House GOP pushing to refocus illegal immigration enforcement

While deportations of illegal immigrants are at record highs, the Los Angeles Times reports that the Obama administration has moved away from high-profile workplace raids in favor of an approach that targets criminals among the illegal immigrant population as well as those doing the hiring:

Broad sweeps fill limited jail and court docket space the Obama administration wants to reserve for more hardened criminals, officials said. Each deportation costs the federal government about $12,500, Immigration and Customs Enforcement Deputy Director Kumar Kibble told lawmakers Wednesday.

Instead, targeting employers is part of an effort by the administration to thwart illegal immigration by reducing the demand for illegal jobs, which draws hundreds of thousands across the border each year to look for work.

“There is a laser-like focus on holding employers accountable. In the final analysis, they are the ones supplying the jobs. It is the greatest use of the resources,” Kibble said.

Under Obama, cases against employers are up sharply: Immigration and Customs Enforcement quadrupled the number of employer audits after Obama took office, increasing the number of inspections and arrests against those who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Businesses were fined $6.9 million in fiscal 2010, up from $675,000 in 2008.

That’s pretty amazing — total fines against employers, nationwide, of just $675,000 in 2008? Even the $6.9 million figure seems low, but at least it represents a tenfold increase over the number just two years earlier.

According to the Times story, however, House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them.

– Jay Bookman

377 comments Add your comment

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:16 am

This thread topic should probably bring them back.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
11:17 am

Anyone who is in this country illegally is breaking the law and is a criminal. Why so many have a difficult time understanding this is beyond me. No other country on Earth would allow 12 million plus illegals into their country. We are NOT a super-rich country who can afford to be Santa Claus to the world. If officials do not enforce our laws then these laws are worthless. I don’t want to live in a country where obeying the law is optional. Do you?

arnold

January 27th, 2011
11:18 am

If you stop the hiring, the problem becomes minor.

@@

January 27th, 2011
11:20 am

Going against the grain, I was in favor of Bush’s immigration reform policies. Does that make he and I liberals or compassionate conservatives? Perhaps pragmatists?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:21 am

Punish GREED not greed.

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:22 am

Hopefully there will be a Congressional investigation into the “OTM’s” illegally crossing our Southern border. DHS and the Democrats seem to want to play that issue down

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:25 am

If the great sucking sound took all the jobs to
Mexico why are they still coming here?

Dr. Feel

January 27th, 2011
11:25 am

“House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them.”

This one paragraph tells the whole story. Hypocrisy–plain and simple.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
11:26 am

“Why so many have a difficult time understanding this is beyond me”

NO ONE has trouble understanding it. Got that? Now here’s the qusetion: at $12,500 a pop to deport them, HOW MUCH MORE in taxes are you will to pay to ante up the BILLIONS it would cost to find and deport the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants currently in this country?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:27 am

Is it because of a lack of funds that we can’t do both?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
11:27 am

“Perhaps pragmatists?”

Yes, pragmatist. I was in favor of them also.

Peadawg

January 27th, 2011
11:27 am

“According to the Times story, however, House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them”

We need to both. If take away the employment opportunities, take away education opportunities, etc….then maybe they’ll stop coming here illegally.

Cherokee

January 27th, 2011
11:28 am

If ICE wants to score a really big roundup all they need to do is cordon off Gwinnett Place Mall on a Saturday afternoon and then just back the buses up to the door.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
11:28 am

“We need to both”

Agreed. Now how do we get that message to those Republican clowns in the House?

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:29 am

Do illegals create ill eagles ? (US and Mexico)

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:30 am

Jay, C.T.’s been eating your lunch. Well over 200. I do see, however, that some of the left- wingers are coming back.

Peadawg

January 27th, 2011
11:30 am

OR hell if we do continue taking away all their opportunities here in the US, we won’t have to pay to deport them…they’ll eventually leave on there own.

getalife

January 27th, 2011
11:30 am

They need cheap labor to compete with China cons.

Amnesty.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:35 am

Is it because of a lack of funds that we can’t do both?

