On health-care reform, GOP has an unmet obligation to get beyond ‘NO!’

This week, House Republicans will take the symbolic step of voting to repeal the health-insurance reform act signed into law by President Obama last year. The vote won’t mean anything, given that the Senate will refuse to go along and that President Obama holds a veto. But it will at least allow GOP House members to claim they took action.

What we don’t know, however, is how the Republicans propose to address health care reform themselves. Their slogan during the campaign was “repeal and replace,” but replace with what? They offer no plan, no approach, no solution of their own. And it’s rather odd, if you think about it. Sure, they only took power in the House a few days ago. But we’ve been debating health-care reform for at least two decades if not longer. During last year’s bitter fight over health care, Republican leaders were constantly in front of the TV cameras, complaining that Obama and the Democrats were refusing to listen to all their great ideas.

Well, now that Republicans control the House, they can propose and vote on all those great ideas.

And those ideas would be … ?

Hello? Those ideas would be …?

For example, what’s the GOP plan to cover those with pre-existing conditions who can’t get insurance? (A new administration study estimates that one fifth of American non-elderly adults have a pre-existing condition that might bar them from getting coverage, and as many as one half have conditions that would require them to pay higher rates for coverage.)

In addition, what do we do about the estimated 50 million Americans — an increase of four million — who went without any kind of health insurance in 2009? According to new numbers released last month by the Kaiser Foundation, more than 22 percent of nonelderly adults and more than 10 percent of the nation’s children had no coverage last year. Workplace-provided health insurance is becoming less and less common, and as the report notes, “The number of Americans lacking medical coverage now exceeds the population of Spain.”

Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions is one of the more important and politically popular achievements of the Obama health-insurance reform. People love the outcome, but many are admittedly less than pleased with the means used to achieve it, which is a mandate that individuals must get health insurance or pay a fine or tax.

Here’s the crux of the problem: A requirement that insurance companies have to cover you, no matter how sick or injured you are, creates a massive incentive to game the system. Healthy people will refuse to buy insurance, knowing that if they do happen to get sick, they can always walk into an insurance office and get coverage. Conversely, sick people will naturally rush to buy coverage, throwing off the balance between healthy and sick needed to make insurance financially feasible.

A new study by Anthony LoSasso, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, documents the danger. LoSasso took a look at what happens in states that prohibit insurance companies from pricing health insurance based on an individual’s health history. Instead, they are required to use a “community rating,” in which healthy and sick people pay the same rate. It’s a much milder version of ObamaCare intended to make insurance more affordable for those with health challenges.

The chart below illustrates what happens. Sicker people buy more insurance, while healthier people flee, which in turn drives up the cost of insurance and makes the situation even worse.

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That’s why ObamaCare includes an individual mandate to buy insurance. It’s the only way — short of a single-provider system — that can address the existing-condition problem without creating an even larger “free-rider” problem in the process.

As I’ve documented before, Republican leaders understand how popular and even necessary it is to find a way to cover those with pre-existing conditions. They have promised to retain that part of ObamaCare, but they have never explained how they intend to do so without relying on some form of individual mandate.

The time has come for answers.

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Scout

January 18th, 2011
11:50 am

Jay:

One problem.

That’s not what the last election of Representatives said.

Say NO ! to government control of our healthcare !

By the way, Well ………. I see President OBOWBAMA has done it again with the Chinese dictator !

“BOW” BOW BOW ! How demeaning to the office.

and ……………… how did we let that Chinese stealth fighter slip up on us ?

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
11:53 am

“Say NO ! to government control of our healthcare !”

Then they can rest easy. The Healthcare bill that was passed has NO FORM of government control of our healthcare. See how easy that was?

Scout

January 18th, 2011
11:53 am

Jay:

What about “pre-existing conditions” for …………………

Automobile insurance?
House insurance?
Life insurance?
“You Name It” insurance?

Mick

January 18th, 2011
11:53 am

**how did we let that Chinese stealth fighter slip up on us ?**

Might want to ask the previous president about that…

Scout

January 18th, 2011
11:54 am

Doggone/GA:

Are you on Mars again?

