In Congress, anti-Muslim bigotry gaining a strong foothold
According to U.S. Rep. Peter King, R-NY, more than 80 percent of the mosques in this country are headed by imams who espouse radical Islamic jihad.
Eighty percent. King has offered that estimate in the past, and did so again this week in a radio interview:
King did not claim to have a list of those subversive enemies of American freedom in his suit pocket, as Sen. Joe McCarthy did 60 years ago. But like McCarthy, King does have the chairmanship of a prominent congressional committee, in his case the House Homeland Security Committee. And next month, King’s committee is scheduled to hold public hearings into the alleged disloyalty of the Muslim-American community.
That ought to go so very well, don’t you think?
And then we’ve got U.S. Rep. Allen West, a newly elected Republican from Florida. In a recent interview with a cable TV program called “The Shalom Show,” West was asked a rather odd question about U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat and a Muslim, and he responded with an equally odd answer (The interchange begins at 1:47 in the video below):
Interviewer Richard Peritz: “Since you’re with a new crowd, people you haven’t really met before and will be very closely associated with in the future, including Keith Ellison, who supports Islam. How will you manage that, if I may ask? Because it’s not really easy to be that … polite, often, with individuals one totally disagrees with, which I believe may be the case.”
Rep. West: “I think it’s most important that I stand upon the principles that people elected me to go to Washington DC and represent them on Capitol Hill. So that when you run into someone that is counter or someone that really does represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established, you got to be able to defeat them intellectually and in debate and discourse.”
It really is astounding. Is it possible to be polite to a Muslim-American? Does Ellison, by the mere fact of being a Muslim, “represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established?”
Or is that all just vile, ugly bigotry spouted by men wearing nice suits?
– Jay Bookman
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
588 comments Add your comment
Big D
January 25th, 2011
4:47 pm
Jimmy…In case you have not noticed LHU has a mouth on both sides of his face and he hails from Scotland.
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
4:47 pm
@@,
I may be wrong on this, but aren’t the Saudi royal family adherents of the Wahhabi sect?
Dusty
January 25th, 2011
4:47 pm
Josef,
At 4:15 you mentioned the vitriol poured out by both sides. You did not mention the torch bearer who sets the fire going every morning. Vitriol gets more bloggers and Bookman knows what will get them going. He is not responsible for what the bloggers post but he is responsible for the bait.
@@ I like your research. As far as Bookman, somebody’s got to do it. He’s only out looking for fresh “meat” every day. Wonder if Wahhabism is taught outside of Saudi Arabia? Like Indonesia??
Bosch, have you ordered a case of those mj drinks from California? I hope not. Children pick up on what their parents approve very quickly. Oh well, just think. You. ,too, could be like getalife and live in the land of therapeutic marijuana. Wheee..
WHAT???? Kamchak, Amvet & Mary Elizabeth a threesome? I’ve heard that opposites attract but that grouping is just plain IMPOSSIBLE!!!
jm
January 25th, 2011
4:47 pm
You have to wonder why Obama hasn’t either come out for or against SACS putting APS on probation. As well as the court case between the members of the board. Obama, we’re waiting to hear what you have to say!!!
Kamchak
January 25th, 2011
4:48 pm
Bosch
The same pictures that were on her hockey trading cards, nothing risque.
Lord Help Us
January 25th, 2011
4:48 pm
‘he would not be getting any attention were he not.’
And you know this, how?
Jimmy62
January 25th, 2011
4:48 pm
Adam: If it’s true, then how can it be absurd? And are we no longer allowed to criticize anyone because some psycho might decide to kill the person we’re criticizing? If so, then you may want to delete a lot of your posts.
Going home, good bye, don’t expect me to reply.
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
4:49 pm
jm,
“Why hasn’t Obama called Arthur Blank to compliment him on a team that has largely stayed out of the headlines, absent the typical unethical behavior?”
Shh…you might jinx them.
@@
January 25th, 2011
4:50 pm
Adam:
80%….support/funding. Can you confirm or deny? Freedom Works points to the philosophy within the sect. Do you agree or disagree with their philosophy?
Big D
January 25th, 2011
4:50 pm
On the road again….had fun..
God Bless you all.
Paul
January 25th, 2011
4:51 pm
jewcowboy
“Earl Grey martini”
You yankin’ my chain?!!?
