In Congress, anti-Muslim bigotry gaining a strong foothold

LOL @ TaxPayer!!!!!!!!

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I would say that it is Allen West is “the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established” AND that he appears be a
vile, ugly bigot wearing a nice suits.

And after checking the fabric I may have to change that to “cheap” suits.

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Del: Is that the same distrust shown to jews and catholics in the south in the past? How about Italians,Hispanics, etc.? Allright conserves, I know I’ll hear otherwise.

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Muslim extremists in this country and other countries have shown they will stop at nothing to kill and maim as many people as possible. The Muslim community worldwide, for the most part, has been extremely reluctant to comdemn these actions. This suggests the ugly possibility they quietly approve of this violence. We have to protect ourselves and being nice and politically correct doesn’t help much if you wind up dead. You have to see things as they really are and not as you might want them to be.

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I was thinking about sending some CDs to our compassionate conservatives in congress. Something like this comes to mind.

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TaxPayer

January 25th, 2011
2:15 pm

Tax,
I don’t know about that, but I do know I feel a whole lot safer now that I know Scout takes a gun to Church….

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And next month, King’s committee is scheduled to hold public hearings into the alleged disloyalty of the Muslim-American community.

Tailgunner Joe is alive and well it seems…

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Road Scholar, perhaps you can point us to some events in your lifetime that should cause concern here in America about committed terrorist acts associated with the religious and ethnic groups you’ve identified.

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saywhat? It’s the sweat tea.

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“A civilzation fights to preserve itself or it dies. Has ours become so hollow, such a pale imitation of its former self? Do we lack the capacity even to speak of the evils arrayed against us? Have we become so cowardly that our censure is reserved for our saviors, not our pillagers?”

Andrew C. McCarthy
Lead Federal Prosecutor
First World Trade Center Bombing
“The Grand Jihad”

Now, don’t you think he knows more about what is going on in this country regarding radical Islam than any of us on this thread including Jay ?

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“Jay, since we defeat you intellectually and in….blah…blah”

Dude. I know how to end the U.S. deficit. We could buy
you for what you’re worth, and sell you for what you
think you’re worth. Bam

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Well, when we get the Rev. Huckabee in the White House the towelheads will be finished. We’ll get back to holding prayer meetings in the guvmint offices and maybe bring Gonzalez back as AG to take out after these Muslim Traders. Right now they know they got a Kenyan Socialist Muslim there to protect them. What we need is a Southren Baptist President. Which ain’t quite as good as a Holiness President but will do.

Anyhow, I been thinking about downstairs and how Scout brings his gun to church. I figure people are well behaved in his church. There’s nothing like somebody that’s a little crazy and has a gun to make people think twice about what they say and do.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

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Now, don’t you think he knows more about what is going on in this country regarding radical Islam than any of us on this thread including Jay ?

Considering one of us on this thread works in a capacity dealing with this very topic, I’d beg to differ somewhat.

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Road Scholar,

I don’t recall Catholics and others blowing up buildings in this country or Jews as well. I don’t recall these same people vowing to kill the infidel and declaring jihad on anyone who disagreed with them. Apples and bananas, my friend.

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Jay, I was funnin off of Scout’s quote. You correctly put ’sconsin’s own, Joe Mc

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Nobody escapes the Spanish Inquisition. Perhaps there are still some of the internment camps used to house Japanese Americans available to house American Muslims.

At least illegal immigrants can breathe easier knowing we have a new bogeyman.

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yakker

Tim Mcvey was a catholic..

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At least illegal immigrants can breathe easier knowing we have a new bogeyman.

Don’t bet on it. Call it a “co-bogeyman” and include gays in that list of bogeymen trotted out every time the Republicans need to incite a little fear to get their base to stick together.

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Scout thinks it’s important for someone to debate someone else’s book. Weird.

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If America is truly the promoter of tolerance and acceptance of others, than a religion that espouses a “with us, or against us” mentality is unlikely to be able to co-exist.

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“Islam is not simply a religion. It is nothing more than an old way to oppress people.”

Author Unknown

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Now Scout quotes something that just as easily could have been said about Christians by Bill Maher, but he can’t attribute it.

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Jay:

If those “beliefs” include terroristic acts, support, guidance and funding ……………… ABSOLUTELY !

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“Christianity is not simply a religion. It is nothing more than an old way to oppress people.”

Fixed your typo. Actually my point is you could apply that to any religion

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In 1775, John Adams wrote: “All sober inquirers after truth, ancient and modern, pagan and Christian, have declared that the happiness of man, as well as his dignity, consists in virtue. Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, Mahomet, not to mention authorities really sacred, have agreed in this.”

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ByteMe: I suspect someone somewhere on Reagan’s team knew that, and that’s why he did it (/conspiracy-theory)

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If those “beliefs” include terroristic acts, support, guidance and funding

And how do you go about proving that those “beliefs” indeed do as you think they do???

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I read somewhere,

that since 1980, more people have been kilt by DOLPHINS,

than radical Islamic extremists.

There is just no money involved in a War agin Sea Mammels.

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ByteMe:

I repeat:

So where is the Christian terrorist network composed of million of followers. Do Christian ministers around the world laud terrorists for their murders of thousands of innocent people? Are Christian churches hotbeds of terrorist networks ?

Your naivete’ is astounding.

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This shouldn’t take all that long to dispense with. The first part, anyhow. Rep King should call Sheik Kabbani to testify…. or…. he could just read into the record what Kabbani said, what King said formed the basis of his concern:

“Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani testified before a State Department Open Forum: “The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques, that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States – like churches they were established by different organizations and that is ok – but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology. Because they are very active they took over the mosques; and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the US. And there are more than 3000 mosques in the US. So it means that the methodology or ideology of extremist has been spread to 80% of the Muslim population, but not all of them agree with it.”

Then he can read into the record follow-up questions and comments which sought to clarify those remarks:

http://www.meforum.org/61/muhammad-hisham-kabbani-the-muslim-experience-in

“”Extremist Ideology”

MEQ: You spoke last year, at a forum sponsored by the U.S. Department of State, of a “threat that will grow” if Americans do not “quickly stop the kind of extremist ideology that is filtering in.”4 What is that threat?

Kabbani: This is a delicate point, so allow me to make a couple of introductory comments. First, we should remember that the problem of extremism is not confined to the Muslim community. Extremists come out of a variety of traditions and focus on a variety of issues – paranoia about the growth of the federal government and obsession with abortion being two well-known issues that have led individuals to the kind of extremism I am talking about, sometimes with violence resulting.

Second, I used the word extremist in an ideological sense. I did not intend to imply that much of the leadership has engaged in acts of violence, or could be described as terrorists. In Arabic, my native language, extremism and terrorism have very different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably.

MEQ: How do you define extremism?

Kabbani: Extremism is an unwillingness to accept any viewpoint but one’s own. It is un-Islamic. In Arabic, ghulu means ideas that deviate from the center. The Prophet Muhammad specifically stated, “Do not go to the extreme in your religion.” Extreme ideas are not violent in themselves but they do on occasion lead to violent acts. That is the context in which I used the word “extremism” to describe ideas currently expressed in Islamic centers across America.

Ideological extremism can result in an act of violence when an individual pursues his ideas to such an extreme that he thinks only his ideas are correct and must therefore be enforced on everyone else.

MEQ: Is there a specifically Islamic quality to this extremism?

Kabbani: No, such extremism is found in every religion and ideology. In fact, in Islam it is specifically stated that “There is no compulsion in religion.”

Of course, the majority of Muslims are not extremists. Like any other group in America, Muslims as a whole are a peaceful people simply pursuing their lives and do not constitute a threat to anyone. But Islamic doctrine can be perverted by ideologues to justify harming others. The threat represented by those willing to use violence to pursue their goals—to terrorize people by throwing bombs and killing innocents—is a danger to all peace-loving people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. Such acts, I should add, are expressly forbidden in Islam.

MEQ: What should Americans do to protect themselves from this threat?