P.S. How did you like BOWBAMA’S recent bow ?

Scout

January 18th, 2011
11:55 am

Mick:

………………. and this one.

Kamchak

January 18th, 2011
11:56 am

DEATH PANELS!

Just thought I’d get that out of the way early on.

The Bible Tells me SO What.

January 18th, 2011
11:59 am

Does Scout have taxpayer-paid insurance. Medicare. Medicaid. Perhaps it needs to be cancelled so Scout can go out to the free market and buy his own policy. He might have a better appreciation for the situation if he had to put himself in other’s shoes.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 18th, 2011
12:00 pm

Say NO ! to government control of our healthcare !

If that were indeed the case, then they would have had a legitimate issue. However, mandating someone buy insurance from a PRIVATE company is not government-run health care. It’s still run by private companies.

The GOP has painted themselves into a corner with this one. The only way to assure affordable coverage for the previously uninsurable is to make the pool as wide as possible. The individual mandate was one way of doing it. Since some think it’s unconstitutional, the only way around that is by instituting the public option. If there’s a 3rd way, then someone better find it quickly or else the GOP will be stuck holding a hot potato in their hand.

btw… Scout, I always thought it was customary for Asians to greet each other with a respectful bow. I guess you prefer a disrespectful leader.

Jimmy62

January 18th, 2011
12:00 pm

Many of those people choose not to have insurance. I know choice and freedom are evil things to you, but to many Americans freedom is a very important concept.

Mick

January 18th, 2011
12:00 pm

scout

Funny, this paranoia is plainly silly. Is it not an asian custom to bow as you greet? If it was healthcare that undid the dems, then it just might do the same to the repubs.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:04 pm

Repeal of “Obamacare” is just more grandstanding by the GOP in order to say in 2012, “Well, we tried but the mean ol’ Liberal’s wouldn’t let us”. The House might repeal because they have the votes, but I doubt it will. I haven’t seen a republican lately that is willing to be put on paper as for or against anything. Especiall now as there has been more and more acceptance of the Bill.
Anyway, it will never get out of the Senate and there is nowhere near enough votes to overturn a veto, if necessary..
…so, like I said, it’s just posturing for 2012, nothing more.

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:06 pm

Nononononononononono!

No!

Thought I would get that out of the way….

One Nation Under educated

January 18th, 2011
12:07 pm

My family’s health care is better this year, and I’m not paying any more for it. In the Universe I live in, that’s better. In some alternate universe of greater wingnuttia, I’m sure that’s somehow bad. That’s why people laugh at you, wingnuts (if you were wondering). Your positions have the consistency of my 1-year olds baby poop.

Mick

January 18th, 2011
12:07 pm

larry

January 18th, 2011
12:07 pm

Wasnt it like BOWBUSHES ?

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2011
12:08 pm

Jay, (and I see I’m more or less reiterating what SoCo posted @ noon), the political pragmatist in me would just as soon the GOP not bother to offer any serious alternatives. I’ve always thought that as we got closer to the deadline for mandating coverage for all, we’d have another shot at either a strong public option and/or a buy-in for Medicare going down to age 50. If the GOP draws enough attention to this one rather unpopular aspect of HCR, the way I see it, that improves the chance of truly fixing it.

(and by the way, a lot of people don’t think the reform went far enough. Something a lot of GOPers seem to completely ignore…)

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:10 pm

You are really embarrassed by a bow? If someone comes to visit us here, I expect them to follow our custom and shake hands.

If we visit Japan, I would expect to take my shoes off when I went into a Japanese person’s house.

How did you feel when W was holding that Saudi dude’s hand during a walk in the gardens a few years back? Did that just make you puke all over your

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:12 pm

One thing I will add though. My wife goes on medicare next month. I dropped her from my health care policy starting then. Her premium comes out of her Social Security check and it is still one third less than what I paid for her. I will have gained over 300.00 a month in my check and she will lose less that 200.00 in her’s. We win by a C note. Gotta love Socialism… :)

Dave R.

