Government never created a single solitary job … except

Government can’t create jobs. Government never created a single job.

Never did, never can, never will.

Isn’t it odd, though, that you don’t hear that mantra when the subject is, say, building a publicly financed football stadium, or a highly subsidized nuclear power plant or auto plant. All of a sudden we’re swamped with data about the thousands of jobs that would be created if government would just commit taxpayers’ money to the project.

But still, government doesn’t create jobs.

And even though that’s true, and even though Georgia politicians have pledged their total devotion to that concept, they’re also pleading with the Obama administration to ante up hundreds of millions of dollars to dredge the Savannah River to make it accessible to deep-draft cargo ships.

Because that would, you know, create a lot of jobs.

Of course, it’s not like there is any history of that kind of thing around here. It’s not as if Atlanta wouldn’t exist in the first place if the Georgia Legislature, way back in 1836, hadn’t financed construction of the Western and Atlantic Railroad. And it’s not like we depend on water from Lake Lanier — the Lake Lanier financed by federal taxpayers — in order to flush our toilets and sate our thirst and grow our economy. We could support a metro area of more than three million people just fine without it, right?

Oh, and despite what all the experts might say, the City of Atlanta didn’t create jobs when it risked millions, then hundreds of millions and eventually billions of dollars investing in Hartsfield/Jackson International Airport, turning it into the busiest airport in the world and the single biggest jobs generator in the Southeast. Private enterprise could have built an airport that large and efficient, just as it did in … well, somewhere.

Private enterprise also could have built the aqueducts that created Los Angeles, as well as Hoover Dam and Grand Coulee Dam and all the other hydroelectric dams that helped create the modern, utterly self-sufficient American West. It could have, except that, well, it just didn’t.

Other than that, government investment never created a single job.

Well, let me take that back. There were all those jobs created when the government subsidized construction of the railroads back in the 19th century. And when tax dollars built the interstate highway system in the 20th century. And then there are all the jobs created over the decades by all those kids educated in that important American innovation, the public school.

Of course, that’s not the cool thing to call them anymore. Nowadays, they’re “government schools.” And we all know that investment in government schools never created a single job either.

From what I hear, though, the Kenyan Marxist is going to tell us something different in his State of the Union address tonight. He’s going to try to convince us that government investments are necessary to move this country forward and compete with nations such as China. That ought to be fun. We can all sit at home and yell “You lie!” at the TV set, because we all know better.

Anyway, I’ll be live-blogging the speech here on the Internet.

You know, the Internet that was invented largely by government scientists. But other than Google or Yahoo or Facebook or Ebay or little companies like those, that government investment never helped to create a single job either.

– Jay Bookman

496 comments Add your comment

cmac

January 25th, 2011
7:35 am

I thought the internet was invented by the crack pot al gore? Didn’t know he was a government scientist! Interesting.

cmac

January 25th, 2011
7:39 am

Your “government investments” are nothing more than spending & tax increases.

To compare the term “government investments” to real life, ask your spouse if you can go “invest” in a new 60″ flat screen for the living room. HA! HA! …. not an investment …. it’s a spending increase!

Normal

January 25th, 2011
7:42 am

I truly hope that President Obama is going to talk about starting work on our old tires infrastructure.
and, maybe talk about upgrading oue passenger rail system too. The Government could make a few jobs there.

Mick

January 25th, 2011
7:44 am

Thirty years after “government is not the solution, government is the problem”, was taken to heart, look at the shape this country is in. Even though I liked reagan, he flung open the door of this new type of ideology about taxation. We’ve been cutting for three decades and what do we have to show for it? Government needs to get us a first class rail system whereby those who are sick of flying can choose to enjoy a bullet train that just takes a few more hours.

Normal

January 25th, 2011
7:45 am

Why is it that somebody will always bring up Gore and the Internet when talking about the government producing jobs. What on earth does that have to do with putting people to work now?

Peadawg

January 25th, 2011
7:50 am

Normal and Mick, without saying raise taxes(think cutting somewhere else), how are we going to afford a rail system?

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
7:51 am

“I thought the internet was invented by the crack pot al gore?”

You thought wrong, but we’re not a bit surprised at that.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
7:53 am

“how are we going to afford a rail system?”

All investments are expenses until they start paying back.

Bob

January 25th, 2011
7:56 am

I agree Jay, I have never heard of people complaining when jobs are created building nuke plants. So since they don’t complain, let’s build some.

Tommy Maddox

January 25th, 2011
7:57 am

Investments = deficit spending.

Another stadium?

