countries listen to reason.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:19 pm

“But do take it to your local Republican/Tea Party congreassional representative and put it a bill.”

And they’ll love it…as long as you don’t ALSO tell them taxes will have to be raised to pay for it.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:19 pm

Lord Help Us:

“It appears you are ‘for’ Democracy when it conforms to your definition and ‘against’ democracy when it does not…”

I say again: Hitler, Stalin, Mussoilini, Mao, Chavez, etc. were all “elected”.

If you think those were/are democracies, I have some land in Fla. I would like you to look at.

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Hey, Matti–Hope your having a great day!!

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Maybe we should bring back all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help deport them. I think taking care of our own problems before worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan makes sense. Got that?”

Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders.

Did you get out of the 4th grade?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

“Wrong…it is unconstitutional to use our military to enforce martial law…not to protect our borders”

They can only be used to protect our borders from a military invasion. Illegal immigration is not a military invasion, it is a law enforcement issue.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

@@: Going against the grain, I was in favor of Bush’s immigration reform policies. Does that make he and I liberals or compassionate conservatives? Perhaps pragmatists?

Pragmatist. I was in favor of them too. I am also in favor of the bill that the Dems tried to push a few weeks ago (make a more direct path to citizenship contingent upon military service). A lot of the repugs weren’t for this though – it seems to me they would’ve jumped on it; especially since a lot of them were military dodgers during the Vietnam era. And giving their propensity to start wars all over the world, they should’ve seen the need for the manpower to fuel said wars.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Mark T

I wonder about that DHS report and the FAIR numbers.

FAIR needs to be examined closely.

FAIR is considered a hate group by the SPLC for ties to white supremicist groups and funding from The Pioneer Fund. For the last 70 years, the Pioneer Fund has funded controversial research about race and intelligence, essentially aimed at proving the racial superiority of white people. The group’s original mandate was to promote the genes of those deemed to be descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original 13 states prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

I think there is plenty of reason to be skeptical.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

“Well, of course the GOP doesn’t want to go after the employers. They are, after all, overwhelmingly white.”

Race card played.

Now, on to real debate -

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:21 pm

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:18 pm

What percentage of the time will the prize then be behind Door #2:
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100% of the times that it is placed there.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:21 pm

Doggone/GA:

You “are” dodging me ……………

In any case, on violent criminals need be executed, jailed or deported.

99% of the rest will go home if they absolutely cannot find work or receive ANY benefits from the government except emergency care at a hospital while they are enroute to Mexico.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

barking frog:

I used to live on Lookout Mtn.

Do we have something in common here ?

WillieRae

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

Jay,
You and I might disagree about the policy here. However you are dealing with the policy. You are not assinating the character of people who don’t share your policy views. You are not making sweeping comdemnations of their motives. There is a disagreement about policy and we can talk about how best to move forward. What you have written is civil in the best sense.
This is what real editorial writers do…provoke discussions about the right way forward, argue passionately for a point of view, not play partisan thug.

Well done.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

Thanks for posting this info, Jay. It’s no wonder why some US corporations are so against this administration given that they’re the target in the illegal immigrant battle instead of the little guy just trying to feed a family.

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

“The Pioneer Fund. For the last 70 years, the Pioneer Fund has funded controversial research about race and intelligence, essentially aimed at proving the racial superiority of white people”

Granny- You are really full of it today and your comments regarding Pioneer Fund are not accurate. I wonder if you apply those same standards to some REAL race-focused organizations….such as the Congressional Black Caucus?

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

Off topic.

I’m not convinced Mubarak has left the country. Seems his party has sent word they’re willing to listen to the protesters but make no concessions.

The Egyptian military is not in favor of Mubarak’s son assuming the throne.

That, in my opinion, is a good sign. Some countries require military rule. Tunisia’s military has said they support the protesters.

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

100% of the times that it is placed there.

barking frog–I checked with the judges, and they say that that is a valid answer.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

ronald

prove the data wrong

I dare you!

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:25 pm

Jay:

“According to the Times story, however, House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them.”

If you recall, I let Bush have it many times on here for his lax approach to this problem. I never could figure out what was blinding him to a correct approach.

I “think” you and I are in agreement on this one. Deport only the violent ones but make punishment so severe for employers who knowingly hire illegals that most will head home.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
12:25 pm

…it is unconstitutional to use our military to enforce martial law…not to protect our borders…

Not so. At least without more than that simplistic answer.

The statute of posse comitatus generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The intent of the act is to prevent the military forces of the United States from becoming a national police force or guardia civil. Accordingly, the act prohibits the use of the military to “execute the laws.” Execution of the laws is perceived to be a civilian police function, which includes the arrest and detention of criminal suspects, search and seizure activities, restriction of civilian movement through the use of blockades or checkpoints, gathering evidence for use in court, and the use of undercover personnel in civilian drug enforcement activities.

The federal courts have had several opportunities to define what behavior by military personnel in support of civilian law enforcement is permissible under the act. The test applied by the courts has been to determine whether the role of military personnel in the law enforcement operation was “passive” or “active.” Active participation in civilian law enforcement, such as making arrests, is deemed a violation of the act, while taking a passive supporting role is not.[7] Passive support has often taken the form of logistical support to civilian police agencies. Recognizing that the military possesses unique equipment and uniquely trained personnel, the courts have held that providing supplies, equipment, training, facilities, and certain types of intelligence information does not violate the act. Military personnel may also be involved in planning law enforcement operations, as long as the actual arrest of suspects and seizure of evidence is carried out by civilian law enforcement personnel.

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/trebilcock.htm

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:26 pm

Related story…Agents found a large,working catapult that was used to hurl drugs over a border fence. Hey Jay, pretty soon they will start hurling people over, beating your 18 second time of climbing over.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

Paul:

LOL !

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

“Hey Jay, pretty soon they will start hurling people over, beating your 18 second time of climbing over”

They could try, but Mythbusters proved that it would be too dangerous to be workable!

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

I know a Latino guy who runs a masonry business. All of his employees are Latino. Don’t know whether they’re illegal or not. The employer’s legal though. Was born here. Don’t know whether his parents were legal though. He’s pretty old….probably are.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

Granny

Is Pioneer Fund the Right’s equivalent of Soros?

They gotta learn to funnel their $$$ through other groups on their way to the final destination so they can deny direct support -

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:28 pm

Frickin’ laser guided catapult.

JohnnyReb

January 27th, 2011
12:29 pm

First and foremost, you can’t reward illegal behavior by legally granting the object of desire. In this case, illegally coming into the USA and being given citizenship or a path to citizenship.

Next, you won’t ever stop the influx if they believe there is even a snowballs chance in h e l l they can become a citizen and/or live here without hassle.

Employers with illegal workers should be targeted and brought to justice, however, if you do workplace raids you not only find the illegal workers, you get the bad employers as well. Just nailing the employer is a whimpy Left position, similar to others, that really don’t address the problem as it should.

The cost sited to deport is ridiculous and a product of weak-kneed officials bending to the whims of the Left by granting rights of Citizenship to non-citizens. Don’t you think a legal working along with a bunch of illegals will be able to produce paperwork whereas the illegals can’t. It does not take 6 months of court proceedings, a free attorney, out-on-bail, etc. to understand the illegal needs to be loaded up and dumped back into Mexico.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:30 pm

Doggone…..Many illegals die crossing the desert, some are killed by the drug gangs. I would take my chance with a catapult.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:31 pm

Paul

Nope, I’m afaiid it’s much worse than that. Their history is actually very creepy.

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:31 pm

Catapulting illegals. That reminds me of an exchange between the original Scooter and RW (the original) years ago.

Deplorable but funny.

While giggling, I scolded ‘em both.

LeeH1

January 27th, 2011
12:31 pm

Look. We’re Americans. We are known for our problem solving skills. We are pragmatic.
We have an unemployment problem.
We have an illegal immigration problem, and immigrants are taking our jobs.
Simple solution: for every illegal immigrant deported, we charge their country of origin the costs of deportation $12,500 per) +10%. The ten percent goes to the person turning them in. We can either charge the country this ammount through taxes on their imports into America, or a reduction in aid and support. However, we end up making a profit off a common problem.
Besides, there is no impetus for Mexico to stop illegal border crossing- indeed, they profit by it. Now, we will get them on our side in seeing the need to stop illegal immigration. We will no longer have to worry about a fence- the Mexicans will build it and enforce it in order to reduce cross border immigration.
We win. They win. We all win.
We can also offer free deportation for those who voluntarily turn themselves in and are willing to go home. This will encourage the other countries to call them home.
Those who fight immigration and appeal to lenghty court rulings are OK. We will just charge everything to their home country if they lose. Their home country will then be encouraged to discourage them from doing this.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

“we charge their country of origin the costs of deportation $12,500 per) +10%. ”

And if they refuse to pay, how would you advise actually collecting the money? Just curious.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

BADA, one had better have one helluva mattress under their arse when it hits that hard desert ground a couple of hundred yards later!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

Oh, I forgot about them… We’ll have to adjust their training a little for the additional assignment.

Well, it don’t apply to anybody here, but if we took a few thousand of the so-called airport security people away from feeling up 90 year old grannies and terrifying kids and put them to work arresting and deporting illegals we’d have the problem solved. Instead of them setting around and blogging all day.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

Bruno, each time you choose you have a 50% chance of
being right unless there is only one door, then your chance
increases to 100% unless the door is locked when you must
then stand at attention, see GW Bush.

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

Illegals….. Global Warming…..And Palin I think I just pissed my pants as to what keeps popping up here. And to think that the AJC is dumb enough to pay Jay & Tucker to keep writing the same things over and over and over and over. GOT THAT!!!

Jay wrote a good article the other day and then it’s the same old CRAP.

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

If we’re gonna arrest employers and illegal immigrants, can we arrest the mayors of sanctuary cities?

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
12:34 pm

jt: The sovereign state of Georgia could deport an illegal immigrant for FAR less than 12,000 dollars.

Georgia!! Georgia?!? G.E.O.R.G.I.A.!!!!!?? Go fish………..

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:34 pm

The whole city council?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:34 pm

Personally, I think the idea of charging the cost to the hiring company, or person, has stronger legs…but of course that would mean bringing the House Republicans on board with the idea – but something tells me they might be a bit reluctant to support that.

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:34 pm

“ronald, prove the data wrong I dare you!”