January 18th, 2011
12:13 pm

“The Healthcare bill that was passed has NO FORM of government control of our healthcare.”

Yeah, those pesky mandates to cover 26 year-olds and mandated coverage (yet to be determined if Constitutional) aren’t REALLY controls by the government, are they?

Right.

Tell it to your dogs. They believe just about anything we tell them.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:14 pm

larry

January 18th, 2011
12:07 pm

…or kiss full on the lips, GW…

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:14 pm

“OMG, my copay will go up $5 a visit just so some poor; little, non-tax paying baby can get health coverage? I am sooooo offended. Whoa is me. That so offends my christian morals!!!!!!”

Ahhhhhhh.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:14 pm

“You are really embarrassed by a bow? ”

yes … but I’m sure he was just fine with Bush holding hands with the Saudis

:roll:

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:14 pm

“Yeah, those pesky mandates to cover 26 year-olds and mandated coverage (yet to be determined if Constitutional) aren’t REALLY controls by the government, are they?”

ummmm…those are mandates for INSURANCE, not for the actual healthcare system.

USMC dawg

January 18th, 2011
12:15 pm

Sometimes adults have to say NO.

It is really easy to say let’s just give “free” healthcare to everyone. But responsible adults know that this Obamacare is a recipe for disaster and adds a tremendous amount of debt to our country.

Our debt is now $14,000,000,000,000. When is enough, ENOUGH?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110115/ap_on_re_us/us_debt_wars

Dave R.

January 18th, 2011
12:16 pm

Oh, and Jay?

Repeal AND replace is the strategy, in case you missed it.

I think the GOP can find a few things in the 17 different bills they had tied up in Democrat-controlled committees last session to do something more than “No”.

Pay attention, please.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:16 pm

Doggone – and I’ll bet these are the same people wailing and gnashing their teeth when insurance policies were required to cover Viagra 10 or so years ago …

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:16 pm

“It is really easy to say let’s just give “free” healthcare to everyone”

Yep, it’s easy to SAY…but since no one HAS said that – or least there’s nothing like that in the healthcare bill…what’s you point?

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:17 pm

Our debt is now $14,000,000,000,000. When is enough, ENOUGH?

The exact same question USMC Dawg raised after his Preznit started two wars with no plans on paying for them. And, on top of that, handed out tax refunds cause he found his predecessor left an evil little surplus.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:17 pm

When is enough, ENOUGH?

well, I can’t answer for anyone else, but, for myself, enough is enough when 50% of all bankruptcies are due to medical health costs.

that tells me there’s a problem. a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:17 pm

USMC dawg,
and yet every politico agrees that to do away with “Obamacare” will add 238 billion to the national debt. If I’m going broke, I’d rather do it helping people…

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:18 pm

I just LOVE that some are against so many things that ARE NOT in the healthcare bill!

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:18 pm

Finn McCool:

A couple of points ………………….

1) Find me some photos of any of our other presidents bowing to a foreign head of state and they will get the same criticism from me.
2) Taking off shoes, holding hands (the Vietnamese did that too), not picking your nose are all customs ………. no problem. Bowing of an American Head of State to another Head of State is inapprioate.

By the way, if you expect a Muslim Head of State to come here and observe our customs (i.e., champagne toast at a state dinner) you can forget it.

Matti

January 18th, 2011
12:18 pm

I think their answer is the same as their answer to everything: a completely unregulated “free market.” (Excepting of course, where they enact legislation to protect their sponsor industries and corporations from taking responsibility for their own actions, torts, and failures.)

When they make that happen, then there will suddenly be no more “death panels” at Kaiser Permanente that kick sick people off their coverage and deny claims, or strong-arm tactics from Blue Cross that muscle out competion in states like Georgia to keep premiums artificially high for those who can actually get coverage. Companies will — as if by magic, for the first time EVER — sprout the integrity to start policing themselves, just to prove the evil marxist socialist libs wrong.