@@
For you, from earlier:
This shouldn’t take all that long to dispense with. The first part, anyhow. Rep King should call Sheik Kabbani to testify…. or…. he could just read into the record what Kabbani said, what King said formed the basis of his concern:
“Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani testified before a State Department Open Forum: “The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques, that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States – like churches they were established by different organizations and that is ok – but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology. Because they are very active they took over the mosques; and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the US. And there are more than 3000 mosques in the US. So it means that the methodology or ideology of extremist has been spread to 80% of the Muslim population, but not all of them agree with it.”
Then he can read into the record follow-up questions and comments which sought to clarify those remarks:
http://www.meforum.org/61/muhammad-hisham-kabbani-the-muslim-experience-in
“”Extremist Ideology”
MEQ: You spoke last year, at a forum sponsored by the U.S. Department of State, of a “threat that will grow” if Americans do not “quickly stop the kind of extremist ideology that is filtering in.”4 What is that threat?
Kabbani: This is a delicate point, so allow me to make a couple of introductory comments. First, we should remember that the problem of extremism is not confined to the Muslim community. Extremists come out of a variety of traditions and focus on a variety of issues – paranoia about the growth of the federal government and obsession with abortion being two well-known issues that have led individuals to the kind of extremism I am talking about, sometimes with violence resulting.
Second, I used the word extremist in an ideological sense. I did not intend to imply that much of the leadership has engaged in acts of violence, or could be described as terrorists. In Arabic, my native language, extremism and terrorism have very different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably.
MEQ: How do you define extremism?
Kabbani: Extremism is an unwillingness to accept any viewpoint but one’s own. It is un-Islamic. In Arabic, ghulu means ideas that deviate from the center. The Prophet Muhammad specifically stated, “Do not go to the extreme in your religion.” Extreme ideas are not violent in themselves but they do on occasion lead to violent acts. That is the context in which I used the word “extremism” to describe ideas currently expressed in Islamic centers across America.
Ideological extremism can result in an act of violence when an individual pursues his ideas to such an extreme that he thinks only his ideas are correct and must therefore be enforced on everyone else.
MEQ: Is there a specifically Islamic quality to this extremism?
Kabbani: No, such extremism is found in every religion and ideology. In fact, in Islam it is specifically stated that “There is no compulsion in religion.”
Of course, the majority of Muslims are not extremists. Like any other group in America, Muslims as a whole are a peaceful people simply pursuing their lives and do not constitute a threat to anyone. But Islamic doctrine can be perverted by ideologues to justify harming others. The threat represented by those willing to use violence to pursue their goals—to terrorize people by throwing bombs and killing innocents—is a danger to all peace-loving people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. Such acts, I should add, are expressly forbidden in Islam.
MEQ: What should Americans do to protect themselves from this threat?
Kabbani: The responsibility is on the American Muslim community to reject extremism and to condemn any act of violence. We must keep to a moderate line, as Prophet Muhammad said, “We are a moderate nation.”
Then Rep King might learn to instruct his staff on how to conduct research and he may want to think about stripping away his cultural biases when assessing remarks.
.
pat
January 25th, 2011
4:51 pm
That’s ok, Jew Cowboy, I think athiests are the dumbest of all. They believe in randomness and that things come from nothing, yet there is no a single shred of evidence, not a citilla, not even a good lie to assert such a claim.
What you can prove something from nothing, then I let you continue with your ignorant ’sky fairy’ B.S.
I tell you, for not being a religion and having a single ideoligical book, you lot say all the same thing. ‘Sky fairy’, ‘flying spaghetti monster’, etc.
You mock with out fact or logic. I think that’s petty and idiotic.
jm
January 25th, 2011
4:51 pm
jewcowboy – sorry. But inquiring minds want to know. What does Obama think?
@@
January 25th, 2011
4:51 pm
Cowboy:
Yes they are, and I’m no big fan. As it stands, our relationship is forced and will be for some time to come.
Lord Help Us
January 25th, 2011
4:51 pm
‘had fun..’
My poor goat…
Doggone/GA
January 25th, 2011
4:52 pm
“Wasn’t this country founded to escape ‘religious prosecution’ by England”
No, it wasn’t. If you are thinking of the Pilgrims they came here because they could not impose THEIR form of religious persecution on England.
But the ORIGINAL settlements here were economic – check out why France and Spain, in particular, settled people here. But even Jamestown, which was English, was an economic community – not a religious one.
Kamchak
January 25th, 2011
4:53 pm
‘had fun..’