It becomes a matter of manpower. Do you, for one single minute, think the average person is going to want to hear that DHS is hiring tens of thousands of agents in this age of cutting spending and trimming the budget?

Ray MacNair

January 27th, 2011
11:35 am

Jay Bookman needs to realize that detentions and deportations have risen under the Obama administration because of the use of the I-9 Audits. These audits are used when corporations ask ICE to intervene when labor organizing activities are going on. The audits are also used to support wage theft, while employers fail to pay for work already accomplished.

Also, a small portion of the detentions and deportations are focused on actual criminal behaviors, contradicting Obama’s stated policy.

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:36 am

Peadawg@11:27, need to take away their Medicaid pre and post natal care access too. That’s also a huge magnet.

Pat Buchanan

January 27th, 2011
11:36 am

cordon off Gwinnett Place Mall on a Saturday afternoon and then just back the buses up to the door.

That method really doesn’t work very well.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
11:39 am

Why so many have a difficult time understanding this is beyond me”

NO ONE has trouble understanding it. Got that? Now here’s the qusetion: at $12,500 a pop to deport them, HOW MUCH MORE in taxes are you will to pay to ante up the BILLIONS it would cost to find and deport the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants currently in this country?

As much as it took!…if we gonna spend our a$$ silly into debt, it might as well be worth while

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:40 am

I think we have the manpower for significantly better enforcement. We’re just not using it to its fullest potential.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
11:42 am

So the GOP wants to go back to the more costly and less effective method?

Taking the country back-wards.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:43 am

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:35 am
—————————————————–
Convicted deportations are already up under Obama. We are
currently spending money to identify and deport illegal aliens.
Are we not pursuing the companies due to a lack of funds?
Too often i sacrifice clarity for brevity. Brevity is more important
in lingerie.

StJ

January 27th, 2011
11:43 am

If it costs $12,500 to deport an illegal, the business that hired them should be fined at least that much. $20,000 would be better. More than 5 such violations should result in loss of business license.

That should raise the stakes high enough for people to not risk hiring illegals in the first place.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

StJ

January 27th, 2011
11:43 am
————————————————
Judge Sirica used that strategy against a sitting President and
it worked.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

Even the $6.9 million figure seems low, but at least it represents a tenfold increase over the number just two years earlier.

Agreed, it should be much higher. And if the corporate water carriers and soft-on-crime neo-cons would get out of the way it would be.

Think of the tens of thousands of “employers” in Georgia alone, who knowingly used illegals and profited enormously by doing so. These men royally screwed their fellow Georgians and Americans by driving down labor rates and of course avoiding by NOT paying what they owe.

But fortunately, we got lots and lots of “conservatives”, around the nation and on this very blog, who have adamantly and frequently demanded that these men be held accountable to the rule of law and that justice be served with fines and/or imprisonment. Hell, maybe to send a strong message to these unindicted criminals, we should deport a bunch of them too.

Cons – they vilify the weak and glorify the wicked…

Paulo977

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

THINK WHAT YOU LIKE ….THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY ILLEGALS SO, IT’S THE WAY OF THINGS TO KEEP UNFOLDING AND UNFOLDING ………….

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

DHS confirms cheaper to deport every illegal alien than allowing them to stay
Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs, Nelson Peacock, responding to request from several U.S. Senators, including Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), wrote: “Our conservative estimate suggests that ICE would require a budget of more than $135 billion to apprehend, detain and remove the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population.”

In July 2010, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) released the results of a study which examined the costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local levels. The study found that U.S. state and local governments shell out $84.2 billion annually in various services (law enforcement, schools, social services, etc.), with California taxpayers alone, spending $21 billion on illegal aliens every year.

The same study found that $29 billion is spent every year in federal funds on illegal aliens.

So, while it would cost a one-time fee of about $135 billion to deport every single illegal alien in the country, it is actually a bargain considering the fact that it already costs us $113 billion annually to keep them here.

In other words, the mass deportation would pay for itself in a little over a year.