Kabbani: The responsibility is on the American Muslim community to reject extremism and to condemn any act of violence. We must keep to a moderate line, as Prophet Muhammad said, “We are a moderate nation.”

Then Rep King might learn to instruct his staff on how to conduct research and he may want to think about stripping away his cultural biases when assessing remarks.

As to the second point, about Rep West: Rep King could invite him over for a drink and discuss his ‘lessons learned’. If that fails, well, 20 percent of any group will believe anything. Including Congress.

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The person is smart but people are stupid. Whether or not 80% of mosques are radical isn’t really the issue and I doubt that number is based on any serious research. I mean what did they ask…Are you radical?

The problem is the most vile cowardly attacks in the world (today) consistently are committed by those claiming to be Muslim. Not Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, JWs, Buddhists, Hindu or whatever. It is difficult to convince the “people” how peace loving Islam is when all they have to do is turn the television on; regardless of how many non radical muslims there may be.

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Misty Fyed :

Thank you.

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Sound like this chicken King should carry a gun with him everywhere as the big bad boogie islamist my jump up and get him.

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Enter your comments hereJay,

Here is a partial list of Mosques in America that are preaching for Sharia Law.

http://loganswarning.com/islamsharia-101sharia-mosques-in-america/

Now show me just one Mosque that is condemning Sharia. Do you know that Ellison has given speeches at Sharia conferences? Do you have any actual knowledge on the threat of Islam at all? Why do you stand up for a religion that condones rape and slavery?

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Ok, bad idea for West to do the interview with Peritz. He should probably wack his staffers over the head a time or two. Second, West seemed to respond that one has to debate “these people” and defeat them intellectually. I’d say its a step up from what some of the nuttier folks have said.

I couldn’t watch the rest of the interview. The pandering made me to ill to watch the rest of the absurdities sure to follow.

If I had to assign “quack levels” to the two of them, Peritz gets an 8 or 9 (although I think some of his views might be common at AIPAC), and West only scores a 5 or 6.

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“There are many moderate Muslims, but Islam is not moderate.”

Me

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Here’s the thing…. If he’s just making that up, then yeah, he’s got an irrational issue with Muslims. But what if he’s right? That’s the thing. You just assume he’s wrong and present no evidence to the contrary.

If 80% of US Mosques are led by Imams who espouse jihad (which, may I remind you, is a part of their religion), then that’s a problem. If you dispute what he calls a fact, then show us your evidence, don’t just say “He’s a bigot.”

And Keith Ellison is actually a pretty scummy guy, but that’s got nothing to do with his religion.

I’d also like to point out that Peter King has been in office since 2003, was not up for election in November, and there’s a decent chance the Tea Party woulda voted him out. No matter how much you like to repeat it, most folks who identify with the Tea Party are not bigots and do not like bigotry.

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Granny,

Is Alan West another Uncle Tom for his views? “A certifiable loon”, as Mick states? This man retired as a LTC, Infantry and served in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was airborne qualified and a commander of troops. He is the 1st conservative black congressman to serve since JC Watts, probably another Uncle Tom, in your opinion. For Christ’s sake, he even joined the Congressional Black Caucus with a little arm twisting and cajoling.
He might be remembered for having the balls to save American lives while interrogating an Iraqi when he encouraged the prisoner to talk by firing a pistol near the prisoner’s head, thereby avoiding an ambush planned for the unit in question. For that, he was given the thanks of his country and forced to retire from the Army. His men would have jumped off a bridge for him. He is a decorated, tell it like it is, hardcore infantry officer who is the first black person to win his Congressional district since 1876, and by a wide margin, I might add. All of you brothers and sisters cheered when Bozo took the Presidency but this guy is just not black enough for you and never will be.

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Soooo.. TWO congressmen speak out about the possibility of a problem with Muslims and that is a strong “anti-Muslim bigotry” movement with our legislators in Washington? Think what it would be if there were THREE who spoke out about a possible danger? Wow!

Oh, oh, Jay, the jaunty juggler of facts when he can jiggle political parties. Two Republican congressmen who would shake hands with anybody in congress at any time but they are BIGOTS! BooHoo Bigots ’cause they keep an eye on American security. Those naughty boys!!! They act like they have not forgotten 9/11 !! How awful!!!! Don’t they know they are suppsoed to forget??

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Scout: Your paranoia is astounding as well. So where is the “Islamic network with millions of followers” in this country? How big is the Christian kiddie-diddlers network? You going after them with the same gusto or do they look too much like you?

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Jay:

You must be kidding.

The FBI is up to it’s neck in this matter including infiltrating mosques all over this country.

How naive can you be …………………

And yes, I still have contacts in that organization that you don’t have or you would be telling the truth.

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Perhaps they should encourage the people protesting for freedom in Tunisia and Egypt instead.

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Oh, and jay? I’ve always admired Lanny Davis as a Democrat I could admire. He wrote a fond farewell to Sen. Lieberman.

Take a good look at how a gentlemen behaves.

You could learn a thing or two from Lanny although I doubt you’re interested.

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I have yet to see a conservative commenter respond AT ALL to my 2:48p, much less reasonably.

This says a lot doncha think?

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Of course, the majority of Muslims are not extremists. Like any other group in America, Muslims as a whole are a peaceful people simply pursuing their lives and do not constitute a threat to anyone. But Islamic doctrine can be perverted by ideologues to justify harming others. The threat represented by those willing to use violence to pursue their goals—to terrorize people by throwing bombs and killing innocents—is a danger to all peace-loving people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. Such acts, I should add, are expressly forbidden in Islam.

Paul

I highlighted that for you. People like Rep. King are more of the problem than they are the solution. I can’t go into detail here, because this is not the proper venue. This country really needs to educate itself on the true beliefs of Islam. Not the soft, cuddly version, not the radicalized version, but the true un-abridged version. Islam is as varied in it’s beliefs as Christianity is. There are some who eat, sleep, and breath each and every written word of the Holy Book as if it is life itself, while there are others who live the principles but not down to the very last letter.

If people would just step back from the Islam bashing for a while and open their eyes, the true nature of the problem can be seen. Once the true nature is known, then the true solution will be easy to find.

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I’ve always admired Lanny Davis as a Democrat

oh, yeah, he’s such a mensch, that Lanny.

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(which, may I remind you, is a part of their religion)

Do you even know what jihad is or how many different versions of jihad there are?

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See, Scout, and his kind, want the big bad government out of their lives, but not the lives of anybody they disagree with.

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I received this from a friend. It has some history on Col. West, plus he nails it in the video. And, I’m glad some of you overly bleeding hearts are not in charge, else we might end up being house boys.

Col West, a Republican is from Southern Florida, a bastion of the Democratic Party. He won in a walk. This new Congressman was an extremely popular commander in Iraq. He was forced to retire because during an intense combat action a few of his men were captured. At the same time his men were captured, an Iraqis was captured by his team. Knowing that time was crucial and his interrogators were not getting anywhere with the prisoner, COL West took matters into his own hands. He burst into the room and demanded through an interpreter that the prisoner tell him where his men were being taken. The prisoner refused so COL West took out his pistol and placed it into the prisoner’s crotch and fired. Then the COL told the prisoner that the next shot would not miss. The prisoner showed where the captured American service members had been taken. The soldiers were rescued. Someone filed a report on incorrect handling of prisoners. COL West was forced to retire.

During the Florida election Col West was part of a panel discussing how to handle or how to relate to Muslims. His answer is at the link below. Here is a new congressman from Florida explaining very definitively in just over a minute the truth about Islam.

http://secure.afa.net/afa/activism/takeaction.asp?id=384

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Scout,

I thought you cons are against dictators?

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“See, Scout, and his kind, want the big bad government out of their lives, but not the lives of anybody they disagree with.”

Bingo!

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jewcowboy:

Your putting words in my mouth. Not nice.

Read the 10th Amendment.