My poor goat…
I thought it was My Pet Goat.
jm
January 25th, 2011
4:54 pm
pat – devil’s advocate here. please provide your evidence of a god…. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just holding you to the same standard you just espoused.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
4:55 pm
pat
You must have missed mine and jewcowboy’s exchange on Sk- F-iry!
Del
January 25th, 2011
4:57 pm
The Pilgrims came here because they could not impose their form of religious persecution on England.
Oh, the efforts to rewrite history.
USMC dawg
January 25th, 2011
4:58 pm
“USMC – he’s trying to avoid the Republican cuts. I think a compromise of “cut $30B’s and freeze” would be an a-ok compromise.”
Yeah, jm, this is mere window dressing for Obama’s re-election campaign kickoff.
My question is with all of the propaganda that the White House is spouting about Obama being pro-business and pro-spending cuts……. Where has he been for the last two years when we needed a leader in the White House? His actions spoke said otherwise.
He pushed the Socialist agenda/ Obamacare and spent like a drunken sailor.
NOW he is dressing it up for his re-election campaign in 2012.
pat
January 25th, 2011
4:58 pm
Jay fails here on three points. He can’t and does not prove that 80% of mosques have not been infected with radicalism. The second gentleman, made no comment wat so ever regarding islam or muslims at all, and on loose association here by two people, he asserts that anti-muslim bigotry is gaining a ‘foot hold’ in congress. 1-2-3 strikes your out.
Can you prove the claim that 80% of mosques have not been infiltrated? Because you did not. And I don’t see where West said anything anti-muslim. The muslim rep in question is not only a muslim, but a democrat. What evidence do you have that he was refering to the man’s faith? None? Ok, case closed.
And you accuse others of inciting and inflamatory rhetoric…Pot, meet Kettle.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
4:59 pm
The Carolina Charter had as Artcle 14 “equal rights of citizenship for Jews, Heathens, and Dissenters.” The first place in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic cultural sphere that such was made fundamental law. Thus began the American tradition of no religious test for citizenship…
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
4:59 pm
pat,
“They believe in randomness and that things come from nothing, yet there is no a single shred of evidence, not a citilla, not even a good lie to assert such a claim.”
Kindly provide proof that your Spéir Faerie exists in scientifically supportable terms.
“What you can prove something from nothing, then I let you continue with your ignorant ’sky fairy’ B.S”
Umm…you have no say so over what I can say.
“You mock with out fact or logic. I think that’s petty and idiotic.”
Pot meet kettle…
AmVet
January 25th, 2011
5:00 pm
jcb, NOW you gone and done it! And without a citilla of evidence.
Abrazos, notwithstanding the overall accuracy of your post, the reference to the cons as a bunch of Keystone Cops really did make me chuckle.
In this episode, Boner, McConnell, Cantor, McCarthy (Kevin, not Joe, I think.) and Tom Price go for a ride. But alas, they “run into Sarah”, and oops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZBdxvego1E
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2011
5:00 pm
@@,
Your 4:44 is the best post of the day. Looks like Bookman should do his homework.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:01 pm
jm
Evidence there is a G-d? The same evidence that there isn’t. Can’t either “side” prove its point. Personally, I’m an optimist. Afforded the option I choose to believe.
ATF
January 25th, 2011
5:01 pm
Well, Georgia’s own Paul Broun serves on the Homeland Security Committee. In fact, he is vice-chair of the Counterterrorism and Intelligence SubCommittee. He is probably good at it. Broun is the one who sponsored that legislation that would give the legal rights of a person to a fertilized egg from the moment a sperm penetrates the cell membrane. Now that is counterterrorism of the highest order against those Choicers! I am sure he will be equally intelligent about the Intelligence side of the committee work.
so Broun and King are quite a pair. Will we have another McCarthy moment?
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:02 pm
USMC 4:58 – I agree. His view on where this country should go, and that of the electorate, are not on the same wavelength. So to speak.
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:02 pm
Paul,
“You yankin’ my chain?!!?”
There are couple of recipes out there (some with egg whites..ick) but mine is pretty simple.
Gin, simple syrup, concentrated brewed Earl Grey, ice…shake well and garnish with a lemon twist. Great for summer.
Paul
January 25th, 2011
5:02 pm
pat
You may want to read the post at 4:51 -
Paul
January 25th, 2011
5:04 pm
jewcowboy
Now that sounds good.
Anything with gin sounds good….