Nice try Libs!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 27th, 2011
11:47 am

Well, it figures this illegal Kenyan would pick on a few godly people that just want to make a few quick bucks to get away from needing to pay a huge $7.50 an hour to people that are legal. Right now there’s thousands of yard mowing cos. and chicken plant bosses just begging for cheap workers so as to make some money and all they get for their trouble is arrested.

We need to round up the illegal people and leave the people that hire them alone. We could do it cheap. Like I said many times before there must be millions of us rednecks that buy big pickups and they’d be willing to haul the illegals and dump them over the border for just some gas money. But no, they won’t even consider that. I guess we’ll need to wait till 2012 so we can elect a good Republican President and put the cops on the people that really break the law. We need to remember that hiring the illegals ain’t a crime—unless the people doing the hiring get caught.

Have a good lunch everybody.

carlosgvv

January 27th, 2011
11:48 am

Doggone/GA

Maybe we should bring back all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help deport them. I think taking care of our own problems before worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan makes sense. Got that?

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:49 am

With maybe a total of 50,000 Agents/Officers (that’s including ICE and CBP), is that really enough to track, apprehend, and deport the 12 million? Only ICE has authority beyond the border, so you would have to subtract around 25,000 CBP officers that have no authority beyond the border.

Once ICE Agents apprehend them, they have to go before an immigration judge. With at least 100 federal judge seats vacant at this time, do we have the manpower in the courts to handle that many deportation proceedings?

There isn’t the manpower available to do the impossible, as what most people want done with immigration. It has to be a joint effort from the business community and law enforcement. If the business community continues to hire illegals, the problem will never go away.

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
11:50 am

“House GOP pushing to refocus illegal immigration enforcement”

And rightfully so. They are breaking our laws, Jay.

When is the last time you reviewed the immigration policies of Mexico?

Yeah, no kidding, huh!

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
11:51 am

dawgie did not reat the op ed, just the title. bad dawgie

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2011
11:52 am

With maybe a total of 50,000 Agents/Officers (that’s including ICE and CBP), is that really enough to track, apprehend, and deport the 12 million?

duh. Use the 16,000 extra IRS agents being hired and trained even as we speak to enforce Osamacare.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:53 am

frog

You can’t pursue the un-pursuable. When Congress shields the very people who could be most productive in removing the “bait” that attracts some of the illegals, you won’t be able to stem the flow.

In the bigger picture of things, there’s a lot more to the total outlook of who’s considered illegal other than the Hispanic face that everybody automatically applies.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
11:53 am

can you hear that…..crickets

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am

And yes, one of the very few things that George of the Bungle got right in his entire administration was supporting the McCain/Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.

But the rabid, always enraged cons in the GOP base went berserk and derailed what could have been a pragmatic and workable move towards resolving a LONGSTANDING problem.

More non-progress from the Party of No…

USMC dawg

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am

Enter your comments here

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am

barking frog@11:25 am

If the great sucking sound took all the jobs to
Mexico why are they still coming here?
——————-

because it just kept sucking all the way to China

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
11:57 am

duh. Use the 16,000 extra IRS agents being hired and trained even as we speak to enforce Osamacare.

Oh, I forgot about them… We’ll have to adjust their training a little for the additional assignment.

catlady

January 27th, 2011
11:57 am

Well, of course the GOP doesn’t want to go after the employers. They are, after all, overwhelmingly white. I would also posit that they disproportionately vote GOP, but that is another story.

Do we go after the guy who buys the heroin or the guy who supplies it? Because the business owners who hire illegal immigrants are those who are profiting–the suppliers.

Make the fines heavy enough, and the jail terms long enough, and the employers willing to “save” money by hiring illegal immigrants would decide to save money by not being the facilitators.

And if it costs $12,000 to deport, let’s charge the home country that money taken out of the aid we send them. That might give them more reasons to seal their borders. Until we cut out all our dependence on Mexican gas/oil reserves, they have us over a barrel, so to speak. I think that is one reason why we have been so lax.