Bob

January 25th, 2011
7:57 am

Doggone, what happens when they never start paying back, like Amtrak. Are they still investments ?

Normal

January 25th, 2011
7:58 am

If taxes need to be raised to make jobs, then sacrifice a little for the country and its people.

Another way might be to sell government transportation bonds with the money gained to be used solely for transportation/rail.

But a dollar rail tax added to personal income tax wouldn’t hurt anyone either.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
7:58 am

Your “government investments” are nothing more than spending & tax increases.

I see somebody drank kool aid for breakfast. I thought you were not supposed to drink that stuff before noon.

Jay’s right though. The government has never created a job until people got angry when the number of F-22’s was cut back. That meant that, unless a new project came about, there would be people in Marietta losing a job in the near future. Sometimes we can’t see the forest because all of the trees that are in the way, and sometimes we simply just have to open our eyes. If this country didn’t need government investment to move things along so much, there would be many corporations planting investment seed money right now, especially since they have more cash on hand than the government right now.

stands for decibels

January 25th, 2011
7:59 am

the Kenyan Marxist is going to tell us something different in his State of the Union address tonight.

why Jay. How very shrill of you.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
8:02 am

dB

I’ve always thought that he was a Keneysian, Kenyan colonial, anti-American Marxist myself. Then again, I get confused by the 3rd or 4th adjective. :)

Peadawg

January 25th, 2011
8:03 am

If spending cuts in defense, Medicare (Part D), food stamps, Medicaid need to be made, then sacrifice a little for the country and its people.

Fixed your typo, Normal.

jt

January 25th, 2011
8:04 am

If I seized a billion dollars, I could put someone to work too. Doesn’t make it right.

Keynes set out to divide the world into two broad class of people: stupid consumers whose behavior is determined by external force, and savers who are a drag on economic growth. The job of government policy is to goad the first group into a different set of behaviors and pretty much destroy the second group. Everything else in the Keynesian system follows from those two general propositions. This accounts for his hatred of the gold standard, of traditional capitalism, and of the price system that functions as a signaling mechanism for the production and allocation of resources. He joined the New York Times in praising the central planning of Mussolini.

Can’t wait for some Obamalinni ideas tonight. Making trains run on time is so 40’s. Obamalinni will just make trains.

Mick

January 25th, 2011
8:04 am

tax cuts = service cuts

peadawg

About bullet trains – “if you build it, they will come”.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
8:05 am

“what happens when they never start paying back, like Amtrak. Are they still investments ?”

You obviously did NOT read my whole statement, the answer is there already: all investments are EXPENSES *UNTIL* THEY START PAYING BACK.

Can you find the answer?

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
8:07 am

JB,

I truly hope you’re not confusing infrastructure (e.g., roads, bridges, airports, highways, ports, etc.) and other legitimate roles for government such as public safety (e.g., police, fire, military) and schools that create the conditions required for commerce with actual jobs creation.

Barack Obama already has this problem. Et tu Jay?

Call it like it is

January 25th, 2011
8:07 am

No need for the live blog Jay, I’m sure you already have tommorows blog ready. Obama was great, right bad, they didnt clap, they didnt get up, yada yada yada…..

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
8:09 am

“create the conditions required for commerce with actual jobs creation.”

A job is a job

detritusUSA

January 25th, 2011
8:09 am

Government can afford to create jobs without a tax increase! Just eliminate two costly, unnecessary wars and use that money to help the American people get to work.

MPercy

January 25th, 2011
8:10 am

“But a dollar rail tax added to personal income tax wouldn’t hurt anyone either.”

And wouldn’t fund squat. There’a only about 140M tax-filing households, of which some 40% pay 0 or less in income taxes. So adding $1 for rail funding would raise…$140M, or more likely only $100M. That’ll be a heck of a train…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 25th, 2011
8:10 am

Well, there’s a few good things guvmint can do besides get out of the way. Like that GA Power plant we’re paying for with our power bill. Me and the missus plan to drive down there and take a look-see one day. Then we can set back and say we own a piece of it. I guess they’re kind of late getting our stocks mailed out.

Mostly I’ll be happy when they start bullying laying off the guvmint workers. That’s the best thing guvmint can do. We need to starve it till it shrinks down to the size where we can drown it in the kitchen sink. And cut out all this Social Security and Medicaid and welfare.

Just keep the guvmint’s hands off of my Medicare, is all I ask. Have a good day everybody.

stands for decibels

January 25th, 2011
8:10 am

I’ve always thought that he was a Keneysian

That’s new to me. Although it looks like a lovely public course upon which to while away four or five hours, seems a long way to go, from DC.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
8:11 am

PBfA

Does the government not create jobs when it does it’s “legitimate” roles? Also, if it is a legitimate role for government to provide schools, why are people wanting to take that role, in the form of vouchers, and try to pawn it off on the private sector at cost to the taxpayer?