You’re the one making claims about the Pioneer Fund, not me. Its your job to substantiate your claim, no one elses. And how 1-sided of you to single out an organization as supporting caucasians, while neglecting to also mention the many organizations that solely exist (some in Congress) to further the agenda of African Americans?

And even if the Pioneer Fund did what you claim, I’ll ask you which is worse- The research of The Pioneer Fund OR the Congressional Black Caucus using Taxpayer money to provide scholaships to African American family members of theirs (it doesn’t get any more blatently wrong than that)?

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
12:34 pm

Tens of thousands demonstrate for ouster of Yemen’s president:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-yemen-protests-20110127,0,2912507.story

Matti

January 27th, 2011
12:35 pm

Hey Bruno!

I’m intrigued by your math games, but since math is not my strength, I choose not to gamble. Anyone offering me something I can’t see behind a set of closed doors is not on the up & up, IMO. I’ll pass on all three of them.

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:35 pm

Aren’t all or most sanctuary cities run by liberals? Don’t know, I’m askin’.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:35 pm

I’ve hurt Doggone’s feelings.

I’m sorry.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:35 pm

Catapulting illegals….Should they go for distance or accuracy?

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
12:35 pm

Doggone, I think we could quit giving them aid. I also think we need to start shooting their drug traffickers, I’ll bet that would slow down the drug trade.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:36 pm

“SNOWIEST JAN IN NYC HISTORY!”

Ah ……………………….. nevermind.

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
12:37 pm

@@….. right on, and BADA BING, that was funny, lol

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:37 pm

Granny

Well, seems to me it’s protected speech and the people doing the funding are complying with the law. ’tis the price we pay for a democracy engaged in the robust debate of ideas.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:38 pm

“SALT LAKE CITY — A Utah military base that carries out tests to protect troops against biological attacks was locked down for nearly 12 hours overnight due to a “serious concern” before it was allowed to reopen early Thursday, officials said. ”

Uh Oh ! Stay upwind !

Better living through chemistry.

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
12:39 pm

Don’t go there Scout or they will crucify you.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:39 pm

“The top numbers cruncher for Congress warned Thursday that the federal government increasingly risks sending the country into a “fiscal crisis,” projecting that unless cuts are made, within a decade the national debt could reach nearly 100 percent of all annual economic activity.”

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:40 pm

poison pen:

That’s o.k. I’ve been to CBR school ……………..

bob from account temps

January 27th, 2011
12:43 pm

jay – if it costs $12.5K to deport an illegal, what does it cost to prosecute a corp that has a lawyer and fights back?

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:43 pm

BADA:

Calm down…calm down…calm down. That was AWESOME!

(ISH)

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:44 pm

“Upset that his 20-year-old had become too “Westernized,” an Iraqi immigrant ran her over in a Phoenix parking lot in 2009, killing the woman, eyewitnesses testified on Tuesday.”

“Muslims to Make Up 26% of Population in 20 Years”

Ah ……………….. nevermind.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:44 pm

Thursday Evening 8:pm Channel 5 WAGA FOX “Catapult” Illegal Aliens compete for distance and accuracy for cash prizes.(N)

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:44 pm

Let’s try that again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GI5PbO6j50&feature=bf_prev&list=PL3B4CD8099C5BE1A5&index=80

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

BADA BING:

You know, this could wind up being an Olympic event !!

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is charged with preventing the entry of terrorists, securing the borders, and carrying out immigration enforcement functions. The Department of Defense’s (DOD) role in the execution of this responsibility is to provide support to DHS and other federal, state and local (and in some cases foreign) law enforcement agencies, when requested. Since the 1980s, the DOD (and National Guard), as authorized by Congress, has conducted a wide variety of counterdrug support missions along the borders of the United States.

The National Guard is part of our military isnt it?

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

Matti@12:14 pm

Ah darlin you look so good adorned in sarcasm LOL

Riley

January 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

Mother Earth is tired of being raped by progress, waste and wars. Our Father Who Art In Heaven is BORED with our materialism. Serve God!

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
12:46 pm

The bill will also prevent illegal immigrants from entering state colleges in Ga. I was very glad to see this. States colleges have, for too long, turned a blind eye to illegals taking up space in our university system.

Don’t illegals pay tuition? The girl they arrested in Marietta last year was a “paying” student from S. America. Just saying…….

LeeH1: Simple solution: for every illegal immigrant deported, we charge their country of origin the costs of deportation $12,500 per) +10%.

We can also hold our collective breath(s) waiting on the check……

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:46 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8VPHUvCHHI

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:48 pm

“The National Guard is part of our military isnt it?”

Actually…no, they are not. They are state forces, but IF they are called into national service then as long as they are in that service they are subject to posse comitatus also.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:49 pm

Scout….it would be Mexico’s first Olympic Gold Medal ever! A perfecto diez.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:50 pm

Ronald

Nope – you are the one making claims about ME:

“Granny- You are really full of it today and your comments regarding Pioneer Fund are not accurate”

Prove that yourself or become just another troll with no credibility.

My data as from Sourcewatch. (Though there is tons available)

I encouage everyone to google The Prioneer Fund, review it’s history and come to their own conclusions.

Don’t you think that’s a good idea ronald?

…

Paul

Yep protected free speech you bet. So’s mine.

Anyway, these guys are creepy and I think they are creepy enough to
require extra scrutiny.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:54 pm

BADA BING!

Ole’ !

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:54 pm

“Catapult” on FOX, hosted by Eric Estrada. Brought to you by Taco Bell. Make a run for the border!

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:55 pm

Granny

Actually, I think “extra scrutiny” is a good idea for nearly every claim, charge, etc made – especially when so much of what we read is a reprint or extract from a third party or a party with an agenda.

But yeah, they’re creepy….

Then again, I watched American Idol tryouts last night and talk about creepy…..

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:56 pm

Paul

Well said, including the American Idol part….

Rodney

January 27th, 2011
12:57 pm

Have any of you Republican’s seen the nude Dr. Laura pics? There’s a moral lady for ya, especially since a married man took them. Gotta love conservative values. I love the people you have on your team, Rush, Dr. Laura, Bill O. Real classy bunch, lol.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:57 pm

BADA !

“Texas joins 34 states watching Ohio’s controversial use of a substitute death row drug. ”

This is rediculous !

“Hang, shoot or electrocute !”

Hey, that rhymes !

Can we say bumper sticker ?

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
12:58 pm

Granny, LOL!

In the entire pantheon of abysmal right-wing blogging, that one may just set an all-time low!

If I understand the gist of it, all I have to do is say you are wrong and then tell you that you have to prove me wrong! Absolutely brilliant!

Speaking of Taco Bell, where’s Mystery Meat been? (How people actually voluntarily pay to eat that Alpo is beyond me…)

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:58 pm

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:55 pm
Then again, I watched American Idol tryouts last night and talk about creepy…..
——————————————–
Giving JLo some ‘extra scrutiny’?

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
1:00 pm

Speaking of Taco Bell, where’s Mystery Meat been?

Tastes like chicken.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:01 pm

“Obama ‘very close’ to picking new press secretary”

Is “Pinky Lee” still available?

Some of you won’t get that.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:01 pm

barking frog:

Lookout Mtn. ?

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
1:02 pm

Air Mexico announces new border flights. Flt # 302 Departure time 4:02. Arrival time 4:02.3. Meals and drinks not available.

jt

January 27th, 2011
1:02 pm

DebbieDoRight

Yank lawyers too.

And any other illegal North Eastern progressives.

Provided the suspect was not the president, I could deport an illegal for less than 500 dollars.
Ask for a birth certificate. If they don’t have one. One way bus ticket to Nogales.

Problem solved. (although, to be fair, I PREFER an illegal hard-working hispanic family to a New Jersyian or Californian that comes here and votes Democrat).

Misty Fyed

January 27th, 2011
1:04 pm

“In the entire pantheon of abysmal right-wing blogging, that one may just set an all-time low!”

Is this guy for real….?

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
1:04 pm

Taco Bell…Make a run for the border. Or is that -Get the runs near the border?

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
1:06 pm

Don’t illegals pay tuition? The girl they arrested in Marietta last year was a “paying” student from S. America. Just saying

Murderers my pay taxes too…just sayin

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
1:06 pm

Scout, I haven’t lived on Lookout Mtn. but I grew up
in the Tennessee Grand Canyon. I worked for some
folks that lived on Lookout and they said when Barry
Goldwater was campaigning for President the socialites
were lining up outside his bedroom door to tuck him in.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:06 pm

“Our conservative estimate suggests that ICE would require a budget of more than $135 billion to apprehend, detain and remove the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population.”

[...]

The same study found that $29 billion is spent every year in federal funds on illegal aliens.

Other than apprehending, detaining, housing, and removing illegal aliens, what other areas would federal funds be spent on illegal aliens??

Anybody who’s serious about doing something about illegal immigration needs to go to http://www.usajobs.opm.gov and fill out an application for ICE, CBP or Border Patrol. Put your effort where your words are. Otherwise, pay your taxes and let the people who want to do something about it continue to do so without all the back chatter.

@@

January 27th, 2011
1:07 pm

Debbie:

I kinda lag behind here. Always off doing something else, but this?

And giving their propensity to start wars all over the world, they should’ve seen the need for the manpower to fuel said wars.

So you would have chosen to use them as cannon fodder in defense of…….?

My support was different. It would’ve been an opportunity for them to further their education, learn a trade, prove their allegiance to a country they love. Big difference between the driving motives, don’tcha think?

They BOTH suck

January 27th, 2011
1:07 pm

Scout

We do not and probably never will agree on too much, however I’m with you on your 12:57 post

HANG EM HIGH

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
1:08 pm

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:48 pm
“The National Guard is part of our military isnt it?”

Actually…no, they are not. They are state forces, but IF they are called into national service then as long as they are in that service they are subject to posse comitatus also.

The National Guard of the United States is a reserve military force composed of state National Guard militia members or units under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States.[2][3] The National Guard of the United States is a joint reserve component of the United States Army, the United States Air Force and maintains two subcomponents: the Army National Guard of the United States for the Army[2] and the Air Force’s Air National Guard of the United States.[2]

Im am officially through debating a child

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:12 pm

They BOTH suck:

10-4 !

Kamchak

January 27th, 2011
1:12 pm

Im am officially through debating a child

Im am laughing my ass off at you!

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:12 pm

frog:

what’s the Tenn. Grand Canyon?