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
11:58 am

@@

January 27th, 2011
11:58 am

I’m of the opinion that we’ve got to gather the wheat before disposing of the chaffe. If ‘ya want a temporary green card, bring an illegal friend so we can check him/her out. Take a civics class while working. A class in English too. Whether they graduate to permanent status will depend on their success in learning both. If they fail, they’re sent back to their homelands and can try again in a coupl’a years. Not sure they’d wait though.

Watched Griff Jenkins follow detainees/deportees thru the process last night on video. They all said they’d be back within a couple of days. One said he’d be back the same night. Many talked about having wives and kids they were leaving behind. “Who will provide for my wife and kids?” one asked.

The American taxpayer no doubt.

It’s a mess.

Del

January 27th, 2011
11:59 am

This straw man argument about the cost of deportation is over the top. I would bet that the cost associated with illegal alien fraud in Social Security and Medicare along with the free and legal Medicaid for illegals would be staggering. The three entitlements that need serious attention to get our deficit under control are being financially burdened by illegal’s gaming our system.

Matti

January 27th, 2011
11:59 am

But the rabid, always enraged cons in the GOP base went berserk and derailed what could have been a pragmatic and workable move towards resolving a LONGSTANDING problem.

But.. but… their widespread, longstanding CONTEMPT for anything and everybody different makes the world such a beautiful place!! Right? Makes me wanna break out the old Louis Armstrong and sing about what a beautiful EFFING world we live in! THANKS, always-enraged cons! You’re the best!

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:00 pm

50,000 agents: 10 illegals per agent = 500,000: 20 per agent =1,000,000:
240 per agent =12 million: 1 year span = 20 per month per agent. one per day
with weekends off.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:00 pm

C’mon…no responses to my 11:47…that was too easy

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
12:00 pm

In other words, the mass deportation would pay for itself in a little over a year.

Nice try Libs!

If the GOP is trying to eliminate public financing of elections to save $500 million over 10 years, do you honestly believe they are going to spend that kind of money for a single program in one fiscal year???

You should try that one onstage at Second City in Chicago.

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:01 pm

When is the last time you reviewed the immigration policies of Mexico?

That reminds me…Griff was keen to point out when bidding the illegals “Adios” that he was standing on the line between the Mexican and U.S. border. Said that if he crossed, he’d be arrested by the Mexican government.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

January 27th, 2011
11:54 am
——————————————–
Are the mexicans importing from china and restamping
‘Made in Mexico’?

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

C’mon…no responses to my 11:47…that was too easy

Easy isn’t the word I would use to describe your 11:47…

Just sayin

Del

January 27th, 2011
12:06 pm

Mark T, standby the lib’s are probably scurrying all over the far-left sites trying to find a rigged rebuttal. Then they’ll come back and try to tell you that they’ve won the debate.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:06 pm

If the GOP is trying to eliminate public financing of elections to save $500 million over 10 years, do you honestly believe they are going to spend that kind of money for a single program in one fiscal year???

That I cant answer, but Libs/Dems can go ahead and drop the argument that we cant afford it..We cant afford not to!

jt

January 27th, 2011
12:07 pm

The sovereign state of Georgia could deport an illegal immigrant for FAR less than 12,000 dollars.

Let us quit paying or deport all Federal government workers and then use this money for our own state border control.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 27th, 2011
12:08 pm

Mark T.

Nice try libs????

There are many progressives here who are in favor of deportation of illegals so it’s not a regressive vs progressive argument

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:08 pm

Del, yeah Ive seen it time and time again, put a fact in front of a Liberal and the name calling and sarcasm starts

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:10 pm

There are many progressives here who are in favor of deportation of illegals so it’s not a regressive vs progressive argument

I wouldnt go as far as “MANY”

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:10 pm

“Maybe we should bring back all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help deport them. I think taking care of our own problems before worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan makes sense. Got that?”

Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders.

godless heathen

January 27th, 2011
12:11 pm

$12,500 per deportation? Someone should call William Shatner – Priceline could get them a better price on a Greyhound ticket.