Dusty
January 25th, 2011
5:04 pm
Now Doggone dun messed up my Thanksgiving picture. There’s the big turkey, the pilgrims and Squanto all saying the blessing and having a good time together. Now she’s going to tell me they did not even have cornbread dressing and cranberry sauce!! They were having THANKSgiving, weren’t they? To whom were they giving thanks???? Besides Squanto (the turkey giver ), that is….
Doggone/GA
January 25th, 2011
5:05 pm
“Oh, the efforts to rewrite history.”
yep, in just about every history book in every school in the USA. If you want to know more, check out THEIR laws imposed on their communities here. They didn’t invent them for just the people who emigrated to this continent.
”
Ostensibly to escape religious persecution in England. Interestingly, many of the pilgrim communities, most of them Protestant Christians, went on to persecute other religious communities, such as Catholics. ”
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_Pilgrims_come_to_America#ixzz1C5TLqT4T
pat
January 25th, 2011
5:06 pm
jm, I can do it. But the arguments and argument style lends itslef to long prose. This is not the forum it takes to long establish and to refute counter arguements.
It’s called cosmology, not to be confused with the theorhetical quantum mechanic’s meaning. It’s a philisophical argument style, that always, with out fail leads to the same conclusion, no matter where it starts. It apply both to the material and the metaphyscial.
I invite to to google it if you are really curious. There are arguements and counter arguments everywhere. This has never been refuted in over 2000 years ever since Aristotle postulated the first form of the arguement.
Stay away from the Kalam Cosmological Argument. That is a poorly concieved version.
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:06 pm
The internet, great invention. Electronic stock trading, great idea.
But the rest of Wall Street must be one of the dumber inventions of all time…. aside from some M&A advisory work…. their stock analysts in particular are beyond stupid. The rating agencies (off wall st.) also incredibly dumb. The quants – too smart to know they’re dumb. And the securitization junkies belong in a back alley.
AmVet
January 25th, 2011
5:09 pm
jo and others, not that anybody gives a flying ____, but to me, the one thing that terrifies people the most, seems the most plausible.
Oblivion.
Nothingness.
Sorry to disappoint (Linda can say a “prayer” for me) but I just can’t swallow all the claptrap about contrived saviors and devils, heavens and hells, and angry, vengeful gods.
Perhaps if I lived 500 years ago…
pat
January 25th, 2011
5:10 pm
Jewcowboy, see my 5:06, I adressed you’re ‘pot meet kettle’ refutation. You should look it up too. If you can refute it, I personally will write the Nobel folks for you…
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:11 pm
@@,
“Yes they are, and I’m no big fan.”
I’m trying to follow the logic of this…you are saying the reason King said that more than 80 percent of the mosques in this country are headed by imams who espouse radical Islamic jihad is because they are funded by the Wahhabi sect. The Saudi royal family who rules Saudi Arabia are adherents of the Wahhabi sect. Which probably means the mosques are funded by the Saudi royal family.
Does that mean the Crillon Hotel in Paris is headed by imams who espouse radical Islamic jihad? Does that also mean the News Corp. is headed by imams who espouse radical Islamic jihad?
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2011
5:12 pm
One of West’s better quotes was when some interviewer asked him if he had it to do over again, would he have discharged his weapon while interrogating a prisoner. His response, ” I would carry a gasoline can through hell if it would save one of my men”. All of you armchair liberal warriors out there listen up. If you haven’t served, that’s the kind of commander you want, plain and simple. He would sure be my first choice.
Jay
January 25th, 2011
5:12 pm
To those demanding evidence that 80 percent of US mosques aren’t radical jihadist, that’s not how things work in this country. In this country, when government figures make allegations against individuals, the burden of proof lies with government and the individuals in question are presumed innocent.
If you object to that system, you should probably try to change it. But until then, that’s how it works.
Lord Help Us
January 25th, 2011
5:13 pm
‘I thought it was My Pet Goat.’
Different turdblossom…
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:14 pm
AmVet,
“And without a citilla of evidence.”
How about a chinchilla?
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:16 pm
pat,
“If you can refute it, I personally will write the Nobel folks for you…”
Just as soon as you provide verifiable scientific proof your Spéir Faerie exists…
Jay
January 25th, 2011
5:16 pm
And kayaker, any recounting of that incident should also include the facts that none of the “information” obtained from the prisoner in question ever panned out, and a search of the prisoner’s home turned up nothing. He may well have been an innocent man.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:16 pm
AmVet
Oblivion and its contemplation lies at the base of it all, yea or nay. But we don’t KNOW that either! I say that it is all a search for order and meaning to the universe and we refuse to believe there is none…be it scientific or theological..