DannyX

January 25th, 2011
8:11 am

We are building some nuke plants.

If Obama and the Democrats had been the ones that came up with the finance plan for the new plant Republicans would be calling for Obama’s impeachment. They would have gone completely wacko.

Georgia Power residential customers are putting up the money, not the investors. Georgia produces a lot of socialist jobs, thanks to our socialist Georgia government, and especially metro Atlanta residents.

carlosgvv

January 25th, 2011
8:13 am

I would think our Government’s job is to strike a fair balance with business between strict Socialism and laissez faire. Our Country is so diverse in it’s beliefs, however, that it is next to impossible to get a consenus as to what government’s role with business should be. We do not want to be Marxist nor do we want to go back to the brutal Capitalism of the late 1800’s. So, we must all compromise and get some form of centerist government involvement is business and jobs.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
8:15 am

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
8:15 am

Doggone @ 8:09 You said a job is a job.

Give me your credit card and I can create as many jobs as you want. The good times will roll until your credit is ruined.

I hope you would see the folly in that.

TaxPayer

January 25th, 2011
8:15 am

To see the Lil Republican’s comments this morning, I cannot help but wonder if I missed another election where they lost. It is as though the Republicans are upset about our recovering economy and such.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
8:18 am

“Give me your credit card and I can create as many jobs as you want”

Bad assumption, I don’t have any credit cards

JohnnyReb

January 25th, 2011
8:21 am

Don’t worry folks; tonight Obama will announce he is making jobs his top priority. Or, was that what he said last year?

And, don’t be confused when he states “investment” in America, that’s just new speak for more spending of money we don’t have.

Bill Orvis White

January 25th, 2011
8:22 am

The era of Big Gov’t needs to be over, but you won’t hear that in Hussein Obama’s “speech” tonight or from any other Socialist-Democrat “serving” in any of these state Houses or in Congress. Everything needs to be privatized except for key functions of a bare bones government. The Savannah Port is necessary for commerce. Border patrols are necessary to keep illegals out. The Coast Guard keeps drug runners out. The Army, Navy, Air Force Marines are there to protect us from evildoers. Liberal Jay, Bawney Frank, Nanny Pelosi and many secular progressives keep up this argument that there’s hypocrisy going on with necessary projects like the port yet there’s no money for school lunches. Try hard as they might, but when the wash is done, we all find out that the Republicans are the grown-ups making the common sense decisions while the Socialist-Democrat party cries and whines that there’s bogus climate change, no money for unnecessary social programs and the poor are getting poorer. I remember Neal Boortz said that he saw an unemployment line with a bunch of losers with fancy cell phones and big screen TVs. That’s most of the unemployed here in America: lazy folk who spent money on things that they shouldn’t have and we the taxpayer are footing their bills. Now, that’s unfair, but you don’t hear a Republican using that word, “unfair.” Instead, we use the term FAIR when it comes to the FAIR Tax, a common sense proposal where WE THE PEOPLE are no longer doling out our hard-earned funds to these losers who are not paying their fair share of taxes.
Amen,
Bill

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 25th, 2011
8:22 am

Good morning all. I support the proposition that government does not create a single productive job, but that it has the capacity to destroy any/all productive jobs.

In the particular case cited by our host this morning – “navigable rivers” – an early activist construction of our Federal Constitution proclaimed navigable rivers the exclusive charge of the Federal government, such that it is illegal for any individual or for any state to alter in any way any waterway. (Note that the definition of “navigable” has expanded to include swamps and even wetlands that are dry for nine months of the year.)

So now, when our elected officials complain that the Federal government is doing a poor job maintaining the navigability of the navigable waterways, we are supposed to recognize that the Federal government, in its benevolence, will be creating jobs. Leftist logic.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
8:22 am

“that’s just new speak for more spending of money we don’t have.”

Oh but we DO have the money. The jack-booted thugs will be showing up at your door ANY MINUTE NOW to demand your share. Better have it ready.

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
8:23 am

Southern Comfort @ 8:09

You wrote: Does the government not create jobs when it does it’s “legitimate” roles? Also, if it is a legitimate role for government to provide schools, why are people wanting to take that role, in the form of vouchers, and try to pawn it off on the private sector at cost to the taxpayer?