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:19 pm

“If I’m going broke, I’d rather do it helping people”

And healthcare bill or no healthcare bill…we are STILL going to have to pay for them, one way or another.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:19 pm

Doggone – if ONLY they had time to read the bill!!!

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:20 pm

a champagne toast is a custom?

so, in other words, we force everyone to do it? even those who don’t drink? like Baptists?

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

USinUK – yeah, that too! I’ve said it before, and I still say it…if the healthcare industry, and in particular the insurance industry, didn’t want this bill they could have killed it FLAT by simply framing their insurance pools to be big enough to cover EVERYONE. End of debate, end of bill. They didn’t bother, so they got what they deserved.

Jefferson

January 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

Dude, you because you belive it don’t make it true. Health care reform is needed and wanted by plenty of people. The elections had little to do with the healthcare bill and more to do with the lies by the GOP.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

It’s one thing to say there are 17 bills tied up in Democratic controlled committee’s, and another in that no one has said what is in those bills. If you are going to replace “Obamacare”, at least do me the favor of telling me what with…

Dave R.

January 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

“those are mandates for INSURANCE, not for the actual healthcare system.”

Which is government control of a private industry that covers health care, Doggone. Stop being so dense.

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

Can’t take the bowing?

What do you folks do when your Speaker of the Sauce starts welling up as he is daily wont to do? Turn the channel? Switch over to Pawn Stars?

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:22 pm

“Which is government control of a private industry that covers health care, Doggone.”

That COVERS healthcare, not the PROVIDES IT. You’re just agreeing with what I said.

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:22 pm

The Bible Tells me SO What. :

Does it bother you if a federal air traffic controller is paid by your taxes including partial payment of health (and life) insurance?

This is often done in private industry especially where unions are involved.

If you don’t like it ………. tell your representative just like I tell mine to “repeal Obamacare” !

Jefferson

January 18th, 2011
12:23 pm

Fact is, health care reform is here to stay.

larry

January 18th, 2011
12:23 pm

So i guess kissing a Saudi prnice and holding his hand is apprioate.

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 18th, 2011
12:23 pm

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:23 pm

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

“Fact is, health care reform is here to stay.”

I agree with your sentiment, but the FACT is this is not healthcare reform. It is insurance reform.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

Scout,
you are implying that we are better than the rest of the world and that is just not so…and it doesn’t make a lot of friends. A friend in need is a friend indeed.

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

“So i guess kissing a Saudi prnice and holding his hand is apprioate”

IOKIYAR

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

USinUK:

They all raise a glass of champagne or water or whatever except …………………. Muckbar

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:25 pm

Jefferson is correct. HC reform is here to stay. The faster you can accept that fact and learn to cope, the faster you will move ahead.

The companies that learn to cope with the changes and still make a profit are going to be the winners down the road. If you work for one of the companies that can’t cope and adjust then you need to start looking for a new job now.

Jefferson

January 18th, 2011
12:25 pm

Its a start and needed. Just like the bone heads that think they can do without SS & Medicare, thet can’t and they will pay like it or not.

Keep up the good fight!

January 18th, 2011
12:26 pm

I should not be but I remain amazed at the audacity of the claims of “this is what the last election said” when it supports the issue that they want (and the ability to ignore elections that do not “say” what the proponent wants), despite the fact that there were numerous elections and diverse results including the reelection of Harry Reid. But a few are able to “devine” the meaning in much the same way as they devine so many other things. It was not a single issue election.

Pure political puppetry theater. But it will cost the Republicans this time.

Bevis

January 18th, 2011
12:26 pm

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:26 pm

UsinUk:

Do you want to debate or play scrabble?

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:26 pm

Normal – 12:24 – of COURSE we’re the best!

ddn’t you see the 1980 US vs. USSR hockey game?