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:17 pm
AmVet – what do you remember before being born? Not a mucho…. nothingness probably not too painful.
Non-existence and life are some pretty odd conundrums….
People could end up living for a long time depending on medical advances, and then who knows how long before the next Bill Gates will figure out how to upload your mind onto some hardware. And then, if you’re a computer, do you still exist and what are you?
One day our sun will blow up and the remaining particles from our being, which will have been smothered all over earth by then, will be cast into vast unknown…. and a zillion years from now we’ll probably be all snuggled up in a black hole or cooking on a star. Pretty far out when you think about it.
Who the hell knows what exists? Not I.
Ok, enough discussion of the waaaaaaaaaaaaay far out nutty crap.
I want to know when Obama is going to comment on my new Hemlock tree in my back yard. Or at least give me an opinion on his favorite Atlanta restaurant. For pete’s sake.
Kamchak
January 25th, 2011
5:18 pm
Different turdblossom…
Oh well, if you’ve smelled one, you’ve smelled them all….
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:18 pm
Paul,
“Anything with gin sounds good….”
Just had a Hendricks over ice with a slice of cucumber at the Park 75 Lounge the other day. I have a new favorite.
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:18 pm
AmVet – Heaven is a sailboat, some rum, and a few mixers. And a fishing pole.
Dusty
January 25th, 2011
5:20 pm
Well, Amvet,
I am sorry for you and I know that does not interest you in the least. Faith is the one thing that gets beyond the pale of oblivion. You haven’t found it and your usual unhappiness reveals that.
I won’t invite you to anything anywhere. You would act insulted. But I do hope you will find whatever it is your heart is missing.
Paul
January 25th, 2011
5:23 pm
jewcowboy
Hendricks is different, definitely good.
I tried a new tonic water a while back – by Stirrings. About 8 bucks for a four-pack, but it’s light, clear and wonderful. ‘Bout the closest I can come with the other two major brands is to squeeze a bit of lemon in.
USMC dawg
January 25th, 2011
5:24 pm
“AmVet – Heaven is a sailboat, some rum, and a few mixers. And a fishing pole.”
JM, You forgot the woman and cigars…
Paul
January 25th, 2011
5:25 pm
jewcowboy
Try Citadelle gin sometime and let me know what you think. From France. And if the bartender says “we serve only Freedom Martinis here” just leave……
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:26 pm
Items I expect the President to opine on:
1. What to spend money on.
2. What not to spend money on.
3. How to get said money.
4. How much money to spend in total and why.
5. What the hell is going on with the rest of the crazy world.
6. How’s the deficit reduction thingy coming?
Things that I really could care less to hear, and would prefer the leader of my country to ignore as distractions:
1. Whatever some thug football player is up to.
2. The legal status of any lawsuits your buddies are engaged in.
3. What you think about the arrest of any of your friends.
4. Damn near anything else that would generally qualify as a purely local / state issue.
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2011
5:26 pm
Off topic but an interesting sidelight to Hu’s state dinner.
Rush had an interesting story today about the entertainment following the state dinner. It seems that a Chinese pianist by the name of Lang Lang played a cherished Chi Com melody for all assembled which is a classic in China and revered by all of it’s citizens. It was the main musical background for a movie that depicted the Chinese efforts in the North Korea…. a sort of Chinese Gone with the Wind. During the movie, with the music playing in the background, the narrator in the movie calls American soldiers, “jackels” and revels in how many were killed by the Chinese. Hu, not known for his emotion, rose and hugged Lang Lang warmly following the piece. That all happened while Mr. and Mrs. Bozo were munching on their chocolate mousse and applauding loudly to the latest slap in the face by the Chinese. First the Biden incident, now this. And don’t tell me it wasn’t on purpose. They are getting more and more bold and the more money we borrow from them, the worse it gets. Wake up Bozo!!!!
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:27 pm
Dusty,
“Faith is the one thing that gets beyond the pale of oblivion.”
To each their own…faith helps YOU get beyond the pale of oblivion. Some simply accept oblivion as neither negative nor positive, simply inevitable, and live their life accordingly.
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:29 pm
USMC – “Woman and cigars”. Indeed I did. Not a smoker myself, but I do like cigars.