The short answer is no, the government doesn’t create jobs unless you think taxes are a renewable source of funds that the government can grow the way businesses grow their revenues and profits. Also bear in mind that government has no competition. Other than moving to a new area, I can’t do much to voice my displeasure as a customer the way I can with an airline, restaurant, department store, etc.

I’m a product of public schools and the son and grandson of teachers. Not everybody is happy with public schools these days, however. Many people believe that new ideas and competition are needed to improve education for all.

Lord Help Us

January 25th, 2011
8:27 am

‘I remember Neal Boortz said that he saw an unemployment line with a bunch of losers with fancy cell phones and big screen TVs’

There’s your sign…

larry

January 25th, 2011
8:28 am

I remember Neal Boortz said that he saw an unemployment line with a bunch of losers with fancy cell phones and big screen TVs.

I wonder where this unemployment line is at ? Which county? I’ve been to the unemployment line, never saw one big screen TV. And i think cell phones are a necessity if you are looking for a job and you want to be readily accessible at all times in case an employer calls.

Of course , this is Boortz we are talking about .

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 25th, 2011
8:28 am

Leftists rarely acknowledge the case of John Pozsgai, who went to jail for cleaning up a dump.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
8:29 am

“the government doesn’t create jobs ”

I can only stand in awe at your absurdity. I’m sure all the people working for those contractors doing the government’s work will be MOST interested to learn they don’t have a job. MOST interested.

If they’re NOT jobs, then what ARE they?

Peadawg

January 25th, 2011
8:29 am

“‘I remember Neal Boortz said that he saw an unemployment line with a bunch of losers with fancy cell phones and big screen TVs’”

That’s like the lady I saw at the grocery store the other day buying a bunch of fancy steaks, chicken, etc…and paying with her EBT card. Sick…

JohnnyReb

January 25th, 2011
8:30 am

Doggone – as you know, they showed up on Jan 15th when you paid those estimated taxes.

Mick

January 25th, 2011
8:30 am

There is undoubtedly propaganda on both sides of the debate but this socialist crapola has been firmly implanted creating a blindness on the right. Gov’t DOES create jobs and thats a FACT. That’s why we have a gov’t to collectively pay taxes for defense, infrastructure and oversight of capitalist thuggery.

Lord Help Us

January 25th, 2011
8:31 am

If I work for the Fish Museum in Perry, GA…created by an earmark by one of our ‘conservative’ members of Congress…

Do I have a job created by the gov’t?

stands for decibels

January 25th, 2011
8:32 am

The Army, Navy, Air Force Marines are there to protect us from evildoers.

including all the bits that are totally redundant, ok? We gotta have all four of those branches with all of their own cool logos ‘n sh-t.

Soames

January 25th, 2011
8:32 am

The President will talk about how we need to be competitive in the global economy but he won’t reinforce any of that talk with action. We won’t label China a currency manipulator. We won’t take action against China for illegaly subsidizing their exports. We won’t raise any objection to the Chinese and their ‘protectionist’ policies.

Obama will talk about all sorts of things…….

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patrick-mcfadden/manufacturing-making-thin_b_812997.html

Lord Help Us

January 25th, 2011
8:33 am

‘That’s like the lady I saw at the grocery store the other day buying a bunch of fancy steaks, chicken, etc…and paying with her EBT card. Sick…’

Was she carrying her big screen TV too?

@@

January 25th, 2011
8:34 am

Government says “Give me your money so I can invest it.”

Reminds me of Bernie Madoff.

Peadawg

January 25th, 2011
8:35 am

“Was she carrying her big screen TV too?” – Not that I noticed, no :) .

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
8:35 am

PBfA

So, in essence, when a police force is formed to serve and protect, those are not actual jobs that pay actual money, right? When a teacher goes to work to teach the next generation, they do it on a volunteer basis w/o pay, right?

Contrary to popular opinion, public sector employees pay local, state, and federal taxes just like private sector employees. Believe it or not, as a public sector employee, I’ve often given my labor to taxpayers for free. When we’re required to work substantial amounts of overtime, you should see the amount of taxes that are deducted from my paycheck. I pretty much end up paying my own salary and then some. Maybe, if people treated public sector employees like real people and not aliens out to suck out your eyes and colon, you wouldn’t have to worry about complaining or moving to another area to voice your displeasure. You could just simply talk to the person in charge, just as you would do with a restaurant or store.

As a disclaimer, I’ve been a public sector employee for 6 years now. Before that, I spent 10 years in retail alone. I’ve seen both sides of the field, and there isn’t really much of a difference between the two.

AmVet

January 25th, 2011
8:36 am

Good morning all.