Or maybe Dog the Bounty Hunter is the man for the job. Offer him $1000 per.

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders
———————————————————-
The Governors can use the national guard.

Matti

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

put a fact in front of a Liberal and the name calling and sarcasm starts

Or, put an over-simplified “plan” in front of them that is completely devoid of logistical realities and contingencies, and watch them swooooooon over your brilliance at being able to single-handedly solve a decades-in-the-making, exponentially complex, multi-billion dollar problem in just a few short paragraphs on a blog. WOW! Mark T for President!!! Woooooo! Thanks for making my day, man. Now that you’re here, I have HOPE again!

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm

“Each deportation costs the federal government about $12,500,”

Does that # seem too expensive, considering the cost of the drug problem that they’ve created in Gwinnett County?

Keep up the good fight!

January 27th, 2011
12:15 pm

So one plan is to spend a fortune and in one year we kick every single “illegal” out and the problem is solved and none will come back, no employers will ever hire again, the swell in the court system to process all the arrests, the empty homes and rental units, the “camps” needed to house at government expense those waiting for the backlog to process? That $12,500 purported cost skyrockets in real terms. Simple minded solution doomed to fail. But do take it to your local Republican/Tea Party congreassional representative and put it a bill.

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:15 pm

Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders

Wrong…it is unconstitutional to use our military to enforce martial law…not to protect our borders

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:17 pm

Matti

January 27th, 2011
12:14 pm
And the sarcasm begins

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:18 pm

If there’s three doors, then you have a 33% chance of getting it right from the jump. After you eliminate one door, then you’re left with two. Choosing between the two would give you a 50% chance of getting it right.

Southern Comfort, Hillbilly Deluxe, barking frog, and Mountain Man–Back to Math class for all of you!!! ;-)

Jay–if you poke your head in, I’m curious to know if you grasp the concept behind the “Monty Hall” problem I posed last night:

If you were on “Let’s Make A Deal”, and selected Door #1, then Monty Hall told you that the Grand prize was NOT behind Door #3 and gave you the chance to switch your choice to Door #2, should you switch?? What percentage of the time will the prize then be behind Door #2:

(A) 33%

(B) 50%

(C) 67%

If you can’t answer correctly, Jay, then you must repeat after me: “I am NOT smarter than the average Georgia student.”

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:18 pm

Jay- You’re also missing a big point of the legislation introduced in the Ga house. The bill will also prevent illegal immigrants from entering state colleges in Ga. I was very glad to see this. States colleges have, for too long, turned a blind eye to illegals taking up space in our university system.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:19 pm

With limited resources you expend the resources you have where you get the largest payback.

Dang, you’d think these “Republicans are better ’cause they understand how to run a business” types would figure that out –

Carlosgvv 11:17

“I don’t want to live in a country where obeying the law is optional. Do you?”

People should remember that next time they’re driving.

Cities have held votes where they did away with enforcement practices to prevent people from running red lights and killing and maiming others. Just another case of expecting other people to obey the law… but not ‘me’ if I think it’s a stupid law that infringes on my ‘freedom.’

Paulo977

“THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY ILLEGALS”

???????????

AmVet

“And yes, one of the very few things that George of the Bungle got right in his entire administration was supporting the McCain/Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007. But the rabid, always enraged cons in the GOP base went berserk ”

We coulda’ solved this years ago….

Off Topic

USMC dawg and Scout:

Conversation overheard on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz while flying from Europe to Dubai:
Iranian Air Defense Site: ‘Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.’
Aircraft: ‘This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.’
Air Defense Site: ‘You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!’
Aircraft: ‘This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send ‘em up, I’ll wait!’
Air Defense Site: ( …. total silence)
There is something about a Marine that makes other countries listen to reason.

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:19 pm

“But do take it to your local Republican/Tea Party congreassional representative and put it a bill.”

And they’ll love it…as long as you don’t ALSO tell them taxes will have to be raised to pay for it.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:19 pm

Lord Help Us:

“It appears you are ‘for’ Democracy when it conforms to your definition and ‘against’ democracy when it does not…”

I say again: Hitler, Stalin, Mussoilini, Mao, Chavez, etc. were all “elected”.