Some might take issue with the first item. For a variety of reasons. But I did include that in my provisioning list, sort of an assumption, really….
USMC dawg
January 25th, 2011
5:29 pm
IHOP much?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/cops-probe-ihop-melee-caught-tape
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:30 pm
Paul,
French gin…interesting. I’ll have to check it out. There is a liquor store near my house that seems to have everything…they have 3 brands of bacon infused vodka.
“And if the bartender says “we serve only Freedom Martinis here” just leave……”
Sheesh…I can’t even fathom a place like that…
Kamchak
January 25th, 2011
5:30 pm
Off topic but an interesting sidelight to Hu’s state dinner.
You’re about 24 hrs late with that particular poutrage. It was debunked yesterday.
Dusty
January 25th, 2011
5:30 pm
I see that Jay has gone back to “innocent until proven guilty”. I do believe that Homeland Defense & King are trying to prove that their suspicions are correct. That is known as an investigation. Without investigating you cannot prove guilt or innocence.
Jay wants us to believe that such an investigation is bigotry. If that is true, everyone in the Justice system is a bigot..
Doggone/GA
January 25th, 2011
5:30 pm
“it was the main musical background for a movie that depicted the Chinese efforts in the North Korea…. ”
Man oh man, are you WAY, WAY behind on that one. We hashed that one all out yesterday. Try to keep up will you?
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:31 pm
“Rush had an interesting story today …”
Why do I doubt that?
USMC dawg
January 25th, 2011
5:31 pm
“Some might take issue with the first item.” or man, what ever “floats” your boat.
@@
January 25th, 2011
5:31 pm
Let me preface this by saying….I do not believe Keith Ellison to be a radical extremist. He grew up Catholic fercryinoutloud.
Instead of focusing on Republicans only, jay should question whether Chuck Schumer or Dick Durbin are equally as bigoted ’cause they alleged CAIR’s “ties to terrorism” AND “its association with groups that are suspect”.
CAIR contributed to Ellison’s campaign. Do they think Ellison, by extension, is tied to terrorism….is suspect?
You really do go out of your way, jay!
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:32 pm
kayaker – I’m sure just a gesture of good will. or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8jAd84VyQ
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:32 pm
“I do believe that Homeland Defense & King are trying to prove that their suspicions are correct.”
Funny how they are doing that in the press…
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:33 pm
USMC – my wife would kill me if I took off in a boat without her….. especially if it had rum. She likes seafood too…..
Paul
January 25th, 2011
5:34 pm
jewcowboy
I lost a devoted pet of 15 years this morning. Gin and a toast sounds appropriate. Have to make a run to the store. Even all this wasn’t distracting enough. Off for the evening.
Thanks -
Doggone/GA
January 25th, 2011
5:36 pm
“I do believe that Homeland Defense & King are trying to prove that their suspicions are correct.”
Are you actually saying they are looking for evidence THEY are corret, not evidence that proves the FACTS – whichever way that evidence leads?
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2011
5:37 pm
The compassionate conservative bloggers here must really lead sad and miserable existences. They seem to be mad about everything and wish to blame everyone else for whatever it is that they stay mad about all the time. They are such sad people. I think their churches are letting them down by not giving them the comfort that they seek or something so they must feel a need to blame others for their emptiness.
@@
January 25th, 2011
5:37 pm
Paul:
Sorry about your pet.
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:37 pm
Paul – huge bummer dude. I think its cheaper by the handle.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:38 pm
jewcowboy
And how do you KNOW oblivion is inevitable…you don’t and not any more than those who claim it isn’t can KNOW…personally, I think those out to make it certain that oblivion is the finis are the ones who are TRULY afraid of judgment day!
“…I can swear there ain’t no heaven, and I pray there ain’t no hell…” Laura Nyro
Dusty
January 25th, 2011
5:41 pm
jewcowboy,
So your faith is proving the absence of it. That IS truly oblivion, one that I would not enjoy. But let us not argue about religion. How about…. how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
While you count them, I’ll be cooking up some chili. Ahhh….chili…the coup de grace of cold weather… It never fails..
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:43 pm
Paul,
Condolences…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/25/poll-pet-or-lover-animals_n_813563.html
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:44 pm
Congress really is about as mature as a bunch of kindergardeners. That might be generous. His whole political seating coupling thing borders on ridiculous.