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Adam:

You answer this one and we’ll see:

None of you libs have described the worldwide, clergy led, Christian terrorist network involving millions of followers and responsible for thousands and thousands of murders and carnage.

I’m waiting.

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If it is unclassified, Scouty, and can be looked up then you claim to have information that others dont because of “contacts” is nonsensical. You have no idea whether or not anyone has looked up that info but you pretend to have special knowledge. Sorry, you fail.

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Isn’t that Sharia Law just an offshoot of Southern Baptist Law.

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Now Jay says that congressman King has NO evidence to support his statements. How does Jay know that? Does Bookman have access to security information sent to Congress? NO. Or the House Homeland Security Committee ? NO.

He is simply drumming his old dance against Republicans. And all his little buddies dance with him. Here’s the bait so JUMP he says.and they do.

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Now it’s your turn to answer mine Scout. I will respond to your response to my last post only AFTER you have done so.

I’m waiting.

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Good!

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bigotry – another word for i don’t agree with you.

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SoCom

Well, it’s nice to know at least one person read the link on Kabbani’s expanded remarks. How he stated ‘extremism’ is not the same as ‘terrorist’ or ‘violent’ and how he defined ‘extremism’ as deviating from the middle way, from moderation, as rejecting others, as not assimilating into America.

But, I guess if a lot of bloggers actually read what he said and thought about it, they’d be less inclined to make a great leap of illogic and display ignorance.

Or not.

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somebody needs to tell Batman; oh wait, that was ADAM West. somebody needs to tell the FNG Rep from FL the oath he took upon being sworn in as a member of Congress requires him to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…” it doesn’t say anything about “stand(ing) in the principles of the people that elected me and sent me to Washington…” wanna know why? ’cause what if “the people that sent me to Washington…” are “domestic enemies” of the United States? see, the Constitution allows for Muslims to be elected, just as it allows ex-military xenophobes to be elected. but here’s my rhetorical chin rubber, could you imagine if the Muslim rep from Minnesota played THAT card? “…well, since my district is primarily Muslim, screw the Constitution, I’m gonna stand on the principles of Islam…” that’s all for now, folks…

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Y’all have fun with this one. So far off base, there’s no need to even try to correct any of it.

Later

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Alan,

I’ll take on your 2:48. No we don’t trust this clown of a president and most everyone who agrees with him. I would not trust you if you were an elected official and supporting Bozo’s policies. He has given us no reason to trust him. He has lied, cajoled, berated and demonized the opposition at every turn, only to get soundly thumped in the last election. And he still doesn’t get it, as do most Democrats. We don’t like whats going, Adam, we don’t like it at all. And trust….. you can forget that, my friend.

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Scout,

Do you believe there is sufficient evidence against Muslims in this country to take action?

If so, what action do you think is needed?

Internment camps?
Raid Mosques?
Make the practice of Islam illegal?

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All you folks jumping on Scout would do better to jump on Jay Bookman. He’s the one who can jump to a conclusion over two people and make a serious judgment without any particular facts to prove his point.

We do know that Scout worked in a government protection agency for many years. (He is truthful.) How long has Bookman worked in one? I’m talking about protection, not rabble rousing.

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“I will respond to your response to my last post only AFTER you have done so.”

Scout. Don’t blink.

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Paul

Stuff like that is kinda like required reading for the job. I don’t know nearly as much as some of the other guys I work with, but I do know enough to say that much of what’s said here on this blog is like trying to apply wings to the Titanic to keep it from sinking. People who are unaware of what they are doing are actually giving extremists the fuel they need to stoke their fires. All one has to remember is that we are a nation of laws, and the highest law of the land is the US Constitution.

gone now….

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I liked one part of Allen West’s remarks – “…you got to be able to defeat them intellectually and in debate and discourse.”

This indicates he is not into third grade name calling, like the guy who asked the question, but has the idea that one can debate ues and maintain civility.

The interviewer said: “…Because it’s not really easy to be that … polite, often, with individuals one totally disagrees with…”

The interviewer is saying that he lacks the intellectual ability to debate issues without third grade name calling.

Fascinating. The interviewer made a fool of himself and does not have a clue…………..

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Joe,

First time in a long time that I have read about an FNG. It’s been a long time.

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If our compassionate conservative bloggers do not feel safe yet, then perhaps they should be pushing for fifty-round clips for their handguns. And just think of the bulge their concealed weapons will cause. The Republican men will swoon every time they see one of their heavily-armed womenfolk walk by.

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‘Time to go see my grandchildren.’

Hope none of them are Muslim…

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Dusty

Scout worked for the Secret Service. Check the mission of the SS versus the FBI, CIA, NSA, CBP, and other agencies. Scout probably knows people and knows a few things, but definitely not everything. If there was someone in the US that knew everything, we wouldn’t have a problem at all with extremists or extremism.

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He forgot one:

Multiple Choice Quiz:

Which of the following “religious” entities in the United States requires untold millions in taxpayer money and immense NSA, Military Intelligence, CIA, FBI (to name a few) assets to conduct investigations and physical surveillances of places of worship, community service establishments, places of education, etc. via undercover FBI agents, paid informants and sophisticated electronic means:

a) Roman Catholic Church
b) Methodist Church
c) Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)
d) Church of God
e) Southern Baptist Church
f) Judaism (all forms)
g) Lutheran Church
h) Presbyterian Church
i) Episcopal Church
j) Mennonnite Church
k) Church of the Brethren
l) Nazarene Church
m) 7th Day Adventist Church
n) Quakers
o) Church of Christ
p) Islam
q) All of the above

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jm: I know it’s not a persuasive argument. I was throwing it out there to see what kind of response Scout would give. I knew it wouldn’t be something as reasonable as pointing out the logical fallacy. Instead it was just silence.

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“….that this is a propaganda war – this is an information war…”

Man is he right.

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Sorry Jay – this fellow knows his stuff.

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Paul: Now it begins to make sense. They only distrust government when there are Democrats or liberals there. So if it was all conservative and there were no Kenyans or Muslims, would that be satisfactory?

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kayaker71, I have no firsthand experience with the acronym, but I thought it appropriate for Rep West, given his military background, and if I am not mistaken, FNG is not a term of endearment – more like, you gotta earn the right to be called by name, until you do, you’re just a FNG. you’d think an experienced soldier would know when he walks into an ambush.

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‘FAIRNESS DOCTRINE…and control of the internet.’

Oh. My. God.

The turdblossom parade never ends…

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Do you think Putin may have had enough of the Islamic terrorists in Russia ???

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Adam: Once again you rise to the occasion, demonstrating for all your lack of, well, knowledge. Plenty of conservatives railed against Bush for things like Medicare Part D, and TARP I.

But I guess it would be hard to maintain your blinders if you actually bothered to remember anything that happened more than 5 minutes ago.

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LHU, we didn’t bring it up when liberals dominated the air waves…it’s you whinee babies who keep throwing it out there and hoping it will stick somewhere.

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Joe,

My apologies for misinterpreting your meaning. In the context where I used the term, it was a term of endearment for a new guy that had just reported into a military unit serving in VN. It depicted a really fresh,inexperienced person who someone would have to look after for awhile until he got acclimated. It had just been a very long time since I had heard it mentioned.

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Paul…BINGO.

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Sidebar. It’s raining today. You think they’ll shut the city down tomorrow? Has anyone alerted the state DOT?

Given that…. Atlantans seem to have difficulty driving in the rain.

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Johnny62: You can pull a couple of things out of the sky that I failed to mention, but I would have to write my own article that’s at least 4 times as long as Jay’s longest post in order to put enough background in for you to get that I actually DID know that conservatives were against those things. I’m talking about right here, right now. The current debate, which is we need to make the government smaller coming from the very people who seek to make it larger for their purposes and smaller for any purposes they don’t support (increase military, Patriot Act, outlaw abortions, decrease taxes, decrease anything that could be called “entitlement”).

If you’re going to invoke the past, you have to recognize how horrible of a job conservatives have done in the past if indeed they were trying to make government smaller.