If you think those were/are democracies, I have some land in Fla. I would like you to look at.

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Hey, Matti–Hope your having a great day!!

Mark T

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Maybe we should bring back all of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help deport them. I think taking care of our own problems before worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan makes sense. Got that?”

Can’t be done. It is unconstitutional to use our national military for police actions within our own borders.

Did you get out of the 4th grade?

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

“Wrong…it is unconstitutional to use our military to enforce martial law…not to protect our borders”

They can only be used to protect our borders from a military invasion. Illegal immigration is not a military invasion, it is a law enforcement issue.

DebbieDoRight

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

@@: Going against the grain, I was in favor of Bush’s immigration reform policies. Does that make he and I liberals or compassionate conservatives? Perhaps pragmatists?

Pragmatist. I was in favor of them too. I am also in favor of the bill that the Dems tried to push a few weeks ago (make a more direct path to citizenship contingent upon military service). A lot of the repugs weren’t for this though – it seems to me they would’ve jumped on it; especially since a lot of them were military dodgers during the Vietnam era. And giving their propensity to start wars all over the world, they should’ve seen the need for the manpower to fuel said wars.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

Mark T

I wonder about that DHS report and the FAIR numbers.

FAIR needs to be examined closely.

FAIR is considered a hate group by the SPLC for ties to white supremicist groups and funding from The Pioneer Fund. For the last 70 years, the Pioneer Fund has funded controversial research about race and intelligence, essentially aimed at proving the racial superiority of white people. The group’s original mandate was to promote the genes of those deemed to be descended predominantly from white persons who settled in the original 13 states prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

I think there is plenty of reason to be skeptical.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:20 pm

“Well, of course the GOP doesn’t want to go after the employers. They are, after all, overwhelmingly white.”

Race card played.

Now, on to real debate -

barking frog

January 27th, 2011
12:21 pm

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:18 pm

What percentage of the time will the prize then be behind Door #2:
—————————————————–
100% of the times that it is placed there.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:21 pm

Doggone/GA:

You “are” dodging me …………… :o

In any case, on violent criminals need be executed, jailed or deported.

99% of the rest will go home if they absolutely cannot find work or receive ANY benefits from the government except emergency care at a hospital while they are enroute to Mexico.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

barking frog:

I used to live on Lookout Mtn.

Do we have something in common here ?

WillieRae

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

Jay,
You and I might disagree about the policy here. However you are dealing with the policy. You are not assinating the character of people who don’t share your policy views. You are not making sweeping comdemnations of their motives. There is a disagreement about policy and we can talk about how best to move forward. What you have written is civil in the best sense.
This is what real editorial writers do…provoke discussions about the right way forward, argue passionately for a point of view, not play partisan thug.

Well done.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

Thanks for posting this info, Jay. It’s no wonder why some US corporations are so against this administration given that they’re the target in the illegal immigrant battle instead of the little guy just trying to feed a family.

ronald

January 27th, 2011
12:22 pm

“The Pioneer Fund. For the last 70 years, the Pioneer Fund has funded controversial research about race and intelligence, essentially aimed at proving the racial superiority of white people”

Granny- You are really full of it today and your comments regarding Pioneer Fund are not accurate. I wonder if you apply those same standards to some REAL race-focused organizations….such as the Congressional Black Caucus?

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

Off topic.

I’m not convinced Mubarak has left the country. Seems his party has sent word they’re willing to listen to the protesters but make no concessions.

The Egyptian military is not in favor of Mubarak’s son assuming the throne.

That, in my opinion, is a good sign. Some countries require military rule. Tunisia’s military has said they support the protesters.

Bruno

January 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

100% of the times that it is placed there.

barking frog–I checked with the judges, and they say that that is a valid answer.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:24 pm

ronald

prove the data wrong

I dare you!