A decent gesture gone absurd. As always. States rights… please.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:44 pm
JAY
Hezbollah-Lebanon-Syria? No, not poking the Bruin, but I am really interested in hearing your take on it…
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:45 pm
Dusty,
“I’ll be cooking up some chili. ”
Making some tomato bisque myself…as I said…to each their own
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:45 pm
jewcowboy 5:43 / USMC – have to add my dog to my provisions list. the crazy mutt. good thing I’ll have a boat big enough where I won’t have to choose between my dog and my wife.
Kamchak
January 25th, 2011
5:46 pm
“…I can swear there ain’t no heaven, and I pray there ain’t no hell…” Laura Nyro
I did not know she wrote that song. Thanks
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:46 pm
jm
You leave my kindergartners out of this! They’re much more mature and to compare them to this lot is, well, disrespectful….
Jay
January 25th, 2011
5:47 pm
Ask me again later, Josef. Headed out for app’t.
Old Retired English Professor
January 25th, 2011
5:48 pm
as I said…to each their own
. . . to each his/her own, josef. Each is singular.
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:48 pm
josef nix
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:49 pm
josef nix,
“And how do you KNOW oblivion is inevitable…you don’t and not any more than those who claim it isn’t can KNOW…”
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” ~ Carl Sagan
“I think those out to make it certain that oblivion is the finis are the ones who are TRULY afraid of judgment day!”
“The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.” ~ Carl Sagan
@@
January 25th, 2011
5:50 pm
Cowboy:
In response to your post regarding the Saudi royals. Business is business…religious beliefs are religious beliefs. I wouldn’t even put forth the argument that all within Wahhabism hold to the edicts put forth, but the very fact that they exist are reason to be cautious. King seeks to exercise that caution in the interest of all who reside within the U.S.
I don’t see anything wrong with that. That’s what he was elected to do. Whether or not someone feelings get hurt is their problem, not his.
It’s all so silly.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:50 pm
cappolini…
K’chak
Bad visual but good vocal rendention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXdnxYFJZg&feature=related
JohnnyReb
January 25th, 2011
5:51 pm
Paul, my condolences on loss of your pet. I have noticed in this mix of opinion over the months that if there is one thing most always agreed, it is love of pets. We have cats, but love all animals. God bless children and the animals.
Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)
January 25th, 2011
5:51 pm
I take it y’all are still hammering away at Islam and Muslims in general?
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:51 pm
Sidebar – just saw some geese fly over. They know spring is on its way…. though it don’t feel like it yet.
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:52 pm
“. . . to each his/her own, josef.”
I know we are the only two ‘mo’s on here most of the time, but are we really that interchangeable?
jm
January 25th, 2011
5:53 pm
jonix 5:44 – had a conversation with a certain PAC person about this issue. You can probably put another Israeli war on the clock in 90 to 180 days….
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:53 pm
jewcowboy
And THAT view of G-d, I would posit, is a highly limited one lacking in imagination and wonder…and I do admire Sagan…
OREP
Yep. One that grates on me, and I fall heir to it constantly!
JAY
Will do…
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2011
5:54 pm
@@,
“Business is business…religious beliefs are religious beliefs.”
Not in a theocratic state.
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:55 pm
jewcowboy
@ 5:52
You’ll note I accepted that I had done it! Ain’t guilt grand?
jm
That’s what I’m thinking.
They BOTH suck
January 25th, 2011
5:57 pm
@ @@
I could careless if there is an House investigation, however if King feels that his 80% figure and whatever other accusations he has put forth are true, I would hope that the CIA, FBI and local authorities are already doing their homework……..
Both Parties love to grandstand when it comes to these type panels and investigations……… Hopefully something comes out of it besides pundit hyperbole and a bunch of name calling and unfounded innuendo……… as is the result many times
josef nix
January 25th, 2011
5:57 pm
jewcowboy
Are we MOTmos?
Dusty
January 25th, 2011
5:58 pm
jewcowboy,
So King etc are” proving guilt in the Press”. That’s as far as YOU know and Bookman too.
Has the FBI reported to you lately????
——————————
Paul,
I am sorry about your pet. I had to say “Go ahead” to the vets for my Harley. She had been the cleveret and cutest kitty for seventeen years and now she was half paralyzed. There wasn’t much choice but that did not make it any easier. I know you miss your pet., your four legged friend.
—————————–
Taxpayer, Why don’t you go to church and find how just how wrong you are? It surely does take one who never goes to church to know all about it.
Gotta leave…