But I guess it would be hard to maintain your blinders if you actually bothered to remember anything that happened more than 5 minutes ago.

Wait, what were we talking about again?

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Hey Paul!

I’ve been working on a something today and have had complete writer’s block. I HATE that. Hell, forget getalife, I just made MY day. (j/k getalife)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okay wingnuts, I’m waiting on the answer to the poster who asked what we were to do about Isam, ban it? Make it illegal? Concentration camps?

What?

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LHU,

You forgot the word “freaking”

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My problem with liberals are they can never answer a question directly they dodge, bob, weave, throw down road blocks , insult everything about you well before an intelligent answer.

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Jay: Rep. West is simply stating that Islam is the antithesis of the basis upon which the US was founded and that would be correct. If you prefer a stretch, however, there is however, that blurb in the Declaration of Independence relating to the Indians out West…

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LHU…I own your goat.

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‘My problem with liberals are they can never answer a question directly they dodge, bob, weave, throw down road blocks , insult everything about you well before an intelligent answer.’

Methinks an intelligent answer would be a waste of time…

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Big D: Do you think Putin may have had enough of the Islamic terrorists in Russia ???

You mean that question? How’s this direct answer for you:

Yes.

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‘LHU…I own your goat’

He’s a virgin…please be gentle…

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Paul,

“If you asked my son when he was 10 what the Fairness Doctrine is, he’d have said “Life isn’t fair. Deal with it.””

Isn’t that true!

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I wonder if Obama will us the SOTU to tell the judges that Rahm qualifies. And to thank the Eagles for taking Vick under their wing. And to thank the Boston Cop and Gates for getting together.

Maybe he’ll opine on snowmaggedon in Atlanta, or the volcano under Yellowstone. Maybe he’ll say that 5 of the 9 supreme court justices don’t know their legal precedents very well. Inquiring minds want to know. What stupid things might Obama say tonight? Or will he stick to empty promises?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1350123/Worlds-largest-volcano-Yellowstone-National-Park-wipe-thirds-US.html#ixzz1C3ZLrxbc

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Big D

“My problem with liberals are they can never answer a question directly”

Some do

http://tinyurl.com/5rmoqpf

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Bosch,

“Probably nothing — they’d cancel each other out!”

How about a shot of Jack dropped into a glass of Canna Cola…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowSGxim_O8

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retired early

“The similarities between Islam and Christianity are compelling”

Seems you’re equating the political entity of Christendom, not Christianity, of a thousand years ago with modern Islamic radicals.

“Maybe they are both grossly outdated for modern thinkers and modern science.”

Not if they know what and how they’re assessing -

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I wonder if Obama will opine on the APS or Dekalb school board issues tonight…. or maybe the dysfunctional Gwinnett County Commission. Or Clayton county which is FUBAR in every facet.

Maybe he’ll talk about the Beltline. Or he’ll take issue with Jay’s criticism of his administration…. wait.

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kayaker71, as I said, my familiarity is via written accounts, and a few “war stories” from vets. but it was my understanding, a “fresh/inexperienced” solider in country for the first time was a “cherry”. but I do agree, West’s inability to respond in a manner becoming of a memeber of Congress, could be dismissed as “inexperience”.

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SoCo,

I don’t think Scout knows “everything”. But he surely knows more than Bookman who is ready to judge at a moments notice on the basis of statements from TWO congressmen.

Normal,

We are all aware that you feel no need for religion. but you seem to need to incriminate those who have it. and usually without any evidence whatsoever.

If the FBI, etc. are investigating that list of religious groups that you mentioned, they are wasting their time.

Maybe they would like to investigate what Lutherans sent to Haiti last year. Lutheran World Relief raised more than $7 million for a long term response. From their central warehouse to which all Lutheran churches send items, here’s the list of supplies from the first year: 25,545 quilts (homemade), 77,585 health kits, 2500 layettes, 35,700 school kits, 39 large tents, 17,500 tarps and $1.1 million to local partners to provide food, water, sanitation services and shelter.

Now that is what just one Christian denomination has done. I am sure other groups can equal that. That is what is being done now. not some historical thing of long ago. My point? Quit knocking a good thing just because you don’t have it. That would be nice!

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‘LHU….D Rep. Jim Clybern
D Rep. Bob Brady
D Rep. Anna Eshoo’

What is the wild world of sports is this? 3 Dem Lawmakers…

Are you inferring that these three dems are sponsors of the Fairness Doctrine?

What is the name/number of the legislation? How many hearings have been held?

Simple questions…

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Paul… this country is financially and morally bankrupt and it is going to take some very drastic measures to correct it and liberalism is NOT the answer…period, it is the problem.

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“Okay wingnuts, I’m waiting on the answer to the poster who asked what we were to do about Isam, ban it? Make it illegal? Concentration camps?”

Fit all muslims with explodable dog-collars and then micro-chip them…
Then send them to Gitmo for some motivational training a la “clockwork orange”.

And yes….I did cheer at the end of “Easy Rider”.

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Hello? Blog God?

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Hey AmVet

Harry Callahan next door at CT’s keeps insisting that you and I are the same person.

I thanked him for the compliment, then he insisted that Mary Elizabeth was also involved somehow.

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Anyone got a body count? Christians. Moslems. Jews. Hindus. Buddhists.
Do any of these actually do the killing? Do the killers pretend to embrace
one of the religions rather than follow its precepts? Who can we hate next?
Mexicans. That should work. We can invade them. They will be waiting with
open arms.

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Interesting how a thread on islamic bigotry spurs so much hatred and bigotry towards Christians. I supposed it’s ok to insult and berate Christians, that’s not bigorty.

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Joe,

If you meant that West’s response was one of inexperience and can be forgiven due to his lack Congressional experience, you are dead wrong. His constituents in Florida’s 22 district must have liked what he had to say, as he reiterated it more than once on the campaign trail. He has first hand experience with dealing with radical Islam in a way that let political correctness get in the way and he was fired for it. There are a lot of us out there that believe him. BTW, the Congressman that Bookman is berating for his Muslim opinion was just echoing what Shiek Obani (sp) was saying and agreeing with him. One of their own made the original statement in 1999. Wonder how much worse it is today?

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‘Did I say once that there was pending legislation..no’

In other words…you got nuthin…

Any other red herrings I can help you out with?

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Bother Kam, poor Hairy Calloused Hands needs an entire team of doctors.

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josef nix

It IS challenging, isn’t it?

godless heathen

““A future in which Islam and the West do not stand on the brink of mutual annihilation is a future in which most Muslims have learned to ignore most of their canon, just as most Christians have learned to do.:\”

Some would argue that, rather than having learned to ignore most of their canon, they have finally learned what the religion truly means and requires.

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Kamchak, AmVet and Mary Elizabeth.

Funny, House last night was about a guy who got in trouble with a threesome, too!

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PAT
@ 4:06

Point. But try and tell them that.

frog

I keep trying to nominate the ragpickers…

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Bosch…UM…yes they are.

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Big D

And if we’d just get out of there then maybe they’d turn their attention back on their own region’s regimes and we’ll see how well that works out for them.

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When Rep. West said “when you run into someone that is counter or someone that really does represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established, you got to be able to defeat them intellectually and in debate and discourse”, I’m sure he was referring to liberalism and not religion (although religion was mentioned in the question). Answered out of context of the question?

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LHU…
Thanks for your involvement today in how to prove a Liberal can completely miss the point.
You and Bosch both get the Gold Stars.

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Bosch…my 3:56 just to name a few….you don’t out of this blog much do you.

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‘Thanks for your involvement today in how to prove a Liberal can completely miss the point.’

You had a ‘point?’

It better have had nothing to do with my goat…

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Big D.,

The thing is….that claim about the Fairness Doctrine has been made so many times, and debunked even more…..one of two people mentioning it does not warrant an

“OH MY GOD THE LIBERALS ARE GONNA THROW OUT THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE”

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Paul..I agree to a point. I was one of those young men who did two tours where he really didn’t want to be and I would love more than anything to get everyone of those men out of there today. Problem is these “Islamic” believers will just get bored with killing each other and come after us again.