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:25 pm

Jay:

“According to the Times story, however, House Republicans are trying to pressure the administration into returning to that previous enforcement approach, focusing manpower and resources on rounding up low-level workers rather than investigating and punishing those who knowingly hire them.”

If you recall, I let Bush have it many times on here for his lax approach to this problem. I never could figure out what was blinding him to a correct approach.

I “think” you and I are in agreement on this one. Deport only the violent ones but make punishment so severe for employers who knowingly hire illegals that most will head home.

AmVet

January 27th, 2011
12:25 pm

…it is unconstitutional to use our military to enforce martial law…not to protect our borders…

Not so. At least without more than that simplistic answer.

The statute of posse comitatus generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The intent of the act is to prevent the military forces of the United States from becoming a national police force or guardia civil. Accordingly, the act prohibits the use of the military to “execute the laws.” Execution of the laws is perceived to be a civilian police function, which includes the arrest and detention of criminal suspects, search and seizure activities, restriction of civilian movement through the use of blockades or checkpoints, gathering evidence for use in court, and the use of undercover personnel in civilian drug enforcement activities.

The federal courts have had several opportunities to define what behavior by military personnel in support of civilian law enforcement is permissible under the act. The test applied by the courts has been to determine whether the role of military personnel in the law enforcement operation was “passive” or “active.” Active participation in civilian law enforcement, such as making arrests, is deemed a violation of the act, while taking a passive supporting role is not.[7] Passive support has often taken the form of logistical support to civilian police agencies. Recognizing that the military possesses unique equipment and uniquely trained personnel, the courts have held that providing supplies, equipment, training, facilities, and certain types of intelligence information does not violate the act. Military personnel may also be involved in planning law enforcement operations, as long as the actual arrest of suspects and seizure of evidence is carried out by civilian law enforcement personnel.

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/trebilcock.htm

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:26 pm

Related story…Agents found a large,working catapult that was used to hurl drugs over a border fence. Hey Jay, pretty soon they will start hurling people over, beating your 18 second time of climbing over.

Scout

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

“Hey Jay, pretty soon they will start hurling people over, beating your 18 second time of climbing over”

They could try, but Mythbusters proved that it would be too dangerous to be workable!

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

I know a Latino guy who runs a masonry business. All of his employees are Latino. Don’t know whether they’re illegal or not. The employer’s legal though. Was born here. Don’t know whether his parents were legal though. He’s pretty old….probably are.

Paul

January 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

Granny

Is Pioneer Fund the Right’s equivalent of Soros?

:-)

They gotta learn to funnel their $$$ through other groups on their way to the final destination so they can deny direct support -

:-) :-)

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:28 pm

Frickin’ laser guided catapult.

JohnnyReb

January 27th, 2011
12:29 pm

First and foremost, you can’t reward illegal behavior by legally granting the object of desire. In this case, illegally coming into the USA and being given citizenship or a path to citizenship.

Next, you won’t ever stop the influx if they believe there is even a snowballs chance in h e l l they can become a citizen and/or live here without hassle.

Employers with illegal workers should be targeted and brought to justice, however, if you do workplace raids you not only find the illegal workers, you get the bad employers as well. Just nailing the employer is a whimpy Left position, similar to others, that really don’t address the problem as it should.

The cost sited to deport is ridiculous and a product of weak-kneed officials bending to the whims of the Left by granting rights of Citizenship to non-citizens. Don’t you think a legal working along with a bunch of illegals will be able to produce paperwork whereas the illegals can’t. It does not take 6 months of court proceedings, a free attorney, out-on-bail, etc. to understand the illegal needs to be loaded up and dumped back into Mexico.

BADA BING

January 27th, 2011
12:30 pm

Doggone…..Many illegals die crossing the desert, some are killed by the drug gangs. I would take my chance with a catapult.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2011
12:31 pm

Paul

Nope, I’m afaiid it’s much worse than that. Their history is actually very creepy.

@@

January 27th, 2011
12:31 pm

Catapulting illegals. That reminds me of an exchange between the original Scooter and RW (the original) years ago.

Deplorable but funny.

While giggling, I scolded ‘em both.