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:13 pm

Ask for a birth certificate. If they don’t have one. One way bus ticket to Nogales

Now there is a simple solution. No due process. No rights. No court hearing. No constitution. Why I dare say, even Ms. Palin could be removed unless she has her birth certificate on her person, right? What if someone does not like her, why they can just throw away that certificate and get the bus ticket right?

The intelligence of the right wing commentary seems to diminish with the absurdity of the unrelated posts, but maybe its just an aberation.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:13 pm

Provided the suspect was not the president, I could deport an illegal for less than 500 dollars.
Ask for a birth certificate. If they don’t have one. One way bus ticket to Nogales.

A Naturalized US Citizen’s birth certificate would show that they were born in a foreign company. The quickest way to lose your job in immigration enforcement is to try to deport a USC.

kitty

January 27th, 2011
1:14 pm

THe GOP claims to understand supply and demand, do they? End the demand and the supply will stop crossing the border. The ONLY way to deal with illegal immigration is to make it unfavorable to hire illegals. THe only way to do that is not with little fines, but BIG ONES. Make the fine not another cost of business where hiring them still pays. Make it very punitive and we won’t need to worry about illegals over the border anymore. Then we can focus on the drug runners.

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
1:14 pm

Mark, as someone who spent 8 years in the Guard, you are correct.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:14 pm

“Roofs Collapsing under Tons of Snow in New England”

Ah …………………….. nevermind.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
1:15 pm

Scout, that part of the river from Chattanooga to Hale’s
Bar Dam. Runs along 41 Hwy part of the way.

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
1:16 pm

As long as we are rehashing old crap today, the HHS has reported that 733 waivers have been given out for Obamacare.
I wonder how many Conservative groups got one.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:16 pm

Kamchak

January 27th, 2011
1:12 pm
Im am officially through debating a child

Im am laughing my ass off at you!

We have an infraction on the play. Unsportsmanlike conduct… illegal use of the brain, leading with the helmet… 15 yard penalty… Automatic 1st down.

Told ya’ I was gonna get you Kam!!!

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:16 pm

Keep up the good fight! :

They are due some limited rights but Immigration Court hearings are a sham and a disgrace.

ronald

January 27th, 2011
1:16 pm

“I encouage everyone to google The Prioneer Fund, review it’s history and come to their own conclusions.”

Thats your “proof” Granny? You just tell everyone to go to Google and do your work for you? LOL…And I’m still waiting on an answer to my question comparing Pioneer Fund to CBC? You just gonna igore that one? You need to be more balanced in your comments, Granny. It will give you some credibility that you currently lack.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:17 pm

GOOD FOR THE GOP!!!! Enforce the laws.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
1:17 pm

Mark T
January 27th, 2011
12:08 pm

Del, yeah Ive seen it time and time again, put a fact in front of a Liberal and the name calling and sarcasm starts.

A scant 22 minute later:

Mark T
January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Doggone/GA

Did you get out of the 4th grade?

Oh for a nickle every time I’ve seen that happen here…

Misty, what if there were no hypothetical questions?

LOL…

Don’t ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4HGlmtOcg

(A special shout out to that old hippie Old Flat Top!)

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
1:17 pm

Thanks poison pen…Liberals dont understand facts

Mr_B

January 27th, 2011
1:18 pm

Ronald: Try Googling “Tu Quoque Fallacy.” Whatever Cogressional Black Caucus is has no bearing one way or the other on the reliability of the study you cited at 11:57. I couldn’t find it on FAIR’s website, but it may well be there somewhere. I would want to know above all who paid for it and what their methodology was before I made any assessment of the study’s validity. You failed to provide that information.

They BOTH suck

January 27th, 2011
1:18 pm

poison pen

Not exactly sure how long the waivers will last, but I do know that numerous corporations that are non union are part of that 733……….

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:18 pm

frog:

Got it. I thought you might have meant Sequatchie Valley.

It is supposedly the longest valley of its type in the world.

Mr_B

January 27th, 2011
1:18 pm

Sorry, I think that was actuallt Mark T’s post.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:19 pm

They are illegal…..ENFORCE THE LAW.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:19 pm

Mark T:

Liberals run on emotion.
Conservatives run on facts.

jt

January 27th, 2011
1:20 pm

SoCo–

A Naturalized US Citizen’s birth certificate would show that they were born in a foreign company. The quickest way to lose your job in immigration enforcement is to try to deport a USC.

The burden of proof of permission to be legally in the state would be upon the suspect.

No different than if an American is in a foreign country. While in Germany, did you not have to have proof of legally being in that country?

Case closed…next.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:20 pm

Scout….Anyone in the US is entitled to constitutional rights in court. The burden is on the govt to prove they are not US citizens.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

AmVet..If a person has a legit debate, I can be civil, but when you are too dumb not to know that the National Guard is part of our military then you have no buisness trying to make an argument

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

“The real snow job in D.C.: Obamacare waivers skyrocket to 729 + 4 states; 4 new SEIU waiver winners”

I want a waiver !

AngryRedMarsWoman

January 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

“Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders.”

That is a pretty broad statement about posse comitatus and not entirely true. Some weeks ago I posted on this blog the reality of the use of troops for deportation (as well as drug interdiction), among other things. I won’t bore you with all of it here again, but suffice it to say that the use of our military for immigration control is permitted. “Recognizing the inability of civilian law enforcement agencies to interdict the smuggling of drugs into the United States by air and sea, the Reagan Administration directed the Department of Defense to use naval and air assets to reach out beyond the borders of the United States to preempt drug smuggling. This use of the military in antidrug law enforcement was approved by Congress in 10 U.S.C., sections 371–381. This same legislation permitted the use of military forces in other traditionally civilian areas—immigration control and tariff enforcement.” You can find this on the Homeland Security website in an article written by JAG Major Craig T. Trebilcock.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

jt…wrong again. I know you hate the US and the Constitution but we have a simple principle…innocent until proven guilty. Burden of proof is on the government.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

Keep up the good fight…..agreed, but what does that have to do with enforcing the law?

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
1:22 pm

The new Zapata “Catapulta 200″. Travel in style with the newest in personal transportation technology. Leather seating area, Remote control launching , Laser sighting, ABS (also known as sliding, bouncing to a stop). Available, optional parachute slowing system for those longer flights. Just the thing for when “You just have to be there overnight”.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:23 pm

Keep up the good fight……I have a question….if you are innocent until proven guilty then how come in murder and other felony crimes they can keep you in prision until your court date? If that person is technically innocent, shouldnt he be walking the streets? Isnt that false imprisonment?

Kamchak

January 27th, 2011
1:23 pm

Told ya’ I was gonna get you Kam!!!

Damn!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for the topic at hand:

This excerpted piece from CT sums up the way I feel

…here’s some counterintuitive advice for the Democratic ranks: Don’t hedge. Lead. Do the right thing. Come out clearly and forcefully for putting illegal immigrants already in the country on a path to citizenship. This is no time to trim or triangulate. Show some spine. America is ready for reasoned leadership on this issue.

…So let the GOP be the party of fear and division. Democrats ought to stand for something else. The modern Democratic Party also made its choice in the 1960s, choosing hope over fear, tolerance over division and the beloved community over bigotry.

…This is no time for Democrats to turn their backs on that heritage. America is too generous and compassionate to expel millions of productive and otherwise law-abiding people. The nation has taken advantage of their labor for decades, and it would be inhumane (and outrageously expensive) to round them up and send them back.

But Americans also want to be assured that this is the last time a broad legalization option is offered to illegal immigrants. Democrats ought to make it clear that they’ll enforce the borders and crack down on employers who hire illegally, a cheaper and more effective strategy for addressing the problem than building fences. After a few CEOs have done the perp walk for illegal hiring, they’ll stop offering jobs to those without proper documents. And when word gets across the border that U.S. companies have stopped hiring, those laborers will stop coming. They come for jobs, after all, not jihad.

This is a win-win platform. Not only is it wise and honorable, calling on the highest ideals of a nation of immigrants, it can also produce victories at the ballot box. Last week, Virginia Democrats made gains in state and local elections even though the state has been embroiled in fiery debate over illegal immigration. As an analysis by the Washington Post concluded, voting trends didn’t benefit “those who campaigned the loudest for tough sanctions against illegal immigrants.”

Let Republicans take the low road. It doesn’t end in a place the rest of the country wants to go.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
1:23 pm

Oh ronald….bless your heart.

When you come back to me with an cogent defense of Pioneer, perhaps…..

md

January 27th, 2011
1:24 pm

“Now here’s the qusetion: at $12,500 a pop to deport them, HOW MUCH MORE in taxes are you will to pay to ante up the BILLIONS it would cost to find and deport the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants currently in this country?”

Bad question……………….where are the rest of the numbers to make give and educated answer?

How much does it cost for each one to stay vs sending them back is the question.

SOUTHERN ATL

January 27th, 2011
1:24 pm

According to the Times story, however, House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them.

This is just a way of covering up how the House Republicans will continue to guarantee the companies that hire the illegal workers unlimited profits and no accountability! It is better to start at the top (employers) and work down to the bottom (illegal workers).

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
1:24 pm

They BOTH suck, You are correct and my point being, that the Democrats favor large corporations also, not just Republicans, unfortunately most liberals just aren’t smart enough to realize that.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
1:25 pm

jt:Yank lawyers too. And any other illegal North Eastern progressives.

“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”. King Henry the VI Part II Why all the hate against lawyers? The first time you’re in a tax dispute with the government, a civil case is filed on your butt, or a paternity suit is lodged against you, you run for the lawyer yet you hate them at the same time! And the “Progressive Liberals” hate is just too much!!! You remind me of a documentary I saw on PBS the other night, it was a bio of the south – in one segment, after JFK is shot in Dallas, a bar owner in Alabama(?) had a sign on his door that read “Three Free Rounds In Honor Of The Death Of Our N#### Loving President!!”. The cameras went in and asked the owner why he hated JFK so much, his response was “Because he’s a lying Progressive N-loving Liberal!!”

BTW you know I’ve never heard of a “progressive” conservative; have you? I guess you conserves and progress don’t go together.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
1:25 pm

Scout, the area is also called the Tenn River Gorge.
Sequatchie Valley is a beautiful place.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:26 pm

Keep up the good fight!:

I don’t totally disagree with that. All I am saying is:

1) They should not have the same exact rights as U.S. Citizens or what is the purpose of being a “citizen”.