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boooooyah. Obama is in deep doodoo.

But Obama’s aides say the speech won’t be heavy on numbers – for instance, he’s unlikely to put a $50 billion price tag on the transportation projects, like he did during a Labor Day speech last year.

Instead, it’s intended to give Democrats a framework for negotiations heading into the epic showdown over the budget and the debt ceiling that is likely this spring. And here the GOP seems, at first glance to hold powerful leverage: Recent polls show a majority of Americans opposed to raising the debt limit without significant spending cuts.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48135.html#ixzz1C5HpTQ37

People have no idea how hard it is to close the deficit without drastically changing entitlements. And they’re against tax increases and against a debt ceiling increase.

Obama is so FUBAR, I just have to laugh.

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Problem is these “Islamic” believers will just get bored with killing each other and come after us again.

One if by land, two if by sea!

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kayaker: Glenn Beck might disagree with you on the funding source. George Soros is the source of all evil to him.

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Old Flat Top

“With his hippie music, I think he’s on the pot.”

“Yo man there ain’t been no hippies around here for centuries,”

(Corporal Jones to Gunny Highway, Heartbreak Ridge)

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O.K., jay. I found out where the 80% comes from. 80% of U.S. mosques receive their support from Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi sect. If you can prove otherwise, please do.

Freedom House seems like a pretty progressive group:

Freedom House is an independent watchdog organization that supports the expansion of freedom around the world. Freedom House supports democratic change, monitors freedom, and advocates for democracy and human rights.

Since its founding in 1941 by prominent Americans concerned with the mounting threats to peace and democracy, Freedom House has been a vigorous proponent of democratic values and a steadfast opponent of dictatorships of the far left and the far right. Eleanor Roosevelt and Wendell Willkie served as Freedom House’s first honorary co-chairpersons.

Anyhoo, this is what NGO Freedom House has to say about Wahhabism:

Some Wahhabist books and pamphlets teach that Muslims should reject absolutely any non-Muslim ideas and practices, including political ones. A study by the NGO Freedom House found Wahhabi publications in a number of mosques in the United States preaching that Muslims should not only “always oppose” infidels “in every way”, but “hate them for their religion . for Allah’s sake”, that democracy “is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century”, and that Shia and other non-Wahhabi Muslims were infidels.

I’ve got the link to Freedom House. If you want me to bring it, I will, but in all honesty, I think you’ve gotten lazy, jay. You look no further than a Republican to make your case.

Work, jay!!!! Have you forgotten what it is?

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jm,

ummm, what I meant was…

I’ll settle for Mitt Romney for President

IF he can weave around the party fanatics who so heavily influence the primaries, that is -

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LHU…
I now bow and and thank you once more. I’m sorry you most likely have sheep.

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It looks like the Republicans are ahead of schedule.

1. Announce they will make “big changes”.

2. First big change: make meaningless gesture by passing “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Act”

3. Follow first meaningless gesture by implying they’re not going to be able to do anything anyway by stating “Republicans don’t run things” (Eric Cantor parroting Haley Barbour)

4. Start throwing up smokescreens and diversions like Peter King’s Muslim investigation, Darrell Issa’s Oversight Committee investigations, Roger Wicker’s Life Begins at Conception bill, etc.

5. Spend next two years driving around in circles like Keystone Cops

6. During 2012 campaign, blame Democrats and Obama when asked about the time they wasted on everything except what really impacts American families’ lives

7. Pack up boxes in Congressional offices and move back to oblivion.

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Bosch @ 4.08,

My Earl Grey iced tea nearly made its way through my nose on that one…

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PAUL
I’m thinking Cantor and Issa…that ought to set ‘em all to twirlin!

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josef:

Wonder why we haven’t heard from the Bruin on the Hezbollah coup in Lebanon?

I’m guessing it’s because he’s got his nose imbedded so far up the dems’ “butts” that he can’t see beyond.

You ASKED!!!

(ISH)

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jewcowboy,

Well, you should have seen the picture I was gonna post….it was so awesome Blog God ATE it.

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josef nix

Cantor and Issa? Aaarghhhh….

Then again, Republicans just might love having the richest gazillionaire in Congress on the ticket.

jewcowboy

Earl Grey iced tea? Never considered that, may have to give it a try, thanks -

Bosch

You’ll probably not want to hear I fell asleep during I and II -

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Adam: Considering all the money he took from the British through currency manipulation, if any rich people should be thought of as evil, Soros is one of them. It’s amazing that liberals seem to love the guy. He says the right “liberal” things, but his wealth did not come from actually creating or producing anything, it came from moving money around and taking billions of dollar from the aggregate British populace. There are more poor people in Britain because of Soros.

I guess it’s like the left wing fascination with Che. It’s ok to be oppressive, to murder people who disagree with you, to torture people, to jail people with different politics, as long as your politics are left wing.

Had Che been a free market advocate, and acted the same way otherwise, the left would look back at him as a horrible villain. But since he was a communist, lefties wear Che t-shirts with pride.

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SOTU – I wonder if Obama will comment on the stalled housing development in my neighborhood. Or the new bottle shop going in…. maybe he can comment on what the 2011 Hartsfield security screening procedures will be. Or maybe he’ll compliment a member of our city council. Surely he’ll comment on Mayor Reed. There’s bound to be a long section about Atlanta water rates….

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Paul,

“You’ll probably not want to hear I fell asleep during I and II”

WHAT??

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I wonder why Obama didn’t give the Falcons a pat on the back for a job well done, even though they came up short…

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Since we’re in the 21st. century it would make sense to focus current events and behaviors. My ancestors haven’t shot any American Indians for several generations. The fact is we’ve had several Islamic jihadist terrorist attacks that have been successful , along with several that have failed. Some of the failures were close calls. I don’t believe King would pull a percentage out of the air, however, I do believe that political correctness would attempt to obscure percentages from the public. It has nothing to do with bigotry. It has everything to do with recognizing a danger and dealing with it.

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Paul,

“Earl Grey iced tea? Never considered that, may have to give it a try, thanks -”

My Earl Grey martini is even better…

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‘God forbid Jay that a Black man can be an Officer in the Military, get elected to Congress, have a mind of his own and be a conservative…that must make you want to throw up.’

You seem to be the only concerned with the man’s race…

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Jimmy62: I admit to not knowing everything. As such, I have no fascination with Che, someone I know nothing about.

As for Soros, if what you claim is true for both he and Che, then the two are not equivalent and you missed the civility memo.

Where exactly are you getting your info about Soros that you just stated?

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Can ANYONE here either confirm or deny that 80% of U.S. mosques are supported by Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi sect? If not, then Rep. King’s claims may not be motivated by bigotry. He, at the very least, deserves the benefit of a doubt.

If you can’t give him that, then I declare you a bunch of Democratic bigots. jay being the biggest among his bunch.

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LHU…
I can do that…he would not be getting any attention were he not.

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Why hasn’t Obama called Arthur Blank to compliment him on a team that has largely stayed out of the headlines, absent the typical unethical behavior?

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@@: Whether or not it’s bigotry, it’s an absurd claim and very irresponsible. It doesn’t have to be said by a bigot for the bigots not to latch on and issue death threats to their local mosques.

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Bosch

“WHAT??”

I think there might have been more than one pineapple mojito involved….

Jimmy62

“Don’t be dissing on a self-made man like Issa for being rich, he’s accomplished more than you could ever hope to.”

And you were doing so well until you surrendered to your baser self -

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ADAM

I would suggest that you do look into the lives and times of both Soros and Che…do it with an open mind on both counts and draw your own conclusions…

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@@,

I may be wrong on this, but aren’t the Saudi royal family adherents of the Wahhabi sect?