Mary Elizabeth

January 18th, 2011
12:27 pm

Just a couple of quick thoughts:

- The latest poll that I saw on MSNBC last evening put the American population at 40% for the new Healthcare Law and 41% against it. That is quite an increase in the number of citizens for the new Heathcare Law, over the previous weeks and months. I believe only 19% of Independents were against the new law.

- The new Healthcare Law mandates that 80% of the money put into healthcare go toward patient care, and not to insurance corporate profits.

- More people, who are nearing retirement age, will be able – under the new Healthcare Law – to leave jobs that they have been unhappy with, in order to retire early because they can secure health insurance outside of their job situations. I believe this situation is how Republicans have come up with the phrase “job killing healthcare plan.” But, these people, who will be leaving their jobs, are doing so by choice, and would be retiring from the work force, anyway.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:27 pm

Scout – considering your point is moot (see above Eisenhower bowing), I suggest you pick Scrabble.

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:27 pm

USinUK:

Yep, Eisenhower too and ESPECIALLY to the French !

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:27 pm

USinUK,
I don’t think that one counts. DeGaulle was such a pompous a$$, he would have had Ike beheaded

Matti

January 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

Which is government control of a private industry that covers health care, Doggone. Stop being so dense.

Actually, private industry controls our government, via ownership of our elections and legislatures. Half-azzed regulations protect them more than they protect the average citizen just trying to make it through the month. But please continue being dense enough to believe that “private industry” somehow gives a rat’s fuzzy if you can get chemo for your child without losing everything you worked and saved for your whole life.

Citizen of the World

January 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

They got nuttin’. And at least this is something.

And if they were honest, they’d admit that the health care reform bill contained a number of compromises and even ideas that they themselves embraced at one point, before the point became simply to oppose President Obama at every turn.

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

Enter your comments here

Finn McCool

January 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

All I know is that my christian morals are being shredded by these Democrats wanting to give health care coverage to poor under-privileged babies.

Next they will be turning the other cheek!

Oh my….did I just faint?

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:26 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

Bowing or ? Which is better

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

Normal @ 12:24

Him seeing the world that way doesn’t make it real and/or the truth. Just let it go. People will see, hear and/or believe whatever they choose to. As md would say, he’s the one making the choice.

USinner @ 12:23

Beat ya!!!!!

DebbieDoRight

January 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

Scout: Does it bother you if a federal air traffic controller Senator/Congressman is paid by your taxes including partial payment of health (and life) insurance?

There!! Fixed it for you. Don’t thank me!! :wink:

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

Scout must not like the French because they are mostly Catholic and therefore nor Christian… :D

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

here’s a little Nixon for you, just so you don’t think Eisenhower is a one-off

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911160014

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:31 pm

Normal:

Better? Not as individual human beings but in just about any other area I can think of:

Form of government
Standard of Living
The List is endless !

Diplomacy is very important and signals are sent many ways (who you send to a state funeral, what a foreign head of state is invited to, etc.)

Bowing to a another head of state (especially here) is inappropriate.

I doubt if any of the founding fathers would have bowed to the King of England had he come to America.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 18th, 2011
12:32 pm

Finn McCool (Yes, Reps won, they now control a whopping 1/2 of 1/3 of the legislative body.) (Golf Clap.)

January 18th, 2011
12:32 pm

I think I need to change my name so I don’t have to repeat this every day.

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:33 pm

USinUK:

“Read my lips” …………. still inappropriate.

Mick

January 18th, 2011
12:33 pm

Let’s break it down; bowing as a custom does not cause any ill will, it shows respect for one’s culture, and is over in a blink of the eye. Scout, I bow to your constant fixation with this foreign custom.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:34 pm

oh, and here’s Nixon with Mao, fercryingoutloud …

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/43618

(look for Mike Long’s post halfway down the page)

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:34 pm

Common Sense:

So what’s your point?

DebbieDoRight

January 18th, 2011
12:34 pm

“So i guess kissing a Saudi prnice and holding his hand is apprioate”

Only if you’re dating…….

Southern Comfort (B.P.O.I.B.W.)