Looks like Sonny’s prayers finally kicked it.

The Kenyan Marxist. Good one, Jay. (And SoCo’s 8:02 as well!)

It is to me, incredible that working class people who are ostensibly educated and are somewhat informed speak in terms like…………………….well, some sort of idiotic, far right wing, radio talking head.

Wonder why that is? (Because apparently none of them listen to that garbage!)

Remember that demented and hateful old hag who told John McCain that BHO was an Arab? (Her brother blogs here under the moniker of Lil’ BB something or other!) And to his great credit McCain adamantly said NO and did his best to reprimand the old fool. But he probably wondered why the Republican Party has become an organization that is just dripping with seniorile delinquents and hateful loons. And with stunning ignorance and bigotry.

It will be interesting to see which dipstick from that organization blurts out something amazingly offensive during or after the speech.

@@

January 25th, 2011
8:39 am

AmVet’s OBSESSING
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.
.
again.

schnirt

stands for decibels

January 25th, 2011
8:41 am

Was she carrying her big screen TV too?

…before or after riding MARTA to steal it?

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
8:41 am

Doggone,

How do you explain Greece? How many of their government created jobs appear to be productive and sustainable?

Governments collect taxes and borrow money. They use those funds to “create” jobs. If you honestly think this method of “creating jobs” is the same as what happens in the private sector then more power to you.

Shawny

January 25th, 2011
8:43 am

Everything in Jay piece is correct, but does not address the issue of spending money we borrow from China. Those chickens are going to come home to roost and it ain’t gonna be pretty.

independent thinker

January 25th, 2011
8:43 am

How many jobs are created by those elderly tea baggers screaming about the defici?t . Aren’t those the same people who get all those billions of dollars for scooters because they are fat and lazy? and the ones who got free Medicare drugs under Bush with no source of funding? How about medicare advantage that gives them free gym membership paid for by working people? Yeah we know who is draining the treasury without creating jobs.
I also love how the right has no problem with excessive defense spending and does not compalin about the government wasting money for the defense industry. We have spent over 700 billion dollars in Iraq. WHERE ARE THE JOBS AND BENEFITS FOR ALL THAT WASTED MONEY???? THEY DO NOT EVEN GIVE US FREE OIL FOR LIBERATING THEIR COUNTRY AND IMPROVING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. I do not see any conservatives or tea baggers being concerned about that.All we got in return was a pair of shoes thrown at old George.

stands for decibels

January 25th, 2011
8:44 am

How do you explain Greece?

let’s see—relatively tiny country, not in control of its own currency, nothing like ours. Anything else?

F Brancher

January 25th, 2011
8:46 am

It’s hard to believe that there will ever be civil discourse in this country when the “complainers” in this comment section can’t even attempt to be civil. This little slice of Americana can’t get it together. Maybe name calling should stop and sane discussions should begin.

Interesting Observation

January 25th, 2011
8:48 am

Those on the right scream, Big government rips us off! Those on the left scream, Big business rips us off! I guess when we vote we decide whom we want to be ripped off by. Have a nice day.

AmVet

January 25th, 2011
8:48 am

Did you see the song I played for him last night, humper?

As you know it was originally dedicated to you. (Don’t hate me.)

Perhaps you two could get a room…(And you get all the other hateful slimeballs, whose arses you kiss, from CTs to watch!)

SoCo, I find it beyond bizarre that jt went off the way he did last night about law enforcement.

Bill Orvis writes, “Everything needs to be privatized except for key functions of a bare bones government.”

This AFTER endless debacles proving otherwise.

Perhaps Bill remembers Argenbright Security?

They were the highly disgraced Atlanta based security company that had criminals in their employ, who allowed many unguarded and unlocked access points and doors around the airport and who allowed people to board aircraft with weapons.

ALL AFTER September 11, 2001.

Oh yeah, and there is that uncomfortable little fact (that thing you GOPhers loathe so much), they were the inept clowns who were working at Washington, NYC and Boston on that fateful day.

Yet more proof that the “free market” always does everything better than the government, right Bill?!

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
8:49 am

Southern Comfort,

Government plays an essential role in the economy. There’s no argument there.

From an employee perspective, perhaps a boss is a boss and a job is a job. From an economics perspective, however, entities that maintain themselves through taxation are not the same as those that have to compete in the marketplace.

jt

January 25th, 2011
8:51 am

Jay is right.

John Steinbeck once had a government “job” counting dogs in the Los Angeles area. He had to record their gender if possible.

No lie.