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You have to wonder why Obama hasn’t either come out for or against SACS putting APS on probation. As well as the court case between the members of the board. Obama, we’re waiting to hear what you have to say!!!

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‘he would not be getting any attention were he not.’

And you know this, how?

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jm,

“Why hasn’t Obama called Arthur Blank to compliment him on a team that has largely stayed out of the headlines, absent the typical unethical behavior?”

Shh…you might jinx them.

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On the road again….had fun..

God Bless you all.

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That’s ok, Jew Cowboy, I think athiests are the dumbest of all. They believe in randomness and that things come from nothing, yet there is no a single shred of evidence, not a citilla, not even a good lie to assert such a claim.
What you can prove something from nothing, then I let you continue with your ignorant ’sky fairy’ B.S.
I tell you, for not being a religion and having a single ideoligical book, you lot say all the same thing. ‘Sky fairy’, ‘flying spaghetti monster’, etc.
You mock with out fact or logic. I think that’s petty and idiotic.

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Cowboy:

Yes they are, and I’m no big fan. As it stands, our relationship is forced and will be for some time to come.

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“Wasn’t this country founded to escape ‘religious prosecution’ by England”

No, it wasn’t. If you are thinking of the Pilgrims they came here because they could not impose THEIR form of religious persecution on England.

But the ORIGINAL settlements here were economic – check out why France and Spain, in particular, settled people here. But even Jamestown, which was English, was an economic community – not a religious one.

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pat – devil’s advocate here. please provide your evidence of a god…. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just holding you to the same standard you just espoused.

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The Pilgrims came here because they could not impose their form of religious persecution on England.

Oh, the efforts to rewrite history.

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Jay fails here on three points. He can’t and does not prove that 80% of mosques have not been infected with radicalism. The second gentleman, made no comment wat so ever regarding islam or muslims at all, and on loose association here by two people, he asserts that anti-muslim bigotry is gaining a ‘foot hold’ in congress. 1-2-3 strikes your out.

Can you prove the claim that 80% of mosques have not been infiltrated? Because you did not. And I don’t see where West said anything anti-muslim. The muslim rep in question is not only a muslim, but a democrat. What evidence do you have that he was refering to the man’s faith? None? Ok, case closed.

And you accuse others of inciting and inflamatory rhetoric…Pot, meet Kettle.

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pat,

“They believe in randomness and that things come from nothing, yet there is no a single shred of evidence, not a citilla, not even a good lie to assert such a claim.”

Kindly provide proof that your Spéir Faerie exists in scientifically supportable terms.

“What you can prove something from nothing, then I let you continue with your ignorant ’sky fairy’ B.S”

Umm…you have no say so over what I can say.

“You mock with out fact or logic. I think that’s petty and idiotic.”

Pot meet kettle…

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@@,

Your 4:44 is the best post of the day. Looks like Bookman should do his homework.

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Well, Georgia’s own Paul Broun serves on the Homeland Security Committee. In fact, he is vice-chair of the Counterterrorism and Intelligence SubCommittee. He is probably good at it. Broun is the one who sponsored that legislation that would give the legal rights of a person to a fertilized egg from the moment a sperm penetrates the cell membrane. Now that is counterterrorism of the highest order against those Choicers! I am sure he will be equally intelligent about the Intelligence side of the committee work.

so Broun and King are quite a pair. Will we have another McCarthy moment?

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Paul,

“You yankin’ my chain?!!?”

There are couple of recipes out there (some with egg whites..ick) but mine is pretty simple.
Gin, simple syrup, concentrated brewed Earl Grey, ice…shake well and garnish with a lemon twist. Great for summer.

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jewcowboy

Now that sounds good.

Anything with gin sounds good….

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“Oh, the efforts to rewrite history.”

yep, in just about every history book in every school in the USA. If you want to know more, check out THEIR laws imposed on their communities here. They didn’t invent them for just the people who emigrated to this continent.

”
Ostensibly to escape religious persecution in England. Interestingly, many of the pilgrim communities, most of them Protestant Christians, went on to persecute other religious communities, such as Catholics. ”

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Pilgrims_come_to_America#ixzz1C5TLqT4T

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The internet, great invention. Electronic stock trading, great idea.

But the rest of Wall Street must be one of the dumber inventions of all time…. aside from some M&A advisory work…. their stock analysts in particular are beyond stupid. The rating agencies (off wall st.) also incredibly dumb. The quants – too smart to know they’re dumb. And the securitization junkies belong in a back alley.

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Jewcowboy, see my 5:06, I adressed you’re ‘pot meet kettle’ refutation. You should look it up too. If you can refute it, I personally will write the Nobel folks for you…

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One of West’s better quotes was when some interviewer asked him if he had it to do over again, would he have discharged his weapon while interrogating a prisoner. His response, ” I would carry a gasoline can through hell if it would save one of my men”. All of you armchair liberal warriors out there listen up. If you haven’t served, that’s the kind of commander you want, plain and simple. He would sure be my first choice.

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‘I thought it was My Pet Goat.’

Different turdblossom…

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pat,

“If you can refute it, I personally will write the Nobel folks for you…”

Just as soon as you provide verifiable scientific proof your Spéir Faerie exists…

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AmVet

Oblivion and its contemplation lies at the base of it all, yea or nay. But we don’t KNOW that either! I say that it is all a search for order and meaning to the universe and we refuse to believe there is none…be it scientific or theological..

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Different turdblossom…

Oh well, if you’ve smelled one, you’ve smelled them all….

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AmVet – Heaven is a sailboat, some rum, and a few mixers. And a fishing pole.

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jewcowboy

Hendricks is different, definitely good.

I tried a new tonic water a while back – by Stirrings. About 8 bucks for a four-pack, but it’s light, clear and wonderful. ‘Bout the closest I can come with the other two major brands is to squeeze a bit of lemon in.

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jewcowboy

Try Citadelle gin sometime and let me know what you think. From France. And if the bartender says “we serve only Freedom Martinis here” just leave……

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Off topic but an interesting sidelight to Hu’s state dinner.

Rush had an interesting story today about the entertainment following the state dinner. It seems that a Chinese pianist by the name of Lang Lang played a cherished Chi Com melody for all assembled which is a classic in China and revered by all of it’s citizens. It was the main musical background for a movie that depicted the Chinese efforts in the North Korea…. a sort of Chinese Gone with the Wind. During the movie, with the music playing in the background, the narrator in the movie calls American soldiers, “jackels” and revels in how many were killed by the Chinese. Hu, not known for his emotion, rose and hugged Lang Lang warmly following the piece. That all happened while Mr. and Mrs. Bozo were munching on their chocolate mousse and applauding loudly to the latest slap in the face by the Chinese. First the Biden incident, now this. And don’t tell me it wasn’t on purpose. They are getting more and more bold and the more money we borrow from them, the worse it gets. Wake up Bozo!!!!

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USMC – “Woman and cigars”. Indeed I did. Not a smoker myself, but I do like cigars.

Some might take issue with the first item. For a variety of reasons. But I did include that in my provisioning list, sort of an assumption, really….

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Paul,

French gin…interesting. I’ll have to check it out. There is a liquor store near my house that seems to have everything…they have 3 brands of bacon infused vodka.

“And if the bartender says “we serve only Freedom Martinis here” just leave……”

Sheesh…I can’t even fathom a place like that…

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I see that Jay has gone back to “innocent until proven guilty”. I do believe that Homeland Defense & King are trying to prove that their suspicions are correct. That is known as an investigation. Without investigating you cannot prove guilt or innocence.

Jay wants us to believe that such an investigation is bigotry. If that is true, everyone in the Justice system is a bigot..

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“Rush had an interesting story today …”

Why do I doubt that?

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Let me preface this by saying….I do not believe Keith Ellison to be a radical extremist. He grew up Catholic fercryinoutloud.

Instead of focusing on Republicans only, jay should question whether Chuck Schumer or Dick Durbin are equally as bigoted ’cause they alleged CAIR’s “ties to terrorism” AND “its association with groups that are suspect”.