2) The immigration court system is a circus.

3) Most suspects are released with a court date and never come back.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:27 pm

GW… try google and perhaps you can learn the legal system. I dont have the inclination to walk through a red herring today. There are many articles and discussions out there on credible sites. Take personal responsibilty for your education.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
1:27 pm

Mark T

What Doggone/GA wrote was “They are state forces, but IF they are called into national service ”

Guard units are under control of the governor of a state. Once federalized (called into national service) it’s another matter. In other words, the Pres, as Commander in Chief, cannot tell his Army Chief of Staff “tell the Georgia Guard to do such and such.” There is a lawful procedure for bringing them under federal control.

Both of you, from what I tell of the intent of what you wrote, are correct in different contexts.

Old Flat Top

January 27th, 2011
1:27 pm

AmVet———–

What I would give to get them long-haired punks on the football feild. On second thought, I wouldn’t want them to stink up the locker room. I bet their mommas are ashamed.
They all looked like they had polio or something.

I know your kind boy. You walked around with your nose stuck in a book didn’t ye.?

That dang ole Jungle dancing Elvis not only ruit good music, it ruint you too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIBmGZxAhg

Jefferson

January 27th, 2011
1:28 pm

Can the chiwawaas stay ?

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:28 pm

barking frog:

Yes, I spent a lot of time going over “Suck Creek Mountain” to Whitwell in my youth !

Yes to the rest of you ……… it’s called “Suck Creek Mountain”.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3901753813135093229#

Matti

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

Who cares? Did anyone read the news lately? People suck. You think you don’t suck because you’re a “legal” citizen because you were born inside of a border you had nothing to do with drawing? You think as long as you can point to someone else and say, “They suck!” that you don’t? Riiiiight. Human beings suck. In that, we are all equal. Have a blessed day!!

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

Have any of you Republican’s seen the nude Dr. Laura pics?

Rodney, if I did, I surely wouldn’t admit it in public.

Matti–I’ve been thinking, if we can get a few tattoos on ya, you would make a great SuicideGirl!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDcTyyXQb8

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

No different than if an American is in a foreign country. While in Germany, did you not have to have proof of legally being in that country?

While in Germany, all I had was a stamped passport. No birth certificate or proof of German residency. Immigration law is not that simple. If it were, you could do the job that I do with no problem.

*A stamped passport admitting someone into this country is proof of legally being in this country.

At the same time a person can be legally admitted into this country and violate their status. That would then make them illegal. Some country’s citizens require a visa to enter the US, and other’s don’t. Some classes of visas allows people to work for US companies and others don’t. Some work can be done on certain visas that are not actually “work” visas.

You are correct in that the burden of proof is incumbent upon the “suspect”. There are so many different documents that can show proof, a birth certificate is sometimes irrelevant. There are many ways a person can violate their status while still in possession of “valid proof”. You have to know how to determine who’s violated their valid status as well as who has no status at all when it comes to illegals.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

Scout…until you prove in a court that they are not US citizen they are entitled to all rights with the presumption of being a US citizen.

Claim what you want about the immigration system. Your entitled to your opinion as ill informed as it often is.

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

Kam, Tucker can’t write an article without bashing the Republicans with lies, and shame on you for dirtying up Jay’s blog with that her trash.

HDB

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:13 pm

“A Naturalized US Citizen’s birth certificate would show that they were born in a foreign company. The quickest way to lose your job in immigration enforcement is to try to deport a USC.”

SoCo…lest they forget – American citizens born in foreign lands! There’s a Consular Report of Birth Abroad that can be issued as an official record of the child’s claim to U.S. citizenship…..otherwise, John McCain could be deported, right????

They BOTH suck

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

poison pen

Agreed Dems like BIG BIZZ and if you go look at voting records many Repubs love spending and social programs as well

People (myself included) like to line up with generalities about the other side, however in reality these politicians are all over the place in most cases. There are some on both sides, who for right or wrong, that stick to their guns put the nature of politics doesn’t allow it as much as each side wants us to believe…….

sad to say, it is a big show and that show has been going on way before the current Oval Office occupant came to town

jt

January 27th, 2011
1:30 pm

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

jt…wrong again. I know you hate the US and the Constitution but we have a simple principle…innocent until proven guilty. Burden of proof is on the government.

I do not doubt what you say but…………………………..not producing papers IS proof.
Also, ask an IRS agent if the burden of proof is on the government. Also check drug seizure laws.

md

January 27th, 2011
1:31 pm

“You are correct and my point being, that the Democrats favor large corporations also,”

That goes with being a side chooser…….to remain on a side, one overlooks the bad guys on their side…….justify by ignoring….

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:31 pm

jt…wrong again. I know you hate the US and the Constitution but we have a simple principle…innocent until proven guilty. Burden of proof is on the government.

Prior to the snap, false start… 5 yards, repeat the down.

When it comes to immigration, the proof of burden is on the alien.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
1:32 pm

Paul

January 27th, 2011
1:27 pm
Mark T

What Doggone/GA wrote was “They are state forces, but IF they are called into national service ”

Guard units are under control of the governor of a state. Once federalized (called into national service) it’s another matter. In other words, the Pres, as Commander in Chief, cannot tell his Army Chief of Staff “tell the Georgia Guard to do such and such.” There is a lawful procedure for bringing them under federal control.

Fair enough, but bottom line is our military can enforce our borders, which Doggone/Ga said outright no they cant

Jefferson

January 27th, 2011
1:32 pm

The employers of undocumented workers are criminals also, how about putting their arses in jail.

HDB

January 27th, 2011
1:32 pm

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:29 pm
“Scout…until you prove in a court that they are not US citizen they are entitled to all rights with the presumption of being a US citizen.”

Even if they AREN’T citizens, in certain cases, illegals are afforded the same rights as Americans…particularly in legal situations! Doing otherwise violates the basic tenets of the Constitution…..or have many forgotten???

poison pen

January 27th, 2011
1:33 pm

SOCO, I agree with you however when you were in Germany you at least had something. I don’t think 11,000,000 illegals came here with papers.

jm

January 27th, 2011
1:33 pm

Thanks Democrats. From NYTimes

“I have a crisis on my doorstep,” Mr. Gates said, making the case that stopgap spending bills in place since Sept. 30 could leave the Pentagon $23 billion short of money needed for operations, training and maintenance. “Frankly, that’s how you hollow out a military, even in wartime. This has to do with the security of the country.”

They BOTH suck

January 27th, 2011
1:33 pm

Scout

Is that your vid and bike? Nice either way. Thanks for sharing never been there but it looks awesome

Used to ride dirt bikes but at 41, it hurts too much these days. Never was much into street bikes

HDB

January 27th, 2011
1:34 pm

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
1:31 pm
jt…wrong again. I know you hate the US and the Constitution but we have a simple principle…innocent until proven guilty. Burden of proof is on the government.

Prior to the snap, false start… 5 yards, repeat the down.

Wouldn’t it be more like “illegal formation”? Same penalty…….

Kamchak

January 27th, 2011
1:35 pm

…and shame on you…

Ah yes, the ol’ passive/aggressive card.

I’m responsible for my feelings sport, not you.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:35 pm

Sorry jt if you do not understand the nuances of the legal system and the decisions that impact those matters. You care comparing apples and oranges without a real undestanding of either. Again, you are welcome to try to get someone to pass a bill into law if you believe it will work.

if I could find decent workers

January 27th, 2011
1:35 pm

that were reliable, off drugs, and hard working – I’d hire them. So I did. Too bad they were mexican illegals. the local georgia white trash is too busy with meth, girlfriends and child support. our domestic workforce stinks

md

January 27th, 2011
1:36 pm

“I know you hate the US and the Constitution but we have a simple principle…innocent until proven guilty.”

Try telling that to the cops when you are sitting in the back seat of a squad car.

Hate to say it, but in principle, it is as you say. In practice…..not so much.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
1:36 pm

“AmVet..If a person has a legit debate, I can be civil, but when you are too dumb not to know that the National Guard is part of our military then you have no buisness trying to make an argument.”

No worries, I make no judgments about your hypocrisy and justifications for it. I just noted it.

Scout you do crack me up, you use the logical fallacy known as an appeal to ridicule (an emotion) to say libs are emotional. Absolutely brilliant.

OFT, you got nuthin’ on me, man. I grew up with Burl Ives, Tennessee Ernie Ford and Bob Wills.

But things shore did change…(And, I loved that Jimmy Rodgers.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY63KTMrkTM

ronald

January 27th, 2011
1:36 pm

“Oh ronald….bless your heart. When you come back to me with an cogent defense of Pioneer, perhaps…..”

Once again… because you’re a little slow today…. YOU (Granny) are the one who introduced the idea that Pioneer Fund exists to promote white superiority. You made the baseless claim, I called you out on it, and you still have no factual support for YOUR claim.

I’m signing off now. Jay- You have fun with the leftwing nutjobs for the rest of the day.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:36 pm

HDB…you are correct. I was oversimplifying because of the nuances.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:37 pm

Keep up the good fight……I was being sarcastic earlier. Actually you are incorrect in nearly ever aspect of your arguement. It is the burden of the illegal to prove citizenship. You need to review the constitution and local laws again. You can’t just make the law be what you want it to be.

Matti

January 27th, 2011
1:38 pm

Bruno,

No ink for me, thanks! I’m sure yours are fab enough for the both of us.

John Birch

January 27th, 2011
1:38 pm

1. Pass a law rthat states the US government will confiscate your business if you employ illegals after say May 1, 2011.
2. Bring home all the troops from the Middle East.
3. Use the troops to round up and deport th eillegals and protect the border. free up 5-6 million jobs.
4. Confiscate the businsses and sell them at public auction. Use the money to pay down the deficit.
5. End unemployment benefits after 26 weeks forcing Americans to take the jobs spreading pine straw and picking grapes or starve.
Worthless war over, unemployment over, illegals gone, and deficit reduced. Brilliant!

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:39 pm

GW…you got a case citation to support that? Or you just talking out the south end as usual?

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
1:39 pm

Mark T: Murderers my pay taxes too…just sayin

Huh?

@@: So you would have chosen to use them as cannon fodder in defense of…….? My support was different. It would’ve been an opportunity for them to further their education, learn a trade, prove their allegiance to a country they love. Big difference between the driving motives, don’tcha think?