If it wasn’t for Government, there would be no Atlanta NOR Los Angeles.
Thank you Washington.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
8:53 am

“If you honestly think this method of “creating jobs” is the same as what happens in the private sector then more power to you”

Do you REALLY think that jobs are NEVER lost in the private sector? Really?

Normal

January 25th, 2011
8:54 am

F Brancher

Maybe name calling should stop and sane discussions should begin.

Sane discussions? Here? Most, sadly including me, wouldn’t know how.

But you are right about one thing: America can’t get it together, nobody wants to work together. Nobody wants to give a little the help out…and that’s why China is winning.

jt

January 25th, 2011
8:55 am

AmVet

“SoCo, I find it beyond bizarre that jt went off the way he did last night about law enforcement.”

I find it bizarre when someone glorifies violence. Especially violence against their own citizens.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
8:57 am

AmV

I’ll have to go back and check out what he said. He comes off sometimes as one of those anarchists who throw molotov coc*tails for a living. Other times, he comes off as just juvenile. I tend to look over his posts for the most part, unless it’s something that’s just downright wrong.

PBfA

I tend to see the two as a symbiosis. Public sector creates opportunities for the private sector to create technology and jobs. For example, without the Air Force, we wouldn’t have Lockheed in Marietta. Without TSA, there wouldn’t be a push for explosive scanning technology. The problem is that the jobs being created by the needs of the public sector have been created outside our country’s borders. The symbiosis is thrown off when the jobs are not created from within.

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
8:58 am

Stands for Decibels, @ 8:44 you wrote:

How do you explain Greece?

let’s see—relatively tiny country, not in control of its own currency, nothing like ours. Anything else?

Where to start? Do you honestly think size and control of currency are the reasons Greece is a basket case? Ditto California, Illinois and New York?

Life calls. Good day to you!

stands for decibels

January 25th, 2011
9:01 am

John Steinbeck once had a government “job” counting dogs

[…]

the lady I saw at the grocery store the other day

[…]

the case of John Pozsgai

[…]

a bunch of losers with fancy cell phones

See, I could read this and proclaim that online conservatives are wont to lean heavily on fragmented bits of anecdotal evidence, real or imagined, to present their cases.

But it’s not useful data I’ve collected here. It’s a collection of amusing bits. Nothing more.

and with that little lesson in critical thinking (and netiquette), I bid a-scooby-doo.

Adam

January 25th, 2011
9:02 am

All I have to say at this point Jay is well said. The sarcasm is well placed and gets to the point. I also notice detractors already coming up with ways to refute your arguments that don’t make any sense. Again. I admire how you’ve been at this long enough that only the knee-jerk-deniers would still deny you’re telling grains of truth here.

TaxPayer

January 25th, 2011
9:02 am

Jay’s frustration level must be building to bubble-like dimensions. He is trying to connect with Republicans by throwing their own inconsistencies right back in their faces in the most forthright manner with the hope that his effort will spark the ever so slightest glimmer of light in one of those from the massively brainwashed, FOX blues crowd and the most encouraging phrase from the lot of them is “so what.” Darkness prevails, Jay.

AmVet

January 25th, 2011
9:03 am

jt, glorify violence??? You don’t strike me (get it?) as some sort of flower-festooned hippy. But wowsers, speak of being a master of misrepresentation!

As I said last night, you better pray to whatever deities you believe in, that you don’t need those guys to save you and your property from those with deadly intents. And the question still remains, will you continue to talk sh*t about them once they do?

You’re in a hole, brother, but keep on digging.

Wow! Nearly eight decades after the 21st Amendment to the United States Constitution, Georgia’s mini-prohibition is in danger!

Pray for alcohol-free rain’s reign is over!

The end of Gov. Sonny Perdue’s tenure has worked wonders for the confidence of backers of Sunday alcohol sales.

The first step came Monday in the state Senate, where legislation was filed to allow local governments to ask voters if they want Sunday beer, wine and liquor sales at stores. A similar House bill is expected to follow later this week.

“Perhaps it has a greater chance of passing this year than ever before,” said Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers, R-Woodstock, a co-sponsor of Senate Bill 10.

However, if the legislation passes, a fight is likely on the local level. It would be up to counties and municipalities to decide if and when to hold the vote.

Which is fine, because I live in a county that is pretty unique in Georgia – we live in the 21st century and not the mid 20th!

Until then, the crybabies in the Georgia Christian Coalition will still have to buy their cases of Keystone Light on Saturday…

independent thinker

January 25th, 2011
9:06 am

For all you folks who are concerned about wasteful government spending here are some statisics:

U.S. SPENDING IN IRAQ

Spent & Approved War-Spending – About $900 billion of US taxpayers’ funds spent or approved for spending through November 2010.