CAIR contributed to Ellison’s campaign. Do they think Ellison, by extension, is tied to terrorism….is suspect?

You really do go out of your way, jay!

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“I do believe that Homeland Defense & King are trying to prove that their suspicions are correct.”

Funny how they are doing that in the press…

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jewcowboy

I lost a devoted pet of 15 years this morning. Gin and a toast sounds appropriate. Have to make a run to the store. Even all this wasn’t distracting enough. Off for the evening.

Thanks -

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The compassionate conservative bloggers here must really lead sad and miserable existences. They seem to be mad about everything and wish to blame everyone else for whatever it is that they stay mad about all the time. They are such sad people. I think their churches are letting them down by not giving them the comfort that they seek or something so they must feel a need to blame others for their emptiness.

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Paul – huge bummer dude. I think its cheaper by the handle.

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jewcowboy,

So your faith is proving the absence of it. That IS truly oblivion, one that I would not enjoy. But let us not argue about religion. How about…. how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

While you count them, I’ll be cooking up some chili. Ahhh….chili…the coup de grace of cold weather… It never fails..

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Congress really is about as mature as a bunch of kindergardeners. That might be generous. His whole political seating coupling thing borders on ridiculous.

A decent gesture gone absurd. As always. States rights… please.

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Dusty,

“I’ll be cooking up some chili. ”

Making some tomato bisque myself…as I said…to each their own

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“…I can swear there ain’t no heaven, and I pray there ain’t no hell…” Laura Nyro

I did not know she wrote that song. Thanks

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josef nix

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Cowboy:

In response to your post regarding the Saudi royals. Business is business…religious beliefs are religious beliefs. I wouldn’t even put forth the argument that all within Wahhabism hold to the edicts put forth, but the very fact that they exist are reason to be cautious. King seeks to exercise that caution in the interest of all who reside within the U.S.

I don’t see anything wrong with that. That’s what he was elected to do. Whether or not someone feelings get hurt is their problem, not his.

It’s all so silly.

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Paul, my condolences on loss of your pet. I have noticed in this mix of opinion over the months that if there is one thing most always agreed, it is love of pets. We have cats, but love all animals. God bless children and the animals.

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Sidebar – just saw some geese fly over. They know spring is on its way…. though it don’t feel like it yet.

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jonix 5:44 – had a conversation with a certain PAC person about this issue. You can probably put another Israeli war on the clock in 90 to 180 days….

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@@,

“Business is business…religious beliefs are religious beliefs.”

Not in a theocratic state.

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@ @@

I could careless if there is an House investigation, however if King feels that his 80% figure and whatever other accusations he has put forth are true, I would hope that the CIA, FBI and local authorities are already doing their homework……..

Both Parties love to grandstand when it comes to these type panels and investigations……… Hopefully something comes out of it besides pundit hyperbole and a bunch of name calling and unfounded innuendo……… as is the result many times

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jewcowboy,

So King etc are” proving guilt in the Press”. That’s as far as YOU know and Bookman too.
Has the FBI reported to you lately????
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Paul,

I am sorry about your pet. I had to say “Go ahead” to the vets for my Harley. She had been the cleveret and cutest kitty for seventeen years and now she was half paralyzed. There wasn’t much choice but that did not make it any easier. I know you miss your pet., your four legged friend.
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Taxpayer, Why don’t you go to church and find how just how wrong you are? It surely does take one who never goes to church to know all about it.

Gotta leave…

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JohnnyReb

Whats up? We bantered back and forth a week or so back.

Hope all is well with you and your family……..

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Cowboy:

Saudi Arabia is not ruled by an Ayatollah. It’s ruled by a king.

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josef, Bruin to 6pm appointment? job interview? too much snow
on the roof? out to pasture like wooten? nahhh

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@@

Yes S.A is ruled by a King but they allow the Mullahs, Clerics, Imams or whatever the correct term is to dictate much of the day to day live of the population as long as it doesn’t interfere too much with their oil industry…..

Many of the Kings family and associates adhere to Islamic Law while is S.A. to show a united front with the religious leaders, but own homes elsewhere in the world so they can get their secular groove on………

For interesting relationship the Kings family and associates have with the religious leaders who have the ‘ears’ of the lower classes……

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frog

I think it’s code word for the Missus Bruin calls…I hope so, anyway!

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josef, yep, that would do it..

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AmVet , I don’t remember your invitation. Dang!!! What IS a humanist meeting anyway? Kinda like riding the MARTA train?

Done that. Been there…

bye..

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They BOTH suck – greetings to you. All is well, and with you the same I hope. We are self employed around here. I try to run a food brokerage and my wife has a retail shop. It continues to be a busy time of year with taxes, inventory, etc. So, my goof-off time is limited. I just pop in and out with an occasional kind comment, but most often a dig at the honorable opposition.

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@Johnny

Doing well, thanks, …… I do contract and consulting work in Supply Chain and Inventory Mgmt…………. Get to work from home a good amount so it works out

I’m sure you do well already, but good luck and continued success to both your wife and yourself

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William Shatner and Joe Jackson said/sang it best…

I suppose they might’ve, although Pulp actually composed it.

(by the way, for the longest time I thought the line was “you’ll never watch your life slide out of you.” Still think that’s better.)

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It’s ironic that columns against hate seem to bring out the most of it, and from all directions. Think I’ll sit this one out.

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The hijacking of a faith/doctrine to serve extremist ideology is, from what I have seen, a universal tendency.

We tend to see that on display on this here blog from time to time. What you said is exactly what is happening. It’s now becoming a chess match of actions and reactions. If we don’t gain control over our actions, we could find ourselves in checkmate.

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Kinda like riding the MARTA train?

Touché and fabulously funny.

Humanism encompasses a variety of nontheistic views (atheism, agnosticism, rationalism, naturalism, secularism, and so forth)

http://www.americanhumanist.org

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Why not ask Putin what he truly thinks about muslims at this time?

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SoCo 6:23 I was speaking of the extremists.

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frog

Oh, I misinterpreted. My fault….

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Peter King is a racist redneck. His racist antics have a long history. Now we can add anti-semitism (anti Islam) to his reportoire. Peter King and his cohorts are a dying breed. His attempts to disunite America will backfire in his face.

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Funny on the “mishear”, stands. I love it when that happens. Out of view, out of you? Nice…

Hillbilly, something about discussing religion that seems to bring out the most powerful reactions. That’s how big a deal it (still) is to us, I guess.

Bruno!

I read some more in the Zen Mind/Beginner’s Mind this weekend. The passage I was reading was, at that exact time (and state of mind), perfect for me to grok it! I was fairly surprised. And joyous.

And I have only scratched the surface.

This seems apropos…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9eQ8_T1ytU

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Or a true Maimonidean!

For many folks, uncertainty is extremely uncomfortable, so they invent explanations to questions which are essentially unanswerable. I put this into a scientific rather than a philosophical context due to my training, though it ultimately is an epistemological consideration.

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Bruno

Interesting track. I’m not too gung ho on the finger snaps, but the lyrics were oddly tame for this generation. Sounds like that guy has listened to some of the older singers who were more suggestive in their lyrics as opposed to just getting downright explicit. I’d give it an 8 on a 10pt scale.

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I’d give it an 8 on a 10pt scale.

Cool. This guy is one of my clients and is trying to make in the music business. I like the sound of his recording, has somewhat of a Nelly feeling to it. I’ll tell him you like it.

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Jew Cowbody, no sky fairy does not exists. I have provided an argument though it may requiare a bit of work on your part. Therefore the burden of proof lies with you. Usually, the burden of proof does lie with atheists, as they assert the absurd notion of ’something from nothing’.

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Bruno

No prob. I kinda think the finger snap thing has been overdone, but that’s just me. He’s got a good voice though. He doesn’t sound timid or weak at any point through that entire track.

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SoCo

And fitna in a society such as ours where we all want to argue who is more oppressed, it finds fertile ground and we need to be aware of that…

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HEY Y’ALL!