My point was that the proposal put forth by the dems (for illegals) should’ve been palatable for the repubs because it would’ve included a provision for manpower to fuel wars. Regardless of all the tecnological advances, some things, like the need for foot soldiers, will probably not change.

jt: The burden of proof of permission to be legally in the state would be upon the suspect. No different than if an American is in a foreign country. While in Germany, did you not have to have proof of legally being in that country?

First – who determines who is a suspect? Second – In Germany, as in MOST industralized countries, you don’t have to have your proof on your person at all times. Not since NAZI germany was that type odious crap necessary.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:40 pm

Keep up the Good Fight !:

Obviously, I am not the only one on here to disagree with you as to what rights they do get and what right they shouldn’t get.

However, there is no reason for you to be rude in your reply posts unless your personality prohibits you from being otherwise.

“Sweepers, sweepers, man you brooms. That is all.”

md

January 27th, 2011
1:40 pm

Burden of proof……….get pulled over for speeding, who gets to show their drivers license??

I have yet to see the PO’s license, and doubt asking him for it would be a wise move……….

White male

January 27th, 2011
1:41 pm

I take it that most of these writers here about this articles are disenfranchised, emasculated, unemployed and racist middle-aged white males. Y’all probably have been castrated by your own corporations and will probably never see a paycheck again. So you’re going after others who probably are toiling hard to feed their families. Your own frustrations will eventually see you bedridden in the hospitals paid for by Obamacare. Take care of your drug-addicted children, your obese wives and stop worring about others.

HDB

January 27th, 2011
1:41 pm

Keep up the good fight!
January 27th, 2011
1:36 pm

Got’cha! Just making sure!!

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:42 pm

Keep up the good fight…..Ok, I have a question for ya. If you are driving home today and you get pulled over and you have no license or insurance. What happens?

jt

January 27th, 2011
1:43 pm

DebbieDoRight

I don’t HATE anyone.
I’ve just never met a lawyer that I could stand to be around for long. And you are wrong, I NEVER would run to lawyer. I have always defended myself, and subsequently been squashed by lawyers. After all, a judge is just a lawyer that likes to wear women clothes.

Lawyers have their reputation for a reason.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
1:43 pm

Doggone?GA

Obama is Commander-In-Cheif of the Armed Forces of The Unites States. If he and Congress really wanted to, they could and would find a way to use our troops to remove illegal aliens from our Country.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
1:43 pm

Out for a while, going to work on my own catapult to send people back. This is for you Scout…….PULL!

md

January 27th, 2011
1:44 pm

“2. Bring home all the troops from the Middle East.”

Might want to hold up on that one……..getting a bit testy over there. And let’s pass some quick path to citizenship so we can all participate during the next draft………….

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
1:44 pm

“If he and Congress really wanted to, they could and would find a way to use our troops to remove illegal aliens from our Country.”

Yes, that’s probably true…but the real questions is: do we WANT to go down that path of making our military our national police? It was to try to answer that question that posse comitatus was passed in the first place.

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
1:45 pm

Matti—In a few months, I’m going to add this one to my collection:

http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/140/16/blues-for-allah-14016621.jpeg

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
1:46 pm

After all, a judge is just a lawyer that likes to wear women clothes.

Now that s funny!

jt, Joseph Campbell in his seminal work, The Power of Myth, talks at length about symbols, including robes…

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
1:46 pm

Keep up the good fight……I have a question….if you are innocent until proven guilty then how come in murder and other felony crimes they can keep you in prision until your court date? If that person is technically innocent, shouldnt he be walking the streets? Isnt that false imprisonment?

If the Judge grants bail, then the alleged perpetrator can bail out. If not then they are remanded until trial. And NO it’s not false imprisonment.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:46 pm

Doggone…..every president is sweared in takes an oath to protect the borders. Why has this been failed to be done over the past 20 years?

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
1:47 pm

Scout pouts. Sorry if identifying you as ill informed offends your birther and islamophobic nature. IF you think that was “rude” given your repeated nonsensical claims in other blogs, well, tell it to someone who cares.

Frankly I dont really care how many blog posters disagree about the law. There is a simple way to determine the law. Go to court and get a judge to decide. We have cases and a body of law for a reason.

md

January 27th, 2011
1:47 pm

Personally, I think lawyers have to pass an ethics test…………when they fail, they become certified.

HDB

January 27th, 2011
1:47 pm

John Birch
January 27th, 2011
1:38 pm

JB…you’ve got problems with your approach:

“1. Pass a law rthat states the US government will confiscate your business if you employ illegals after say May 1, 2011.”
“4. Confiscate the businsses and sell them at public auction. Use the money to pay down the deficit.”
Lest you forget due process….can’t confiscate property without due process or eminent domain!!

“2. Bring home all the troops from the Middle East.
3. Use the troops to round up and deport th eillegals and protect the border. free up 5-6 million jobs.” Military can NOT be used for internal policing actions; primarily, border protection is considered LAW ENFORCEMENT!!

Better rethink…….

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
1:47 pm

Joke for HD:

Q: How many country singers does it take to screw in a lightbulb??

A: Five. One to screw it in and four to sing about how much they miss the old one.

md

January 27th, 2011
1:49 pm

“And NO it’s not false imprisonment.”

In actuality/reality, it is…..in legal speak, it is not. Especially for those found to be innocent many years later…………..

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:50 pm

HDB…..actually you are incorrect as well… This amazes me.
Our military can be used to protect the borders at ANY time. The states can also request help from the federal government and the National Guard can be enlisted.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
1:51 pm

B, outstanding choice for a tat.

Fort numerous reasons, and because it is primarily a gentile thing, I’ve never been very interested in them.

But I do laugh that if I can ever get my “guns” big enough, I’ll get the word Nebraska inked around one bicep and Cornhuskers around the other!

And I did have a buddy who had this classic Red N on his shoulder…

http://www.kcowradio.com/artman2/uploads/1/Huskers___Logo__391_Pixels.png

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
1:51 pm

Twist one up, AmVet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42luHhrsNhg

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
1:51 pm

” Why has this been failed to be done over the past 20 years?”

I refer you to Jay’s piece for the answer to that (clue: House Republicans are the latest example)

Where's The Beef?

January 27th, 2011
1:52 pm

Jay – Just heard on CNN that New York City has had its largest January snowfall in history – with more coming this weekend. My first thought was that you’d post one of your infamous Climate Change stories today… You let me down!.

md

January 27th, 2011
1:53 pm

” Why has this been failed to be done over the past 20 years?”

Votes………….

AngryRedMarsWoman

January 27th, 2011
1:53 pm

“Don’t illegals pay tuition? The girl they arrested in Marietta last year was a “paying” student from S. America. Just saying…….”

As I recall, part of the issue was that she was paying in-state tuition, which is subsidized by the taxpayers of the State of Georgia. I think the first solution that was offered up was to charge illegals out of state tuition. Then it was to not allow them to attend certain schools with competitive enrollment even if they paid out of state tuition. And now I think it is to catapult them back to their country or origin….or Mexico and then I guess they can find their own way home. Did I miss anything?

jt

January 27th, 2011
1:53 pm

DDR-

jt: The burden of proof of permission to be legally in the state would be upon the suspect. No different than if an American is in a foreign country. While in Germany, did you not have to have proof of legally being in that country?

First – who determines who is a suspect? Second – In Germany, as in MOST industralized countries, you don’t have to have your proof on your person at all times. Not since NAZI germany was that type odious crap necessary.

BS!

I’ve lived in 5 different countries. In all five, I carried ID and when I got into trouble with the authorities(which I did) I had to explain and prove that I was in their country legally.

The same here in the United States of Surveilance.(it is just obvious that I am a Georgian so the authorities don’t ask for proof of citizenship).

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
1:54 pm

No ronald

I made a claim and showed my source.

All you did was stamp your feet and hold your breath.

I see you cannot defend the indefensible, so you skulk away – but I am quite sure you’ll come sneaking back looking for my response….

Bless your heart.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:54 pm

MD……EXACTLY….so the president is not doing his job that he vowed to do in hopes that they will gain immunity to the law and vote for the Democratic party. Thank you for answering that question.

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:55 pm

Doggone…..if I referred to a single word that Jay wrote about I would be considered insane.

md

January 27th, 2011
1:55 pm

“My first thought was that you’d post one of your infamous Climate Change stories today… ”

That argument about beliefs is a losing proposition………….they corned the market when they started contributing ALL conditions to mmgw……….have to love the strategy. Must be like putting chips on every number in vegas.

jt

January 27th, 2011
1:57 pm

md

January 27th, 2011
1:40 pm

Burden of proof……….get pulled over for speeding, who gets to show their drivers license??

I have yet to see the PO’s license, and doubt asking him for it would be a wise move……….

There is a growing movement out west to have officers submit to any drug/alcohol test that they ask a suspect to perform. It seems that there is a steroid problem among policemen.

IMHO, this seems fair.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
1:57 pm

“if I referred to a single word that Jay wrote about I would be considered insane”

Not my problem. The answer to your question is there, you’re just too lazy to read it.

Bosch

January 27th, 2011
1:58 pm

Where’s The Beef?

Well, apparently not in Taco Bell’s tacos. Ewww.

But as to the topic, why in the world would you go back to a system that produces less of the result you are aiming for?

Insanity.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
1:58 pm

md:

You are so right. LOL !

You get pulled over without a license and act decent you get a ticket and a court date.

You get pulled over without a license and be a jerk and you “take the ride”.

The “burden of proof” is on YOU the driver or you spend the night in jail (unless it’s close to shift change time) …………..

When you do get to court, guess who has to come up with a driver’s license ?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
1:58 pm

“why in the world would you go back to a system that produces less of the result you are aiming for?”

Might have something to do with what result is REALLY aimed for, maybe?

md

January 27th, 2011
1:58 pm

But to be fair George, both “sides” have played the vote game……………

Started with Reagan and hasn’t stopped since……..

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
2:00 pm

George W

January 27th, 2011
1:54 pm
MD……EXACTLY….so the president is not doing his job that he vowed to do in hopes that they will gain immunity to the law and vote for the Democratic party. Thank you for answering that question.

That is exactley what this whole immigration thing boils down to…They dont want to deport them in hopes they can make them legal to gain votes

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
2:02 pm

LOL, B.