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq – $9 billion of US taxpayers’ money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors. Also, per ABC News2, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.

Missing – $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 20073.)

Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq – $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings

Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported – $1.4 billion (Dick Cheney’s company)

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items – $20 billion

Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem “questionable or supportable” – $3.2 billion

U.S. 2009 Monthly Spending in Iraq – $7.3 billion as of Oct 2009

U.S. 2008 Monthly Spending in Iraq – $12 billion

Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq – $390,000 (Congressional Research Service)
AMOUNT REPAID BY IRAQ $0000000
and if it was not for that Kenyan Marxist we would still be spending a lot more.
(P.S. I did not vote for him)

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
9:08 am

And the question still remains, will you continue to talk sh*t about them once they do?

AmV, I’ll answer that one for you… Yes. I don’t think jt would change his outlook one bit. He’s entitled to his beliefs and has the freedom to share them. I’ll even do my best to protect those rights. If he were in trouble, I’d even risk my life to defend his. It goes with the job. I didn’t specify who I would protect and defend when I was sworn in. I said I would defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic.

Poor Boy from Alabama

January 25th, 2011
9:09 am

Southern Comfort,

Agreed. Government helps foster the conditions that allows commerce to take place and sustainable jobs to be created.

Life calls. Good day to you!

jm

January 25th, 2011
9:09 am

A. I feel like this debate has been rehashed so many times, I’m out.
B. The APS fiasco is just so depressing….. the APS BOE needs to be disbanded and put under the mayor.

@@

January 25th, 2011
9:11 am

AmVet:

I don’t hit your music links. Too many of ‘em. I’m of the opinion that you’ve diminished the value of jay’s FMN or FNM…whatever it is you guys call it. Overkill is what you do.

I rarely read anything other than Cynthia’s column. When Mrs. (Granny) Godzilla took her little jaycation, I told her that any thoughts of her would be banished from my mind and that CT’s was her exclusive territory. When I see her name here, I scroll by.

It’s easy. You should give it a try.

Bosch

January 25th, 2011
9:11 am

Peadawg,

You are one of the most judgmental people I have ever seen based on nothing but your own prejudices. Aren’t you like real religiousy too? Is your branch of Christianity to judge others — silly me, I thought that was like God’s job.

How do you know that lady didn’t buy those steaks on sale? Or if you were SOOOO damn peturbed about it, why didn’t you ask her why she was buying such fancy steaks with your money, because obviously according to you she didn’t deserve it.

poison pen

January 25th, 2011
9:12 am

Doggone & Jay, Al Gore did create the Internet, he told us so. He also told us about the doomsday that would happen in less than 100 years with global warming, I believe it, I believe it, repeat after me, I believe it.

zeke

January 25th, 2011
9:12 am

Why bother with the speech tonight? IT WILL ALL BE ABOUT A SOCIALIST LIBERAL AGENDA AND WILL BE NO MORE THAN LIES TO THE VOTING CITIZENS!!!

cosby smith

January 25th, 2011
9:13 am

Government picks the winners and loosers..but wait..look at Texas and a billion dollar stadium and now Texas is broke…but the non profit NFL is riding high…If government would get out of the way, the market would opick the winners and loosers…jobs by the government…bridges to no where, case wrokers for the moocher class, baby sitting service commonly called the government School System and congress..need anyone say more!!

Rightwing Troll

January 25th, 2011
9:13 am

“AmVet’s OBSESSING
.
.
.
again.

schnirt”

He’s not the only one… double schnirt…

TaxPayer

January 25th, 2011
9:15 am

I didn’t specify who I would protect and defend when I was sworn in. I said I would defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic

They’re all around you. Just ask any old Republican. There’s the ones that want to take your guns and there’s the ones that want to abort your children and there’s the ones that will not let you sing from the hymnal in each and every school room and there’s them that believe in what scientists say over what they say and… there’s just so many of them enemies. There might even be one sittin’ your chair right now. They have body snatching capabilities too, dontcha know.

Gordon

January 25th, 2011
9:15 am

What is meant by the phrase “government doesn’t create jobs” is really “government doesn’t create wealth.” Government gets its money from people, corporations, and other nations who pay taxes and tariffs. That money ultimately comes from the people who earned it. Government didn’t create the wealth, it just transferred it. There is nothing wrong with that. The debate comes on how much should be transferred and where it should be transferred.

Mr. Snarky

January 25th, 2011
9:15 am

Love the sarcasm Jay!