January 18th, 2011
12:35 pm

USinner

That’s the photo I posted at 12:23. :)

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:35 pm

No Scout…that’s still inapproiate to you. Most see it as deplomacy

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:35 pm

USinUK:

Inappropriate ………. knock it off all future presidents ……….. please !

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:36 pm

Scout – your point seemed to indicate that obama was the first / only

“Find me some photos of any of our other presidents bowing to a foreign head of state and they will get the same criticism from me.”

Obama isn’t the first. He isn’t the only. He is one of a long line – including Republicans – who realize that we are NOT the masters of the universe and that we need to show the respect to other countries that we expect from them.

I believe someone you claim to follow summed it up thusly: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:36 pm

SoCo – showoff :-P

Finn McCool (Yes, Reps won, they now control a whopping 1/2 of 1/3 of the legislative body.) (Golf Clap.)

January 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

I think heads of state should do butt bumps…in the air.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

DebbieDoRight

January 18th, 2011
12:34 pm

If you looked closely you could tell it tooks GW’s breath away too…

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

Normal:

I don’t think the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs bows to his foreign counterpart.
They might salute each other ………. as equals ……… so be it.

The president is also the Commander in Chief. No bowing please !

USinUK

January 18th, 2011
12:38 pm

I’d like to see bare belly bumps … oh, yeah!

Bevis

January 18th, 2011
12:38 pm

The photo of Bush kissing the Saudi Prince on the mouth did not include his reach around.

DebbieDoRight

January 18th, 2011
12:38 pm

From some of these comments it seems that a lot of the “NO WAYS!!!” on the blog have never been in a hospital for any extended stay, received the bill and found out later that their HMO/PMO decided to only pay 1/15th of the total cost, (they found out that, back in 3rd grade, you were in the hospital to get your tonsils out–pre-existing condition). Nor have they never had to go bankrupt because of prolonged sickness, (cancer, etc.) — let’s hope they don’t get there wish about the repeal of healthcare, because if they actually DO get their wish and two months later fall terminally ill — well, you can fill in the rest.

Finn McCool (Yes, Reps won, they now control a whopping 1/2 of 1/3 of the legislative body.) (Golf Clap.)

January 18th, 2011
12:38 pm

If you read GW’s lips you can clearly see he is saying “Don’t make me spank you later!”

Road Scholar

January 18th, 2011
12:39 pm

Dave R: “I think the GOP can find a few things in the 17 different bills they had tied up in Democrat-controlled committees last session to do something more than “No”.”

First, I don’t think you can “think” based on what exactly did the repubs do in the previous years when they controlled both houses and the presidency? Many of the items included in the bill were planks that Repubs had suggested in the past. But what did they DO? (You can disregard the two wars they got us into, if that helps!)

DebbieDoRight

January 18th, 2011
12:39 pm

Hey Normal!!

If you looked closely you could tell it tooks GW’s breath away too

yeah, It was love at first sight……

Scout

January 18th, 2011
12:40 pm

USinUK:

” Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

No problem …………. as equal Heads of State.

By the way, the owner of those words above bows to no one !

“And every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”

Thank you for reminding me of that.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:40 pm

This is what you get when you aren’t allowed to spank your kids in public anymore! :lol:

Finn McCool (Yes, Reps won, they now control a whopping 1/2 of 1/3 of the legislative body.) (Golf Clap.)

January 18th, 2011
12:40 pm

There is a rumor that GW and the Prince had their respective secret service details get nekid for some Roman wraslin’ that very evening.

Dusty

January 18th, 2011
12:40 pm

Well the weak minded here have already gone from Healthcare to BUSH DID IT. I hope the grown ups will take over soon. Repetition gets so tiresome.

Normal

January 18th, 2011
12:41 pm

No problem …………. as equal Heads of State.

As equal head’s of State you follow their customs…bow partner… :)

DebbieDoRight

January 18th, 2011
12:42 pm

In Chinese culture you BOW to the person as a sign of greeting (like how we shake hands); dude I know you’ve seen those Bruce Lee movies, you know the deal……….