For no known reason at all this one slipped into my mind a few days ago and I played it here. But damn man, it bears repeating…

I was drinking in a loud Atlanta honky tonk…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Q7j6s_OKg

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
2:03 pm

“so the president is not doing his job that he vowed to do ”

You can ALWAYS tell who has not actually read what Jay writes, but just comes here to spout off their predetermined talking points.

md

January 27th, 2011
2:03 pm

“There is a growing movement out west to have officers submit to any drug/alcohol test that they ask a suspect to perform. It seems that there is a steroid problem among policemen.”

Better have one’s own dash cam if they plan to play that game. It has been my experience to go along and get it over with……..fight later if one must, but during, one usually ends up on the short side.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
2:05 pm

As pointed out to the ill-informed many times, the right to drive is not a constitutional right or even a right, it is a privilege. State law requires that to exercise that privilege, you must have a driver’s license and you must show it.

Case closed.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
2:06 pm

“fight later if one must, but during, one usually ends up on the short side.”

Heard some advice a truck driver gave to a new driver: you say “yes sir”, “no sir” and pay the fine

md

January 27th, 2011
2:08 pm

“that the Obama administration has moved away from high-profile workplace raids in favor of an approach that targets criminals among the illegal immigrant population as well as those doing the hiring:”

Did Jay write that??

Guess he is pointing out that the President decided not to do the job he was hired to do………targeting just the criminals isn’t exactly what the law says. In fact, the law says they are all criminals.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:08 pm

Good advice or “take the ride”.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:08 pm

I’ve lived in 5 different countries. In all five, I carried ID and when I got into trouble with the authorities(which I did) I had to explain and prove that I was in their country legally. The same here in the United States of Surveilance.(it is just obvious that I am a Georgian so the authorities don’t ask for proof of citizenship).

I’m a military brat — and I’ve lived in Germany, Japan, Korea, Brussels, England, Greece AND Spain. I’ve also visited since I’ve been a grown woman, Israel, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Variuos Caribbean Countries, Venezula, Brazil, Belize, China, Canada and NORTH DAKOTA. If anyone is talking BS dude, it’s YOU. I had to show my paperwork to get INTO those countries, but I’ve never been stopped on the streets and asked to PRODUCE paperwork to prove my citizenship. (Except in N. Dakota) Try again.

AngryRedWoman – So far you’re keeping up just fine!!

md: Booo boooooo booooooo!!! Pot shots at lawyers are sooooooo last year……..

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:10 pm

md:

Don’t forget the President of the United States announced he was running for president in the home of an avowed unrepentant terrorist and present was his lady friend terrorist.

Now, if that had been a Republican ………………

jt

January 27th, 2011
2:10 pm

AmVet-

Yea , I’m familiar with Mr. Campbell. (that “Admiral” law stuff is pretty weird).
At least our judges don’t wear wigs although they probably would like to.

Our justice system really has degraded. Basically, whoever pays the most for a lawyer wins.

I can’t believe Keep up the good fight! has so much faith in it.

but…………………..what do you do? Try to stay out of trouble but it is getting increasingly hard to.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:11 pm

DebbieDoRight:

I’ve been to 26 countries on five continents and ……….. you are wrong.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:12 pm

Oh wait! Some of those countries you have to show (specific) paperwork to get OUT of too. You need a Visa to go to China and when you leave you have to have the Visa stamped along w/your passport.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:13 pm

Scout you’ve been stopped on the streets of these 26 countries and asked to produce paperwork? which one? and what happened to instigate them stopping you? where you caught in a sting or something?

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:14 pm

There are two major things you do when visiting a foreign country (if you are smart):

1) Have your passport/documentation with you at all times.

2) Know they way to the U.S. Embassy or Consulate even if you have to walk.

3) Know how to tell a taxi driver “Take me to the U.S. Embassy” in their language.

George W

January 27th, 2011
2:14 pm

Scout…..actually she is right. Please explain why you think she is wrong.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:14 pm

Excuse me: “three”

AngryRedMarsWoman

January 27th, 2011
2:15 pm

When traveling to Canada (turns out that it is considered a foreign country…who knew), you have to show your passport (or enhanced drivers license if you are a New Yawker) to get in and out. While there, nobody checked my ID – not even for a beer, how depressing is that? Back in the days when things were made of stone and wood and I was a young lass, we used to travel almost daily into the Great White North (to get drunk there you only needed to be 19) and all we had to do was say “Born in the USA”. Now you need a passport to see the “nicer” side of the Falls. carry on…my show-and-tell presentation is over.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:16 pm

DebbieDoRight:

You also have to have $100 cash (for the Customs Agent in your line) to “bribe” your way out of Nigeria.

George W

January 27th, 2011
2:16 pm

PEOPLE…..let me ask this question. If you were to drive into Mexico or you were a mexican attempting to drive into America…..what are the first two questions they ask you…..”Are you a citizen of our country and what business do you have here?”

If that can be asked at the border why is it not ok to ask those quesitons to a border jumper who comes here illegally?

md

January 27th, 2011
2:17 pm

Case re-opened:

“CASE #1: “The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived.” Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.”

“CASE #2: “The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.”

“CASE #3: “The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment.” Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.”

“CASE #4: “The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right.” Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941″

Have at it counselor……………………….

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
2:17 pm

Our justice system really has degraded. Basically, whoever pays the most for a lawyer wins.

Sad, and hard not to agree. And but one of many examples of economic injustice in a land that is founded on justice for all…

Happy 255th Amadeus.

Who apparently even had an influence on this American maestro…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xCZyIRCVM

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:18 pm

Don’t take my word for it. Go see the world and don’t keep your documentation on you. I don’t care.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:18 pm

AmVet ;

Can anyone say “O.J.” ?

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:20 pm

md:

All of those work on foot but if you are driving you had better have a license (unless you are driving on your private property, farm, etc.)

jt

January 27th, 2011
2:21 pm

Scout

Same with Jamaica.

Not quit 100 dollars but close.
It was embarressing in that I had to bum a few bucks to get out of that country.
I will never go back. Too many Jamaicans.

Also, as far as showing papers, every motel/hotel in Europe requires you to hand over your passport.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:22 pm

George W :

1) Liberals are emotional
2) It’s not politically correct
3) It may hurt their feelings

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
2:23 pm

Keep up, DebbieDo please don’t take offense at the lawyer
hostility. Policemen have to take it too. And like you say we
usually yell for a lawyer after the fact when a yell before the
fact would have eliminated the need. Often the same with the
police. Social roundtables with lawyers, under the influence,
are great ways to pass the time. On the job, not so much.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
2:23 pm

Doggone/GA

The real question is do we WANT our illegal population to be 12 million and growing larger year after year? Use whatever it takes to stop this now before it gets even worse.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:23 pm

jt:

Good post.

How about doing a protective advance in Russia and having to show your I.D. to the KGB who were trailing you.

@@

January 27th, 2011
2:23 pm

Debbie:

My point was that the proposal put forth by the dems (for illegals) should’ve been palatable for the repubs because it would’ve included a provision for manpower to fuel wars.

Dunno….still sounds fishy to me. Maybe your perception of Republicans is off the mark? I think most of our wars were started by Democratic presidents.

I was thinking more of the individual (illegals) and not the collective.

About those progressive conservatives…I was reading an article the other day about progressive conservatives within the GOP. Our side has divergent thought. But, it looks like
Axelrod has let the cat outta the bag when it comes to Obama.

Axelrod: Obama still a ‘progressive,’ hasn’t moved to center

WASHINGTON – White House senior adviser David Axelrod rebuffed the growing view among pundits that President Barack Obama is repositioning himself as a centrist this year, declaring that he is and always has been a “progressive” at heart.

“I mean, there’s no doubt he is progressive in his outlook and that’s what he believes in,” Axelrod, a close and longtime confidant of Obama, told a small group of liberal reporters and bloggers Wednesday, according to the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent.

Okey dokey! Not sure the independents will be happy to hear that.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:24 pm

“A country that can’t control its borders will eventually cease to be a sovereign state.”

Del

January 27th, 2011
2:24 pm

Anyone who has traveled overseas wisely carries their documentation on their person. You wouldn’t leave your passport back in your hotel room. And yes most countries require you to carry and be able to produce your documents should you be asked to do so by their authorities.

AngryRedMarsWoman

January 27th, 2011
2:25 pm

“You also have to have $100 cash (for the Customs Agent in your line) to “bribe” your way out of Nigeria.”

Good to know, I think. But you see, I don’t plan on traveling to places like Nigeria. Some may call me old-fashioned, or an isolationist or just plain scaredy-cat, but I always turn my head sideways like a puppy dog when I see a news story about an American being gunned down in Mexico, held by a drug cartel in El Salvador or imprisoned by the Iranian government when they got lost while hiking in Iraq. My initial thought is “really, you thought traveling THERE was a good idea?” Our own country is freaking huge – go explore it.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
2:25 pm

“Use whatever it takes to stop this now before it gets even worse.”

I suggest you tell that to the House Republicans, who appear to be hell bent on STOPPING the admin from using some of the tools at their disposal. But if you’d bothered to read what Jay wrote, you’d already know that.

md

January 27th, 2011
2:25 pm

“I had to show my paperwork to get INTO those countries, but I’ve never been stopped on the streets and asked to PRODUCE paperwork to prove my citizenship. (Except in N. Dakota) Try again.”

But, you darn well better have it to show if they do decide to stop you……….excuses seldom work without some form of ID.

And pot shots at attorneys…….I wish they were just pot shots, but my time on this planet has unfortunately proven otherwise in my experiences. That is a rigged game if there ever was one….they write the laws, argue the laws, litigate the laws, and advise all to get an attorney to play the game……………

Just another group of scam artists in suits………….

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:26 pm

You also have to have $100 cash (for the Customs Agent in your line) to “bribe” your way out of Nigeria.

I have a friend who married a Nigerian and now lives there. Her business is seeing that foreigners visiting Nigeria get in and out without hassle. HONESTLY!! She says she makes big moola too! It seems that a lot of people get “lost” (sometimes for months) coming in and out of Nigeria.

md

January 27th, 2011
2:29 pm

“All of those work on foot but if you are driving you had better have a license (unless you are driving on your private property, farm, etc.)”