Ask any economist, there is clearly a role for government in our society to address externalities and other inefficiencies of the marketplace. The government is just like any enterprise, it can create jobs and can waste money. Demonization of government is a conservative trick as the conservative “thought leaders” are mostly tools for the big corporate interests that own them. These corporate interests want to privatize everything so they can make profits on everything, whether it makes sense to priviatize or not.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
9:16 am

PBfA

Good day to you too. Hopefully, you’re not one of those darned War Eagle Chicken Alabamians. :)

Roll Tide

Bud Wiser

January 25th, 2011
9:17 am

Is Owl Gore a government scientist? Maybe he is, after all, no one would be aware of global warming without him, or the internet.

You and your kindred are becoming ancient and an endangered species, Bookman; Olbermann, Gibbs, MSNBC, etc., you are going the way of the dinosaurs.

Have a nice trip.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
9:17 am

“Al Gore did create the Internet, he told us so.”

No, he didn’t. He said he took the initiative in HELPING TO CREATE the internet. And “create” is not the same as “invent”

If you use bread, meat and butter to make a sandwich you can reasonably and accurately say you CREATED a sandwich. You can’t say you invented the sandwich.

jm

January 25th, 2011
9:18 am

Mr. Snarky – the US government has proven itself exceptionally efficient at wasting money and inefficiency…. in principle you’re correct, recent history (the last 40 years) suggests you’re wrong.

Doggone/GA

January 25th, 2011
9:19 am

“What is meant by the phrase “government doesn’t create jobs” is really “government doesn’t create wealth.” ”

Lockheed might be prepared to argue that claim. So might Haliburton.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
9:19 am

There might even be one sittin’ your chair right now. They have body snatching capabilities too, dontcha know.

:shock:

I doubt they’d snatch my body though. How many people have you met that are just itchin’ to live as a Black man in the United States?
:lol:

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
9:22 am

Gordon

Prior to merging the US Customs Service and the INS to form CBP, the Customs Service was one of the few government agencies that ran a profit for the government, meaning they took in more money than they spent. However, with the flourishment of free trade agreements, our elected politicians turned off a viable source of government funding to appease their corporate funders.

TaxPayer

January 25th, 2011
9:23 am

I doubt they’d snatch my body though. How many people have you met that are just itchin’ to live as a Black man in the United States?

I don’t know about the whole black ones but apparently there’s a whole lot of them going after a half black’s job. I still don’t know how they reconcile their thoughts once they throw in the half white side. Reminds me of an old Star Trek episode. :smile:

Mr. Snarky

January 25th, 2011
9:26 am

jm – I’m sure that private enterprise has wasted much more money during that time…but nobody really keeps track of that or makes money preaching that private enterprise is a wasteful thing that should be destroyed. Govt and private enterprise are both human endeavors and therefore can be efficient or inefficient depending on how it is organized.

extremerightwing

January 25th, 2011
9:26 am

Jay, the problem with your example is that government is soley dependent upon the taxpayer to finance anything it does. When those resources dry up like we are currently experiencing, government can’t/won’t make the adjustment like a privately held company.

Plus, the jobs you mentioned, building airports, sewers, etc are temporary jobs. In addition government is very inefficient at what it does…can we say the Big Dig in the People’s Republic of Mass?? Are they through with that yet?

These jobs are usually geared to reward unions as well. Remember the argument over TSA and whether they should be allowed to unionize?

Real sustainable jobs are created in the private sector. That market will tell you what is working and what is not working…kinda like the subscription base to the majority of mainstream newspapers. Government only tells you it’s working…not that it’s working efficiently or not.

If government limited it’s “job creation” to things like building roads, bridges, etc I might be inclined to go along with that as we need those things. But Obama’s so-called stimulus was more of a reward for his union allies…it wasn’t aimed at creating jobs. And let’s not talk about saving jobs. What a scam that is!

Matti

January 25th, 2011
9:26 am

Mr. Bookman,

Good piece! The sarcastic tone is entirely appropriate. I am tempted to memorize this word for word and spit it out the next time I’m in a room full of angry pekoe heads praising the Holy Free Market and blaming Obama for the tanked economy.

jt

January 25th, 2011
9:27 am

SoCo——-

“I’ll even do my best to protect those rights. If he were in trouble, I’d even risk my life to defend his. It goes with the job.”

If a buddy of mine threw a bong at me,
would you jump on it?

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
9:27 am

LOL @ TaxPayer!!!!

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 25th, 2011
9:28 am

If a buddy of mine threw a bong at me,
would you jump on it?

Nope. I’d use my baton to bust it up before it hit either one of us.