What are our shot words for this evening’s address? (Did I miss this discussion? Sorry, I’ve been working.)

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My fondest hope is that Bruno’s reincarnation will result in womanhood and that she will then meet a man like Bruno.

Kharma’s a b*tch, baby.

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Somewhat still on the thread…the reason my Grandfather was so Maimondean in outlook and his first lesson in introducing me to that thought, was that he was the greatest spokesperson from that moment in time in Spain when Muslim, Christian and Jewish thinkers of all disciplines came together with the single goal of finding their commonalities…sadly, Christians and Muslims rejected him and he wasn’t always in favor with the Jewish inquistors…

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Aww, man. Are we still on religion? C’mon people. We’re humans. We’re temporary moving specs on the planet. Our little bitty minds are simply not great enough to comprehend the true nature of the Creator of the entire infinite universe. (Helllooooo?) Whoever or Whatever He is, He’s bigger than anything we can conceive in our tiny little fleshy earth brains. Men wrote those books to hornswaggle us out of our earnings and scare us into ceding to authority and conforming to the norms of whatever the current authority happens to be. Get over it. We’re specs.

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Okay, if we do a shot every time we hear “nu-ku-lar” we probably won’t wet our whistles. If we do one every time he says “together,” we’ll get alcohol poisoning.

Any ideas?

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this is a big world isn’t it? just don’t understand why this group can’t live here, and that group live over there, and so on and so on…same with democrats and republicans….if everyone is so opposite in their views, religion, etc… lets just all agree to live with those who we get along with…or would that be too boring?

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Catch y’all later. Got a little one to entertain.

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josef

I asked earlier if anyone knew the definition of and how many different jihads there were. Nobody answered. Kinda par for the course here. Catch ya later, bro.

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Damn! That just cracked me up. That’s just too much.

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Don’t take this the wrong way, please, but I have a problem with your choice of “invent explanations.”

My choice of wording reflects the fact that ALL human explanations are just that: human in origin. It kind of ties in with Jay’s New Year’s column which highlighted the difference between man-made measurements such as the inch or the pound vs. natural or “Godly” measurements involving repeating cycles of time. Jay’s column sturck a deep chord with me because that is ultimately why I left the world of Science and got involved with health care instead. healing is one of those “Godly” things which exists independently of our efforts to quantify it.

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Taxpayer…Jon is almost always on point for Fox faubles.

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Matti:

I wouldn’t buy his crap as a man, and I SURE don’t it as a woman. I hold myself in higher regard. Not sure what you’re going through.

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jo nix,

I was holding my friend when her heart stopped beating and the last breath left her disease- and chemo-battered body. Deep in a cold dark night, there was only silence, but I felt her presence there in the room with us, toward the ceiling. I felt her congnizance that had been shut off from us a few minutes before. I felt her love. Since you know so much, tell me, WHERE did she go?

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We’ll never know. At least, we’ll never know until we, too, stop breathing air into these bodies.

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For what it’s worth, given the choice of spending a night with josef or a night with @@, I’m going with josef even though I’m not gay. Of course, throw Matti into the mix and I’m:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGqPzrNypzw

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Bruno

I’m not at all sure Matti would go with that! We’d be fighting over the hair shirt!

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It’s been said before, but vile ugly men bombed our buildings and killed our citizens. Coddling makes us look even weaker.

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matti

I can’t speak to her experience, only mine. And, yes, that is much the case. Okay, the story and the human element…when I went into the ER at Unmentionable’s hospital, I got the red carpet treatment, or so I thought, due to who brought me in. I had no idea what was going on. There were all kinds of people doing all kinds of things. I recall quite well the feeling of absolute harmony with all that was, is (and no, not will be, but it was definitely a place I had no angst about going to). Call it the out of body experience, but the paddles were being applied and the doctor was “don’t go, dammit, come back…” I can recall “thinking” as I was watching from wherever it was I was, “well, honey, I don’t want to be any trouble. If it’ll make you happy…” And I did “come back.” Only later did I find out what the paddles meant and why she was “in such a state.”

Like I said, this is just my experience. In talking to others who have gone through it, a similar “experience” is at work.

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The desire to survive forever is a logical extension of
self preservation the only instinct we have. Survival of
the fittest is a statement of the obvious. Fear is the
only emotion. All the other labels are just degrees of it.
A tidy package.

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I agree Jack. Let’s stop coddling those like the killer of Dr. Tiller and his Christain supporters. Those are vile ugly people.

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I will agree that they are all human, but I would argue that the scientific and the spiritual exist in separate realms and the terminologies were use should reflect that separation…

Even though they use different standards of “proof”, I don’t separate the spiritual and the scientific, since they are both ways that our brains try to make sense of the world. The reality is that we only perceive an extremely small slice of the electromagnetic spectrum along with a small slice of the sound spectrum and a small piece of the chemical soup which surrounds us, yet our brains are able to assemble a coherent picture which is accurate enough to allow us to put a man on the moon. Yet through all of this, our understanding is strictly “human” since our human brains are the organ which is making sense of it all, a fact that seems to be lost on many a pontificator.

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I’m back …………. Oh, I hear the liberal moans ………. their not into free speech much.

In any case, I haven’t the time to catch up on all the posts but as far as I can tell no one answered my very easy question:

Multiple Choice Quiz:

Which of the following “religious” entities in the United States requires untold millions in taxpayer money and immense NSA, Military Intelligence, CIA, FBI (to name a few) assets to conduct investigations and physical surveillances of places of worship, community service establishments, places of education, etc. via undercover FBI agents, paid informants and sophisticated electronic means:

a) Roman Catholic Church
b) Methodist Church
c) Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)
d) Church of God
e) Southern Baptist Church
f) Judaism (all forms)
g) Lutheran Church
h) Presbyterian Church
i) Episcopal Church
j) Mennonnite Church
k) Church of the Brethren
l) Nazarene Church
m) 7th Day Adventist Church
n) Quakers
o) Church of Christ
p) Islam
q) All of the above

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Bruno

“I don’t separate the spiritual and the scientific…”

And I would argue that this failure to do so lies at the heart of your angst and that’s not meant to be snippy. You want rationality. It ain’t there, IMHO…

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jo nix,

Thanks for sharing that with me. I’m glad you came back! It’s nice to know that I might not be crazy. I looked up and for a moment, I just knew we were looking right at each other, and she was glad I’d come. I felt her a couple times after that, but not for awhile now.

Bruno makes good sense about the science thing. I fail to understand the war that religion wages on science. Did God create everything or didn’t He? If so, then He created science and understanding it is not a negation of God.

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You want rationality. It ain’t there, IMHO…

josef–You know me too well!! Yet, at the same time, I feel that it’s possible to characterize irrationality in rational terms, if that makes any sense.

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Scout,

Despite my loathing for your labels and venom, I would like to try to put your mind at ease. I’ve got a steady hand, I’m not afraid, and I aint never wearin no burkah, so when it’s time to mount the defense of this here land of SEC football and Wensdee nite nanner puddin’ at the church, I’m all in. Feel better?

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jo nix,

Negatory. Sorry.

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Scout–Put your mind at ease re: Matti. She may be a card-carrying liberal, but she isn’t going to let any man subjugate her, whether Muslim or Southern Baptist. You can count on that.

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matti

I’m glad to be able to share that with you…as you know, “down home” we have no problem with the spiritual world in our daily conduct of our lives…and, yes, I agree with you on G-d and science…I see no conflict between the two, they just each have their sphere…in our Western tradition, G-d gave to man the earthly and essentially said, “here ya go, Pombo, this is yours. Make of it what you will. I’ll be watching ‘from a distance.’”

AmVet

The Outline of History is it! I have several copies…one for marking up, one for just reading, and then the leather bound from Granddaddy’s library…

Frog
January 25th, 2011
7:48 pm
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What do you think the Islamic religion really wants?

An explantion for the meaning of it all and a guide for how to live a moral and just life?