Actually, the article I pulled those from points out that the Amish don’t have licenses, nor do farmers with their tractors……………one might have a chance to win in court with case law on the books, but again, why fight it. Easier to go along.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
2:33 pm

“Actually, the article I pulled those from points out that the Amish don’t have licenses, nor do farmers with their tractors”

I think as far as the Amish are concerned, it’s not just the Amish. It’s anyone driving a horse and “carriage” of some kind. You don’t need a license because it’s not a “motor vehicle”

For farmers, it probably varies some from state to state, but I think the basic principle is that they have to be going from one field to another – they can’t just be merrily driving down the road on a tractor in place of a car or truck.

George W

January 27th, 2011
2:33 pm

Md….the law states that you must carry proof of identification at all times while in public. This applies to the Amish as well.

jt

January 27th, 2011
2:35 pm

AmVet———

back at you.

1975.

I was blessed to experiance it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tCeAZ1nQjk

I’m out.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:35 pm

@@: Dunno….still sounds fishy to me. Maybe your perception of Republicans is off the mark? I think most of our wars were started by Democratic presidents.

Afghanistan and Iraq are the ones that we are still in 10 years after the fact. Those two are the ones I’m talking about. And @@ “progressive” is NOT a dirty word. It means one willing not to plant their heads in the sand and hope things will stay the same. Without “progressive” thought, we’d still be a half free and half slave country.

But, you darn well better have it to show if they do decide to stop you……….excuses seldom work without some form of ID.

Of course! That’s not what I was saying — my point, (getting back to the topic of Georgia trying to get the police the license to ask for citizenship paperwork when stopping speeders, etc.), is that when stopped and i have paperwork that says I am a Citizen of Spain, how can you prove that I am legal or illegal? I don’t have to carry paperwork (in any country), that says I am here LEGALLY on my person at all times.

jconservative

January 27th, 2011
2:35 pm

The problem with rounding up 10 or 12 million illegals is where do you put them while they are being processed. And same law that says they are illegals also spells out the $12,500 in costs to have them deported.

This is why the Arizona types laws calling on local police to look for illegals are so dumb. There is no place to lock them up. So ICE just turns them loose if they do not have criminal records.

Hitting the business owners who hire illegals is clearly the way to go.
But understand, the business owners may be the ones financing reelection campaigns of the local congressman. So Congress may not like the approach.

idaslaptor

January 27th, 2011
2:35 pm

good

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:37 pm

Md….the law states that you must carry proof of identification at all times while in public.

Which law states that? Is it a State/local law or a federal law?

@@

January 27th, 2011
2:38 pm

And just in case the liberals didn’t get it the first go ’round, Axelrod reiterated:

Having to cut deals with a doggedly adversarial GOP, observers speculated, would compel Obama to redefine himself and his ideological views in between the two major parties.

This was news to Axelrod, who said the Washington media class was false imputing President Bill Clinton’s centrist tilt to Obama, arguing that this president’s views had not and would not change.

“I guarantee you, as God is my witness, we have not had a repositioning discussion here,” Axelrod said. “We have not talked about, ‘let’s move three degrees to the right.’ That’s not the way we view this.”

The New York Times reported last month that Obama so disliked the viewpoint that he banned the use of the word “triangulation” in the White House.

Progressive distrust of Obama largely revolved around his ostensible lack of willingness to fight hard against conservatives on key initiatives, but many also criticized his stances on war, civil liberties and austerity measures during high unemployment.–RawStory

I do so love these little closed-door gabfests between the administration and their base.

Most revealing to Americans overall.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:38 pm

My day to pick up the rugrat. Adios Amigas!!

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:39 pm

@@ could you give a link to that article you just quoted ^^^.

thanks!

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
2:40 pm

SOCO, I agree with you however when you were in Germany you at least had something. I don’t think 11,000,000 illegals came here with papers.

I would argue that your statement is almost impossible to prove or disprove.

The biggest misconception or prejudice people impose on the entire illegal immigration debate is that millions upon millions have come across the Southern Border. What people fail to realize is that millions have come in by air, land and sea. A good majority of those millions came in legally, with valid, legal documentation. They just simply do not leave. There are illegal immigrants from six continents, and I’m willing to wager, almost all recognized countries.

George W

January 27th, 2011
2:41 pm

Debbie……state/local

@@

January 27th, 2011
2:42 pm

Without “progressive” thought, we’d still be a half free and half slave country.

So I guess Abe Lincoln was somewhere in the middle? He wanted to free the slaves and used a war to achieve that goal?

Or did he just wanna force us all to get along? Unionize so to speak.

I’m so confused.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:43 pm

AngryRedMarsWoman:

I was sent there by the U.S. Government courtesy of you the taxpayer.

I was there for five days and EVERYTHING I ate or drank I brought with me.
The left the water on in the hotel all day out of defference to the Vice President of the United States.

That meant someone else in the city had none.

Believe me, I didn’t stay a day longer than I had to.

@@

January 27th, 2011
2:43 pm

Debbie:

Could I give you a link? No, but you can work for it.

It’s up ^^^ there.

Progressive distrust of Obama largely revolved around his ostensible lack of willingness to fight hard against conservatives on key initiatives, but many also criticized his stances on war, civil liberties and austerity measures during high unemployment.–RawStory

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:45 pm

DebbieDoRight :

Yep.

In fact, at one time I supervised the Nigerian Fraud Task Force.

@@

January 27th, 2011
2:46 pm

Oh…and you’re welcome, Debbie.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
2:47 pm

BADA BING:

“Atheists Don’t Have Hymnals”

AngryRedMarsWoman

January 27th, 2011
2:52 pm

Hi, Scout. Bless you for doing it. Not something I would do. My hunny-bunny was recently over in Turkey on a taxpayer-funded trip — thanks to you all for flying my new rug to the states….I love it. He has also been in many not-so-nice “beaches” over the years – the “where is the freaking ocean in this place” kinda beaches. I don’t go anywhere except Canada because (a) I like certain creature comforts like clean water and plumbing, and (b) I am scared to death of places where they lop off people’s heads and that seems to be happening all over the place nowadays. Stay safe, Scout…don’t take any wooden nickels.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
2:54 pm

HDB

@ 1:29; People tend to forget about that. The wife has one of those.

@ 1:34; You have a point there. I thought he jumped the start though.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
2:54 pm

@@: So I guess Abe Lincoln was somewhere in the middle? He wanted to free the slaves and used a war to achieve that goal?

Stupidity isn’t cute @@ it’s just, well, stoooopid. AMHistory 101 — Lincoln said, and rightly so, that slavery was a divisive tool and that we as a nation could not move forward or be “whole” with a half and half country. FYI — google “How did the Civil War Start”.

Please don’t thank me, I do this out of love for my fellow man. BUT thanks for the RawStory hint, speaks a lot about what you read and where you get all of your ummmmm, information from.

Reader

January 27th, 2011
2:54 pm

As an employee of DHS / Immigration and Customs Enforcement I can say that the powers that be are not eager to deport anyone – it’s too politically dangerous. All that is done is done for the benefit of the public image. Flagrant disregard of the law is the order of the day.

md

January 27th, 2011
2:56 pm

“is that when stopped and i have paperwork that says I am a Citizen of Spain, how can you prove that I am legal or illegal? I don’t have to carry paperwork (in any country), that says I am here LEGALLY on my person at all times.”

Databases………………….this is the computer generation, checking one’s status shouldn’t be all that difficult.

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:00 pm

Debbie:

Please don’t thank me, I do this out of love for my fellow man. BUT thanks for the RawStory hint, speaks a lot about what you read and where you get all of your ummmmm, information from.

I didn’t thank you, YOU thanks me. I said “you’re welcome”.

Anyhoo…I rarely go to RawStory but many liberals here have linked to their site.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
3:01 pm

“He wanted to free the slaves and used a war to achieve that goal?”

Nope. He wanted to preserve the union and he freed the slave as a way to achieve the defeat of the seperatists, by depriving them of a source of labor. He actually wasn’t anti-slavery.

Misty Fyed

January 27th, 2011
3:02 pm

Scout…

Somehow I think we may know each other….through work.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
3:03 pm

It was determined that Taco Bell meat was only 35% beef. What is in Taco Bell meat? You can’t spell Taco Bell without C A T and L A B.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
3:04 pm

Doggone/GA

What makes you think I didn’t bother to read what Jay wrote? I’m simply saying what needs to be done. It goes without saying that the Republicans are owned by Big Business and will do everything they can to protect them from legal actions.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
3:04 pm

Misty Fyed:

Hummmmm …………….. how can we figure this out ?

“All posts on baker discontinue”

John Birch

January 27th, 2011
3:05 pm

So the illegals are here illegally, but we can’t legally use the military to round them up? Makes sense to me. Kind of like the Islamo-fascists bomb innocent women and children intentionally but we try to follow Geneva conventions. Change the freakin law and the constitution if thats what it takes and start fixing some of these problems before we become just another third world country.

Misty Fyed

January 27th, 2011
3:07 pm

Yep….but I left about 10 years ago for an IG. Still buddies with an AT initials GC.

Bosch

January 27th, 2011
3:10 pm

“Change the freakin law and the constitution if thats what it takes and start fixing some of these problems before we become just another third world country.”

Yeah, let’s do that — and how long do you think it will take the “Obama’s secret army” folks to loose control of their bowels?

Peadawg

January 27th, 2011
3:10 pm

It was determined that Taco Hell meat was only 35% beef. What is in Taco Hell meat? You can’t spell Taco Hell without C A T.

Fixed your typos, BADA.

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:11 pm

jay:

Debbie called me stoooooooopid. I’m offended!!!!!

schnirt

Scout

January 27th, 2011
3:11 pm

Doggone/GA:

“Nope. He wanted to preserve the union and he freed the slave as a way to achieve the defeat of the seperatists, by depriving them of a source of labor.”

I know you may not agree with me (but I think josef will back me up later) but you are only half right.
He did free some slaves via the Emancipation Proclamation but ONLY in the states under rebellion (those not could keep their slaves) with the proviso if a state under rebellion came back into the Union they could have their slaves back.

Now, what was the real reason he did that?

Remember, at that time the North was losing the war badly and it looked as though the South might succeed. Where we most of the “manly” Southern men? In the Army far away from home. If there were a slave uprising (which he hoped the Emancipation would cause) then as in Haiti earlier many women and children would have been killed, etc. That would have caused chaos in the Southern Army with men going home to protect their loved ones ………… and the South would lose.

Now, to the slaves credit why did a bloody uprising not happen. Thought slaves, at that time many of them (and many of their leaders) had embraced the Christian faith. In my opinion, that’s what held them back.

God bless them.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
3:12 pm

ID in other countries? I travel to S America every year, mainly Peru. When I am on long distance buses that stop at toll booths, sometimes the Police and/or military board the bus and look at tourist and citizen IDs. Roadblocks also check them, and I can’t get a hotel room without a passport/ID. And Peru is the most USA friendly country in S America in my opinion.

Kamchak

January 27th, 2011
3:12 pm

Bosch

Mexico vs Bosnia/Herzegovina Feb 9 at the Dome

Scout

January 27th, 2011
3:13 pm

Misty Fyed:

This is great! I need someone to cover my back on here !!

Call GC and get my personal email !!!

Scout

January 27th, 2011
3:14 pm

Got to run for an hour or so.

Be nice to each other.

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:15 pm

Debbie:

He actually wasn’t anti-slavery

That, I know. I’ve learned a lot from josef and Hillbilly Deluxe…it was a war of northern aggression…nothing more. Those northerners got to maintain their slaves. I’ve even read that we had resources the north coveted. Could slaves have been among them?

Dunno.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
3:17 pm

Scout

Other than the reason for no rebellion, I’d back you 100% on that. I can’t back that one thing, because I simply have no answer as far as why there was no rebellion. There were smaller insurrections from time to time, but not one major catastrophic one.

BADA

Lay off the Pisco Sours and they might leave you alone.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
3:17 pm

Misty Fyed :

Tell GC code word “Peaches and Scout” ………… he’ll know.

Have some Pepto-Bismol Jay

January 27th, 2011
3:18 pm

What Reagan Taught Obama

In many ways, the Gipper gave Obama his start. Obama’s first public political act occurred on Feb. 18, 1981, just 29 days after Reagan took the oath of office in Washington. The 19-year-old sophomore, who had just abandoned the nickname Barry for his birth name Barack, climbed onto an outdoor stage at Occidental College to urge his school to divest from companies doing business in apartheid South Africa. “There’s a struggle going on,” he called out. “I say, there’s a struggle going on.” As he spoke, Reagan was already laying the groundwork to shift U.S. policy on South Africa in the opposite direction, giving cover to the all-white government under a policy called constructive engagement.

ha ha ha ha ah

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
3:26 pm

What was Jay saying the other day about the jobless rate going down???

“Metro Atlanta unemployment stays at 10.2 percent in December”

http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2011/01/27/metro-atlanta-unemployment-stays-at-10-2-percent-in-december/

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
3:28 pm

Tis true.

Ronnie armed, aided and abetted pretty much every murderous thug and right wing dictator from one end of the planet to the other.

Racist or otherwise.

And played stupid to perfection while that disgraced US Marine colonel did his criminal activities in the White House basement!

True, Tricky dick started the trend, and Ronnie just dramatically upped the ante, but is it any wonder that the modern day GOP has so little regard for the rule of law and the United States Constitution?

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:33 pm

So Obama’ss a cheap imitation of Reagan?

In terms of government largesse, he’s anything but cheap.

Nice try, President Obama. You sir, are no Reagan.

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:34 pm

Oops! Take out that second “s”. Nothing freudian goin’ on here.

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:35 pm

Again, where did jay’s liberals go? I’m beginning to take this personally.

schnirt

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
3:36 pm

@@

I thought you had suddenly developed a lisp….

ISH

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
3:36 pm

Jay, so obama is putting a laser focus on the immigration problem. Shouldn’t that be a frickin’ laser focus on the immigration problem?

josef nix

January 27th, 2011
3:38 pm

Two points: first, SoCo is right on the fact that the illegal alien problem is by no means confined to those crossing the southern frontier. There are plenty who came here quite legally and decided to stay and they come from just about any place with an airport. Secondly, those hooplahing “round ‘em up, herd ‘em out” are just plain foolish. The logistics alone render the moral, ethical, etc. a moot point. Even our own concentration camp contingency plans are designed to handle only 2,000,000…

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
3:40 pm

josef

No need to explain things. I think most of them would rather rely on the old trusty soundbite problems and quick fix solutions.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
3:43 pm

This just in…Charlie Sheen rushed to the hospital after long night of partying. Could this be tied in with the pot flinging catapult on the border?

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
3:44 pm

What was Jay saying the other day about the jobless rate going down???

“Metro Atlanta unemployment stays at 10.2 percent in December”

Please refresh our memories, what did he say? If you’re trying to compare Atlanta Metro’s rates with the average of the entire country…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-OkHz2Lmy0&NR=1

Average is just that, an average. The average is the sum of all things divided by the number of things. It’s possible for the average unemployment for the country to go down at the same time as it goes up in Georgia. All that has to happen is that the drop from all other states exceed the rise in GA.

Del

January 27th, 2011
3:50 pm

The CBO Director warns that if spending isn’t cut soon debt could soon reach 100% of our total economic activity.

marvin the martian

January 27th, 2011
3:51 pm

I welcome the undocumented, many whom hate slept in my hacienda until they get on their collective feet. Mi Country, Su Country.

@@

January 27th, 2011
3:54 pm

A lisp, SoCo?

Would that be a dentalised lisp, interdental lisp, a palatal lisp, or a lateral lisp?

It’s important to differentiate.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
3:57 pm

@@

For blog purposes, I think it would be a digital lisp… hee hee hee

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
3:57 pm

md..sorry have been gone but looks like someone pointed out your error. The right to travel is not a right to drive.

As for those claims of whoever pays the most for an attorney wins, I’d like to point out the many great cases won by the ACLU at no charge to their clients.

As for those who dont like the legal system (including law enforcement), yep, its got a lot of problems like any institution or business. No matter which side you are on, you are probably not happy. But get wrongfully accused and you’ll be wonder why you dont have many more protections. Then again, there are all sorts of people looking to improve it so make your suggestions. There are also a lot of systems that are a lot worse. When you get wrongfully accused in another country, more likely you’ll be begging to come to the US court system

And for an industry that not many like, there are certainly a lot of lawyer wannabes or those who think they know the law.

Del

January 27th, 2011
3:58 pm

With our economy in the toilet and about to be flushed I don’t see how we can continue to host illegal immigrants. The greater majority of illegals come across our Southern Border. A comparative minority enter legally and don’t return to their home countries. People who apply legally wait years to obtain permanent residency, how can we realistically and ethically award illegals amnesty.

deegee

January 27th, 2011
4:02 pm

HAHAHAHAHA! I love the one about locking up the employers that hire illegal immigrants. Obama just spent the last two months crying uncle to wall street and big business. HAHAHAHA!

@@

January 27th, 2011
4:02 pm

Duh! jay posted a new thread.

John Birch

January 27th, 2011
4:32 pm

jo nix – “You can’t round ‘em up, boo hoo.” BS We sent 10 million men across two oceans with thousands of tons of equipment and that was in the stone ages of 1943! Cowradly libs like you don’t have the guts or political will to do what should be done. That I belive.

Mac

January 27th, 2011
4:47 pm

If all these Europenas who pretend to be “real Americans” are repatraited back to their mother countries… the problem would be solved. So called “Americans” are the children of the scourge of Europe who didnt have the intestinal fortitude to fight infamy that they are a product of. Many were let out of the prisons on the British Isles to popolate the new and currently occupied continent. Lets not forget that these so called Illegals are real Americans and have been Americans long before America existed… America is a continent not a nation. Their roots go back over 40,000 years. They had civilizations while Europeans were crawling around in tribes. It’s down right tragic that a European wave of immigrants can claim a right to lands their ancerstor squatted and purchased under the threat of war after invading.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
5:29 pm

BADA BING:

I met Charlie’s dad once at the premier of “Gettysburg”. He was actually very pleasant to talk to.

md

January 27th, 2011
5:29 pm

Well, let’s not forget that there are many more trying to get in the “right” way, so screw them and let the line jumpers in first.

I guess that makes sense to some…………………….

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
8:36 pm

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
3:44 pm
What was Jay saying the other day about the jobless rate going down???

“Metro Atlanta unemployment stays at 10.2 percent in December”

Please refresh our memories, what did he say? If you’re trying to compare Atlanta Metro’s rates with the average of the entire country

Unemployment numbers offer glimmer of hope into 2011
December 31st, 2010 by Jay

A little end-of-the year cheer, from the AP:

WASHINGTON – The number of Americans applying for unemployment benefits fell last week to its lowest level in nearly 21/2 years, a sign that the job market is slowly improving.

Does that refresh your memory?

Buck Turgidson

January 27th, 2011
10:20 pm

Apprehension and deportation are only a piece of the illegal alien problem. Many of them keep coming back six, seven, eight times. It’s just a game to them. Until we figure out a way to deal with that revolving door we’ll never make real progress on keeping them out.

Brittanicus

January 29th, 2011
7:29 pm

According to the (GAO) General Accounting Office. For every (1) dollar spent by illegal immigrants, they take back (3) dollars in public entitlements and send $$$Billions of dollars out of the country. Of course taking a long shot be taking the 14th Amendment before the Supreme Court is a risk, but one things for sure that they may not overrule the law governing illegal immigration. The Mother or Father are here illegally and so they have no rights at all and must be deported with or without the child. Sorry I have more compassion for our own hurting citizens, not the 300, 000 annually that come here and then pilfer the welfare state. When every day US citizens and legal non-citizens who are rightfully here have been uprooted from their jobs, only to find a illegal alien has stepped into that spot lowering wages. In these type of circumstances it is the displaced workers duty to report this suspicious activity to ICE.

Once the –REAL–DOUBLE –FENCE is constructed with razor concertina wire and every inch of the border region is sealed by stationed troops , without restrictions on any access, then a uniform Guest Worker program can be introduced, without the rampant fraud that exists right now after interior and border enforcement. REMEMBER MOST LIBERTARIAN PRESS WILL HAVE NO COMMENT BOX, FOR YOU TO USE YOUR HEALTHY INTELLECT AGAINST THEIR RAMBLING AGENDA’S BY SPEAKING OUT WITH FREE SPEECH!. THEY ALWAYS TURN TO FOUL LANGUAGE, OR RACIST EPITHETS TO GRIND YOU DOWN, SO YOU WILL NOT STAND UP FOR THIS STUMBLING FINANCIALLY ISSUE.Join a local TEA Party for less government intrusion, fair taxation and to erase the illegal alien invasion that will escalate your tax burden. Learn more about this simmering financial problem and its consequences at NumbersUSA or Judicial Watch.

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